Senate gives $4.6 Billion to injuns and black farmers. - Whites get nothing of course
Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year
11/19/2010 9:55 PM
Senate approves $4.6B for black farmers, Indians
By MARY CLARE JALONICK Associated Press
More special treatment for those of the right color.
http://www.ksro.com/news/article.aspx?id=2662248
The Senate has approved almost $4.6 billion to settle long-standing
claims brought by American Indians and black farmers against the
government.
The money has been held up for months in the Senate as Democrats and
Republicans squabbled over how to pay for it. The two class action
lawsuits were filed over a decade ago.
The settlements include almost $1.2 billion for black farmers who say
they suffered discrimination at the hands of the Agriculture
Department. Also, $3.4 billion would go to Indian landowners who claim
they were swindled out of royalties by the Interior Department. The
legislation was approved in the Senate by voice vote Friday and sent
to the House.
(snip)
Steve from Colorado
Indian tribes were cheated out of billions of dollars of royalties
owed to them for oil and other minerals mined on the reservations.
It's the right thing to do to right this past wrong, IMHO. The only
issue I have is that the government should bill the mining companies
and the companies that drilled for gas and oil on the reservations
rather than pass the cost on to the American people. Black farmers
should have gotten the same subsidies and benefits that usually have
gone to billionaires who pretend to farm or to agri-business giants
like ADM and aptly named CON-AGRA.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
>
> Indian tribes were cheated out of billions of dollars of royalties
> owed to them for oil and other minerals mined on the reservations.
> It's the right thing to do to right this past wrong, IMHO.
When am i gonna be compensated for the money the govt cost me by their
affirmative action programs???
Kelly Garni
Never, Judy.
After all, you never had a job, never paid taxes, never entered this
country legally, said you never voted, so you don't deserve a damned
thing, and the government never cost you anything.
YOU owe US,you stunt cunt!
Prove otherwise!
Bill Graham
"Steve from Colorado" <gas...@hushmail.com> wrote in message
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Yeah....Except all those people are like, DEAD!! And so you are stealing
from me, who had absolutely nothing to do with cheating anybody out of
anything, to give my money to people whose forefathers were cheated by some
other people. What is the logic in that??!! Build a time machine, and go
back to the relevant time, and right the wrong. But don't come to me, and
right someone else's wrong to the wrong people by doing me another wrong. In
case you hadn't heard, two wrongs don't make a right.
Bill Graham
"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote in
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Yes. And I rode a bicycle to work for about ten years, and saved hundreds of
gallons of gasoline. When is Obama going to give me $4000 toward a new car?
Don't look now, but we are living in a country run by Robin Hooders, and
they seem to think that you and I are the Sheriff of Nottingham. Just
because we have nice clothes and are riding a nice horse, they assume that
we are crooks that need to have our money stolen from us and given to the
poor.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
> Are you companying as loud at all the money going to
> illegal's in this country for benefits they have not earned?-
No - grammy never COMPLAINS about illegals. He's another liberal
moron who says illegals are hard workers which, even if true, doesn't
justify them invading america and living off the taxpayers
Bill Graham
Except, the people living off the taxpayers are those US Citizen druggies
that are camping out under the freeway overpass, and not the Mexicans who
are standing on the street corners at 07:00 AM every morning looking for
work. - And I am a libertarian, and not a liberal....there is a HUGE
difference.... Look it up.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
> ">
> Except, the people living off the taxpayers are those US Citizen druggies
> that are camping out under the freeway overpass, and not the Mexicans who
> are standing on the street corners at 07:00 AM every morning looking for
> work. -
Hey stupid. We supply your illegal beaner buddies with free health
care at ERs and give their filthy babycitas free k-12. That's living
off the taxpayers, you moron.
Mrs Irish Mike
Wow, such ignorant hostilities!
The above mentioned farm subsidies were compensation for the racists
doling out of farm subsidies of the past, and by past figure on the
last few years. Do some research into the Dept of Agriculture's
behavior of the last couple of decades. Much of the money was given to
white farmers and much of the money was NOT given to minorities only
because of race. There you have your 'reverse affirmative action'.
White people getting DOA welfare money by the truckloads.
Besides, forty acres and a mule for the blacks with intrest for 150
years is a sizable amount. And I don't want to hear about the slaves
being long dead, because you are the same people who complain about
the 'death tax'. Kunta Kinta's great grandchildren deserve all they
are owed.
And how about all that was promised to the Indians? Where is their
land and monies?
Affirmative action or the good old boys network; which do you think
has produced more money for those less deserving? I'm willing to bet
the latter by a factor with lots of zeroes after it.
Why do the illegal aliens come to the US? For the jobs. Who benifits
by hiring those desperate enough to come here illegally? The CEOs and
stock holders of Hormel, WalMart, Tyson, McDonalds and so many others.
Yet, you and others attack the poor and huddled masses yearning to be
free, instead of attacking those in power who prosper from the decline
of the US middle class. This makes me think you are a cyber bully who
picks on the weak and licks the boot of the oppressors. Cowards and
hypocrites, each and everyone of you.
Kelly Garni
Why are you complaining, Judy?
You don't/can't have a job.
You don't/can't vote.
Your parents are from Mexican and were arrested for making
child/beastialty/pornmovies, where you were the star.
Steve from Colorado
> "Steve from Colorado" <gass...@hushmail.com> wrote in messagenews:0c68b2f7-3fc0-4c17...@g16g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
Bzzzzt. Wrong. Most of them got ripped off in the last 30 years.
> And so you are stealing
Bzzzzt. Wrong. It was the energy companies who were stealing.
> from me, who had absolutely nothing to do with cheating anybody out of
> anything, to give my money to people whose forefathers were cheated by some
> other people. What is the logic in that??!! Build a time machine, and go
> back to the relevant time, and right the wrong. But don't come to me, and
> right someone else's wrong to the wrong people by doing me another wrong. In
> case you hadn't heard, two wrongs don't make a right
Tell that the to Federal government and the courts. I had nothing to
do with their decision.
Gray Ghost
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> On Nov 21, 9:03�am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
><beta...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> On Nov 21, 12:14�am, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> > ">
>> > Except, the people living off the taxpayers are those US Citizen
>> > druggies that are camping out under the freeway overpass, and not the
>> > Mexicans who are standing on the street corners at 07:00 AM every
>> > morning looking for work. -
>>
>> Hey stupid. �We supply your illegal �beaner buddies with free health
>> care at ERs and give their filthy babycitas free k-12. �That's living
>> off the taxpayers, you moron.
>
> Wow, such ignorant hostilities!
>
> The above mentioned farm subsidies were compensation for the racists
> doling out of farm subsidies of the past, and by past figure on the
> last few years. Do some research into the Dept of Agriculture's
> behavior of the last couple of decades. Much of the money was given to
> white farmers and much of the money was NOT given to minorities only
> because of race. There you have your 'reverse affirmative action'.
> White people getting DOA welfare money by the truckloads.
And you can, of course, prove this?
>
> Besides, forty acres and a mule for the blacks with intrest for 150
> years is a sizable amount. And I don't want to hear about the slaves
> being long dead, because you are the same people who complain about
> the 'death tax'. Kunta Kinta's great grandchildren deserve all they
> are owed.
Sorry, reparations is a dead issue.
> And how about all that was promised to the Indians? Where is their
> land and monies?
They have it, they just drank it all away. Except for the ones that opened
casinos.
> Affirmative action or the good old boys network; which do you think
> has produced more money for those less deserving? I'm willing to bet
> the latter by a factor with lots of zeroes after it.
Affirmative action: punishing the descendants of persons whom, it is calimed
commiteed some act against another group, even theough it wshould be pretty
obvious to all but the most illiterate that not EVERYONE did it, though you
are choosing to punish EVERYONE today.
> Why do the illegal aliens come to the US? For the jobs. Who benifits
To get away from the drug gangs in Mexico? T break the law in the US? If you
ain't a leal migrant, you can't legally work!
> by hiring those desperate enough to come here illegally? The CEOs and
> stock holders of Hormel, WalMart, Tyson, McDonalds and so many others.
Yawn, same old socialist claptrap. is your nose bigger than your tits?
> Yet, you and others attack the poor and huddled masses yearning to be
> free, instead of attacking those in power who prosper from the decline
Hey shit for brains, all of my ancestors were "poor and huddled masses
yearning to be free". why don't you take your agit prop and shove it up your
ass. Noone beleives it any more.
> of the US middle class. This makes me think you are a cyber bully who
> picks on the weak and licks the boot of the oppressors. Cowards and
> hypocrites, each and everyone of you.
Drunk again? Well, you are Irish.
--
Democrat donkey pontificating:
Americans only oppose Obama because they are racist....
Americans were against the stiumulus because they are uneducated....
Americans oppose socialism because they are greedy....
Americans are against Obamacare because they are stupid....
Americans are opposed to the Ground Zero mosque because they are bigots....
I just can't figure why Americans are opposed to us.
Maybe 'cuz we're racist, uneducated, greedy, stupid bigots.
Or maybe it's 'cuz you morons sound like Nazis talking about Jews in the
1930s.
Bill Graham
Sure, but we do that for everybody....At least the Mexicans work for a
living. If I had to choose somebody to deport, you can guess who it would
have to be...:^)
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
> >
> Why do the illegal aliens come to the US? For the jobs. Who benifits
> by hiring those desperate enough to come here illegally? The CEOs and
> stock holders of Hormel, WalMart, Tyson, McDonalds and so many others.
Hell everybody knows that, you idiot. We have this huge illegal alien
problem because companies like walmart make a fortune off illegals and
they give huge bribes to our congresscriminals to support the invasion
of these criminal parasites. But that doesn't excuse the illegals
invading america. They are a problem just like the walmart CEO.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
wrote:
>
> > And how about all that was promised to the Indians? Where is their
> > land and monies?
>
> They have it, they just drank it all away. Except for the ones that opened
> casinos.
>
Damn right. I'm sick of injuns whining about how we mistreated them.
Us and them had a war and they lost and now all they care about is
getting that welfare wampum to buy more firewater.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
Do you enjoy being the board laughingstock?
Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers
> On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:11:18 -0800, "Bill Graham"
>
>
>
> >Sure, but we do that for everybody....At least the Mexicans work for a
> >living. If I had to choose somebody to deport, you can guess who it would
> >have to be...:^)
>
> to the county to beg for free housing & food stamps
Got that right. Remittances from america are a big industry in that
third world cesspool called mayheeko.
Mrs Irish Mike
My, you are a miserable human. Life must not have treated you kindly.
So, we have this hugh illegal alien problem. How do we correct the
situation? We could try two different approaches.
The knee-jerk reaction is to hunt down millions of illegals, break
down doors in the middle of the night and scoop up those suspected of
being illegal. We could build a hugh wall at the border with barbed
wire and guard towers. The country may not look like America, but at
least we would have the satisfaction of sending 'those people' back to
where they came from.
I propose the easier way to accomplish the same thing is to start
arresting those who hire illegals, there are much fewer of them. First
offense confiscate their wealth they made from paying substandard
wages, second time real prison time. Make those who hire and the
executives in charge responsible for their actions. A few hundred of
them in prison and the demand for illegal labor would plummet.
Throwing the employers in jail would mean less traffic at the border,
easier to control and less violence. Then if the problems of the
"illegal welfare queen" is still a problem we would have a much better
handle on the situation and big buisness wouldn't have a vested
intrest in keeping the status quo.
Bill Graham
We don't have a, "Huge illegal immigration problem." What we have is a huge
crime problem. And It's caused by illegal drigs. The way to fix it is to
legalize the drugs, so there will no longer be any profit in importing them
and selling them. Let the government give them away for free to anyone who
signs up for them, and the crime will go away, and the illegal aliens who
are left will continue to work honest jobs and they will be no problem
whatsoever. We will be able to fire 1/3 of our police, and the money we save
will more than pay for the drug give away program, with oodles of cash left
over.
Ned Pepper
c11fa9...@w29g2000vba.googlegroups.com:
> Throwing the employers in jail would mean less traffic at the border,
> easier to control and less violence.
How about we throw you in jail for drunk and disorderly, prostitution and ugly
enough to shatter glass.
--
I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man.
Ned Pepper
Strabo
> On Nov 21, 9:03 am, "Speeders& Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
> <beta...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> On Nov 21, 12:14 am, "Bill Graham"<w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> ">
>>> Except, the people living off the taxpayers are those US Citizen druggies
>>> that are camping out under the freeway overpass, and not the Mexicans who
>>> are standing on the street corners at 07:00 AM every morning looking for
>>> work. -
>>
>> Hey stupid. We supply your illegal beaner buddies with free health
>> care at ERs and give their filthy babycitas free k-12. That's living
>> off the taxpayers, you moron.
>
> Wow, such ignorant hostilities!
>
> The above mentioned farm subsidies were compensation for the racists
> doling out of farm subsidies of the past, and by past figure on the
> last few years. Do some research into the Dept of Agriculture's
> behavior of the last couple of decades. Much of the money was given to
> white farmers and much of the money was NOT given to minorities only
> because of race. There you have your 'reverse affirmative action'.
> White people getting DOA welfare money by the truckloads.
>
> Besides, forty acres and a mule for the blacks with intrest for 150
> years is a sizable amount. And I don't want to hear about the slaves
> being long dead, because you are the same people who complain about
> the 'death tax'. Kunta Kinta's great grandchildren deserve all they
> are owed.
>
> And how about all that was promised to the Indians? Where is their
> land and monies?
>
You coming to collect? I hope so. We've been waiting for a long time
to unmask those responsible for your fraudulent government.
I promised nothing to Indians or slaves and our government servants
had no such authority. But they got away with their promises due
to support by guilt-ridden, greedy assholes like yourself.
>
> Affirmative action or the good old boys network; which do you think
> has produced more money for those less deserving? I'm willing to bet
> the latter by a factor with lots of zeroes after it.
>
> Why do the illegal aliens come to the US? For the jobs. Who benifits
> by hiring those desperate enough to come here illegally? The CEOs and
> stock holders of Hormel, WalMart, Tyson, McDonalds and so many others.
> Yet, you and others attack the poor and huddled masses yearning to be
> free, instead of attacking those in power who prosper from the decline
> of the US middle class. This makes me think you are a cyber bully who
> picks on the weak and licks the boot of the oppressors. Cowards and
> hypocrites, each and everyone of you.
>
Not being a Marxist or collectivist, I'm immune to your bullshit.
Americans are not supposed to give money to the federal government.
All they are obligated to do by the Constitution is pay their share
of the previous year's budget. If people were cheated they were cheated
by those in government. The buck stopped with those responsible. The
Constitution was written to limit government. not feed or grow it.
Don't lay corporate malfeasance on us. The corporation is a legal
fiction designed to partner politicians in their control of
society. It should not exist.
Before the unconstitutional Federal Reserve and Income Tax
Act among other scams, government power was automatically limited.
Without the capacity to print and inflate money, it cannot do mischief.
I, nor any other American owes Blacks, women, cripples, huddled
masses, homosexuals, Indians, illegal aliens or any other federal
favorite, anything.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers
>>
> I propose the easier way to accomplish the same thing is to start
> arresting those who hire illegals, there are much fewer of them. First
> offense confiscate their wealth they made from paying substandard
> wages, second time real prison time. Make those who hire and the
> executives in charge responsible for their actions. A few hundred of
> them in prison and the demand for illegal labor would plummet.
>
> Throwing the employers in jail would mean less traffic at the border,
> easier to control and less violence. Then if the problems of the
> "illegal welfare queen" is still a problem we would have a much better
> handle on the situation and big buisness wouldn't have a vested
> intrest in keeping the status quo.
I'm all for throwing employers in prison when they hire illegals but
that is expensive. Our first goal should be takiing all the
incentives we give them to come here and then most would leave. We
need to.
1. end birthright citizenship
2. end all govt benefits for illegals (that includes schooling and ER
useage of course}
3. mandate e-verify for all jobs
Those 3 measures wouldn't cost a thing.
Bill Graham
A guy comes to my door. He says, "Your yard needs some work. I will clean it
up, and haul away the trash for $50." I look around at my yard, and I think
$50 to get it cleaned up is a bargain. So, if I hire the guy, you think I
should be thrown in jail? You want me to do $200 worth of investigation to
make sure he isn't an illegal alien before I let the guy clean up my yard?
And how come none of those "good US citizens" that are camping down there
under the freeway overpass don't come a knocking at my door looking for
work? If the guy sends $25 of the 50 I give him to his sister in Mexico to
feed her kids for a week, you think I care?
This is a free country. There is no way in hell you can amass enough
policemen to keep me from hiring that guy. So, you are talking about an
unenforceable law. And, as a libertarian, I live to break unenforceable
laws. When there are no more unenforceable laws for me to break, then I will
be able to die happy.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS
HAHAHA. Illegals are bankrupting america but you want them to stay
cause you're too lazy to clean your own yard. You're no libertarian;
you're a stupid liberal and should be shot.
RD Sandman
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If that is your criteria for life, you will have a long, long (hopefully
prosperous) one. ;^)
--
Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Life is like a bowl of habeneros...what you do today
may well burn your ass tomorrow.
RD Sandman
<josego...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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Errrr, Speedy, I don't think he is a liberal. I am and I know that he
isn't.
Bill Graham
I am not a liberal. I am 75, and I can't clean up my own yard. If I could, I
would. But that is beside the point. The point is the illegal aliens have
been let in this country, and are now too numerous to deport. And, they are,
for the most part, hard workers and people like me, who need them, will hire
them and you can't stop it. So, what now, coach?
Scout
"Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Bullshit. They are not to numerous to deport, particularly if you set things
up so they will self deport. In short, if they can't get jobs, can't get
housing, and so on, then they will leave.
For the rest, largely criminals, you simply collect them over time and do
whatever the law requires.
Personally, I think if we simply worked to eliminate the revolving door on
the border, also know as the catch and release program, we could do wonders.
Personally, I think we should ramp up the penalties for being here illegally
and consider even the possibility of forced labor. After all, if we can
impose slavery as a punishment for crime, then I don't think it could be
considered cruel and unusual to put them to work. I say that if they want to
come here to work, then when caught we should see to it they do. The
proceeds from their labor can go to fund the entire system.
Sorry, but saying we can't do anything is nonsense. There are a lot of means
and ways to address their presence here and either get them to leave on
their own and/or make them leave and never wish to return.
Bill Graham
Tell you what. Nobody can do anything about them unless you can find them.
So, first you figure out how to do that, and then we can talk turkey.
And, speaking of turkey, have a nice Thanksgiving....
Steve from Colorado
Best post I've read all year. Brilliant!
Scout
"Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Finding them is easy, if we chose to do so.
With employer information doing a cross check to verify Name/SSN could be
automatic. You could even program the system to look for geographic
differences and the number of hours worked, cross check banking records,
then utilities, and even rentals.
Most of this information is already on computer and the bulk of it already
reported to the government, some of it may require changes in the reporting
periods, and even that some items be reported. However, none of it is a
particular complex task and would easily allow you to weed out the bulk of
normal activities, leaving just a relatively small percentage of events that
trip flags for further investigation. Many of those could probably be
resolved with a phone call or a simple letter.
Our problem isn't finding them. We do that now, and we could do a better job
if we wanted to. The problem is what to do once we catch them. With the
current catch and release policy we're simply recycling the same people over
and over and over, and they suffer next to nothing for a vast multitude of
offenses.
> So, first you figure out how to do that, and then we can talk turkey.
>
> And, speaking of turkey, have a nice Thanksgiving....
Thanks.
Steve from Colorado
They'll spend the money he sends back to Mexico to bring the brothers,
sisters, cousins, aunts, uncles and other Mexicans up to your
community when he tells them the Gringos are suckers in your town and
hire them to clean up their trashy yards, no questioned asked.
> This is a free country. There is no way in hell you can amass enough
> policemen to keep me from hiring that guy. So, you are talking about an
> unenforceable law. And, as a libertarian, I live to break unenforceable
> laws.
That's why the Libertarian party will forever remain part of the
lunatic fringe of America, never able to garner more than a dozen or
so votes in any election.
>When there are no more unenforceable laws for me to break, then I will
> be able to die happy.
Or in prison.
Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year
> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS"
>
> > HAHAHA. Illegals are bankrupting america but you want them to stay
> > cause you're too lazy to clean your own yard. You're no libertarian;
> > you're a stupid liberal and should be shot.
>
> Errrr, Speedy, I don't think he is a liberal. I am and I know that he
> isn't.
>
Anyone who supports illegals is wooly-brained do-gooder moron liberal.
Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year
<me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
> "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
>
> > I am not a liberal. I am 75, and I can't clean up my own yard. If I could,
> > I would. But that is beside the point. The point is the illegal aliens
> > have been let in this country, and are now too numerous to deport.
>
> Bullshit. They are not to numerous to deport, particularly if you set things
> up so they will self deport. In short, if they can't get jobs, can't get
> housing, and so on, then they will leave.
>
Yes indeed. Take away their jobs and govt benefits and these
parasites will self-deport. Getting rid off illegals is very easy to
accomplish. Our officials simply won't do it because they're all
taking bribes from treasonous companies like walmart that make a
fortune off illegals. Some are taking bribes from MX itself.
Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year
<me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
> "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> >
>
> Finding them is easy, if we chose to do so.
>
> With employer information doing a cross check to verify Name/SSN could be
> automatic. You could even program the system to look for geographic
> differences and the number of hours worked, cross check banking records,
> then utilities, and even rentals.
>
We already have in place the e-verify system but it only is required
for hiring govt workers. It should be made mandatory for all job
applications. If grammy the loon wants to hire someone to clean his
dump he should call the govt to see if they're legal. He won't do it
cause he's a criminal who likes to help other criminals.
Mrs Irish Mike
I'm all aboard on the E-verify.
The medical care is another thing. The US spends alot of money in
forgien aid and charity to help the sick and poor. To throw people out
of hospital beds is both un-American and bad publicity for our
agendas. Ending employment opportunities for illegals will slow the
border crossings to a more managable level. If medical care for
illegals is still a problem after full employment is attained and
wages rise, then we can adress iti n short order.
Same with education opportunities. Education is always good for the
common good. If the illegal is educated he has something to take back
to his home coutry that could make for a better country and better
relations with ours. If someone crosses a desert to be educated, then
this is not the person we need to spend resources going after.
Regarding Bill Grahams 'need' to hire illegals, his few dollars is
just a spit in the ocean. The problem is with corporations and
contractors using illegals to keep wages down. When I was young, the
neighborhood kids could be counted on to do yard work, baby sit and
otherwise assist the elderly-- all jobs now dominated by illegal
labor. Times they are a changin'. Meg Whitman lost the governorship in
large part because it was revealed she hired an illegal alien
housekeeper, shame on any one who hires someone other than an American
just to save a couple of dollars.
Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year
> .
>
> Same with education opportunities. Education is always good for the
> common good. If the illegal is educated he has something to take back
> to his home coutry that could make for a better country and better
> relations with ours. If someone crosses a desert to be educated, then
> this is not the person we need to spend resources going after.
>
HAHAHA. Now that is just silly liberal nonsense. Let mexico educate
their own people. Andn BTW - nobody crosses the border to get an
education. The parasites come here to work or steal and just bring
their brats with them or breed new ones while here and dump them on
the schools.
Bill Graham
>> I, nor any other American owes Blacks, women, cripples, huddled
>> masses, homosexuals, Indians, illegal aliens or any other federal
>> favorite, anything.
>
anything, (except the, "cripples" who are not responsible for their
inability to work.) All the others are perfectly capable of getting a good
education, and spending 40 years accumulating money as did I.
Bill Graham
But when Arizona drafted a simple law that allowed their policemen to just
check out whether someone was illegal or not, it was shot down by the SC. So
all the things you suggest above can't be done. These people already have
"citizen" status just by the mere fact that they exist here.
Bill Graham
Not if they are unenforceable, I won't. All these laws do is take away the
average citizen's respect for the law, and encourage them to break other,
more reasonable laws. I was born and raised in an environment filled with
unenforceable laws, and I have seen them proliferate throughout my entire
life. Today, there are more of them than ever, and more criminals than ever,
too. The average cop on the beat can arrest virtually anyone he comes
across. There are so many stupid laws he can enforce that nobody could
possible go more than five minutes without breaqking at least one of them.
So, we are living under a circumstance where the lowest individual around
has the power of your life, time and money in the palm of his hand. You can
be arrested, booked, held 48 hours, asked to put up bail, and be released
without adequate transportation just because some "clerk" doesn't like the
way you look. Do you really like living under these circumstances? If the
local cop doesn't like you for some pribate reason, he can make your life a
living hell. Right now, there is an intersection at the3 foot of the bridge
I have to cross in order to get home every day, and I can't make a right
turn at this bridge, so I have to go an extra couple of blocks in order to
cross that intersection from another direction because of a "mechanicll cop"
that tickets me for not breaking the law. This is just one small example of
what I am talking about. There are lots of others.
And, there are a hell of a lot more libertarians than you seem to think.
Most of us vote Republican because we live under a two party system, and
voting the libertarian party ticket would be a loser. But I talk to these
people all the time, and I know the way they think, and its classic
libertarian, believe me.
Bill Graham
Also, most of these people will vote for Democrats, because the Dems are
fond of stealing my money and giving it away to the "poor". (and anyone else
who didn't earn it) So, the Democrats are not about to make any laws that
would encourage them to leave or vote otherwise. And, right now, the
Democratsw are in power.
Bill Graham
This is true. When I was a kid, we canvassed the neighborhood looking for
work. I can remember making several dollars shoveling snow off the sidewalks
and driveways of my neighbors every Winter. Today, if the doorbell rings and
its someone looking for work, 99% of the time, its a Mexican. So, something
has changed. Where are the teenagers? I would certainly rather hire them if
they were there. But the fact is, I will hire whomever I have to hire, and
whomever need, and wants the work.....The one who is standing at my door
when I open it.
Bill Graham
That's mostly true. But who would you rather live with. People who come here
to work and educate their children, or bums who smoke dope and sleep under
the freeway overpasses? I don't like having to pay for people who screwed
off their whole lives and are now being paid by Obama (with my tax dollars)
to sit around and do nothing. But when I look around me, I don't see the
illegal aliens doing that. The ones I see doing that are my fellow
Americans. As I say, when the doorbell rings and its someone looking for
work, the chances are very high its a Mexican.
Mitchell Holman
What we need is an earnest debate between the Republicans
who want all illegals deported and the Republicans (farmers,
ranchers, construction foremen, Lou Dobbs) who keep hiring
them.
But what the heck, it is all the fault of those darn
Democrats, ya know?
Mitchell Holman
>
>
> But when Arizona drafted a simple law that allowed their policemen to
> just check out whether someone was illegal or not, it was shot down by
> the SC.
Well, that IS the "original intent" of the
Founding Fathers, who extended all the benefits
of the Bill of Rights to the PEOPLE, not the
"citizens".
Mitchell Holman
>
>
> And, there are a hell of a lot more libertarians than you seem to
> think. Most of us vote Republican because we live under a two party
> system, and voting the libertarian party ticket would be a loser.
Of course, there WAS a libertarian running for
president in 2008 (Ron Paul), but the Republicans
soundly rejected him.
They don't want smaller government, they want
a bigger government that carries out THEIR agenda.
"The increase in discretionary spending � that is, all
nonentitlement programs � in Bush�s first term was 48.5
percent in nominal terms. That�s more than twice as
large as the increase in discretionary spending during
Clinton�s entire two terms (21.6 percent), and just
higher than Lyndon Johnson�s entire discretionary
spending spree (48.3 percent). In other words, Bush has
expanded federal nonentitlement programs in his first
term almost twice as fast each year as Lyndon Johnson
did during his entire presidency."
http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0510-26.pdf
Espanuelo
The illegal aliens would not go even that cease employment
opportunities.
The second stage is the formation of permanent ghettos.
RD Sandman
We can't afford to deport them but there are some coyotes, I would like to
see get pushed out of an airplane at 13,000 feet.
And, they are, for the most part, hard workers and people like
> me, who need them, will hire them and you can't stop it.
What makes you think I am trying to stop them? I have nothing against the
illegals and if the situation were reversed, I would be trying to get into
Mexico. Fortunately, it isn't reversed, so I can kick back, enjoy myself
and the fruits of their labors.
--
Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Experience is learning from your mistakes....
Wisdom is learning from the mistakes of others.
RD Sandman
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That we could afford. We, however, as a country, cannot afford the cost
to deport several million of them.
In short, if they can't get jobs,
> can't get housing, and so on, then they will leave.
Many of them are completely settled, own homes and have jobs and an
education.
> For the rest, largely criminals, you simply collect them over time and
> do whatever the law requires.
And those I am in favor of treating like coyotes.
> Personally, I think if we simply worked to eliminate the revolving
> door on the border, also know as the catch and release program, we
> could do wonders.
Actually, we simply need to close the border in one direction.
> Personally, I think we should ramp up the penalties for being here
> illegally and consider even the possibility of forced labor. After
> all, if we can impose slavery as a punishment for crime, then I don't
> think it could be considered cruel and unusual to put them to work.
Entering illegally is a crime. However, if the situation were reversed
and Mexico was the rich country and we were the poor one, you and I would
probably be side by side trying to sneak south. ;)
> I
> say that if they want to come here to work, then when caught we should
> see to it they do. The proceeds from their labor can go to fund the
> entire system.
>
> Sorry, but saying we can't do anything is nonsense.
He didn't say we couldn't do anything. He said we can't afford to ship
them all back.
There are a lot of
> means and ways to address their presence here and either get them to
> leave on their own and/or make them leave and never wish to return.
That's true, but to the Indians, the interloper is us.
RD Sandman
It was shot down by a federal judge who prevented some portions of it
from going into effect. The rest of the law did on August 1. It has
been heard by the Ninth Circuit but no decision has yet been released.
Then, if Arizona loses, the governor is saying that the next step is the
Surpreme Court.
So all the things you suggest above can't be done. These
> people already have "citizen" status just by the mere fact that they
> exist here.
>
>
--
Scout
"RD Sandman" <rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> wrote in message
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Wouldn't be that expensive, for the few that are left.
> In short, if they can't get jobs,
>> can't get housing, and so on, then they will leave.
>
> Many of them are completely settled, own homes and have jobs and an
> education.
yep, and when they are deported they will lose all of that.
So what's your point?
>> For the rest, largely criminals, you simply collect them over time and
>> do whatever the law requires.
>
> And those I am in favor of treating like coyotes.
Yep, most of those who aren't hardened criminals would self deport once it
became clear that they would no longer be permitted to stay, particularly if
confiscation were part of the mix for those who are caught. After all, a
valid argument could be made that their assets are the proceeds of crime.
>> Personally, I think if we simply worked to eliminate the revolving
>> door on the border, also know as the catch and release program, we
>> could do wonders.
>
> Actually, we simply need to close the border in one direction.
Agreed, because I don't care how many people chose to sneak into Mexico.
>> Personally, I think we should ramp up the penalties for being here
>> illegally and consider even the possibility of forced labor. After
>> all, if we can impose slavery as a punishment for crime, then I don't
>> think it could be considered cruel and unusual to put them to work.
>
> Entering illegally is a crime. However, if the situation were reversed
> and Mexico was the rich country and we were the poor one, you and I would
> probably be side by side trying to sneak south. ;)
Probably, but I would recognize that what I'm doing is illegal and I might
be held responsible for my crimes.
>> I
>> say that if they want to come here to work, then when caught we should
>> see to it they do. The proceeds from their labor can go to fund the
>> entire system.
>>
>> Sorry, but saying we can't do anything is nonsense.
>
> He didn't say we couldn't do anything. He said we can't afford to ship
> them all back.
Hardly, if we can afford to ship troops, tanks, guns, ships, aircraft and
whatnot half way around the world, I think we can afford to bus people to
Mexico. Further, if the cost is that much of an issue, then asset forfeiture
could assist in paying for the program.
> There are a lot of
>> means and ways to address their presence here and either get them to
>> leave on their own and/or make them leave and never wish to return.
>
> That's true, but to the Indians, the interloper is us.
yep, and see what happens when you don't control the interlopers. :-)
RD Sandman
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>> Entering illegally is a crime. However, if the situation were
>> reversed and Mexico was the rich country and we were the poor one,
>> you and I would probably be side by side trying to sneak south. ;)
>
> Probably, but I would recognize that what I'm doing is illegal and I
> might be held responsible for my crimes.
I think they do too. One reason they tend to stick to the shadows.
>>> I
>>> say that if they want to come here to work, then when caught we
>>> should see to it they do. The proceeds from their labor can go to
>>> fund the entire system.
>>>
>>> Sorry, but saying we can't do anything is nonsense.
>>
>> He didn't say we couldn't do anything. He said we can't afford to
>> ship them all back.
>
> Hardly, if we can afford to ship troops, tanks, guns, ships, aircraft
> and whatnot half way around the world, I think we can afford to bus
> people to Mexico.
That's a couple parts to the problem. One, we shouldn't have our troops
everywhere when we can use them here. We should tell Karzai, for
example, oh, you really don't want us here? Hell, that's easy to fix, we
will pull out next Tuesday and this will be all yours. Then on Tuesday
you darken the sky with airplanes and make Afghanistant look like the
fall of Saigon. Sayonara, Karzai.
The second half of that is that many of those here are not Mexican. Some
are from El Salvadore, Costa Rica, Guatemala, etc.. Little further than
a short bus ride to Mexico which, from here, is about an hour.
Further, if the cost is that much of an issue, then
> asset forfeiture could assist in paying for the program.
Most of them don't really have much assets so I don't know whose you are
going to forfeit. Besides, I have to agree with Bill Graham in that if
someone shows up at my door looking for work and I need some done, I may
well hire them. And, further agreeing with him, I would bet that the
odds are a lot more that it will be an illegal looking for honest work
than it will be some of the lazy, drugged out trash Americans that are
hanging around under bridges and freeway overpasses.
>> There are a lot of
>>> means and ways to address their presence here and either get them to
>>> leave on their own and/or make them leave and never wish to return.
>>
>> That's true, but to the Indians, the interloper is us.
>
> yep, and see what happens when you don't control the interlopers. :-)
Lookout, Sitting Bull come get you. ;)
Mrs Irish Mike
>
> The second half of that is that many of those here are not Mexican. Some
> are from El Salvadore, Costa Rica, Guatemala, etc.. Little further than
> a short bus ride to Mexico which, from here, is about an hour.
>
What about the illegal Irish? Why not bring them into the fray? At
least the Latin Americans are trying to escape poverty, not so the
Irish. We are fighting a war against religous extremists, yet we give
a wink and a nod to illegals from Ireland, the place terrorists go to
to learn how to be a terrorist. Racism? Maybe. Hypocritical? For sure.
Bill Graham
Of course. Both parties want bigger government, because they both ARE the
government, and they both want to be bigger. The nation is already half
socialist, and we are rapidly rushing toward becoming 100% socialist.
Personally, I don't see any end to it. Voting Republican may slow it down a
little, but stop it? - No way! Everybody wants a free hand out, and nobody
has the ghost of an idea where the money comes from....Apparently they all
think it grows on a big tree in Washington DC. The schools certainly don't
teach them otherwise. Our nation is going to Hell in a handbasket, and I am
very lucky to be 75 and have lived most of my life in relative ease, because
the next 75 years are going to be pretty miserable for a lot of people.
Scout
"RD Sandman" <rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> wrote in message
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> "Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
> news:icpat3$9bt$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>
>>> Entering illegally is a crime. However, if the situation were
>>> reversed and Mexico was the rich country and we were the poor one,
>>> you and I would probably be side by side trying to sneak south. ;)
>>
>> Probably, but I would recognize that what I'm doing is illegal and I
>> might be held responsible for my crimes.
>
> I think they do too. One reason they tend to stick to the shadows.
Well, with the rather lack-luster enforcement "the shadows" are all but
impossible to tell from out in the open.
>>>> I
>>>> say that if they want to come here to work, then when caught we
>>>> should see to it they do. The proceeds from their labor can go to
>>>> fund the entire system.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but saying we can't do anything is nonsense.
>>>
>>> He didn't say we couldn't do anything. He said we can't afford to
>>> ship them all back.
>>
>> Hardly, if we can afford to ship troops, tanks, guns, ships, aircraft
>> and whatnot half way around the world, I think we can afford to bus
>> people to Mexico.
>
> That's a couple parts to the problem. One, we shouldn't have our troops
> everywhere when we can use them here.
Agreed. Bad case of military adventurism abroad.
> We should tell Karzai, for
> example, oh, you really don't want us here? Hell, that's easy to fix, we
> will pull out next Tuesday and this will be all yours. Then on Tuesday
> you darken the sky with airplanes and make Afghanistant look like the
> fall of Saigon. Sayonara, Karzai.
Personally, I would tend more towards small scale black ops, but that's just
me.
> The second half of that is that many of those here are not Mexican. Some
> are from El Salvadore, Costa Rica, Guatemala, etc.. Little further than
> a short bus ride to Mexico which, from here, is about an hour.
True, but easy enough to get them back on the cheap. Hell, if I had my way
the confiscation of their assets would tend to finance a lot of it.
> Further, if the cost is that much of an issue, then
>> asset forfeiture could assist in paying for the program.
>
> Most of them don't really have much assets so I don't know whose you are
> going to forfeit.
Perhaps, but I bet most of them have enough to cover their travel expenses,
and when you start looking at all of them, then it becomes a lot better.
Sure, it may not cover all the expenses, but probably the bulk will be taken
care of. Of course, if it's still too much expense, then we could put them
to work until they earn enough "credit' for their ride out of here. Bet we
could come up with some really nasty, smelling, unpleasant and possibly even
down right dangerous work for them if we look around.
> Besides, I have to agree with Bill Graham in that if
> someone shows up at my door looking for work and I need some done, I may
> well hire them.
That's certainly your choice, and if it turns out the person you hired is
illegal or even an undercover agent, then you might be held accountable for
your failure to screen who you hire.
> And, further agreeing with him, I would bet that the
> odds are a lot more that it will be an illegal looking for honest work
> than it will be some of the lazy, drugged out trash Americans that are
> hanging around under bridges and freeway overpasses.
I'm sure there will, but easy enough to require such people to have a
license and to invoke harsh penalities for those who don't have them, and
those who hire them.
>>> There are a lot of
>>>> means and ways to address their presence here and either get them to
>>>> leave on their own and/or make them leave and never wish to return.
>>>
>>> That's true, but to the Indians, the interloper is us.
>>
>> yep, and see what happens when you don't control the interlopers. :-)
>
> Lookout, Sitting Bull come get you. ;)
If they had done so early on it would have been better for them.
Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year
>
> This is true. When I was a kid, we canvassed the neighborhood looking for
> work. I can remember making several dollars shoveling snow off the sidewalks
> and driveways of my neighbors every Winter. Today, if the doorbell rings and
> its someone looking for work, 99% of the time, its a Mexican. So, something
> has changed. Where are the teenagers? I would certainly rather hire them if
> they were there. But the fact is, I will hire whomever I have to hire, and
> whomever need, and wants the work.....The one who is standing at my door
Then you're breaking the law - just like your illegal buds.
Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year
> "Scout" <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote innews:ickmp7$5f1$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>
>
> > can't get housing, and so on, then they will leave.
>
> Many of them are completely settled, own homes and have jobs and an
> education.
>
So what? They're still here illegally and should be deported. Do we
leave bank robbers alone just because they're "settled" and own a
home?? Think you idiot.
Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year
.
>
> Besides, I have to agree with Bill Graham in that if
> someone shows up at my door looking for work and I need some done, I may
> well hire them.
Sure - because you and idiot grammy are the same person as everyone
here has known for a long time.
Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year
> >
> What makes you think I am trying to stop them? I have nothing against the
> illegals and if the situation were reversed, I would be trying to get into
> Mexico. Fortunately, it isn't reversed, so I can kick back, enjoy myself
> and the fruits of their labors.
That's cause you're a bum who doesn't pay taxes. If you paid taxes
you'd resent seeing your money spent of free health care and free k-12
for ppl that aren't even allowed to be here!!!
Bill Graham
> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
. Meg Whitman lost the governorship
>> in large part because it was revealed she hired an illegal alien
>> housekeeper, shame on any one who hires someone other than an
>> American just to save a couple of dollars.
And to save hours of time looking for someone to do the work, and filling
out many forms for FICA, medicare, etc, etc, and providing insurance for
industrial accidents and, in general, entering the liberal world, which is
to say, entering a royal pain in the ass. Also, whatever happened to
freedom? Why am I not free to say to some guy, "Hey buddy, would you like to
make a hundred dollars helping me to clear the blackberry bushes out of my
back yard? Now, the liberals have made that a criminal offence. Well,
luckily, it is a non-enforceable criminal offence, so they will have to wait
until all the Bill Graham's in the world are dead before they can expect the
other sheep to obey it...:^)
Bill Graham
> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9E3C76ABF...@216.196.121.131...
>> education.
>
> yep, and when they are deported they will lose all of that.
I knew a couple from San Salvadore who came here, had two children, (girls)
stayed here until they got an education and got married, and then
voluntarily left and went back to San Salvadore. They just wanted their kids
to have a half assed chance for a life. The guy was a superb auto mechanic.
He did more work in fifteen years than all those bums down under the
freeway overpass will do in their entire lives. And today his daughters are
raising their own kids, and you can bet they aren't going to be drug addicts
either.
Bill Graham
> day.... All the unenforceable ones. Furthermore, I am proud of it. I
> believe in what Spencer Tracy said in, "Jugement at Nuremberg" - It is
> not the right, but the responsibility, of good men to break bad laws.
We have too damn many laws, and the ones we should get rid of first, are the
unenforceable ones. Their very existence teaches disrespect for the
important ones.
When there is a knock on my door, and I open it to find one of those bums
down under the freeway overpass looking for work, and he says to me that he
is having trouble finding a job because of all the illegal aliens, than I
might have some reason to change my mind. But don't hold your breath.....
Bill Graham
Couldn't have been too long. I only started posting here about two months
ago. Were you born in NYC, RD?
Bill Graham
I pay taxes, and you want to know what I resent? I resent my president
giving $3500 to that bum down the block with all the junkers all over his
front lawn, pulling down our property values. Especially when I pedelled a
bicycle to work for ten years and didn't burn any gasoline at all. And the
government gives him my tax money to buy a new car? Where is my $3500?
Scout
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<yawn>
So because their kids turned out ok, that's reason totally ignore the issue
of immigration violations?
>
Scout
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> Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year wrote:
>> On Nov 25, 10:46 pm, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is true. When I was a kid, we canvassed the neighborhood
>>> looking for work. I can remember making several dollars shoveling
>>> snow off the sidewalks and driveways of my neighbors every Winter.
>>> Today, if the doorbell rings and its someone looking for work, 99%
>>> of the time, its a Mexican. So, something has changed. Where are the
>>> teenagers? I would certainly rather hire them if they were there.
>>> But the fact is, I will hire whomever I have to hire, and whomever
>>> need, and wants the work.....The one who is standing at my door when
>>> I open it.-
>>
>> Then you're breaking the law - just like your illegal buds.I do it every
>> day.... All the unenforceable ones. Furthermore, I am proud of it. I
>> believe in what Spencer Tracy said in, "Jugement at Nuremberg" - It is
>> not the right, but the responsibility, of good men to break bad laws.
>
> We have too damn many laws, and the ones we should get rid of first, are
> the unenforceable ones.
The problem is you haven't identified exactly what makes a law
"unenforceable".
until you can do so, it's pretty hard to identify what we should be getting
rid of, or even if it should be.
Bill Graham
Oh no. I don't expect you to avoid them. I will avoid them because I know
that nobody can do anything about them, and I don't think its that big a
problem. I will continue to bitch about Obams's "cash for clunkers" program
where he gave away MY TAX DOLLARS to a bunch of bums who never thought about
the ecology during their entire lives, while I bicycled to work for ten
years.....
Bill Graham
When you make a dent in those 15 million (estimated) illegal aliens, then I
will consider calling that law enforceable. Until then it is most decidedly
unenforceable.....
Scout
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When you can get me some active enforcement then I will. Just because a law
isn't enforced doesn't mean it isn't unenforceable.
I will simply note your "definition" is totally self serving and I could
impose the numbers for ANY crime and according to your "definition" the law
would be unenforceable.
So are you suggesting we get rid of ALL laws because they are unenforceable?
According to the way you defined it, seems like it.
Now care to post a real definition of what you consider unenforceable or
shall I just consider you to be of limited abilities to hold a reasoned
discussion?
Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year
>
> We have too damn many laws, and the ones we should get rid of first, are the
> unenforceable ones. Their very existence teaches disrespect for the
> important ones.
>
Laws against hiring illegals are very enforceable. The govt just
won't do it. Make e-verify mandatory for all jobs.
RD Sandman
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> On Nov 26, 11:34 am, RD Sandman <rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> wrote:
>> >
>> What makes you think I am trying to stop them? I have nothing
>> against
> the
>> illegals and if the situation were reversed, I would be trying to get
>> int
> o
>> Mexico. Fortunately, it isn't reversed, so I can kick back, enjoy
>> myse
> lf
>> and the fruits of their labors.
>
> That's cause you're a bum who doesn't pay taxes.
I have paid more in taxes than you have earned in your entire life.
If you paid taxes
> you'd resent seeing your money spent of free health care and free k-12
> for ppl that aren't even allowed to be here!!!
I enjoy the cheap labor, the work that they do much better than many of
our lazy bums who opt into the same thing you carp about.
RD Sandman
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>> Besides, I have to agree with Bill Graham in that if
>> someone shows up at my door looking for work and I need some done, I
>> may well hire them.
>
> That's certainly your choice, and if it turns out the person you hired
> is illegal or even an undercover agent, then you might be held
> accountable for your failure to screen who you hire.
Hasn't happened yet and it has been many moons.
>> And, further agreeing with him, I would bet that the
>> odds are a lot more that it will be an illegal looking for honest
>> work than it will be some of the lazy, drugged out trash Americans
>> that are hanging around under bridges and freeway overpasses.
>
> I'm sure there will, but easy enough to require such people to have a
> license and to invoke harsh penalities for those who don't have them,
> and those who hire them.
In the example above, "them" is American bums. What license are you
talking about?
RD Sandman
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I haven't even met the man.
RD Sandman
Nope. Washington state.
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Oh, well.......don't you wish you had the cajones to do so or so that you
could even find a job? ;)
RD Sandman
wrote in
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Just how will that stop me from hiring the dude that shows up at my front
door and wants to trim my hedges?
Mrs Irish Mike
I wasn't going to care if you hired an illegal alien to do your yard
work, but because you keep ranting about your 'right' to hire whomever
I am going to make my case, even if you are too stuck in your ways to
change.
First, Mexicans are not good workers, just an urban myth. If they
were such good workers Mexico would be a wonderful place. Instead it
is a country of poorly built buildings and shoddy products they can't
export anywhere. The only items they export is fresh produce that is
out of season elsewhere, things like eggplant and brocolli.
Second, the reason Mexicans work hard here is because of the
incentive. The US minimum wage is ten times more than in Mexico.
Imagine if you were to go to a country where you were paid ten times
more than you were used to, and that country was much nicer. It would
be like a McDonalds worker was transported to a place where he would
make more than $70 an hour!
The Mexicans here share expenses, living ten to an apartment and save
money so that after ten years or so they can save enough money to buy
a ranchero and raise a family. There is no such incentive for an
American working for minimum wage, or even double the minimum.
You say there are no citizens knocking on your door willing to clean
your yard. Sometimes the right thing to do is not the easiest thing to
do. You could contact the nearest community college and offer the job
for a student under the work-study program, there are plenty of
students needing work. You could advertise on CraigsList.org, you do
know how to work a computer. There are lots of ways to get the word
out and to make America a little better, but instead you exhibit the
laziness you see in others.
If there are Mexicans going door to door looking for work, how can a
young citizen possibly compete with an experienced adult? Our children
are losing the ability to develop good working ethics and skills. And
you contribute to this decline everytime you are too lazy to offer
your job to an American.
RD Sandman
> On Nov 26, 11:39 am, RD Sandman <rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> wrote:
>> "Scout" <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote
>> innews:ickmp7$5
> f1$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>
>>
>> > can't get housing, and so on, then they will leave.
>>
>> Many of them are completely settled, own homes and have jobs and an
>> education.
>>
>
> So what? They're still here illegally and should be deported.
We are 14 trillion dollars in debt.....just where do we get the money to
locate, try, and export 15 million people?
Do we
> leave bank robbers alone just because they're "settled" and own a
> home??
Think you idiot.
I do.....and, obviously, a lot more than you.
RD Sandman
news:icqaiv$btr$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
Nope., but when you compare many of them to our own home grown bums, it
appears to me that we are kicking the wrong group out of the country.
Scout
"RD Sandman" <rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> wrote in message
news:Xns9E3D72530...@216.196.121.131...
Perhaps, but currently it isn't illegal for the home grown bums to be here.
SaPeIsMa
news:Xns9E3D71221...@216.196.121.131...
> "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year" <xeto...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in news:f34a8aa5-7e82-4443-b550-f86eb1925b05
> @w2g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Nov 26, 3:37 pm, RD Sandman <rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> wrote:
>> .
>>>
>>> Besides, I have to agree with Bill Graham in that if
>>> someone shows up at my door looking for work and I need some done, I
> may
>>> well hire them.
>>
>> Sure - because you and idiot grammy are the same person as everyone
>> here has known for a long time.
>>
>
> I haven't even met the man.
>
How could you "meet the man" if you are the same person ?
:-))
I'm still waiting to "meet myself and I"...
RD Sandman
Wpx2zRnZ2dn...@bright.net:
> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9E3D71221...@216.196.121.131...
>> "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year" <xeton2001
@yahoo.com>
>> wrote in news:f34a8aa5-7e82-4443-b550-f86eb1925b05
>> @w2g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> On Nov 26, 3:37 pm, RD Sandman <rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> wrote:
>>> .
>>>>
>>>> Besides, I have to agree with Bill Graham in that if
>>>> someone shows up at my door looking for work and I need some done, I
>> may
>>>> well hire them.
>>>
>>> Sure - because you and idiot grammy are the same person as everyone
>>> here has known for a long time.
>>>
>>
>> I haven't even met the man.
>>
>
> How could you "meet the man" if you are the same person ?
> :-))
> I'm still waiting to "meet myself and I"...
Actually, we are a trio. There is me, myself and I.
RD Sandman
news:75b08d54-7d3f-4f85...@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com:
No, it isn't. Most Mexicans are very hard workers who do an excellent
job. There are exceptions just like the residents of this country who
sleep all day under a bridge, beg on street corners, etc..
If they
> were such good workers Mexico would be a wonderful place.
Mexico is a wonderful place. It just doesn't pay for shit.
Instead it
> is a country of poorly built buildings and shoddy products they can't
> export anywhere. The only items they export is fresh produce that is
> out of season elsewhere, things like eggplant and brocolli.
Rather ignorant about Mexico, I see.
> Second, the reason Mexicans work hard here is because of the
> incentive. The US minimum wage is ten times more than in Mexico.
Now, you are starting to see reality.
> Imagine if you were to go to a country where you were paid ten times
> more than you were used to, and that country was much nicer. It would
> be like a McDonalds worker was transported to a place where he would
> make more than $70 an hour!
It is the wage structure.
> The Mexicans here share expenses, living ten to an apartment and save
> money so that after ten years or so they can save enough money to buy
> a ranchero and raise a family. There is no such incentive for an
> American working for minimum wage, or even double the minimum.
I could assume that is because the Americans lacking that incentive to
work for minimum wage have been too spoiled by our system (both formal
and informal) of handouts to those we deem needy.
> You say there are no citizens knocking on your door willing to clean
> your yard. Sometimes the right thing to do is not the easiest thing to
> do. You could contact the nearest community college and offer the job
> for a student under the work-study program, there are plenty of
> students needing work. You could advertise on CraigsList.org, you do
> know how to work a computer. There are lots of ways to get the word
> out and to make America a little better, but instead you exhibit the
> laziness you see in others.
Not necessarily. I may not be intending to trim my hedges or mow my lawn
this week but that opportunity to have it done came a knockin'.
> If there are Mexicans going door to door looking for work, how can a
> young citizen possibly compete with an experienced adult? Our children
> are losing the ability to develop good working ethics and skills.
That's a parental problem not an illegal alien problem.
And
> you contribute to this decline everytime you are too lazy to offer
> your job to an American.
He didn't decline to offer it to an American, it was simply an American
didn't show up offering to do it.
RD Sandman
news:icrkd9$u5r$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
Agreed, but I would rather have hard working Mexicans working for me than
lazy ass white folk.
SaPeIsMa
> "SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@HotMail.com> wrote in news:va-dnajHy-
> Wpx2zRnZ2dn...@bright.net:
>
>> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9E3D71221...@216.196.121.131...
>>> "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year" <xeton2001
> @yahoo.com>
>>> wrote in news:f34a8aa5-7e82-4443-b550-f86eb1925b05
>>> @w2g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> On Nov 26, 3:37 pm, RD Sandman <rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> wrote:
>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides, I have to agree with Bill Graham in that if
>>>>> someone shows up at my door looking for work and I need some done, I
>>> may
>>>>> well hire them.
>>>>
>>>> Sure - because you and idiot grammy are the same person as everyone
>>>> here has known for a long time.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I haven't even met the man.
>>>
>>
>> How could you "meet the man" if you are the same person ?
>> :-))
>> I'm still waiting to "meet myself and I"...
>
> Actually, we are a trio. There is me, myself and I.
>
Hey
How come you got one more than me...?
RD Sandman
WzRnZ2dnU...@bright.net:
I is not there. ;)
Bill Graham
Speaking of limited abilities.....How about the law that says you can't
carry a loaded pistol in your pocket? I have been living with that one all
of my life, and I have the same pistol in my pocket right now that I had
when I was 25 years old. (I am 75) Obviously, this is one of those thousands
of unenforceable laws on the books. Laws that I am forced by my philosophy
to break every chance I get. Since we have no control over our borders, and
there are already over 15 million illegal aliens here, I suggest that the
law prohibiting me from hiring illegal aliens is one of the unenforceable
ones..... Therefore, I do break it, and will continue to do so until it is
either repealed or becomes enforceable.
Bill Graham
I don't even know what, "e-verify" means. But whatever it means, when I open
the front door and someone is standing there looking for work, I will hire
him on the spot and plese tell me, in detail, (without using strange terms
like e-verify), how anyone is going to know it and/or stop me? And, if you
can't do that, please admit to me that this law is unenforceable.
Bill Graham
> "Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:QuGdncC1jvDFNG3R...@giganews.com:
>
>> Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year wrote:
>>> On Nov 26, 3:37 pm, RD Sandman <rdsandman@comcast[remove].net>
>>> wrote: .
>>>>
>>>> Besides, I have to agree with Bill Graham in that if
>>>> someone shows up at my door looking for work and I need some done,
>>>> I may well hire them.
>>>
>>> Sure - because you and idiot grammy are the same person as everyone
>>> here has known for a long time.
>>
>> Couldn't have been too long. I only started posting here about two
>> months ago. Were you born in NYC, RD?
>>
>>
>
> Nope. Washington state.
I was born in the "New York Dispensary for Women and Children" in lower
Manhattan in 1935, and moved to the West coast in 1952. I now live in Salem,
Oregon. I think that CDM35 just can't believe that there are actually two
people alive today who disagree with him....:^)