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Re: Whitney Houston: 'Rolling Stone' ranks her only 34th Greatest Singer of All Time

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Matthew Kruk

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"News" <m...@sb.net> wrote in message
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> Frank Sinatra doesn't even make it into the Top 100!
> How did 179 "experts" arrive at their rankings? Their needs to be a recount on
> many of the rankings!

Okay, off the sauce time. Go to bed.


Loki

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On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 05:51:15 -0600, "News" <m...@sb.net> wrote:

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>Frank Sinatra doesn't even make it into the Top 100!
>How did 179 "experts" arrive at their rankings? Their needs to be a recount
>on many of the rankings!
>
>http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-singers-of-all-time-19691231
>INTRODUCTION

This list includes Lou Reed and omits both Aaron Neville and Eva
Cassidy.

It is a bigger joke than Ron Paul.

Loki

Satan has nothing to do with anything related to religion.
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Gern Blanston

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> 34. WHITNEY HOUSTON
>
> 31. Howlin' Wolf


Didn't they both sound the same in later years?

piks11

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On Feb 12, 5:51 am, "News" <m...@sb.net> wrote:
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> http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-singers-of-all-t...
> INTRODUCTION
>
> Nov. 27, 2008 issue of 'Rolling Stone'
> A panel of 179 experts ranked the vocalists.
<snip all time list>


"Greatest Singers of All Time" might be better expressed "Greatest
Singers of our Lifetimes". As to the 179 experts' greatest singer of
all time pick I can only say I'm glad they didn't also give her the
Best Hat of All Time award.


R H Draney

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News filted:
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>Nov. 27, 2008 issue of 'Rolling Stone'
>A panel of 179 experts ranked the vocalists.

Bob Dylan, singer?...

BWAHAHAHAAA!!!....r


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Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.

Bill Schenley

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Feb 12, 2012, 3:41:19 PM2/12/12
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> > Nov. 27, 2008 issue of 'Rolling Stone'
> > A panel of 179 experts ranked the vocalists.

The Rolling Sone's lists of anything are as insignificant as the magazine,

> Bob Dylan, singer?...
>
> BWAHAHAHAAA!!!....r

Bob Dylan *is* a great singer. He doesn't have much of a voice, and he
doesn't always stay on key, but as a singer of *his* songs (and for the most
part, his songs are great), he is great. He conveys *his* music better than
anyone else. Still, I wouldn't put him near the top of a "Greatest Singers"
list.


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Michael OConnor

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Feb 12, 2012, 5:52:50 PM2/12/12
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I guess the two names I have the biggest problem with on the list, are
Robert Plant and Otis Redding. I was a DJ in Classic Rock radio for a
number of years, and have read extensively about rock history, but
I've never heard Robert Plant referred to as a great singer before. I
could never take his shrill voice. Of the hard rock/heavy metal
singers, I always felt Axl Rose was the best of the lot; he should
have been on this list instead of Robert Plant.

Otis Redding had one classic song that was recorded three days before
he died in a plane crash. There is just not the body of work that I
think should put him in the top ten. I would have replaced him with
Patsy Cline on the list.

Kris Baker

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Feb 12, 2012, 6:31:02 PM2/12/12
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"Michael OConnor" <mpoco...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I haven't seen the list, but it seems tipped towards the sentimental -
rather than the obvious inclusions.

You're right about Redding. Without that one song, he wouldn't have
been famous enough to be included....and dying young seems to
guarantee some placement.

Is Rick Nelson on the list? I think he'd also surpass Redding (but
not Cline).

Kris

Loki

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Feb 12, 2012, 9:12:55 PM2/12/12
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I will give you that when Dylan writes a great song, it is a tape
measure home run. However, for the most part his songs are not great.
For the most part they are indulgent and meander. I would give him a
batting average of about .200
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R H Draney

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Another great "singer of his songs" is completely missing from the posted list,
and he actually *was* a decent vocalist in addition to being a brilliant
songwriter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1n9QTkrkP0

If "great songwriter who happens to sing one's own songs" = "great singer", then
I demand the list be expanded to include Frank Zappa and Randy Newman....r

Loki

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Feb 12, 2012, 10:36:16 PM2/12/12
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On 12 Feb 2012 19:30:04 -0800, R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net>
wrote:

>Loki filted:
>>
>>On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:41:19 -0500, "Bill Schenley"
>><stra...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
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>>>> > Nov. 27, 2008 issue of 'Rolling Stone'
>>>> > A panel of 179 experts ranked the vocalists.
>>>
>>>The Rolling Sone's lists of anything are as insignificant as the magazine,
>>>
>>>> Bob Dylan, singer?...
>>>>
>>>> BWAHAHAHAAA!!!....r
>>>
>>>Bob Dylan *is* a great singer. He doesn't have much of a voice, and he
>>>doesn't always stay on key, but as a singer of *his* songs (and for the most
>>>part, his songs are great), he is great. He conveys *his* music better than
>>>anyone else. Still, I wouldn't put him near the top of a "Greatest Singers"
>>>list.
>>
>>I will give you that when Dylan writes a great song, it is a tape
>>measure home run. However, for the most part his songs are not great.
>>For the most part they are indulgent and meander. I would give him a
>>batting average of about .200
>
>Another great "singer of his songs" is completely missing from the posted list,
>and he actually *was* a decent vocalist in addition to being a brilliant
>songwriter:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1n9QTkrkP0

Bravo. Harry Nilsson was a wonderful singer.

>If "great songwriter who happens to sing one's own songs" = "great singer", then
>I demand the list be expanded to include Frank Zappa and Randy Newman....r

And Leonard Cohen. And John Prine.

Loki

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David Carson

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On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 08:08:26 -0800 (PST), piks11
<kleppers...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Feb 12, 5:51 am, "News" <m...@sb.net> wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-singers-of-all-t...
>> INTRODUCTION
>>
>> Nov. 27, 2008 issue of 'Rolling Stone'
>> A panel of 179 experts ranked the vocalists.
><snip all time list>
>
>
>"Greatest Singers of All Time" might be better expressed "Greatest
>Singers of our Lifetimes".

of English-language pop and pop crossover music.
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Matthew Kruk

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"silas" <silasc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> No Burton Cummings, Billie Holiday, Gerry Marsden, Frank Sinatra or
> Timi Yuro?
>
> Bunch of pandering clowns.
>
> And if it's "all time", where is Alan-a-Dale?

Rudy Vallee.


MWB

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Feb 13, 2012, 1:49:58 AM2/13/12
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Randy Newman isn't on the list because he hates short people...HE'S A TALL
BIGOT.


GO TO HELL NEWMAN


Mark

Hank

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Feb 13, 2012, 2:33:13 AM2/13/12
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In article <fj1_q.78209$2a.7...@en-nntp-14.dc1.easynews.com>,
Skinnay Ennis

rwalker

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Feb 13, 2012, 2:36:45 AM2/13/12
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Gil Tanner (and his Skillet Lickers)

R H Draney

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>Randy Newman isn't on the list because he hates short people...HE'S A TALL
>BIGOT.

If you really missed the point of that song that badly I can't wait to hear what
you think of this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nGw_vAnqPI

Carl Navarro

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Feb 13, 2012, 4:31:07 AM2/13/12
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Ya see, I always go to Rolling Stone when I want an authoratative
"greatest" list. NOT!

I do, however, have CKLW's all time top 300 hits generated in 1968 or
'69. I think Satisfaction was number 1. Now, at least that has some
reference point.

Carl, still waiting to see where Mario Lanza ranks.


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Loki

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On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:24:34 -0800 (PST), silas <silasc...@aol.com>
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>No Burton Cummings, Billie Holiday, Gerry Marsden, Frank Sinatra or
>Timi Yuro?
>
>Bunch of pandering clowns.
>
>And if it's "all time", where is Alan-a-Dale?

No Linda Ronstadt, no Minnie Ripperton, no Tony Bennet, as I mentioned
elsewhere no Aaron Neville, no Eva Cassidy, no John Denver, etc. etc.
etc.
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Loki

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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:28:19 -0800, Terry del Fuego
<t_del...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:03:55 -0600, "An Unemployed Eight-Year-Old
>Girl" <m...@sb.net> wrote:
>
>> Those idiots at The R.S. added so many obscure singers as "great," they
>>left out *real great* singers that people actually *heard from* for over a
>>decade, such as Nilsson and Grace Slick, not to mention NOT mentioning Frank
>>Sinatra as even at 100. Mary J. Blige [#100], my eye!
>
>You have absolutely nothing left to live for. We'll miss you, I
>guess. Sorta.

What's this "we"?

piks11

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On Feb 12, 1:36 pm, R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> News filted:
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> >Nov. 27, 2008 issue of 'Rolling Stone'
> >A panel of 179 experts ranked the vocalists.
>
> Bob Dylan, singer?...
>
> BWAHAHAHAAA!!!....r
>
> --

Could it have anything to do with the magazine being named "Rolling
Stone"?

But then there is Joe Cocker at # 97.

http://tinyurl.com/d3zfu9

Brigid Nelson

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On 02/13/2012 12:00 AM, R H Draney wrote:
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>>
>> Randy Newman isn't on the list because he hates short people...HE'S A TALL
>> BIGOT.
>
> If you really missed the point of that song that badly I can't wait to hear what
> you think of this one:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nGw_vAnqPI

Much depends upon where you were when you first heard it. In my case I
was in middle school being dragged down the hall by my hair, because I
was short.

brigid

Roy Arseburger

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On 2/13/2012 6:03 AM, News wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
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> Those idiots at The R.S. added so many obscure singers as "great," they
> left out *real great* singers

STFU, LIEberman. I'd bet the house you've never picked up an instrument
in your life. All you "know" about music is memorizing who was #1 and
when, like some stupid teenybopper counting down the bubblegum Top Ten
with Casey Kasem. Keep embarrassing yourself, asshole.

Oh, and nobody likes you. Nobody.

Carl Navarro

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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 07:31:35 -0600, "News" <m...@sb.net> wrote:

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>"Carl Navarro" <cnav...@wcnet.org> wrote in message
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> R.S. doesn't count Opera singers on its Rock 'n' Roll, Country,
>Reggae, Soul, and Motown list.
> LOL
Lanz did movies, so not the list becomes highly subjective. Minnie
Riperton had a 4 octave range, a one hit wonder, but still an
incredible voice. How is Whitney any better than her? So now, is
this list based on record sales? No, Sinatra is missing. On chart
posiions? Not likely, so it's pretty worthless.




R H Draney

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Cocker's a great singer...one of the names I trot out whenever anyone makes the
claim that no white Brit has any business singing the blues....

The other is Long John Baldry, who I see didn't make the list at all...was
surprised about a week ago to hear him playing on the in-store sound system at
Whole Earth Foods....r

Loki

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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:01:13 -0500, Carl Navarro <cnav...@wcnet.org>
wrote:
I would take Dean Martin over Sinatra in a heart beat, but that is
another conversation for another day. If you are basing your criteria
on singles, which you seem to be doing, Lou Reed has a God awful voice
and was a one hit wonder.
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studio

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On Feb 12, 6:51 am, "News" <m...@sb.net> wrote:
> http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-singers-of-all-t...
> INTRODUCTION
>
> Nov. 27, 2008 issue of 'Rolling Stone'
> A panel of 179 experts ranked the vocalists.

John Lennon at #5 ??? Paul McCartney ???
Hell I'm surprised Yoko Ono didn't make the list!

Bob Dylan, Johnny Cash, Little Richard, Roy Orbison, Ray Charles,
Prince...
Gimme a break.... these guys shouldn't even be in the top 1,000 best
singers, and there's probably a few others who shouldn't be on this
list either.

I give up; I don't even know wtf Howlin' Wolf is, but just the name
alone should disqualify him/her/it from being on the list.

No Jon Anderson??? ... amongst many others.

These kinds of lists are really more sentimental pop culture personal
preference non-sense than actual measures of singing range and
dynamics.

That said, Whitney was a better singer than most on this list.

rwalker

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On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:51:11 -0800 (PST), studio <tl...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Most of your post indicates that you have a very limited amount of
musical knowledge. In other words, you're an idiot.

~M~

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"Loki" wrote in message news:bu2ij75icqop9beec...@4ax.com...

>No Linda Ronstadt, no Minnie Ripperton, no Tony Bennet, as I mentioned
>elsewhere no Aaron Neville, no Eva Cassidy, no John Denver, etc. etc.
>etc.


All of them are fine, but none of them is a Toots Hibbert (71)


-- “Twenty-four hours in a day, twenty-four beers in a case. Coincidence?”
- Stephen Wright

~M~

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"News" wrote in message
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>Frank Sinatra doesn't even make it into the Top 100!
>How did 179 "experts" arrive at their rankings? Their needs to be a recount
>on many of the rankings!


I kept looking for Bieber, because he must be on there, until I realized
this list is from 2008.

The only reason Rolling Stone puts shit like this out is because it is an
easier way (for them) to draw attention to themselves than to produce
quality work.

R H Draney

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rwalker filted:
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>On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:51:11 -0800 (PST), studio <tl...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>I give up; I don't even know wtf Howlin' Wolf is, but just the name
>>alone should disqualify him/her/it from being on the list.
>>
>>No Jon Anderson??? ... amongst many others.
>
>Most of your post indicates that you have a very limited amount of
>musical knowledge. In other words, you're an idiot.

I had no idea who this Jon Anderson person was, so I checked YouTube...as near
as I can make out, studio spends a lot of time riding in elevators....r

Tommy Joe

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On Feb 17, 8:02 pm, rwalker <rwal...@despammed.com> wrote:
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> That said, Whitney was a better singer than most on this list.


> Most of your post indicates that you have a very limited amount of
> musical knowledge.  In other words, you're an idiot.


Forget the list. More important to me is why people the need to
jump into every list created. Anybody can write a list. And what
about the people who sang before recording existed? God, what a
stupid thing - the greatest of this, the greatest of that. In a world
of 6-plus billion people, it's hard to say who is the greatest at
anything, or if in fact there is any such thing to begin with. Sure,
you can say at a particular moment in time that a certain golfer was
the best of that time based on his domination and record-breaking
performances. But singing is more subjective. and surely in a world
with so many people, alive or dead, one would have to be an idiot to
take these lists seriously or to even care. I'm a selfish person.
For me, the greatest singers are the ones I like. I don't have to put
them on a list in any special order. Who's the greatest singer is as
stupid as arguing over the greatest color in the rainbow.

TJ
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R H Draney

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>
>
>Winners 1961 to 1966 of the Grammy for "Best Rock and[sic] Roll
>Recording" Source: grammy.com
>
>"Let's Twist Again" Chubby Checker
>"Alley Cat" Bent Fabric
>"Deep Purple" Nino Tempo and April Stevens
>"Downtown" Petula Clark
>"King of the Road" Roger Miller*
>"Winchester Cathedral" The New Vaudeville Band

I have one of those people poolside....

Billboard's number one song of the year for the same years, to compare what wins
awards against what people actually buy):

1961: "Tossin' and Turnin'" Bobby Lewis
("Let's Twist Again" was #94)

1962: "Stranger on the Shore" Mr Acker Bilk
("Alley Cat" was #37)

1963: "Sugar Shack" Jimmy Gilmer and the Fireballs
("Deep Purple" was #19)

1964: "I Want to Hold Your Hand" The Beatles
("Downtown" failed to make the top 100)

1965: "Wooly Bully" Sam the Sham and the Pharoahs
("King of the Road" was #12)

1966: "Ballad of the Green Berets" SSgt Barry Sadler
("Winchester Cathedral" was #18)

Yeah...the golden age of rock and roll....

>Petula Clark, whose UK recordings had been coming out since the
>1940's, and whose first US single was issued in 1953, was nominated
>for 1964's "Best New Artist."

Petula Clark, a British singer, recorded "Color My World" (with the American
spelling) in 1966 which peaked at #16...Chicago, an American group, recorded
"Colour My World" (with the British spelling) in 1971 which peaked at #7 as the
B-side of "Beginnings"....r

Bermuda999

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On Feb 20, 1:00 am, R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> silas filted:
>
>
>
> >Winners 1961 to 1966 of the Grammy for "Best Rock and[sic] Roll
> >Recording"           Source: grammy.com
>
> >"Let's Twist Again"       Chubby Checker
> >"Alley Cat"       Bent Fabric
> >"Deep Purple"       Nino Tempo and April Stevens
> >"Downtown"       Petula Clark
> >"King of the Road"       Roger Miller*
> >"Winchester Cathedral"       The New Vaudeville Band
>
> I have one of those people poolside....
>
> Billboard's number one song of the year for the same years, to compare what wins
> awards against what people actually buy):
...
> 1964: "I Want to Hold Your Hand"   The Beatles
>  ("Downtown" failed to make the top 100)

Right. It was released in November 1964 and went to #1 in the U.S. in
January 1965
It was the #6 Billboard song of 1965..

nancyj...@gmail.com

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LOL i think the funniest i that Christina Aguilera higher than Mariah Carey

Loki

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On Tue, 27 May 2014 01:39:51 -0700 (PDT), nancyj...@gmail.com
wrote:

>LOL i think the funniest i that Christina Aguilera higher than Mariah Carey

I have not seen the list, but based on the lists I have seen in RS
before, it is hard to take them seriously based on the high placement
of Bob Dylan. Yeah, Bob Dylan was a great writer and changed the
direction of music, but he never could sing. At his best he sounded
like an Woody Guthrie imitator.

That Derek

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The problem with Whitney Houston was that she tended to "over-sing" everything. Her A&R people tended to provide her with arrangements that showed everybody that she could hit the high notes. This got tiresome after a while.

Apropos of nothing, NYC radio personality Mark Simone, when speaking of 1964's "British Invasion," often cites what he calls the "Beverly Hills Invasion" of a year or two later which gave us the marginally talented Gary Lewis, the monotone stylings of Nancy Sinatra, and the short shelf-life of "Dino [Dean Paul Martin], Desi [Arnaz, Jr.] and Billy."

By no stretch of the imagination would Ms. Sinatra nor Mr. Lewis make such a list -- "Rolling Stone" or otherwise. But, hey, their 1960s hit recordings are fun and their vocalizations seemed to fit the material aptly.
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