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Saying Goodbye to John McLaughlin, TV’s Original Tough Political Talker

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Ubiquitous

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Aug 17, 2016, 10:10:59 AM8/17/16
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A panelist remembers the political priest turned talk-show host who
brought strong opinions to Sunday mornings.

If there were a Mount Olympus for talk-show hosts, John McLaughlin
would be on it. He was the first to recognize the value of combative
political talk on television when he launched the McLaughlin Group
in the early ’80s. After 34 years of never missing a show, his
moderator’s chair was empty last Sunday, and long-serving panelist
Pat Buchanan opened the show.

An opening statement said John was “under the weather,” but we all
knew it was more than that. He passed away peacefully early Tuesday
morning at home with hospice care, and under the watchful care of
Maritza, his partner, who helped him carry on until almost the end.

In an email today, she said he went to join his beloved Oliver in
heaven. Oliver was the basset hound by his side back in the Nixon
years, who his production company is named after.

McLaughlin was 89 years old, and the cause of death was prostate
cancer that was diagnosed some time ago and that had spread. The
last show he presided over was taped the Friday after the Republican
Convention, and it was clear to viewers that his health was
declining.

We panelists could see he wasn’t well, but I attributed it to “just”
age. Not that aging is insignificant, but John did not disclose that
he was ill, and we didn’t dwell on it.

I went to see him at home and I told him, “John, you made me who I
am before I knew who I was.” That made him smile. The Friday before
he died, with the help of Maritza, he painstakingly narrated the
show’s final issue on what Pope Francis had said recently about
elevating women in the Roman Catholic Church.

John was hard to understand and there were captions added so viewers
could follow his words, but the will to go on with the show he had
created never wavered.

Not everyone realized it, but John was a former Jesuit priest.
During the Vietnam years, he ran for the U.S. Senate from his native
Rhode Island as an anti-war priest on the Republican ticket. He
didn’t win; he got 36 percent of the vote against the Democrat, John
Pastore for trivia buffs.

He went on to work for the Nixon campaign and then the Nixon White
House, which is where he met Pat Buchanan. They were comrades in
arms, spouting Latin and church dogma and trading political stories
that a neophyte like me found fascinating both on the set and off.
They referred to President Nixon as “the old man.”

John was one of the old man’s last defenders, along with Rabbi
Korff, and when I came to Washington in December of 1976, having
covered Jimmy Carter’s presidential campaign, I knew John as “that
crazy right-wing priest” who hosted a radio show where he and his
guests really let loose.

Turns out he was on to something, and the McLaughlin Group followed
soon after. I wasn’t part of the original cast, but in 1983, as a
reporter in Washington for Newsweek, he summoned me to his then
office on K Street and peppered me with a series of questions. I
remember two of them: What did I think about Barney Clark’s heart
transplant? He was the first recipient of an artificial heart, and
he died after 112 days. There was a debate over the ethics of how
much it cost and whether it was worth it.

The second question was about arms to Taiwan. What was my position
on that? I looked at John, dumbfounded, and said, I’m a reporter, I
don’t have strong opinions.

“You want to be on my show, you better get some strong opinions,” he
said. That turned out to be really easy. I was seated across from
Buchanan, the original culture warrior, and next to Bob Novak, the
conservative columnist with a permanent scowl known as the “Prince
of Darkness.”

You couldn’t find better character actors, and I would be remiss if
I didn’t mention Jack Germond, one of the original panelists who for
years was every viewer’s favorite for his grumpy insights and his
defiantly liberal positions.

John, with his imposing stature and his booming voice of God, was of
course the larger-than-life figure that dominated the show. He
created such a high-octane atmosphere that there was no time for
hemming and hawing, or for pretending to be fairer than you felt.
You had to blurt out what you actually thought before you got cut
off.

As one of the few women in the early years to appear regularly as a
panelist, I got cut off more than the men. But I held my own, which
is what other women would often tell me, and that will be the title
of the memoir I plan to write some day.

I told John when I saw him the week before he died that he made me
seem a lot fiercer than I am. My late husband, Tom Brazaitis, who
was also a journalist, used to joke that he helped me prep for the
show by shouting “Wrong!” over and over. Tom said the show was like
a men’s locker room with the guys towel-snapping while they one-
upped each other.

It was a game, but it was also serious. Every issue was deeply
researched, and John relished weightier issues like NATO
enlargement, making us eat our vegetables before we would get to the
easy headlines. The show was memorialized on Saturday Night Live
back in the day with Dana Carvey playing John, and John later
playing himself.

We will miss his signature phrases, beginning with Issue One, and
ending with Bye-Bye. And we will miss the man, who was always a
blast to be around. John was an original, and while there are many
imitators, he will never be overtaken. He got there first, and he
created something that in its own way is as iconic as The
Honeymooners with Jackie Gleason, a comparison I know John would
love.

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Diner

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Aug 17, 2016, 11:10:04 AM8/17/16
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On Wednesday, August 17, 2016 at 10:10:59 AM UTC-4, Ubiquitous wrote:
> A panelist remembers the political priest turned talk-show host who
> brought strong opinions to Sunday mornings.
>


Since the original poster did not tell us: This is a piece by Eleanor Clift for The Daily Beast.
© 2016 The Daily Beast Company LLC

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/16/saying-goodbye-to-john-mclaughlin-tv-s-original-tough-political-talker.html

tr...@iwvisp.com

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Aug 17, 2016, 1:41:55 PM8/17/16
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Nice piece. I assumed it was Clift as I was reading it but thanks for the confirmation. I watched on and off for decades, more off than on due to the incessant crosstalk; and Buchanan. I mostly enjoyed McLaughlin, Novak, and Germond; felt sorry for Eleanor, but I couldn't stand Buchanan.

Ray Arthur

Captain Bob

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Aug 17, 2016, 2:59:35 PM8/17/16
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In article <np1r9g$rus$1...@dont-email.me>, Ubiquitous
<web...@polaris.net> wrote:

> A panelist remembers the political priest turned talk-show host who
> brought strong opinions to Sunday mornings.

This was really good, but you needed to include the byline because it
was so personal. The piece was by longtime McLaughlin panelist Eleanor
Clift, who was writing for The Daily Beast.

cathyc...@aol.com

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Aug 17, 2016, 3:00:53 PM8/17/16
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Nice remembrance even if Eleanor Rodham Clift is dumber than a rock and as humorless as Chris Matthews.

J.D. Baldwin

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Aug 17, 2016, 3:02:02 PM8/17/16
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In the previous article, <cathyc...@aol.com> wrote:
> Nice remembrance even if Eleanor Rodham Clift is dumber than a rock
> and as humorless as Chris Matthews.

You should watch out Chris Matthews doesn't sue you for defamation.

Also, turns out that when Clift doesn't have an editor holding her
hand, she can't write for shit.
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cathyc...@aol.com

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Aug 17, 2016, 3:47:25 PM8/17/16
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Clift is a real piece of work and the best part of that show was McLaughlin yelling at her.

Matthews is in a class of stupid all by himself. On his vapid program last night he referred to the Potsdam Conference, held after VE Day and attended by Churchill, Stalin and Roosevelt. Anyone with a 3rd grade education knows that Roosevelt died months before Potsdam and that Churchill was there for mere hours and was replaced by Attlee.

But we're talking Matthews, King of the idiots at msnbc.

David Carson

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Aug 17, 2016, 5:12:12 PM8/17/16
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>Not everyone realized it, but John was a former Jesuit priest.

I feel like the world has been trying to bore that tidbit into my skull
over the past 24 hours.

David Carson
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Bermuda999

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Aug 17, 2016, 6:10:00 PM8/17/16
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Will the Mahavishnu Orchestra continue on?

FPP

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Aug 17, 2016, 6:15:56 PM8/17/16
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John McLaughlin was an all around nice guy, with one of the sharpest
wits I've ever witnessed.

He was wickedly funny, and I hardly ever agreed with his politics, but
he was a joy to behold.

One stare, and he put you in your place, but he was never mean or petty
about it.
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trotsky

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Aug 18, 2016, 7:56:30 AM8/18/16
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On 8/17/16 5:15 PM, FPP wrote:
> On 2016-08-17 14:59:28 -0400, Captain Bob <ah...@matey.com.invalid> said:
>
>> In article <np1r9g$rus$1...@dont-email.me>, Ubiquitous
>> <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>>
>>> A panelist remembers the political priest turned talk-show host who
>>> brought strong opinions to Sunday mornings.
>>
>> This was really good, but you needed to include the byline because it
>> was so personal. The piece was by longtime McLaughlin panelist Eleanor
>> Clift, who was writing for The Daily Beast.
>
> John McLaughlin was an all around nice guy, with one of the sharpest
> wits I've ever witnessed.
>
> He was wickedly funny, and I hardly ever agreed with his politics, but
> he was a joy to behold.


Compare and contrast that to a Rush Limbaugh.

FPP

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Aug 18, 2016, 8:12:48 AM8/18/16
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There *IS* no comparison, whatsoever.

Mclaughlin was funny as well as conservative. He was a priest, but not
above telling a slightly off-color joke. He liked to argue about
politics, but he wasn't nasty about it - and he didn't make things up.

He was the perfect example of the term "Devil's Advocate". That's one
less decent conservative... and there aren't many left. He actually
had both Chris Matthews AND Lawrence O'Donnell on his panels, with
O'Donnell being a regular member of the Group.

Limbaugh, by contrast, is a bloated, bloodsucking tick that feeds off
his willing hosts.
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George M. Middius

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Aug 18, 2016, 9:31:28 AM8/18/16
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FPP wrote:

> Limbaugh, by contrast, is a bloated, bloodsucking tick that feeds off
> his willing hosts.

I saw the first 5 minutes of Blimpo's call-in show once. The first
call was from a shill who lavished fake praise on him, including
asking "Don't you ever get tired of being right all the time?" It was
pathetic.


cathyc...@aol.com

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Aug 18, 2016, 9:46:20 AM8/18/16
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Can't stand Limbaugh but Lawrence O'Donnell and Chris Matthews make him look like Edward R. Murrow. Matthews is a total buffoon who asks guests questions and then answers for them. O'Donnell is a pretentious snob who comes across as thinking he's superior to every other creature on earth.

That Derek

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Aug 18, 2016, 10:43:24 AM8/18/16
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Nice tribute, Ms. Clift.

"Eleanor, gee I think you're swell-eanor!"
--Dana Carvey as John McLaughlin (SNL, circa 1988)

trotsky

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Aug 18, 2016, 12:27:33 PM8/18/16
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That's what a mean. There was a time not so long ago where there were
some right wing figures that had quite a bit of credibility. Now there
are none, and the entire right wing looks brain dead with the nomination
of Trump.

cathyc...@aol.com

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Aug 18, 2016, 1:07:23 PM8/18/16
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Not the entire right wing, not by a long shot. A fringe element.

tr...@iwvisp.com

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Aug 18, 2016, 1:15:59 PM8/18/16
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On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 10:07:23 AM UTC-7, cathyc...@aol.com wrote:
> Not the entire right wing, not by a long shot. A fringe element.

Approximately 30% of the R congress members are anti R establishment, elected in 2010, 12, and 14. That's no longer a "fringe." The Tea Party tail is not only wagging but beating the mainstream R dog. What started out as a grass roots effort was intitally co-opted by former Congressman Dick Army, then by the Koch Bros., et al. They have all lost control of their experiment, think Dr. Frankenstein, and the result is Trump.

As a Democrat, I couldn't be more pleased!

Ray Arthur

cathyc...@aol.com

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Aug 18, 2016, 1:23:20 PM8/18/16
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That's a pile of shit and you know it. But you're too partisan. As an American, you should bemoan it. But you're a Democrat and love a one party state, not much of an American.

The 30% is still lower than the 45% of the crazy Bernie left that caused HRC to twist herself into one of them.

tr...@iwvisp.com

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Aug 18, 2016, 1:45:37 PM8/18/16
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On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 10:23:20 AM UTC-7, cathyc...@aol.com wrote:
> That's a pile of shit and you know it. But you're too partisan. As an American, you should bemoan it. But you're a Democrat and love a one party state, not much of an American.
>
> The 30% is still lower than the 45% of the crazy Bernie left that caused HRC to twist herself into one of them.



How can it be a pile of shit when it's obvious what the current state of the party is and why? But if ANYONE is an expert of piles of shit, it's you.

I don't bemoan it for several reasons:

1) The GOP should have righted (no pun intended) itself years ago. This fiasco will force it to make the correction or dissolve. Either is better than its current status.

2) With a smarter, stronger GOP or even a cleaner more conservative party to take its place, the two party system will be better than it is now.

3) From the Clinton era through today the Democratic party has inched in many ways to what the Republican party was in the 1950's. While that's not a totally bad thing, having Crazy Bernie pull the party kicking and screaming a little too the left will be good for the party and the country.

When Reagan was elected the Rs thought they got a Social Conservative. They got a credit card spending warmonger who helped to end the cold war and nearly bankrupt the country in doing so.

When Obama was elected the Ds thought they got Bernie. They got Clinton without the perversion.

Ray

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On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:45:35 -0700 (PDT), "tr...@iwvisp.com"
<tr...@iwvisp.com> wrote:

>When Obama was elected the Ds thought they got Bernie. They got Clinton without the perversion.

Clinton, with all his flaws, didn't hate America and all it stands for.

Kenny McCormack

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Aug 18, 2016, 3:45:20 PM8/18/16
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In article <np52dq$5kd$1...@dont-email.me>,
Like The Donald does.

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clairbear

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Aug 18, 2016, 4:07:58 PM8/18/16
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George M. Middius <korb...@ten.stacmoc> wrote in
news:52ebrb5klmsukrqec...@4ax.com:
Well if you don't like this Blimpo persom why were you watching?
Why not tune that out and go back to watching something you believe in like
Ancient Aliens

clairbear

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Aug 18, 2016, 4:13:00 PM8/18/16
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trotsky <gms...@email.com> wrote in news:Tlltz.142$KT...@fx18.iad:
The right wing of the GOP did not nominaye It was all his Apprentice fans
Unfortunately both parties nominees' seem like a practical joke on the
American people Just about anybody body but Trump would be crushing her in
the polls Were it not for the fix being Bernie may well have beat her

trotsky

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Aug 18, 2016, 5:10:49 PM8/18/16
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On 8/18/16 3:07 PM, clairbear wrote:
> George M. Middius <korb...@ten.stacmoc> wrote in
> news:52ebrb5klmsukrqec...@4ax.com:
>
>>
>>
>> FPP wrote:
>>
>>> Limbaugh, by contrast, is a bloated, bloodsucking tick that feeds off
>>> his willing hosts.
>>
>> I saw the first 5 minutes of Blimpo's call-in show once. The first
>> call was from a shill who lavished fake praise on him, including
>> asking "Don't you ever get tired of being right all the time?" It was
>> pathetic.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Well if you don't like this Blimpo persom why were you watching?


Blimpo is on the radio, brainbear.

FPP

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Aug 18, 2016, 5:35:28 PM8/18/16
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Oh, they're still there... they're just playing to the crowd. They
give them what they want to hear... but that only gets you so far - and
Trump is the logical conclusion to that little morality play.

After you've sold your soul, eventually the bill comes due. Say...
that makes a great bumper sticker!

TRUMP 2016
"It's time to pay up."

clairbear

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Aug 18, 2016, 6:23:50 PM8/18/16
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trotsky <gms...@email.com> wrote in news:rvptz.6317$O14....@fx36.iad:
If you were one tenth as smart as you think you are you'd read what the
response was directed to
"I saw the first 5 minutes of Blimpo's call-in show once" - George M.
Middius <korb...@ten.stacmoc>
But then anyone who uses the name ommie who was assassinated for betraying
his leader has little if any credibility

trotsky

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Aug 19, 2016, 7:14:23 AM8/19/16
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This is what you wrote, brainbear:

> Well if you don't like this Blimpo persom why were you watching?

Since you are stupid, you probably don't realize it's hard to watch
people on the radio. Did I mention how stupid you are?

Alfalfa Bill

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Aug 19, 2016, 2:09:31 PM8/19/16
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Limbaugh had a syndicated half-hour television show from 1992 through 1996, produced by Roger Ailes.

clairbear

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Aug 19, 2016, 3:57:04 PM8/19/16
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trotsky <gms...@email.com> wrote in news:gSBtz.257$e%3....@fx07.iad:
> people on the radio. [ad hom deleted}
And you callother people names that easily apply to you
A review see if you can keep up this time, if not have you mommy explain
it to you little man
George Middius indicated he 'saw the first five minutes' So, when you
see something you find unwatchable best thing to do is not watch it
Now,if you have and further questions as to his watch this Blimpo person
ask him where he 'SAW' it. It's not that hard to follow unless you mind
is affected by a brain eating ameba. If that is why you can't follow
the entire thread then you need to seek help for your condition

As for you feckless blather it may be time to tune out your insipid
blather BUHBYE for now,fool

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