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Trump Wins Again (Overall) - But Not Enough to Eliminate Contenders
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Mr. B1ack
Mar 1, 2016, 9:56:04 PM3/1/16
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Trump did very well again. Not *perfect*, but "very well".
Not surprising Cruz won Texas ... but it wasn't by the
landslide he was predicting, only about 10%, which
ain't so great for a homeboy.
Rubio is looking better now. Placing a decisive second
in a number of states. So, he and Cruz are gonna be in
this to the bitter end.
The interesting bit is that Trump did well in both Yankeeland
AND Dixie .... clearly not a 'regional' candidate and clearly
not dependent on the 'evangelicals' either.
Not surprising Cruz won Texas ... but it wasn't by the
landslide he was predicting, only about 10%, which
ain't so great for a homeboy.
Rubio is looking better now. Placing a decisive second
in a number of states. So, he and Cruz are gonna be in
this to the bitter end.
The interesting bit is that Trump did well in both Yankeeland
AND Dixie .... clearly not a 'regional' candidate and clearly
not dependent on the 'evangelicals' either.
Beam Me Up Scotty
Mar 1, 2016, 10:14:25 PM3/1/16
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On 03/01/2016 09:56 PM, Mr. B1ack wrote:
> Trump did very well again. Not *perfect*, but "very well".
>
> Not surprising Cruz won Texas ... but it wasn't by the
> landslide he was predicting, only about 10%, which
> ain't so great for a homeboy.
>
> Rubio is looking better now. Placing a decisive second
> in a number of states. So, he and Cruz are gonna be in
> this to the bitter end.
>
Cruz and Rubio are there to cause the Republicans to have to pick their
> Trump did very well again. Not *perfect*, but "very well".
>
> Not surprising Cruz won Texas ... but it wasn't by the
> landslide he was predicting, only about 10%, which
> ain't so great for a homeboy.
>
> Rubio is looking better now. Placing a decisive second
> in a number of states. So, he and Cruz are gonna be in
> this to the bitter end.
>
candidate at the Republican Convention... and if that happens they will
choose an establishment Republican to run on the Republican ticket and
the republicans will all stay home.
> The interesting bit is that Trump did well in both Yankeeland
> AND Dixie .... clearly not a 'regional' candidate and clearly
> not dependent on the 'evangelicals' either.
>
That's Karma
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Governor Swill
Mar 1, 2016, 11:34:47 PM3/1/16
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On Tue, 01 Mar 2016 21:56:03 -0500, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
wrote:
Rubio finally won a state. He missed proportional delegates in a
couple of states, didn't do well in the south but did win Minnesota
with Trump third. Interesting, that one.
Trump didn't sweep, but he won the south and a share of Texas. Why
does Christie look so unhappy at Trump's victory celebration?
Cruz won Texas and Oklahoma but didn't even show in Massachusetts and
Vermont which is too close to call.
Kasich probably figures he'll get Ohio and Rubio is counting on
Florida though that's a bit iffy still. Looks like they're trying to
prevent a Trump win on the first ballot.
Gotta give them credit for not giving up. Rubio's attacks on Trump
seem to have had some effect. Even if he didn't get the votes, Trump
didn't either. CNN exit polls indicated Trump's voters made up their
minds long ago, but the more recently a voter decided, the more likely
they were to vote for somebody else.
If the rest start piling on and the new anti Trump super pacs can get
online quickly, Trump may find the new GOP schedule, designed to give
the early leader an edge, still a fight.
Swill
--
So if you are thinking of voting for Donald Trump,
the charismatic guy promising to ‘Make America Great
Again,’ stop and take a moment to imagine how you
would feel if you just met a guy named Donald Drumpf:
a litigious, serial liar with a string of broken business
ventures and the support of a former Klan leader who
he can’t decide whether or not to condemn,
Would you think he would make a good president,
or is the spell now somewhat broken?
wrote:
couple of states, didn't do well in the south but did win Minnesota
with Trump third. Interesting, that one.
Trump didn't sweep, but he won the south and a share of Texas. Why
does Christie look so unhappy at Trump's victory celebration?
Cruz won Texas and Oklahoma but didn't even show in Massachusetts and
Vermont which is too close to call.
Kasich probably figures he'll get Ohio and Rubio is counting on
Florida though that's a bit iffy still. Looks like they're trying to
prevent a Trump win on the first ballot.
Gotta give them credit for not giving up. Rubio's attacks on Trump
seem to have had some effect. Even if he didn't get the votes, Trump
didn't either. CNN exit polls indicated Trump's voters made up their
minds long ago, but the more recently a voter decided, the more likely
they were to vote for somebody else.
If the rest start piling on and the new anti Trump super pacs can get
online quickly, Trump may find the new GOP schedule, designed to give
the early leader an edge, still a fight.
Swill
--
So if you are thinking of voting for Donald Trump,
the charismatic guy promising to ‘Make America Great
Again,’ stop and take a moment to imagine how you
would feel if you just met a guy named Donald Drumpf:
a litigious, serial liar with a string of broken business
ventures and the support of a former Klan leader who
he can’t decide whether or not to condemn,
Would you think he would make a good president,
or is the spell now somewhat broken?
Governor Swill
Mar 1, 2016, 11:41:28 PM3/1/16
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On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 22:14:18 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
<Their-leaders-prove-the-only-i...@blackhole.nebulax.com>
wrote:
>Cruz and Rubio are there to cause the Republicans to have to pick their
>candidate at the Republican Convention... and if that happens they will
>choose an establishment Republican to run on the Republican ticket and
>the republicans will all stay home.
"GOP's Trump revolt: Too little too late?"
"Mitt Romney, the 2012 Republican nominee who recently reemerged to
predict "a bombshell" in Trump's tax returns, accused Trump Monday of
"coddling ... repugnant bigotry" and called his failure to immediately
condemn the endorsement of former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke
"repugnant & disgusting." (Trump blamed a faulty earpiece; claiming he
misunderstood the question from CNN's Jake Tapper).
"Nebraska Sen. Ben Sasse vowed never to support Trump because of his
"relentless focus" on "dividing Americans." John Cornyn of Texas, the
Senate's No. 2 Republican, predicted that Trump would be "an albatross
around the down-ballot races." Ken Mehlman, who ran George W. Bush's
winning campaign in 2004, penned a Facebook post castigating Trump by
stating that leaders shouldn't need to research whether to reject Klan
support. "They also don't mock people with disabilities, insult war
heroes, divide people by religion and nationality, and insult women.
#NeverTrump," Mehlman wrote."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/29/politics/donald-trump-gop-revolt/index.html
Tom Delay told Chris Matthews that no, he would not support Trump if
he was the nominee and that, "he's dangerous to the country."
<Their-leaders-prove-the-only-i...@blackhole.nebulax.com>
wrote:
>Cruz and Rubio are there to cause the Republicans to have to pick their
>candidate at the Republican Convention... and if that happens they will
>choose an establishment Republican to run on the Republican ticket and
>the republicans will all stay home.
"Mitt Romney, the 2012 Republican nominee who recently reemerged to
predict "a bombshell" in Trump's tax returns, accused Trump Monday of
"coddling ... repugnant bigotry" and called his failure to immediately
condemn the endorsement of former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke
"repugnant & disgusting." (Trump blamed a faulty earpiece; claiming he
misunderstood the question from CNN's Jake Tapper).
"Nebraska Sen. Ben Sasse vowed never to support Trump because of his
"relentless focus" on "dividing Americans." John Cornyn of Texas, the
Senate's No. 2 Republican, predicted that Trump would be "an albatross
around the down-ballot races." Ken Mehlman, who ran George W. Bush's
winning campaign in 2004, penned a Facebook post castigating Trump by
stating that leaders shouldn't need to research whether to reject Klan
support. "They also don't mock people with disabilities, insult war
heroes, divide people by religion and nationality, and insult women.
#NeverTrump," Mehlman wrote."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/29/politics/donald-trump-gop-revolt/index.html
Tom Delay told Chris Matthews that no, he would not support Trump if
he was the nominee and that, "he's dangerous to the country."
Mr. B1ack
Mar 2, 2016, 12:02:49 PM3/2/16
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On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 22:14:18 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
<Their-leaders-prove-the-only-i...@blackhole.nebulax.com>
wrote:
<Their-leaders-prove-the-only-i...@blackhole.nebulax.com>
wrote:
>On 03/01/2016 09:56 PM, Mr. B1ack wrote:
>> Trump did very well again. Not *perfect*, but "very well".
>>
>> Not surprising Cruz won Texas ... but it wasn't by the
>> landslide he was predicting, only about 10%, which
>> ain't so great for a homeboy.
>>
>> Rubio is looking better now. Placing a decisive second
>> in a number of states. So, he and Cruz are gonna be in
>> this to the bitter end.
>>
>
>Cruz and Rubio are there to cause the Republicans to have to pick their
>candidate at the Republican Convention... and if that happens they will
>choose an establishment Republican to run on the Republican ticket and
>the republicans will all stay home.
Which would be party suicide. It'd crack wide open
>> Trump did very well again. Not *perfect*, but "very well".
>>
>> Not surprising Cruz won Texas ... but it wasn't by the
>> landslide he was predicting, only about 10%, which
>> ain't so great for a homeboy.
>>
>> Rubio is looking better now. Placing a decisive second
>> in a number of states. So, he and Cruz are gonna be in
>> this to the bitter end.
>>
>
>Cruz and Rubio are there to cause the Republicans to have to pick their
>candidate at the Republican Convention... and if that happens they will
>choose an establishment Republican to run on the Republican ticket and
>the republicans will all stay home.
down the middle and that'd be that. Trump has just
done far TOO well, become far TOO popular, to be
maneuvered away at the convention. They're STUCK
with him - like wildebeests caged with a lion.
Trumps speech last night was, well, "different". Not so
much the bulldog but a stab at being more 'presidential'.
Or maybe he was just tired ... :-)
Governor Swill
Mar 2, 2016, 4:04:17 PM3/2/16
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On Wed, 02 Mar 2016 12:02:47 -0500, Mr. B1ack wrote:
convention, Trump has to go testify at his civil trial for
racketeering?
"One of the California cases has been set for pre-trial motions in May
and trial for August, right in the middle of the presidential
campaign. Donald Trump has been listed as a witness."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/26/politics/donald-trump-university-fraud-trial-republican-debate/
Background:
"Using a $6 million advertising campaign, Trump University was
marketed to a database of more than one million potential students,
including many senior citizens, as an “ivy league quality” university.
The sales pitch claimed that Donald Trump was so “integrally involved”
that student-victims would have an opportunity similar to his TV show
“The Apprentice,” effectively gaining real estate secrets from Trump
and his handpicked “faculty of professors and adjunct professors.”
However, Trump has already admitted in court that:
• His involvement was “completely absent.”
• He did not participate in events, teaching, content of the program.
• He did “not even know if students received a degree.”"
https://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/articles/consumer-fraud/racketeering-charges-against-trump-20276.html
>On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 22:14:18 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>>On 03/01/2016 09:56 PM, Mr. B1ack wrote:
>>> Trump did very well again. Not *perfect*, but "very well".
>>>
>>> Not surprising Cruz won Texas ... but it wasn't by the
>>> landslide he was predicting, only about 10%, which
>>> ain't so great for a homeboy.
>>>
>>> Rubio is looking better now. Placing a decisive second
>>> in a number of states. So, he and Cruz are gonna be in
>>> this to the bitter end.
>>>
>>
>>Cruz and Rubio are there to cause the Republicans to have to pick their
>>candidate at the Republican Convention... and if that happens they will
>>choose an establishment Republican to run on the Republican ticket and
>>the republicans will all stay home.
>
> Which would be party suicide. It'd crack wide open
> down the middle and that'd be that. Trump has just
> done far TOO well, become far TOO popular, to be
> maneuvered away at the convention. They're STUCK
> with him - like wildebeests caged with a lion.
>
> Trumps speech last night was, well, "different". Not so
> much the bulldog but a stab at being more 'presidential'.
> Or maybe he was just tired ... :-)
Just out of curiosity, what will the GOP do in August when, after the
>>On 03/01/2016 09:56 PM, Mr. B1ack wrote:
>>> Trump did very well again. Not *perfect*, but "very well".
>>>
>>> Not surprising Cruz won Texas ... but it wasn't by the
>>> landslide he was predicting, only about 10%, which
>>> ain't so great for a homeboy.
>>>
>>> Rubio is looking better now. Placing a decisive second
>>> in a number of states. So, he and Cruz are gonna be in
>>> this to the bitter end.
>>>
>>
>>Cruz and Rubio are there to cause the Republicans to have to pick their
>>candidate at the Republican Convention... and if that happens they will
>>choose an establishment Republican to run on the Republican ticket and
>>the republicans will all stay home.
>
> Which would be party suicide. It'd crack wide open
> down the middle and that'd be that. Trump has just
> done far TOO well, become far TOO popular, to be
> maneuvered away at the convention. They're STUCK
> with him - like wildebeests caged with a lion.
>
> Trumps speech last night was, well, "different". Not so
> much the bulldog but a stab at being more 'presidential'.
> Or maybe he was just tired ... :-)
convention, Trump has to go testify at his civil trial for
racketeering?
"One of the California cases has been set for pre-trial motions in May
and trial for August, right in the middle of the presidential
campaign. Donald Trump has been listed as a witness."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/26/politics/donald-trump-university-fraud-trial-republican-debate/
Background:
"Using a $6 million advertising campaign, Trump University was
marketed to a database of more than one million potential students,
including many senior citizens, as an “ivy league quality” university.
The sales pitch claimed that Donald Trump was so “integrally involved”
that student-victims would have an opportunity similar to his TV show
“The Apprentice,” effectively gaining real estate secrets from Trump
and his handpicked “faculty of professors and adjunct professors.”
However, Trump has already admitted in court that:
• His involvement was “completely absent.”
• He did not participate in events, teaching, content of the program.
• He did “not even know if students received a degree.”"
https://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/articles/consumer-fraud/racketeering-charges-against-trump-20276.html
Mr. B1ack
Mar 2, 2016, 5:50:45 PM3/2/16
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that went bust.
Governor Swill
Mar 2, 2016, 9:26:51 PM3/2/16
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On Wed, 02 Mar 2016 17:50:43 -0500, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
I wonder how long it would take him to bust the American economy?
And I really would like your view of the political liability if Trump
were nominated in July and had to go to court to face accusations of
racketeering the next month.
So, now the GOP has Romney, who the voters didn't like, scheduled to
make a big anti Trump speech. They're floating the idea of running
Cruz as Pres with Rubio as a preselected veep and having Kasich and
Carson drop out. The presumption is that all those votes will go to
the Cruz/Rubio ticket. Trouble is, the establishment can only weaken
Cruz's appeal. Carson's voter won't go to Cruz because of Iowa and
Rubio is the establishment guy. That's all they need, another ten
percent of votes to go to Trump.
Most of the states voting so far have been proportional, but most of
the rest are winner take all. Only by Trump running second for the
rest of the primary race can the party stop him.
CNN is also reporting an idea is being floated that if Trump does get
nominated, they might run a third party candidate against him.
Why don't they just close up shop this year and appoint Hillary Queen
of Everything?
But the guy I feel most sorry for is Chris Christie. Yeah, he's a fat
tub. Yeah, he's an asshole. Yeah, he's a quarter inch from being a
crook. But to throw his lot in with Trump? Did he not see this Party
revolt coming? Did he think the rebels would win?
And I really would like your view of the political liability if Trump
were nominated in July and had to go to court to face accusations of
racketeering the next month.
So, now the GOP has Romney, who the voters didn't like, scheduled to
make a big anti Trump speech. They're floating the idea of running
Cruz as Pres with Rubio as a preselected veep and having Kasich and
Carson drop out. The presumption is that all those votes will go to
the Cruz/Rubio ticket. Trouble is, the establishment can only weaken
Cruz's appeal. Carson's voter won't go to Cruz because of Iowa and
Rubio is the establishment guy. That's all they need, another ten
percent of votes to go to Trump.
Most of the states voting so far have been proportional, but most of
the rest are winner take all. Only by Trump running second for the
rest of the primary race can the party stop him.
CNN is also reporting an idea is being floated that if Trump does get
nominated, they might run a third party candidate against him.
Why don't they just close up shop this year and appoint Hillary Queen
of Everything?
But the guy I feel most sorry for is Chris Christie. Yeah, he's a fat
tub. Yeah, he's an asshole. Yeah, he's a quarter inch from being a
crook. But to throw his lot in with Trump? Did he not see this Party
revolt coming? Did he think the rebels would win?
Mr. B1ack
Mar 3, 2016, 8:39:12 AM3/3/16
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On Wed, 02 Mar 2016 21:27:01 -0500, Governor Swill
I think the rebels are gonna win this time.
If Cruz/Rubio suddenly look like establishment
butt-kissers they'll instantly lose half their support,
and Trump will make SURE to really grind it in.
Trump and his people can also set up for a
"vengance" 3rd-party spoiler candidate - by
pre-floating the idea and ragging on how fake
and against-the-will-of-the-people such a
move would be. In short, prejudice everybody
against such a plan before it's even hatched
and you can turn it to your advantage.
Trump has been SO much attacked by SO many
pundits over SO much ridiculous crap from the very
beginning that he's largely immune to further insult
and disparagment. The more anti-Trump the parties
or pundits become the more unfair and fake they
seem to the voting public - and Trump gains rather
than loses.
Basically, it's an "If *THEY* are SO upset about Trump
it means he's exactly what I oughtta vote for" kind of
psychology. Kinda like kids playing the music they KNOW
the grumps hate and fear the most :-)
We've had a few counter-establishment candidates
in the past ... John Anderson, Ross Perot ... 3rd-
party guys and each got more traction than their
predecessors. Trump is the latest generation, and
NOT really "3rd party". He's finally reaping maximum
effect from the counter-establishment mad-as-hell
segment. He acts like a winner and has the ratings
to prove it. Yep, the rebels could finally nuke the
death-star this time.
If Cruz/Rubio suddenly look like establishment
butt-kissers they'll instantly lose half their support,
and Trump will make SURE to really grind it in.
Trump and his people can also set up for a
"vengance" 3rd-party spoiler candidate - by
pre-floating the idea and ragging on how fake
and against-the-will-of-the-people such a
move would be. In short, prejudice everybody
against such a plan before it's even hatched
and you can turn it to your advantage.
Trump has been SO much attacked by SO many
pundits over SO much ridiculous crap from the very
beginning that he's largely immune to further insult
and disparagment. The more anti-Trump the parties
or pundits become the more unfair and fake they
seem to the voting public - and Trump gains rather
than loses.
Basically, it's an "If *THEY* are SO upset about Trump
it means he's exactly what I oughtta vote for" kind of
psychology. Kinda like kids playing the music they KNOW
the grumps hate and fear the most :-)
We've had a few counter-establishment candidates
in the past ... John Anderson, Ross Perot ... 3rd-
party guys and each got more traction than their
predecessors. Trump is the latest generation, and
NOT really "3rd party". He's finally reaping maximum
effect from the counter-establishment mad-as-hell
segment. He acts like a winner and has the ratings
to prove it. Yep, the rebels could finally nuke the
death-star this time.
Governor Swill
Mar 3, 2016, 12:18:55 PM3/3/16
to
On Thu, 03 Mar 2016 08:39:10 -0500, Mr. B1ack wrote:
even Sanders could win.
> Trump and his people can also set up for a
> "vengance" 3rd-party spoiler candidate - by
> pre-floating the idea and ragging on how fake
> and against-the-will-of-the-people such a
> move would be. In short, prejudice everybody
> against such a plan before it's even hatched
> and you can turn it to your advantage.
I suspect it's a rare case of pols coming to their senses. Trump is,
in every way, a danger to the country. If he goes in pushing for
deportation and the wall, he'll meet resistance in Congress. If he
tries to push his single payer plans, he'll meet resistance in
Congress. The BEST we can hope for is total gridlock and a repeat of
Obama's first four years.
I don't trust him on foreign policy and I don't believe a thing he's
said. He's closing a deal with his voters, not telling them the
truth.
> Trump has been SO much attacked by SO many
> pundits over SO much ridiculous crap from the very
> beginning that he's largely immune to further insult
> and disparagment. The more anti-Trump the parties
> or pundits become the more unfair and fake they
> seem to the voting public - and Trump gains rather
> than loses.
It's barely begun. There is plenty of ammo on this guy just lying
around waiting to be used. The Reps know he can still end up running
for Pres either as their nominee or on a third party ticket. Such is
Trump's ego, he'll be unable to imagine not winning. In the general
campaign, the gloves will come off - on all sides - and it'll get
really ugly. Not necessarily a bad thing, but sometimes
unpredictability is bad in itself.
What if a Trump run results in down ballot gains by Dems? The GOP
would likely lose the White House, the Senate and seats in the House.
A Trump 3rd party ticket would most certainly cost them the White
House but could save the Congress for them by heading off down ballot
losses. Having two Republican tickets would do the same.
> Basically, it's an "If *THEY* are SO upset about Trump
> it means he's exactly what I oughtta vote for" kind of
> psychology. Kinda like kids playing the music they KNOW
> the grumps hate and fear the most :-)
I disagree. Trump is a rich guy, a salesman and entertainer. He's
not a Statesman by any means. His fans seem to have a limited view of
the world. They've bought into his magic wand, just as his mistresses
have and if he did manage to win, they'd end up just as fucked. ;)
> We've had a few counter-establishment candidates
> in the past ... John Anderson, Ross Perot ... 3rd-
> party guys and each got more traction than their
> predecessors. Trump is the latest generation, and
> NOT really "3rd party". He's finally reaping maximum
> effect from the counter-establishment mad-as-hell
> segment. He acts like a winner and has the ratings
> to prove it. Yep, the rebels could finally nuke the
> death-star this time.
And those runs ended up removing the Party in power and handing the
reins over to the other major party. Anderson split the Dems and gave
the election to the Reps in 1980 without carrying a state.
Perot split the Reps twice and gave Clinton eight years in the White
House - and didn't carry a state.
Wallace in 1968 carried the deep south and moved the White House from
Dem hands to Republican ones. He also helped end the Dems decade of
filibuster proof Senates.
In 1960, Byrd carried two southern states that would have gone to
Nixon. But by taking them out of the Rep column, allowed Kennedy to
eke out a squeaker.
Strom Thurmond carried four states in 1948, but so strong was the tide
of Dem voting in the country (the Reps lost both Houses that year)
that Truman carried the nation anyway.
Any third party ticket WILL give the election to Hillary. Trump
running without GOP support will give the election to Hillary. Already
some Reps are signaling that they'll endorse Clinton if Trump is the
nominee.
In short, the only thing the Trump "rebellion" is going to accomplish
is ensure we'll be watching President Clinton being sworn in, Jan 20,
2017 two and a half weeks after the new Dem Senate is sworn in on the
3rd.
So much for getting rid of the establishment in Washington.
>On Wed, 02 Mar 2016 21:27:01 -0500, Governor Swill wrote:
>>But the guy I feel most sorry for is Chris Christie. Yeah, he's a fat
>>tub. Yeah, he's an asshole. Yeah, he's a quarter inch from being a
>>crook. But to throw his lot in with Trump? Did he not see this Party
>>revolt coming? Did he think the rebels would win?
> I think the rebels are gonna win this time.
>
> If Cruz/Rubio suddenly look like establishment
> butt-kissers they'll instantly lose half their support,
> and Trump will make SURE to really grind it in.
Which will guarantee the Dems the election. If the GOP ticket splits,
>>But the guy I feel most sorry for is Chris Christie. Yeah, he's a fat
>>tub. Yeah, he's an asshole. Yeah, he's a quarter inch from being a
>>crook. But to throw his lot in with Trump? Did he not see this Party
>>revolt coming? Did he think the rebels would win?
> I think the rebels are gonna win this time.
>
> If Cruz/Rubio suddenly look like establishment
> butt-kissers they'll instantly lose half their support,
> and Trump will make SURE to really grind it in.
even Sanders could win.
> Trump and his people can also set up for a
> "vengance" 3rd-party spoiler candidate - by
> pre-floating the idea and ragging on how fake
> and against-the-will-of-the-people such a
> move would be. In short, prejudice everybody
> against such a plan before it's even hatched
> and you can turn it to your advantage.
in every way, a danger to the country. If he goes in pushing for
deportation and the wall, he'll meet resistance in Congress. If he
tries to push his single payer plans, he'll meet resistance in
Congress. The BEST we can hope for is total gridlock and a repeat of
Obama's first four years.
I don't trust him on foreign policy and I don't believe a thing he's
said. He's closing a deal with his voters, not telling them the
truth.
> Trump has been SO much attacked by SO many
> pundits over SO much ridiculous crap from the very
> beginning that he's largely immune to further insult
> and disparagment. The more anti-Trump the parties
> or pundits become the more unfair and fake they
> seem to the voting public - and Trump gains rather
> than loses.
around waiting to be used. The Reps know he can still end up running
for Pres either as their nominee or on a third party ticket. Such is
Trump's ego, he'll be unable to imagine not winning. In the general
campaign, the gloves will come off - on all sides - and it'll get
really ugly. Not necessarily a bad thing, but sometimes
unpredictability is bad in itself.
What if a Trump run results in down ballot gains by Dems? The GOP
would likely lose the White House, the Senate and seats in the House.
A Trump 3rd party ticket would most certainly cost them the White
House but could save the Congress for them by heading off down ballot
losses. Having two Republican tickets would do the same.
> Basically, it's an "If *THEY* are SO upset about Trump
> it means he's exactly what I oughtta vote for" kind of
> psychology. Kinda like kids playing the music they KNOW
> the grumps hate and fear the most :-)
not a Statesman by any means. His fans seem to have a limited view of
the world. They've bought into his magic wand, just as his mistresses
have and if he did manage to win, they'd end up just as fucked. ;)
> We've had a few counter-establishment candidates
> in the past ... John Anderson, Ross Perot ... 3rd-
> party guys and each got more traction than their
> predecessors. Trump is the latest generation, and
> NOT really "3rd party". He's finally reaping maximum
> effect from the counter-establishment mad-as-hell
> segment. He acts like a winner and has the ratings
> to prove it. Yep, the rebels could finally nuke the
> death-star this time.
reins over to the other major party. Anderson split the Dems and gave
the election to the Reps in 1980 without carrying a state.
Perot split the Reps twice and gave Clinton eight years in the White
House - and didn't carry a state.
Wallace in 1968 carried the deep south and moved the White House from
Dem hands to Republican ones. He also helped end the Dems decade of
filibuster proof Senates.
In 1960, Byrd carried two southern states that would have gone to
Nixon. But by taking them out of the Rep column, allowed Kennedy to
eke out a squeaker.
Strom Thurmond carried four states in 1948, but so strong was the tide
of Dem voting in the country (the Reps lost both Houses that year)
that Truman carried the nation anyway.
Any third party ticket WILL give the election to Hillary. Trump
running without GOP support will give the election to Hillary. Already
some Reps are signaling that they'll endorse Clinton if Trump is the
nominee.
In short, the only thing the Trump "rebellion" is going to accomplish
is ensure we'll be watching President Clinton being sworn in, Jan 20,
2017 two and a half weeks after the new Dem Senate is sworn in on the
3rd.
So much for getting rid of the establishment in Washington.
Mr. B1ack
Mar 4, 2016, 9:43:33 PM3/4/16
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2016 12:19:05 -0500, Governor Swill
<governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I suspect it's a rare case of pols coming to their senses. Trump is,
>in every way, a danger to the country. If he goes in pushing for
>deportation and the wall, he'll meet resistance in Congress. If he
>tries to push his single payer plans, he'll meet resistance in
>Congress. The BEST we can hope for is total gridlock and a repeat of
>Obama's first four years.
That you can even imagine that being any sort of good thing
<governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I suspect it's a rare case of pols coming to their senses. Trump is,
>in every way, a danger to the country. If he goes in pushing for
>deportation and the wall, he'll meet resistance in Congress. If he
>tries to push his single payer plans, he'll meet resistance in
>Congress. The BEST we can hope for is total gridlock and a repeat of
>Obama's first four years.
makes me doubt your "moderate" credentials :-)
And come ON now ... "Trump is,in every way, a danger to
the country" - sounds like you've been drinking the cushy
establishments Kool-Aid. Trump is a danger to the long
ESTABLISHED ORDER in the GOP, the worthless and
corrupt fat-cats that keep selling us to the pinkos one bit
at a time.
Trump is what this country needs and especially what
the rusty old GOP needs at this moment in time. Twenty
years ago, no. Twenty years from now, no. But RIGHT
NOW, definitely yes. The GOP needs to quit being just
olde tyme "conservative" and transform into bona-fide
stand-yer-ground rightists who can do battle with the
emerging Bernie-ites ... that horde of "entitled" little
millenial shits.
Alas there's a huge amount of inertia there, and it's gonna
take some guy with a sledgehammer to knock the party
free from the ground and into motion. That's Trump.
Cruz can't do it - he's not independent enough and he
just doesn't have the force of personality needed.
I do not *like* Trump ... and I've compared some aspects
of his personality and behavior to Mussolini and I'll stand
by that. But there's more involved right now than mere
"like", there's a broader purpose and I think - based on
the increasing relevance of the Bernie-ites and pols and
other authorities who suck-up to them - that THIS is our
crossroads moment. Either the trend towards leftytalitarianism
stops here and now or it'll never be stopped before it
sucks all the life, all the America, out of America. You
won't like what that looks like ... but it'll be too late to
do anything about it.
So we need an instrument, a power-tool. Trump's it.
I'll happily tolerate his bluster if he'll do some damage
where it needs to be done.
Governor Swill
Mar 5, 2016, 12:44:23 AM3/5/16
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On Fri, 04 Mar 2016 21:43:33 -0500, Mr. B1ack wrote:
he's not, so you don't.
> And come ON now ... "Trump is,in every way, a danger to
> the country" - sounds like you've been drinking the cushy
> establishments Kool-Aid. Trump is a danger to the long
> ESTABLISHED ORDER in the GOP, the worthless and
> corrupt fat-cats that keep selling us to the pinkos one bit
> at a time.
All I need to do is watch his rally speeches and debate performances
to see he's a loon appealing to base emotion with no clue as to what
he actually needs to do to "fix" the problems he claims he can fix.
He's a thin skinned bully who can dish it out but can't take it. If
he's not the center of attention and adoration, he's out of his
comfort zone. How much attention and adoration do you think he's
going to get at his first European summit?
If you'd seen him last night scowling, gripping the podium, squeaking
like a trapped rat when he tried to interrupt Cruz and was slapped
down like a wayward five year old, you'd know what I mean.
It would almost be worth it to watch him get into office and destroy
the country just so you Trumpsters could all change your nyms and
pretend you never voted for him.
> Trump is what this country needs and especially what
> the rusty old GOP needs at this moment in time.
The country doesn't need him because he doesn't know how to govern.
The GOP doesn't need him because he's not a conservative.
Shaking up things is good as long as he doesn't actually get elected.
Perot sure rattled nerves on Capitol Hill and the result was one of
America's best decades. Now that the GOP has gone back to power games
instead of governing, yeah, they need another slapdown and yeah, Trump
is the guy to do it. But don't keep pretending he's serious
Presidential material any more than Ross Perot, George Wallace or
Strom Thurmond ever were.
>Twenty
> years ago, no. Twenty years from now, no. But RIGHT
> NOW, definitely yes. The GOP needs to quit being just
> olde tyme "conservative" and transform into bona-fide
> stand-yer-ground rightists who can do battle with the
> emerging Bernie-ites ... that horde of "entitled" little
> millenial shits.
They never will. They'll cleave off their right wing and move center
before they'll accept bigots and racists back into the party. They
have enough trouble dealing with their image as "the white guy party"
and now their leading candidate has got himself endorsed by the white
supremacy movement. It's not as if his voters actually donate to
campaigns. I'd like to see the Tea Party survive without corporate
donations. They'd starve to death if the were funded the way Sanders
is.
Even his campaign funding is a scam. He's only given his campaign a
couple hundred thousand. He's *loaned* it 17M so whatever is left in
his war chest when the last vote is counted, he can put in his pocket.
Deft way to get around campaign finance law, eh?
And all of his dealings are scented with such scams. You don't get
dragged into court to face multiple class action suits and the wrath
of two attorneys general unless you did something you shouldn't have.
Where there's smoke there's fire.
> Alas there's a huge amount of inertia there, and it's gonna
> take some guy with a sledgehammer to knock the party
> free from the ground and into motion. That's Trump.
> Cruz can't do it - he's not independent enough and he
> just doesn't have the force of personality needed.
Trump isn't going to do much one way or the other. The best he can do
is scare the poo out of the GOP and force them away from their
frightening right wing. The Congress won't work with him, the
bureaucracy will ignore him, the military won't obey him, he has a
habit of hiring mediocre staff, and personally, he's a pig.
> I do not *like* Trump ... and I've compared some aspects
> of his personality and behavior to Mussolini and I'll stand
> by that. But there's more involved right now than mere
> "like", there's a broader purpose and I think - based on
> the increasing relevance of the Bernie-ites and pols and
> other authorities who suck-up to them - that THIS is our
> crossroads moment.
You can forget about Bernie. He's the Dems' Trump but there's no
danger of him getting the nom. Personally, I think his original
purpose was to avoid the appearance of coronation and he's done that
well. Too well. Well enough to wake up the Dems and realize they
have a danger on their left like the GOP has a danger on their right.
They just got a little more warning.
>Either the trend towards leftytalitarianism
> stops here and now
You are so full of shit. Seriously? "leftytalitarianism" What? Is
Mary Poppins running for something?
>or it'll never be stopped before it
> sucks all the life, all the America, out of America. You
> won't like what that looks like ... but it'll be too late to
> do anything about it.
As long as it doesn't shift any farther right, America will be fine.
Trump is the biggest push to the left this country has seen in a long
time. The bigotry, race baiting and violent tendencies of his
brownshir - uh, followers, not to mention being the favored candidate
of white supremacists everywhere, is hanging undesired qualities on
the GOP brand. Trust me, Trump is pushing the party as a whole to the
left and cutting off the hard right. Nobody's going to support a
party with bigotry in it's platform except bigots.
"He's either a racist or he's pretending to be one and at some point,
there isn't any difference." - John Oliver
Here's how duplicitous he is. In 1999 when he was considering a run
with the Reform Party, he abruptly left them. When asked why, he
complained that David Duke had joined it and described Duke as, "a
racist and a bigot" and said he didn't want to be associated with a
party like that.
In 2016, he acts like he doesn't know who David Duke is.
??
> So we need an instrument, a power-tool. Trump's it.
> I'll happily tolerate his bluster if he'll do some damage
> where it needs to be done.
If your goal is to elect Clinton and push the GOP farther left, yeah,
he's your man.
The needledick is so sensitive about his hands (he lied about the
hands joke, btw) that after the debate, in the spin room, he was
holding up other guy's hands and pressing his up against them.
Apparently he was looking for somebody with smaller hands than his. I
wonder if he found one?
Trump: "Nobody has said anything like that about my hands before."
Not for 25 years anyway. Oh, wait, John Oliver ran it last weekend.
But nobody has ever said anything about his hands before.
The Short Fingered Vulgarian vs Fortress Hillary.
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/10/graydon-carter-donald-trump#1
"Like so many bullies, Drumpf has skin of gossamer. He thinks nothing
of saying the most hurtful thing about someone else, but when he hears
a whisper that runs counter to his own vainglorious self-image, he
coils like a caged ferret. Just to drive him a little bit crazy, I
took to referring to him as a “short-fingered vulgarian” in the pages
of Spy magazine. That was more than a quarter of a century ago. To
this day, I receive the occasional envelope from Drumpf. There is
always a photo of him—generally a tear sheet from a magazine. On all
of them he has circled his hand in gold Sharpie in a valiant effort to
highlight the length of his fingers."
"The most recent offering arrived earlier this year, before his
decision to go after the Republican presidential nomination. Like the
other packages, this one included a circled hand and the words, also
written in gold Sharpie: “See, not so short!” I sent the picture back
by return mail with a note attached, saying, “Actually, quite short.”
Which I can only assume gave him fits."
Swill
--
So if you are thinking of voting for Donald Trump,
the charismatic guy promising to ‘Make America Great
Again,’ stop and take a moment to imagine how you
would feel if you just met a guy named Donald Drumpf:
a litigious, serial liar with a string of broken business
ventures and the support of a former Klan leader who
he can’t decide whether or not to condemn.
>On Thu, 03 Mar 2016 12:19:05 -0500, Governor Swill wrote:
>>I suspect it's a rare case of pols coming to their senses. Trump is,
>>in every way, a danger to the country. If he goes in pushing for
>>deportation and the wall, he'll meet resistance in Congress. If he
>>tries to push his single payer plans, he'll meet resistance in
>>Congress. The BEST we can hope for is total gridlock and a repeat of
>>Obama's first four years.
>
> That you can even imagine that being any sort of good thing
> makes me doubt your "moderate" credentials :-)
*snort* Maybe it Drumpf was a conservative, you'd have a point. But
>>I suspect it's a rare case of pols coming to their senses. Trump is,
>>in every way, a danger to the country. If he goes in pushing for
>>deportation and the wall, he'll meet resistance in Congress. If he
>>tries to push his single payer plans, he'll meet resistance in
>>Congress. The BEST we can hope for is total gridlock and a repeat of
>>Obama's first four years.
>
> That you can even imagine that being any sort of good thing
> makes me doubt your "moderate" credentials :-)
he's not, so you don't.
> And come ON now ... "Trump is,in every way, a danger to
> the country" - sounds like you've been drinking the cushy
> establishments Kool-Aid. Trump is a danger to the long
> ESTABLISHED ORDER in the GOP, the worthless and
> corrupt fat-cats that keep selling us to the pinkos one bit
> at a time.
to see he's a loon appealing to base emotion with no clue as to what
he actually needs to do to "fix" the problems he claims he can fix.
He's a thin skinned bully who can dish it out but can't take it. If
he's not the center of attention and adoration, he's out of his
comfort zone. How much attention and adoration do you think he's
going to get at his first European summit?
If you'd seen him last night scowling, gripping the podium, squeaking
like a trapped rat when he tried to interrupt Cruz and was slapped
down like a wayward five year old, you'd know what I mean.
It would almost be worth it to watch him get into office and destroy
the country just so you Trumpsters could all change your nyms and
pretend you never voted for him.
> Trump is what this country needs and especially what
> the rusty old GOP needs at this moment in time.
The GOP doesn't need him because he's not a conservative.
Shaking up things is good as long as he doesn't actually get elected.
Perot sure rattled nerves on Capitol Hill and the result was one of
America's best decades. Now that the GOP has gone back to power games
instead of governing, yeah, they need another slapdown and yeah, Trump
is the guy to do it. But don't keep pretending he's serious
Presidential material any more than Ross Perot, George Wallace or
Strom Thurmond ever were.
>Twenty
> years ago, no. Twenty years from now, no. But RIGHT
> NOW, definitely yes. The GOP needs to quit being just
> olde tyme "conservative" and transform into bona-fide
> stand-yer-ground rightists who can do battle with the
> emerging Bernie-ites ... that horde of "entitled" little
> millenial shits.
before they'll accept bigots and racists back into the party. They
have enough trouble dealing with their image as "the white guy party"
and now their leading candidate has got himself endorsed by the white
supremacy movement. It's not as if his voters actually donate to
campaigns. I'd like to see the Tea Party survive without corporate
donations. They'd starve to death if the were funded the way Sanders
is.
Even his campaign funding is a scam. He's only given his campaign a
couple hundred thousand. He's *loaned* it 17M so whatever is left in
his war chest when the last vote is counted, he can put in his pocket.
Deft way to get around campaign finance law, eh?
And all of his dealings are scented with such scams. You don't get
dragged into court to face multiple class action suits and the wrath
of two attorneys general unless you did something you shouldn't have.
Where there's smoke there's fire.
> Alas there's a huge amount of inertia there, and it's gonna
> take some guy with a sledgehammer to knock the party
> free from the ground and into motion. That's Trump.
> Cruz can't do it - he's not independent enough and he
> just doesn't have the force of personality needed.
is scare the poo out of the GOP and force them away from their
frightening right wing. The Congress won't work with him, the
bureaucracy will ignore him, the military won't obey him, he has a
habit of hiring mediocre staff, and personally, he's a pig.
> I do not *like* Trump ... and I've compared some aspects
> of his personality and behavior to Mussolini and I'll stand
> by that. But there's more involved right now than mere
> "like", there's a broader purpose and I think - based on
> the increasing relevance of the Bernie-ites and pols and
> other authorities who suck-up to them - that THIS is our
> crossroads moment.
danger of him getting the nom. Personally, I think his original
purpose was to avoid the appearance of coronation and he's done that
well. Too well. Well enough to wake up the Dems and realize they
have a danger on their left like the GOP has a danger on their right.
They just got a little more warning.
>Either the trend towards leftytalitarianism
> stops here and now
Mary Poppins running for something?
>or it'll never be stopped before it
> sucks all the life, all the America, out of America. You
> won't like what that looks like ... but it'll be too late to
> do anything about it.
Trump is the biggest push to the left this country has seen in a long
time. The bigotry, race baiting and violent tendencies of his
brownshir - uh, followers, not to mention being the favored candidate
of white supremacists everywhere, is hanging undesired qualities on
the GOP brand. Trust me, Trump is pushing the party as a whole to the
left and cutting off the hard right. Nobody's going to support a
party with bigotry in it's platform except bigots.
"He's either a racist or he's pretending to be one and at some point,
there isn't any difference." - John Oliver
Here's how duplicitous he is. In 1999 when he was considering a run
with the Reform Party, he abruptly left them. When asked why, he
complained that David Duke had joined it and described Duke as, "a
racist and a bigot" and said he didn't want to be associated with a
party like that.
In 2016, he acts like he doesn't know who David Duke is.
??
> So we need an instrument, a power-tool. Trump's it.
> I'll happily tolerate his bluster if he'll do some damage
> where it needs to be done.
he's your man.
The needledick is so sensitive about his hands (he lied about the
hands joke, btw) that after the debate, in the spin room, he was
holding up other guy's hands and pressing his up against them.
Apparently he was looking for somebody with smaller hands than his. I
wonder if he found one?
Trump: "Nobody has said anything like that about my hands before."
Not for 25 years anyway. Oh, wait, John Oliver ran it last weekend.
But nobody has ever said anything about his hands before.
The Short Fingered Vulgarian vs Fortress Hillary.
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/10/graydon-carter-donald-trump#1
"Like so many bullies, Drumpf has skin of gossamer. He thinks nothing
of saying the most hurtful thing about someone else, but when he hears
a whisper that runs counter to his own vainglorious self-image, he
coils like a caged ferret. Just to drive him a little bit crazy, I
took to referring to him as a “short-fingered vulgarian” in the pages
of Spy magazine. That was more than a quarter of a century ago. To
this day, I receive the occasional envelope from Drumpf. There is
always a photo of him—generally a tear sheet from a magazine. On all
of them he has circled his hand in gold Sharpie in a valiant effort to
highlight the length of his fingers."
"The most recent offering arrived earlier this year, before his
decision to go after the Republican presidential nomination. Like the
other packages, this one included a circled hand and the words, also
written in gold Sharpie: “See, not so short!” I sent the picture back
by return mail with a note attached, saying, “Actually, quite short.”
Which I can only assume gave him fits."
Swill
--
So if you are thinking of voting for Donald Trump,
the charismatic guy promising to ‘Make America Great
Again,’ stop and take a moment to imagine how you
would feel if you just met a guy named Donald Drumpf:
a litigious, serial liar with a string of broken business
ventures and the support of a former Klan leader who
Would you think he would make a good president,
or is the spell now somewhat broken? - John Oliver
First Post
Mar 5, 2016, 1:01:02 AM3/5/16
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On Fri, 04 Mar 2016 21:43:33 -0500, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
wrote:
What great evil is it that they believe Trump will do?
Make the rest of the world hate us?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
wrote:
Make the rest of the world hate us?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Governor Swill
Mar 5, 2016, 7:27:02 PM3/5/16
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On Sat, 05 Mar 2016 00:00:53 -0600, First Post wrote:
He's also holding a substantial lead in Maine. They keep swapping
first place in Kentucky but less than 5% of the vote is in there.
>What great evil is it that they believe Trump will do?
>Make the rest of the world hate us?
Nope. Make the rest of the world laugh at us.
>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah, like that.
Swill
--
So if you are thinking of voting for Donald Trump,
the charismatic guy promising to ‘Make America Great
Again,’ stop and take a moment to imagine how you
would feel if you just met a guy named Donald Drumpf:
a litigious, serial liar with a string of broken business
ventures and the support of a former Klan leader who
he can’t decide whether or not to condemn.
>On Fri, 04 Mar 2016 21:43:33 -0500, Mr. B1ack wrote:
>> So we need an instrument, a power-tool. Trump's it.
>> I'll happily tolerate his bluster if he'll do some damage
>> where it needs to be done.
You may be getting your wish. Cruz has won Kansas 2-1 over Trump.
>> So we need an instrument, a power-tool. Trump's it.
>> I'll happily tolerate his bluster if he'll do some damage
>> where it needs to be done.
He's also holding a substantial lead in Maine. They keep swapping
first place in Kentucky but less than 5% of the vote is in there.
>What great evil is it that they believe Trump will do?
>Make the rest of the world hate us?
>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah, like that.
Swill
--
So if you are thinking of voting for Donald Trump,
the charismatic guy promising to ‘Make America Great
Again,’ stop and take a moment to imagine how you
would feel if you just met a guy named Donald Drumpf:
a litigious, serial liar with a string of broken business
ventures and the support of a former Klan leader who
Would you think he would make a good president,
or is the spell now somewhat broken? - John Oliver
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