DEAD "Saturday Night Live" cast members

[News]

Dead "Saturday Night Live" cast members

Performer Age Year of Death
(by descending age)


Tom Davis, 59 (2012)

Jan Hooks, 57 (2014)

Charles Rocket, 56 (2005)

Michael O'Donoghue, 54 (1994)

Phil Hartman, 49 (1998)

Gilda Radner, 42 (1989)

Danitra Vance, 40 (1994)

Chris Farley, 33 (1997)

John Belushi, 33 (1982)

[R H Draney]

News filted:

You left out:

Don Pardo, 96 (2014)

....r


--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.

[JohnnyDollar]

On 10/11/2014 7:03 AM, Terry del Fuego wrote:
> On 11 Oct 2014 00:59:25 -0700, R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net>

> wrote:
>
>> You left out:
>>
>> Don Pardo, 96 (2014)
>

> Maybe the subtlety and understatement actually made it "dignified",
> but I thought the "tribute" that appeared on this season's opener was
> nowhere near what he deserved. In fact, I'm sure many didn't even
> realize that's what it was. Roy Orbison, who appeared on one show,
> got better.
>
>
Because Roy Orbison had more talent. All the SNL people were fucked up
mentally or dopers.

[cathyc...@aol.com]

Don Pardo was a fucked up doper? You're a peach.

[marcus]

The list of those who died professionally is much longer.

[JohnnyDollar]

On 10/11/2014 12:06 PM, cathyc...@aol.com wrote:
> Don Pardo was a fucked up doper? You're a peach.
>

I'm really a butthead sometimes.

[News]

"R H Draney" <dado...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:m1ao0...@drn.newsguy.com...

He wasn't a cast member, remember?
He was the announcer.

[danny burstein]

In <BZKdnVqt2tTOBqfJ...@earthlink.com> "News" <m...@sb.net> writes:

>> You left out:
>>
>> Don Pardo, 96 (2014)

> He wasn't a cast member, remember?
> He was the announcer.

There was at leasst one episode where he appeared in person.
Probably more.

(I stopped routinely watching SNL about the same
time MTV stopped running music videos...)


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[News]

"marcus" <marc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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What does *that* mean in the context of SNL cast members who
have died?

[News]

"JohnnyDollar" <elv...@chalupa.mx> wrote in message
news:m1c0gi$lbp$1...@wieslauf.sub.de...

> On 10/11/2014 12:06 PM, cathyc...@aol.com wrote:
>> Don Pardo was a fucked up doper? You're a peach.

> I'm really a butthead sometimes.

You left out Beavis. :)

[marcus]

On Sunday, October 12, 2014 11:20:48 AM UTC-4, danny burstein wrote:

"I stopped routinely watching SNL about the same time MTV stopped running music videos."

MTV used to show videos?!?!

[marcus]

On Sunday, October 12, 2014 11:33:02 AM UTC-4, News wrote:

> "marcus" < wrote in message

> > The list of those who died professionally is much longer.
>
>
>
>
>
> What does *that* mean in the context of SNL cast members who
>
> have died?

Apparently, my joke didn't resonate with you.

Go Giants!!!

[That Derek]

>Tom Davis, 59 (2012)

>Michael O'Donoghue, 54 (1994)

It's great that Messrs. Davis and O'Donoghue are justifiably credited as being "SNL cast members." In most of the histories of the show, these two SNL writers and semi-regular performers are generally classified as being "supporting players."

However, I'd like to make the case that Michael O'Donoghue WAS a full-fledged cast member and an original "Not Ready for Prime Time Player."

In the earliest 1975 episodes of "NBC's Saturday Night" (like the ones hosted by George Carlin, Paul Simon, and Rob Reiner), Don Pardo would announce "The Not Ready for Prime Time Players," but not individually by name. Instead, the players' names would appear in list form on the screen accompanying Pardo's intonation. In the first list from the George Carlin broadcast appeared two names in addition to Ackroyd-Belushi-Chase-Curtin-Morris-Newman-Radner and they were George Coe AND Michael O'Donoghue. Coe was a middle-aged actor who would play judges and authority figures (he's the warden in the Garrett Morris "gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whiteys I see" sketch in the Peter Cook-Dudley Moore show). O'Donoghue's is definitely on the list of "NRFPT Players" which technically translates to his having been a full-fledged cast member.

In fact, not only did he appear in SNL's first sketch, in which he plays a language teacher who instructs John Belushi on how to say "I would like to feed your fingertips to the wolverines," but he also uttered the first words ever spoken on the show ("Good evening.").

Someone once proposed a wager involving the trivia question "Who was the first host on 'Saturday Night Live'?" Suspecting a loaded question, I refused to answer reasoning that the show was originally titled "MBC's Saturday Night," that it wasn't officially called "Saturday Night Live" until 1978, and that there was another show at the time called "Saturday Night Live" hosted by Howard Cosell ... You get the picture.

[marcus]

On Monday, October 13, 2014 1:23:07 PM UTC-4, That Derek wrote:
> >Tom Davis, 59 (2012)
>
>
>
> >Michael O'Donoghue, 54 (1994)
>
>
>
> It's great that Messrs. Davis and O'Donoghue are justifiably credited as being "SNL cast members." In most of the histories of the show, these two SNL writers and semi-regular performers are generally classified as being "supporting players."
>
>
>
> However, I'd like to make the case that Michael O'Donoghue WAS a full-fledged cast member and an original "Not Ready for Prime Time Player."

Good memory, he was good on the show and I enjoyed his writings, especially for Rolling Stone.

Not sure why this sticks with me, but I will always remember his line from one of his RS writings (said in dialogue to someone despicable), "Jesus may love you, but I think you're garbage wrapped in skin."

Weren't there also a few "Mr. Mike" skits on SNL starring O'Donoghue?

>
>
>
> In the earliest 1975 episodes of "NBC's Saturday Night" (like the ones hosted by George Carlin, Paul Simon, and Rob Reiner), Don Pardo would announce "The Not Ready for Prime Time Players," but not individually by name. Instead, the players' names would appear in list form on the screen accompanying Pardo's intonation. In the first list from the George Carlin broadcast appeared two names in addition to Ackroyd-Belushi-Chase-Curtin-Morris-Newman-Radner and they were George Coe AND Michael O'Donoghue. Coe was a middle-aged actor who would play judges and authority figures (he's the warden in the Garrett Morris "gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whiteys I see" sketch in the Peter Cook-Dudley Moore show). O'Donoghue's is definitely on the list of "NRFPT Players" which technically translates to his having been a full-fledged cast member.
>
>
>
> In fact, not only did he appear in SNL's first sketch, in which he plays a language teacher who instructs John Belushi on how to say "I would like to feed your fingertips to the wolverines," but he also uttered the first words ever spoken on the show ("Good evening.").

I remember that first skit, but didn't remember, til now, that Mike was in it.

> Someone once proposed a wager involving the trivia question "Who was the first host on 'Saturday Night Live'?" Suspecting a loaded question, I refused to answer reasoning that the show was originally titled "MBC's Saturday Night," that it wasn't officially called "Saturday Night Live" until 1978, and that there was another show at the time called "Saturday Night Live" hosted by Howard Cosell ... You get the picture.

Yes, Cosell trying to be Ed Sullivan.

That's why to this day, the ending of the opening skit is "Live from New York...it's Saturday Night" not "It's Saturday Night Live" (which Pardo later said before he did the introductions)

[Scott Brady]

On Monday, October 13, 2014 3:07:52 PM UTC-5, marcus wrote:

> Yes, Cosell trying to be Ed Sullivan.

Who died 40 years ago today.

http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/bday/0928.html

[R H Draney]

Scott Brady filted:

Surrounded, one hopes, by the classics:

http://youtu.be/8Z5u48N1H6Q

[Anglo Saxon]

It's cool to read what you have to say.

[R H Draney]

That Derek filted:
>
>Someone once proposed a wager involving the trivia question "Who was the fi=
>rst host on 'Saturday Night Live'?" Suspecting a loaded question, I refused=
> to answer reasoning that the show was originally titled "MBC's Saturday Ni=
>ght," that it wasn't officially called "Saturday Night Live" until 1978, a=
>nd that there was another show at the time called "Saturday Night Live" hos=

>ted by Howard Cosell ... You get the picture.

That's like my "who was the first actor to play James Bond?"...first they say
Sean Connery...then someone mentions that stuntman Bob Simmons appeared as 007
in silhouette in the opening credits of "Dr No" before Connery came on
screen...then along comes someone who mentions a 1954 teleplay of "Casino
Royale" starring Barry Nelson....

And then I throw a huge monkey wrench in and mention Fred Truesdell, in the 1917
silent film "Outwitted", playing a character named James Bond who has nothing to
do with Ian Fleming's creation....

Or consider the question: "how many ex-Presidents of the United States were
living on January 21st, 1893?"...Benjamin Harrison had been defeated in the
election back in November, but Grover Cleveland hadn't yet been sworn back into
the office he'd held before losing to Harrison four years before (inauguration
was in March back then)...the only other former president alive on Election Day
1892 was Rutherford B Hayes, who died on January 17th...so do you count
Cleveland as a "living ex-President" even though he had already won the office
back, or Harrison even though he was officially still president for another few
weeks?...r

[cathyc...@aol.com]

The 1917 "Bond" reference would just be stupid, not a trick question, just stupid.

[That Derek Again]

>> The 1917 "Bond" reference would just be stupid, not a trick question, just stupid.

Granted, the 1917 non-espionage "James Bond" is a bit far afield, but the thrust of Mr. Draney's (who, IMHO, is easily the most humorous regular post-er on this forum)offering was about trick-and-loaded questions and how one should never wager on them.

Case # 1: A cranky old guy in a bar once posited "How many presidents had the same the last name?" Another patron and I reasoned that there were two Adamses, two Harrisons, two Johnsons, and two Roosevelts [this was pre-Georgw W. Bush], so the answer is 8. Hold on: only two shared each name, so the answer is 2; wait a minute: we only have one president at any given time and the others are FORMER-presidents, so the answer could be one. The wagerer wanted one definitive answer, and, thus, nobody took the bet aware he was the type who would juggle the above three answers to his advantage.

Case #2: The same guy also asked what were the most northernmost, westernmost, easternmost, and southernmost of the United States. Southern is Hawaii, northern is Alaska, western, also, is Alaska. As for the easternmost, he postulated that, once again, the answer would be Alaska reasoning that the Aleutian Islands extend over the International Date Line. Like what was said about the non-Ian Fleming "Bond," this is just stupid.

Case # 3: If you have an old-style ten-dollar bill (not the newer multi-colored ones with the humongous picture of Alexander Hamilton), hold it in front of someone and ask "Name the president on the front of this ten-dollar bill." If you didn't display said currency, you'd be surprised how many people actually do not know who's depicted thereupon. An equal amount of folks looking at it will say "Hamilton" as well as "Ha, ha, Hamilton was never president." HOWEVER, underneath one of the serial numbers appears the words "Washington, D.C." Thus, the answer is "Washington" -- go back and look at the question where I never said "picture,"

Case #4: This was used in the Beatles-centric film "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" from 1978. "Who is the youngest Beatle?" Age-wise, it's George, but tenure-wise it was Ringo (age-wise, the oldest), who served the least amount of time as a Beatle.

Case #5: "What actor was the first one to provide the speaking voice of "Elmer Fudd"? Animation geeks are quick to point out that radio actor Arthur Q. Bryan was performing the voice uncredited opposite Mel Blanc's "Bugs Bunny" for almost 20 years BUT ... the first time the name "Elmer Fudd" was ever used was in a cartoon called "A Feud There Was" where a character, formerly known as "Egghead," insinuates himself into a hillbilly family feud while riding a motor scooter that reads "Elmer Fudd, Peacemaker." Therefore, the first actor to provide the speaking voice of Elmer Fudd was .... Mel Blanc. I used the phraseology "speaking voice" as the character came on-scene yodeling, and somebody else supplied the yodeling.

Case #6: "What two actors who comprised a 1930s movie comedy team appeared separately in 1963's 'It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World'?" Buster Keaton and Jimmy Durante -- MGM paired them up in about three early 1930s film comedies.

Case # 7: "In what month did the Russian 'October Revolution' begin?" Russia, at the time was on the Old-Style calendar and by their reckoning, it was already November.

Case # 8: "Who was the first host of 'Saturday Night Live'?" Why, Howard Cosell, of course.

The moral of this all: DON'T EVRE TAKE A BAR BET!

[marcus]

On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:14:28 AM UTC-4, Terry del Fuego wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:07:52 -0700 (PDT), marcus >

>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Good memory, he was good on the show and I enjoyed his writings,
>
> >especially for Rolling Stone.
>
>
>

> Do you mean National Lampoon or have I forgotten a stint at RS?
>
>
>
> Quite a few of the names in the original SNL cast (as well as later
>
> addition Christopher Guest) were familiar to listeners of "The
>
> National Lampoon Radio Hour".
>
>
>
> <www.amazon.com/Mr-Mike-Michael-ODonoghue-Dangerous/dp/0380973308/ref=sr_1_1>
>
> is an interesting read.
>
>
>
> November 8 will be the 20th anniversary of his transitioning to good
>
> human status.

I'm sure he wrote for Lampoon, but I recall his writings in RS as well.

[cathyc...@aol.com]

There's a huge difference between actual knowledge and silly trick trivia questions.

[David Carson]

On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 16:38:48 -0700 (PDT), That Derek Again
<that...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Case #2: The same guy also asked what were the most northernmost, westernmost, easternmost, and southernmost of the United States. Southern is Hawaii, northern is Alaska, western, also, is Alaska. As for the easternmost, he postulated that, once again, the answer would be Alaska reasoning that the Aleutian Islands extend over the International Date Line. Like what was said about the non-Ian Fleming "Bond," this is just stupid.

Not stupid. It's actually the most sensible "trick" answer of all the ones
you gave. Without a point of reference stated within the criteria of the
question, the answerer (or questioner) is free to pick a point of
reference of his or her own. Using the origin of the geographic
coordinate system used as a standard all over the world is hardly being
obscure.

>Case #4: This was used in the Beatles-centric film "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" from 1978. "Who is the youngest Beatle?" Age-wise, it's George, but tenure-wise it was Ringo (age-wise, the oldest), who served the least amount of time as a Beatle.

Now _this_ is just stupid. "Youngest" is not a synonym for "newest." You
might as well ask "Which is the tallest Beatle?" and then argue that the
correct answer "weight-wise" is whichever one was the heaviest.

[R H Draney]

Terry del Fuego filted:
>
>On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:07:52 -0700 (PDT), marcus <marc...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:

>
>>Good memory, he was good on the show and I enjoyed his writings,
>>especially for Rolling Stone.
>

>Do you mean National Lampoon or have I forgotten a stint at RS?
>
>Quite a few of the names in the original SNL cast (as well as later
>addition Christopher Guest) were familiar to listeners of "The
>National Lampoon Radio Hour".
>
><www.amazon.com/Mr-Mike-Michael-ODonoghue-Dangerous/dp/0380973308/ref=sr_1_1>
>is an interesting read.
>
>November 8 will be the 20th anniversary of his transitioning to good
>human status.

I wonder what it would be like if you took long steel knitting needles, heated
to a glowing red-hot, and plunged them into both his eyes....r

[R H Draney]

David Carson filted:

I don't remember where it was, but someone once tried to claim that John's
"bigger than Jesus" remark was misinterpreted, and that he'd actually only
claimed that the Beatles were *taller* than Jesus, even diminutive Ringo, since
the carpenter's son was probably quite short by present-day standards, and
they'd especially out-size him if you took all four of them together....r

[That Derek Redux]

Re: Fred Schneider uttering the "B-S" word on a 1990 edition of SNL. This one, at the time, got by me and probably everybody else as I do not remember anybody, especially Tipper Gore types, causing any hue and cry over it.

However, the first person ever to say the "s" word on a national TV was neither Fred Schneider nor Mark Harmon. It might've been ventriloquist/cartoon voice-over artist Paul Winchell ... in 1968 ... on a kids' show!

What follows is a condensation/adaptation of what I wrote on a friend's pop-culture blog during the week leading up to September 7th, 2008:

>This coming Sunday marks the fortieth anniversary of the premiere of "The Banana Splits Adventure Hour" over NBC. A few years ago, I accessed a 60-minute episode of such at The Museum of Television and Radio (MT&R)in NYC. Approximately 20-25 minutes into the proceedings, "Fleegle" was doing some shtick with a smaller puppet, a cuckoo clock's resident bird who sported a rainbow-colored head plumage (evocative of the guy wearing a rainbow afro wig while carrying the "John 3:16" sign at football games). The brief routine resulted in sawdust being emitted from the clock, causing Fleegle (voiced by the indomitable Paul Winchell) to laugh culminating in Winchell saying under his breath, "Oh, s---."

I rewound this several times to verify "did he say what I thought he said?" At a later date, my pal Brendan took a sojourn to the MT&R, and he, likewise, rewound it and corroborated my findings ... going so far to say that this had to have been the premiere episode of the "Splits" since there were introductory elements in the "Arabian Knights" cartoon that preceded the cuckoo clock scene.

The MT&R has since been re-christened "The Paley Center for Media." A couple of weeks ago, another friend and I accessed the same "Splits" episode and I showed him the scene, and we have, thus, verified that long before Mark Harmon uttered "S--- happens" on an episode of "Chicago Hope," that the suspect word got through NBC's "Standards and Practices" and aired nationally on Saturday, September 7th, 1968. ... it is overwhelmingly safe to assert that one of my all-time heroes, a certain ventriloquist/voice-over artist/cardiologist [and one of the coolest persons ever to walk this planet], said one of George Carlin's "seven dirty words" on a nationally aired kiddie show back in September 1968,

As for rockers cursing, on the 1987 Grammy Awards live telecast, one of the Beastie Boys upon taking the dais after winning a Grammy, is heard saying "F---ing A!" Track that one down and put it on the party reel.

[News]

"R H Draney" <dado...@spamcop.net> wrote in message

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Is that how Rasputin actually died? :)
(j/k)

[News]

"R H Draney" <dado...@spamcop.net> wrote in message

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> That Derek filted:
>>
>>Someone once proposed a wager involving the trivia question "Who was the
>>fi=
>>rst host on 'Saturday Night Live'?" Suspecting a loaded question, I
>>refused=
>> to answer reasoning that the show was originally titled "MBC's Saturday
>> Ni=
>>ght," that it wasn't officially called "Saturday Night Live" until 1978,
>>a=
>>nd that there was another show at the time called "Saturday Night Live"
>>hos=
>>ted by Howard Cosell ... You get the picture.

The late, great, George Carlin, almost exactly 39 years ago
(Oct. 11, 1975)
He was on MBC's Saturday Night show. :) [obvious misspelling
joke]
Real piece of trivia: Who was the musical guest that night?
Two of them: The late, great Billy Preston [*], and Janis Ian.
One more piece of SNL trivia: How many episodes have presently
been aired in its 39 complete years, excluding 27 aired specials?
A whopping 769, which aired exactly on its 39th birthday last
Saturday, October 11, hosted by Bill Hader.


[*] "Will It Go Round in Circles?" (1973 song, #1 for 2 weeks)

Trick questions are stupid. :)

[News]

"David Carson" <da...@neosoft.com> wrote in message
news:m1km5g$ag4$1...@dont-email.me...

> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 16:38:48 -0700 (PDT), That Derek Again
> <that...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Case #2: The same guy also asked what were the most northernmost,
>>westernmost, easternmost, and southernmost of the United States. Southern
>>is Hawaii, northern is Alaska, western, also, is Alaska. As for the
>>easternmost, he postulated that, once again, the answer would be Alaska
>>reasoning that the Aleutian Islands extend over the International Date
>>Line. Like what was said about the non-Ian Fleming "Bond," this is just
>>stupid.
>
> Not stupid. It's actually the most sensible "trick" answer of all the ones
> you gave. Without a point of reference stated within the criteria of the
> question, the answerer (or questioner) is free to pick a point of
> reference of his or her own. Using the origin of the geographic
> coordinate system used as a standard all over the world is hardly being
> obscure.

What if you just ignore the off-shore bunch of Aleutian
Islands and only refer to mainland Alaska? [*]
Then, there is no confusion! LOL

[*] similarly to the tiny off-shore islands of Quemoy (i.e., now Kinmen) and
Matsu that the '60 Presidential Debate got so heated about in defending
(then part of Taiwan) if they were attacked by China. That certainly was a
dumb and minor point to get all excited about in that famous series of
debates. Nobody in the West knew (or cared at all about those tiny places)
until someone (Nixon, who was vociferously and rabidly anti-China, pre-1972)
brought it up in one of the debates. Both are now controlled by China, and
nobody cares one way or another, with many back then (including Kennedy) not
believing either was essential to Taiwan's security.

>>Case #4: This was used in the Beatles-centric film "I Wanna Hold Your
>>Hand" from 1978. "Who is the youngest Beatle?" Age-wise, it's George, but
>>tenure-wise it was Ringo (age-wise, the oldest), who served the least
>>amount of time as a Beatle.

I agree with you that was a stupid, illogical "trick"
question, and I saw the film that year in a theater.

> Now _this_ is just stupid. "Youngest" is not a synonym for "newest." You
> might as well ask "Which is the tallest Beatle?"

> and then argue that the correct answer "weight-wise" is whichever one was
> the heaviest.

I'm betting it was John. :)

[marcus]

On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 6:35:28 PM UTC-4, News wrote:

> I agree with you that was a stupid, illogical "trick"
>
> question, and I saw the film that year in a theater.
>

starring Paul Newman's daughter.

[News]

"marcus" <marc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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She (Susan Kendall Newman) was hot stuff then, and so was Nancy Allen.
Wendie Jo Sperber was hilariously funny as the super-Beatle fan, who
got in all kinds of predicaments in the film, as did Eddie Deezen--who
happens to be a good friend of a former A.O. resident, and film expert.
Will Jordan (now 87) did his usual, perfect impression of Ed Sullivan,
happily kept on film now for all posterity.
Susan K. Newman pretended as an actress in the film of hating the
Beatles, but in reality she loved them too.
One of the film's funniest gags was at the Plaza Hotel before the
performance, a maid took a dirty mop and shook it out the window to get rid
of some dirt on it, and the multitude of girls outside started screaming
because it looked like a Beatle head!
Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

[marcus]

On Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:28:10 AM UTC-4, News wrote:
> "marcus" > wrote in message

I've only seen the movie once, back in the late 70s when it came out. It was a fun movie. Deezen resembling and acting like a young Jerry Lewis was hysterical.

[News]

"marcus" <marc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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Deezen even *sounded* (voice) like a young Jerry Lewis.
I'm almost positive Jerry was at least his idol and possibly
mentor in doing screen comedy.

[J.D. Baldwin]

In the previous article, David Carson <da...@neosoft.com> wrote:
> > Case #2: The same guy also asked what were the most northernmost,
> > westernmost, easternmost, and southernmost of the United
> > States. Southern is Hawaii, northern is Alaska, western, also, is
> > Alaska. As for the easternmost, he postulated that, once again, the
> > answer would be Alaska reasoning that the Aleutian Islands extend
> > over the International Date Line. Like what was said about the
> > non-Ian Fleming "Bond," this is just stupid.
>
> Not stupid. It's actually the most sensible "trick" answer of all
> the ones you gave. Without a point of reference stated within the
> criteria of the question, the answerer (or questioner) is free to
> pick a point of reference of his or her own.

Saying "easternmost" generically implies (I think) a frame of
reference where everything in the eastern hemisphere is "east" of
stuff in the western hemisphere. So, while it sounds a little weird
and silly to say (e.g.) that Japan is "to the east of" Hawaii, it's
less weird if you say that Japan is "farther east than" Hawaii -- the
latter implies a larger frame of reference, and the longitude system
is the only global framework for east and west that I know of. (As
you noted in text I snipped.)

One quibble, though: the Aleutians do not "extend over the
International Date Line." The IDL, not a "line" at all, bends around
Alaska; every square inch of Alaskan territory is on the western
hemisphere side of the IDL. Alaskan territory does, however, extend
over the 180th meridian and therefore is in the eastern hemisphere.

One other quibble: I don't think the "Who is the president named on
the ten-dollar bill?" question is any less sensible. It is actually a
very good trick question if worded properly, and I intend to use it on
my kids at the next opportunity.
--
_+_ From the catapult of |If anyone objects to any statement I make, I am
_|70|___:)=}- J.D. Baldwin |quite prepared not only to retract it, but also
\ / bal...@panix.com|to deny under oath that I ever made it.-T. Lehrer
***~~~~----------------------------------------------------------------------

[That Derek]

Wow, you really liked the president/ten-dollar bill routine? That means a lot to me. I didn't want to say it on first posting but I actually had a hand in devising that bar bet, but for the sake of expediency decided not to go into a drawn-out backstory. Good luck trying this shtick on your kids, but, aye, the rub is trying to find an old-style $10 bill in circulation. The newer models do not say "Washington, D.C." on the front, and, thus, the bait(Hamilton)-and-switch(Washington) will not work when you ask "Name the president on the front of this ten-dollar bill."

As for whether Alaska and its Aleutians Islands are self-contained within the Western Hemisphere, or whether the Aleutians pass over the International Date Line, I was just reporting on how this trick question was presented me. If my memory serves me right, the same guy who insisted this was true and that Alaska was the US's most easternmost state was also the same guy with the loaded question about how many presidents had the same last name.

A friend tried a bar bet with a big guy: How do you pronounce the capital of Kentucky, "Lou-uh-ville" or "Lou-ee-ville"? When the stranger answered with one of the options, my friend blurted out "No, it's Frankfurt!" Even though there wasn't any money at stake, the big guy wanted to pummel my friend after this embarrassment.

Therefore, it is always advisable to preface to a fellow bar patron "Hey, I got a great trick question you can try on your friends ... ," and then trot out "Name the president on the front of this ten-dollar bill," or whatever.

The "Louisville" scenario reminded me of something I tried on a supervisor at Talking Books, where precise pronunciation is the order of the day. I posited "How do you pronounce the capital of North Dakota: 'pee-AIR' or 'PEER'?"
Said pigeon said, "Derek, you should know this by now; it's spelled 'Pierre' but pronounced 'peer'"? ... "No, the capital of NORTH Dakota is Bismarck!"

The next day, I tried something similar, but this time without any misleading. I queried "How do you pronounce the eighth planet from the Sun?" Again, "Derek, you should know this by now; they're both given, either 'YOOR-uh-nus' or 'yoor-AY-nus. Make sure the narrator is being consistent." .... "No, the eighth planet from the Sun is NEPTUNE!"

This reminds me of the "Schoolhouse Rock" cartoon "Interplanet Janet," in which the title character visits all the planets. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmYVWJ82dQQ>

When the singer/songwriter Lynn Ahrens gets to "Uranus," it is curiously pronounced "yoo-RAN-us." I guess Ms. Ahrens or some network wonk insisted it be deliberately mispronounced lest its intended audience sing it "Your anus is built on a funny tilt, and Neptune is its twin."

[R H Draney]

That Derek filted:
>>
>The "Louisville" scenario reminded me of something I tried on a supervisor =
>at Talking Books, where precise pronunciation is the order of the day. I po=
>sited "How do you pronounce the capital of North Dakota: 'pee-AIR' or 'PEER=
>'?"
>Said pigeon said, "Derek, you should know this by now; it's spelled 'Pierre=
>' but pronounced 'peer'"? ... "No, the capital of NORTH Dakota is Bismarck!=
>"

More like this:

"How many of each animal did Moses take onto the Ark?"
"Pronounce T-O; pronounce T-O-O; pronounce T-W-O; pronounce the second day of
the week"
"Which is correct: 'six and seven *is* fourteen' or 'six and seven *are*
fourteen'?"

>The next day, I tried something similar, but this time without any misleadi=
>ng. I queried "How do you pronounce the eighth planet from the Sun?" Again,=
> "Derek, you should know this by now; they're both given, either 'YOOR-uh-n=
>us' or 'yoor-AY-nus. Make sure the narrator is being consistent." .... "No,=

> the eighth planet from the Sun is NEPTUNE!"
>

>This reminds me of the "Schoolhouse Rock" cartoon "Interplanet Janet," in w=
>hich the title character visits all the planets. <https://www.youtube.com/w=
>atch?v=3DvmYVWJ82dQQ>
>
>When the singer/songwriter Lynn Ahrens gets to "Uranus," it is curiously pr=
>onounced "yoo-RAN-us." I guess Ms. Ahrens or some network wonk insisted it =
>be deliberately mispronounced lest its intended audience sing it "Your anus=

> is built on a funny tilt, and Neptune is its twin."

One of these days I have to sit down and watch the 1962 US-Danish movie "Journey
to the Seventh Planet" to see how the actors pronounce it...as in "Schoolhouse
Rock", I'm sure the actual title of the film was insisted upon by
executives....r

[A Friend]

In article <m23tn...@drn.newsguy.com>, R H Draney

<dado...@spamcop.net> wrote:

> One of these days I have to sit down and watch the 1962 US-Danish movie
> "Journey
> to the Seventh Planet" to see how the actors pronounce it...as in "Schoolhouse
> Rock", I'm sure the actual title of the film was insisted upon by
> executives....r

It's pronounced yur-RAH-nuss in the film. This 1962 Danish movie
(starring American actor John Agar) is set in the far future year of
2001, when all war has been abolished, man has learned to live with
himself, and the UN is the world's sole governing body. All the
planets through Saturn have been thoroughly explored and charted by the
UN space authority, and no life has been found anywhere. All of that
is in the prologue.

This film was distributed by American International. I think you're
right that the title was meant to discourage the high school crowd from
making jokes. When making The Ten Commandments a few years before,
Cecil B. De Mille had changed the name of Nefretiti to Nefretiri for
the same reason.

[David Carson]

On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 18:05:03 -0400, A Friend <no...@noway.com> wrote:

>This film was distributed by American International. I think you're
>right that the title was meant to discourage the high school crowd from
>making jokes. When making The Ten Commandments a few years before,
>Cecil B. De Mille had changed the name of Nefretiti to Nefretiri for
>the same reason.

(Professor Farnsworth lets Fry use his "Smell-O-Scope", a type of
telescope that detects interstellar odors.)

FRY: This is a great, as long as you don't make me smell Uranus. Heh heh.

LEELA: I don't get it.

PROFESSOR FARNSWORTH: I'm sorry, Fry, but astronomers renamed Uranus in
2620 to end that stupid joke once and for all.

FRY: Oh. What's it called now?

PROFESSOR FARNSWORTH: Urectum.

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"J.D. Baldwin" <INVALID...@example.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:m23143$6sj$1...@reader1.panix.com...

Hamilton was one of the worst of the Founding Fathers.
He was a known supporter of monarchism, and although for
independence from England, he wanted the U.S. to have its own brand of
monarchy and royalty, as per the Kings, Queens, and Princes of Europe.
The only reason he is on the 10-note at all, is because he was
the first Secretary of the Treasury, and designed the system of the U.S.
assuming the frightening amount of debt the States ran-up between the end of
the Revolutionary War (1783), and the beginning of the Constitution on April
30, 1789, with Washington's inauguration.
Outside of those two notable accomplishments, he was a dedicated
Monarchist, was the brainchild for the First Bank of the United States
(1791-1811), leading to the U.S. to strictly control the money supply by
allowing elitists to create paper money to Big Business special interests,
and was the strongest in favor of only elitists in charge of the government,
and wanted the 3-equal branches of the national government to effectively
give almost all power to the Executive, with the other branches mere
figureheads.
Good thing his arch-enemy Jefferson and other
Democratic-Republicans of limited national government and most powers
devolved to the States thwarted his little scheme for 140 years, or the U.S.
might have had virtual Kings almost from the start.

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"That Derek" <that...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:321b9c22-fe30-4d7b...@googlegroups.com...

Wow, you really liked the president/ten-dollar bill routine? That means a
lot to me. I didn't want to say it on first posting but I actually had a
hand in devising that bar bet, but for the sake of expediency decided not to
go into a drawn-out backstory. Good luck trying this shtick on your kids,
but, aye, the rub is trying to find an old-style $10 bill in circulation.
The newer models do not say "Washington, D.C." on the front, and, thus, the
bait(Hamilton)-and-switch(Washington) will not work when you ask "Name the
president on the front of this ten-dollar bill."

As for whether Alaska and its Aleutians Islands are self-contained within
the Western Hemisphere, or whether the Aleutians pass over the International
Date Line, I was just reporting on how this trick question was presented me.
If my memory serves me right, the same guy who insisted this was true and
that Alaska was the US's most easternmost state was also the same guy with
the loaded question about how many presidents had the same last name.

A friend tried a bar bet with a big guy: How do you pronounce the capital of
Kentucky, "Lou-uh-ville" or "Lou-ee-ville"? When the stranger answered with
one of the options, my friend blurted out "No, it's Frankfurt!" Even though
there wasn't any money at stake, the big guy wanted to pummel my friend
after this embarrassment.

I knew it was Frankfurt before you got to the answer!
I enjoy some of those 'leading' trick questions to ignorant
Americans!!!
And (unfortunately) there are more of them everyday to win a
big bar bet.

Therefore, it is always advisable to preface to a fellow bar patron "Hey, I
got a great trick question you can try on your friends ... ," and then trot
out "Name the president on the front of this ten-dollar bill," or whatever.

The "Louisville" scenario reminded me of something I tried on a supervisor
at Talking Books, where precise pronunciation is the order of the day. I
posited "How do you pronounce the capital of North Dakota: 'pee-AIR' or
'PEER'?"
Said pigeon said, "Derek, you should know this by now; it's spelled 'Pierre'
but pronounced 'peer'"? ... "No, the capital of NORTH Dakota is Bismarck!"

The next day, I tried something similar, but this time without any
misleading. I queried "How do you pronounce the eighth planet from the Sun?"
Again, "Derek, you should know this by now; they're both given, either
'YOOR-uh-nus' or 'yoor-AY-nus. Make sure the narrator is being consistent."
.... "No, the eighth planet from the Sun is NEPTUNE!"

This reminds me of the "Schoolhouse Rock" cartoon "Interplanet Janet," in
which the title character visits all the planets.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmYVWJ82dQQ>

When the singer/songwriter Lynn Ahrens gets to "Uranus," it is curiously
pronounced "yoo-RAN-us." I guess Ms. Ahrens or some network wonk insisted it
be deliberately mispronounced lest its intended audience sing it "Your anus
is built on a funny tilt, and Neptune is its twin."

You ran us over with your neat trick questions!
Now, we know those are *all* the neat 'leading' trick
questions in the whole world--NOT! :)
Uranus and Neptune are of a different composition than the
gas giants Jupiter and Saturn.
Ice giants are closer to the truth--with Water, Ammonia, and
Methane the primary atmospheric ingredients.
Uranus has the coldest atmosphere of the major 8 planets,
with a minimum of -224 deg (C) [-372 deg. F] temperatute.
Neptune's atmosphere has a minimum of "only" -218 deg. (C)
[-360 deg. F] temperature.
Just for fun, the dwarf planet Pluto is colder than both,
with a -230 deg. (C) [-382 deg. F] temperature.

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"David Carson" <da...@neosoft.com> wrote in message
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Women get excited seeing Ur-ection.
[ok, I know it's a dumb sexist joke, but you-led-me-on-to-it]