Emma Beck 31, Artist, Abortion Victim
Magnus
a woman's "right to lose," which in some cases means, lose her life.
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From the London Telegraph
Artist hanged herself after aborting her twins
Last Updated: 2:03am GMT 22/02/2008
An artist killed herself after aborting her twins when she was eight
weeks pregnant, leaving a note saying: "I should never have had an
abortion. I see now I would have been a good mum."
Emma Beck was found hanging at her home in Helston, Cornwall, on Feb 1
2007. She was declared dead early the following day - her 31st
birthday.
Her suicide note read: "I told everyone I didn't want to do it, even
at the hospital. I was frightened, now it is too late. I died when my
babies died. I want to be with my babies: they need me, no-one else
does."
The inquest at Truro City Hall heard that Miss Beck had split up with
her boyfriend, referred to as "Ben" after he "reacted badly" to the
pregnancy.
She saw her GP before the termination, but missed an appointment at a
hospital in Penzance. She then cancelled, but later turned up to an
appointment at a clinic at Royal Cornwall Hospital in Treliske. The
counsellor was on holiday so a doctor referred Miss Beck to a
pregnancy counselling telephone service eight days before carrying out
the abortion when she was eight weeks pregnant, the inquest heard.
The coroner, Dr Emma Carlyon, ordered that the identities of the
doctor who performed the abortion and her lead consultant be kept
secret.
The inquest heard that Sylvia Beck, the victim's mother, wrote to the
hospital after her daughter's death, saying: "I want to know why she
was not given the opportunity to see a counsellor.
"She was only going ahead with the abortion because her boyfriend did
not want the twins.
"I believe this is what led Emma to take her own life - she could not
live with what she had done."
The doctor said: "I discussed Emma's situation with her, and wrote on
the form, 'Unsupported, lives alone, ex-partner aware'.
"It is normal practice to give a woman the number for telephone
counselling when a counsellor is not available.
"I am satisfied that everything was done to make sure that Emma
consented to the operation.
She added: "We have since appointed more counsellors so there is more
holiday cover."
Katie Gibbs, Miss Beck's GP, told the hearing: "She was extremely
distressed by the abortion procedure, and I didn't think she ever came
to terms with it.
"She had a long history of anxiety and depression. Despite my best
efforts, she was not willing to see a counsellor after the
termination."
Her boss at the clinic, said: "The time that can be given to a woman
by a counsellor is limited in a busy hospital.
"I am satisfied everything was done to make sure Emma was consenting
to surgery. I don't feel there was any gap in the counselling service.
"There were lots of individuals who would be alert to any doubts. The
comments made by Emma's mother are not about a doctor I recognise."
Mrs Beck told the court: "Emma was considered a talented artist, and
sold a number of paintings.
"She was pleased when she became pregnant, but Ben reacted badly to
the news."
Recording a verdict of suicide, Dr Carlyon said: "It is clear that a
termination can have a profound effect on a woman's life.
"But I am reassured by the evidence of the doctors here."
Charlene
La N
"Charlene" <charlene...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Edited that headline for you to reflect the truth.
>
Thank you, Charlene. I was tempted to do so myself, but I don't have as
good a way with words as you.
- nilita
Chris
"Charlene" <charlene...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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refer to in your headline ? Am I missing something here ? Did my
newserver drop some paragraphs ??
It seems the woman had some pre-pregnancy depresssion and having the
boyfriend bail on her would
certainly intensify her depression , but where is the information about
the "wackos" victimizing her ?
Laurie Mann
> Edited that headline for you to reflect the truth.
Charlene, while I suspect you are correct, she sounded like she was
extremely depressed. So I'd call it another death due to serotonin;
it may have had nothing to do with the anti-abortion nutcases.
Laurie
Brian
>Ummm I read the whole article twice and I don't see in there what you
>refer to in your headline ? Am I missing something here ? Did my
>newserver drop some paragraphs ??
> It seems the woman had some pre-pregnancy depresssion and having the
>boyfriend bail on her would
>certainly intensify her depression , but where is the information about
>the "wackos" victimizing her ?
>
Probably because it doesn't exist. Actually if she had gone to some of
those "anti-abortion ultra-extremist wackos" she would have gotten
help and understanding instead of what she got which was no help from
those "kind and understanding" pro-abortionists.
Years ago, before there was a real pro-life movement, I had a friend
who had had an abortion in NY which was one of the states that allowed
abortion before Roe vs. Wade. She told how the baby was born alive and
of hearing it cry as it was taken down the hall to be destroyed.
clinton...@gmail.com
Abortion may or may not be sinful, but you sir are using pain and
suffering to further your internet spat.
You are worse than Hitler.
Bill Schenley
> > > Maybe a woman's so-called "right to choose" really
> > > ought to be called a woman's "right to lose," which
> > > in some cases means, lose her life.
She didn't die from an abortion, Bob. "She had a long history of anxiety
and depression."
Chris wrote:
> > Ummm I read the whole article twice and I don't
> > see in there what you refer to in your headline?
> > Am I missing something here ? Did my newserver
> > drop some paragraphs?? It seems the woman had
> > some pre-pregnancy depresssion and having the
> > boyfriend bail on her would certainly intensify her
> > depression, but where is the information about
> > the "wackos" victimizing her ?
<Ya' know, Chris, I closed the gaps in your post, not to alter it, but keep
Louis from becoming even more unhinged. White Space, and all that ...>
Brian wrote:
> Probably because it doesn't exist.
You're right. It doesn't exist. However, there is nothing in the news
story that says she was a "abortion victim," either. I believe her death
was caused by hanging. *Not* by abortion, as Bob would have others believe.
> Actually if she had gone to some of those "anti-abortion
> ultra-extremist wackos" she would have gotten help and
> understanding instead of what she got which was no help
> from those "kind and understanding" pro-abortionists.
There is also nothing in the news story that says she would have "gotten
help and understanding" from the "anti-abortion ultra-extremist wackos."
I don't know of many abortion counselors who prop up termination as the only
option to an un-wanted pregnancy.
Bob Feigel
<robertc...@yahoo.com> magnanimously proffered:
>Maybe a woman's so-called "right to choose" really ought to be called
>a woman's "right to lose," which in some cases means, lose her life.
Unless I missed something vital in the article, Emma Beck didn't "lose
her life" she chose to take it. As tragic as that is, to blame it all
on her decision to have an abortion is patently dishonest and reeks of
using her unfortunate death to push your own agenda.
--
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teleflora
"Brian" <drmorri...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> Years ago, before there was a real pro-life movement, I had a friend
> who had had an abortion in NY which was one of the states that allowed
> abortion before Roe vs. Wade. She told how the baby was born alive and
> of hearing it cry as it was taken down the hall to be destroyed.
>
Sorry. Never happened. Your "friend" was either lying or hallucinating.
Lee
Stacia
> Years ago, before there was a real pro-life movement, I had a friend
> who had had an abortion in NY which was one of the states that allowed
> abortion before Roe vs. Wade. She told how the baby was born alive and
> of hearing it cry as it was taken down the hall to be destroyed.
I don't believe that's even possible. The type of abortion you're
talking about seems to be the IDX, but the fetus is not removed
entirely intact (i.e. the brain is removed). Looking online, the only
places that even mention this type of abortion are the extremist
"right to life" organizations, none of which have any actual proof.
Just stories about babies being born normally and left to die in some
corner of a hospital... and, silly me, I'm skeptical that this ever
happened.
Stacia
Sysyphus' Sister
Kenny McCormack
Bob Feigel <b...@surfwriter.net.not> wrote:
>On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:20:31 -0800 (PST), Magnus
><robertc...@yahoo.com> magnanimously proffered:
>
>>Maybe a woman's so-called "right to choose" really ought to be called
>>a woman's "right to lose," which in some cases means, lose her life.
>
>Unless I missed something vital in the article, Emma Beck didn't "lose
>her life" she chose to take it. As tragic as that is, to blame it all
>on her decision to have an abortion is patently dishonest and reeks of
>using her unfortunate death to push your own agenda.
Gee. Ya think?
Gosh - dishonesty from the "pro-life" crowd? What's next? Dishonest
politicians? Dishonest lawyers?
My faith in humanity?
Kenny McCormack
~M~
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www.tellingstories.org/
www.adl.org/children_holocaust/children_main1.asp
www.holocaustforgotten.com/
Please visit a few of these sites, then come back and explain to us
all how the OP is worse than Hitler. As far as I can tell, the OP has
used a tragic situation to promote his agenda, much like gun control
advocates do. Hitler, on the other hand...
--
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find easier ways to do something."
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abby for now
"Stacia" <glitte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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About 7 years ago, I talked to a lady who was an abortion clinic nurse.
She was laughing about how sometimes the aborted fetus would wiggle
around on the table for a good length of time.
Of course wiggling is not crying, but it's still a disturbing thought.
Kris Baker
"abby for now" <FOREVERnowab...@yeehaw.com> wrote in message
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Was she REALLY an abortion clinic nurse....or someone who
should have been summarily reported and fired. No one laughs
about that...but there's a hell of a lot of "pro-lifers" going around
with stories like that.
Kris
abby for now
"Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "abby for now" <FOREVERnowab...@yeehaw.com> wrote in message
> news:47c1ada8$0$21223$8826...@alt.teranews.com...
>> About 7 years ago, I talked to a lady who was an abortion clinic
>> nurse. She was laughing about how sometimes the aborted fetus would
>> wiggle around on the table for a good length of time.
>>
>> Of course wiggling is not crying, but it's still a disturbing
>> thought.
> Was she REALLY an abortion clinic nurse....or someone who
> should have been summarily reported and fired. No one laughs
> about that...but there's a hell of a lot of "pro-lifers" going around
> with stories like that.
She was my sister-in-law's good friend and she told it while standing in
my sil's kitchen. Both women were pro-choice, so I can't imagine it
being told as a horror antecdote.
Neither one had any idea where I stand on the abortion rights issue
(they still don't know).
Brian
<Sysyphu...@privacy.com> wrote:
>Not to be believed.
She had no reason to lie and seemed otherwise normal. But since it
doesn't fit with your views apparently it must be a lie.
Louis Epstein
Perhaps more to the point...she regretted being pushed into an abortion;
but would the suicide of a woman who regretted being pushed OUT of an
abortion,leaving her unwanted children unparented,attract any notice
from the anti-abortion zealots?
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Brian
<glitte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't believe that's even possible. The type of abortion you're
>talking about seems to be the IDX, but the fetus is not removed
>entirely intact (i.e. the brain is removed). Looking online, the only
>places that even mention this type of abortion are the extremist
>"right to life" organizations, none of which have any actual proof.
>Just stories about babies being born normally and left to die in some
>corner of a hospital... and, silly me, I'm skeptical that this ever
>happened.
>
>Stacia
She didn't describe the procedure. As I said, she seemed reliable and,
if I remember correctly since I am referring to the pre Roe vs. Wade
time, even after this was not against legalized abortion.
Senior.D...@gmail.com
> "Brian" <drmorrisnos...@comcast.net> wrote in message
Lee,
It does happen. There are documented cases all over the place. Read
these:
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2006-10-26/news/in-the-bag/full