down with the chemical brothers!!
jim schaefer
disclaimer: this post is very elitist, so please save those elitist
remarks in the flaming of me. thank you.
the chemical brothers. sure, they were once the dust brothers, and
sure they had better stuff, but they're shit. evil shit at that.
the prodigy got the ball rolling for the mainstreaming and
commercializing of techno. i still think it wasn't as much them as
other people and the industry causing them to skyrocket like they did.
but they've gotten 2 songs out (and i've never heard breathe despite
hearing firestarter endless times).
but people like the prodigy aren't the problem. it's people like the
chemical brothers who are the problem. they initally got exit planet
dust out when techno was still growing, and yeah, it's there. but in
a.f. times (after firestarter, the complement to before firestarter
(bf) . i love blasphemestic refrences) they've gone and sold out. i
mean, i'm sure they're really good pals with noel gallagher and all,
but setting sun is just obviously a ploy to get more alternative
listeners. record co execs dig that. now they've got a new cd out
(while they're hot) and look to be the forerunner in the
commercialization of techno (and they'll ride it all the way to the
bank).
i was thrilled to find out the orb were coming to town (chicago). i
was even more thrilled to see that the orb were bumped down and the
chemical brothers were headlining and the gig was called "deep (1
second pause) rave '97". this is the directiion that mainstreaming
will take, and despite the few genuine people who will look at the
music and be like "wow, this is good stuff", i'm more angered at the
countless millions who will be like "oh my god, THAT IS SO COOL!! GET
THE MARKER, THAT NAME'S GOING ON MY BAG (along with silverchair, bush,
nin, nirvana, pearl jam, 311, sublime, and all the other alternaschlub
bands i don't know) and proceed to sell out the shows that many who
truly appreciate the music and the artists would like to see.
yah, my bitching all leads to one point that's seperate from this
post. i want to see rdj later on this year, and it's most likely
going to be some farce like deep rave '97. fucks like the chemical
brothers headlining over the orb and churning out new, shitty music on
a regular basis (someone look me with a straight face and tell me how
good block rockin beats is) make things bad.
well, i wouldn't mind if the chem bros just up and died. though, i
would like to take that ugly girl from all their videos (and the mtv
commecials), grab her by one of her pigtails, and smash her into a
brick wall (this has nothing to do with the chem bros, she's just
sooooo repulsive and now overexposed that she needs it)
contact: min...@wwa.com
website: http://shoga.wwa.com/~mindway/
Persinthia Lawdro
In article <334765c8...@news.wwa.com>, min...@wwa.com says...
>the chemical brothers. sure, they were once the dust brothers, and
>sure they had better stuff, but they're shit. evil shit at that.
Actually, their new album IS 'The Shit' as in fucking out the door amazing.
>the prodigy got the ball rolling for the mainstreaming and
>commercializing of techno.
Did they??? So are we to expect those Autechre and Black Dog MTV
'Rockumentaries' soon???
>but people like the prodigy aren't the problem. it's people like the
>chemical brothers who are the problem. they initally got exit planet
>dust out when techno was still growing, and yeah, it's there. but in
>a.f. times (after firestarter, the complement to before firestarter
>(bf) . i love blasphemestic refrences) they've gone and sold out. i
>mean, i'm sure they're really good pals with noel gallagher and all,
>but setting sun is just obviously a ploy to get more alternative
>listeners.
Prodigy are working with Kula Shaker on their new album, so what's your
point, genius?? Have you heard the rest of 'Dig Your Own Hole'??? are you
aware the 'Exit Planet Dust' is 2 years old and 'Firestarter' came out LAST
year??? Are you using your brain while posting or just trying to make us all
laugh???
>record co execs dig that. now they've got a new cd out
>(while they're hot) and look to be the forerunner in the
>commercialization of techno (and they'll ride it all the way to the
>bank).
Yep, I bet that was Tom and Ed's plan all along. In fact, I bet they
strategically planned this move 4-5 years ago when they were still recording
out of their bedrooms. Of course, no other bands in any other genres of music
release albums while they are 'hot'. Only the Chemical Brothers. DAMN THEM TO
HELL!!!!
>i was thrilled to find out the orb were coming to town (chicago). i
>was even more thrilled to see that the orb were bumped down and the
>chemical brothers were headlining and the gig was called "deep (1
>second pause) rave '97".
Actually, according to Asterlwerks they are co-headlining. The Orb put on
really long shows compared to the Chemicals who usually only do about an hour
long set.
>this is the directiion that mainstreaming
>will take, and despite the few genuine people who will look at the
>music and be like "wow, this is good stuff", i'm more angered at the
>countless millions who will be like "oh my god, THAT IS SO COOL!! GET
>THE MARKER, THAT NAME'S GOING ON MY BAG (along with silverchair, bush,
>nin, nirvana, pearl jam, 311, sublime, and all the other alternaschlub
>bands i don't know)
Like you never did that when you were a teenager. Get out of here, you loser.
Your worse than those people. Instead of appreciating the music, you're
sitting here bitching about other people listening to YOUR music. That's
really fucking mature.
>yah, my bitching all leads to one point that's seperate from this
>post. i want to see rdj later on this year, and it's most likely
>going to be some farce like deep rave '97.
That's if he even tours. It's kind of up in the air right now. I know some
people trying to do a show w/ u-ziq headlining and say that even that seems
unlikely.
>fucks like the chemical
>brothers headlining over the orb and churning out new, shitty music on
>a regular basis (someone look me with a straight face and tell me how
>good block rockin beats is) make things bad.
I like it and I'll tell you right now, the rest of the album is truly out
there. The last song which is a collaboration w/ Mercury Rev (Hey, we all knw
how bankable Mercury Rev is) is 9 minutes of the most insane madness I've
heard in ages.
>well, i wouldn't mind if the chem bros just up and died.
That's a pretty sick statement. Wishing death on anyone is pretty selfish and
sick. It's peopel like you who don't even deserve to listen to good music.
You can't seem to appreciate it without bitching and maoning about what other
people listen to. FUCK them! Are you that concerned??? You need some therapy
if it bothers you that much.
>though, i
>would like to take that ugly girl from all their videos (and the mtv
>commecials), grab her by one of her pigtails, and smash her into a
>brick wall (this has nothing to do with the chem bros, she's just
>sooooo repulsive and now overexposed that she needs it)
Like, Oh My God, she's so repulsive. Man, you are one lame-ass individual.
What the fuck did that girl do to you. Maybe if you get laid for once, you'll
get over this little Chemicals issue.
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Tom Ewing
On 6 Apr 1997 10:45:02 GMT, cow...@ix.netcom.com (Persinthia Lawdro)
wrote:
>>but people like the prodigy aren't the problem. it's people like the
>>chemical brothers who are the problem. they initally got exit planet
>>dust out when techno was still growing, and yeah, it's there. but in
>>a.f. times (after firestarter, the complement to before firestarter
>>(bf) . i love blasphemestic refrences) they've gone and sold out. i
>>mean, i'm sure they're really good pals with noel gallagher and all,
>>but setting sun is just obviously a ploy to get more alternative
>>listeners.
>
>Prodigy are working with Kula Shaker on their new album, so what's your
>point, genius??
Something else to mention is that rock and pop music and techno have
been fairly close in the UK - which is the scene the Chems are part
of, and the context they should be taken in - fairly often.
The Balearic Beats thing which kicked off the whole scene in the UK on
a nationwide level was founded on mixing up dance, pop, indie and rock
to create a new sort of vibe. (Admitedly I'm not speaking from
personal memory, alas.)
Since then the scene here has swung between being fiercely underground
and embracing other musics and commercial success. Using indie
vocalists as guest stars has an honourable tradition, with 808 State's
superb "Ex:El" album (1991) featuring Bjork and Bernard Sumner.
I get the impression people in the UK are happy to listen to
overground and underground acts at the same time. Being a smaller
market and more amenable to accept new trends, be they embarassingly
bad or genuinely music-changing, there's much less paranoia about
'selling out' over here.
And again: "The Private Psychedelic Reel" justifies everything else
the Chemicals have ever recorded. No, it's not techno, but that
doesn't mean it's not a magnificent achievement.
Tom.
ESP
i understand where your anger is coming from; the way corporations
colonized and diluted jazz, r&b, punk, grunge, rap, and ska music
certainyl doesn't bode well for the future of electronic/techno/trip hop/
whatever.
i would suggest, however, that you take all your hostile energy and funnel
it into projects that preserve the best of the underground (however you
define it).. support internet artists [like me] that give their music away
(the first time in history we've had such a significant opportunity to get
our voices out to wide audiences), most of which, i've found, is quite
decent.
yes, the MTV-ing of techno will have MANY negative effects, especially the
sugarized way they take the most marketable aspects of music and leave the
rest to rot; but it will also bring many good effects as well. we in the
us will have access to a number of really good artists (not on major
labels) that we haven't been able to hear before. turn OFF the MTV and
check out some no-namers instead. bitching is one thing, doing something
about it quite another.
and for the record, while i think the chem. bros are capitalist whores,
they make some damn good music. i really like block rockin beats (looking
you right in the eye)
eric:p
._____Eric S. Piotrowski__...@virtu.sar.usf.edu_____.
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| for freedom will eventually come." |
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Persinthia Lawdro
In article <33481dda...@nntp.netcruiser>, tew...@netcomuk.co.uk says...
>And again: "The Private Psychedelic Reel" justifies everything else
>the Chemicals have ever recorded. No, it's not techno, but that
>doesn't mean it's not a magnificent achievement.
Yep, thats definetly a monumental track. Hellified insane madness!!!
jim schaefer
[your whole response basically ripping on me]
>Like, Oh My God, she's so repulsive. Man, you are one lame-ass individual.
>What the fuck did that girl do to you. Maybe if you get laid for once, you'll
>get over this little Chemicals issue.
shit. let's take shots at me. i wasn't necessairly thinking straight
when i posted that, but nevertheless, before you go ripping on me and
how pathetic i am, don't you have to go respond to every other message
posted in this group?
Chris Basford
In article <33481dda...@nntp.netcruiser>, Tom Ewing
<tew...@netcomuk.co.uk> writes
>And again: "The Private Psychedelic Reel" justifies everything else
>the Chemicals have ever recorded. No, it's not techno, but that
>doesn't mean it's not a magnificent achievement.
I completely agree. The best thing they've done. Or for that matter,
anyone else has done for years. Unspeakably and unexpressibly good.
The rest of the album is superb too.
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Mark Day
jim schaefer wrote:
>
> disclaimer: this post is very elitist, so please save those elitist
> remarks in the flaming of me. thank you.
>
> sure they had better stuff, but they're shit. evil shit at that.
>
> other people and the industry causing them to skyrocket like they did.
> but they've gotten 2 songs out (and i've never heard breathe despite
> hearing firestarter endless times).
>
> chemical brothers who are the problem. they initally got exit planet
> dust out when techno was still growing, and yeah, it's there. but in
> a.f. times (after firestarter, the complement to before firestarter
> (bf) . i love blasphemestic refrences) they've gone and sold out. i
> mean, i'm sure they're really good pals with noel gallagher and all,
> but setting sun is just obviously a ploy to get more alternative
> (while they're hot) and look to be the forerunner in the
> commercialization of techno (and they'll ride it all the way to the
> bank).
>
> was even more thrilled to see that the orb were bumped down and the
> chemical brothers were headlining and the gig was called "deep (1
> will take, and despite the few genuine people who will look at the
> music and be like "wow, this is good stuff", i'm more angered at the
> countless millions who will be like "oh my god, THAT IS SO COOL!! GET
> THE MARKER, THAT NAME'S GOING ON MY BAG (along with silverchair, bush,
> nin, nirvana, pearl jam, 311, sublime, and all the other alternaschlub
> truly appreciate the music and the artists would like to see.
>
> post. i want to see rdj later on this year, and it's most likely
> brothers headlining over the orb and churning out new, shitty music on
> a regular basis (someone look me with a straight face and tell me how
> good block rockin beats is) make things bad.
>
> would like to take that ugly girl from all their videos (and the mtv
> commecials), grab her by one of her pigtails, and smash her into a
> brick wall (this has nothing to do with the chem bros, she's just
> sooooo repulsive and now overexposed that she needs it)
>
Forget elitist - how 'bout 'clueless'. On the Chems first LP (way
before MTV could give a monkeyfart about electronic music) they had
vocals from both Tim Burgess of the Charlatans and Beth Orton of
Portishead and (oh, it's been a while since i checked the liner
notes...) Sarah from St. Etienne if I remember correctly...(not
forgetting their long term respect for, and remixing of, Manic Street
Preachers) anyway, point being, the real 'know nothings' are the
Americans who only know half the story on UK bands like the Chems and
the Prodigy, don't realise that for YEARS now these bands have been
playing in a crossover rock/dance context (at feativals, in clubs etc.
there's this thing called Glastonbury, see? and it's every type of music
under the sun - and some that isn't....) and y'all and seem to think
that this is some shocking new development. Wise up, suckers... it might
be spoiling your super-elitist lil' old scene, but it's no new
development. The world is flat from where you're standing, but guess
what? it's round...and it rocks when it's not dancing (and sometimes
when it is...)
Chris Basford
In article <33495A...@psygnosis.com>, Mark Day <md...@psygnosis.com>
writes
>Forget elitist - how 'bout 'clueless'. On the Chems first LP (way
>before MTV could give a monkeyfart about electronic music) they had
>vocals from both Tim Burgess of the Charlatans and Beth Orton of
>Portishead and (oh, it's been a while since i checked the liner
>notes...) Sarah from St. Etienne if I remember correctly..
Errrr.....the only people who did vocals on EPD were Tim Burgess and
Beth Orton. Was she in Portishead?? I didn't know that. Whatever
happened to them? They just disappeared.
ibid
Beth Orton is NOT in Portishead- she is a singer in her own right on the
Heavenly label. Beth Gibbons is in Portishead.
ibid
ibid
Uh hello, excuse me? Where would any of the aforementioned groups (ie
Prodigy, the Chems) be without The Orb? Were it not for the Orb
releasing stimulating music that strayed from the norm in 1989-90 we
wouldn't have either group. The collective of musicians and DJ's that
became what is now the Orb spawned a genre that is not necessarily dance
music yet slamming all the same and inspired none other than Tom and Ed
Chem but Liam Howlett- the only actual musician in the Prodigy.
The fact that the Orb were reduced a slot in the line up of the
rave/concert/marketing ploy in question is irrelevant. They set the
pace, now let the Chems run THEIR race! Thay have said (Tom and Ed)
repeatedly how little they care for the industry and stardom per se. Oh
and by the way- the Chems don't use DAT on stage- they sequence with an
MPC-60.
Let them rock. If you don't want to see the Orb, go later!
ibid
PS don't forget the KLF...
Persinthia Lawdro
In article <MA+u2BAw...@g3vkm.demon.co.uk>, Ch...@g3vkm.demon.co.uk
says...
>Errrr.....the only people who did vocals on EPD were Tim Burgess and
>Beth Orton. Was she in Portishead?? I didn't know that. Whatever
>happened to them? They just disappeared.
Beth Gibbons is in Portishead. They have an album coming out in October. I'm
pretty damn excited.
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Yo La Tengo - Autumn Sweater (EP)
GusGus - Polydistortion
Chemical Brothers - Dig Your Own Hole
Mark Bartlam
Chris Basford (Ch...@g3vkm.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <33495A...@psygnosis.com>, Mark Day <md...@psygnosis.com>
: writes
:
: >Forget elitist - how 'bout 'clueless'. On the Chems first LP (way
: >before MTV could give a monkeyfart about electronic music) they had
: >vocals from both Tim Burgess of the Charlatans and Beth Orton of
: >Portishead and (oh, it's been a while since i checked the liner
: >notes...) Sarah from St. Etienne if I remember correctly..
: Errrr.....the only people who did vocals on EPD were Tim Burgess and
: Beth Orton. Was she in Portishead?? I didn't know that. Whatever
: happened to them? They just disappeared.
Someone's got their wires crossed. Beth *Gibbons* is in Portishead. Beth
Orton is a solo artist who recently released the excellent Trailer Park
album. It's very folky and a big departure from the Chemical Brothers, but
it does feature some great tracks produced by Andy Weatherall. Oh, and
Beth has also sung with the brilliant Red Snapper. Portishead are
*still* working on their second album, although I wouldn't hold your
breath waiting for it.
Sarah Cracknell didn't appear on Exit Planet Dust and has never worked
with the Chemicals, although they did turn in a mix of St Etienne's Like
A Motorway. Perhaps you're thinking of Gone, her collaboration
with David Holmes.
Mark.
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Mark S-D
jim schaefer <min...@wwa.com> wrote....
>
>disclaimer: this post is very elitist, so please save those elitist
>remarks in the flaming of me. thank you.
>
Do you want me to put you in my kill file as well ? It might be easier
just to post your comments to yourself & save us the bother.
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Mark S-D
Mark Day <md...@psygnosis.com> wrote....
> the real 'know nothings' are the
>Americans who only know half the story on UK bands like the Chems and
>the Prodigy, don't realise that for YEARS now these bands have been
>playing in a crossover rock/dance context (at feativals, in clubs etc.
>there's this thing called Glastonbury, see? and it's every type of music
>under the sun - and some that isn't....) and y'all and seem to think
>that this is some shocking new development. Wise up, suckers... it might
>be spoiling your super-elitist lil' old scene, but it's no new
>development. The world is flat from where you're standing, but guess
>what? it's round...and it rocks when it's not dancing (and sometimes
>when it is...)
He he....! Yeah, I feel I agree with this sentiment quite a lot, not all
Americans are stupid though and theres a fair few "lame-ass" UK people.
I remember (ah....back in the old days) when Prodigy played to just a
few hundred in clubs etc, and it was a time when the only release was
"What evil lurks", this was about 6 years ago and it definatley was not
about money because most of it wasn't even released. They had massive
energy even back then. I remember Maxim climbing up on top the speaker
stack doing his MCing, jumping off and dancing all around the place with
the croud. It was mental, I've seen Keith throw himself into the croud
before as well. The croud loved it myself included, what's wrong with
that ? It's great music to go off your head to no matter what. People
seem to want to slag them off now because they are on MTV. If they make
a shit record now and again it's a bad representation of the scene,
they've made plenty else besides Firestarted & Breathe y'know. If I
cried everytime I heard a shit "underground" record I wouldn't have time
to do anything else, if they are making shitloads of money I'm not at
all bitter, it's a shame that the media sucks all it can and gets it
wrong a lot - but why blame Liam etc for that. I get very tired off all
this nonsense, so they are popular so perhaps you don't like them either
so what.... The Chems are one of the newer acts in comparison, they shot
to fame fairly quick, I don't mind that either. All this fuss about MTV
is a load of bollocks, end of story. Goodnight.
Mark S-D
>Persinthia Lawdro <cow...@ix.netcom.com> wrote....
>>In article <334765c8...@news.wwa.com>, the...@wwa.com says...
>>the prodigy got the ball rolling for the mainstreaming and
>>commercializing of techno.
>
>Did they??? So are we to expect those Autechre and Black Dog MTV
>'Rockumentaries' soon???
>
Balls to that, if that happens I will go anti-techno. Actually, I did
see a rockumentry on rave culture, believe it or not everything, yes,
everything started with Planet Rock by Afrika Bambarta - the whole rave
scene happened in a nice straight line from this record, remember where
you heard it first.
>>but people like the prodigy aren't the problem. it's people like the
>>chemical brothers who are the problem.
Problem ? What problem ?
> they initally got exit planet
>>dust out when techno was still growing, and yeah, it's there.
Right, erm, techno started in 1994/5 huh ? Still growing MY ARSE, it was
growing around 87-88, by 90 it was established already, now it's huge
and sprouting little baby techno plants which are growing all over the
place......all shouting "feed me feed me feed me feed me!"
> but in
>>a.f. times (after firestarter, the complement to before firestarter
>>(bf) . i love blasphemestic refrences) they've gone and sold out. i
>>mean, i'm sure they're really good pals with noel gallagher and all,
>>but setting sun is just obviously a ploy to get more alternative
>>listeners.
>
Oh no, not that again. <Banging head against the wall, eyes screwed up>.
I think you big MTV fans over there are so f**king paranoid about this
sort of thing, your bullshit detectors are on full alert and they keep
triggering. Prodigy and Chems don't use guitar samples to get the
attention of the alternative scene followers. Why are guitars so out of
bounds ? Just because of the associations you have with them in your
mind thats all. I think I'll make up my own terms, BB - before bullshit,
before posts like this when people didn't get so uppity about stuff. And
DB - during bullshit, the situation I find myself in now. And AB, after
bullshit - a place in my mind I look forward to which I hope is in the
future sometime.....
>>record co execs dig that. now they've got a new cd out
>>(while they're hot) and look to be the forerunner in the
>>commercialization of techno (and they'll ride it all the way to the
>>bank).
>
Well record co execs might well dig that, so blame them don't blame the
artists, and just because the angle which the media hype people choose
to push the marketing in isn't agreeable, doesn't suddenly mean the
record is crap.
>Yep, I bet that was Tom and Ed's plan all along. In fact, I bet they
>strategically planned this move 4-5 years ago when they were still recording
>out of their bedrooms. Of course, no other bands in any other genres of music
>release albums while they are 'hot'. Only the Chemical Brothers. DAMN THEM TO
>HELL!!!!
>
He he ! Yes ! Damn those bastards. I'm throwing out my LP's immediatley.
I'm going to start getting into music which has been OKed by the techno
anti-fashion police. At the moment we are told it is fashionable to be
different so that's what everybody is doing <g>, but all to often this
means becoming more the same. So, what is the solution.......moaning
about it of course. It is the only option. <sigh>
>>this is the directiion that mainstreaming
>>will take, and despite the few genuine people who will look at the
>>music and be like "wow, this is good stuff", i'm more angered at the
>>countless millions who will be like "oh my god, THAT IS SO COOL!! GET
>>THE MARKER, THAT NAME'S GOING ON MY BAG (along with silverchair, bush,
>>nin, nirvana, pearl jam, 311, sublime, and all the other alternaschlub
>>bands i don't know)
>
Glory boy, you are much the same in your own way.
Times change, get used to it, you're getting old and wrinkly.
>Like you never did that when you were a teenager. Get out of here, you loser.
>Your worse than those people. Instead of appreciating the music, you're
>sitting here bitching about other people listening to YOUR music. That's
>really fucking mature.
>
Agreed & who cares what other people at the event like, you say you've
never even heard a lot of it, how can you possibly say it's a bad thing.
>
>>yah, my bitching all leads to one point
...and that is that you are a manbitch. A man with PMT 24-7 & forever.
>>fucks like the chemical
>>brothers
What does ? A gibbon on speed ?
> headlining over the orb and churning out new, shitty music on
>>a regular basis (someone look me with a straight face and tell me how
>>good block rockin beats is) make things bad.
It's a good record. :| There you go, I like the beats a lot, the vocal
wasn't that good me thinks, but it's a good track. It's dance music,
it's not about high art it's something to get down to. Don't be so
serious, have a party why don't you.
>
>>well, i wouldn't mind if the chem bros just up and died.
>You need some therapy
>if it bothers you that much.
>
Yep, you need to lighten up a bit.
>>though, i
>>would like to take that ugly girl from all their videos (and the mtv
>>commecials), grab her by one of her pigtails, and smash her into a
>>brick wall (this has nothing to do with the chem bros, she's just
>>sooooo repulsive and now overexposed that she needs it)
>
I bet she'd like to take a chainsaw to your nuts for saying that.
ChillNinja
>OK....I don't agree with most of what you say but I'll just keep quiet.
>Do you want me to put you in my kill file as well ? It might be easier
>just to post your comments to yourself & save us the bother.
Actually, while the rest of the world plays The Chemical Brothers' sex
slave pawns, I kinda liked seeing someone who didn't agree with the
masses. I can't stand them, and I do agree that their new album is nothing
special in the slightest. Plus, he does have a serious point in that The
Orb, opening for The Chemical Brothers, is just _wrong_, that's like
Metallica opening for Silverchair or some such nonsense. Dr Alex has
earned far, far more respect, created a much larger body of work, plus is
regarded as an innovator rather than just a good musician.
And The Chemical Brothers, whether they want to or not (and you have to
admit, it's kinda fun being a rock star, so I'm sure that they're pleased
with themselves) are contributing to this bastardization of techno and
rave culture being lapped up by the little children hungry for something
new and a place to buy drugs. So I, for one, besides being tired of seeing
COUNTLESS posts reading "The Chems are great! Buy this album!", think it's
great that not everyone wants to give them sixteen dollars for what in my
opinion, is just plain old mediocre work.
Peace!
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Aaron
Quit kidding yourselves--if any of you who were posting this
sanctimonious BS were to be approached by a major label for some tunes
you had threw together your moral convictions and allegiances to the
"underground" would last about as long as I last in bed (namely not
very). So quit bitchin about the Chem Bro's seelin out--cause I know for
a fact that if you saw a check for over a million none of you would
hesistate to signing your name on Sony's nice little contract. And as
to this whole mtv-mainstream thingy goes--wake up. "Raves" haven't been
"underground" for at least the past 5 years. All the rednecks at my
school were jumpin on that bandwagon back in 91-92. So quit foolin
yourselves..this style of music is anything all that esoteric..just
cause you got the new Rat Pack album or some shit--dont think you're all
up on the new trends--cause quite frankly you arent.
Mark Day
Ahhhhh..... whatever..... how about Alex & Co. nearly pissing their
career away on a couple of 'experimental' (or, depending on who you ask,
self indulgent and/or unlistenable) releases that took a critical &
commercial pasting, then 'rediscovering' their more mainstream
(relatively speaking) leanings just in time for techno-crazy '97...
y'know, i'm not suggesting that one way or the other, just kinda
pointing out how ludicrous it is for Orb fans to be wetting their pants
over whether or not Orb are headlining over the Chemicals... for the
record, both band names are as big as each other on the ads for the SF
dates. I'd rather see the Chems *first* cause they have more energy,
then Orb later, cause they're something to wind down to. But, y'know,
whatever... but i wouldn't consider that line up to be Orb headling or
Chems opening. You're talking about 2 entirely different experiences
and you're the one applying 'tired old rock' values to the concept of
opener/headliner. Maybe you should just stick to watching 'guitar'
bands, where there's a clear definition of who the *big* band are, and
who the *little* band are. Let's not even get into the status of who
spins between live sets (orb-affiliated d.j. lewis and ol' Alex are
advertised here.... does that make it more of an Orb show than if Chems
had brought, say, Justin Robertson with them... and do we care????)
Yer Pretty
>>I'm sure if your favirte techno/electronic artist suddenly became huge
overnight, you'd be defending them left and right.>>
well, im not the person you're talking to, but i think its safe to say
that im not defending prodigy at all, as they are/were one of my faves,
but maybe thats just because i'm pretty disappointed by the stuff thats
getting all the airplay
A. D. Collins
On 9 Apr 1997, ChillNinja wrote:
> special in the slightest. Plus, he does have a serious point in that The
> Orb, opening for The Chemical Brothers, is just _wrong_, that's like
> Metallica opening for Silverchair or some such nonsense.
Actually, according to the promoter, this is a 'coheadliner bill'.
later,
ash man
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ChillNinja wrote:
>
> >OK....I don't agree with most of what you say but I'll just keep quiet.
> >Do you want me to put you in my kill file as well ? It might be easier
> >just to post your comments to yourself & save us the bother.
>
> Actually, while the rest of the world plays The Chemical Brothers' sex
> slave pawns, I kinda liked seeing someone who didn't agree with the
> masses. I can't stand them, and I do agree that their new album is nothing
> Orb, opening for The Chemical Brothers, is just _wrong_, that's like
> earned far, far more respect, created a much larger body of work, plus is
> regarded as an innovator rather than just a good musician.
>
> And The Chemical Brothers, whether they want to or not (and you have to
> admit, it's kinda fun being a rock star, so I'm sure that they're pleased
> with themselves) are contributing to this bastardization of techno and
> rave culture being lapped up by the little children hungry for something
> new and a place to buy drugs. So I, for one, besides being tired of seeing
> COUNTLESS posts reading "The Chems are great! Buy this album!", think it's
> great that not everyone wants to give them sixteen dollars for what in my
> opinion, is just plain old mediocre work.
>
> Peace!
I have to agree... I wanted this record to be a megaton bomb that would
knock our socks off as well as please the masses (which anything they
put out now would do due to their strategic positioning and the heavy
marketing that will follow this record)... but unfortunately this record
is just a little... mediocre... I was hoping they would either get more
into abstract, huge soundscapes or get into more innovative popsong
writing... what we get instead is just an adequate collection which
basically goes over the same ground that they have already covered...
and what is the deal with sticking on Bsides like "get up on it"? All
in all a pretty weak collection... which is too bad because they were
poised to deliver an artistic and popular monster...
Andrew
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Persinthia Lawdro
In article <19970409114...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
chill...@aol.com says...
>Plus, he does have a serious point in that The
>Orb, opening for The Chemical Brothers, is just _wrong_,
Which is why that is not happening. It is being billed as a co-headlining
tour.
>And The Chemical Brothers, whether they want to or not (and you have to
>admit, it's kinda fun being a rock star, so I'm sure that they're pleased
>with themselves) are contributing to this bastardization of techno and
>rave culture
Why would they be contirbuting to the bastardization as you put it????
They've were around 4 years ago, when there was not even a slight hint at
techno becoming the next mainstream. All they are continuing to do now is
what they love and what they did back then. Is that a problem?? It's not
their fault that they are getting popular. Why are *you* so bothered by it.
I'm sure if your favirte techno/electronic artist suddenly became huge
overnight, you'd be defending them left and right. Why should it be different
with any other artist??
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Persinthia Lawdro
In article <334BC8...@prism.gatech.edu>, gt6...@prism.gatech.edu says...
>
>Quit kidding yourselves--if any of you who were posting this
>sanctimonious BS were to be approached by a major label for some tunes
>you had threw together your moral convictions and allegiances to the
Not true. Rabbit In The Moon has been sought after by many a major label and
has not even budged. In fact they are doing extremely well as their own
independent unit and I'm sure there are plenty of other techno artists that
will continue to operate the same way.
>very). So quit bitchin about the Chem Bro's seelin out--cause I know for
>a fact that if you saw a check for over a million none of you would
>hesistate to signing your name on Sony's nice little contract.
That may very well be for alot of people, but don't discount the fact that
many *other* people are just *not* in this thing for the money, but rather
for the art and love of making art.
Tom Ewing
> Prodigy and Chems don't use guitar samples to get the
>attention of the alternative scene followers. Why are guitars so out of
>bounds ? Just because of the associations you have with them in your
>mind thats all.
This is probably the most sensible thing I've read in this thread.
When people who are supposedly such lovers of sound manipulation and
so forward-looking about music start demarcating which sounds should
be used and which shouldn't it's time to give up altogether and move
on.
> I think I'll make up my own terms, BB - before bullshit,
>before posts like this when people didn't get so uppity about stuff. And
>DB - during bullshit, the situation I find myself in now. And AB, after
>bullshit - a place in my mind I look forward to which I hope is in the
>future sometime.....
Hee hee!
Tom.
Tom Ewing
On 9 Apr 1997 11:49:37 GMT, chill...@aol.com (ChillNinja) wrote:
>>OK....I don't agree with most of what you say but I'll just keep quiet.
>>Do you want me to put you in my kill file as well ? It might be easier
>>just to post your comments to yourself & save us the bother.
>
>Actually, while the rest of the world plays The Chemical Brothers' sex
>slave pawns, I kinda liked seeing someone who didn't agree with the
>masses. I can't stand them, and I do agree that their new album is nothing
>special in the slightest.
I think if you're coming from a techno purist point of view then "Dig
Your Own Hole" maybe isn't that special. But from my point of view
it's a damn good pop album, the best for years, with something really
very special indeed sitting on the end. The fact that an album I enjoy
this much is going to be massive is something I'm very happy about:
normally when I like something as much as I like "Dig Your Own Hole"
it sells between ten and a thousand copies and is never heard of
again.
> Plus, he does have a serious point in that The
>Orb, opening for The Chemical Brothers, is just _wrong_, that's like
>Metallica opening for Silverchair or some such nonsense. Dr Alex has
>earned far, far more respect, created a much larger body of work, plus is
>regarded as an innovator rather than just a good musician.
The Orb's first album is quite possibly better than anything the
Chemicals will ever do, but I don't think any of Dr Alex's stuff in
the last two or three years has been very innovative. Excellent though
"Toxygene" was, it was a shamelessly cynical retread of the Orb's past
to get all the fans who liked them better back in the day grinning.
And it worked (on me, at least). A pity "Orblivion" didn't measure up.
>And The Chemical Brothers, whether they want to or not (and you have to
>admit, it's kinda fun being a rock star, so I'm sure that they're pleased
>with themselves) are contributing to this bastardization of techno and
>rave culture
But you have to look at them in context, and that context is a UK -
specifically London - party scene which the Chemicals have been
involved with since '91-'92 and which relies precisely *on*
bastardizing techno, rock, hip-hop and anything else it wants to
create new music which is sometimes great, sometimes awful, but always
healthily mongrelised.
Tom.
Tom Ewing
On 9 Apr 1997 20:26:47 GMT, venus...@aol.com (Venus07746) wrote:
>WORD WORD WORD. Chem brothers are NOTHING. They stink. They are
>something new to the general population, but not new to those of us who
>have been around, and they're makin mad $$$ off a culture that is there to
>keep the groove and PLUR alive, not to be commercialized and played out by
>a mediocre band/musical group/djs/whatever! I prefer local NJ DJ chris
>see. Mad good techno, non commercialized, no $$ vibes, so I can dance n
>feel good HELL YEAH- Lets talk about some real DJs who really keep the
>culture going, who have SKILLS not the ability to please a massive
>congregation of teenage sheep, a bunch of record store mass youth culture
>ass-kissing big record label sold out band/whatever. Peace.
I don't like the implication that the only people who like the new
Chemicals album are ass-kissing teenage sheep. Most people I know who
love it are well out of their teens and into a far wider range of
music than your rantings would suggest. You're happy enough for you to
get to "dance and feel good", but not the "general population", oh no
- that would never do.
Oh, and where the Chemicals come from, dance music has been a "mass
youth culture" for almost ten years now.
And why is it that people who go on about PLUR and end their posts
with "Peace." tend to post the most blinkered comments? Or to put it
in language you'll understand....
WORD WORD WORD. The Chemical Brother$$$$$ have the mad skills. You
talk about PLUR but I say you be showing Sympathy, Harmony,
Intelligence: Total Energy! That's SHITE, my man. Peace off.
Tom.
Persinthia Lawdro
In article <19970409202...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
venus...@aol.com says...
>
>WORD WORD WORD. Chem brothers are NOTHING. They stink. They are
>something new to the general population, but not new to those of us who
>have been around, and they're makin mad $$$ off a culture that is there to
>keep the groove and PLUR alive,
Hey, asshead (since you are talking out of your ass, that's your new name).
No one ever said that the Chemicals were tryin to rip YOU away from your PLUR
culture. In fact, the Chemicals are what I like to call a rock band. They
play rock music. They DJ alot of techno music, but they collaborate with rock
musicians and use rock instruentation and therefore are not butting into your
precious 'I'm such an underground fucking head up my ass snob dance scene'.
So chill and go bust some of those weak Dj mixes you probably listen to.
Now, since I have explained this to you, you can go back to your little dead
as a door nail rave culture (died with the 90's I'm sorry) and stop talking
shit out of your ass.
That being said, the Chemicals have made the most slammin, wicked *rock*
album I have heard this year...that's right...it ROCKS!!!!!
Locke
Persinthia Lawdro wrote:
> They've were around 4 years ago, when there was not even a slight hint at
> techno becoming the next mainstream.
Uh, sorry. Four years ago techno was mainstream already.
Mind you, not all people on this earth live in the USA ...
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>who have SKILLS not the ability to please a massive
>congregation of teenage sheep, a bunch of record store mass youth culture
>ass-kissing big record label sold out band/whatever. Peace.
Kind of like AOL and it's bastardization of the internet and it's ripping off
of the mass culture. Isn't that where you are posting from.
PS - the Chemical Brothers are from the UK. The dance scene in the UK has
been huge for years and years and years. They have been around since the
early 90's and wer pretty famous at the Heavenly Social. Ever heard about
that club, mr. 'rave scene' expert. WORD on that Homie! Peace, Booooooy!!!!
Mark Day
Mode...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
> On Sun, 06 Apr 1997 09:18:43 GMT, min...@wwa.com (jim schaefer)
> wrote:
>
> >
> >disclaimer: this post is very elitist, so please save those elitist
> >remarks in the flaming of me. thank you.
> >
> >sure they had better stuff, but they're shit. evil shit at that.
> >
> >other people and the industry causing them to skyrocket like they did.
> >but they've gotten 2 songs out (and i've never heard breathe despite
> >hearing firestarter endless times).
> >
> >dust out when techno was still growing, and yeah, it's there. but in
> >a.f. times (after firestarter, the complement to before firestarter
> >(bf) . i love blasphemestic refrences) they've gone and sold out. i
> >mean, i'm sure they're really good pals with noel gallagher and all,
> >but setting sun is just obviously a ploy to get more alternative
> >(while they're hot) and look to be the forerunner in the
> >commercialization of techno (and they'll ride it all the way to the
> >bank).
> >
> >was even more thrilled to see that the orb were bumped down and the
> >chemical brothers were headlining and the gig was called "deep (1
> >will take, and despite the few genuine people who will look at the
> >music and be like "wow, this is good stuff", i'm more angered at the
> >countless millions who will be like "oh my god, THAT IS SO COOL!! GET
> >THE MARKER, THAT NAME'S GOING ON MY BAG (along with silverchair, bush,
> >nin, nirvana, pearl jam, 311, sublime, and all the other alternaschlub
> >truly appreciate the music and the artists would like to see.
> >
> >yah, my bitching all leads to one point that's seperate from this
> >post. i want to see rdj later on this year, and it's most likely
> >brothers headlining over the orb and churning out new, shitty music on
> >a regular basis (someone look me with a straight face and tell me how
> >good block rockin beats is) make things bad.
> >
> >would like to take that ugly girl from all their videos (and the mtv
> >commecials), grab her by one of her pigtails, and smash her into a
> >brick wall (this has nothing to do with the chem bros, she's just
> >sooooo repulsive and now overexposed that she needs it)
> >
> >
> >
> the point of making music so people with small minds(read the
> mainstream) can go about saying how global they are because they like
> techno(jungle, trip-hop, ambient etc.) I'm an independent filmmaker
> and I want to make films that touch me and others. I want to say
> something important about the human condition. Why the hell would I
> want hollywood to give me a multimillion dollar contract and cast Matt
> Dillion in my next film. What would be the point? So I could reach
> some punk teenager and his girlfriend and have him say " Yeah, I love
> his movies they're so dope man". Why would I want to waste my vision
> on him. I think the same thing applies to electronic music. You can
> reach the masses out there but do they even care.
Oh, grow up! Why do i suspect that 'i want to say something important
about the human condition' is an anagram of 'i'm a talent-free bunch of
arse'??? Actually, by far the funniest post on this thread so far, if
unintentionally so...
Mode...@ix.netcom.com
Corey M Goldberg
>
>PS - the Chemical Brothers are from the UK. The dance scene in the UK has
>been huge for years and years and years. They have been around since the
>early 90's and wer pretty famous at the Heavenly Social. Ever heard about
>that club, mr. 'rave scene' expert. WORD on that Homie! Peace, Booooooy!!!!
>
I agree. I was in London from August until about Christmas. After
seeing how techno/dance acts are treated there, I have a different
perspective. Acts like the prodigy and chemical brothers are VERY
mainstream. Because of the music scene and culture, these groups are
very mainstream without the bullshit that comes with success in the U.S.
So I believe it is the fault of MTV, Corporate record labels and the
conservative and stale music insutry we deal with. However, unlike most
genres of music, techno is not dominated by the American market. It is a
much more international scene than we have ever been exposed to in this
country. therefore, I don't think the success of certain acts in america is
going to harm a multinational culture. so if you don't like the chems or
prodigy or underworld or daft punk or whoever else you think is
"mainstream', just don't listen to them. theres so much fucking music
out there that we have access to. So enjoy what you like and fuck the rest.
Peace
-Corey
Fred Solinger
In article <5ii1km$m...@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com>,
cow...@ix.netcom.com (Persinthia Lawdro) wrote:
sup y'all,
not to flame or pick on you, persinthia, but reading your comments
really touched on something that I've been noticing a lot in the
"mainstream" press.
(a few "blue" comments deleted :P)
> In fact, the Chemicals are what I like to call a rock band. They
> play rock music. They DJ alot of techno music, but they collaborate with rock
> musicians and use rock instruentation and therefore are not butting into your
> precious 'I'm such an underground fucking head up my ass snob dance scene'.
> So chill and go bust some of those weak Dj mixes you probably listen to.
first, a little backrground on me: 1) i'm not a raver, 2) i don't listen
to "DJ mixes", unless the DJ is Tony Touch or Ron G. :D My musical
background varies greatly from the lot of you. Chem. Bros. is my first
reach into the "world of techno." Don't like Prodigy or Orb or Aphex
Twin, Underworld et. al.(please don't kill me :O) My tastes range from
60s soul to 70s funk to 80s hip-hop. I do dig tri-, uh, y'know the music
with Portishead, Sneaker Pimps, Tricky, Massive Attack, yadda yadda yadda
(are they even linked ina genre anymore?) :D and I do dig drum n'
bass/jungle (i'm from the States so you can imagine the big selection we
have over here :P) But coming from that background, there's one thing
that caught my attention with the Chemicals, the drums. The breakbeats
are killer. if you know anything about hip-hop, pre-1990, you'll know the
large role the drum break played in the music.
So, on to my point (yes, there is one :D.)Perhaps I've mischaracterized
your comments, but they seem similar to many of the reviews and articles
I have read: they don't talk about the influence of old-school hip-hop.
It may not be as strong an influence as other forms of music, but it's
there and they themselves have said it a number of times. Bambaata, Kool
Herc, Grand Wizard Theodore, Grand Master Flash...all of these
individuals are important to the Brothers. I would love to see a
collaboration with Public Enemy, because to me, the Chems, at times,
sound like a psychedelic version of the Bomb Squad.
But a lot of the "rock" press seems out of it when it comes to this
album. Hell, I read one review who said, "they'd be better if they lost
the repetitious drum samples." Sure, give 'em a real drummer and while
you're at it, get rid of those annoying turntables! :P
To a lot of you, the "Private Psychedelic Reel" is your favorite tune; to
me, it's a lot of noise. Give me "leave home" or "loops of fury" or
"block rockin' beats." But that's just me. It may not be my favorite
album of the year, but there are still a hell of a lot of good tunes.
> That being said, the Chemicals have made the most slammin, wicked *rock*
> album I have heard this year...that's right...it ROCKS!!!!!
>
It does rock, but it's also BANGIN'!! :D
peace...
fred
BTW, Persinthia, I saw in one of your other posts that Portishead has an
album due in October. Who are they signed with now? I thought I heard
that Go! went under.
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> The Orb's first album is quite possibly better than anything the
> Chemicals will ever do, but I don't think any of Dr Alex's stuff in
> the last two or three years has been very innovative. Excellent though
> "Toxygene" was, it was a shamelessly cynical retread of the Orb's past
> to get all the fans who liked them better back in the day grinning.
> And it worked (on me, at least). A pity "Orblivion" didn't measure up.
That completely depends on what you like about the Orb. Orblivion bears
more resemblence to Orbus Terrerum than to Adventures, except for the few
spoken-word samples (which LX swore off back when Ricky Lee's publisher
demanded 100% songwriting royalties for "Little Fluffy Clouds"). BTW, are
you trying to DANCE to the Orb? If so, stop immediately and put on a Chems
CD.
Personally, I don't think the Chems do anything better than EON was doing
over 10 years ago, but there's room in my philosophy for both the Chems and
the Orb.
Persinthia Lawdro
In article <334D17...@psygnosis.com>, md...@psygnosis.com says...
>> I'm sick of those bastards out there selling themselves out. What is
>> the point of making music so people with small minds(read the
>> mainstream) can go about saying how global they are because they like
>> techno(jungle, trip-hop, ambient etc.) I'm an independent filmmaker
>> and I want to make films that touch me and others. I want to say
>> something important about the human condition. Why the hell would I
>> want hollywood to give me a multimillion dollar contract and cast Matt
>> Dillion in my next film. What would be the point? So I could reach
>> some punk teenager and his girlfriend and have him say " Yeah, I love
>> his movies they're so dope man". Why would I want to waste my vision
>> on him. I think the same thing applies to electronic music. You can
>> reach the masses out there but do they even care.
>
>
>Oh, grow up! Why do i suspect that 'i want to say something important
>about the human condition' is an anagram of 'i'm a talent-free bunch of
>arse'??? Actually, by far the funniest post on this thread so far, if
>unintentionally so...
Thank God you don't live here in Los Angeles, Mark. People like that guy pack
the coffehouses and trendy hangouts by the busloads and pontificate on how
their filmmaking is gonna touch the world and 'praise' the common man. In
other words, they are full of themselves and probably couldn't write a decent
script that a monkey would want a part in.
Persinthia Lawdro
In article <334CA8...@some.place.in.the.universe>,
Lo...@some.place.in.the.universe says...
>
>Persinthia Lawdro wrote:
>> They've were around 4 years ago, when there was not even a slight hint at
>> techno becoming the next mainstream.
>Uh, sorry. Four years ago techno was mainstream already.
>Mind you, not all people on this earth live in the USA ...
Yes, but the orignal poster WAS from the the US and the thread IS dealing
with Techno becoming mainstream in the US by the likes of the Chemicals
Brothers and Prodigy.
Mark Day
In the words of Smashy & Nicey, "Wise words there, mate..." (another
meaningless UK reference inserted just to remind people that, at least
in some areas, the US is *not* the center of the world) I wuz thinking
'Bomb Squad' to myself yesterday & it's true that the Chems are keeping
'the noise' alive... and, yeah, it's funny to read a lot of reviews
basically saying 'this new fangled techno lark's OK, but if it could be
a bit more like the alt-rock groups we just got bored with it would be a
lot better...' but, I have to say, YOU"R MISSING THE POINT OF THE
THREAD, which is (if i remember correctly) that Tom and Ed Chem stand
accused of mugging an old lady and stealing her purse, they were also
spotted at a rave the other week pissing in the water bottles of all
those 'rave culture' club kids you see on Jerry Springer, when their
backs were turned so they could admire each other's stuffed-animal
backpacks. Then, they sent two clones to a gig (the 'Evil Bill' and
'Evil Ted' robots from Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey dressed in Urban
Outfitters new 'Ravey Davey' fashion line) to mime to an old transistor
radio, while the real Chemical Brothers sat laughing in their huge
mansions in London bought from the millions that Kurt Loader from MTV
personally delivered to them for rescuing the fading cable network from
ratings collapse, and i heard the short haired one's going to get the
gap between his teeth fixed so he can look better in videos and be ready
for that 'Vanity Fair' techno cover shoot, and frankly virtually anyone
on this newsgroup with a sampler could make better sounds than the Chems
do and, in fact, Maverick Records owner Madonna has been e-mailing most
of them daily offering multimillion dollar record deals and hot and cold
running blow jobs but they're turning them down because they wanna stay
true to the underground values of 'the scene', and someone somewhere has
a picture of the long haired Chemical Brother actually MURDERING someone
as part of an alledged 'satanic pact with the devil to sell more
records', and now all the kids will be wearing those see-thru' yellow
specs that were so cool before he started wearing them in every photo
shoot so we've had to throw all ours away so as not to be seen as
bandwagon jumpers...
In other words, while it would be nice to discuss, say, what Terminator
X and the Chems might come up with together, the kids have MORE
IMPORTANT MATTERS TO DEAL WITH!
Y'DIG?
WORD! PEACE! OUTTA HERE!
hohohohohoho.....
ChillNinja
>Why would they be contirbuting to the bastardization as you put it????
>techno becoming the next mainstream. All they are continuing to do now is
>what they love and what they did back then. Is that a problem?? It's not
>their fault that they are getting popular. Why are *you* so bothered by
it.
Hey, if you're around for ten years, great. Four years, great. One year,
great. What I'm driving at is not that there's anything wrong with them.
Just because I don't think that they're very good doesn't mean that
they're not great people. What I am getting at is that I think it's
fucking *hilarious* that someone takes out a post calling them "evil shit"
while the rest of the world lines up to give them their first born.
>I'm sure if your favirte techno/electronic artist suddenly became huge
>overnight, you'd be defending them left and right. Why should it be
different
>with any other artist??
My favorite artist of all time came not from being obscure, but from being
a joke. Remember Kill Mother Fucking Depeche Mode? Remember how rampant it
was three years ago at a concert, in a magazine, whatever? "Whatever I've
done... has been staring down the barrel of a gun..." OH GOD DEPECHE MODE
WOW OH NEAT! But I surely don't give a damn. They don't need me to clog
bandwidth and extoll their virtues to anyone who got a computer for
Christmas.
Persinthia Lawdro
In article <334ccdb9...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, Mode...@ix.netcom.com
says...
>Why would I want to waste my vision
>on him. I think the same thing applies to electronic music. You can
>reach the masses out there but do they even care.
That was the single most snobby and disgusting comment I have read on this
thread. Is your vision SO precious and great that only a cretain FEW can
share it??? This is what I hate about the independent filmmaker mentality and
why I've completely abandoned the film business in general.
You are no worse than the multimillionare executives. Just as snobby and
elitsit.
A. D. Collins
On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, AJ Wells wrote:
> and what is the deal with sticking on Bsides like "get up on it"?
Remembering that the Chemical Brothers are djs, it was quite fun to hear
"Get Up On It Like This" mixed into the album. That is what they started
out doing, after all.
Besides, the DYOH b-sides so far are excellent in their own right.
"Morning Lemon" should've been on the album.
Mark S-D
>I prefer local NJ DJ chris
>> see. Mad good techno, non commercialized, no $$ vibes, so I can dance n
>> feel good HELL YEAH- Lets talk about some real DJs who really keep the
>> congregation of teenage sheep, a bunch of record store mass youth culture
>> ass-kissing big record label sold out band/whatever. Peace.
>>
where would we be eh ?
Rezpekkt.
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Tom Ewing
On 10 Apr 1997 21:37:24 GMT, cow...@ix.netcom.com (Persinthia Lawdro)
wrote:
>>Oh, grow up! Why do i suspect that 'i want to say something important
>>about the human condition' is an anagram of 'i'm a talent-free bunch of
>>arse'??? Actually, by far the funniest post on this thread so far, if
>>unintentionally so...
>
>Thank God you don't live here in Los Angeles, Mark. People like that guy pack
>the coffehouses and trendy hangouts by the busloads and pontificate on how
>their filmmaking is gonna touch the world and 'praise' the common man.
If this is the case, they need to go and see the mighty 'Barton Fink'
(my favourite film of all time). Meanwhile, the Chemical Brothers'
album is still brilliant, though intensive listening discerns a
dangerous sagging in quality at the start of side two,
Peace, Love, et bloody cetera
Tom
Tom Ewing
On Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:51:53 -0600, fsol...@nac.net (Fred Solinger)
wrote:
>In article <5ii1km$m...@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com>,
> cow...@ix.netcom.com (Persinthia Lawdro) wrote:
> sup y'all,
>
> not to flame or pick on you, persinthia, but reading your comments
>really touched on something that I've been noticing a lot in the
>"mainstream" press.
Hardly a flame, fella - more like a great and informative post.
>To a lot of you, the "Private Psychedelic Reel" is your favorite tune; to
>me, it's a lot of noise. Give me "leave home" or "loops of fury" or
>"block rockin' beats." But that's just me. It may not be my favorite
>album of the year, but there are still a hell of a lot of good tunes.
Old skool hip-hop is a *massive* influence on the Chemical Brothers,
and you've been reading the wrong papers if you haven't seen that
acknowledged. Sure, some reviews have been keen to stress the rock
continuity of the album (MOJO, for example), but that's probably out
of ignorance as to the real influences behind it as much as anything
else.
As for "PPR", you need to listen again, my friend :). It's my
favourite tune on the album, due in no small part to that fact that
Mercury Rev are my favourite rock band right now (Fushitsusha aside,
but their music wouldn't translate too well to a hip-hop context!).
That's not to say that the stuff you mention doesn't rock the party.
Indeed, the first side of the Chemicals album is for me a fantastic
extended example of superb beat manipulation in the service of pop. In
other words, just because we heads dig "Private Psychedelic Reel",
doesn't mean we don't stop worrying and love the rest of the bomb. As
it were.
Tom.
Mikey
On Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:36:30 -0700, Mark Day <md...@psygnosis.com>
wrote:
>>> record co execs dig that. now they've got a new cd out
>> >(while they're hot) and look to be the forerunner in the
>> >commercialization of techno (and they'll ride it all the way to the
>> >bank).
Commercialization? As in implying future tense? Sorry guys, techno
was commercialised ages ago, now they are working on drum'n'bass
(where it is really at, BTW)
>> >i was thrilled to find out the orb were coming to town (chicago). i
>> >was even more thrilled to see that the orb were bumped down and the
>> >chemical brothers were headlining and the gig was called "deep (1
>> >second pause) rave '97". this is the directiion that mainstreaming
>> >will take, and despite the few genuine people who will look at the
>> >music and be like "wow, this is good stuff", i'm more angered at the
>> >countless millions who will be like "oh my god, THAT IS SO COOL!! GET
>> >THE MARKER, THAT NAME'S GOING ON MY BAG (along with silverchair, bush,
>> >nin, nirvana, pearl jam, 311, sublime, and all the other alternaschlub
>> >bands i don't know) and proceed to sell out the shows that many who
>> >truly appreciate the music and the artists would like to see.
>> >
>> >yah, my bitching all leads to one point that's seperate from this
>> >post. i want to see rdj later on this year, and it's most likely
>> >going to be some farce like deep rave '97. fucks like the chemical
>> >brothers headlining over the orb and churning out new, shitty music on
>> >a regular basis (someone look me with a straight face and tell me how
>> >good block rockin beats is) make things bad.
>> >
>> >well, i wouldn't mind if the chem bros just up and died. though, i
>> >would like to take that ugly girl from all their videos (and the mtv
>> >commecials), grab her by one of her pigtails, and smash her into a
>> >brick wall (this has nothing to do with the chem bros, she's just
>> >sooooo repulsive and now overexposed that she needs it)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >contact: min...@wwa.com
>> >website: http://shoga.wwa.com/~mindway/
>> I'm sick of those bastards out there selling themselves out. What is
>> the point of making music so people with small minds(read the
>> mainstream) can go about saying how global they are because they like
>> techno(jungle, trip-hop, ambient etc.) I'm an independent filmmaker
>> and I want to make films that touch me and others. I want to say
>> something important about the human condition. Why the hell would I
>> want hollywood to give me a multimillion dollar contract and cast Matt
>> Dillion in my next film. What would be the point? So I could reach
>> some punk teenager and his girlfriend and have him say " Yeah, I love
>> his movies they're so dope man". Why would I want to waste my vision
>> on him. I think the same thing applies to electronic music. You can
>> reach the masses out there but do they even care.
>
>
>Oh, grow up! Why do i suspect that 'i want to say something important
>about the human condition' is an anagram of 'i'm a talent-free bunch of
>arse'??? Actually, by far the funniest post on this thread so far, if
>unintentionally so...
Sorry, forgot you gut are in America, s'pose techno would be
mainstream about now!
Mikey
tsol ti
Mikey
On 9 Apr 1997 11:49:37 GMT, chill...@aol.com (ChillNinja) wrote:
<snip>
>And The Chemical Brothers, whether they want to or not (and you have to
>admit, it's kinda fun being a rock star, so I'm sure that they're pleased
>with themselves) are contributing to this bastardization of techno and
>rave culture being lapped up by the little children hungry for something
>new and a place to buy drugs. So I, for one, besides being tired of seeing
>COUNTLESS posts reading "The Chems are great! Buy this album!", think it's
>great that not everyone wants to give them sixteen dollars for what in my
>opinion, is just plain old mediocre work.
At last....a voice of reason!
Mikey
tsol ti
Dave
>I'm sick of those bastards out there selling themselves out. What is
>the point of making music so people with small minds(read the
>mainstream) can go about saying how global they are because they like
>techno(jungle, trip-hop, ambient etc.) I'm an independent filmmaker
How elitest. "Hey man, the only good music is underground! All the popular
bands are a bunch of sellouts!!!". Please, what a bunch of bullshit.
Personally I choose my music based on talent, how it sounds, and/or the message
it conveys. I don't choose my music based on popularity. I like bands that are
mega-popular and many that are hardly heard of. A person's talent and the
message that they convey doesn't have shit to do with the money that they get.
Personally I think that mega-popular techno is AWESOME because it exposes people
to a form of music that not everyone knew about before. I never would have
liked some of the non-popular techno that I like if it weren't for people like
the Chem's that got me into techno as a form of music. I can't stand how a band
is "underground" then they get popular and everyone says "they've changed man,
they sold out" when the band is still making original good music. Maybe some
people sell out when they get popular but to assume that a band is bad just
because they are popular is total busllshit. Conveying your message to a huge
audience of people is not a bad thing. The more people's viewpoints we are
exposed to in life, the closer we get to a true sense of reality.
You know what I love about letters like the previous one...there's no talk about
the music. No valid critisizm of WHY the music sucks other than because they
are popular. The argument is a total fallacy...it's almost funny!!
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In article <334d7aa8...@nntp.netcruiser>,
tew...@netcomuk.co.uk wrote:
> Old skool hip-hop is a *massive* influence on the Chemical Brothers,
> and you've been reading the wrong papers if you haven't seen that
> acknowledged. Sure, some reviews have been keen to stress the rock
> continuity of the album (MOJO, for example), but that's probably out
> of ignorance as to the real influences behind it as much as anything
> else.
>
You're right, most do acknowledge, but mostly as a cursory reference
("Kevin Murray does a guest vocal spot", can't remember where I saw that
one) or a glancing reference to public enemy. Mostly they tout it's rock
leanings and how it is the "bridge" (they seem to love this word :D)
between rock and techno. as for that claim, i really don't see it. techno
is starting to be integrated into alternative rock stations, and the
results are somewhat questionable. my friend is a big "rock" fan, but
anytime the prodigy or the chem. bros. come on, watch that hand fly to
the dial! still, i imagine he likes it better than what we yanks call
"dance music" :D
> As for "PPR", you need to listen again, my friend :). It's my
> favourite tune on the album, due in no small part to that fact that
> Mercury Rev are my favourite rock band right now (Fushitsusha aside,
> but their music wouldn't translate too well to a hip-hop context!).
Yeah, i did. i can dig it, my initial comments on the song were hasty, to
say the least, but it still does sound like a "bunch of noise." :D but,
i'll have to listen to it again when i get a chance.
> That's not to say that the stuff you mention doesn't rock the party.
> Indeed, the first side of the Chemicals album is for me a fantastic
> extended example of superb beat manipulation in the service of pop.
indeed. :D but on each subsequent listen, they strike me as a "poppier"
(is there such a word? and if there is, i certainly don't think it's a
bad word. :D) DJ Shadow. but as i like to say, "it's all good." :D
peace...
fred
Mark S-D
Mark Day <md...@psygnosis.com> wrote....
>In the words of Smashy & Nicey, "Wise words there, mate..." (another
>meaningless UK reference inserted just to remind people that, at least
>in some areas, the US is *not* the center of the world)
Got a post the other day asking me to phone bored (& sexy) housewives on
a high rate number in the US because I'm a true American. Whoever those
crazy guys are who are doing this, I just wanna say this.......
One is not amused !
>YOU"R MISSING THE POINT OF THE
>THREAD,
<great bit snipped for space!>
>Maverick Records owner Madonna has been e-mailing most
>of them daily offering multimillion dollar record deals and hot and cold
>running blow jobs but they're turning them down because they wanna stay
>true to the underground values of 'the scene',
They're not trying HARD ENOUGH ! Only last night I made a brilliant
track, took the only copy of the disk (encrypted) up north in my car
with blacked out windows threw it down a pit, spat on it, covered it in
concrete burnt the fucking village and shot myself. I wouldn't expect
anything less of my fellow techno underground pioneers !
>
>In other words, while it would be nice to discuss, say, what Terminator
>X and the Chems might come up with together, the kids have MORE
>IMPORTANT MATTERS TO DEAL WITH!
>
>Y'DIG?
>
I dig. It's obvious to me that when you are out, with a mad track at
50Kwatts surrounded by people with your ribs vibrating with the bass and
a feeling like you're brains about to explode in pure love & awe....it's
very important if the person next to you has the right thing written on
the right bag, there for the right reasons, that they didn't go by what
MTV said yesterday, and if they are the artist should not be trying to
get their attention (they should turn the volume down when such people
step in and kindly ask them to leave). Perhaps a tea room could be
provided for such people, and a mini-bus service every half hour, a
letter could be sent to their parents advising them to make sure proper
educational standards in ravey davey culture are reached. We could all
get together and work out how the "end of rave-tests" could be set.
The difference between a 909 & a 303, what are Jeremy Healys sexual
habits, how to spot a duff mix....you get the general idea.
>WORD! PEACE! OUTTA HERE!
>
YO YO YA RUFF RUFF DOPE BEATS BLAH PEACE ON MY FACE RUDEBOY etc....
PLUR to you, you & you - oh, no...not you, yes but maybe you yes...& you
Persinthia Lawdro
In article <19970410223...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
chill...@aol.com says...
>What I am getting at is that I think it's
>fucking *hilarious* that someone takes out a post calling them "evil shit"
>while the rest of the world lines up to give them their first born.
Maybe so, but it's not too hilarious when some dumbass like the original
poster rants on and on about how elitist he is and how Chemical Brothers are
destroying his *precious* scene. I mean, there's certain artists I don't
like, but I don't post lame flame bait, whilst praising my own
'underground-cool' status. Come on, it's like the guy was pronouncing 'I have
no life therefore I'll talk a bunch of bollocks for no reason whatsoever'
If thinks the Chems suck and are ruining his 'cool-raver' image, fine, don't
tell the world about it.
ChillNinja
>Maybe so, but it's not too hilarious when some dumbass like the original
>poster rants on and on about how elitist he is and how Chemical Brothers
are
>destroying his *precious* scene. I mean, there's certain artists I don't
>like, but I don't post lame flame bait, whilst praising my own
>'underground-cool' status. Come on, it's like the guy was pronouncing 'I
have
>no life therefore I'll talk a bunch of bollocks for no reason whatsoever'
A good point that I forgot, but judge not lest ye be judged yourselves.
The hate mail I received just for saying "Yes, me too, I think they blow
goats and swallow" was tremendous, and those are the freaks I see the need
to attack.
peace,
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