A hate crime by homosexuals, with no Gay outcry.
Ban Queers
�Silence of homosexuals is deafening when it comes to their own
murdering innocent people�
A pro-family organization in Pennsylvania is raising questions
about the lack of outrage over the murder of a man named
Shephard in a dispute involving homosexuality.
No, not Matthew Shepard, whose murder in Wyoming a decade ago
has been used by �gay� activists ever since as a reason to
demand enhanced �hate� crimes for anyone who perpetrates
criminal activity against a homosexual.
This case involves an innocent man who was murdered by a
homosexual when the victim resisted his attacker�s sexual
advances.
The latest case involves Jason Shephard, 23, who was attacked
and killed by Bill Smithson, an openly homosexual man, who
slipped the victim the date rape drug GHD and attempted to rape
him.
�The silence of homosexuals is deafening when it comes to their
own murdering innocent people. The murders of both Matthew
Shepard and Jason Shephard were tragic, but one murder is being
used by homosexual activists to push their agenda of special
rights. No additional laws are needed � murder is murder, but
apparently the murder of Matthew Shepard was more important for
those pushing an agenda,� said Diane Gramley, president of the
AFA of PA.
If this was not a hate crime, then the case wherein another man
named, Shepard (Matthew), was murdered was not a hate crime. I
am against hate crime laws, they are thought crimes which should
not be able to charged against anyone. Murder is murder, a crime
is a crime.
Oh, and about the Matthew Shepard case, the basis for most hate
crime laws: �the story isn�t accurate. Money for drugs, not
�homophobia,� was the motive for Matthew Shepard�s murder, Aman
noted. The ABC report said Aaron McKinney, sentenced in 1999 to
two life sentences for Shepard�s murder, was on a sleepless week-
long methamphetamine binge and in search of money for more drugs
when he and his accomplice, Russell Henderson, met Shepard at a
bar. McKinney himself has said, �All I wanted to do was beat him
up and rob him.� For Jason Shephard, it was all about homosexual
sex/rape; but Matthew�s case was called a hate crime and Jason�s
just plain murder. Isn�t it fascinating how homosexuals are able
to twist the law to their own advantage?
Jimbo
> Another Shephard slain, but no outcry follows
> ‘Silence of homosexuals is deafening when it comes to their own
Do you have a link to the actual story?
pnyikos
I don't, but here is a story with the same beginning but a different
outcome: the would-be victim successfully fought the "date rape" and
killed his would-be rapist. At least, that is the story told in the
following link:
http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/gov_schwarzenegger.htm
And he is still behind bars after 13 years, was denied parole despite
being a model prisoner (at least according to the site above) and
won't even be eligible for parole again for another five.
Peter Nyikos
Jimbo
I was looking for something from a more official source. If the story
at your link is true, then the rapist got what he deserved, and they
should let this kid out of jail.
Dank 110100100
A quick Google search on "Jason Shephard" and "Bill Smithson" reveals
that this is a real story:
http://www3.allaroundphilly.com/blogs/delcotimes/gils/2008/11/bill-smithson-on-trial.html
http://www.kxmb.com/t/william-smithson
http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=397563
What's interesting is that the national media did not cover this story
at all, which is why I haven't heard of it until now. But substitute
the sexuality of the attacker and victim, and you can be sure that it
would still be the top story on CNN three years later, and there would
be a hate crime law named after the victim.
Jimbo
> On Jul 8, 8:16 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 8, 10:11 pm, Ban Queers <banque...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Another Shephard slain, but no outcry follows
> > > ‘Silence of homosexuals is deafening when it comes to their own
> > > murdering innocent people’
>
> > Do you have a link to the actual story?
>
> A quick Google search on "Jason Shephard" and "Bill Smithson" reveals
> that this is a real story:
>
>
> http://www.stoppingthehate.com/News-Article152-Pennsylvania-Businessm..
A blog...
.
>
> http://www.kxmb.com/t/william-smithson
According to this, it was covered by the AP. A search of the MSNBC
site shows that it was reported, so it did get some national
coverage. What, in your opinion, classifies this as meeting the
criteria for a hate crime?
Dank 110100100
> According to this, it was covered by the AP. A search of the MSNBC
> site shows that it was reported, so it did get some national
> coverage. What, in your opinion, classifies this as meeting the
> criteria for a hate crime?
It seems to have all the elements of the Matthew Shepard case,
including methamphetamine. The only difference I can see is that the
sexual orientations of attacker and victim have been interchanged.
I also do not approve of 'hate crime' laws, since everyone is entitled
to the equal protection of the law regardless of their race, religion,
sexual orientation, etc. But since the leftist gays demanded hate
crime laws to prosecute straights who attack gays, they must be
willing to accept those laws being used to prosecute gays who attack
straights. Equal protection of the laws applies to everyone, and gays
are not more equal than straights.
Jimbo
> On Jul 9, 4:26 am, Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > According to this, it was covered by the AP. A search of the MSNBC
> > site shows that it was reported, so it did get some national
> > coverage. What, in your opinion, classifies this as meeting the
> > criteria for a hate crime?
>
> It seems to have all the elements of the Matthew Shepard case,
> including methamphetamine.
It doesn't appear that the murder was committed because the victim was
heterosexual. The murder took place after the victim started
fighting back hitting his assailant with an object. In the Matthew
Sheppard case, the perps told their girlfriend that that were going to
"off a faggot" before leaving for the bar that night. There are legal
criteria for a hate crime, can you show that this case was a hate
crime?
The only difference I can see is that the
> sexual orientations of attacker and victim have been interchanged.
>
Which does not, by necessity, make it a hate crime.
> I also do not approve of 'hate crime' laws, since everyone is entitled
> to the equal protection of the law regardless of their race, religion,
> sexual orientation, etc. But since the leftist gays demanded hate
> crime laws to prosecute straights who attack gays, they must be
> willing to accept those laws being used to prosecute gays who attack
> straights. Equal protection of the laws applies to everyone, and gays
> are not more equal than straights.
Hate crime legislation observes equal protection. Anyone, gay,
straight, or otherwise that is the victim of a hate crime is
protected. First you have to prove it was a hate crime.
JSPTS
>
> > According to this, it was covered by the AP. A search of the MSNBC
> > site shows that it was reported, so it did get some national
> > coverage. What, in your opinion, classifies this as meeting the
> > criteria for a hate crime?
>
> It seems to have all the elements of the Matthew Shepard case,
> including methamphetamine. The only difference I can see is that the
> sexual orientations of attacker and victim have been interchanged.
>
> I also do not approve of 'hate crime' laws,
Doesn't seem that too many people give much of a fuck about what you
think, honey.
> since everyone is entitled
> to the equal protection of the law regardless of their race, religion,
Yes, and hate crime laws apply to all regardless of their race,
religion, etc.
> sexual orientation, etc.
Ah, well, here we have a little problem, as gays aren't guaranteed the
same rights as straights...
> But since the leftist gays demanded hate
> crime laws to prosecute straights who attack gays, they must be
> willing to accept those laws being used to prosecute gays who attack
> straights.
We are.
> Equal protection of the laws applies to everyone, and gays
> are not more equal than straights.
Correct. So what's your problem?
JTEM
Dank 110100100 <dank...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> What's interesting is that the national media did
> not cover this story at all,
No, what's interesting is that bigots think they should
have. After all, there were about 17,000 murders in
the U.S. last year, and only the tiniest of a fraction
were ever mentioned by the national media.
It's bigotry -- nothing but bigotry -- that says "This
murder is different and should have made the
national news, unlike thousands upon thousands
of others."
Jimbo
> On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:28:13 -0400, Johannes von Ebersdorf
>
>
>
>
>
> <ebersd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:30:02 -0700 (PDT), Dank 110100100
> ><dank...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Jul 8, 8:16 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Jul 8, 10:11 pm, Ban Queers <banque...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> > Another Shephard slain, but no outcry follows
> >>> > ‘Silence of homosexuals is deafening when it comes to their own
> >>> > murdering innocent people’
>
> >>> Do you have a link to the actual story?
>
> >>A quick Google search on "Jason Shephard" and "Bill Smithson" reveals
> >>that this is a real story:
>
>
> >>http://www.stoppingthehate.com/News-Article152-Pennsylvania-Businessm...
>
> >>http://www.kxmb.com/t/william-smithson
>
> >>http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=397563
>
> >>What's interesting is that the national media did not cover this story
> >>at all, which is why I haven't heard of it until now. But substitute
> >>the sexuality of the attacker and victim, and you can be sure that it
> >>would still be the top story on CNN three years later, and there would
> >>be a hate crime law named after the victim.
>
> >extrapolate this isolated case to cover a large population. We get
> >American bank robbers in Toronto from time to time, but it does not
> >follow that all Americans are criminals.
>
> >Gay people are not any more saintly than anybody else, but they are
> >not more violent or aggressive than anybody else either. Criminal
> >statistics say that your example was a rare isolated case. Rapists, in
> >any case, do not rape for the sex but for the power over the victim.
> >The sexual orientation is irrelevant in that case.
>
> You homos always try to pay the angles.
It's not a matter of "playing the angles", it's a matter of what Hate
Crime legislation is, and the criteria that qualifies a crime as a
hate crime. Unless you can show that you actually have a knowledge of
the law, and can demonstrate how the case under discussion qualifies
as a hate crime, you've got nothing.
Dank 110100100
I've noticed that leftists have a tendency to use the term 'bigotry'
to silence critics who point out their hypocrisy. Straight kills
Homosexual = Hate Crime. Homosexual kills Straight = No Hate Crime.
At the very least, the prosecution should have added a hate crime
enhancement to the murder charge, and let the jury decide. The
district attorney did not do this because he was afraid of provoking a
protest and boycott by gay rights activists, so he applied a double
standard to this particular case.
Ray Fischer
>On Jul 9, 9:08| pm, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dank 110100100 <dank...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>> > What's interesting is that the national media did
>> > not cover this story at all,
>>
>> No, what's interesting is that bigots think they should
>> have. After all, there were about 17,000 murders in
>> the U.S. last year, and only the tiniest of a fraction
>> were ever mentioned by the national media.
>>
>> It's bigotry -- nothing but bigotry -- that says "This
>> murder is different and should have made the
>> national news, unlike thousands upon thousands
>> of others."
>
>I've noticed that leftists have a tendency to use the term 'bigotry'
>to silence critics who point out their hypocrisy.
I have noticed that rightards like to whine and blame others for their
own bigotry.
> Straight kills
>Homosexual = Hate Crime. Homosexual kills Straight = No Hate Crime.
Wrong, rightard. It's a hate crime when somebody is murdered BECAUSE
of their sexual orientation.
>At the very least, the prosecution should have added a hate crime
>enhancement to the murder charge, and let the jury decide.
Why?
> The
>district attorney did not do this because he was afraid of provoking
>a
>protest
Bullshit.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Jimbo
> On Jul 9, 9:08 pm, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dank 110100100 <dank...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> > > What's interesting is that the national media did
> > > not cover this story at all,
>
> > No, what's interesting is that bigots think they should
> > have. After all, there were about 17,000 murders in
> > the U.S. last year, and only the tiniest of a fraction
> > were ever mentioned by the national media.
>
> > It's bigotry -- nothing but bigotry -- that says "This
> > murder is different and should have made the
> > national news, unlike thousands upon thousands
> > of others."
>
> I've noticed that leftists have a tendency to use the term 'bigotry'
> to silence critics who point out their hypocrisy. Straight kills
> Homosexual = Hate Crime. Homosexual kills Straight = No Hate Crime.
Are you dense? No matter who kills who, it's not a hate crime unless
it meets the criteria of being a hate crime. Can you show that this
case meets that crteria, or will you just whine about it some more?
Jimbo
>
> At the very least, the prosecution should have added a hate crime
> enhancement to the murder charge,
Based on what?
Diogenes
>> I've noticed that leftists have a tendency to use the term 'bigotry'
>> to silence critics who point out their hypocrisy. Straight kills
>> Homosexual = Hate Crime. Homosexual kills Straight = No Hate Crime.
I have no tolerance for anyone who kills a homo. It should be a
misdemeanor punishable by 30 days in jail or $ 30. (If I were guilty I
would take the $ 30).
Jimbo
> >> I've noticed that leftists have a tendency to use the term 'bigotry'
> >> to silence critics who point out their hypocrisy. Straight kills
> >> Homosexual = Hate Crime. Homosexual kills Straight = No Hate Crime.
>
> ==
> I have no
You have no real evidence to support your assertions. Thanks for
proving that.
Jimbo
Interesting... I kind of figured I'd be hearing Crickets on this
one. LOL!