How to Be Happy All the Time
Kristy
regardless of the outer circumstances? The new book called "How to Be
Happy All the Time" has become a constant companion to me, and directly
addresses this issue.
The book explains how no true lasting happiness can depend on outer
circumstances and gives practical tips on how to hold that happiness
within regardless of what life brings. As we gather more experiences of
remaining calm at the center of life's storms, we take a step closer to
everlasting happiness. It can help us redefine our own definition of
true happiness, it's different for each person.
I highly recommend this new book to anyone, regardless of their
philosophy of life.
Kristy Dewey
If you would like to know more about this new book go to:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1565892151/sr=8-1/qid=1152729335/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-8046722-4442516?ie=UTF8
Sir Frederick
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> Coffee works for me.
You must have at least one cup per month in that case ;-)
BOfL
Eliminativist Man
Two double americano style espressos per day. {:-))
Eliminativist Man
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You should be competing in the Tout De France ;-)
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L Justice
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I wonder if you wrote the book and even if you did or did not....
There is relative happiness and absolute happiness.
Surely, it is of immense importance to be able to maintain self-control,
even-temperedness, patience, and all other virtuous qualities, despite the
quagmire, or tragic circumstances we may be involved in. It is also possible
and imperative.
But I do not believe that it is possible to be 100% happy in a world fraught
with injustice, inequality, and somewhat needless suffering. To be 100%
happy, would necessarily preclude the human species as being in a state of
equality, justice, and thus the rapture of suffering, by way of learning,
which would in effect demand an alignment with nature's dictates in its
totality.
It is possible, feasible and achievable to relatively happy in a world such
as today.
By the summary of the book that you wrote, I suppose my view and the authors
sounds to be in conflict.
.........
LAuna
Dare
"Kristy" <krist...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The book explains how no true lasting happiness can depend on outer
> circumstances and gives practical tips on how to hold that happiness
> within regardless of what life brings. As we gather more experiences of
> remaining calm at the center of life's storms, we take a step closer to
> everlasting happiness. It can help us redefine our own definition of
> true happiness, it's different for each person.
Is "happiness" a survival/coping mechanism?
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
Kristy wrote:
> The book explains how no true lasting happiness can depend on outer
> circumstances....
Fuck, what utter nonsense, reality *outer circumstances* IS exactly
what ANY happiness depends on, happiness can have NO MEANING without
REAL values being successfully fulfilled, *real values* meaning values
having their standard based on REALITY. Unhappiness is when REAL values
have been violated.
What religious / communist stuffen nonsense to think otherwise.
> and gives practical tips on how to hold that happiness
> within regardless of what life brings.
And how sadistically sick is that? Being sad is a perfectly normal
understandable rational human experience, which, happens when one's
values have been violated.
To stop sadness requires changing perfectly rational and moral values.
WHY? because happiness is an emotion, an emotion is a response to a
value judgement, the value is the standard which determines the
response, therefore ONLY the value can change to change the response.
> As we gather more experiences of
> remaining calm at the center of life's storms, we take a step closer to
> everlasting happiness.
Oh FFS this is getting worse.
> It can help us redefine our own definition of
> true happiness,
Like fuck, happiness is NOT something YOU can *teach* anyone, as much
as mystics like you would like to think you can, you CANT.
> it's different for each person.
Yeah you're different alright.
Michael Gordge
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Kristy wrote:
> How many of us can claim that we can find happiness at any time,
> regardless of the outer circumstances?
Nor would I want to. I do not want to be smiling idiotically if a
loved one dies. It is natural, human, humane, and ethically just
peachy to react with anger, sadness and happiness to appropriate outer
events. I don't want prozac nor some mental technology that functions
similarly. If someone pushes my kid to the ground its just fine to get
pissed off and even, oh I am so radical, raise my voice and tell of the
adult that did it.
This old and stupid distaste for the full range of human emotions has
really run its game. May the shiny happy people live their shiny happy
SHALLOW lives, but leave off suggesting to people who are human that
you are onto something applicable to everyone.
Robert Cohen
10. There is a pertinent specialized self-lobotomy course offered at
the certified Mail Order University Medical College
9. Use those fine Sunday newspaper coupons no matter if the generic
knock-off shite is still cheaper--you won't feel as poor and thus
almost happier than mices in airplanes.
8. Collect pennies, melt 'em down, and ...aw....I won't share my most
valuable happiness secret, but watch for the 1909 VDBs and 1943 zincs,
which ya just don't see around these days like in the 1940s & 50s, the
good ole days.
7. Ask an electrician for spare slugs for primitive vending machines
and those annoying toll road things.
6. Steal Abbey Hoffman's terrific yippie book from a bankrupt bookstore
or from any poor community's free library.
5. Do not vote because our forefathers practiced slavery and threw
stuff at deviant people in stocks.
4. Break long lines at ripoff movie theatres, and be prepared to fight
& cuss the usual objecting bastardes.
3. Be sure to regularly spray for insects and inhale some while so
doing: In 50 years you get Parkinsons or cancer.
2. Either park your car in a yard at Harvard, or verbally trash that
monstrosity they're building up there that collapsed yesterday.
1. Give everything you've got to a needy cult.
RyanT
point in time. It's immensely difficult, and impossible in most cases,
to make any sort of macronomic change from an individual perspective.
But we do have the power to choose how we react to the events in our
lives, which gives us the power to be happy.
The unhappiest of people are those who lose sight of their immediate
surroundings, swayed by the desire to instill large scale changes in
the world. They might come to identify themselves with high-profile
public figures, only to realize that such changes from the top-down
rarely trickles down into their own life. They might even sacrifice
their relations with friends, family, and coworkers in the name of the
"greater good", only to realize that they have nothing left.
It's much more rewarding to think of life as a chain reaction, where
your influence starts from the immediate and branches on outward into
the future. If the influences are mostly positive, you will likely be
remembered. The selfish are forgotten the moment they cease to exist.
RyanT
help him get out of that situation. Boo hoo. Let's all feel sorry for
ourselves and not do anything about it.
Brian Fletcher
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There are shiny happy people who do simulate drug induced states. There are
also very fulfilled and happy people who not only know 'themselves', but
also know their emotional traits.
The more aware, the less the emotions rule. I agree, some try to 'kill them
off" (and usually creater the madussa effect). There are more than just
physically induced disabilities out there.
BOfL
chazwin
it.
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
RyanT wrote:
> In other words, Mike is unhappy,
Just because ewe've been programmed to regurgitiate that people who
choose not to be socialist masochists are unhappy, doesn't make you
right Ryan.
Why do you always change the subject to talk about me Ryan? Why am I
the centre of your universe? Do I make you happy?
Michael Gordge
RyanT
unhappy sacks who put principal over their own good. They see
themselves as tragic heros, oblivious to the fact that nobody really
cares.
I'm just here to point out the fact that your situation is not unique.
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
RyanT wrote:
>
> I'm just here to point out the fact that your situation is not unique.
And thats worth saying because? The subject is NOT about me Ryan. The
subject is How to be Happy. It is a question asking for a standard.
The following are just some of the objectively discovered standards
which I use in my everyday life and which bring me all the happiness I
need and yet which you claim make me unhappy, but of course you cant
and wont say why and how you've reached that conclusion.
Your values embodied in the characture of another person = a standard
of love and affection
The pursuit of happiness = a standard of human life
The successful fulfillment of one's primary values = a standard of
happiness
A violation of one's primary values = a standard of unhappiness and or
sadness
Existence = the standard of reality
Recognition of reality = the standard of truth
Non-contradictory identification = the standard of logic
Non-contradictory idenitication and integration of the material and
information of man's senses / perceptions = the standard of ALL
knowledge
Millimeter = a standard of measurement
Gram = a standard of weight
A re-creation of reality = the standard of art
Human life = the standard of all moral values
Non initiation of force = a primary standard of my politics
Private property rights = a primary standard of a moral society
Free trade = a primary standard of capitalism
Your turn now Ryan.
Want to have a crack at sticking to the subject?
Keep it brief now, and lets see the standards you claim you have
invented which are obviously the opposite of the above which lead you
to your happiness.
Perhaps you might like to have a crack at explaining HOW you claiming
that, reality and non-contradion (logic) as the standard of all real
theories, while at the same time rejecting that same principle for
determing real standards.
Michael Gordge
Topaz
Capitalism and Communism are both bad. The problem with
capitalism is that it puts no special value on people. Capitalism is
based on supply and demand. A capitalist company that made potato
chips for example would need--X number of potatoes, Y amount of salt,
and Z number of human beings for labor. The human beings have no more
value than the potatoes or the salt. And they consider it good to pay
they humans as little as they possibly can to increase their profits.
According to capitalist theory people must compete to see who
will work for the least pennies per hour. They say everyone must
compete with the people in Mexico and China to see who will work for
the fewest pennies. If a company makes billions in profit while paying
its employees starvation wages that is perfectly fine. At least the
sacred laws of supply and demand are not violated. If the people die
of starvation that is fine too. You can always get more people. If
there is not enough work for everyone to do then they think people
need to die off. Ebenezer Scrooge did everything right according to
the capitalists and followed the beliefs and values of capitalism.
The apologists for the Scrooges correctly point out that
people only start business for a profit. Of course that is true.
Anyone can see that communism is a big mistake. But wouldn't people
start the business for only millions in profits rather than billions?
What if there were laws that made sure working people got a reasonable
share of the profit? Would that be so terrible?
In a hypothetical case suppose technology progressed so far that
all
the work were done by machines. Huge farms gathering food and all
automated. You would think everything would be great, but under
capitalism the people would starve because there wouldn't be enough
jobs.
Capitalists oppose welfare and say that orphans and other needy
people should be helped by charity. How much charity would there be
when capitalists openly say that selfishness is a great virtue? If
there was no welfare then the charitable people would have to pay for
everything while most people would not pay one thin dime. We have
welfare so people all pay their fair share. It is part of having
civilization.
We have many laws that make things better for people.
There are laws that give people extra pay if they work over forty
hours. There are laws that ensure people will have retirement.
Capitalism is for doing away with the laws so businesses can be free
to be as greedy as possible.There are laws that keep people from
getting ripped off when they buy a house. Capitalism is against that.
Capitalism is bad for people.
http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
Topaz wrote:
> Capitalism and Communism are both bad.
Ewe've started with a faulty premise therefore rendering the rest of
your diatribe as unreadable fucking hysterical clap trap.
Michael Gordge
RyanT
desired result -- being happy. Asking an angry man for advice on how
to be happy is like asking a poor man on how to make money.
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
RyanT wrote:
> Your theories are worthless..
But of course you cant prove that (indeed you cant prove ANYTHING Ryan)
without contradicing YOUR own idea that ALL standards are invented /
therefore imagined / therefore subjective / therefore bull-shit, you
poor sod.
Michael Gordge
RyanT
don't work. All people have to do is look at you. That's reality.
Topaz
Here is a quote from Mein Kampf:
"the Jew seized upon the manifold possiblities which the
situation offered him for the future. While on the one hand he
organized capitalistic methods of exploitation to their ultimate
degree of efficiency, he curried favour with the victims of his policy
and his power and in a short while became the leader of their struggle
against himself. 'Against himself' is here only a figurative way of
speaking; for this 'Great Master of Lies' knows how to appear in the
guise of the innocent and throw the guilt on others. Since he had the
impudence to take a personal lead among the masses, they never for a
moment suspected that they were falling prey to one of the most
infamous deceits ever practiced. And yet that is what it actually
was."
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
Topaz wrote:
> On 14 Jul 2006 20:16:40 -0700, mikeg...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
>
> >
> >Topaz wrote:
> >> Capitalism and Communism are both bad.
> >
> >Ewe've started with a faulty premise therefore rendering the rest of
> >your diatribe as unreadable fucking hysterical clap trap.
> >
> Here is a quote from Mein Kampf:
You dumbfuck, the difference between socialism, fascism and communism
is ONLY the methods of controling and acheiving human sacrifice.
Capitalism leaves peacful human beings alone to trade with each other
in a free and voluntary manner, ie without the use of guns, other than
for protecting human life and property.
If you dont like what a capitalist is doing then you dont trade with
them, it IS that simple.
There is NOTHING like a dose of poverty to sharpen one's mind.
You will find that when you dont trade with people they resort to two
things, thuggery, in which case you shoot the fucking bastards when he
threatens you or your property (thats only if the police cant respond
quick enough of course, as happens all too often today as the police
spend so much of their fucking time and even worse OUR fucking money eg
holding speed guns, breath testing scams and thats because of *invented
standards* of crime etc), OR they learn HOW to produce goods and or
services that people will trade the results of THEIR energy for.
The concpet of capitalism IS based upon human nature, to trade a lesser
for a greater value, eg do you value the ability to shop around for a
better price? WHY?
Why is capitalism is MORAL? Because the alternative is clearly not.
Guns or dollars, there is no bitter choice.
Michael Gordge
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
RyanT wrote:
> Of course I can prove it. You're a living example why your theories
> don't work.
Thats pretty dumb really Ryan, are ewe trying to be funny now because
pretending to be clever is not working very well for you?
eg
Your claim that there is nothing logical in man made theories,
therefore logically including the claim that there is nothing logical
in YOUR man made theory that there is nothing logical in man made
theory, bizarre, absolutely bizarre, where is that universtity where
you poison your students minds RyanT?
Who the fuck duped you Ryan into believing that fucking nonsense? More
important WHY couldn't you see it as a nonsense?
Michael Gordge
RyanT
in giving advice to people about their own happiness. If people wanted
to be like you, they would've listened to you by now.
Gordon Hill
Kristy wrote:
> How many of us can claim that we can find happiness at any time...
;-)
Brian Fletcher
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Brian Fletcher
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>
> Ewe've started with a faulty premise therefore rendering the rest of
> your diatribe as unreadable fucking hysterical clap trap.
>
>
> Michael Gordge
>
One of W'A' most succesful businessmen was a police officer untill his late
thrities. His world was full of the dregs of human nature. He was nasty to
everyone, because thats all he saw.
He now sees the truth of the fact that we always 'sabotage' ourselves into a
situation that reflects our own status quo.
Anybody that reads your agressive insulting responses, who has 'been there
and done that' would have every reason to suggest that this is not the
behaviour of a happy individual.
Of course they will never know, but thats what this medium is all about.Self
reflection.
BOfL
RyanT
time. There are plenty of killers around the world who commit
atrocities in the name of capitalism, like DeBeers who hires
mercenaries to keep the rebel factions down in order to protect their
diamond reserves. These people are being *paid to kill*. Capitalism
has existed as long as the idea of currency was in use, and it sure as
hell didn't stop any of the wars that has happened over the last few
thousands years.
I don't understand why you choose to attach mystical qualities to a
system that was merely meant to be a qualitative representation of
worth. It's called capitalism because it represents capital -- there's
nothing within it that has any moral dictation. Once you boil down to
it, there's plenty of assholes in the world who're perfectly willing to
exploit others in the name of the dollar, that's why we have rules and
regulations in order to curb such abuses.
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
RyanT wrote:
> What the hell are you rambling on about? People kill for money all the
> time.
Yes and its getting worse under socialism and not only that, but it has
absolutely NOTHING to do with human individuals ***trading*** with each
other, which IS the foundation of capitalism, and EWE know that Ryan.
What ewe are talking about is of course called ***crime*** and has
absolutlely NOTHING to do with capitalism, indeed people stealing are
more likely to be called socialists, why? Because taxation IS stealing.
> There are plenty of killers around the world who commit
> atrocities in the name of capitalism,
Nope, in the name if irrationalism Ryan.
Michael Gordge
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
RyanT wrote:
> What's so funny?
Oh lots really, eg YOU claiming that *none of your man made theoroies
are logical* therefore including that theory.
Even funnier Ryan, in a recent post you also *conceeeded* that all real
theories in reality were *discovered* as against *invented* (illogical)
and you also said that all theories in reality had to be logical to be
real.
You're a laugh a minute Ryan.
Hows that refund for your philosophy degree coming along? I'd go for
maximum compensation for humiliation too, if I were ewe, Ryan.
Michael Gordge.
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
Brian Fletcher wrote:
> Anybody that reads your agressive insulting responses, who has 'been there
> and done that' would have every reason to suggest that this is not the
> behaviour of a happy individual.
Oh I doubt there's very many people reading this, who have been there
and done as much as I have Brian.
But then this thread is not about me, its about How to Be Happy All the
Time and when you have been there and done as much as I have Brian in
my short life, including such things as being told our son will not be
alive in two hours time, then you will know that such idiotic crap is
not physically possible, not even for a mystic like yourself nor your
silly godism crap.
You and your god BOTH ***KNOW*** that happiness is only possible if,
unhappiness is also possible, sad but true, so get used to it Brian,
because there is NOT a book on this earth which can write ANYTHING to
change reality.
Michael Gordge
Brian Fletcher
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>
> Brian Fletcher wrote:
>> Anybody that reads your agressive insulting responses, who has 'been
>> there
>> and done that' would have every reason to suggest that this is not the
>> behaviour of a happy individual.
>
> Oh I doubt there's very many people reading this, who have been there
> and done as much as I have Brian.
Is that why you are so arrogant? Spewing out abuse communicates "ONLY" what
is going on inside.
> But then this thread is not about me, its about How to Be Happy All the
> Time and when you have been there and done as much as I have Brian in
> my short life, including such things as being told our son will not be
> alive in two hours time, then you will know that such idiotic crap is
> not physically possible, not even for a mystic like yourself nor your
> silly godism crap.
Godism? There you go again. I speak ONLY of first hand experience.The word
God is an interesting invention, rather like the word socialist. Just
aspects of all individualls.
>
> You and your god BOTH ***KNOW*** that happiness is only possible if,
> unhappiness is also possible, sad but true, so get used to it Brian,
> because there is NOT a book on this earth which can write ANYTHING to
> change reality.
Get used to it? This is what I've been communicating for decades. Reality is
discovered. It is within you. Reading a book or living with such tragedy as
you described, are triggering mechanisms. Just like your writing to get me
to "get used to it".
BOfL
>
>
> Michael Gordge
>
RyanT
are deliberately and obviously using money as the main motivator for
committing atrocities. It's completely rational to kill for money if
there are no retributions involved, that's why that sort of mystified
explaination of capitalism doesn't work.
RyanT
> theories in reality were *discovered* as against *invented* (illogical)
> and you also said that all theories in reality had to be logical to be
> real.
No and no. I conceeded to the fact that some theories were discovered,
and the latter I never said at all.
It's easy to dupe yourself in believing that you're refuted someone
when you misrepresent their arguments. That's what strawmanning is.
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
RyanT wrote:
> Yeah, nice how you just pass it off
FFS it was YOU who passed crime off for capitalism you dishonest little
socialist cunt.
Michael Gordge
RyanT
crime, just how organized crime largely revolves around the concept of
money to make exchanges.
You're made the erronous claim that using money somehow makes people
moral. No, there are too many examples proving otherwise.
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
RyanT wrote:
> > Even funnier Ryan, in a recent post you also *conceeeded* that all real
> > theories in reality were *discovered* as against *invented* (illogical)
> > and you also said that all theories in reality had to be logical to be
> > real.
>
> No and no. I conceeded to the fact that some theories were discovered,
> and the latter I never said at all.
You can be as dishonest to yourself as you like Ryan, it is of no
concern to me.
I have posted your comments on what you have said on the subject, go
back to the Randaphobic thread Ryan and read what you said in relation
to YOUR claim that theories in reality had to be logical and had to be
linked to something in reality, indeed Ryan, if they were not logical
and not linked to reality, you even said [sic] *then they ought be
discarded*.
You even claimed to have been trying to tell me exactly that for 20
posts, which incidentally was the exact opposite of what had been
happening, but who gives a fuck?
Michael Gordge
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
Brian Fletcher wrote:
>
> Is that why you are so arrogant?
Arrogance is pretending to know more than you do, eg the mystics who
pretend there's a god because they cant know that there is. Or the
socialists who pretend that socialism is a good idea when the evidence
shows otherwise.
I had no idea what the rest of your post was trying to say, so I
snipped it Brian.
Michael Gordge
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
RyanT wrote:
> No, I just said that capitalism is a tool.
Fucking liar, how dare you Ryan, look you disgusting little creep, read
what you, or some other delinquent cunt, using YOUR name DID say.
***There are plenty of killers around the world who commit
atrocities in the name of capitalism,***
Which is an absolute fucking lie, such an action is a CRIME it is NOT
capitalism.
> You're made the erronous claim that using money somehow makes people
> moral.
I HAVE said, you fucking context dropping socialist cunt, that TRADE
and MONEY BEATS GUNS AND BULLETS and IT DOES.
I have said capitalism is the ONLY moral political system because it
relies upon and is totally impotent without the concept of **free
trade**.
Would you rather *trade* and with YOUR choice of WHO, what YOU perceive
as a greater value, or money, or be threatened with fucking bullets for
YOUR ideas and results of YOUR energy?
The concept of free trade / capitalism is the human individual
endevouring to obtain greater or lesser value via voluntary
interactions with other human individuals, the opposite of voluntary
interactions IS immoral, therefore free trade / capitalim IS MORAL.
A is A, a robber is a robber - a capitalist is an advocate of MORAL
free trade and a socialist is a fucking parasite.
Michael Gordge
RyanT
were to be discarded, only statements that had no relevence to reality.
You can't seem to distinguish between what is logical and what is
"true" -- there is a difference.
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
RyanT wrote:
> No, you are strawmanning again.
You wish.
> I never said that illogical statements
> were to be discarded, only statements that had no relevence to reality.
You're a liar Ryan and you dont seem to understand that liars needs
better memories than you, YOU SAID THAT for theories to be regarded as
having a meaning in reality then they MUST be logical and **Any theory
must conform to reality**.
You also said.
**Any theory must conform to reality, OK. Then you agree that theories
that have no resemblance to reality should be discarded.**
Which IS saying discard illogical theories.
> You can't seem to distinguish between what is logical and what is
> "true" -- there is a difference.
You dont want to grasp that logic is a tool of reason and IS used to
determine what is true and false via non-contradictory identification
and integration, along with man's sensory perceptions, and the more of
those he uses the better.
Michael Gordge
RyanT
something is illogical doesn't give you the justification fo discarding
it.
You do acknowledge that there is a difference between a true statement
and a logical statement, yes?
RyanT
There are also human trafficking going on in some parts of the world
where people are exchanged for money. This is an exchange of captial,
morally reprehensible behaviors going on in the name of free trade.
How can something be labelled as a crime to begin with, if there are no
governing bodies to enact laws to begin with? Your outlook on human
nature is naive.
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
RyanT wrote:
> Mercenaries get paid to kill in exchange for the almighty dollar.
Oh so you want to introduce another Strawman, thats a moral issue Ryan.
I hold Human life as the standard of all moral values, its a pity you
dont, you could end up a mercenary with invented moral standards like
yours.
> There are also human trafficking going on in some parts of the world
> where people are exchanged for money.
Another moral issue.
> How can something be labelled as a crime to begin with, if there are no
> governing bodies to enact laws to begin with?
Yes thats right, I have never suggested otherwise and its dishonest of
you to imply I have.
> Your outlook on human
> nature is naive.
At least I have an outlook on *human nature* indeed unlike a socialist
I hold THE human life - including his nature, as the standard of ALL
moral values.
Its your idea of human nature that is so degrading, not mine.
Michael Gordge
RyanT
such behaviors. These reprehensible behaviors are economic
transactions, people being paid to commit these atrocities, no
different than the salary an Nazi officer may recieve for performing
his "services".
You are naive to believe that somehow economic transactions in itself
has some mystical quality that pushes people toward perfoming good
deeds. It doesn't, and it obviously doesn't, because there are too
many examples in the real world where such things happen. As always,
your ideas only make sense in the abstract, but not in reality.
Topaz
>
>You dumbfuck, the difference between socialism, fascism and communism
>is ONLY the methods of controling and acheiving human sacrifice.
Completely false. The Jews control your media and your mind.
There was a book in ordinary bookstores called "An Empire of
Their Own". It was a pro-Jewish book but it showed that the Jews ran
Hollywood.
Here are some quotes from a magazine for Jews called "Moment".
It is subtitled "The Jewish magazine for the 90's" These quotes are
from the Aug 1996 edition after the Headline "Jews Run Hollywood - So
What?":
"It makes no sense at all to try to deny the reality of Jewish
power and prominence in popular culture. Any list of the most
influential production executives at each of the major movie studios
will produce a heavy majority of recognizably Jewish names."
"the famous Disney organization, which was founded by Walt
Disney, a gentile Midwesterner who allegedly harbored anti-Semetic
attitudes, now features Jewish personnel in nearly all its most
powerful positions."
The head of Walt Disney studios is now the Jew Michael Eisner.
On studios that were bought out by the Japanese the magazine says:
"When Mitsushita took over MCA-Universal, they did nothing to
undermine the unquestioned authority of Universal's legendary - and
all Jewish - management triad of Lew Wasserman, Sid Scheinberg, and
Tom Pollack."
Here are some quotes from the paper "Jews Control the Media
and Rule America"
It may be rather out of date but it still explains why things are the
way they are.
"American Broadcasting Companies (ABC), Coumbia Broadcasting
System (CBS), and National Broadcasting Company (NBC). Each of these
three has been under the absolute control of a single man over a long
enough period of time--ranging from 32 to 55 years--for him to staff
the corporation at every level with officers of his choosing and then
to place his imprint indelibly upon it. In each case that man has been
a Jew.
"Until 1985, when ABC merged with Capital Cities
Communications, Inc...the chairman of the board of directors and chief
executive officer (CEO) of the network was Leonard Harry Goldenson, a
Jew...In an interview in the April 1, 1985 issue of Newsweek,
Goldenson boasted 'I built this company (ABC) from scratch.'"
"CBS was under the domination of William S. Paley for more than
half a century. The son of immigrant Jews from Russia..."
"There has been no move by top G-E management to change the
Jewish "profile" of NBC or to replace key Jewish personel. To the
contrary, new Jewish executives have been added: an example is Steve
Friedman..."
"The man in charge of the television entertainment division at
CBS is Jeff Sagansky. At ABC the entertainment division is run by two
men....nearly all of the men who shape young Amercians' concept of
reality, of good and evil, of permissible and impermissible behavior
are Jews. In particular, Sagansky and Bloomberg arre Jews. So is
Tartikoff. Littlefield is the only Gentile who has had a significant
role in TV entertainment programming in recent years."
"American Film magazine listed the top 10...entertainment
companies and their CEOs...Time Warner Communications (Steven J Ross,
Jew) Walt Disney Co. (Michael D. Eisner, Jew)...Of the 10 top
entertainment CEOs listed above, eight are Jews."
"The Newhouse media empire provides an example of more than a
lack of real competition among America's daily newspapers; it also
illustrates the insatiable appetite Jews have shown for all organs of
opinion... The Newhouse's own 31 daily newspapers, including several
large and important ones, such as the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the
Newark Star-Ledger, and the New Orleans Times-Picayune; the nation's
largest trade book publishing conglomerate, Random House, with all
its subsideries; Newhouse Broadcasting, consisting of 12 television
broadcasting stations and 87 cable-TV systems, including some of the
countries largest cable networks- the Sunday supplement Parade, with a
circulation of more than 22 million copies per week; some two dozen
major magazines, including the New Yorker, Vogue, Madamoiselle,
Glamour, Vanity Fair, HQ, Bride's, Gentlemen's Quarterly, Self,
Home&Garden...."
"Furthermore, even those newspapers still under Gentile ownership
and management are so thoroughly dependent upon Jewish advertising..."
"the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington
Post. These three...are the newspapers which set trends and guidlines
for nearly all others. They are the ones which decide what is news and
what isn't, at national and international levels. They originate the
news; the others merely copy it. And all three newspapers are in
Jewish hands...The Suzberger family also owns, through the New York
Times Co. 36 other newspapers; twelve magazines, including McCall's
and Family Circle..."
"New York's other newspapers are in no better hands than the
Daily News. The New York Post is owned by billionare Jewish
real-estate developer Peter Kalikow. The Village Voice is the personal
property of Leonard Stern, the billionaire Jewish owner of..."
"There are only three newsmagazines of any note published in the
United States: Time, Newsweek, and U.S. News & World Report....The CEO
of Time Warner Communications is Steven J. Ross, and he is a Jew.
"Newsweek, as mentioned above, is published by the Washington
Post Co., under the Jewess Katherine Meyer Graham..."
"U.S. News & World Report... owned and published by Jewish real
estate developer Mortimer B. Zucherman..."
" The three largest book publishers...Random House... Simon &
Schuster , and Time Inc. Book Co....All three are owned or controlled
by Jews...The CEO of Simon & Schuster if Richard Snyder, and the
president is Jeremy Kaplan; both are Jews too."
"Western Publishing...ranks first among publishers of childrens
books, with more than 50 per cent of the market. Its chairman and CEO
is Richard Bernstein, a Jew."
"Jewish spokesmen customarily will use evasive tactics. "Ted
Turner isn't a Jew!" they will announce..."
"We are doing more than merely giving them a decisive influence
on our political system and virtual control of our government; we also
are giving them control of the minds and souls of our children..."
>
>Capitalism leaves peacful human beings alone to trade with each other
>in a free and voluntary manner, ie without the use of guns, other than
>for protecting human life and property.
>
>If you dont like what a capitalist is doing then you dont trade with
>them, it IS that simple.
>
>There is NOTHING like a dose of poverty to sharpen one's mind.
It's true that Capitalism is "fair". Consider the guy who invented
the car and all the millions of people who benefit from that who don't
know the first thing mechanics. In America something like 2% of the
people have 95% of the wealth or whatever. I forget the actual
figures. Some of this was dishonest, but much of it was from producing
things, like microsoft software.
People who start businesses and create things are in fact superior
In all fairness there should be the few very rich and the many very
poor and that is what capitalism produces. But here is the point -
what good does it do them to have billions of dollars? What more can
they own or do, than if they merely had millions of dollars? Compare
that to the difference between having enough to afford shelter and
being out in the street. The guy who invented the car did a lot to
make things better for people. Replacing capitalism would also make
things better for people.
Capitalists don't agree that they are greedy. They say a person can
take their job for $5 an hour or they will find someone else to take
the job. It doesn't matter if they are making billions of dollars.
It's all perfectly fair in their minds. And they are totally against
"big government" doing anything to stop them. We can put an end to
their pathetic ideas without having any nonsense ideas like Communism.
Obviously we should have private property. And viewing business
leaders as enemies is also ridiculous. But capitalism is a horrible
idea and should go as extinct as the dinosaurs. In the future we have
should advanced economics designed to make things good for people.
>
>You will find that when you dont trade with people they resort to two
>things, thuggery, in which case you shoot the fucking bastards when he
>threatens you or your property (thats only if the police cant respond
>quick enough of course, as happens all too often today as the police
>spend so much of their fucking time and even worse OUR fucking money eg
>holding speed guns, breath testing scams and thats because of *invented
>standards* of crime etc), OR they learn HOW to produce goods and or
>services that people will trade the results of THEIR energy for.
Suppose someone is in a desert and very thirsty. A Capitalist lands
his plane and offers to sell a bottle of water. The price of the water
is the thirsty persons house, car, and everything else he has. This is
capitalism. A decent person would just give the guy the water. Greed
is one of the things we should put a stop to, whether the greedy like
it or not. We should dismiss their arguments of how fair it is. We are
not buying that.
>
>The concpet of capitalism IS based upon human nature, to trade a lesser
>for a greater value, eg do you value the ability to shop around for a
>better price? WHY?
>
>Why is capitalism is MORAL? Because the alternative is clearly not.
Most people have a gut feeling that Capitalism is materialistic
and therefore there is something bad about it. But it needs to be
explained more clearly.
The first thing to notice is that people are not equal. We all
benefit from a few outstanding people like Edison and the Wright
brothers. We notice this everywhere. For example at an amusement park
thousands of people enjoy the roller coaster but how many have what is
takes to build a good one?
If everyone were equal in business, capitalism might work. The
capitalist theories of supply and demand would involve a lot of people
starting their own business. But as it is, Capitalism results in the
few with useless billions they could never spend and the many
struggling to survive.
The materialistic part of it is that a lot of people want to march
to different drummers. When it is time to go to the beach, who is
superior now, the bodybuilder or the doctor? People may have a passion
for chess or karate or any of thousands of other things that are not
done for money. Capitalism assumes that everyone has to have a passion
for making money.
People should be able to easily get a job and live comfortably on
it and pursue their passions if they march to the beat of a different
drummer. They should get less pay than those who are more useful in
business. But decent hard working citizens in a nation should have
good lives. This is more important than all the hype of how "fair"
Capitalism is and that no one is forced to accept a job.
Of course there is the bad kind of socialism where people don't work
and get money anyway. Who is talking about that nonsense? Everyone has
to work. But we should have a good socialism.
Capitalism is all about theories of supply and demand and boasts
that it that it has no interest in doing anything good for people
otherwise. They may boast that their idea is more macho and
independent. Actually it is more macho to fight the Scrooge types and
put them in their place whether they like it or not. Independence is
great in some ways, but we should be a nation of people who care about
each other. This is what makes things good.
>
>Guns or dollars, there is no bitter choice.
>
http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
Topaz
>more likely to be called socialists, why? Because taxation IS stealing.
>
If there are no taxes who will pave the roads?
Topaz
>What the hell are you rambling on about? People kill for money all the
>time. There are plenty of killers around the world who commit
>atrocities in the name of capitalism, like DeBeers who hires
>mercenaries to keep the rebel factions down in order to protect their
>diamond reserves. These people are being *paid to kill*.
No good. He is talking about the theory of capitalism. Capitalists
are against murder. You must attack his notions at the root. He has a
blind faith in "market forces". His faith is wrong.
"Libertarians believe that once one is burned by charlatans,
they'll simply stop doing business with the ogres who proselytize
inferior work and product. But, isn't the hue and cry for governmental
regulation the mechanism that the public demands when they've been
ripped-off by nefarious business people? In many cases, especially
with bigger ticket items, they don't have the luxury of not doing
business with a sinister plutocrat, but must buy and weep over shoddy
business practices...
"Surely, we've seen enough charlatans to
know that the market itself cannot monitor its own activities to the
good of all!"
D. Stephen Heersink
> Capitalism
>has existed as long as the idea of currency was in use, and it sure as
>hell didn't stop any of the wars that has happened over the last few
>thousands years.
>
>I don't understand why you choose to attach mystical qualities to a
>system that was merely meant to be a qualitative representation of
>worth. It's called capitalism because it represents capital -- there's
>nothing within it that has any moral dictation. Once you boil down to
>it, there's plenty of assholes in the world who're perfectly willing to
>exploit others in the name of the dollar, that's why we have rules and
>regulations in order to curb such abuses.
>
That's more like it.
Topaz
>No, I just said that capitalism is a tool. Money can be used for
>crime, just how organized crime largely revolves around the concept of
>money to make exchanges.
>
>You're made the erronous claim that using money somehow makes people
>moral. No, there are too many examples proving otherwise.
>
Capitalists are against murder. They just see nothing wrong with
greed. They think they are moral, though others know better. If you
ask them about it they will defend Ebenezer Scrooge and say he was a
fine person.
Topaz
>Yeah, nice how you just pass it off as something else even though they
>are deliberately and obviously using money as the main motivator for
>committing atrocities. It's completely rational to kill for money if
>there are no retributions involved, that's why that sort of mystified
>explaination of capitalism doesn't work.
>
Capitalists know that they don't need to kill. Capitalism results in
the few very rich and the many struggling to live, without any
killing or stealing. They think as long as no one is forced to do
anything everything is fine.
http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
RyanT
Topaz
>I have said capitalism is the ONLY moral political system because it
>relies upon and is totally impotent without the concept of **free
>trade**.
>
There is nothing moral about capitalism. It doesn't care more about
people than about material things. It sees nothing wrong with greed.
It is a blind faith in "market forces". That faith is wrong.
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
RyanT wrote:
> Moral issues or not, capital is being used to justify the actions of
> such behaviors.
You are deliberately dropping context.You know that I have said a
thousand times that human life is the standard of all moral values.
BTW It IS a fact that it CAN be morally justified to kill someone, with
mercenaries or not, it doesn't matter, but that for another thread.
That is NOT the subject of this thread NOR has it ANYTHING to do
capitalism as a political idea and you know it, you are getting so
desperate aren't you?
The idea of capitalism is FREE TRADE, peaceful human individuals being
left free and alone to trade with human beings of their choice, usually
with the intent to obtain a greater for a lesser value (what some may
call profit) . Why usually? Simple, becuase the opposite **greater for
lesser value** (eg socialist philosophy) would lead to his eventual
death.
Free trade ALSO, by default, means that people trading CAN be held
directly responsible for their actions.
Why dont YOU want to be held personally responsible for what and how
you trade Ryan?
> These reprehensible behaviors are economic...
Desperate off topic strawman piffle snipped.
Michael Gordge
RyanT
The obvious fact is that supply and demand does nothing to encourage
nor discourage good or bad behavior. If there is a demand for killing,
the market will fulfill it. The market has the ability to fulfill
undesirable outcomes, therefore we have regulations.
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
RyanT wrote:
> There you go again, switching topics when you can't argue your point.
So how is **the box is black NO fuck off its white** argument going in
that mental institution? dilbrain
> The obvious fact is that supply and demand does nothing to encourage
> nor discourage good or bad behavior.
I hold *Human life as the standard for ALL moral values* Ryan.
In the matter of human interactions, that IS the standard I use to
determine good from bad.
Note how that is a standard which exists in reality, that you can poke
it with a stick Ryan?
Standards which have ANY meaning in reality **exist** independent of
mind.
Your right to YOUR life and the pursuit of YOUR happiness, the right
for YOU to be the sole decider and sole benefactor of the results of
YOUR energy, YOUR right to YOUR property is a corollary.
The automatic consequence of that IS, you and you alone can be held
responsible for what you do. What scares you so much about that?
You can ONLY speak for YOU.
Michael Gordge
RyanT
people from committing atrocities, which is doesn't, for obvious
reasons. You have a knack for switching the topic of debate when
people point out obvious flaws in your formulations.
chazwin
Tourrett's - Call it textual Tourrett's
Topaz
>Your premises based on race, on the other hand, is faulty.
You may think so but you could go to Europe and then to Africa and
see the difference.
Topaz
by Mark Weber
Nearly everyone has heard of Auschwitz, the German wartime
concentration camp where many prisoners-most of them Jewish-were
reportedly exterminated, especially in gas chambers. Auschwitz is
widely regarded as the most terrible Nazi extermination center. The
camp's horrific reputation cannot, however, be reconciled with the
facts.
Scholars challenge Holocaust story
Astonishing as it may seem, more and more historians and engineers
have been challenging the widely accepted Auschwitz story. These
"revisionist" scholars do not dispute the fact that large numbers of
Jews were deported to the camp, or that many died there, particularly
of typhus and other diseases. But the compelling evidence they present
shows that Auschwitz was not an extermination center and that the
story of mass killings in "gas chambers" is a myth.
The Auschwitz camps
The Auschwitz camp complex was set up in 1940 in what is now
south-central Poland. Large numbers of Jews were deported there
between 1942 and mid-1944.
The main camp was known as Auschwitz I. Birkenau, or Auschwitz II, was
supposedly the main extermination center, and Monowitz, or Auschwitz
III, was a large industrial center where gasoline was produced from
coal. In addition there were dozens of smaller satellite camps devoted
to the war economy.
Four million victims?
At the postwar Nuremberg Tribunal, the Allies charged that the Germans
exterminated four million people at Auschwitz. This figure, which was
invented by the Soviets, was uncritically accepted for many years. It
often appeared in major American newspapers and magazines, for
example. (note 1)
Today no reputable historian, not even those who generally accept the
extermination story, believes this figure. Israeli Holocaust historian
Yehuda Bauer said in 1989 that it is time to finally acknowledge the
familiar four million figure is a deliberate myth. In July 1990 the
Auschwitz State Museum in Poland, along with Israel's Yad Vashem
Holocaust Center, suddenly announced that altogether perhaps one
million people (both Jews and non-Jews) died there. Neither
institution would say how many of these people were killed, nor were
any estimates given of the numbers of those supposedly gassed. (note
2) One prominent Holocaust historian, Gerald Reitlinger, has estimated
that perhaps 700,000 or so Jews perished at Auschwitz. More recently,
Holocaust historian Jean-Claude Pressac has estimated that about
800,000 persons-of whom 630,000 were Jewish-perished at Auschwitz.
While even such lower figures are incorrect, they show how the
Auschwitz story has changed drastically over the years. (note 3)
Bizarre tales
At one time it was seriously claimed that Jews were systematically
electrocuted at Auschwitz. American newspapers, citing a Soviet
eyewitness report from liberated Auschwitz, told readers in February
1945 that the methodical Germans had killed Jews there using an
"electric conveyor belt on which hundreds of persons could be
electrocuted simultaneously [and] then moved on into furnaces. They
were burned almost instantly, producing fertilizer for nearby cabbage
fields." (note 4)
And at the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans used a "newly invented" device to
instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way
that there was no trace left of them." (note 5) No reputable historian
now accepts either of these fanciful tales.
The Höss 'confession'
A key Holocaust document is the "confession" of former Auschwitz
commandant Rudolf Höss of April 5, 1946, which was submitted by the
U.S. prosecution at the main Nuremberg trial. (note 6)
Although it is still widely cited as solid proof for the Auschwitz
extermination story, it is actually a false statement that was
obtained by torture.
Many years after the war, British military intelligence sergeant
Bernard Clarke described how he and five other British soldiers
tortured the former commandant to obtain his "confession." Höss
himself privately explained his ordeal in these words: "Certainly, I
signed a statement that I killed two and half million Jews. I could
just as well have said that it was five million Jews. There are
certain methods by which any confession can be obtained, whether it is
true or not." (note 7)
Even historians who generally accept the Holocaust extermination story
now acknowledge that many of the specific statements made in the Höss
"affidavit" are simply not true. For one thing, no serious scholar now
claims that anything like two and a half or three million people
perished in Auschwitz.
The Höss "affidavit" further alleges that Jews were already being
exterminated by gas in the summer of 1941 at three other camps:
Belzec, Treblinka and Wolzek. The "Wolzek" camp mentioned by Höss is a
total invention. No such camp existed, and the name is no longer
mentioned in Holocaust literature. Moreover, the story these days by
those who believe in the Holocaust legend is that gassings of Jews did
not begin at Auschwitz, Treblinka, or Belzec until sometime in 1942.
No documentary evidence
Many thousands of secret German documents dealing with Auschwitz were
confiscated after the war by the Allies. Not a single one refers to a
policy or program of extermination. In fact, the extermination story
cannot be reconciled with the documentary evidence.
Many Jewish inmates unable to work
For example, it is often claimed that all Jews at Auschwitz who were
unable to work were immediately killed. Jews who were too old, young,
sick, or weak were supposedly gassed on arrival, and only those who
could be worked to death were temporarily kept alive.
But the evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage of the
Jewish inmates were not able to work, and were nevertheless not
killed. For example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4,
1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS
Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of
25,000 Jewish inmates in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and
that all of the remaining Jewish inmates-some 21,500, or about 86
percent-were unable to work. (note 8)
This is also confirmed in a secret report dated April 5, 1944, on
"security measures in Auschwitz" by Oswald Pohl, head of the SS
concentration camp system, to SS chief Heinrich Himmler. Pohl reported
that there was a total of 67,000 inmates in the entire Auschwitz camp
complex, of whom 18,000 were hospitalized or disabled. In the
Auschwitz II camp (Birkenau), supposedly the main extermination
center, there were 36,000 inmates, mostly female, of whom
"approximately 15,000 are unable to work." (note 9)
These two documents simply cannot be reconciled with the Auschwitz
extermination story.
The evidence shows that Auschwitz-Birkenau was established primarily
as a camp for Jews who were not able to work, including the sick and
elderly, as well as for those who were temporarily awaiting assignment
to other camps. That's the considered view of Dr. Arthur Butz of
Northwestern University, who also says that this was the reason for
the unusually high death rate there. (note 10)
Princeton University history professor Arno Mayer, who is Jewish,
acknowledges in a recent book about the "final solution" that more
Jews perished at Auschwitz as a result of typhus and other "natural"
causes than were executed. (note 11)
Anne Frank
Perhaps the best known Auschwitz inmate was Anne Frank, who is known
around the world for her famous diary. But few people know that
thousands of Jews, including Anne and her father, Otto Frank,
"survived" Auschwitz.
The 15-year-old girl and her father were deported from the Netherlands
to Auschwitz in September 1944. Several weeks later, in the face of
the advancing Soviet army, Anne was evacuated along with many other
Jews to the Bergen-Belsen camp, where she died of typhus in March
1945.
Her father came down with typhus in Auschwitz and was sent to the camp
hospital to recover. He was one of thousands of sick and feeble Jews
who were left behind when the Germans abandoned the camp in January
1945, shortly before it was overrun by the Soviets. He died in
Switzerland in 1980.
If the German policy had been to kill Anne Frank and her father, they
would not have survived Auschwitz. Their fate, tragic though it was,
cannot be reconciled with the extermination story.
Allied propaganda
The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay
statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any
evidence of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because
rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread.
Allied planes dropped large numbers of LEAFLETS , written in Polish
and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that
people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story,
which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort,
was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. (note 12)
Survivor testimony
Former inmates have confirmed that they saw no evidence of
extermination at Auschwitz.
An Austrian woman, Maria Vanherwaarden, testified about her camp
experiences in a Toronto District Court in March 1988. She was
interned in Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1942 for having sexual relations
with a Polish forced laborer. On the train trip to the camp, a Gypsy
woman told her and the others that they would all be gassed at
Auschwitz.
Upon arrival, Maria and the other women were ordered to undress and go
into a large concrete room without windows to take a shower. The
terrified women were sure that they were about to die. But then,
instead of gas, water came out of the shower heads.
Auschwitz was no vacation center, Maria confirmed. She witnessed the
death of many fellow inmates by disease, particularly typhus, and
quite a few committed suicide. But she saw no evidence at all of mass
killings, gassings, or of any extermination program. (note 13)
A Jewish woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from
Hungary in July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and
cremated daily. She likewise testified after the war that she heard
and saw nothing of "gas chambers" during the time she was interned
there. She heard the gassing stories only later. (note 14)
Inmates released
Auschwitz internees who had served their sentences were released and
returned to their home countries. If Auschwitz had actually been a top
secret extermination center, the Germans would certainly not have
released inmates who "knew" what was happening in the camp. (note 15)
Himmler orders death rate reduced
In response to the deaths of many inmates due to disease, especially
typhus, the German authorities responsible for the camps ordered firm
counter-measures.
The head of the SS camp administration office sent a directive dated
Dec. 28, 1942, to Auschwitz and the other concentration camps. It
sharply criticized the high death rate of inmates due to disease, and
ordered that "camp physicians must use all means at their disposal to
significantly reduce the death rate in the various camps."
Furthermore, it ordered:
The camp doctors must supervise more often than in the past the
nutrition of the prisoners and, in cooperation with the
administration, submit improvement recommendations to the camp
commandants . . . The camp doctors are to see to it that the working
conditions at the various labor places are improved as much as
possible.
Finally, the directive stressed that "the Reichsfhrer SS [Heinrich
Himmler] has ordered that the death rate absolutely must be reduced."
(note 16)
German camp regulations
Official German camp regulations make clear that Auschwitz was not an
extermination center. They ordered: (note 17)
New arrivals in the camp are to be given a thorough medical
examination, and if there is any doubt [about their health], they must
be sent to quarantine for observation.
Prisoners who report sick must be examined that same day by the camp
physician. If necessary, the physician must transfer the prisoners to
a hospital for professional treatment.
The camp physician must regularly inspect the kitchen regarding the
preparation of the food and the quality of the food supply. Any
deficiencies that may arise must be reported to the camp commandant.
Special care should be given in the treatment of accidents, in order
not to impair the full productivity of the prisoners.
Prisoners who are to be released or transfered must first be brought
before the camp physician for medical examination.
Telltale aerial photos
Detailed aerial reconnaissance photographs taken of Auschwitz-Birkenau
on several random days in 1944 (during the height of the alleged
extermination period there) were made public by the CIA in 1979. These
photos show no trace of piles of corpses, smoking crematory chimneys
or masses of Jews awaiting death, things that have been repeatedly
alleged, and all of which would have been clearly visible if Auschwitz
had been the extermination center it is said to have been. (note 18)
Absurd cremation claims
Cremation specialists have confirmed that thousands of corpses could
not possibly have been cremated every day throughout the spring and
summer of 1944 at Auschwitz, as commonly alleged.
For example, Mr. Ivan Lagace, manager of a large crematory in Calgary,
Canada, testified in court in April 1988 that the Auschwitz cremation
story is technically impossible. The allegation that 10,000 or even
20,000 corpses were burned every day at Auschwitz in the summer of
1944 in crematories and open pits is simply "preposterous" and "beyond
the realm of reality," he declared under oath. (note 19)
Gassing expert refutes extermination story
America's leading gas chamber expert, Boston engineer Fred A.
Leuchter, carefully examined the supposed "gas chambers" in Poland and
concluded that the Auschwitz gassing story is absurd and technically
impossible.
Leuchter is the foremost specialist on the design and installation of
gas chambers used in the United States to execute convicted criminals.
For example, he designed a gas chamber facility for the Missouri state
penitentiary.
In February 1988 he carried out a detailed onsite examination of the
"gas chambers" at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek in Poland, which
are either still standing or only partially in ruins. In sworn
testimony to a Toronto court and in a technical report, Leuchter
described every aspect of his investigation.
He concluded by emphatically declaring that the alleged gassing
facilities could not possibly have been used to kill people. Among
other things, he pointed out that the so-called "gas chambers" were
not properly sealed or vented to kill human beings without also
killing German camp personnel. (note 20)
Dr. William B. Lindsey, a research chemist employed for 33 years by
the Dupont Corporation, likewise testified in a 1985 court case that
the Auschwitz gassing story is technically impossible. Based on a
careful on-site examination of the "gas chambers" at Auschwitz,
Birkenau and Majdanek, and on his years of experience, he declared: "I
have come to the conclusion that no one was willfully or purposefully
killed with Zyklon B [hydrocyanic acid gas] in this manner. I consider
it absolutely impossible." (note 21)
www.ihr.org
RyanT
yourself?
Topaz
>Let me ask you a question -- have you ever been to those places
>yourself?
No. But not many people deny there is a great difference.
"I was listening to a speech that he gave in Sweden. You can listen at
the
Url below if ya want. http://www.davidduke.com/
Anyway, the guy made an analogy that sums it all up.
He said, lets look at Iceland. They have one of the worlds lowest
crime rates, and have some of the worlds highest test scores.
He then went on to say: Haiti is rich in natural resources, they have
great weather, beaches etc.. Yet its a murder, rape capital of the
world. etc, etc.
He went on to say: If we were to take all of the people from Haiti &
Move them to Iceland, Well, they would soon die.
Take those from Iceland and move them to Haiti and within one
generation Haiti would be paradise on earth.
He explained it better than I did. But you should get the gist of the
Iceland / Haiti analogy. Better yet, listen to the Stockholm speech
and hear it for yourself.."
Tommy
Robert Cohen
mass-murdered at Auschwitz, and therefore have decided to re-post this
self-explanatory <alt.history> note about...uh..."eye-witness
conflict." The point is that two direct witnesses may hold a differing
interpretation of an incident.
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I may have not directly read an entire Wiesel book, nor have I been to
the Holocaust Museum, nor did I watch that Speilberg SCHINDLER movie on
tv.
I've seen the Anne Frank movie--may have skimmed the book years ago
too.
I'm aware of what the above are about.
Anybody may write/post anything & may claim or deny or question
anything--any points: keep reading to get my pov.
Thus, one takes these works on that understood implicit basis.
Here is
a part from Wiesel that I perceive is "true;" but I could not demand
that you think it happened exactly as he describes it.
The witness says the people tossing the bread pieces did not do so for
fun, as Wiesel apparently damningly
implies in his novel.
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RyanT
"Great weather and beaches" are not a natural resource. Resources are
oil, agriculture, mining, among other things. Eugenic theories have
already all been debunked, and it's not going to get anywhere. If you
think politics based on race is ever going to come back in vogue,
you're living a pipe dream.
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
RyanT wrote:
> You made the claim that exchange of capitalism in itself discourages
> people from committing atrocities, which is doesn't,
I have never used the term exchange of capitalism, so stop putting
words in my mouth Ryan.
You DONT kill the people that you want to trade with. You dont TRADE
with people who want to kill you. Trade is a concept requiring
voluntary interactions, I have yet to meet a victim who volunteers to
be a victim, (socialists excluded of course) have you?
> for obvious
> reasons. You have a knack for switching the topic of debate when
> people point out obvious flaws in your formulations.
Utter crap, IF you claim that is such a bad thing then WHY haven't you
answered how YOUR idea that man invents his standards of truth /
reality, is ANY different to the mystic's invented standards of reality
which give rise to their godism nonsense?
Michael Gordge
RyanT
that the Earth is round, yet have you ever seen the Earth from space?
Direct sensory input alone isn't enough to function in society.
Another obvious flaw in your formulation is that you don't make a
distinction between experiencing something and just reading about it in
the newspaper.
Capitalism is the exchange of capital, by definition. If the demand
for comitting atrocities is there, there the market will fulfill it.
Whether you like it or not, there is a demand for human trafficking,
murder, and crime, and these sorts of things are happening all over the
world and in society. Captalism does nothing to encourage nor
discourage these types of things.
chazwin
RyanT wrote:
> The issue of invention has been addressed numerous times. We know that
> that the Earth is round, yet have you ever seen the Earth from space?
> Direct sensory input alone isn't enough to function in society.
> Another obvious flaw in your formulation is that you don't make a
> distinction between experiencing something and just reading about it in
> the newspaper.
>
> Capitalism is the exchange of capital, by definition. If the demand
> for comitting atrocities is there, there the market will fulfill it.
> Whether you like it or not, there is a demand for human trafficking,
> murder, and crime, and these sorts of things are happening all over the
> world and in society. Captalism does nothing to encourage nor
> discourage these types of things.
Of course capitalism has no personality and therefore cannot make
recomendations, and yet the process is that which enables slavery and
other forms of exploitation.
Our friend Mike has enjoyed the benefits of socialist theory and policy
which introduced things such as universal education, health care,
trades unions, workers rights, health and safety, hygene for the
masses, vaccination, social programs to provide assistance to the poor:
without all of which we would be living in a banana republic with
massive polarisation of wealth.
chazwin
RyanT wrote:
> The issue of invention has been addressed numerous times. We know that
> that the Earth is round, yet have you ever seen the Earth from space?
> Direct sensory input alone isn't enough to function in society.
> Another obvious flaw in your formulation is that you don't make a
> distinction between experiencing something and just reading about it in
> the newspaper.
>
> Capitalism is the exchange of capital, by definition. If the demand
> for comitting atrocities is there, there the market will fulfill it.
> Whether you like it or not, there is a demand for human trafficking,
> murder, and crime, and these sorts of things are happening all over the
> world and in society. Captalism does nothing to encourage nor
> discourage these types of things.
Of course capitalism has no personality and therefore cannot make
recomendations, and yet the process is that which enables slavery and
other forms of exploitation.
Our friend Mike has enjoyed the benefits of socialist theory and policy
which introduced things such as universal education, health care,
trades unions, workers rights, health and safety, hygene for the
masses, vaccination, social programs to provide assistance to the poor:
without all of which we would be living in a banana republic with
massive polarisation of wealth.
>
chazwin
RyanT wrote:
> The issue of invention has been addressed numerous times. We know that
> that the Earth is round, yet have you ever seen the Earth from space?
> Direct sensory input alone isn't enough to function in society.
> Another obvious flaw in your formulation is that you don't make a
> distinction between experiencing something and just reading about it in
> the newspaper.
>
> Capitalism is the exchange of capital, by definition. If the demand
> for comitting atrocities is there, there the market will fulfill it.
> Whether you like it or not, there is a demand for human trafficking,
> murder, and crime, and these sorts of things are happening all over the
> world and in society. Captalism does nothing to encourage nor
> discourage these types of things.
Of course capitalism has no personality and therefore cannot make
recomendations, and yet the process is that which enables slavery and
other forms of exploitation.
Our friend Mike has enjoyed the benefits of socialist theory and policy
which introduced things such as universal education, health care,
trades unions, workers rights, health and safety, hygene for the
masses, vaccination, social programs to provide assistance to the poor:
without all of which we would be living in a banana republic with
massive polarisation of wealth.
>
chazwin
How to you reconcile the mountains of dead bodies so numeropus they had
to be bulldozed into mass graves???
How do you account for the hundreds of eye witnes accounts. The
thousands of starving emmaciated survivors and their story - WHy on
earth do you wish to promote these lies??????
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
chazwin wrote:
> Of course capitalism has no personality.....
FFS, so you have never shopped for a bargain? You're a fucking liar.
> Our friend Mike....
In your nightmares cunt.
Michael Gordge
Topaz
>And then he went onto making unsubstantiated claims.
>
>"Great weather and beaches" are not a natural resource. Resources are
>oil, agriculture, mining, among other things. Eugenic theories have
>already all been debunked, and it's not going to get anywhere. If you
>think politics based on race is ever going to come back in vogue,
>you're living a pipe dream.
>
The Jews control your media and everything you think you know is a
lie.
http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
Topaz
corpses. They claim every corpse found after a brutal five-year war
is
the body of a Jewish victim murdered by the evil Nazzies. About 60
million people died in the war, but every photograph of dead bodies is
claimed to depict bodies of Jews.
Take, for example, those pictures of the bodies being bulldozed into a
mass grave at Bergen-Belsen. The records show that only about 7,000
inmates died the entire time the Germans administered the camp. But
almost 30,000 people died at Bergen-Belsen after the British took
over.
The pictures of the aftermath at Bergen-Belsen depict victims of
British and Allied neglect, not victims of German war crimes. The
technique is typical of holocaust hokum. Photographic evidence of any
holocaust just doesn't exist. How could such evidence exist? The
holocaust is lie."
Morghus
Topaz
Elie Wiesel won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1986. He is generally
accepted as a witness to the Jewish "Holocaust," and, more
specifically, as a witness to the legendary Nazi extermination gas
chambers. The Paris daily Le Monde emphasized at the time that Wiesel
was awarded the Nobel Prize because: [1]
These last years have seen, in the name of so-called "historical
revisionism," the elaboration of theses, especially in France,
questioning the existence of the Nazi gas chambers and, perhaps beyond
that, of the genocide of the Jews itself.
But in what respect is Elie Wiesel a witness to the alleged gas
chambers? By what right does he ask us to believe in that means of
extermination? In an autobiographical book that supposedly describes
his experiences at Auschwitz and Buchenwald, he nowhere mentions the
gas chambers. [2] He does indeed say that the Germans executed Jews,
but ... by fire; by throwing them alive into flaming ditches, before
the very eyes of the deportees! No less than that!
Here Wiesel the false witness had some bad luck. Forced to choose from
among several Allied war propaganda lies, he chose to defend the fire
lie instead of the boiling water, gassing, or electrocution lies. In
1956, when he published his testimony in Yiddish, the fire lie was
still alive in certain circles. This lie is the origin of the term
Holocaust. Today there is no longer a single historian who believes
that Jews were burned alive. The myths of the boiling water and of
electrocution have also disappeared. Only the gas remains.
The gassing lie was spread by the Americans. [3] The lie that Jews
were killed by boiling water or steam (specifically at Treblinka) was
spread by the Poles. [4] The electrocution lie was spread by the
Soviets. [5]
The fire lie is of undetermined origin. It is in a sense as old as war
propaganda or hate propaganda. In his memoir, Night, which is a
version of his earlier Yiddish testimony, Wiesel reports that at
Auschwitz there was one flaming ditch for the adults and another one
for babies. He writes: [6]
Not far from us, flames were leaping from a ditch, gigantic flames.
They were burning something. A lorry drew up at the pit and delivered
its load -- little children. Babies! Yes, I saw it -- saw it with my
own eyes ... Those children in the flames. (Is it surprising that I
could not sleep after that? Sleep has fled from my eyes.)
A little farther on there was another ditch with gigantic flames where
the victims suffered "slow agony in the flames." Wiesel's column was
led by the Germans to within "three steps" of the ditch, then to "two
steps." "Two steps from the pit we were ordered to turn to the left
and made to go into a barracks."
An exceptional witness himself, Wiesel assures us of his having met
other exceptional witnesses. Regarding Babi Yar, a place in Ukraine
where the Germans executed Soviet citizens, among them Jews, Wiesel
wrote: [7]
Later, I learn from a witness that, for month after month, the ground
never stopped trembling; and that, from time to time, geysers of blood
spurted from it.
These words did not slip from their author in a moment of frenzy:
first, he wrote them, then some unspecified number of times (but at
least once) he had to reread them in the proofs; finally, his words
were translated into various languages, as is everything this author
writes.
That Wiesel personally survived, was, of course, the result of a
miracle. He says that: [8]
In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 persons to their deaths each day. I was
always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why?
In 1954 French scholar Germaine Tillion analyzed the "gratuitous lie"
with regard to the German concentration camps. She wrote: [9]
Those persons [who gratuitously lie] are, to tell the truth, much more
numerous than people generally suppose, and a subject like that of the
concentration camp world -- well designed, alas, to stimulate
sado-masochistic imaginings -- offered them an exceptional field of
action. We have known numerous mentally damaged persons, half
swindlers and half fools, who exploited an imaginary deportation; we
have known others of them -- authentic deportees -- whose sick minds
strove to go even beyond the monstrosities that they had seen or that
people said had happened to them. There have been publishers to print
some of their imaginings, and more or less official compilations to
use them, but publishers and compilers are absolutely inexcusable,
since the most elementary inquiry would have been enough to reveal the
imposture.
Jean-François Steiner is sometimes named as well. His bestselling
novel Treblinka (1966) was presented as a work of which the accuracy
of every detail was guaranteed by oral or written testimony. In
reality it was a fabrication attributable, at least in part, to the
novelist Gilles Perrault. [10] Marek Halter, for his part, published
his La Mémoire d'Abraham in 1983; as he often does on radio, he talked
there about his experiences in the Warsaw ghetto. However, if we are
to believe an article by Nicolas Beau that is quite favorable to
Halter, [11] little Marek, about three years old, and his mother left
Warsaw not in 1941 but in October of 1939, before the establishment of
the ghetto there by the Germans. Halter's book is supposed to have
been actually written by a ghost writer, Jean-Noël Gurgan.
Filip Müller is the author of Eyewitness Auschwitz: Three Years in the
Gas Chambers, [12] which won the 1980 prize of the International
League against Racism and Anti-Semitism (LICRA). This nauseous
best-seller is actually the work of a German ghost writer, Helmut
Freitag, who did not hesitate to engage in plagiarism. [13] The source
of the plagiarism is Auschwitz: A Doctor's Eyewitness Account, another
best-seller made up out of whole cloth and attributed to Miklos
Nyiszli. [14]
Thus a whole series of works presented as authentic documents turns
out to be merely compilations attributable to various ghost writers:
Max Gallo, Gilles Perrault, Jean-Noël Gurgan (?), and Helmut Freitag,
among others.
We would like to know what Germaine Tillion thinks about Elie Wiesel
today. With him the lie is certainly not gratuitous. Wiesel claims to
be full of love for humanity. However, he does not refrain from an
appeal to hatred. In his opinion: [15]
Every Jew, somewhere in his being, should set apart a zone of hate --
healthy, virile hate -- for what the German personifies and for what
persists in the German. To do otherwise would be a betrayal of the
dead.
Elie Wiesel issues alarmed and inflammatory appeals against
Revisionist authors. He senses that things are getting out of hand. It
is going to become more and more difficult for him to maintain the mad
belief that the Jews were exterminated or were subjected to a policy
of extermination, especially in so-called gas chambers. Serge
Klarsfeld has admitted that real proofs of the existence of the gas
chambers have still not yet been published. He promises proofs. [18]
On the scholarly plane, the gas chamber myth is finished. To tell the
truth, that myth breathed its last breath several years ago at the
Sorbonne colloquium in Paris (June 29-July 2, 1982), at which Raymond
Aron and François Furet presided. What remains is to make this news
known to the general public. However, for Elie Wiesel it is of the
highest importance to conceal that news. Thus all the fuss in the
media, which is going to increase: the more the journalists talk, the
more the historians keep quiet.
But there are historians who dare to raise their voices against the
lies and the hatred. That is the case with Michel de Boüard, wartime
member of the Resistance, deportee to Mauthausen, member of the
Committee for the History of the Second World War from 1945 to 1981,
and a member of the Institut de France. In a poignant interview in
1986, he courageously acknowledged that in 1954 he had vouched for the
existence of a gas chamber at Mauthausen where, it finally turns out,
there never was one. [19]
Summary
Elie Wiesel passes for one of the most celebrated eyewitnesses to the
alleged Holocaust. Yet in his supposedly autobiographical book Night,
he makes no mention of gas chambers. He claims instead to have
witnessed Jews being burned alive, a story now dismissed by all
historians. Wiesel gives credence to the most absurd stories of other
"eyewitnesses." He spreads fantastic tales of 10,000 persons sent to
their deaths each day in Buchenwald.
When Elie Wiesel and his father, as Auschwitz prisoners, had the
choice of either leaving with their retreating German "executioners,"
or remaining behind in the camp to await the Soviet "liberators," the
two decided to leave with their German captors.
It is time, in the name of truth and out of respect for the genuine
sufferings of the victims of the Second World War, that historians
return to the proven methods of historical criticism, and that the
testimony of the Holocaust "eyewitnesses" be subjected to rigorous
scrutiny rather than unquestioning acceptance.
RyanT
serious, everything you've said has already been debunked.
RyanT
slave labor. Sounds like a bargain to me, although wern't we talking
about how capitalism was suppose to stop this sort of thing?
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
RyanT wrote:
> In some parts of the world you can buy children for 100-200 bucks --
> slave labor.
By today's standards I was slave labor for my parents, and I'm glad and
I love my parents for the values they lived by.
Kids up a chimney didnt do Oliver Twist a lot of harm eh?
There wouldn't too many black Americans today who would be too pissed
off that their ancestors were slaves, especially given the state today
of their relations left behind in black South Africa.
> Sounds like a bargain to me, although wern't we talking
> about how capitalism was suppose to stop this sort of thing?
Capitalist politics has to have laws which protect human beings so to
enable them to trade with each other in a voluntary fashion, that is
what FREE TRADE means, FREE to TRADE Ryan.
If you dont like people using kids as their labor, including farmers
like my dad was doing and like farmers today still do, then in a free
capitalist society you act according to your values and dont trade with
them. Nobody is forcing you to buy the milk off a farm who uses his
children as labor on his farm Ryan. Vote with your feet and your
dollars Ryan, because THAT IS moral.
Michael Gordge
RyanT
actual purchasing of slaves using the exchange of capital, which
happens all the time in regions where the value of human life isn't
viewed as being worth all that much.
Are you condoning the act of people buying other people's freedoms and
livelihoods for money?
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
RyanT wrote:
> Are you condoning the act of people buying other people's freedoms and
> livelihoods for money?
Not near enough context Ryan, but then thats not surprising.
It is noted that you didn't mention the black Americans who are pissed
really off their ancestors were slaves, why is that Ryan?
Plenty of people go into the French Foreign Legion and other voluntary
defence forces around the world, ie they trade their freedom for what
they percieve is a greater for lesser value.
My point again IS, that in a capitalist political system, IF you
believe that a capitalist is doing something you dont agree with, and
IF there is NO criminal act, THEN you would be FREE NOT to FUCKING
TRADE WITH HIM.
Use your feet and dollars Ryan, WHY? Because that is the MORAL thing to
do.
Michael Gordge
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
chazwin wrote:
> - WHy on
> earth do you wish to promote these lies??????
Because he's no different to you, he claims that *what he believes is
true therefore it is.*
He believes *a thing* and he has verified that thing according to YOUR
very OWN standard of truth, lets remind the readers what that standard
is shall we chaz?
According to chaz the truth is and I quote:
*A thing believed and verified* Quote unquote
Verified means true, therefore chaz'z meaning / standard of truth is
*Anything belived as true*
Michael Gordge
Robert Cohen
substance, other than monopolizing awards for the best lite mayonaise
on enriched white at the annual Cans & Jars Festival on the Rednek
Riveria.
Though take them mainstreet banks (Bank of America, Wells-Fargo, Sun),
other than of course Irving Trust, Jews aren't allowed in the executive
washrooms without one-day piss-passes, secret handshakes, and golf
handicaps at Restricted Country Club plus we can't get ten percent off
at the pro-shop.
And take the insurance industry: Except for our aggressive Lloydiks of
Tel Aviv, we can't get the poorer accounts.
And what about the energy industry? All we have is oil, gas, nuclear
and coal. But somebody else gets to wipe-off the limo windshields at
the Gulfs of Arabia..
The steel, the electronic, and soon the automobile---they're of the
Han-dialect Jews.
So, it's not that much of a complex jungle world out here for us.
Topaz
>I don't use the media, and I certainly don't watch TV. Really, I'm
>serious, everything you've said has already been debunked.
>
It actually hasn't, an everything your side says has been debunked.
Here is one example that shows your side are the liars:
Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf that the Jews tell big lies. The
Jewish media took his words out of context and claimed that Hitler was
in favor of big lies. This was in itself a big lie and proof that
Hitler was right. Here is what Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf and in
context:
"But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity
for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute
responsibility for the downfall precisely to the man who alone had
shown a superhuman will and energy in his effort to prevent the
catastrophe which he had foreseen and to save the nation from that
hour of complete overthrow and shame. By placing responsibility for
the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took
away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous
enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the
Fatherland to justice. All this was inspired by the principle--which
is quite true in itself--that in the big lie there is always a certain
force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always
more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature
than consciously or voluntarily, and thus in the primitive simplicity
of their minds they are more readily fall victims to the big lie than
the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little
matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It
would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and
they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort
truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so
may be brought clearly to their minds, they still doubt and waver and
will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For
the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it
has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in
this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These
people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest
purposes.
"From time immemorial, however, the Jews have known better than
any others how falsehood and calumny can be exploited. Is not their
very existence founded on one great lie, namely, that they are a
religious community, whereas in reality they are a race? And what a
race! One of the greatest thinkers that mankind has produced has
branded the Jews for all time with a statement which is profoundly and
exactly true. He (Schopenhauer) called the Jew 'The Great Master of
Lies'. Those who do not realize the truth of that statement, or do not
wish to believe it, will never be able to lend a hand in helping Truth
to prevail."
RyanT
what keeps people from committing crimes? Hint: it's not capitalism.
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
RyanT wrote:
> So capitalism is OK as long as it's not a "crime".
Oh there's a universe of difference between what a subjectivist
socialist moron like you and *objective reality* would determine as a
crime sunshine.
Here's a hint, *no victim no crime* Here's another - WHO initiated the
force.
> So
> what keeps people from committing crimes?
So define the crime Ryan, as always not enough context.
> Hint: it's not capitalism.
Fact: it's NOT stealing -
Fact: TAX IS THEFT.
Michael Gordge
RyanT
nothing to prevent these things, and now you're just trying to switch
the subject again.
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
RyanT wrote:
> The crime has already been defined, slave trading.
If slavery were a fucking crime today, then there would be NO fucking
TAXATION deliberately ignorant you socialist bonehead.
So stop fucking pretending that what you do, and what you advocate now
is a world better than capitalism Ryan, because ITS NOT and can NEVER
be.
Socialism IS the slippery sliding slope to human misery, communism IS
the ultimate goal of the socialist and anyone who thinks different is a
delusional sad fool..
Capitalism is a MORAL political idea based on FREE TRADE, WHICH MEANS,
THE FREEDOM OF peaceful human individuals PROTECTED IN LAW, to trade
with WHO THEY CHOOSE.
FREE and ALONE to trade with who they choose, HOW the fuck can that
make YOU a slave UNLESS you are a fucking masochist Ryan?
I note you didn't want to comment on the FACT that some people can and
DO trade their FREEDOM by joining the armed forces of the free world,
because they perceive that as obtaining a greater for lesser value of
their OWN LIVES.
Michael Gordge
RyanT
slavery. One is voluntary, the other isn't.
So basically what you're saying is that by paying taxes, you become a
slave, uh huh. Nothing's stopping you from leaving, though, so why do
you stick around?
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
RyanT wrote:
> So basically what you're saying is that by paying taxes, you become a
> slave, uh huh.
Yes thats the absolute 100% truth TRyan, *Money or your life* IS the
definition, IS the meaning of slavery / taxation TRyan.
> Nothing's stopping you from leaving, though,
Indeed nor you, although, I can understand how a desiring state funded
parasite has a far greater reason to stay than me. How much of YOUR
income is tax paid TRyan?
> so why do
> you stick around?
Because someone has to stay kill the evil ideas of state indoctrinated
philosophy professors who boast and gloat over poisoning the mind's of
the gulible, you're worser than a mystic on a bike you are, TRyan Hard.
Michael Gordge
RyanT
>
> Because someone has to stay kill the evil ideas of state indoctrinated
> philosophy professors who boast and gloat over poisoning the mind's of
> the gulible, you're worser than a mystic on a bike you are, TRyan Hard.
>
>
> Michael Gordge
Heh, well good luck with that then.
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
Thankyou, how does it feel to be a victim of your own philosophy?
BTW You didn't answer how much of your income is tax funded? You like
to presume to know and talk about me, so now its your turn now.
Michael Gordge
RyanT
black and white, it's a mix of both tuition and state funding, which
includes state funded scholarships that help students to get in.
I'm just warning you -- your ideology ain't getting anywhere.
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
RyanT wrote:
> I work at a private school,
Blatant hypocricy that socialists should spend so much time at private
schools, which incidentally are over 1/3 cheaper to run than state
schools, due to the cost of the dead weight of taxation, the teachers
are usually paid better and the kids get better results than most state
schools, dont they Ryan? Indeed thats an absolute fact isn't it Ryan,
that in general private schools are morally better for children? WHY?
Because they are NOT the state's kids.
Many of NZ's and Australian Left Wing politicians, those who have kids
and who are not faggots or lesbian of course, have their children in
private schools too.
> .... -- although life isn't
> black and white,
So thats not a black or white statement about life, so life could be
black and white, so its not true to say life is not black or white.
A is A and not even you can escape it, as much as you obviously want
to.
Michael Gordge
Topaz
wrote:
>The gentiles really don't have all that much to do with anything of
>substance, other than monopolizing awards for the best lite mayonaise
>on enriched white at the annual Cans & Jars Festival on the Rednek
>Riveria.
It's a Wonderful Race
by James Bronson
There once was a college freshman named George who thought he knew it
all. One night over dinner, George got into an argument with his
father. The argument began when the young student tried to explain to
his father that as White people, they should be held accountable for
all the evils that they had inflicted upon non-Whites througout
history. George explained: "Because of European racism, we stole the
Indians' land, we held blacks in slavery, we persecuted the Jews, and
we plundered the environment. We've been oppressive racists for
thousands of years so it's only fair that we pay economic reparations
for all the harm we've done to the world. I'm pleased to see that we
are ending our political and economic domination of the oppressed
peoples."
George's dad was shocked to hear such talk. "Who put such commie-pinko
nonsense into your head, boy? Did one of your sandal-wearing hippie
college professors teach you that?" the father asked.
To which the son replied: "That's the truth dad. My anthropology
professor, Dr.Irving Silverstein, says so. He ought to know. Dr.
Silverstein is a well-respected Ph.D. People of your generation just
don't understand because you were raised in a White supremacist racist
society. That's why I've come to admire Dr. Rev. Martin Luther King as
the greatest man in American history. He stood up to the racists of
your generation. Because of him, my generation of White kids is
completely colorblind."
The father angrily replied: "That's bullshit! I've always been
fair-minded and tolerant of people from all backgrounds and races. I
haven't 'oppressed' anybody, and furthermore there's nothing wrong
with being proud of one's own people, including the European race of
people. Your race is in your blood. It's like an extension of your
biological family and you ought to be proud of your European heritage
and identity, just like every other racial group in America is proud
of its. Why is it OK for them to have a strong sense of racial
identity but it's evil for us Europeans to feel that way?"
The young "intellectual" laughed at his father. "Come on dad, that's
the kind of crap Hitler tried to peddle. Those racist attitudes were
discredited years ago. There's only one race and that's the human
race. Diversity is our greatest strength. Differences in so-called
"race" are as insignificant as differences in belly buttons. And
besides, UN statistics now show that low White birth rates, along with
the fact that we live in an multicultural
society, will mean that Europeans and their ethnocentrist and racist
culture will have died out by the end of the century," young George
said.
Turning red with anger, the father yelled: "You are a walking cliché
you know that boy? And you think it's a good thing that the European
peoples of the world will have faded out and ceased to exist?" Young
George replied; "I think it's great! It will mean the end of racism
and the end of hate. The oppressed peoples of the world would have
been better off if us racist Europeans had never existed to begin
with."
Suddenly there was a blast of cold wind, an explosion, and a huge
smoke cloud. When the smoke had settled, George found himself alone
and lost in a cold open field. An angel named Clarence then appeared
to him and said "Well George, you've got your wish."
George asked: "Where am I? What's going on here? And who are you?"
The angel answered, "George, I'm Clarence the Angel. I was sent here
to show you what the world would have been like if Europeans, or
Whites, had never existed. You now live in a world where Europeans
never existed."
"Oh. That's cool. I'll have no problem adapting because there's not a
racist bone in my body. And when I get back to my world, I'll be able
to tell my professor and my friends how great this non-racist world
was. Say, I'm freezing my ass off out here. Where's the nearest
motel?"
"Motel?" replied the angel. "There are no motels here in what was once
called North America. But there are some caves up in those mountains
where you can find shelter."
"Caves? No way man. I want a nice warm bed to sleep in."
"I don't think you understand George. There are no buildings here in
non-white America because the evil Europeans never came here to build
them. Whites never existed, remember? The natives live in tents. Would
you like to go meet some local Indians? Perhaps they'll let you stay
in a tent."
"A tent? But it's 10 degrees outside?...Oh well. It's better than a
cave I suppose. Let's go talk to these Indians...... Wait a second,
are these Indians friendly or hostile?"
"Why, George, that's a racist question to ask. Just because some
Indians were brutal savages who scalped their victims alive, it
doesn't mean they all were" said the angel sarcastically.
"I know that Clarence. And I'm not a racist. I hate racism.
Nonetheless, I'd feel safer if I could have a gun to defend myself if
they turn out to be violent."
"Gun?" replied the angel. "There are no guns for you to defend
yourself with. Firearms were invented by evil Europeans. Though we
could make a spear with those twigs over there."
"That's too much work. Give me a telephone then. I'll call the Indians
to ask if it's OK."
"Telephone"? replied the angel. There are no telephones here.
Alexander Graham Bell was another evil white man, so he never existed.
No Europeans remember?" "Forget it then" replied George. "I'll sleep
in the damn cave."
Upon arriving at the cave, a shivering George asked the angel for a
lighter so that he could light a fire. "A lighter?" replied Clarence.
"There are no lighters here, and no matches. Those are European
gadgets and evil Europeans never existed remember? If you want to get
warm, you need to do like the locals do and start rubbing twigs
together."
"Oh come on man! You mean to tell me these people still rub sticks
together for fire?"
"That's right George. The Indians live exactly as they did before the
evil pilgrims arrived from Europe just a few centuries ago." said the
angel sarcastically.
"I refuse to stay in this cold cave and I damn sure ain't gonna light
a fire with twigs, and I refuse to sleep in a teepee. I'll go to South
America. I can make it in a warmer climate and I'll adapt quickly to
the great Incan civilization I learned about at college. Since
European racists like Columbus, Cortez and Pizzaro never existed, the
Incans will still be there.
... I need a car"
"Car?" replied the angel. "There are no cars here. Daimler and Benz,
the evil German inventors of the internal combustion engine, were
never born..nor was Henry Ford. There are no paved roads either. This
is a world without evil Europeans remember?"
"No cars! Oh. I'll just have to take a train."
"There are no trains in this world either George. Evil Europeans
weren't here to build locomotive engines or to discover the many uses
of coal, oil and gas, or to build trains or lay tracks. But I'll allow
you to cheat just a bit. Grab hold of my magic robe and we'll fly
south."
George touched the angel's robe and they flew south until they arrived
in an abandoned mud hut in the midst of Incan territory. George was
grateful for the warm weather but it wasn't long until he began to
complain about the heat and humidity.
"Clarence, this hut is a little shithole and I'm sweating up a storm
here. Get me an air-conditioner please."
"Air-conditioner?" replied the angel. "There are no air-conditioners
here. Air conditioning and refrigeration were inventions created by
evil White men." "What?!! You mean to tell me that in the year 2002
these people still haven't figured out a way to keep themselves or
their food cool? a frustrated George asked.
"No George, they haven't. And they never will."
"This is ridiculous. Let's go to the main city to see the Emperor. I
can't live like like this. Where's a car...oh I forget...no cars!
Dammit I'll walk. let's go."
After walking through the jungle for about an hour or so, it began to
get dark. George then asked Clarence to give him a flashlight so that
he could see. "Flashlight? Sorry George, but Thomas Edison was an evil
White man too...and he was never born. There are some branches over
there if you want to make a torch."
"Never mind that!" George shouted back.
By morning time, Clarence and George had arrived at the temple of the
Incans. A bloody human sacrifice was in progress. George turned to
Clarence and cried, "They're going to butcher that poor soul! Somebody
has got to stop this. What horrible murdering beasts! Can't anyone
stop them?"
The angel replied "I'm afraid not. Ritual killings are common place
here."Those evil European racists like Columbus, Cortez and Pizzaro
never existed so the Incans just continued their brutal ways. In fact,
it was the oppressed peoples themselves who made up the bulk of the
Spanish armed forces. The people saw the Spaniards as liberators who
would rid them of the oppressive Incan and Mayan rulers and give them
a better life."
"I can't blame them for helping the Spaniards then. This is a horrible
place. Get me out of this shithole now!" said George.
'Where would you like to go?" Clarence replied.
George said: "Take me to Africa, maybe there's a more advanced and
humane civilization there that I can fit into. Where the nearest
airport?"
"Oh, I forgot...no Wright Brothers." George said. "How about a boat?"
"Boats?" replied the angel. "I'm afraid the most seaworthy rafts
available to you won't be of much help in crossing the vast Atlantic
Ocean. The great Viking sailors and European navigators never existed.
No Phoenicians, no Leif Erikson, no Henry the Navigator, no Columbus,
no Magellan, no Hudson and no Robert Fulton. Even if you could build
your own ship, there would be no compass for you to navigate with and
no sextant either. I'm afraid you're stuck here George."
"Can I touch your robe and fly to Africa then" asked George.
"You're cheating again George, but all right. Touch my robe and we'll
fly to Africa."
When they arrived in Africa, George saw thousands of half-naked
African tribesmen being herded along a dirt path. They were guarded by
other Africans with spears. "What are they doing to those poor men?"
George asked Clarence.
"They are being enslaved by another tribe. Slavery was common in
Africa long before the whites arrived." Clarence said. "In fact, most
of the slaves who were shipped to the Americas were sold to the slave
traders by African tribal leaders."
"That's so sad.' George said. "I want to meet Martin Luther King.
Since his White assassin never existed, this great man should still be
alive. He's probably a great tribal chief somewhere and leader of an
advanced civilization. He will free these slaves from their African
masters. Take me to him Clarence."
Clarence led George to a little hut deep in the heart of Africa. The
naked women and children looked at George in wonder. The young men
were out on a hunt but the older men stayed behind. George was led to
the dingy little hut of the tribal witchdocter and spiritual leader.
There he saw a wild-looking man with a necklace of teeth around his
neck and a huge ring pierced through his nose. "What the hell is that?
George asked.
"Meet Witch-doctor Matunbo Lutamba Kinga" Clarence said. He never
became Reverend Martin Luther King because there were no universities
or seminaries built to educate him. Europeans weren't there to create
such opportunities. But he did become the tribe's spiritual leader. He
specilaizes in casting evil spells. Perhaps he can help you?"
The witch doctor gazed in wonder at George. Then he motioned to his
henchmen to seize young George. The tribesmen grabbed hold of George
and tied him to a nearby tree.
"Stop it! Let me go. What are they going to do to me?" cried George
hysterically.
"They're going to perform a ritual killing on you George. The good
doctor King...I mean Kinga -- believes that by cutting your heart out
while you are still alive, it will bring good fortune and fertility to
his tribe," laughed Clarence.
"Clarence! Clarence! Help me Clarence! Help me!
"But George, you told me that you wanted to go to Africa and to meet
your hero Reverend King."
George said: "This part of Africa has not developed yet. I can see
that now. Take me to North Africa where Egypt and Carthage established
great civilizations. Just get me out of here, please."
Just as the witch doctor's spear was about to carve out George's
heart, George vanished into thin air. He then found himself on the
banks of the river Nile in Egypt.
"Thank you Clarence. Thank you," George said. "I don't understand it
Clarence. Why does so much of the world remain so brutal and
primitive? I learned during Black History Month about many talented
black inventors and scientists. Garrett Morgan, George Washington
Carver, Benjamin Banneker, Granville Woods. Then there's Dr. Carson,
the preeminent brain surgeon in all of America. Where are these men?"
Clarense replied: "Don't you understand yet? America, and Africa,
exist exactly as they did before the Europeans discovered them.
Civilization as you had known it had only been introduced to these
people just a few centuries ago by the Europeans. There are no
universities, no hospitals, no means of transportation other than
animals, no science, no medicine, no machines. In fact, the wheel
hasn't even been discovered in Sub-Saharan
Africa! Those black scientists, inventors, doctors, athletes, and
entertainers you speak of were never given the opportunity to realize
their full human potential because Europeans weren't around to
introduce higher civilization and learning to them. There are no
George Washington Carvers in this non-European world, no Dr. Carsons,
no Booker T. Washingtons, no Benjamin Bannekers, no Michael Jordans,
no Oprah Winfreys, no Bill Cosbys, no..."
"Stop it! That can't be!" cried George. "Let's walk over to the great
pyramids of Egypt right now and I'll show you one of the great wonders
of the world .....built by non-Whites"
They walked a few miles before George stopped and asked where the
nearest toilet was. "Toilets?" replied the angel. There are no toilets
or urinals in this world. Plumbing was developed by evil Europeans.
The people in this non-White world still relieve themselves in open
fields."
Clarence turned around so George could do his business. "I need some
toilet paper." George said.
"Toilet paper?" replied the angel. "There..."
"I know. I know. Toilet paper hasn't been invented yet. Just hand me a
rag then".
Clarence obliged and the two of them went on their way.
"I don't understand. According to my recollections from Geography
class, the great pyramids should be near this very spot. We ought to
be able to see them from miles away," said George.
"Well, George, I'm sure your professors at the college never told you
this, but the ancient Egyptians were not black or brown. They were
Caucasians. The anthropologists who examined the Egyptian mummies
confirmed this fact. There are no pyramids and no Sphinx either. And
the Carthaginians were White too."
George became depressed, but he was determined to prove his beliefs.
"What's in Europe?" he asked.
"Europe became populated by Huns and other Asiatic tribes. They've
settled down a bit but life is much the same as it is in North
America. A nomadic existence based on hunting and food gathering. No
great cities, no science, no buildings, no culture, no fine art - just
a hard daily struggle against life and the elements of nature. In a
Europe without evil Whites, the Roman Empire never existed nor did the
Greeks. There was no Renaisance either."
"Take me to Asia then. Surely the great civilizations of Persia,
India, China, and Japan will suit me" George said. "Clarence, to the
Taj Mahal please." "The Taj Mahal?" replied the angel. "Don't you know
that the ancient Persian and Indian civilizations were established by
ancient Indo-European tribes who crossed the Himalayas? They are the
ones who civilized India and built the Taj Mahal. Those are the great
civilizations
that Marco Polo, Columbus, and others were searching for.Did you know
that Iran is Persian for "land of the Aryan?"
George said: "Don't tell me that the Indians were White men! That
can't be. In the world I came from, I knew many Indians and they were
not White!"
Clarence explained: "As the centuries passed, the Indo-Europeans who
created Indian civilization intermarried with the native majorities
who populated the Indian subcontinent. Gradually there were less and
less evil White people until they faded out completely, along with the
advanced civilization they had built. You will notice that there are
still a few white-skinned and fair-haired Indians and Pakistanis
around today -- in the world you came from that is.
George became worried. He knew he could never fit into the harsh
primitive world he had been thrust into. Suddenly he thought of Japan.
"Japan! I'll show you now Clarence. Take me to Japan. If the Japanese
can make TVs and cameras then I'm sure I'll find a decent civilization
that I can live in."
Clarence transported George to Japan. George observed that Japanese
society was the most orderly, advanced and civil that he had seen, but
it seemed as if almost everyone was either a rice farmer, a fisherman,
or a soldier. There were no cars, no skyscapers, no lights, no
stereos, no sciences, no technologies, no universities. It was a
stagnant agricultural society that seemed to have reached its high
water mark and was incapable of moving forward. George knew he could
not live here either.
Clarence explained to George: "Even the industrious Japanese and
Chinese peoples had to rely on the evil Europeans to build the modern
Asia that you had in mind. In this world, Japan exists exactly as it
did before Commodore Perry's American naval ships arrived in Japan in
the 1850s. There's no industry, no technology, no Fuji film, no Sony,
no Hitachi, no Panasonic, no Toyota, no Sushi bars, no baseball...none
of the trappings or comforts of modern life. These things don't exist
in Japan or anywhere else because
Europeans weren't there to create them and share them with the rest of
the world. Would you care for a bowl of rice George?"
George began to feel sick in both his body and his mind. Not only was
he depressed, but exposure to the harsh elements of nature had left
him physically ill. "Clarence, I seem to have contracted some type of
sickness. I must have some anti-biotics."
"Anti-biotics? There's no...
"Oh Shut up already! Then just take me back to the world as it was!"
"Sorry George. I'm not authorized to do that. Only my boss can make
that call." Clarence said to him: "You see George. Your father was
right. You really had a wonderful race. Don't you see what a foolish
mistake it is to be ashamed and guilty about your own people, and to
let them die out? This is what the world would be like without the
creative spark of Edison and Ford and Pasteur and Marconi. No great
scientists, or mathematicians, or inventors or fine artists. No
Archimedes, no Aristotle, no Socrates, no
Alexander, no Renaissance, no Newton, no Kepler, no Goddard, no
Mendel, no Tesla, no Faraday, no Guttenberg, no Shakespeare, no
Dickens, no Twain, no Mozart, no Beethoven, no Da Vinci, no
Michelangelo, no Galileo, no Copernicus. No Venice, no Paris, no
Lisbon, no Madrid, no Zurich, no Berlin, no St. Petersburg, no
Budapest, no Rome, no Milan, no Vienna, no London, no New York, no
Rio, no Sydney. No orchestras, no museums, no universities, no
hospitals, no libraries, no theaters, no radio, no books, no
television, no electricity, no refrigeration, no heating, no plumbing,
no houses, no steel, no stadiums, no vaccines, no cars, no planes, no
trains, no ships, no
dentists, no surgeons, no computers, no telephones, and most important
- there's no creative genius to be found that could create and sustain
such a high level of civilization. There's nothing for the people of
this world to build upon. It's just a daily struggle for subsistence.
A brutal planet where the few people who aren't mired in eternal
ignorance and darkness have reached their peak of civilization and are
advancing no further."
Clarence went on to lecture the broken and depressed young man for
seven days straight. He covered everything. History, science,
economics, philosophy, art, literature, fine music, architecture,
medicine, politics, agriculture, religion, and all the creations and
contributions that the European peoples had made in every conceivable
field of human endeavor. George listened closely to every word. He
felt like a man who had been
reborn.
After his lecture, Clarence the Angel floated away towards heaven. "I
hope you have found all this to be educational, and I hope you have
learned an important lesson. Enjoy your world George!" mocked the
departing angel.
George began to sob like a baby. It was the year 2002 and he was alone
and hungry in a backwards world where Europeans had never existed. He
cried out to the stars: "Please God. I see what a fool I've been. I
understand now what my father was trying to tell me. I want to go back
to the world that I came from. A world where Europeans not only
existed, but blessed the rest of humanity world with their unique
creative ability. I want to live in a civilized world. Please
God!...take me back!...take me back!...Oh God....please."
Suddenly George was transported back to his college dormitory. Drunk
with joy, George jumped into the showers before he could even take his
clothes off!.
"Warm water! and soap! Life is beautiful!" he screamed.
George's floormates looked at him as if he was crazy. "George! Have
you gone crazy?" asked a bewildered schoolmate.
"No my friend. I haven't taken leave of my senses. I've come to them!"
George replied. George then began to sing classic European folk songs
in the shower. Miraculously, he was able to sing in many different
languages. He sang O Sole Mio in Italian, Amazing Grace in English,
Gloire Immortelle in French, Das Ist Der Tag in German, and also
Belgian, Spanish and French ballads and waltzes. Tears of sheer joy
began to stream down his cheeks. The degenerate music of Hip-Hop and
Rap lost all of its appeal to young George.
After his shower, George drove to a nearby restaurant and ordered two
whole entrees. One was Lasagna and the other was a delicious Veal
Marsala. With his Italian food he had a Greek salad with Spanish
olives and Russian dressing, drank a whole bottle of French wine,
followed by a German pastry for dessert. He finished his meal off with
a hot cup of English tea and a Cuban cigar.
George said out loud: "Oh those European peoples and their delicious
cuisine. Clarence was right after all. What a wonderful race!"
George was happy, but at the same time he realized there was much work
to be done. He thought of all those poor whites in Rhodesia and South
Africa who were being murdered and raped ever since they gave up
control of those once-European nations. He thought of the many
thousands of qualified Whites who were passed up for good jobs and
college entrance because of racial quotas that discriminate against
Europeans. He thought about the declining birthrates among all the
European nations of the world. He remembered that
Europeans everywhere were dwindling in numbers every year even as
their own nations were being flooded with third world immigration. He
recalled the O.J. Simpson verdict and how millions of blacks in
America cheered when that brutal double murderer was set free by a
black jury after he stabbed two Whites to death. He remembered the Los
Angeles riots of 1992, where dozens of Whites were dragged out of
their vehicles and killed like dogs in the streets by packs of
White-hating monsters who were never even punished! He remembered the
time when Jesse Jackson led a cheer at Stanford University: "Hey Hey
Ho Ho, Western Civ. has got to go!" His European blood began to
boil in righteous indignation when he recalled how Jesse Jackson once
said he had spit in White people's food when he was a young restaurant
worker. George now understood that that his people were on a collision
course with worldwide disaster and genocide. George realized that this
great people must not perish from the face of the earth.
George could not wait to see his father. He longed to embrace him and
apologize for all of the foolish and disrespectful things he had said
to him. But first, George had a score to settle with a certain college
professor. He walked into Dr. Silverstein's auditorium and quietly
took a seat in the back row. The nasal voiced Silverstein was
lecturing on and on
about racial and gender inequalities in European-centered
civilizations. It was vintage Silverstein. George's impressionable
White schoolmates, with their baggy pants, hip-hop clothes and
backwards baseball caps, were swallowing Silverstein's poison pills
hook, line and sinker. After letting Silverstein spew his cultural
poison for about 15 minutes or so, George raised his hand so that he
could give the professor a piece of his newly educated mind.
"George? Is that you? I remember you from last semester. I wasn't
aware that you were here today. I failed to recognize you in that
shirt and tie, and without your earrings. You must have enjoyed my
course so much that you signed up again eh? Class, I'd like for you to
meet George. He was one of my brightest students last semester. He
truly has a thorough grasp of the ideas presented in this course.
George, would you be so kind as to tell my class about that brilliant
term paper you wrote about European racism,
imperialism, and the need for monetary reparations?"
That's when young George let loose on the unsuspecting Professor.
"ENOUGH! You scheming devil! You mendacious fabricator of falsehoods!
You pusillanimous purveyor of pinko propaganda! How dare you try to
corrupt and manipulate our young minds when your filthy lies. We
Europeans have nothing to be ashamed of, nothing to apologize for, and
everything to be proud of. And most of all, we don't owe anybody
jack-shit - not one thin dime! To the contrary, it is the rest of
humanity that owes us a debt which can never be repaid! We are the
rightful heirs and protectors of a rich cultural heritage. You vile
manipulator! We are the sons of the Romans, the sons of
the Greeks, the Celtics, the Vikings, the Normans, the Saxons. Why do
you inflict shame and guilt upon us? We Europeans didn't just
contribute to civilization...WE ARE CIVILIZATION! And I declare that I
will no longer tolerate you shithead "intellectuals" trying to tear
our people down. Never again will we walk on eggshells when we speak,
always fearing that we might be called "racist." I no longer care what
people think. All that matters is the truth which you have sought to
pervert!"
"What are you up to anyway? Why do you to corrupt my young peers by
shoving false heroes down their throats. Enough of your Marxist games
of divide and conquer, you commie pinko subversive! I don't want to
learn anymore about Martin Luther King, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton or
Black History Month. They would not have amounted to anything without
the institutions of high civilization created by the European peoples.
I'm going to set this class straight about who the truly great men of
history are - the European
statesmen, scientists, explorers, monarchs, navigators, conquerors,
inventors, artists, writers, philosophers - the innovative giants of
history that you and your ilk have erased from our collective
memories. You speak of a world liberated from European influence?
Permit me tell your students about such a world, Silverstein, because
I can speak from personal experience, you wretched little conspiring
monster!"
Silverstein turned white as a ghost. He was shellshocked and rendered
speechless for the first time in his career! Never in all of his years
at the University had a student dared to so boldly challenge his
falsehoods. Speaking from the heart as well as the mind, and with an
eloquence he never thought he could muster, George broke out into a
60-minute monologue on history, science, philosophy, culture, and all
the other attributes that
constitute high civilization. The young students were captivated by
George's brilliant oratory. Many were moved to tears. By the end of
his tirade, George's reawakened classmates were thundering their
approval of his speech. The class gave George a standing ovation and
they thanked him for helping them rediscover and reclaim their own
sense of pride and lost identity. The unstoppable power of truth had
melted away years of Marxist guilt tripping, self hate, wimpishness
and cultural brainwashing in just one unforgettable hour. The inspired
students proceeded to storm out of Silverstein's class,
throwing their hip-hop baseball caps and nose earrings at him as they
stampeded out and vowed never to return. They lifted George up upon
their shoulders and carried him out of the auditorium like a
conquering hero. With a glint in his eye, George glanced up towards
the sky, winked and said "Thank you, Clarence."
Dr. Silverstein was left humiliated and visibly shaken. He knew that
these reawakened European kids could never again be brainwashed with
"political correctness" and White guilt. Silverstein's greatest fear
was that more of these proud European youths would one day reawaken
and take their country and civilization back from the Silversteins of
the world.
Silverstein was worried, but he remained confident that most young men
and women would never learn the truth about their glorious past and
unique creative abilties. After all, the mass media, Hollywood, the
music industry, the colleges, and the public schools are all
controlled by "liberals" like Dr. Silverstein. With the power of
political correctness in their hands, they can continue to tear down
our European ancestors, destroy our
institutions and traditions, instigate blacks and other races against
the whites, flood America with third-world immigration, and push
"hip-hop" music, homosexuality, and other garbage onto a weak,
confused and morally degenerate youth. After reflecting upon these
facts, Silverstein smiled a devilish grin and muttered to himself: "A
few of these European sheep may wake up to what's being done to them,
but the majority of these idiots never will." And he smiled
again....and laughed with diabolical Marxist glee. Then
he repeated to himself "No...they will never figure it all out until
it's too late."
Or will they?
RyanT
tuition is usually always higher. As for facilities go, state schools
usually have access to more sophisticated equipment because they have
greater access to funding, but as far as quality of education, it goes
up and down. Lots of good state schools, good private schools, but
also heaps of bad ones in both areas. If you'd actually do research
you'll see that most rankings consist of a healthy mix of both private
and public.
Especially at the college level, the differences between private and
public is very much, because you have private interests working with
public schools and visa versa all the time. You don't know shit about
what it means to work in education, so don't pretend like you do.
Like you've said, reality doesn't care what you think. Story of your
life eh?
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
RyanT wrote:
> Haha, no Mike. Private school teachers usually get paid less,
You're in the wrong country then.
> and the
> tuition is usually always higher.
You're being subjective again Ryan, but then you keep telling us that
that's the story of your life, what a bugger that you can NOT
objectively prove what you say is 100% accurate and absolute without
contradicting yourself.
Michael Gordge
RyanT
that on average, private institutions have higher tuition rates. It's
easy to be absolutist when you don't know much of anything.
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
RyanT wrote:
> private institutions have higher tuition rates.
I dont understand the phrase *tuition rates*, please explain.
Michael Gordge
RyanT
It generally costs more for a student to go to private school than it
is to a public school? And you are completely wrong about private
school teachers being paid more than public, as any study done in the
last couple of decades will show the exact opposite.
At K-12 levels, private schools tend to be a lot more stratefied in its
performance. The top private schools in secondary education tend to
outperform most state schools, which predominantly stay in the
middle-range. This is counter-acted by low-performing private schools
that are often based around religious beliefs or some other ideological
agenda.
At the college level these differences largely become arbitrary,
because if you look in any college guide, there is a healthy mix of
private and public schools in the top rankings of any particular
subject. Public funds go into both private and public schools, while
private companies frequently throw money into state institutions to
further their research. People are concerned with results, not ideals.
mikeg...@xtra.co.nz
RyanT wrote:
> It generally costs more for a student to go to private school than it
> is to a public school?
Well if that were true, then how come our children left state school 10
years ago and yet my wife and I are paying 10 times MORE tax now and
yet we were told our tax was for our children's education?
Oh no thats right socialist are required to ignore reality.
Off to work now finish this later.
Michael Gordge