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Mr. B1ack

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Jul 7, 2016, 9:48:26 PM7/7/16
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On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 14:02:30 -0700 (PDT), competeti...@gmail.com
wrote:

>On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 4:43:10 PM UTC-4, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>
>> Watch: Shocking live video of black man shot dead in
>> Minneapolis goes viral (Graphic Content)
>
>They shot him for having a tail light out. This is reasonable.
>There is no excuse for driving around with burned out lights.
>Now if they'd start shooting people who fail to use a turn signal.
>And if you litter, they should shoot the whole family.

Cops get carried away sometimes and must be
held responsible. The counterbalance is that it's
incredibly dangerous to be a cop and people ARE
out to kill you, sometimes over the slightest thing,
sometimes just because you are a cop. Twitchy
reflexes can result, threat potential seems greater
than it may actually be.

Unfortunately the problem with these 'documentary
videos' is that you never see the whole picture of
what went down - typically just the extreme tail end.
Words and actions and attitudes that lead up to
police shootings, set the train of events on a
particular course, are almost always omitted. This
is almost always because nobody knew something
was going down until the last second ... occasionally
though there seems to be deliberate omissions/edits
with a political or financial motive involved.

We have a video of a guy in Lousiana ... two cops
are holding him down yet he's still squirming. Then
one of the cops blasts him. The ANGLE of the
camera doesn't allow us to see if the guy was
reaching for (or had reached) the gun in his pocket.
Ergo it looks like the cops just executed for nothing.

This other case ... the guy said something about having
a carry permit or having a gun and then reached into
his pocket. The cop heard "gun" and saw the guy
reaching. In two seconds that cop could have been
dead - or not. So what's he supposed to do ? There's
no clear "ideal" course of action in such a case. The
video doesn't show us much about what happened
in the minute before ... perhaps that set the tone for
the whole encounter, made the cop feel sure he was
dealing with a dangerous individual ? Maybe there's
a dashcam video or something on a surveillance
camera from a nearby business ?

Of course Obama didn't WAIT for any extra evidence
to appear, he immediately imparted the impression
that the cops were 100% wrong - nothing but KKK
murderers. This is terribly irresponsible. There will
be race riots this summer with these events - and
Obamas take on them - as major influences. Many
more people will die.

First-Post

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Jul 7, 2016, 10:04:55 PM7/7/16
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 21:48:20 -0400, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
wrote:
Saw the worthless SOB giving a statement on it today.
Most of it was him pleading for sympathy and understanding for any
protesters and demonstrators. I watched about 5 minutes of him
talking about just that alone before I got sick of hearing him.
Guess my tolerance is building up.
I used to only be able to stand about a minute and a half of his
bullshit before changing channels.

Governor Swill

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Jul 7, 2016, 11:02:51 PM7/7/16
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 21:48:20 -0400, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
wrote:

In the example of the guy squirming on the ground who was hot at point
blank range, the cops cams all went out. All three. At the same
time. So much for cop cams keeping the police honest.

> Of course Obama didn't WAIT for any extra evidence
> to appear, he immediately imparted the impression
> that the cops were 100% wrong - nothing but KKK
> murderers. This is terribly irresponsible. There will
> be race riots this summer with these events - and
> Obamas take on them - as major influences. Many
> more people will die.

If there's any justice, the cop that shot him will be one of them.

And btw, you're right. At least one cop and as many as 7 have been
shot in Dallas during a protest this evening.

If police departments don't change their behavior, there are people
who will change it for them.

Swill
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Governor Swill

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Jul 7, 2016, 11:03:34 PM7/7/16
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 21:04:52 -0500, First-Post
<Liberals-Have-No-Point-If-They-Can't-Lie-A...@DumbassedDemocrats.com>
wrote:
Have they arrested the cop that did it, yet?

Mr. B1ack

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Jul 8, 2016, 10:30:48 PM7/8/16
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 21:04:52 -0500, First-Post
<Liberals-Have-No-Point-If-They-Can't-Lie-A...@DumbassedDemocrats.com>
wrote:

I wrote the above before I was aware of the march
in Dallas and the subsequent ambush of those cops.
All I was aware of was how Obama was framing those
two incidents where the cops shot 'black' men.

So, consider it an "I told you so" ... but I didn't expect
things to happen so quickly or to such an extreme.

Now TODAY ... I got to hear the guy selling the "Cops
are evil racist pigs" angle standing up and having the
balls to say he "sympathized" with the cops and the
families of the dead officers. IMHO Air-Force One
should just depart and LEAVE his ass stranded
in Poland ........ what a two-faced SOB ... it's why
the word "politician" is spoken like an obscenity.

If he goes to Dallas, every civil servant in the city
should totally ignore him, turn their backs on him.
Let him call Uber for a ride to wherever he's gonna
give his speech .......... and if it's televised I've got
the Weather Channel on speedial .............. the
safest way to avoid a hypocricy overdose ........

Mr. B1ack

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Jul 8, 2016, 10:41:00 PM7/8/16
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Cops can't afford to be 'PC' ... they're the ones who
have to get their hands dirty to protect rich white
urban 'liberals' .........

So expect more and more 'equipment failures'.

>> Of course Obama didn't WAIT for any extra evidence
>> to appear, he immediately imparted the impression
>> that the cops were 100% wrong - nothing but KKK
>> murderers. This is terribly irresponsible. There will
>> be race riots this summer with these events - and
>> Obamas take on them - as major influences. Many
>> more people will die.
>
>If there's any justice, the cop that shot him will be one of them.

I wrote what I wrote BEFORE anything was heard
about the Dallas ambush. Didn't expect my predictions
to come true so quickly, to such an extreme.

So, how many cops DO you want assassinated ? You
seem to know they're all evil racist KKK pigs just like
Fearless Leader implies, so are you hoping for a
huge slaughter this summer ?

>And btw, you're right. At least one cop and as many as 7 have been
>shot in Dallas during a protest this evening.

Yep ... and it was MORE than that - even worse the
assassin was ex-military turned race-warrior. Expect
more incidents, soon they'll organize and graduate
from mere popguns .....

>If police departments don't change their behavior, there are people
>who will change it for them.

Yea ... all the cops fault ............ nothing to do with
the ever-escalating worship of "badness" by young
'black' guys .............

I suppose you'll go out and blast a few cops too - since
they're such awful people ........ ?

Governor Swill

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Jul 9, 2016, 1:03:30 AM7/9/16
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2016 22:30:42 -0400, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
wrote:

>
> I wrote the above before I was aware of the march
> in Dallas and the subsequent ambush of those cops.
> All I was aware of was how Obama was framing those
> two incidents where the cops shot 'black' men.
>
> So, consider it an "I told you so" ... but I didn't expect
> things to happen so quickly or to such an extreme.
>
> Now TODAY ... I got to hear the guy selling the "Cops
> are evil racist pigs" angle standing up and having the
> balls to say he "sympathized" with the cops and the
> families of the dead officers. IMHO Air-Force One
> should just depart and LEAVE his ass stranded
> in Poland ........ what a two-faced SOB ... it's why
> the word "politician" is spoken like an obscenity.
>
> If he goes to Dallas, every civil servant in the city
> should totally ignore him, turn their backs on him.
> Let him call Uber for a ride to wherever he's gonna
> give his speech .......... and if it's televised I've got
> the Weather Channel on speedial .............. the
> safest way to avoid a hypocricy overdose ........

Or they could have a couple of burly cops pin him to the ground and
then shoot him in the back a few times. Isn't that their usual MO?

Governor Swill

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Jul 9, 2016, 1:48:08 AM7/9/16
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2016 22:40:53 -0400, Mr. B1ack wrote:
>On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 Governor Swill wrote:
>>On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 Mr. B1ack wrote:
>>>On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 competeti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>On Thursday, July 7, 2016 Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>>>>> Watch: Shocking live video of black man shot dead in
>>>>> Minneapolis goes viral (Graphic Content)
>>>>They shot him for having a tail light out. This is reasonable.
>>>>There is no excuse for driving around with burned out lights.
>>>>Now if they'd start shooting people who fail to use a turn signal.
>>>>And if you litter, they should shoot the whole family.
>>> Cops get carried away sometimes and must be
>>> held responsible. The counterbalance is that it's
>>> incredibly dangerous to be a cop and people ARE
>>> out to kill you, sometimes over the slightest thing,
>>> sometimes just because you are a cop. Twitchy
>>> reflexes can result, threat potential seems greater
>>> than it may actually be.

They need better training and psych counseling. Yeah, it is a tough
job being a cop but far too often, they're setting themselves up as
executioners as well.

>>> Unfortunately the problem with these 'documentary
>>> videos' is that you never see the whole picture of
>>> what went down - typically just the extreme tail end.
>>> Words and actions and attitudes that lead up to
>>> police shootings, set the train of events on a
>>> particular course, are almost always omitted. This
>>> is almost always because nobody knew something
>>> was going down until the last second ... occasionally
>>> though there seems to be deliberate omissions/edits
>>> with a political or financial motive involved.

Like three cops' body cams all malfunctioning at the same time?

>>> We have a video of a guy in Lousiana ... two cops
>>> are holding him down yet he's still squirming. Then
>>> one of the cops blasts him. The ANGLE of the
>>> camera doesn't allow us to see if the guy was
>>> reaching for (or had reached) the gun in his pocket.
>>> Ergo it looks like the cops just executed for nothing.

Wouldn't it be tough to reach for a gun with three cops sitting on
you? And isn't five shots in the chest a bit excessive for a guy who
was "squirming"?
https://archive.org/details/shootdontshoot
Runs about 30 mins.

>>> This other case ... the guy said something about having
>>> a carry permit or having a gun and then reached into
>>> his pocket. The cop heard "gun" and saw the guy
>>> reaching. In two seconds that cop could have been
>>> dead - or not. So what's he supposed to do ? There's
>>> no clear "ideal" course of action in such a case. The
>>> video doesn't show us much about what happened
>>> in the minute before ... perhaps that set the tone for
>>> the whole encounter, made the cop feel sure he was
>>> dealing with a dangerous individual ? Maybe there's
>>> a dashcam video or something on a surveillance
>>> camera from a nearby business ?

So much for CCW on the streets. What if the guy hadn't warned the cop
he was legally armed? Would the cop still have shot him for reaching
for his wallet?

>>In the example of the guy squirming on the ground who was hot at point
>>blank range, the cops cams all went out. All three. At the same
>>time. So much for cop cams keeping the police honest.
>
> Cops can't afford to be 'PC' ... they're the ones who
> have to get their hands dirty to protect rich white
> urban 'liberals' .........
>
> So expect more and more 'equipment failures'.

And rich, white conservatives.

>>> Of course Obama didn't WAIT for any extra evidence
>>> to appear, he immediately imparted the impression
>>> that the cops were 100% wrong - nothing but KKK
>>> murderers. This is terribly irresponsible. There will
>>> be race riots this summer with these events - and
>>> Obamas take on them - as major influences. Many
>>> more people will die.
>>
>>If there's any justice, the cop that shot him will be one of them.
>
> I wrote what I wrote BEFORE anything was heard
> about the Dallas ambush. Didn't expect my predictions
> to come true so quickly, to such an extreme.

Excuse my rant but I'm really getting over police violence. Time we
figured out some solutions.

> So, how many cops DO you want assassinated ? You
> seem to know they're all evil racist KKK pigs just like
> Fearless Leader implies, so are you hoping for a
> huge slaughter this summer ?

What I'm hoping for is a wake up call.
https://archive.org/details/shootdontshoot
Runs about 30 mins.

>>And btw, you're right. At least one cop and as many as 7 have been
>>shot in Dallas during a protest this evening.
>
> Yep ... and it was MORE than that - even worse the
> assassin was ex-military turned race-warrior. Expect
> more incidents, soon they'll organize and graduate
> from mere popguns .....

The last number I heard was 5 officers dead, 7 wounded.

>>If police departments don't change their behavior, there are people
>>who will change it for them.
>
> Yea ... all the cops fault ............ nothing to do with
> the ever-escalating worship of "badness" by young
> 'black' guys .............
>
> I suppose you'll go out and blast a few cops too - since
> they're such awful people ........ ?

Rule number one: Follow the cop's instructions.

Mr. B1ack

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Jul 9, 2016, 6:28:58 PM7/9/16
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2016 01:48:08 -0400, Governor Swill
<governo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Jul 2016 22:40:53 -0400, Mr. B1ack wrote:
>>On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 Governor Swill wrote:
>>>On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 Mr. B1ack wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 competeti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>On Thursday, July 7, 2016 Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>>>>>> Watch: Shocking live video of black man shot dead in
>>>>>> Minneapolis goes viral (Graphic Content)
>>>>>They shot him for having a tail light out. This is reasonable.
>>>>>There is no excuse for driving around with burned out lights.
>>>>>Now if they'd start shooting people who fail to use a turn signal.
>>>>>And if you litter, they should shoot the whole family.
>>>> Cops get carried away sometimes and must be
>>>> held responsible. The counterbalance is that it's
>>>> incredibly dangerous to be a cop and people ARE
>>>> out to kill you, sometimes over the slightest thing,
>>>> sometimes just because you are a cop. Twitchy
>>>> reflexes can result, threat potential seems greater
>>>> than it may actually be.
>
>They need better training and psych counseling.

They get tons of that already - so much I'm surprised
they don't just all quit.

>Yeah, it is a tough
>job being a cop but far too often, they're setting themselves up as
>executioners as well.

YOU do that kind of job day in and day out, dealing
with hundreds, thousands, of shitheads. My bet is
that your patience would wear a bit thin too ... all
the touchie-feelie crap would be replaced with
"Oh, FUCK this dipshit !".

I think your main complaint is that cops aren't robots.

SOMEDAY they may all be robots ....... then we'll
long for the good old days ........

>>>> Unfortunately the problem with these 'documentary
>>>> videos' is that you never see the whole picture of
>>>> what went down - typically just the extreme tail end.
>>>> Words and actions and attitudes that lead up to
>>>> police shootings, set the train of events on a
>>>> particular course, are almost always omitted. This
>>>> is almost always because nobody knew something
>>>> was going down until the last second ... occasionally
>>>> though there seems to be deliberate omissions/edits
>>>> with a political or financial motive involved.
>
>Like three cops' body cams all malfunctioning at the same time?
>
>>>> We have a video of a guy in Lousiana ... two cops
>>>> are holding him down yet he's still squirming. Then
>>>> one of the cops blasts him. The ANGLE of the
>>>> camera doesn't allow us to see if the guy was
>>>> reaching for (or had reached) the gun in his pocket.
>>>> Ergo it looks like the cops just executed for nothing.
>
>Wouldn't it be tough to reach for a gun with three cops sitting on
>you? And isn't five shots in the chest a bit excessive for a guy who
>was "squirming"?
>https://archive.org/details/shootdontshoot
>Runs about 30 mins.


Dunno ... have three cops sit on you and see
if you can squirm your arm down and pull a
gun out of your pocket - a practical experiment.
Don't forget to be younger and sweatier ....

Cops are USUALLY very free with the tasers/
stun-gun these days ... and that'll usually cause
the target to get all uncoordinated and unable
to be a serious threat. I'd be interested in whether
anybody tried tazing the guy or just went straight
for the real gun.

One feature of this event was that some guy
HAD called the cops and said the perp/victim
had pulled a gun on him ... and thus the scenerio
was set and the cops came in with the "armed
hooligan" paradigm in their minds. Had it been
a neutral encounter with the guy to begin with
things would have gone differently.


>>>> This other case ... the guy said something about having
>>>> a carry permit or having a gun and then reached into
>>>> his pocket. The cop heard "gun" and saw the guy
>>>> reaching. In two seconds that cop could have been
>>>> dead - or not. So what's he supposed to do ? There's
>>>> no clear "ideal" course of action in such a case. The
>>>> video doesn't show us much about what happened
>>>> in the minute before ... perhaps that set the tone for
>>>> the whole encounter, made the cop feel sure he was
>>>> dealing with a dangerous individual ? Maybe there's
>>>> a dashcam video or something on a surveillance
>>>> camera from a nearby business ?
>
>So much for CCW on the streets. What if the guy hadn't warned the cop
>he was legally armed? Would the cop still have shot him for reaching
>for his wallet?
>
>>>In the example of the guy squirming on the ground who was hot at point
>>>blank range, the cops cams all went out. All three. At the same
>>>time. So much for cop cams keeping the police honest.
>>
>> Cops can't afford to be 'PC' ... they're the ones who
>> have to get their hands dirty to protect rich white
>> urban 'liberals' .........
>>
>> So expect more and more 'equipment failures'.
>
>And rich, white conservatives.


Oh, they'd be HAPPY to be auxillary cops ... just
give 'em a shotgun and they'd zealously protect
and serve. Alas capitalism tends to use up most
of your free time so .....

It's the marginally/un-employed trust-fund urban
"liberals" who are the problem. They'd never get
down in the shit - but they know a 'black' guy or
two and can really feel their pain and oppression
and are *so* guilty about being 'white' ......


>>>> Of course Obama didn't WAIT for any extra evidence
>>>> to appear, he immediately imparted the impression
>>>> that the cops were 100% wrong - nothing but KKK
>>>> murderers. This is terribly irresponsible. There will
>>>> be race riots this summer with these events - and
>>>> Obamas take on them - as major influences. Many
>>>> more people will die.
>>>
>>>If there's any justice, the cop that shot him will be one of them.
>>
>> I wrote what I wrote BEFORE anything was heard
>> about the Dallas ambush. Didn't expect my predictions
>> to come true so quickly, to such an extreme.
>
>Excuse my rant but I'm really getting over police violence. Time we
>figured out some solutions.

Why SURE .... we'll just stop enforcing any laws
when 'black' people are involved - that'll fix it !
Robbery ? Rape ? Drive-by ? Oops ! "Black"
guy Joe ... just ignore it ................

>> So, how many cops DO you want assassinated ? You
>> seem to know they're all evil racist KKK pigs just like
>> Fearless Leader implies, so are you hoping for a
>> huge slaughter this summer ?
>
>What I'm hoping for is a wake up call.
>https://archive.org/details/shootdontshoot
>Runs about 30 mins.
>
>>>And btw, you're right. At least one cop and as many as 7 have been
>>>shot in Dallas during a protest this evening.
>>
>> Yep ... and it was MORE than that - even worse the
>> assassin was ex-military turned race-warrior. Expect
>> more incidents, soon they'll organize and graduate
>> from mere popguns .....
>
>The last number I heard was 5 officers dead, 7 wounded.
>
>>>If police departments don't change their behavior, there are people
>>>who will change it for them.
>>
>> Yea ... all the cops fault ............ nothing to do with
>> the ever-escalating worship of "badness" by young
>> 'black' guys .............
>>
>> I suppose you'll go out and blast a few cops too - since
>> they're such awful people ........ ?
>
>Rule number one: Follow the cop's instructions.

And, an unfortunate truth, rule two is to obey
rule one doubly if you're a 'black' guy. Until
the culture of "bad" goes away, ceases to
be seen as something to strive for, something
to worship, this is gonna remain the status-quo.

You and I are just old enough to remember what
'blacks' were like before the civil-rights act. It was
a pretty good crowd and you didn't feel intimidated
going into a 'black' neighborhood. Hell, it wasn't
unusual for me and my buds to go party in the
'black' part of town on saturday nights even into
the 70s.

But all that slowly changed for the worse -
oddly as the legal and social status of 'blacks'
was rapidly improving. "Bad" became 'good' ...
a literal inversion of social values. Now it's all
gangs and vendettas and terrorism and murder -
all the empathy and humanity pissed away FOR
NO REASON. "Badness" is a meme, a mind-virus,
and it has spread across all 'black america'
(Chicago seems to have a double-infection).
Crush your enemies and get rich quick ... and
who gives a shit about the fallout ?

And the 'social leaders' say little about it - it'd
be un-'PC' apparently. The problems are always
external ... 'whitey made 'em do it'. Did Obama
say that 'blacks' need to excercise any self
control, put aside "badness" ? Nope, he blamed
white cops and guns instead. Yet another case
of where he won't name the problem - and thus
why that problem won't get better.

Governor Swill

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Jul 10, 2016, 9:44:40 AM7/10/16
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2016 Mr. B1ack wrote:
>On Sat, 09 Jul 2016 Governor Swill wrote:
>>On Fri, 08 Jul 2016 Mr. B1ack wrote:
>>>On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 Mr. B1ack wrote:
>>>>> Cops get carried away sometimes and must be
>>>>> held responsible. The counterbalance is that it's
>>>>> incredibly dangerous to be a cop and people ARE
>>>>> out to kill you, sometimes over the slightest thing,
>>>>> sometimes just because you are a cop. Twitchy
>>>>> reflexes can result, threat potential seems greater
>>>>> than it may actually be.
>>They need better training and psych counseling.
>
> They get tons of that already - so much I'm surprised
> they don't just all quit.

Obviously they don't get enough, or you wouldn't have just given their
inability to cope with the realities of their job as the reason for
such shootings. One thing you didn't address is why the dead are so
disproportionately non white.

>>Yeah, it is a tough
>>job being a cop but far too often, they're setting themselves up as
>>executioners as well.
>
> YOU do that kind of job day in and day out, dealing
> with hundreds, thousands, of shitheads. My bet is
> that your patience would wear a bit thin too ... all
> the touchie-feelie crap would be replaced with
> "Oh, FUCK this dipshit !".

I do customer service for TV subscribers. Damn! They can be stupid.
As god is my witness, had one call recently whose TV wasn't working no
matter how many times he powercycled his cable box. Know what the
problem was? He forgot to turn the box back ON.

> I think your main complaint is that cops aren't robots.

My main complaint is that we don't do a good enough job screening out
the military/control freak types. Or that we don't assign them
properly. Most cops, the *vast* majority of cops are cool guys,
regular folks, but it doesn't take many rotten apples to spoil the
barrel.

> SOMEDAY they may all be robots ....... then we'll
> long for the good old days ........

ObRef: Michael Rennie and Patricia Neal

>>Wouldn't it be tough to reach for a gun with three cops sitting on
>>you? And isn't five shots in the chest a bit excessive for a guy who
>>was "squirming"?
>>https://archive.org/details/shootdontshoot
>>Runs about 30 mins.
>
>
> Dunno ... have three cops sit on you and see
> if you can squirm your arm down and pull a
> gun out of your pocket - a practical experiment.
> Don't forget to be younger and sweatier ....

Another video has surfaced. This one taken from in front of the
store. There were only two cops. Still, a guy pinned to the ground
squirming, perhaps to reach his gun, needs to be shot in the
shoulders, not the chest.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/06/us/baton-rouge-shooting-alton-sterling/

This one looks a bit cleaner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WxO3MOwyQU

> Cops are USUALLY very free with the tasers/
> stun-gun these days ... and that'll usually cause
> the target to get all uncoordinated and unable
> to be a serious threat. I'd be interested in whether
> anybody tried tazing the guy or just went straight
> for the real gun.

There was video going around last year of a white female cop shooting
a white guy on a domestic call. She tazed him twice and while he was
on the ground convulsing, she emptied her service piece into him. She
was acquitted. In her defense, he tried to get back up at one point.

> One feature of this event was that some guy
> HAD called the cops and said the perp/victim
> had pulled a gun on him ... and thus the scenerio
> was set and the cops came in with the "armed
> hooligan" paradigm in their minds. Had it been
> a neutral encounter with the guy to begin with
> things would have gone differently.

A homeless guy called them. Also, somebody at some point yelled,
"He's got a gun!". That's when the shooter pulled his gun from his
holster and emptied it into Sterling's chest.

>>> Cops can't afford to be 'PC' ... they're the ones who
>>> have to get their hands dirty to protect rich white
>>> urban 'liberals' .........
>>>
>>> So expect more and more 'equipment failures'.
>>
>>And rich, white conservatives.
>
>
> Oh, they'd be HAPPY to be auxillary cops ... just
> give 'em a shotgun and they'd zealously protect
> and serve. Alas capitalism tends to use up most
> of your free time so .....

Poor editing on my part. I meant cops protecting rich, white,
conservatives. They're the ones most often complaining about crime.

> It's the marginally/un-employed trust-fund urban
> "liberals" who are the problem. They'd never get
> down in the shit - but they know a 'black' guy or
> two and can really feel their pain and oppression
> and are *so* guilty about being 'white' ......

Make up your mind. Is it the rich ones or the poor ones? Surely
you're not trying to say only liberals worry about street crime?

And does not being a racist automatically brand one as a liberal?
Because if it does, you've just defined all conservatives as racists.

>>Excuse my rant but I'm really getting over police violence. Time we
>>figured out some solutions.
>
> Why SURE .... we'll just stop enforcing any laws
> when 'black' people are involved - that'll fix it !
> Robbery ? Rape ? Drive-by ? Oops ! "Black"
> guy Joe ... just ignore it ................

We already are. That's the point. As a society, we aren't doing what
we need to do to resolve crime. We're just locking up or killing
perps of common street crime when we find them.

What about white collar crime? Insurance and investment fraud alone
costs Americans so much it's like getting mugged regularly. But
nobody cares about that. They're too busy executing drivers for
having a busted tail light.

>>Rule number one: Follow the cop's instructions.
>
> And, an unfortunate truth, rule two is to obey
> rule one doubly if you're a 'black' guy. Until
> the culture of "bad" goes away, ceases to
> be seen as something to strive for, something
> to worship, this is gonna remain the status-quo.

Just as a few cop incidents stain all cops, a few "tuff bruhthuh"
incidents stain all black males.

> You and I are just old enough to remember what
> 'blacks' were like before the civil-rights act. It was
> a pretty good crowd and you didn't feel intimidated
> going into a 'black' neighborhood. Hell, it wasn't
> unusual for me and my buds to go party in the
> 'black' part of town on saturday nights even into
> the 70s.

Yeah, sure, let's go back to when Tom was obeisant, respectful and
licked white boots. I'm sure that WOULD make white bigots feel
better. More to the point is drugs and crime and our society that
teaches poverty and injustice in poor black neighborhoods. More than
once, government agencies have been caught planting evidence and even
selling dope to black dealers for resale. And government assistance
can move from help mode to enable mode in a heartbeat.

> But all that slowly changed for the worse -
> oddly as the legal and social status of 'blacks'
> was rapidly improving. "Bad" became 'good' ...
> a literal inversion of social values. Now it's all
> gangs and vendettas and terrorism and murder -
> all the empathy and humanity pissed away FOR
> NO REASON. "Badness" is a meme, a mind-virus,
> and it has spread across all 'black america'
> (Chicago seems to have a double-infection).
> Crush your enemies and get rich quick ... and
> who gives a shit about the fallout ?

Why not? The system won't let them make it legitimately. Racism is
still rampant, especially among conservative whites.

> And the 'social leaders' say little about it - it'd
> be un-'PC' apparently. The problems are always
> external ... 'whitey made 'em do it'. Did Obama
> say that 'blacks' need to excercise any self
> control, put aside "badness" ? Nope, he blamed
> white cops and guns instead. Yet another case
> of where he won't name the problem - and thus
> why that problem won't get better.

Are "bad" blacks anything like "bad" cops?

Mr. B1ack

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Jul 11, 2016, 9:54:57 PM7/11/16
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You expect cops to be nice cleancut street psychologists
from day one and for the next thirty years. AIN'T EVER
GONNA HAPPEN. They're people, the daily grind gets
to them, they see the same old shit a thousand times
too many, people try to gouge their eyes out, grab their
guns, stick a shiv into them, smash bottles over their
heads, beat, rob, rape, intimidate and kill .......... and
the nice cleancut kid gets very very *practical*.

>> SOMEDAY they may all be robots ....... then we'll
>> long for the good old days ........
>
>ObRef: Michael Rennie and Patricia Neal

Beware robot logic ... it's just too perfect.

>>>Wouldn't it be tough to reach for a gun with three cops sitting on
>>>you? And isn't five shots in the chest a bit excessive for a guy who
>>>was "squirming"?
>>>https://archive.org/details/shootdontshoot
>>>Runs about 30 mins.
>>
>>
>> Dunno ... have three cops sit on you and see
>> if you can squirm your arm down and pull a
>> gun out of your pocket - a practical experiment.
>> Don't forget to be younger and sweatier ....
>
>Another video has surfaced. This one taken from in front of the
>store. There were only two cops. Still, a guy pinned to the ground
>squirming, perhaps to reach his gun, needs to be shot in the
>shoulders, not the chest.
>http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/06/us/baton-rouge-shooting-alton-sterling/

So says you.

But it wasn't you trying to hang on to the squirming
angry armed man .........

Oh, and cops aren't taught "shoot to disable" anymore,
just "shoot to KILL". Why ? Lawsuits. Dead perps can't
file as many of 'em. Most cops are crappy shots these
days too ... spray and pray. Give 'em back the old
sixguns I say - that way they'll learn to make those
bullets COUNT.

>This one looks a bit cleaner.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WxO3MOwyQU
>
>> Cops are USUALLY very free with the tasers/
>> stun-gun these days ... and that'll usually cause
>> the target to get all uncoordinated and unable
>> to be a serious threat. I'd be interested in whether
>> anybody tried tazing the guy or just went straight
>> for the real gun.
>
>There was video going around last year of a white female cop shooting
>a white guy on a domestic call. She tazed him twice and while he was
>on the ground convulsing, she emptied her service piece into him. She
>was acquitted. In her defense, he tried to get back up at one point.

Again, you want robocops.

It was clearly a trying situation, the brain gets kinda
overloaded - mental shortcuts, even bad ones, suddenly
shift into the express lane. She needed him DOWN,
SAFE ... it didn't work out that way, the tazer didn't
end the problem, so she went to plan 'B'. Ya know, you
might have too .....

>> One feature of this event was that some guy
>> HAD called the cops and said the perp/victim
>> had pulled a gun on him ... and thus the scenerio
>> was set and the cops came in with the "armed
>> hooligan" paradigm in their minds. Had it been
>> a neutral encounter with the guy to begin with
>> things would have gone differently.
>
>A homeless guy called them. Also, somebody at some point yelled,
>"He's got a gun!". That's when the shooter pulled his gun from his
>holster and emptied it into Sterling's chest.

And you'd have done the same. No time to conduct
a survey - somebody yells "Gun !" in the middle of
a fight you BELIEVE them.

>>>> Cops can't afford to be 'PC' ... they're the ones who
>>>> have to get their hands dirty to protect rich white
>>>> urban 'liberals' .........
>>>>
>>>> So expect more and more 'equipment failures'.
>>>
>>>And rich, white conservatives.
>>
>>
>> Oh, they'd be HAPPY to be auxillary cops ... just
>> give 'em a shotgun and they'd zealously protect
>> and serve. Alas capitalism tends to use up most
>> of your free time so .....
>
>Poor editing on my part. I meant cops protecting rich, white,
>conservatives. They're the ones most often complaining about crime.

The 'liberals' would too ... but it'd be un-PC.

I saw that some DNC official of some import got four slugs
in the back yesterday near his home. Seems there had been
a rash of robberies around there - I guess nobody pressed
the case on the chance the perp was 'black' or something ...

Hmm ... now if the conservatives keep defending themselves
personally and with cops while the libs do not .... how long ....

I think the libs want to neuter the conservatives and cops
so they'll be forced to pay tribute to the underclasses ...
fork over the 'free money' ............

>> It's the marginally/un-employed trust-fund urban
>> "liberals" who are the problem. They'd never get
>> down in the shit - but they know a 'black' guy or
>> two and can really feel their pain and oppression
>> and are *so* guilty about being 'white' ......
>
>Make up your mind. Is it the rich ones or the poor ones? Surely
>you're not trying to say only liberals worry about street crime?

"Rich" marginally/un-employed 'liberals' ... the trust
fund coffeehouse crowd. The poor "liberals", well,
they're the thugs. :-)

>And does not being a racist automatically brand one as a liberal ?

Hardly. Most 'conservatives' aren't, or aren't very, "racist" either.

>Because if it does, you've just defined all conservatives as racists.

Being intelligent rather than 'pc' you mean :-)

>>>Excuse my rant but I'm really getting over police violence. Time we
>>>figured out some solutions.
>>
>> Why SURE .... we'll just stop enforcing any laws
>> when 'black' people are involved - that'll fix it !
>> Robbery ? Rape ? Drive-by ? Oops ! "Black"
>> guy Joe ... just ignore it ................
>
>We already are. That's the point. As a society, we aren't doing what
>we need to do to resolve crime. We're just locking up or killing
>perps of common street crime when we find them.

What's your master plan ... drown 'em in 'free money' ?
Yea ... that's a sustainable plan, pay tribute to the
street barbarians.

I'll pay mine in lead if something goes bump in the night ...

>What about white collar crime? Insurance and investment fraud alone
>costs Americans so much it's like getting mugged regularly. But
>nobody cares about that. They're too busy executing drivers for
>having a busted tail light.

Well, bank CEOs generally aren't pounding your skull
with a 2x4 .....

Still, it ought to be addressed more firmly. Corruption kills
societies as much as the street barbarians.

>>>Rule number one: Follow the cop's instructions.
>>
>> And, an unfortunate truth, rule two is to obey
>> rule one doubly if you're a 'black' guy. Until
>> the culture of "bad" goes away, ceases to
>> be seen as something to strive for, something
>> to worship, this is gonna remain the status-quo.
>
>Just as a few cop incidents stain all cops, a few "tuff bruhthuh"
>incidents stain all black males.

More than a few "tuff bruthuh" incidents alas ....

>> You and I are just old enough to remember what
>> 'blacks' were like before the civil-rights act. It was
>> a pretty good crowd and you didn't feel intimidated
>> going into a 'black' neighborhood. Hell, it wasn't
>> unusual for me and my buds to go party in the
>> 'black' part of town on saturday nights even into
>> the 70s.
>
>Yeah, sure, let's go back to when Tom was obeisant, respectful and
>licked white boots.

Um ... you didn't party in the 'black' part of town
very much, did you ? That's not how it was.

>I'm sure that WOULD make white bigots feel
>better. More to the point is drugs and crime and our society that
>teaches poverty and injustice in poor black neighborhoods. More than
>once, government agencies have been caught planting evidence and even
>selling dope to black dealers for resale. And government assistance
>can move from help mode to enable mode in a heartbeat.
>
>> But all that slowly changed for the worse -
>> oddly as the legal and social status of 'blacks'
>> was rapidly improving. "Bad" became 'good' ...
>> a literal inversion of social values. Now it's all
>> gangs and vendettas and terrorism and murder -
>> all the empathy and humanity pissed away FOR
>> NO REASON. "Badness" is a meme, a mind-virus,
>> and it has spread across all 'black america'
>> (Chicago seems to have a double-infection).
>> Crush your enemies and get rich quick ... and
>> who gives a shit about the fallout ?
>
>Why not? The system won't let them make it legitimately.

BullSHIT !

>Racism is
>still rampant, especially among conservative whites.

You need to get out more.

>> And the 'social leaders' say little about it - it'd
>> be un-'PC' apparently. The problems are always
>> external ... 'whitey made 'em do it'. Did Obama
>> say that 'blacks' need to excercise any self
>> control, put aside "badness" ? Nope, he blamed
>> white cops and guns instead. Yet another case
>> of where he won't name the problem - and thus
>> why that problem won't get better.
>
>Are "bad" blacks anything like "bad" cops?

Yep. Attitude is an equal-opportunity affliction.

Governor Swill

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On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 Mr. B1ack wrote:
>On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 Governor Swill wrote:
> You expect cops to be

I expect cops who make mistakes resulting in death be penalized for
it. The Sterling incident, can be viewed as at least mostly
justified. The perp had a gun, was committing a crime and was
resisting. Still, he shouldn't have been killed.

The Castille shooting is going to take more investigation.

>>> SOMEDAY they may all be robots ....... then we'll
>>> long for the good old days ........
>>
>>ObRef: Michael Rennie and Patricia Neal
>
> Beware robot logic ... it's just too perfect.

That wasn't the point of the reference.

>>Another video has surfaced. This one taken from in front of the
>>store. There were only two cops. Still, a guy pinned to the ground
>>squirming, perhaps to reach his gun, needs to be shot in the
>>shoulders, not the chest.
>>http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/06/us/baton-rouge-shooting-alton-sterling/
>
> So says you.
>
> But it wasn't you trying to hang on to the squirming
> angry armed man .........

And I'm not a cop and not trained to deal with that kind of situation.

> Oh, and cops aren't taught "shoot to disable" anymore,
> just "shoot to KILL".

"Shoot to kill" needs to be abolished.

>Why ? Lawsuits. Dead perps can't
> file as many of 'em.

But their families do and typically they file federal suits.

>>There was video going around last year of a white female cop shooting
>>a white guy on a domestic call. She tazed him twice and while he was
>>on the ground convulsing, she emptied her service piece into him. She
>>was acquitted. In her defense, he tried to get back up at one point.
>
> Again, you want robocops.

I want trained cops who don't lose their cool or panic. Don't forget
Tamil Rice. The cop that shot him had resigned from one police
department after a poor performance review and was subsequently
rejected by other police forces before being hired by Cleveland. He
scored only 46% on the county Sheriff's written exam.

Cops don't get enough pay, enough training and most don't have a
vested interest in the communities they patrol.

There are reasons for these things, but those reasons must be
addressed.

> It was clearly a trying situation, the brain gets kinda
> overloaded - mental shortcuts, even bad ones, suddenly
> shift into the express lane. She needed him DOWN,
> SAFE ... it didn't work out that way, the tazer didn't
> end the problem, so she went to plan 'B'. Ya know, you
> might have too .....

Shoulda, coulda, woulda. Might be different if she'd waited until he
was trying to get up.

>>A homeless guy called them. Also, somebody at some point yelled,
>>"He's got a gun!". That's when the shooter pulled his gun from his
>>holster and emptied it into Sterling's chest.
>
> And you'd have done the same.

Not until I saw it.

>No time to conduct
> a survey - somebody yells "Gun !" in the middle of
> a fight you BELIEVE them.

They already knew he had a gun. That's what the 911 call was about.

>>Poor editing on my part. I meant cops protecting rich, white,
>>conservatives. They're the ones most often complaining about crime.
>
> The 'liberals' would too ... but it'd be un-PC.

They're supposed to protect everybody *and* be PC.

> I saw that some DNC official of some import got four slugs
> in the back yesterday near his home. Seems there had been
> a rash of robberies around there - I guess nobody pressed
> the case on the chance the perp was 'black' or something ...

"Rich was found shot several times, at least once in the back, about
4:20 a.m., after police were alerted by sensors that detect the sound
of gunfire. ShotSpotter sensors drew officers to Flagler Place and W
Street, a block from a townhouse Rich moved into two years ago with
several roommates."
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/police-identify-man-fatally-shot-in-bloomingdale/2016/07/11/4236fd1a-4754-11e6-90a8-fb84201e0645_story.html>

Do you particularly enjoy spreading rumors or did you just get carried
away? He wasn't shot 4 times in the back and the case is being
investigated. Of note, he was walking on the street at 4:20 am.

> Hmm ... now if the conservatives keep defending themselves
> personally and with cops while the libs do not .... how long ....
>
> I think the libs want to neuter the conservatives and cops
> so they'll be forced to pay tribute to the underclasses ...
> fork over the 'free money' ............

Complain to the "libs" about the libs. I want to see the cops stop
shooting unarmed civilians in the back.

>>> It's the marginally/un-employed trust-fund urban
>>> "liberals" who are the problem. They'd never get
>>> down in the shit - but they know a 'black' guy or
>>> two and can really feel their pain and oppression
>>> and are *so* guilty about being 'white' ......
>>
>>Make up your mind. Is it the rich ones or the poor ones? Surely
>>you're not trying to say only liberals worry about street crime?
>
> "Rich" marginally/un-employed 'liberals' ... the trust
> fund coffeehouse crowd. The poor "liberals", well,
> they're the thugs. :-)

And again you make baseless assumptions based on partisan spin.

Perhaps the real problem is the racism that still runs through this
country.

>>And does not being a racist automatically brand one as a liberal ?
>
> Hardly. Most 'conservatives' aren't, or aren't very, "racist" either.

I'm not saying Republicans are racists, but if you're white and a
racist and you're looking for a political party, it isn't the Dems
you're going to choose. :)

>>Because if it does, you've just defined all conservatives as racists.
>
> Being intelligent rather than 'pc' you mean :-)

PC is another term for "polite in public".

> What's your master plan ... drown 'em in 'free money' ?
> Yea ... that's a sustainable plan, pay tribute to the
> street barbarians.

Don't have a master plan. Just because someone perceives a problem
doesn't mean they have a fix for it. Just like understanding
something doesn't mean agreement with it.

> Well, bank CEOs generally aren't pounding your skull
> with a 2x4 .....

Which is why they get away with it. But that doesn't make them any
better than the street crook sticking you up in the parking deck.

> Still, it ought to be addressed more firmly. Corruption kills
> societies as much as the street barbarians.
>
>>>>Rule number one: Follow the cop's instructions.
>>>
>>> And, an unfortunate truth, rule two is to obey
>>> rule one doubly if you're a 'black' guy. Until
>>> the culture of "bad" goes away, ceases to
>>> be seen as something to strive for, something
>>> to worship, this is gonna remain the status-quo.
>>
>>Just as a few cop incidents stain all cops, a few "tuff bruhthuh"
>>incidents stain all black males.
>
> More than a few "tuff bruthuh" incidents alas ....

And more than a few killer cop incidents too. But it's relative,
there are a lot more blacks folks than cops.

>>Yeah, sure, let's go back to when Tom was obeisant, respectful and
>>licked white boots.
>
> Um ... you didn't party in the 'black' part of town
> very much, did you ? That's not how it was.

Yeah, I did and used to live there too. I've always preferred mixed
neighborhoods. They tend to be more relaxed and the neighbors more
friendly. White folks can be so uptight. ;)

>>Why not? The system won't let them make it legitimately.
>
> BullSHIT !

Not bullshit.

>>Racism is
>>still rampant, especially among conservative whites.
>
> You need to get out more.

So do you. It's everywhere. Even black cops fear being profiled when
not in uniform. This newsgroup is rife with it and Donald Trump has
made himself a rallying point for racists and racism.

>>Are "bad" blacks anything like "bad" cops?
>
> Yep. Attitude is an equal-opportunity affliction.

The difference being that cops can legally shoot you.

Mr. B1ack

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 23:03:28 -0400, Governor Swill
<governo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 Mr. B1ack wrote:
>>On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 Governor Swill wrote:
>> You expect cops to be
>
>I expect cops who make mistakes resulting in death be penalized for
>it. The Sterling incident, can be viewed as at least mostly
>justified. The perp had a gun, was committing a crime and was
>resisting. Still, he shouldn't have been killed.
>
>The Castille shooting is going to take more investigation.


YES ! NOW you're in the right groove !

But did Fearless Leader WAIT for any investigation ?
Nope. He - as he has so many times before - leaped
to a politically self-serving opinion ... unqualified
uninformed broad-brush cop-bashing. As Leader
his diatribe has more influence than Joe Regulars.

And boy -o- boy DID it have an "influence" ....


>>>> SOMEDAY they may all be robots ....... then we'll
>>>> long for the good old days ........
>>>
>>>ObRef: Michael Rennie and Patricia Neal
>>
>> Beware robot logic ... it's just too perfect.
>
>That wasn't the point of the reference.

Rennie wasn't a robot. However his robot was
locked into a perfect logic about what to do in
the particular situation, without pity or empathy
or any of the subtle distractions of carbon-based
lifeforms.

HAL-9000 was another fair depiction.

>>>Another video has surfaced. This one taken from in front of the
>>>store. There were only two cops. Still, a guy pinned to the ground
>>>squirming, perhaps to reach his gun, needs to be shot in the
>>>shoulders, not the chest.
>>>http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/06/us/baton-rouge-shooting-alton-sterling/
>>
>> So says you.
>>
>> But it wasn't you trying to hang on to the squirming
>> angry armed man .........
>
>And I'm not a cop and not trained to deal with that kind of situation.


"Training" only takes you just so far. Real life is
full of uncertainties and bizzare variations - most
especially when other humans are involved.


>> Oh, and cops aren't taught "shoot to disable" anymore,
>> just "shoot to KILL".
>
>"Shoot to kill" needs to be abolished.
>
>>Why ? Lawsuits. Dead perps can't
>> file as many of 'em.
>
>But their families do and typically they file federal suits.


Yes ... but it's far more effective if the horribly-
wounded 'victim' painfully drags himself up to
the witness stand ........


>>>There was video going around last year of a white female cop shooting
>>>a white guy on a domestic call. She tazed him twice and while he was
>>>on the ground convulsing, she emptied her service piece into him. She
>>>was acquitted. In her defense, he tried to get back up at one point.
>>
>> Again, you want robocops.
>
>I want trained cops who don't lose their cool or panic.

AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.

DO try and get real Swill.

In a tussle, particularly if threat to life and limb
exists, NOBODY keeps their cool. You cannot
turn a cop into a robot - so don't EXPECT them
to act like robots. "Training" HELPS ... but it
won't fully deliver what you want.

>Don't forget
>Tamil Rice. The cop that shot him had resigned from one police
>department after a poor performance review and was subsequently
>rejected by other police forces before being hired by Cleveland. He
>scored only 46% on the county Sheriff's written exam.

Sometimes the cops need quantity more than
quality .....


>>>Are "bad" blacks anything like "bad" cops?
>>
>> Yep. Attitude is an equal-opportunity affliction.
>
>The difference being that cops can legally shoot you.


But dead is dead - whether it was legal or not.

You really oughtta join BLM Swill .... your hatred
and blanket opinion of cops makes you an ideal
recruit.

Governor Swill

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On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:34:25 -0400, Mr. B1ack wrote:
> You really oughtta join BLM Swill .... your hatred
> and blanket opinion of cops makes you an ideal
> recruit.

You must be reading somebody else's posts. ALL lives matter and it
isn't only blacks being murdered by bad cops. Nor are all cops bad.
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