Alaska running $3.5 BILLION deficit

[Gronk]

http://www.newsminer.com/opinion/editorials/alaska-needs-budget-leadership-bold-solutions-needed-to-fill-revenue/article_f1e95e08-82a5-11e4-be38-534952d217c4.html

Alaska needs budget leadership: Bold solutions needed to fill revenue hole
left by low oil prices

What this means is the state government is facing a $3.5 billion deficit
for the current fiscal year, an increase of about $2 billion more than the
deficit projection made in April.

[Scout]

"Gronk" <inv...@usenet.invalid> wrote in message
news:m6sbqq$v1g$4...@news.mixmin.net...

And California is running $28 Billion deficit, Illinois is running at $15
Billion, Minnesota is over $6 Billion,

So what's your point?

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:43:06 -0700, Gronk <inv...@usenet.invalid>
wrote:

>http://www.newsminer.com/opinion/editorials/alaska-needs-budget-leadership-bold-solutions-needed-to-fill-revenue/article_f1e95e08-82a5-11e4-be38-534952d217c4.html
>

Learn to fucking read.

They are NOT "running" a 3.5 billion deficit.

What the hell *IS* it with you people?

[kwright]

In article <m6sgnu$mvj$1...@dont-email.me>

He's just reinforcing the fact that he's ignorant again.

[Mitchell Holman]

"Scout" <me4...@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
news:m6sgnu$mvj$1...@dont-email.me:

And in Republican Texas the state debt has climbed
to $340 billion, or $13,083 per person.

http://ballotpedia.org/Texas_state_budget

And your point is.........?

[Scout]

"Mitchell Holman" <noe...@att.net> wrote in message
news:XnsA406DB04DF6...@216.166.97.131...

You don't know the difference between deficit and debt?

[Gronk]

How come these fiscal conservatives are running up the tab?

Alaska's budget
http://omb.alaska.gov/ombfiles/15_budget/PDFs/SLA2014_Press_Packet.pdf

California
http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-california-budget-legislature-20140615-story.html

And then there's this pathetic mess
http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2014/07/15/whats-the-matter-with-kansas-and-its-tax-cuts-it-cant-do-math/

[Scout]

"Gronk" <inv...@usenet.invalid> wrote in message

news:m7ap2r$2co$1...@news.mixmin.net...

> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> "Scout" <me4...@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>> news:m6sgnu$mvj$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gronk" <inv...@usenet.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:m6sbqq$v1g$4...@news.mixmin.net...
>>>> http://www.newsminer.com/opinion/editorials/alaska-needs-budget-leader
>>>> ship-bold-solutions-needed-to-fill-revenue/article_f1e95e08-82a5-11e4-
>>>> be38-534952d217c4.html
>>>>
>>>> Alaska needs budget leadership: Bold solutions needed to fill revenue
>>>> hole left by low oil prices
>>>>
>>>> What this means is the state government is facing a $3.5 billion
>>>> deficit for the current fiscal year, an increase of about $2 billion
>>>> more than the deficit projection made in April.
>>>
>>> And California is running $28 Billion deficit, Illinois is running at
>>> $15 Billion, Minnesota is over $6 Billion,
>>
>>
>> And in Republican Texas the state debt has climbed
>> to $340 billion, or $13,083 per person.
>>
>> http://ballotpedia.org/Texas_state_budget
>>
>> And your point is.........?
>
> How come these fiscal conservatives are running up the tab?
>
> Alaska's budget
> http://omb.alaska.gov/ombfiles/15_budget/PDFs/SLA2014_Press_Packet.pdf
>
> California
> http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-california-budget-legislature-20140615-story.html

Meanwhile, even though Alaska is running a defict due to reduced fuel prices
their debt is only $11.1 Billion.

California on the other hand has a debt of $424.6 Billion.

Seems overall the fiscal conservatives have done a much better job that the
liberal spenders.

[Mitchell Holman]

"Scout" <me4...@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
news:m7au9r$f15$1...@dont-email.me:

You are missing the point. Why are "fiscal
conservatives" in states like Texas and Alaska
amassing ANY debt?





Post-Palin Alaska has largest debt burden in US
March 31st, 2010

Sarah Palin has long sold herself as a fiscal
conservative, arguing against the Democrats'
health overhaul on the grounds that the nation
simply can't afford it.

But when the former vice presidential candidate
resigned as governor of Alaska in the summer of
2009, she left the state with a 70 percent debt-
to-GDP ratio -- the highest state debt burden in
the United States. That's according to data
compiled by the Washington Independent's Megan
Carpentier, who notes that Alaska has a debt
burden similar to "that of Jordan and Palins
favorite health care resource, Canada."

By comparison, crisis-stricken California has a
debt ratio of less than 40 percent. All the more
confounding about Alaska's debt is the fact that
it is an oil-producing region with a small
population to share in that wealth. Oil-rich Alberta,
Canada, for example, collects no sales tax and still
managed to retire its debt entirely in 2004.
http://tinyurl.com/674yf62

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:55:07 -0700, Gronk <inv...@usenet.invalid>
wrote:

>Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> "Scout" <me4...@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>> news:m6sgnu$mvj$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gronk" <inv...@usenet.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:m6sbqq$v1g$4...@news.mixmin.net...
>>>> http://www.newsminer.com/opinion/editorials/alaska-needs-budget-leader
>>>> ship-bold-solutions-needed-to-fill-revenue/article_f1e95e08-82a5-11e4-
>>>> be38-534952d217c4.html
>>>>
>>>> Alaska needs budget leadership: Bold solutions needed to fill revenue
>>>> hole left by low oil prices
>>>>
>>>> What this means is the state government is facing a $3.5 billion
>>>> deficit for the current fiscal year, an increase of about $2 billion
>>>> more than the deficit projection made in April.
>>>
>>> And California is running $28 Billion deficit, Illinois is running at
>>> $15 Billion, Minnesota is over $6 Billion,
>>
>>
>> And in Republican Texas the state debt has climbed
>> to $340 billion, or $13,083 per person.
>>
>> http://ballotpedia.org/Texas_state_budget
>>
>> And your point is.........?
>
>How come these fiscal conservatives are running up the tab?

How come you lied when you typed out your subject line?

[Scout]

"Mitchell Holman" <noe...@att.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA40C4F5BAA1...@216.166.97.131...

Ah, so anything less that 100% perfection isn't good enough......yet you're
willing to accept the performance of the fiscal liberals.

[Mitchell Holman]

"Scout" <me4...@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
news:m7d46p$oa7$1...@dont-email.me:

That's right.

Conservatives rant about the evils of deficit spending
until THEY get into power, and then....well...things change.

"Reagan proved that deficits don't matter"
Dick Cheney, Jan 2004

[Al Czervik]

It's funny how liberals rail against conservatives but then the look to
them for leadership.

[Scout]

"Mitchell Holman" <noe...@att.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA40CDB4AEE4...@216.166.97.131...

Correct, things change, the liberal spending is reduced, deficits tend to
decline and debt creation tends to be smaller.

But hey, it's not like they need to be better that the spending
liberals.....you demand nothing short of utter perfection.

So tell me......since spending liberals are even further from perfect, why
do you support their deficits, their debts, their fiscal irresponsibility?

[Mitchell Holman]

"Scout" <me4...@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
news:m7e1l9$jas$1...@dont-email.me:

If Republicans cannot manage their own debt
why should we trust them to manage the public's?




Chairman: Republican Party is $23M in debt
USA TODAY
Jan 31 2011

The new chairman of the Republican National Committee
is being candid about the GOP's financial troubles,
issuing a statement that the party is $23 million in
debt -- more than what a new campaign finance report
says.

Reince Priebus, the RNC chairman, says the party has
$15 million in outstanding loans and owes $8 million
to vendors. The GOP's year-end report to the Federal
Election Commission, filed in Washington today, shows
$21 million in red ink.
http://tinyurl.com/3mwqc5j

[Scout]

"Mitchell Holman" <noe...@att.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA40D63034D2...@216.166.97.131...

And yet you would trust Democrats who do even a worse job managing their
debt.

[Mitchell Holman]

"Scout" <me4...@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
news:m7fitb$8se$1...@dont-email.me:

Who was the last president to draft and
submit a balance budget to congress, again?

[Scout]

"Mitchell Holman" <noe...@att.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA40ED77BF84...@216.166.97.131...

So it's not a matter of general performance......but isolated cases?

Interesting standard for determining overall performance.

Oh, and the last President to have a surplus was a Republican. Which IMO,
counts for a heck of a lot more than merely having a plan...which still
resulted in a deficit. So if you want to go that route, action speaks louder
than words.

Anyway, let me just acknowledge your attempt to change the subject to avoid
confronting the point I made.

[Al Czervik]

It's no surprise that you don't know that the budget is written and
voted on by congress and submitted *TO* the president for signature.

[Mitchell Holman]

"Scout" <me4...@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
news:m7ipq7$h60$1...@dont-email.me:

Clinton reduced the deficit every
year he was in office and finally turned
it into a surplus. Who was the last GOP
president to do that?



Federal deficit in 1993 = 300 Billion
Federal deficit in 1994 = 259 Billion
Federal deficit in 1995 = 226 Billion
Federal deficit in 1996 = 174 Billion
Federal deficit in 1997 = 103 Billion
Federal deficit in 1998 = 30 Billion
Federal deficit in 1999 = 0 (1.9 billion SURPLUS)
Federal deficit in 2000 = 0 (86.3 billion SURPLUS)



http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=1821&sequence=0

[Scout]

"Mitchell Holman" <noe...@att.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA410BC97D51...@216.166.97.131...

No, he produced a BUDGET surplus, he still ran a deficit.

> Who was the last GOP
> president to do that?

The last time we actually had a surplus.

> Federal deficit in 1993 = 300 Billion
> Federal deficit in 1994 = 259 Billion
> Federal deficit in 1995 = 226 Billion
> Federal deficit in 1996 = 174 Billion
> Federal deficit in 1997 = 103 Billion
> Federal deficit in 1998 = 30 Billion
> Federal deficit in 1999 = 0 (1.9 billion SURPLUS)
> Federal deficit in 2000 = 0 (86.3 billion SURPLUS)

And any savings wiped out by Obama and his Trillion Dollar deficits.

Oh and your chart above is a lie. You labeled it as Federal deficits, but
your numbers are BUDGET deficits. They are two utterly different things.

[Al Czervik]

> The Republican congress that took control in 1995 had an outstanding
> budget record until Democrats took control in 2007.

Word.

[Gronk]

Zing!

[Gronk]

Says right in the article "3.5 billion deficit"...

[Gronk]

You need to re-read the Cheney quote...

[Gronk]

Zing again.

[Gronk]

It's no surprise that you don't know the White House ALSO prepares a budget

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Management_and_Budget

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 14:06:12 -0700, Gronk <inv...@usenet.invalid>
wrote:

How come you lied in your subject line? It says right there in the
article they are NOT "running a 3.5$ billion deficit."

Can't you read?

[Al Czervik]

I know what he said. You either disagree with what he has said, in which
case the Democrats are much worse, or you agree with what he said and
you are looking to him for validation.

[Al Czervik]

It doesn't mean shit. The Republicans in the Senate forced a vote on
Obama's fucked up budget *TWICE* and it didn't get a single vote either
time - not even an asshole Democrat voted for the President's lame-brain
ideas.

[Gronk]

http://www.newsminer.com/opinion/editorials/alaska-needs-budget-leadership-bold-solutions-needed-to-fill-revenue/article_f1e95e08-82a5-11e4-be38-534952d217c4.html

Alaska needs budget leadership: Bold solutions needed to fill revenue hole
left by low oil prices

What this means is the state government is facing a $3.5 billion deficit
for the current fiscal year, an increase of about $2 billion more than the
deficit projection made in April.

http://www.adn.com/article/20141227/walker-orders-new-spending-alaska-megaprojects-stopped

New Alaska Gov. Bill Walker announced Saturday that he’d put six
high-profile state infrastructure projects on hold, citing Alaska’s $3.5
billion budget deficit that’s grown as oil prices have steeply dropped.

[Gronk]

Wrong. Cheney validates that the GOP is a pack of big spenders and hypocrites.

[Gronk]

It means you were wrong again.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Thu, 01 Jan 2015 16:22:53 -0700, Gronk <inv...@usenet.invalid>

LOL

You really are one brainless motherfucker.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Thu, 01 Jan 2015 16:21:20 -0700, Gronk <inv...@usenet.invalid>

Oh I get it.

You're just an illiterate third grader.

You're too fucking stupid to comprehend the difference between "facing
a deficit" and "running a deficit."

Future tense, past tense..... all a mystery to you.

Gotcha.

[Gaylord Perry]

Klaus Schadenfreude was thinking very hard :

> You're too fucking stupid to comprehend the difference between "facing
> a deficit" and "running a deficit."
>
> Future tense, past tense..... all a mystery to you.

Speaking of education, former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin went to 5 US
colleges to get her liberal arts degree in communications.

She's 5 times smarter than those assholes who only went to one.

She can field dress a Moose and spit at Putin at the same time, because
they wave at each other across the Bering Strait.

She can see Russia from her house.

[Al Czervik]

And that is why you are quoting him to validate Democrats who are even
bigger spenders.

[Al Czervik]

It means the President doesn't write the budget that is voted on. You lose.

[Gronk]

SO deficits DO matter?

[Gronk]

This explains why deficits are a mystery to GOPers.

[Gronk]

Are you saying democrats use Reagan as their big spending example?

[Gronk]

It means you didn't know the White House also prepares a budget. You lost.

[Al Czervik]

They are showing him how to *REALLY* create a deficit.

Or do deficits matter?

[Al Czervik]

Of course I knew that. I've been making fun of Obama's budget since it
was voted on the first time.

You're the one who seems to think the President's budget is the one that
gets voted on.

You lose.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 18:00:04 -0700, Gronk <inv...@usenet.invalid>
wrote:

You're really squirming now, to try and get out of your lie.

That's good.

I like to watch your ilk squirm.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 18:01:23 -0700, Gronk <inv...@usenet.invalid>

This explains why lying is second nature to Democrats.

[Al Czervik]

On 1/5/2015 11:45 AM, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

> On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 22:34:33 -0800, Al Czervik
> <Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> And that is why you are quoting him to validate Democrats who are even
>>>> bigger spenders.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Are you saying democrats use Reagan as their big spending example?
>>
>> They are showing him how to *REALLY* create a deficit.
>>
>> Or do deficits matter?
>

> Depends on WHY they occur
>
> Since the 80's---the ONLY time when deficits went down---and a
> sensible means to eliminate debt occurred---was under Clinton and
> Democrats policies.

How is "Democrat policies" when 2/3rd of the elected federal government
is controlled by Republicans?

> We have massive debt and deficit because the TOP wealth and corporate
> class is now almost tax free (compared to income/profit)

If you raised the corporate income tax to be even higher than it is now,
the world's highest, companies are going to invert and leave more their
profits offshore.

> The NEED to address the ENTIRE nation's problems is being shortfalled
> because all that massive wealth is being transferred to the top 10%.

This was a terrible problem in 2009 and 2010 when Wall Street, who
donated far more to Obama than McCain, got a sweet handout from the
admin. This has changed a bit when the Republicans took control in 2011
and will be much better now that they have control of the Senate.

> See..?

I see why you live in section 8 housing in 6 degree weather and that you
couldn't go to T&C NM or Puerto Penasco even if you wanted to.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 12:46:24 -0700, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 05:32:34 -0800, Klaus Schadenfreude
><Klausscha...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>>You're really squirming now, to try and get out of your lie.
>>
>>That's good.
>

>Shitterpantzen

Poor Gary- shot his wad with the first word.

[chuckle]

[Scout]

"Gronk" <inv...@usenet.invalid> wrote in message

news:m7pr1i$kae$6...@news.mixmin.net...

> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> "Scout" <me4...@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in

>> news:m7au9r$f15$1...@dont-email.me:

>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gronk" <inv...@usenet.invalid> wrote in message

>>> news:m7ap2r$2co$1...@news.mixmin.net...

>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> "Scout" <me4...@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>>>>> news:m6sgnu$mvj$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gronk" <inv...@usenet.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:m6sbqq$v1g$4...@news.mixmin.net...
>>>>>>> http://www.newsminer.com/opinion/editorials/alaska-needs-budget-lea
>>>>>>> der
>>>>>>> ship-bold-solutions-needed-to-fill-revenue/article_f1e95e08-82a5-11
>>>>>>> e4- be38-534952d217c4.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alaska needs budget leadership: Bold solutions needed to fill
>>>>>>> revenue hole left by low oil prices
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What this means is the state government is facing a $3.5 billion
>>>>>>> deficit for the current fiscal year, an increase of about $2
>>>>>>> billion more than the deficit projection made in April.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And California is running $28 Billion deficit, Illinois is running
>>>>>> at $15 Billion, Minnesota is over $6 Billion,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And in Republican Texas the state debt has climbed
>>>>> to $340 billion, or $13,083 per person.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://ballotpedia.org/Texas_state_budget
>>>>>
>>>>> And your point is.........?
>>>>
>>>> How come these fiscal conservatives are running up the tab?
>>>>

>>>> Alaska's budget
>>>> http://omb.alaska.gov/ombfiles/15_budget/PDFs/SLA2014_Press_Packet.pdf
>>>>
>>>> California
>>>> http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-california-budget-legi

>>>> slature-20140615-story.html
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, even though Alaska is running a defict due to reduced fuel
>>> prices their debt is only $11.1 Billion.
>>>
>>> California on the other hand has a debt of $424.6 Billion.
>>>
>>> Seems overall the fiscal conservatives have done a much better job
>>> that the liberal spenders.
>>
>>
>> You are missing the point. Why are "fiscal
>> conservatives" in states like Texas and Alaska
>> amassing ANY debt?

Because the world is an imperfect place.

But apparently you have no issues with fiscal liberals running up massive
debts.

Seems you can't make up your mind if you like debt or not.

[Scout]

"Gronk" <inv...@usenet.invalid> wrote in message

news:m8cnmg$ra4$7...@news.mixmin.net...

Apparently not to you.

After all....every Trillion Dollar deficit in US history has Obama's
fingerprints all over them.

[Al Czervik]

It's bad:
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/under-obama-federal-debt-84266-full-time-private-sector-worker

[Gronk]

So GOPers are hypocrites.

[Gronk]

If you knew then you wouldn't have needed to be told about it.

The question "Who was the last president to draft and submit a balance
budget to congress" is a correct and valid one.

[Gronk]

Cheney is a GOPer - you and he are hypocrites.

[Gronk]

This explains why GOPers are the stupid party.

[Gronk]

The laugh here is why GOPers suddenly became concerned about deficits.

[Gronk]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/adding-to-the-deficit-bush-vs-obama/2012/01/31/gIQAQ0kFgQ_graphic.html
Since President Obama became chief executive, the national debt has risen
almost $5 trillion. But how much of that was because of policies passed by
Obama, and how much was caused by the financial crisis, the continuation of
past policies and other effects? For this analysis, we worked with the
Center on Budget and Policy Priorities to attach a price tag to the
legislation passed by Obama and his predecessor. George W. Bush’s major
policies increased the debt by more than $5 trillion during his
presidency. Obama has increased the debt by less than $1 trillion.

[Al Czervik]

And you are saying deficits don't matter - taking your lead from Dick
Cheney - who you are calling a hypocrite.

You paint yourself in a corner to show how stupid you are.

[Al Czervik]

You thought you were giving me new information because you had the
misapprehension that the President's budget is the one that gets voted on.

> The question "Who was the last president to draft and submit a balance
> budget to congress" is a correct and valid one.

Maybe Obama's budget was balanced and not a single member of the Senate
- not even one Democrat - voted for it. It's not a valid question
because congress writes the budget.

I'm not certain if Democrats hate the Constitution more than the
Constitution hates Democrats. Your a great example of the latter.

[Al Czervik]

And you are quoting Cheney as an example of leadership.

Good for you.

[Al Czervik]

Two thirds of us without a high school diploma vote for Democrats. They
are the Democrats most reliable education demographic.

They are the party of stupid.

[Al Czervik]

Shit from 2012...

Suck on some 2015 facts, asshat:
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/under-obama-federal-debt-84266-full-time-private-sector-worker

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 20:57:25 -0700, Gronk <inv...@usenet.invalid>
wrote:

>Cheney is a GOPer - you and he are hypocrites.

And you're a proven liar, since Alaska is NOT running a 3.5 billion
deficit.

You lose AGAIN.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 20:59:45 -0700, Gronk <inv...@usenet.invalid>
wrote:

>
>This explains why GOPers are the stupid party.

This explains why liberals have to lie about " Alaska running $3.5
BILLION deficit" when it is not.

[Gronk]

Actually I said you GOPers are hypocrites. Try to keep up.

[Gronk]

You "thought" - that's a laugh.

>> The question "Who was the last president to draft and submit a balance
>> budget to congress" is a correct and valid one.
>
> Maybe Obama's budget was balanced and not a single member of the Senate -
> not even one Democrat - voted for it. It's not a valid question because
> congress writes the budget.
>
> I'm not certain if Democrats hate the Constitution more than the
> Constitution hates Democrats. Your a great example of the latter.
>
>

Bush on the Constitution: it's a piece of paper.

[Gronk]

of hypocrisy.

[Gronk]

"us"? You don't have a HS diploma? You poor boy...

[Gronk]

Truth from 2012.

> Suck on some 2015 facts, asshat:
> http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/under-obama-federal-debt-84266-full-time-private-sector-worker
>
>

If only you GOP asshats would submit a balanced budget...
>

[Gronk]

win again


>

http://www.newsminer.com/opinion/editorials/alaska-needs-budget-leadership-bold-solutions-needed-to-fill-revenue/article_f1e95e08-82a5-11e4-be38-534952d217c4.html

Alaska needs budget leadership: Bold solutions needed to fill revenue hole
left by low oil prices

What this means is the state government is facing a $3.5 billion deficit
for the current fiscal year, an increase of about $2 billion more than the
deficit projection made in April.

http://www.adn.com/article/20141227/walker-orders-new-spending-alaska-megaprojects-stopped

New Alaska Gov. Bill Walker announced Saturday that he’d put six
high-profile state infrastructure projects on hold, citing Alaska’s $3.5
billion budget deficit that’s grown as oil prices have steeply dropped.

[Gronk]

Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 20:59:45 -0700, Gronk <inv...@usenet.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> This explains why GOPers are the stupid party.
>
> This explains

why GOPers are stupid themselves.

[Al Czervik]

[Al Czervik]

"You" thought. You were wrong.

>>> The question "Who was the last president to draft and submit a balance
>>> budget to congress" is a correct and valid one.
>>
>> Maybe Obama's budget was balanced and not a single member of the Senate -
>> not even one Democrat - voted for it. It's not a valid question because
>> congress writes the budget.
>>
>> I'm not certain if Democrats hate the Constitution more than the
>> Constitution hates Democrats. Your a great example of the latter.
>>
>
> Bush on the Constitution: it's a piece of paper.

Once again you look to Republicans for leadership.

[Al Czervik]

To justify your own.

[Al Czervik]

We are Americans. Maybe you aren't, but I am.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 1/14/2015 11:22 AM, Al Czervik wrote:
> How come these fiscal conservatives are running up the tab?

The Republican establishment is NOT conservative....


That's why there is a TEA PARTY and while the TEA PARTY HAS has success
it's still an up hill climb.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Obama had all the Legislating (house and senate) and his own Executive
branch, for two long years.... Obama/Democrats have not submitted a
budget that was passed, and that's for as long as Obama has been in
office.

[Just Wondering]

> If only GOP would submit a balanced budget...
>
That Dems would never vote for, and that if they did Obama would veto.

[Sn...@smack.com]

On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:08:37 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
<I-WAS-JUST-GANG-PROBED-BY-...@IRS.FBI.NSA.CIA.EPA.ObamaCare.gov>
wrote:

>On 1/14/2015 11:22 AM, Al Czervik wrote:
>> How come these fiscal conservatives are running up the tab?
>
>
>The Republican establishment is NOT conservative...

Sure---and thats how we tell the insane from the sane now running this
nation.

Not one of the mad-whackoff tea-nuts got a fart brain between them

[Sn...@smack.com]

On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:18:31 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
<I-WAS-JUST-GANG-PROBED-BY-...@IRS.FBI.NSA.CIA.EPA.ObamaCare.gov>
wrote:

>Obama had all the Legislating (house and senate) and his own Executive
>branch, for two long years.... Obama/Democrats have not submitted a
>budget that was passed, and that's for as long as Obama has been in
>office.

WRONG

At no time did Obama have CONTROL of the Legislative branch---and by
virtue of "blocking", "Filibuster"--the Republican'ts refused ALL
legislation he attempted.

The house (controlled by the GOP) (except a small majority for 2
years) got legislation shot down by Filibuster by a few in the senate

THe house is the fiscal charge of budgets----the president can submit
one for THEIR consideration

They have refused to do anything remotely right for ALL
americans----instead allowing 80% of ALL money to now be funnledto the
top 10%.

IDIOT

[Sn...@smack.com]

For the reason that the top 10% are NOT paying a "fair share" of the
massive income THEY are getting.

Nor are the corporations and top wealth class of all kinds

As for "CNS news"----Tis to laugh

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 1/14/2015 4:39 PM, Sn...@smack.com wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:18:31 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
> <I-WAS-JUST-GANG-PROBED-BY-...@IRS.FBI.NSA.CIA.EPA.ObamaCare.gov>
> wrote:
>
>> Obama had all the Legislating (house and senate) and his own Executive
>> branch, for two long years.... Obama/Democrats have not submitted a
>> budget that was passed, and that's for as long as Obama has been in
>> office.
>
>
> WRONG
>
> At no time did Obama have CONTROL of the Legislative branch---and by
> virtue of "blocking", "Filibuster"--the Republican'ts refused ALL
> legislation he attempted.
>
> The house (controlled by the GOP) (except a small majority for 2
> years) got legislation shot down by Filibuster by a few in the senate

The Democrats passed ObamaCare with ZERO Republican votes.

They could have done the same for any Legislation they considered to be
worthy, like maybe a BUDGET.

[Scout]

<Sn...@smack.com> wrote in message
news:ckodba56ciacmgo73...@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:39:46 -0700, Just Wondering
> <fmh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>On 1/14/2015 8:36 AM, Gronk wrote:
>>> Al Czervik wrote:
>>>
>>>> Suck on some 2015 facts, asshat:
>>>> http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/under-obama-federal-debt-84266-full-time-private-sector-worker
>>>
>>> If only GOP would submit a balanced budget...
>>>
>>That Dems would never vote for, and that if they did Obama would veto.
>
> For the reason that the top 10% are NOT paying a "fair share" of the
> massive income THEY are getting.

Please define for us exactly what each person's "fair share" should be.

-------> insert your specific answer here.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

I think each person should determine what their fair share is, then the
IRS can post it online for the rest of us to see.

Liberals are notoriously cheap.

They will no doubt keep more of their income than the rest of the people.

[Gronk]

Cheney said Reagan proved deficits don't matter. So GOP hypocrisy is
evidenced even by Saint Reagan. Please try to keep up.

[Gronk]

You call that leadership? HAHAHHHHAHHA

[Gronk]

Show GOPers are NOT fiscally responsible.

[Gronk]

But you are without a HS diploma...

[Gronk]

How many balanced budgets did GOP congresses ever submit?

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Alaska is being crippled on it's oil production since *Federal*
*Democrats* won't allow the Republican Alaskans to drill the oil in ANWR
to produce any revenue.

[Al Czervik]

You either agree with Cheney that deficits don't mater or you don't. If
you do then you are Cheney's bitch. If you don't then Obama's a fuck up.

You choose.

[Al Czervik]

It's hard to imagine how stupid you could be to think I'm a Democrat.

[Gronk]

Oh? Did you not notice how oil prices have fallen?

And

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/20/alaska-oil-wealth-checks_n_972489.html

Alaska Oil Wealth Nets State Residents $1,174 Checks

[Gronk]

You either a hypocrite like Cheney or you aren't. If you do then you are
Cheney's lackey. If you do't then you are just stupid.

[Gronk]

It's hard to image how stupid you could be to think that flunking out
of first grade is the equivalent of a HS diploma.

[Al Czervik]

Which one do you choose?

[Gronk]

Here's your choice - you're a hypocrite like Cheney, or you are stupid.
Actually it's the same thing...