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Neal Boortz
Jul 17, 2012, 1:00:00 PM7/17/12
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Yesterday I watched the movie �Waiting for Superman.� This is an
independently produced movie about the state of American government
education. To put it bluntly, this movie left me completely outraged. I
am now more convinced than I ever was that the teacher�s unions, the
American Federation of Teachers and the National Education Association,
are the most two most profoundly dangerous organizations in our country
today. You can take every inner city gang, add the KKK and the Arian
Nation � and throw in organized crime and all the drug dealers � and not
do the damage teacher�s unions are doing to our country and our children.
Click on the link. Find a way to watch the move. Host a house party
where your friends and neighbors can watch with you. You�ll never regret
it.
http://www.waitingforsuperman.com/action/
independently produced movie about the state of American government
education. To put it bluntly, this movie left me completely outraged. I
am now more convinced than I ever was that the teacher�s unions, the
American Federation of Teachers and the National Education Association,
are the most two most profoundly dangerous organizations in our country
today. You can take every inner city gang, add the KKK and the Arian
Nation � and throw in organized crime and all the drug dealers � and not
do the damage teacher�s unions are doing to our country and our children.
Click on the link. Find a way to watch the move. Host a house party
where your friends and neighbors can watch with you. You�ll never regret
it.
http://www.waitingforsuperman.com/action/
Paul F Austin
Jul 23, 2012, 5:30:50 AM7/23/12
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On 7/17/2012 1:00 PM, Neal Boortz wrote:
> Yesterday I watched the movie �Waiting for Superman.� This is an
> do the damage teacher�s unions are doing to our country and our children.
> it.
>
> http://www.waitingforsuperman.com/action/
>
The NEA and AFT both wrap themselves in the "for the CHILDRUUUUN" trope
but are what you should expect for a union: "for the MEMMMMMBERS".
No teacher left behind. Even pederasts.
Paul
> Yesterday I watched the movie �Waiting for Superman.� This is an
> independently produced movie about the state of American government
> education. To put it bluntly, this movie left me completely outraged. I
> am now more convinced than I ever was that the teacher�s unions, the
> education. To put it bluntly, this movie left me completely outraged. I
> American Federation of Teachers and the National Education Association,
> are the most two most profoundly dangerous organizations in our country
> today. You can take every inner city gang, add the KKK and the Arian
> Nation � and throw in organized crime and all the drug dealers � and not
> are the most two most profoundly dangerous organizations in our country
> today. You can take every inner city gang, add the KKK and the Arian
> do the damage teacher�s unions are doing to our country and our children.
>
> Click on the link. Find a way to watch the move. Host a house party
> where your friends and neighbors can watch with you. You�ll never regret
> Click on the link. Find a way to watch the move. Host a house party
> it.
>
> http://www.waitingforsuperman.com/action/
>
The NEA and AFT both wrap themselves in the "for the CHILDRUUUUN" trope
but are what you should expect for a union: "for the MEMMMMMBERS".
No teacher left behind. Even pederasts.
Paul
really real
Jul 23, 2012, 10:37:26 AM7/23/12
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education and the teachers' union, but the sentiment behind this is obvious.
If we could only get rid of all the unions in America, we could compete
again with China and Sri Lanka and all those other countries where
people work without rights or decent wages.
And once we get rid of unions, we can get rid all those socially
destructive benefits that came from unions, like sick leave, safety
rules, and holidays.
tomcervo
Jul 23, 2012, 11:50:09 AM7/23/12
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and Michelle Rhee, and understands everything about educational
policy. I'd like to see them all get a sub's licence and take over an
ordinary classroom for one day.
Heynonny
Jul 23, 2012, 1:59:22 PM7/23/12
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On 2012-07-23 11:50:09 -0400, tomcervo <paradi...@gmail.com> said:
>
> A trust fund baby talks to software billionaire college dropouts
> and Michelle Rhee, and understands everything about educational
> policy. I'd like to see them all get a sub's licence and take over an
> ordinary classroom for one day.
It's been totally discredited. Rhee is a fraud and a cheat. And
>
> A trust fund baby talks to software billionaire college dropouts
> and Michelle Rhee, and understands everything about educational
> policy. I'd like to see them all get a sub's licence and take over an
> ordinary classroom for one day.
teaching today is the hardest job there is, teachers are basically riot
control with no authority; a wonder any learning goes on at all.
But that doesn't change the fact that schools have to improve for any
hope of our national survival. They got that much right. The unions
have demonstrated no inclination to help.
moviePig
Jul 23, 2012, 2:43:24 PM7/23/12
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On Jul 23, 1:59 pm, Heynonny <nos...@noway.com> wrote:
One of the greatest circumstantial advantages in life is to fall, even
briefly, under the influence of a high-quality mentor ...which most of
us understand better than we understand that, by definition, there
aren't enough of them to go around. (I was unrealistically furious
when my child was assigned an 8th-grade science teacher who, though
acknowledged as ossifyingly mediocre, was unfireable.) Imo, and like
it or not, any "solution" must be along the lines of multiplying the
reach of exceptional educators -- summoning, e.g., the specter of TV
as the primary instructor...
--
- - - - - - - -
YOUR taste at work...
http://www.moviepig.com
briefly, under the influence of a high-quality mentor ...which most of
us understand better than we understand that, by definition, there
aren't enough of them to go around. (I was unrealistically furious
when my child was assigned an 8th-grade science teacher who, though
acknowledged as ossifyingly mediocre, was unfireable.) Imo, and like
it or not, any "solution" must be along the lines of multiplying the
reach of exceptional educators -- summoning, e.g., the specter of TV
as the primary instructor...
--
- - - - - - - -
YOUR taste at work...
http://www.moviepig.com
Michael OConnor
Jul 23, 2012, 4:47:50 PM7/23/12
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> No teacher left behind. Even pederasts.
in there for years) who were under investigation for various offenses
and awaiting hearings, were drawing a full salary and benefits while
sitting around and reading the newspapers or playing cards, was
appalling, as was the "trading day" (or whatever they called it in the
film) where schools trade their bad teachers with other schools like
they're trading baseball cards. These substandard teachers are just
sent to a different school and a year or two down the line they are
shipped off somewhere else so schools are just passing the buck by
allowing this to happen.
The percentage of incompetent or bad teachers who get fired are a
small fraction of one percent, thanks to the unions who protect their
own. You can be in the Teachers Union and any crime short of murder
will not get you fired from the Union, and even if you are arrested
and charged with Child Pornography it often takes several years to get
you drummed out of the teaching profession, while you continue to draw
your salary and full benefits and work on your pension. There are a
lot of problems with the US educational system, and approximately 90
percent of them are tied to the Unions, although the parents (who do
have an responsibility to know what their kids are doing in school and
have to make sure they are learning it and few seem to do so) have a
role in the problems. Not knocking teachers in general, there are a
lot of good teachers out there, but there are also a lot of bad
teachers out there too and once they get into the Union those bad
teachers are nearly impossible to get rid of.
Lil Abner
Jul 23, 2012, 8:23:25 PM7/23/12
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On 7/23/2012 3:30 AM, Paul F Austin wrote:
> On 7/17/2012 1:00 PM, Neal Boortz wrote:
>> Yesterday I watched the movie “Waiting for Superman.” This is an
> On 7/17/2012 1:00 PM, Neal Boortz wrote:
>> independently produced movie about the state of American government
>> education. To put it bluntly, this movie left me completely outraged. I
>> am now more convinced than I ever was that the teacher’s unions, the
>> education. To put it bluntly, this movie left me completely outraged. I
>> American Federation of Teachers and the National Education Association,
>> are the most two most profoundly dangerous organizations in our country
>> today. You can take every inner city gang, add the KKK and the Arian
>> Nation – and throw in organized crime and all the drug dealers – and not
>> are the most two most profoundly dangerous organizations in our country
>> today. You can take every inner city gang, add the KKK and the Arian
>> do the damage teacher’s unions are doing to our country and our children.
>>
>> Click on the link. Find a way to watch the move. Host a house party
>> where your friends and neighbors can watch with you. You’ll never regret
>> Click on the link. Find a way to watch the move. Host a house party
>> it.
>>
>> http://www.waitingforsuperman.com/action/
>>
>
> The NEA and AFT both wrap themselves in the "for the CHILDRUUUUN" trope
> but are what you should expect for a union: "for the MEMMMMMBERS".
>
> No teacher left behind. Even pederasts.
>
> Paul
Some teachers are on board with the change but most are not. socialists
>>
>> http://www.waitingforsuperman.com/action/
>>
>
> The NEA and AFT both wrap themselves in the "for the CHILDRUUUUN" trope
> but are what you should expect for a union: "for the MEMMMMMBERS".
>
> No teacher left behind. Even pederasts.
>
> Paul
and other change artists have been inaugurated by the likes of Harvard
and went on a mission to change America since the sixties perhaps earlier.
Ordinary Americans cannot keep on to top all the fires thus the
opportunities of the dedicated groups to infiltrate and dominate and
change us into another European socialist society.
Small schools, small classes and individuality have been shoved out to
further the regimentation and socialist indoctrination agendas.
tomcervo
Jul 23, 2012, 8:58:02 PM7/23/12
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On Jul 23, 1:59 pm, Heynonny <nos...@noway.com> wrote:
entrepreneurs (Murdoch's got a MAJOR investment in online learning,
for one)--that's understandable.
One of the most useful lessons I ever taught was to slap some peanut
butter on bread and fold it over and have that for a morning meal--to
tide a kid over until his free lunch, the only good meal he'll get
that day. F*ck "Superman"--watch the 4th season of "The Wire" if you
want to see the reality that some of these kids come from--and when
they get to school, they're supposed to be thinking about slope of a
line?
really real
Jul 23, 2012, 9:30:07 PM7/23/12
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>
> When you look at the "helpers"--like Rhee, and the charter school
> entrepreneurs (Murdoch's got a MAJOR investment in online learning,
> for one)--that's understandable.
> One of the most useful lessons I ever taught was to slap some peanut
> butter on bread and fold it over and have that for a morning meal--to
> tide a kid over until his free lunch, the only good meal he'll get
> that day. F*ck "Superman"--watch the 4th season of "The Wire" if you
> want to see the reality that some of these kids come from--and when
> they get to school, they're supposed to be thinking about slope of a
> line?
>
really real
Jul 24, 2012, 9:36:47 AM7/24/12
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Okay, I watched the movie last night, and it was more manipulative and
trashier than I thought it would be.
The movie starts with the premise that public schools in America are all
to be avoided. The reason seems to be that some schools are worse than
others.
Admittedly, America does have low education rates compared to other
countries. But America also has worse poverty rates than these
countries, worse infrastructure, worse crime rates etc etc.
The movie claims that the old concept that bad neighbourhoods create bad
schools is wrong, and that it's the bad schools that are creating bad
neighbourhoods. This is absurd.
It shows that when charter schools open up that spend more time on basic
subjects, and have school on Saturday, the motivated students who flock
to these schools do better. What a surprise.
And when the Superintendent in D.C. tried to get the public schools to
have longer hours, the teachers' union objected. Did she offer more pay
for working longer hours or for working an extra day?
The most telling scene for me was the principal complaining about the
process to fire a bad teacher, involving three reports, weekly help for
the teacher, and timelines. "Why are there timelines," he asked, as if
it were a union plot to keep bad teachers.
The timelines are there to stop a principal from writing three bad
reports in three days, or dragging the process out so that a bad report
can remain effective for ten years. And it's true that if the timelines
aren't followed, the principal has to do the process again. This is the
same principal that causes courts to dismiss charges against guilty
people because the police don't follow procedure. There's no way around
it to keep the system fair.
I taught in a school that had a bad teacher, and the principal set out
to fire him but missed the timelines by a few days. I would have fired
the principal( meaning send him back to classroom as a teacher.) The
movie gave a statistic about how few teachers get fired. If that is
true, then it strikes me that there are a lot of principals who should
get fired.
That rubber room where teachers sit and wait years for their hearings
really rankled some viewers. But you can't take a person's wages away
until they are found guilty. It's very easy for a student to claim abuse
against a teacher. Why does the process take so long? I'd fire the
governor for not funding this process properly.
I think this movie really did a disservice to public education in
America. Of course some schools are better than others, and some
teachers are better than others. But you can't pay teachers extra for
productivity. Teachers aren't coal miners, and student learning can't be
summed up in standardized test scores.
The movie seems to be calling for a system where teachers can be fired
at will. This would make teachers become parrots of the principals
whims. Most of those principals were physical education teachers.
One of the narrators talked about how it took him three years to become
a good teacher. The movie seems to be asking for a system that would
have fired this teacher before those three years.
And the movie also makes going to college the panacea that is going to
save America and its students. But look at all the college educated
unemployed today. You've got to have more than decent test scores to
figure out how to live your life in today's economy. And don't forget,
America has to compete with countries that teach evolution.
One of the narrators talked about how
trashier than I thought it would be.
The movie starts with the premise that public schools in America are all
to be avoided. The reason seems to be that some schools are worse than
others.
Admittedly, America does have low education rates compared to other
countries. But America also has worse poverty rates than these
countries, worse infrastructure, worse crime rates etc etc.
The movie claims that the old concept that bad neighbourhoods create bad
schools is wrong, and that it's the bad schools that are creating bad
neighbourhoods. This is absurd.
It shows that when charter schools open up that spend more time on basic
subjects, and have school on Saturday, the motivated students who flock
to these schools do better. What a surprise.
And when the Superintendent in D.C. tried to get the public schools to
have longer hours, the teachers' union objected. Did she offer more pay
for working longer hours or for working an extra day?
The most telling scene for me was the principal complaining about the
process to fire a bad teacher, involving three reports, weekly help for
the teacher, and timelines. "Why are there timelines," he asked, as if
it were a union plot to keep bad teachers.
The timelines are there to stop a principal from writing three bad
reports in three days, or dragging the process out so that a bad report
can remain effective for ten years. And it's true that if the timelines
aren't followed, the principal has to do the process again. This is the
same principal that causes courts to dismiss charges against guilty
people because the police don't follow procedure. There's no way around
it to keep the system fair.
I taught in a school that had a bad teacher, and the principal set out
to fire him but missed the timelines by a few days. I would have fired
the principal( meaning send him back to classroom as a teacher.) The
movie gave a statistic about how few teachers get fired. If that is
true, then it strikes me that there are a lot of principals who should
get fired.
That rubber room where teachers sit and wait years for their hearings
really rankled some viewers. But you can't take a person's wages away
until they are found guilty. It's very easy for a student to claim abuse
against a teacher. Why does the process take so long? I'd fire the
governor for not funding this process properly.
I think this movie really did a disservice to public education in
America. Of course some schools are better than others, and some
teachers are better than others. But you can't pay teachers extra for
productivity. Teachers aren't coal miners, and student learning can't be
summed up in standardized test scores.
The movie seems to be calling for a system where teachers can be fired
at will. This would make teachers become parrots of the principals
whims. Most of those principals were physical education teachers.
One of the narrators talked about how it took him three years to become
a good teacher. The movie seems to be asking for a system that would
have fired this teacher before those three years.
And the movie also makes going to college the panacea that is going to
save America and its students. But look at all the college educated
unemployed today. You've got to have more than decent test scores to
figure out how to live your life in today's economy. And don't forget,
America has to compete with countries that teach evolution.
One of the narrators talked about how
Lil Abner
Jul 24, 2012, 12:47:42 PM7/24/12
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case. It was a favorite blame for the loss of jobs in this Country to
the Global sacrifice of America for the wealth of the bunch.
Just don't believe anything a politician tells you in Washington and
very little of what you hear in the media. It all about change for one
side or the other and special interest groups.
tomcervo
Jul 24, 2012, 3:31:01 PM7/24/12
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in your life, with a steadicam, so your opinion is worthless.
Was the DC supe Rhee? She tells an amusing story about masking-taping
her third grade kid's mouths shut because they couldn't pass quietly
in the hall. She went into administration shortly after that. I wonder
if she counts herself among those incompetent teachers who found
another line of work?
I do know most districts around here would have had her on unpaid
suspension that morning, and extra security in the building until she
was out of it to restrain the parents looking to flatten her.
Steve Daniels
Jul 24, 2012, 9:21:32 PM7/24/12
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:30:07 -0700, against all advice, something
compelled really real <reall...@shaw.ca>, to say:
You can feed a kid a peanut if it's wearing a helmet.
compelled really real <reall...@shaw.ca>, to say:
Seth
Jul 25, 2012, 8:17:02 PM7/25/12
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In article <afiu081b83ct73obo...@4ax.com>,
Seth
Steve Daniels <sdan...@gorge.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:30:07 -0700, against all advice, something
>compelled really real <reall...@shaw.ca>, to say:
>On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:30:07 -0700, against all advice, something
>compelled really real <reall...@shaw.ca>, to say:
>>You'd feed a kid peanuts!!???! Kids nowadays are allergic to peanuts
>
>You can feed a kid a peanut if it's wearing a helmet.
The kid or the peanut?
>
>You can feed a kid a peanut if it's wearing a helmet.
Seth
Steve Daniels
Jul 26, 2012, 2:29:21 PM7/26/12
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 00:17:02 +0000 (UTC), against all advice,
something compelled se...@panix.com (Seth), to say:
The kid, especially if the helmet is made of peanuts.
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something compelled se...@panix.com (Seth), to say:
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