The definition what a whore is.
kmurp...@houston.rr.com
are neighborhood whores and then there are street whores. The main
differance is that street whores have a much greater social status then
neighborhood whores but neighborhood whores don't seem to think so. 'k, so
on a more serious note, calling a woman a whore is an indictment against her
charactor. If you can look past a woman's lack of discipline and her lack
of a pedegree, you may in some cases be able to say, 'She is a natural woman
whose mind is a blank slate, I can withhold judgement but not indefinitely.'
then you may have a woman who is not a whore but you don't know what else to
call her. Chattel is the only thing that I can think of that is close but
it seems too stilted, is there another word that I'm looking for here that
would be more descriptive? I suppose while I'm here I should bring up a
related topic... crack whores... you know, my experience has been that
cocaine is not all addictive. I'm serious as a heart attack. It either
enhances or exacerbates what is already there.
--
Delusional power corrupts, real power corrupts more, absolute power corrupts
absolutely.
Immortalist
I suppose that for every prostitute the would be a "John" or one who
bargains with them, and hence this is just another example of how far
humans capacities can go while sharing and trading.
Reciprocal altruism
In evolutionary biology, reciprocal altruism is a form of altruism in
which one organism provides a benefit to another in the expectation of
future reciprocation. This is equivalent to the Tit for tat strategy
in game theory. It would only be expected to evolve in the presence of
a mechanism to identify and punish "cheaters". An example of
reciprocal altruism is blood-sharing in the vampire bat, in which bats
feed regurgitated blood to those who have not collected much blood
themselves knowing that they themselves may someday benefit from this
same donation; cheaters are remembered by the colony and ousted from
this collaboration.
In a series of ground-breaking contributions to biology in the early
1970s Robert Trivers introduced the theories of reciprocal altruism
(1971), parental investment (1972), and parent-offspring conflict
(1974). Trivers' paper "The Evolution of Reciprocal Altruism" (1971)
elaborates the mathematics of reciprocal altruism and includes human
reciprocal altruism as one of the three examples used to illustrate
the model, arguing that "it can be shown that the details of the
psychological system that regulates this altruism can be explained by
this model." In particular, Trivers argues for the following
characteristics as functional processes subserving reciprocal
altruism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reciprocal_altruism
Are you sure your not just having a hatred or strong prejudice against
women?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny
kmurp...@houston.rr.com
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> On May 16, 5:24 pm, kmurphy...@houston.rr.com wrote:
> > I'll bet some of you didn't know that there are two kinds of whores.
> > There
> > are neighborhood whores and then there are street whores. The main
> > difference is that street whores have a much greater social status then
> > neighborhood whores but neighborhood whores don't seem to think so. 'k,
> > so
> > on a more serious note, calling a woman a whore is an indictment against
> > her
> > character. If you can look past a woman's lack of discipline and her
> > lack
> > of a pedegree, you may in some cases be able to say, 'She is a natural
> > woman
> > whose mind is a blank slate, I can withhold judgment but not
> Are you sure your not just having a hatred or strong prejudice against
> women?
I'm somewhat non-plussed by your response... I'm giving women way much more
credit then my contemporaries. Women should be elated that the word 'whore'
has a definition and that way the next time a man calls her a whore she
should anticipate what she can do about it. I'm an expert on whores and I'm
an expert linguist... why?... because I say so!
tooly
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Immort, another interesting angle is the use of labels as social device to
induce human behavior. When I say device, two items come to mind...that of
shame and pride. Does your database of information have much to say on
this? My observations suggest that 'shame and pride' have lost much of the
the impact they once had.
The word whore no longer has much effect for example...or less than it once
did. In fact, in a sad reversal, I gather that among young women, what was
once deemed 'sluttiness' is now something of a badge of honor for many. The
woman's movement has given the subliminal [and perhaps not so subliminal]
message that old perceptions of sexuality and human relations were male
devices to sequester women to a great extent. Thusly, the ideas of whore,
slut, tramp...anything 'negative' about a woman's sexual behavior is being
cast off. And so, what was once seen as promiscuity, is now being seen as
simply exercise of freedom. Do you think this is a fair assessment?
The ultimate outcome is promiscuity that flies in the face of emotional risk
in human relations between the genders, which further adds to the weakening
of the family unit [ie, the emotional bonds that go into such unit's
making].
Being a male in today's society, my own take on the situation is that a male
would be far more the fool today to risk too much of one's self in total
commitment [I don't mean like in a business contract, but in emotional
bonding] with women and their new attitudes. The propensity for cuckoldry
has skyrocketed. To identify cultural values that have evolved over time as
the products of 'male control' is a dangerous concept IMO and something that
could unravel the seams of civil being [as many of us are observing].
kmurp...@houston.rr.com
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Now, tool, chill out, I can help you out here. Marriage and commitment has
always been like this, nothing has changed except for the chastity belt.
Listen, if you pretend that you are one of those romantic fools, they will
give themselves away. Women are so used to being treated like whores that
they completely lose control if you treat them differently. Play the field
for a while, tool, and you'll figure it out. You might never get married or
you might fool around and fall in love.
kmurp...@houston.rr.com
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There is nothing reciprocal about soliciting a prostitute... a prostitute
thinks that normal sex should last five seconds after you unzipper your
trousers.
> Are you sure your not just having a hatred or strong prejudice against
> women?
I don't suppose anyone doubts that I'm an expert on whores, but whoever is
an expert on whores and linguistics pretty much rules the universe, I might
surmise at this point. I am an expert linguist. I know more than anyone
else on earth the meaning of the word 'imperialism'. You know, it is
really not possible that Kierkegaard can continue to stand when words are
tools and weapons to be used to get the things we want. If you bother to
use words, then the purpose of using words is to obtain the things we want,
the ends justify the means. There is nothing imperialistic about the world
we live in. There is not even one imperialist institution on the face of
the planet and yet everyone is fascinated by it, everyone is seduced by it,
everybody loves it. I've always had the upper hand on this, you still have
another 14 years and 11 months to make Jesus a comfortable fit onto your
mental list of philosophers, great and small. What I failed to mention
earlier, is that Jesus is striped of his magical powers when he enters the
room with Nietzsche and he is *constrained* to only present an argument
which is in the best interest of philosophy and of society. Philosophy
should become an imperialist institution but the problem is that although
philosophy teachers are supposed to be the resident experts on ethics at a
typical university, their ethics is governed by the controlling body of the
university.
Sammybaby
Whore is a term of hatred aimed at women. Usually, today, it has
nothing to do with what she does or thinks. But in its literal roots
it meant a women who had sex in some way like men do: without love.
Men have always been threatened by women who they think are like them.
Immortalist
> "Immortalist" <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Usually I would think of this text in a favorite book, shame and pride
are just two of our "innate_moral_censors";
Innate censors and motivators exist in the brain that deeply and
unconsciously affect our ethical premises; from these roots, morality
evolved as instinct. If that perception is correct, science may soon
be in a position to investigate the very origin and meaning of human
values, from which all ethical pronouncements and much of political
practice flow.
Philosophers themselves, most of whom lack an evolutionary
perspective, have not devoted much time to the problem. They examine
the precepts of ethical systems with reference to their consequences
and not their origins. Like everyone else, philosophers measure their
personal emotional responses to various alternatives as though
consulting a hidden oracle.
That oracle resides in the deep emotional centers of the brain, most
probably within the limbic system, a complex array of neurons and
hormone-secreting cells located just beneath the "thinking" portion of
the cerebral cortex. Human emotional responses and the more general
ethical practices based on them have been programmed to a substantial
degree by natural selection over thousands of generations...
...Which of the censors and motivators should be obeyed and which ones
might be better curtailed or sublimated? These guides are the very
core of humanity...To chart our destiny means that we must shift from
automatic control based on our biological properties to precise
steering based on biological knowledge.
On Human Nature - Edward O. Wilson 1978
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/067463442X/qid=1036537594/
> The word whore no longer has much effect for example...or less than it once
> did. In fact, in a sad reversal, I gather that among young women, what was
> once deemed 'sluttiness' is now something of a badge of honor for many. The
> woman's movement has given the subliminal [and perhaps not so subliminal]
> message that old perceptions of sexuality and human relations were male
> devices to sequester women to a great extent. Thusly, the ideas of whore,
> slut, tramp...anything 'negative' about a woman's sexual behavior is being
> cast off. And so, what was once seen as promiscuity, is now being seen as
> simply exercise of freedom. Do you think this is a fair assessment?
>
Isn't a whore just someone who is considered by the herd to be an
unethical trader in unethical goods?
Males calling other people names is probably part of our human
instinct to divide the world into family/other tribe/other us/them, to
demean the other is to create more reasurrance that out dicotmies are
valid. We spread the difference to support our side of the situation.
> The ultimate outcome is promiscuity that flies in the face of emotional risk
> in human relations between the genders, which further adds to the weakening
> of the family unit [ie, the emotional bonds that go into such unit's
> making].
>
Some primate females trade meat for sex. Bonobos have sex like humans
shake hands upon greeting.
But this set of capacities which we use to consider family relations,
may have a limited warranty since there are urges to break up just
after the child is barely able to survive on its own. So there would
be a competition of motives, and more motives on top of that, which
helps us adjust our situations for maximum survivability.
This phenomenon, popularized in the Marilyn Monroe movie The Seven
Year Itch, is based on the notion that the fabric of marriage gets
frayed threadbare after seven years....
Evolutionists feel that the seven-year span is to humans what a
breeding season is to birds. Apparently, natural selection has
designed us to withstand the rigors of marriage for at least long
enough to raise a child to the point that it has a reasonable chance
of survival without a father. After seven years of marriage, the first
child is likely to be five or six years old. By this age, children are
strong enough to walk without being carried, which is in keeping with
constraints on our hunter-gatherer ancestors who had to relocate their
temporary camps by distances of several miles. Children at five or six
years can feed themselves to some extent, by collecting plant food,
for example, and are alert to dangers of wild animals.
The Science of Romance - by Nigel Barber
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1573929700/
> Being a male in today's society, my own take on the situation is that a male
> would be far more the fool today to risk too much of one's self in total
> commitment [I don't mean like in a business contract, but in emotional
> bonding] with women and their new attitudes. The propensity for cuckoldry
> has skyrocketed. To identify cultural values that have evolved over time as
> the products of 'male control' is a dangerous concept IMO and something that
> could unravel the seams of civil being [as many of us are observing].-
Yes, some sort of ad-hominem which could end up censoring many good
theories about the past, whether male-dominated then or not. This kind
of argument should be resisted by asking what good and bad have come
from male domination in the past and especially what are those ideas
and ways that were discovered in the past that would have been
discovered if it were a female-dominated society or equally male-
female-dominant.
kmurp...@houston.rr.com
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Well, you know, the underlying theme of this is that if Hilary Clinton is
elected president, there are many men who have called her a whore... it
could be payback time if attitudes don't change. It might be best if
attitudes change regardless of whether Hilary becomes president or not.