Why do "liberals" hate America?

[Delvin Benet]

There isn't any doubt that "liberals" /do/ hate America:

A new [in May 2010] Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey
finds that 51% of voters nationwide believe the United States is the
last best hope of mankind. Twenty-six percent (26%) disagree, and
24% are not sure.

Conservatives overwhelmingly believe that the United States is the
last best hope. However, by a 43% to 29% margin, liberals disagree.

Just 31% of those in the Political Class see the United States in
such positive terms (see more on the Political Class), compared to
58% of Mainstream voters. ["Political class" = "liberal" elite]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/may_2010/51_say_united_states_is_last_best_hope_of_mankind


But it's actually worse than that. "Liberals" don't merely believe that
America isn't the last best hope; they actively believe that America is
a relentless force for evil.

"Liberals" hate all of the core features of the United States that made
it a great country:

* government by consent of the governed - no permanent ruling class
* extreme protection of private property
* individual responsibility - the individual is ultimately responsible
for his welfare
* private enterprise economy
* individual right to self defense
* no state thumb on the scales based on race, religion, creed, etc.


Illiberal "liberals" always think they have an "Aha!" over this last one
because of the incorporation of slavery at the inception of the country.
That's false, of course, because 1) slavery is gone, and 2) no
libertarian or conservative defends it. Once upon a time, the
government thumb was on the scales against blacks. More recently, it
has been placed decisively on the scales to favor blacks, as well as
other self-defined "aggrieved" groups whom "liberals" encourage to
nurture a sense of grievance.

"Liberals" hate America. Every change "liberals" want to make will make
Americans less free, less in control of their individual destinies, more
reliant on the supposedly good intentions of the "political class".
Death to "liberalism" - it's bad for America.

[Ramon F Herrera]

Why do conservatives have disdain for science, logic, academia, etc.?

http://tinyurl.com/yfyjv8w

-RFH

[George Plimpton]

On 9/15/2011 11:48 AM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:

[...bullshit snipped...]

Why do liberals have disdain for science, logic and critical thinking?

[Ramon F Herrera]

The reservoirs of intellect in America are located in:

- Academia: strongly Liberal. The better the school, the more
Liberal.

- Hollywood, entertainment: Extremely Liberal (there are less than 10
conservatives in Hollywood).

- Research, Scientists: Definitely Liberal (can you say e-vo-lu-ti-
on?)

- High Tech (Google, Apple, etc):

- Media: Substantially Liberal. The more respected (NYT, Washington
Post, LA Times, CNN) are more Liberal.

Since I feel sorry for you folks and don't want your side to lose by
unanimity, I will give you one:

- Wall Street: May tend to Conservative

-Ramon

[George Plimpton]

On 9/15/2011 12:12 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>
> On Sep 15, 1:54 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not> wrote:
>> On 9/15/2011 11:48 AM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>>
>> [...bullshit snipped...]
>>
>> Why do liberals have disdain for science, logic and critical thinking?
>
> The reservoirs of intellect in America are located in

primarily in business, the Cato Foundation, the Reason Foundation,
Manhattan Institute, and American Enterprise Institute. Heritage
Foundation gets honorable mention.

[Cambridge Ray]

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201003/why-liberals-are-more-intelligent-conservatives

http://tinyurl.com/yfyjv8w

On Sep 15, 2:12 pm, Ramon F Herrera <gopos...@jonjay.com> wrote:
> On Sep 15, 1:54 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>
> > On 9/15/2011 11:48 AM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>
> > [...bullshit snipped...]
>
> > Why do liberals have disdain for science, logic and critical thinking?
>
> The reservoirs of intellect in America are located in:
>
> - Academia: strongly Liberal. The better the school, the more
> Liberal.
>
> - Hollywood, entertainment: Extremely Liberal (there are less than 10
> conservatives in Hollywood).
>
> - Research, Scientists: Definitely Liberal (can you say e-vo-lu-ti-
> on?)
>

> - High Tech (Google, Apple, etc):

Al Gore sits in the board of Apple. Meanwhile, McCain contends that
the iPhone is Made in the USA and GWB sees many Internets.

http://investor.apple.com/faq.cfm?FaqSetID=6

-Ramon

[George Plimpton]

Raymond Herrera, comically masquerading as Cambridge Ray, LIED:

>
> http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201003/why-liberals-are-more-intelligent-conservatives
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yfyjv8w
>
> On Sep 15, 2:12 pm, Ramon F Herrera<gopos...@jonjay.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 15, 1:54 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/15/2011 11:48 AM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>>
>>> [...bullshit snipped...]
>>
>>> Why do liberals have disdain for science, logic and critical thinking?
>>
>> The reservoirs of intellect in America are located in:

Business, mostly.

[Cambridge Ray]

On Sep 15, 2:27 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:

>> The reservoirs of intellect in America are located in
>
> primarily in business

"provide, under certain strict qualification criteria, a pathway to
legal status for undocumented workers currently in the United States."

http://www.uschamber.com/issues/immigration

> the Cato Foundation [sic, the actual name is Cato Institute]

"In contrast, legalization of low-skilled immigrant workers would
yield significant income gains for American workers and households.
Legalization would eliminate smugglers' fees and other costs faced by
illegal immigrants. It would also allow immigrants to have higher
productivity and create more openings for Americans in higherskilled
occupations. The positive impact for U.S. households of legalization
under an optimal visa tax would be 1.27 percent of GDP or $180
billion."

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10438

-Ramon

[Cambridge Ray]

On Sep 15, 2:27 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> Heritage Foundation gets honorable mention.

Which Heritage Foundation? The one that recently created a web site in
Spanish and supports a Path to Citizenship? That Heritage Foundation?

http://www.libertad.org/

http://www.libertad.org/arreglar-todo-el-sistema-de-inmigracion/

They seem to be on my side, not yours...

-Ramon

[George Plimpton]

On 9/15/2011 12:33 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
>
> On Sep 15, 2:27 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not> wrote:
>
> >> The reservoirs of intellect in America are located in
> >
> > primarily in business
>
> "provide, under certain strict qualification criteria, a pathway to
> legal status for undocumented workers currently in the United States."

"*under certain strict qualification criteria*"

Well, so much for your open borders policy...

[George Plimpton]

On 9/15/2011 12:41 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
>
> On Sep 15, 2:27 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not> wrote:
>> Heritage Foundation gets honorable mention.
>
> Which Heritage Foundation? The one that recently created a web site in
> Spanish and supports a Path to Citizenship? That Heritage Foundation?

No, they don't:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2010/09/Adding-DREAM-Act-to-Defense-Bill-Is-Another-Form-of-Amnesty

They also oppose anchor-baby citizenship:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Commentary/2010/08/Should-the-Children-of-Illegal-Aliens-Be-US-Citizens

[Cambridge Ray]

Nobody is for open borders. One illegal immigrant is one too many:

- Following a nice American tradition since 1776, illegal immigrants
are against open borders.

- The narcos are against open borders, for the price of their product
would plummet.

Any idiot who is open border (the total of them can be counted with
the fingers of one hand... okay, two hands) may be safely ignored and
they have zero political power.

-Ramon

[George Plimpton]

On 9/15/2011 12:48 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
> On Sep 15, 2:43 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not> wrote:
>> On 9/15/2011 12:33 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 15, 2:27 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>
>>> >> The reservoirs of intellect in America are located in
>>
>>> > primarily in business
>>
>>> "provide, under certain strict qualification criteria, a pathway to
>>> legal status for undocumented workers currently in the United States."
>>
>
> > "*under certain strict qualification criteria*"
> >
> > Well, so much for your open borders policy...
>
> Nobody is for open borders. One illegal immigrant is one too many:
>
> - Following a nice American tradition since 1776, illegal immigrants
> are against open borders.

Nope - illegal immigrants are the *epitome* of an open borders problem.

[Cambridge Ray]

On Sep 15, 2:47 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> On 9/15/2011 12:41 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 15, 2:27 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not>  wrote:
> >> Heritage Foundation gets honorable mention.
>
> > Which Heritage Foundation? The one that recently created a web site in
> > Spanish and supports a Path to Citizenship? That Heritage Foundation?
>

> No, they don't:
>

> http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2010/09/Adding-DREAM-Act-to-...
>
> They also oppose anchor-baby citizenship:http://www.heritage.org/Research/Commentary/2010/08/Should-the-Childr...

I guess they write one thing in English and another in Spanish. Seems
to be a problem of crappy translators... NOT!

-Ramon

[George Plimpton]

I guess you lied about what they wrote.

[Sunny]

bingo

[DCI]

Extreme liberals have established themselves on the far outer edges of
reality, completely freed from accountability, responsibility,
reliability.

[Cambridge Ray]

After re-reading it, I guess you guys are correct. The Heritage
Foundation is located to the right of Attila the Hun, they are anti-
business, and are among those who are committing demographic suicide.

- Cato is in the top, pro-business car.

- Heritage is in the bottom, anti-business car.

(guess in what car the haters are?)

http://patriot.net/~ramon/GOP-Stake.gif

It is funny how some go so far to the right that become socialist
pinko commies. But we knew that: extremes are vicious, extremes touch
each other.

-Ramon

[RFID Tag Deported Felon Mexicans]

In article <dcb7c7d0-6b63-4f53-ba28-
d3c6e8...@y4g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>
Ramon F Herrera <gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:
>
>
> Why do conservatives

laugh at liberals when they try and claim superior intellect?

Look at Obama and the morons he surrounded hmiself with and the
idiots he panders to.

He looks for those possessing the lowest level of education and
intelligence to vote for him.

Every single one of them is too stupid to pour piss out of a
boot.

[George Plimpton]

On 9/15/2011 1:28 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
> On Sep 15, 2:50 pm, Cambridge Ray<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>> On Sep 15, 2:47 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/15/2011 12:41 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
>>
>>>> On Sep 15, 2:27 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>>>> Heritage Foundation gets honorable mention.
>>
>>>> Which Heritage Foundation? The one that recently created a web site in
>>>> Spanish and supports a Path to Citizenship? That Heritage Foundation?
>>
>>> No, they don't:
>>
>>> http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2010/09/Adding-DREAM-Act-to-...
>>
>>> They also oppose anchor-baby citizenship:http://www.heritage.org/Research/Commentary/2010/08/Should-the-Childr...
>>
>> I guess they write one thing in English and another in Spanish. Seems
>> to be a problem of crappy translators... NOT!
>>
>> -Ramon
>
>
> After re-reading it, I guess you guys are correct.

You never read anything from them in the first place. You were just
bullshitting in support of your racist agenda.

> The Heritage Foundation is located to the right of Attila the Hun,

Meaningless demonization.



> they are anti-business,

No, they are staunchly pro-business and pro-America. They're the
opposite of you left-wing cultural nihilists.

[Cambridge Ray]

On Sep 15, 3:53 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> On 9/15/2011 1:28 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 15, 2:50 pm, Cambridge Ray<ra...@conexus.net>  wrote:
> >> On Sep 15, 2:47 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not>  wrote:
>
> >>> On 9/15/2011 12:41 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
>
> >>>> On Sep 15, 2:27 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not>    wrote:
> >>>>> Heritage Foundation gets honorable mention.
>
> >>>> Which Heritage Foundation? The one that recently created a web site in
> >>>> Spanish and supports a Path to Citizenship? That Heritage Foundation?
>
> >>> No, they don't:
>
> >>>http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2010/09/Adding-DREAM-Act-to-...
>
> >>> They also oppose anchor-baby citizenship:http://www.heritage.org/Research/Commentary/2010/08/Should-the-Childr...
>
> >> I guess they write one thing in English and another in Spanish. Seems
> >> to be a problem of crappy translators...  NOT!
>
> >> -Ramon
>
> > After re-reading it, I guess you guys are correct.
>

> You never read anything from them in the first place.
> You were just bullshitting in support of your racist agenda.

"Mi colega de Heritage James Jay Carafano dice que algunos políticos
se están arriesgando a que los encasillen en el argumento de que todo
lo que hace falta es asegurar la frontera. “Desde hace varios años, el
mantra de los republicanos ha sido un ‘asegurar primero la frontera’.
Eso les permitió parecer firmes con el asunto de la inmigración ilegal
mientras esquivaban el tema de una reforma ‘integral’. Es una mala
estrategia. Sugiere que, si la administración Obama arregla el
problema de ‘asegurar primero la frontera’, no habrá problema para
impulsar la amnistía”

They mention "secure the border first". After a closer reading one
notices: "es una mala estrategia" (it is a bad strategy).

Racist? Moi? Against what race? My white race?

If racism (ie hate) is on my side, how come all churches support my
side? How come zero churches support yours?

-Ramon

[Cambridge Ray]

Why do you call us leftists?
-Signed:
- The US Chamber of Commerce
- The Cato Institute
- Rupert Murdoch and His Gang
- All White Houses since Reagan until Obama
- All US Churches

-RFH

[George Plimpton]

We've been through this before. The left - your side - corrupted the
words "racist"/"racism" and drained them of meaning. When a patriotic
American like me says I want to prevent illegal Hispanic aliens from
entering the country, you left-wing extremists call me "racist". So,
you're the problem - you corrupted the word.

So, using the word as the left has fucked it up, your pro-Hispanic
illegal alien agenda is racist. Good, we're clear on that, and you
don't need to play your bullshit game again.

Your agenda is racist because it is based on your wrong-headed view that
your ethnic group has interests that ought to be advanced at the expense
of people in other groups. You want uncontrolled entry to the US for
Spanish speaking, darker skinned, dark haired aliens, because you think
the US would be "better" if it had more of them. Your concern only
extends to your kind; you aren't advocating for unrestricted entry for
Asians or Africans.

[Frank]

I always felt the super rich Democrat congress critters chose the party
as their followers were easier to dupe ;)

[Cambridge Ray]

There is no racism without hate.

If C.I.R. (which implies a Path to Citizenship) is based on hate how
come the Cato Institute and all churches support it?

-RFH

[George Plimpton]

On 9/15/2011 2:46 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
>
> There is no racism without hate.

We addressed that, too. It's false.

[Ramon F Herrera]

So you claim:

(a) Racism is bad (because you reject CIR for being based on it).

(b) Is not as bad as hate.

(c) CIR does not contain hate.

Allow me to rephrase the question:

If C.I.R. (which implies a Path to Citizenship) is based on racism
(which is bad) how come the Cato Institute and all churches support
it?

-RFH

[George Plimpton]

On 9/15/2011 3:08 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> On Sep 15, 4:55 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not> wrote:
>> On 9/15/2011 2:46 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> There is no racism without hate.
>>
>
>> We addressed that, too. It's false.
>
> So you claim:

So we have established.

Racism is a belief that race matters, that it determines who a person
is. Racism says that in evaluating a person for something, we ought to
look at the person's skin color or ethnic origin rather than his
character and ability.

Racism is a belief that the USA would be "better" if it had more
non-whites in it.

[plainolamerican]

----
the CI says there is economic benefits from the legalization of
illegal workers.
ok, how about we legalize them and make them responsible for their
crimes?
if not, then deportation is in order. They either pay for their crimes
or get the fuck out.
churches support it because they're subservient to their socialist,
open border, multicultural zionist masters

[Karl]

"Delvin Benet" <DB@nbc.nıt> wrote in message
news:zZidnQGAsNgE3-_T...@giganews.com...
> There isn't any doubt that "liberals" /do/ hate America:
>
> A new [in May 2010] Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey
> finds that 51% of voters nationwide believe the United States is the
> last best hope of mankind. Twenty-six percent (26%) disagree, and
> 24% are not sure.
>
> Conservatives overwhelmingly believe that the United States is the
> last best hope. However, by a 43% to 29% margin, liberals disagree.
>
> Just 31% of those in the Political Class see the United States in
> such positive terms (see more on the Political Class), compared to
> 58% of Mainstream voters. ["Political class" = "liberal" elite]
>
> http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/may_2010/51_say_united_states_is_last_best_hope_of_mankind
>
>
> But it's actually worse than that. "Liberals" don't merely believe that
> America isn't the last best hope; they actively believe that America is a
> relentless force for evil.
>
> "Liberals" hate all of the core features of the United States that made it
> a great country:
>
> * government by consent of the governed - no permanent ruling class
> * extreme protection of private property
> * individual responsibility - the individual is ultimately responsible
> for his welfare
> * private enterprise economy
> * individual right to self defense
> * no state thumb on the scales based on race, religion, creed, etc.
>
>
> Illiberal "liberals" always think they have an "Aha!" over this last one
> because of the incorporation of slavery at the inception of the country.
> That's false, of course, because 1) slavery is gone, and 2) no libertarian
> or conservative defends it. Once upon a time, the government thumb was on
> the scales against blacks. More recently, it has been placed decisively
> on the scales to favor blacks, as well as other self-defined "aggrieved"
> groups whom "liberals" encourage to nurture a sense of grievance.
>
> "Liberals" hate America. Every change "liberals" want to make will make
> Americans less free, less in control of their individual destinies, more
> reliant on the supposedly good intentions of the "political class". Death
> to "liberalism" - it's bad for America.

No Liberals feel CONSERVATIVES are a force of evil...sort of like Nazis,
Fascists, & rightwing dictators

Face it, YOU are evil!

[Sunny]

On 9/15/2011 5:05 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
> On Sep 15, 3:53 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not> wrote:
>> On 9/15/2011 1:28 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 15, 2:50 pm, Cambridge Ray<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>>>> On Sep 15, 2:47 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On 9/15/2011 12:41 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On Sep 15, 2:27 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>>>>>> Heritage Foundation gets honorable mention.
>>
>>>>>> Which Heritage Foundation? The one that recently created a web site in
>>>>>> Spanish and supports a Path to Citizenship? That Heritage Foundation?
>>
>>>>> No, they don't:
>>

>>>>> http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2010/09/Adding-DREAM-Act-to-....

>>
>>>>> They also oppose anchor-baby citizenship:http://www.heritage.org/Research/Commentary/2010/08/Should-the-Childr...
>>
>>>> I guess they write one thing in English and another in Spanish. Seems
>>>> to be a problem of crappy translators... NOT!
>>
>>>> -Ramon
>>
>>> After re-reading it, I guess you guys are correct.
>>
>> You never read anything from them in the first place. You were just
>> bullshitting in support of your racist agenda.
>>
>>> The Heritage Foundation is located to the right of Attila the Hun,
>>
>> Meaningless demonization.
>>
>>> they are anti-business,
>>
>
> > No, they are staunchly pro-business and pro-America.
> > They're the opposite of you left-wing cultural nihilists.
>
> Why do you call us leftists?
> -Signed:
> - The US Chamber of Commerce
> - The Cato Institute
> - Rupert Murdoch and His Gang
> - All White Houses since Reagan until Obama
> - All US Churches
>
> -RFH

you speak for yourself.
stop pretending you speak for others.
that is lying.

[Mr.Sandman]

What is an "open borders problem?"

[George Plimpton]

If Raymond didn't lie, dissimulate, mislead and fabricate, he wouldn't
know what to do.

[George Plimpton]

Letting anyone who wants to cross the border do so.

[Cambridge Ray]

Okay, how come the undocumented immigrants belong to all possible
races?

-Ramon

[Mr.Sandman]

That is not an answer. The U.S does not have an open border policy.
In fact, it is the other way around. If the rules were not so strict,
most people would come through the front door. As to why certain people
cross the border illegally, I've no idea why they do that. They must be
very stupid or very desperate. Maybe they've been told by their friends
and governments that they stand zero chances of entering legally.
United States needs more dialogue with Mexico and the rest of Latin
America. If Latin Americans are the biggest offenders, they should be
given an incentive for not doing so.

[f. barnes]

Okay, then why are those who want the undocumented illegal alien
migrants deported called racists. Can a person be racist against
every race? Is it their race he doesn't like, or is it that
undocumented illegal alien quality about them that he doesn't like?

Do those who are called racists against some particular race for
wanting undocumented illegal aliens deported ever show their racism by
demonstrating or writing letters to congress to try and prevent
undocumented illegal aliens of some other race from being deported?

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Sep 15, 3:42 pm, "RFID Tag Deported Felon Mexicans"
<rejectob...@whitehouse.gov> wrote:
> In article <dcb7c7d0-6b63-4f53-ba28-
> d3c6e8160...@y4g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>

> Ramon F Herrera <gopos...@jonjay.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Why do conservatives
>
> laugh at liberals when they try and claim superior intellect?
>
> Look at Obama and the morons he surrounded hmiself with and the
> idiots he panders to.
>
> He looks for those possessing the lowest level of education and
> intelligence to vote for him.
>
> Every single one of them is too stupid to pour piss out of a
> boot.

LOL..conservatives are the only ones who have to pour piss out of
their boots.

That is when they are not full of crap.

TMT

[Marvin the Martian]

Do note that liberals lie about many issues. The pretend to care but only
because they can use it to slam a conservative or a neo-con; for example,
the Iraq and Afghan wars - bad under Bush, not worth mentioning under
Obama. The TSA, bad under Bush, acceptable under Obama. National debt;
bad under Bush, acceptable under Obama. The list is endless.

A "liberal" is someone who whines about the abuses of power done under a
Republican administration, but turns around and demands a bigger, more
powerful government.

You can't reason with them, they're irrational.

[George Plimpton]

On 9/15/2011 5:13 PM, Mr.Sandman wrote:
> On 9/15/2011 7:07 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 9/15/2011 3:45 PM, Mr.Sandman wrote:
>>> On 9/15/2011 3:50 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 9/15/2011 12:48 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 15, 2:43 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/15/2011 12:33 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 15, 2:27 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >> The reservoirs of intellect in America are located in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > primarily in business
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "provide, under certain strict qualification criteria, a pathway to
>>>>>>> legal status for undocumented workers currently in the United
>>>>>>> States."
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > "*under certain strict qualification criteria*"
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Well, so much for your open borders policy...
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody is for open borders. One illegal immigrant is one too many:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Following a nice American tradition since 1776, illegal immigrants
>>>>> are against open borders.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope - illegal immigrants are the *epitome* of an open borders problem.
>>>
>>> What is an "open borders problem?"
>>
>> Letting anyone who wants to cross the border do so.
>
> That is not an answer.

It sure is.

> The U.S does not have an open border policy.

In effect, we do.

[George Plimpton]

You're going in circles now. We've already addressed what is meant by
racism.

As you leftists use the corrupted, degraded word, you are racist.

[DCI]

Policy and function/application seems to be the problem.

DCI

[DCI]

Sieve as one definition of the currently practiced border policies of
the US.

DCI

[DCI]

What size boots do you wear?

DCI

[George Plimpton]

Exactly right. /De jure/, we don't have open borders; /de facto/, we
do. It has to be the case, given that a) hundreds of thousands of
illegals get across annually; and b) literally no effort is made to
locate them and expel them. That translates to an open border policy.

[Hisler]

On 9/15/2011 1:33 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
>
> On Sep 15, 2:27 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not> wrote:
>
> >> The reservoirs of intellect in America are located in
> >
> > primarily in business
>
> "provide, under certain strict qualification criteria, a pathway to
> legal status for undocumented workers currently in the United States."
>

> http://www.uschamber.com/issues/immigration
>
> > the Cato Foundation [sic, the actual name is Cato Institute]
>
> "In contrast, legalization of low-skilled immigrant workers would
> yield significant income gains for American workers and households.
> Legalization would eliminate smugglers' fees and other costs faced by
> illegal immigrants. It would also allow immigrants to have higher
> productivity and create more openings for Americans in higherskilled
> occupations. The positive impact for U.S. households of legalization
> under an optimal visa tax would be 1.27 percent of GDP or $180
> billion."

We heard the same lies about "free trade," NAFTA, and the GATT treaties.
Instead of a "giant sucking sound" that NAFTA created, we'd here a
giant imploding sound like a pinata being sucked into a huge black hole
if the District of Criminals grants the legalization of peasants from
Mexico and Central America.

>
> http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10438
>
> -Ramon

[Hisler]

On 9/15/2011 1:48 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
> On Sep 15, 2:43 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not> wrote:

>> On 9/15/2011 12:33 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 15, 2:27 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>
>>> >> The reservoirs of intellect in America are located in
>>
>>> > primarily in business
>>
>>> "provide, under certain strict qualification criteria, a pathway to
>>> legal status for undocumented workers currently in the United States."
>>
>

> > "*under certain strict qualification criteria*"
> >
> > Well, so much for your open borders policy...
>
> Nobody is for open borders.

Liar.

> One illegal immigrant is one too many:

Amen.

>
> - Following a nice American tradition since 1776, illegal immigrants
> are against open borders.

http://youtu.be/AYU4K201MKc

>
> - The narcos are against open borders, for the price of their product
> would plummet.
>
> Any idiot who is open border (the total of them can be counted with
> the fingers of one hand... okay, two hands) may be safely ignored and
> they have zero political power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsH8xvjTAlo&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbaYJg8wloI&feature=player_embedded
>
> -Ramon

[carl]

Hahaha. Libs more intelligent then rep. That is funny.
So why did stupid libs elect an incompetent as a pres.
Who knows nothing about the economy. He lied all thru
the campaign..so all libs are the most stupid.

"Hisler" <His...@cocks.net> wrote in message
news:j4un67$4uh$1...@dont-email.me...

[RFID Tag Deported Felon Mexicans]

In article <91bdd677-c011-4f92-bc6e-
d93989...@s2g2000vby.googlegroups.com>

Most liberals are too poor to afford a cup since Obama got
elected. Pissing in boots and giving them to thirsty liberals
seems such a small sacrifice.

[Ray Fischer]

Delvin Benet <DB@nbc.nýt> wrote:
>There isn't any doubt that "liberals" /do/ hate America:

Fascists hate liberals.

--
Ray Fischer | Mendocracy (n.) government by lying
rfis...@sonic.net | The new GOP ideal

[George Plimpton]

On 9/16/2011 5:10 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
> Delvin Benet<DB@nbc.nýt> wrote:
>> There isn't any doubt that "liberals" /do/ hate America:
>

> Sensible patriots hate liberals.

Fixed it for you, ray-ray.

[Ray Fischer]

George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:

>> Sensible patriots hate liberals.
>
>Fixed it for you, ray-ray.

Still the same old liar and quote forger.

You fascists just cannot tolerate the truth.

You just shot yourself in your faggot Jew ass
pimpleton in <rpednbZadqIDn1TR...@earthlink.com>

You're illiterate, you fucking commie Jew.
pimpleton in <rpednbBadqKZnlTR...@earthlink.com>

Stupid fucking queer.
pimpleton in <xtmdnX1AlMAGSVfR...@earthlink.com>

You're filth.
pimpleton in <a-6dnQz3MacC_gvR...@earthlink.com>

"I'm alwaysan asshole, and I try to piss everyone off."
pimpleton in <sKadnTaNSIM20gXR...@earthlink.com>

Fuck. I thought it was Rosie O'Donnell, that unspeakably ugly, *fat*
dyke, and I had my hopes up. I saw that *fat* *ugly* dyke on TV once,
and I was afraid I was going to go blind.
pimpleton in <KJ6dnd6JCpx_swfR...@earthlink.com>

I'm not really a fighting guy, ray-ray, but if I ever encountered you in
person, I would beat the living fuck out of you just because of what an
absolute hateful fuck you are. You epitomize the nihilistic left, and
you should be beaten within an inch of your life for it.
pimpleton in <ebWdnW5rrtk82jTR...@earthlink.com>

You are going to be killed for that.
pimpleton in <TqqdndRVDcGCMzfR...@earthlink.com>

[George Plimpton]

On 9/16/2011 8:59 PM, asshole Ray Fischer lied:

> George Plimpton<geo...@si.not> wrote:
>
>>> Sensible patriots hate liberals.
>>
>> Fixed it for you, ray-ray.
>
> Still the same old liar and quote forger.

Neither. You just fucked it up, as usual, and I fixed it for you.

Why don't you want to have a fistfight with me, bitch?

[Ray Fischer]

George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>On 9/16/2011 8:59 PM, asshole Ray Fischer lied:
>> George Plimpton<geo...@si.not> wrote:

>>> Fixed it for you, ray-ray.
>>
>> Still the same old liar and quote forger.
>
>Neither.

"I'm alwaysan asshole, and I try to piss everyone off."
pimpleton in <sKadnTaNSIM20gXR...@earthlink.com>

[George Plimpton]

On 9/17/2011 3:20 PM, Ray Fischer wrote:

> "I'm alwaysan asshole, and I try to piss everyone off."

Yes. You're a prick.

[*us*]

Wanting Americans robbed by war criminal profiteers
is hatred of Americans.

[George Plimpton]

On 9/19/2011 4:27 AM, Blowjob, aka * I Hate the US *, bullshitted:

> Wanting Americans robbed by war criminal profiteers

You would want that, Blowjob.

[Ramon F Herrera]

George:

You have avoided answering this question:

Does racism imply hate?

If the answer is "no", you may call me racist and I have no problem
with that. I am as racist as the medical researcher studying the
"Hispanic Paradox" or the lady in the Revlon counter trying to
determine the precise shade of the makeup for her client, Halle Berry
or JeLo.

If the answer is "yes" then we MUST use the US churches (*) as
reference to determine whether hate is on my side (as you claim) or in
your side (as I claim).

Remember: this is a "Yes", "No" question.

-Ramon

(*) The only possible reference unless you suggest a better one such
as US businesses.

[George Plimpton]

On 9/19/2011 8:13 AM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>
> George:
>
> You have avoided answering this question:
>
> Does racism imply hate?

I have not avoided it, Raymond. I have answered it directly. The
answer, clearly, is no. Racism is simply a belief that race matters in
areas where it clearly does not. Race matters, for example, in the
biological and medical analysis of certain diseases: blacks are more
likely to carry the gene for sickle cell anemia.

Race does not matter and *should not* matter for political, legal,
social or economic matters. But you leftists insist that it does. You
leftists think race is defining. It is not.

[*us*]

Wanting Americans robbed by war criminal profiteers

is hatred of Americans.

No doubt about it.

[*us*]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:43:20 -0700, Gorge Pimples <geo...@si.not> wrote:

>... Racism is simply a belief ...

It's a belief in falsehoods based on hate.

[Sid9]

"* US *" wrote in message news:8kqe775ab7sm27sgd...@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:43:20 -0700, Gorge Pimples <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>
>>... Racism is simply a belief ...
>
> It's a belief in falsehoods based on hate.
>
>

Throw FEAR into the mix.

[George Plimpton]

You threw bullshit into it.

[Ron M.]

On Sep 19, 7:27 am, * US * wrote:
> Wanting Americans robbed by war criminal profiteers
> is hatred of Americans.

Could you be so kind and list these individuals and there association
to the claimed practices. Can't very well make a determination of
guilt for something unless we are presented with verifiable facts. So
if you could please state them.

[Red Cloud]

On Sep 15, 5:13 pm, "Mr.Sandman" <somewh...@overtherainbow.com> wrote:
> On 9/15/2011 7:07 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 9/15/2011 3:45 PM, Mr.Sandman wrote:
> >> On 9/15/2011 3:50 PM, George Plimpton wrote:

> >>> On 9/15/2011 12:48 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
> >>>> On Sep 15, 2:43 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not> wrote:
> >>>>> On 9/15/2011 12:33 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
>
> >>>>>> On Sep 15, 2:27 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> >> The reservoirs of intellect in America are located in
>
> >>>>>> > primarily in business
>
> >>>>>> "provide, under certain strict qualification criteria, a pathway to
> >>>>>> legal status for undocumented workers currently in the United
> >>>>>> States."
>
> >>>> > "*under certain strict qualification criteria*"
>
> >>>> > Well, so much for your open borders policy...
>

> >>>> Nobody is for open borders. One illegal immigrant is one too many:

>
> >>>> - Following a nice American tradition since 1776, illegal immigrants
> >>>> are against open borders.
>

> >>> Nope - illegal immigrants are the *epitome* of an open borders problem.
>
> >> What is an "open borders problem?"
>
> > Letting anyone who wants to cross the border do so.
>

> That is not an answer. The U.S does not have an open border policy.
> In fact, it is the other way around. If the rules were not so strict,
> most people would come through the front door. As to why certain people
> cross the border illegally, I've no idea why they do that. They must be
> very stupid or very desperate. Maybe they've been told by their friends
> and governments that they stand zero chances of entering legally.
> United States needs more dialogue with Mexico and the rest of Latin
> America. If Latin Americans are the biggest offenders, they should be
> given an incentive for not doing so.

Open border means no military style border patrol and no military
style border checkpoint. See China how they protect their border with
military and anyone
trying to cross will be shot. That's what non-open border in other
word "closed border" do. If USA has closed border policy, they have
right to shot and arrest illegal migrant with military style border
patrolling. Talk about real Homeland
Security.

Only way to stop the flowing of Illegal Hispanic is if Hispanic
nation takes care of their shitty problem by themselves not blaming
at USA. As long as Hispanic gov't don't give a shit about poverty,
drug, and racism, illegal Hispanic will continue to cross the
border and no responsibility for Hispanic gov't. Very nice way to
get rid of their poverty underclass by blaming at USA. This is all
blame game play by failed Hispanic nations. All USA needs to do is
closing the border and anyone crossing the border will be treated as
the invader terrorist and will be shot at the spot. No need for USA
to get involved with Hispanic nations.

[*us*]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 14:00:39 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote:

>
>"* US *" wrote in message news:8kqe775ab7sm27sgd...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:43:20 -0700, Gorge Pimples <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>
>>>... Racism is simply a belief ...
>>
>> It's a belief in falsehoods based on hate.
>>
>>
>
>Throw FEAR into the mix.

Absolutely right.

[*us*]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:15:57 -0700 (PDT), "Ron M." <strm...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Sep 19, 7:27 am, * US * wrote:
>> Wanting Americans robbed by war criminal profiteers
>> is hatred of Americans.
>

>Could you be so kind and list these individuals and there [sic] association
>to the claimed practices.

Bush, Cheney, et al ...

>Can't very well make a determination of
>guilt for something unless we are presented with verifiable facts. So

So why did you believe the lies about WMD in Iraq?

Are you an idiot?

[plainolamerican]

On Sep 15, 2:48 pm, Cambridge Ray <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
> On Sep 15, 2:43 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>
> > On 9/15/2011 12:33 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 15, 2:27 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not>  wrote:
>
> > >   >>  The reservoirs of intellect in America are located in
>
> > >   >  primarily in business
>
> > > "provide, under certain strict qualification criteria, a pathway to
> > > legal status for undocumented workers currently in the United States."
>
>  > "*under certain strict qualification criteria*"
>  >
>  > Well, so much for your open borders policy...
>
> Nobody is for open borders. One illegal immigrant is one too many:
>
>  - Following a nice American tradition since 1776, illegal immigrants
> are against open borders.
>

>  - The narcos are against open borders, for the price of their product
> would plummet.
>
> Any idiot who is open border (the total of them can be counted with
> the fingers of one hand... okay, two hands) may be safely ignored and
> they have zero political power.
>

> -Ramon

Any idiot who is open border (the total of them can be counted with
the fingers of one hand... okay, two hands) may be safely ignored and
they have zero political power.

---
not true
the jews have been promoting open borders for decades and own DC
know the enemy

[plainolamerican]

On Sep 15, 7:13 pm, "Mr.Sandman" <somewh...@overtherainbow.com> wrote:
> On 9/15/2011 7:07 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 9/15/2011 3:45 PM, Mr.Sandman wrote:
> >> On 9/15/2011 3:50 PM, George Plimpton wrote:

> >>> On 9/15/2011 12:48 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
> >>>> On Sep 15, 2:43 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not> wrote:
> >>>>> On 9/15/2011 12:33 PM, Cambridge Ray wrote:
>
> >>>>>> On Sep 15, 2:27 pm, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> >> The reservoirs of intellect in America are located in
>
> >>>>>> > primarily in business
>
> >>>>>> "provide, under certain strict qualification criteria, a pathway to
> >>>>>> legal status for undocumented workers currently in the United
> >>>>>> States."
>
> >>>> > "*under certain strict qualification criteria*"
>
> >>>> > Well, so much for your open borders policy...
>
> >>>> Nobody is for open borders. One illegal immigrant is one too many:
>
> >>>> - Following a nice American tradition since 1776, illegal immigrants
> >>>> are against open borders.
>

> >>> Nope - illegal immigrants are the *epitome* of an open borders problem.
>
> >> What is an "open borders problem?"
>
> > Letting anyone who wants to cross the border do so.
>
> That is not an answer. The U.S does not have an open border policy.
> In fact, it is the other way around. If the rules were not so strict,
> most people would come through the front door. As to why certain people
> cross the border illegally, I've no idea why they do that. They must be
> very stupid or very desperate. Maybe they've been told by their friends
> and governments that they stand zero chances of entering legally.
> United States needs more dialogue with Mexico and the rest of Latin
> America. If Latin Americans are the biggest offenders, they should be
> given an incentive for not doing so.

They must be
very stupid or very desperate.

---
both

[DogDiesel]

"Ramon F Herrera" <gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote in message
news:3939030a-6966-4a39...@t3g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...

>
> George:
>
> You have avoided answering this question:
>
> Does racism imply hate?
>
> If the answer is "no", you may call me racist and I have no problem
> with that. I am as racist as the medical researcher studying the
> "Hispanic Paradox" or the lady in the Revlon counter trying to
> determine the precise shade of the makeup for her client, Halle Berry
> or JeLo.

Wrong. neither supports illegals being allowed in the us.

[DogDiesel]

<* US *> wrote in message news:1tch77pibavtrcf57...@4ax.com...

Why do you believe WMDs is all that matters in Iraq???

Are you an idiot. ??

Or cant you handle the truth.

[*us*]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 04:22:15 -0400, "DogDookies" <nos...@nospam.none> wrote:

>... illegals ...

Enlightened people don't refer to others as such.

Wanting Americans robbed by war criminal profiteers

[*us*]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/sep/21/tony-bennett-george-bush-iraq?newsfeed=true

On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 04:24:11 -0400, "DogDookies" <nos...@nospam.none> wrote:

>...in Iraq...

You have no business there.

>... an idiot... cant [sic] ... handle the truth.

Of course you can't.

[plainolamerican]

On Sep 20, 10:40 am, * US * wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:15:57 -0700 (PDT), "Ron M." <strmbr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sep 19, 7:27 am, * US * wrote:
> >> Wanting Americans robbed by war criminal profiteers
> >> is hatred of Americans.
>
> >Could you be so kind and list these individuals and there [sic] association
> >to the claimed practices.
>
> Bush, Cheney, et al  ...
>
> >Can't very well make a determination of
> >guilt for something unless we are presented with verifiable facts. So
>
> So why did you believe the lies about WMD in Iraq?
>
> Are you an idiot?

why did you believe the lies about WMD in Iraq?

---
do you know who created the lies about WMD in Iraq?
no, it wasn't bush or cheney, it was a jewish spy named Michael
Ledeen, a Douglas Feith appointee.
the same jew that traded weapons to Iran for hostages that funded
Nicaraguan terrorists

some don't forget ... some never knew

[Ron M.]

On Sep 20, 11:40 am, * US * wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:15:57 -0700 (PDT), "Ron M." <strmbr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sep 19, 7:27 am, * US * wrote:
> >> Wanting Americans robbed by war criminal profiteers
> >> is hatred of Americans.
>
> >Could you be so kind and list these individuals and there [sic] association
> >to the claimed practices.
>
> Bush, Cheney, et al  ...
>
> >Can't very well make a determination of
> >guilt for something unless we are presented with verifiable facts. So
>
> So why did you believe the lies about WMD in Iraq?
>
> Are you an idiot?

Nice insult. NOT. Lame at best. Juvenile totally. Now that you spouted
out some names how about some verifiable proof. Can't wait for this
response. Should be good.

[*us*]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 16:06:22 -0700 (PDT), "Ron M." <strm...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>... Lame at best. Juvenile totally...

Of course you are: you're a bushkultie.

>...how about some verifiable proof...

Why didn't you respond with that to the
lie about WMD in Iraq?

Are you an idiot?

[Ron M.]

On Sep 22, 7:57 am, * US * wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 16:06:22 -0700 (PDT), "Ron M." <strmbr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >... Lame at best. Juvenile totally...
>
> Of course you are: you're a bushkultie.

Uhh a what. Could you say that in English maybe.

>
> >...how about some verifiable proof...
>
> Why didn't you respond with that to the
> lie about WMD in Iraq?
>
> Are you an idiot?

Not at all. Whats your excuse for the way you act? Are you an asshole?

>
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:15:57 -0700 (PDT), "Ron M." <strmbr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sep 19, 7:27 am, * US * wrote:
> >> Wanting Americans robbed by war criminal profiteers
> >> is hatred of Americans.
>
> >Could you be so kind and list these individuals and there [sic] association
> >to the claimed practices.
>
> Bush, Cheney, et al  ...
>
> >Can't very well make a determination of
> >guilt for something unless we are presented with verifiable facts. So
>
> So why did you believe the lies about WMD in Iraq?
>
> Are you an idiot?

Not at all. Whats your excuse for the way you act? Are you an asshole?

Just so you know. I came in here and asked a simple question and all
you do is come back with insults and no substance. If you can't
provide any verifiable proof of anything that you say then why should
any one believe you? Are we to just take your word for it. Not in this
or 10 life times.

[*us*]

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/bushlie.html

On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 20:28:06 -0700 (PDT), "Ron M." <strm...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>... an asshole ...

Otherwise you'd object to war crimes.

>... can't
>provide any verifiable proof ...

Of course you can't. You swallow lies.

On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 16:06:22 -0700 (PDT), "Ron M." <strm...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>... Lame at best. Juvenile totally...

Of course you are: you're a bushkultie.

>...how about some verifiable proof...

Why didn't you respond with that to the
lie about WMD in Iraq?

Are you an idiot?

[Ron M.]

On Sep 23, 7:07 am, * US * wrote:
> http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/bushlie.html
>

> On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 20:28:06 -0700 (PDT), "Ron M." <strmbr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >... an asshole ...
>
> Otherwise you'd object to war crimes.
>
> >... can't
> >provide any verifiable proof ...
>
> Of course you can't.  You swallow lies.
>

> On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 16:06:22 -0700 (PDT), "Ron M." <strmbr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >... Lame at best. Juvenile totally...
>
> Of course you are: you're a bushkultie.
>
> >...how about some verifiable proof...
>
> Why didn't you respond with that to the
> lie about WMD in Iraq?
>
> Are you an idiot?
>

> On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:15:57 -0700 (PDT), "Ron M." <strmbr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sep 19, 7:27 am, * US * wrote:
> >> Wanting Americans robbed by war criminal profiteers
> >> is hatred of Americans.
>
> >Could you be so kind and list these individuals and there [sic] association
> >to the claimed practices.
>
> Bush, Cheney, et al  ...
>
> >Can't very well make a determination of
> >guilt for something unless we are presented with verifiable facts. So
>
> So why did you believe the lies about WMD in Iraq?
>
> Are you an idiot?

So in a word you can't prove anything other than your an asshole that
likes to spout off. Guess I was mistaken that you actually had the
capacity to discuss something rationally.

[*us*]

On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 16:59:35 -0700 (PDT), "Ron M." <strm...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>... can't prove anything

Of course you can't. You've swallowed lies.

>... an asshole that
>likes to spout off. Guess I ...

You do have problems.

You've failed to address the content provided.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/bushlie.html

On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 20:28:06 -0700 (PDT), "Ron M." <strm...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>... an asshole ...

Otherwise you'd object to war crimes.

>... can't
>provide any verifiable proof ...

Of course you can't. You swallow lies.

On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 16:06:22 -0700 (PDT), "Ron M." <strm...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>... Lame at best. Juvenile totally...

Of course you are: you're a bushkultie.

>...how about some verifiable proof...

Why didn't you respond with that to the
lie about WMD in Iraq?

Are you an idiot?

[Ron M.]

On Sep 24, 8:18 am, * US * wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 16:59:35 -0700 (PDT), "Ron M." <strmbr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >... can't prove anything
>
> Of course you can't.  You've swallowed lies.
>
> >... an asshole that
> >likes to spout off. Guess I ...
>
> You do have problems.
>
> You've failed to address the content provided.
>
> http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/bushlie.html
>

> On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 20:28:06 -0700 (PDT), "Ron M." <strmbr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >... an asshole ...
>
> Otherwise you'd object to war crimes.
>
> >... can't
> >provide any verifiable proof ...
>
> Of course you can't.  You swallow lies.
>

> On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 16:06:22 -0700 (PDT), "Ron M." <strmbr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >... Lame at best. Juvenile totally...
>
> Of course you are: you're a bushkultie.
>
> >...how about some verifiable proof...
>
> Why didn't you respond with that to the
> lie about WMD in Iraq?
>
> Are you an idiot?
>

> On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:15:57 -0700 (PDT), "Ron M." <strmbr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sep 19, 7:27 am, * US * wrote:
> >> Wanting Americans robbed by war criminal profiteers
> >> is hatred of Americans.
>
> >Could you be so kind and list these individuals and there [sic] association
> >to the claimed practices.
>
> Bush, Cheney, et al  ...
>
> >Can't very well make a determination of
> >guilt for something unless we are presented with verifiable facts. So
>
> So why did you believe the lies about WMD in Iraq?
>
> Are you an idiot?

PLONK. You don't want to discuss you just want a soapbox. Good thing
about that is I don't have to read/listen to your stupid shit. Bye

[*us*]

"Bush Caught in a Lie"

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/bushlie.html

Now, why would anyone lie about a crime?

On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 20:12:18 -0700 (PDT), "Ron M." <strm...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>PLONK.

You'd already run away, because you're unable to deal
with the reality that your idols are traitors and war criminals.

>... don't want to discuss ... just want a soapbox...
>... that is I ... have ... stupid shit...

Thanks for admitting it.

On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 16:59:35 -0700 (PDT), "Ron M." <strm...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>... can't prove anything

Of course you can't. You've swallowed lies.

>... an asshole that
>likes to spout off. Guess I ...

You do have problems.

You've failed to address the content provided.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/bushlie.html

On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 20:28:06 -0700 (PDT), "Ron M." <strm...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>... an asshole ...

Otherwise you'd object to war crimes.

>... can't
>provide any verifiable proof ...

Of course you can't. You swallow lies.

On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 16:06:22 -0700 (PDT), "Ron M." <strm...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>... Lame at best. Juvenile totally...

Of course you are: you're a bushkultie.

>...how about some verifiable proof...

Why didn't you respond with that to the
lie about WMD in Iraq?

Are you an idiot?

[remingt...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 11:23:19 AM UTC-7, Delvin Benet wrote:
> There isn't any doubt that "liberals" /do/ hate America:
>
> A new [in May 2010] Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey
> finds that 51% of voters nationwide believe the United States is the
> last best hope of mankind. Twenty-six percent (26%) disagree, and
> 24% are not sure.
>
> Conservatives overwhelmingly believe that the United States is the
> last best hope. However, by a 43% to 29% margin, liberals disagree.
>
> Just 31% of those in the Political Class see the United States in
> such positive terms (see more on the Political Class), compared to
> 58% of Mainstream voters. ["Political class" = "liberal" elite]
>
> http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/may_2010/51_say_united_states_is_last_best_hope_of_mankind
>
>
> But it's actually worse than that. "Liberals" don't merely believe that
> America isn't the last best hope; they actively believe that America is
> a relentless force for evil.
>
> "Liberals" hate all of the core features of the United States that made
> it a great country:
>
> * government by consent of the governed - no permanent ruling class
> * extreme protection of private property
> * individual responsibility - the individual is ultimately responsible
> for his welfare
> * private enterprise economy
> * individual right to self defense
> * no state thumb on the scales based on race, religion, creed, etc.
>
>
> Illiberal "liberals" always think they have an "Aha!" over this last one
> because of the incorporation of slavery at the inception of the country.
> That's false, of course, because 1) slavery is gone, and 2) no
> libertarian or conservative defends it. Once upon a time, the
> government thumb was on the scales against blacks. More recently, it
> has been placed decisively on the scales to favor blacks, as well as
> other self-defined "aggrieved" groups whom "liberals" encourage to
> nurture a sense of grievance.
>
> "Liberals" hate America. Every change "liberals" want to make will make
> Americans less free, less in control of their individual destinies, more
> reliant on the supposedly good intentions of the "political class".
> Death to "liberalism" - it's bad for America.