1963 lyrical meaning?
Ed Hidden
song?
I have an idea of the song.. and my girlfriend has a different meaning.
If anyone knows the true story could they please email me about it...
Thanks
Ed
dustbin
well, according to Barney Sumner, it was his take on JFK's love affair
with Marilyn Monroe. You see, Johnny boy wanted to have his wife Jackie
assassinated so that he can be with Marilyn. Unfortunately, the bullet
hit him instead. Far out...
[dustbin]
lee
Furthermore, the complete theory behind the assasination, perfected by
Sumner and Hook, is as follows:
JFK wants to marry Monroe and therefore hires Rubin whose profession is to
get people killed. Rubin contacts Oswald to do the job, but misses and hits
the client, JFK instead. Since Rubin doesn't want bad reputation on the
market, he'll have to have Oswald "fixed".
End of story. Quite far out. Did I mention that True Faith was on drugs?
Peter Wood
>
> Could someone give me a little background on the lyrical meaning of this
> song?
I always thought it was something to do with one of the kennedys (you
know spoilt american presidential types), I forget which one of them
it was, but if you know anything about the clan you could probably
work it out from the lyrics.
Simon Stuart
> Could someone give me a little background on the lyrical meaning of this
> song?
>
> I have an idea of the song.. and my girlfriend has a different meaning.
>
> If anyone knows the true story could they please email me about it...
Oh god, not again...
This is the vague gist of what Barney said in some songbook I found a few
years ago:
Barney has a theory (and no, I don't suppose he's serious) that Kennedy
wanted to get rid of his wife. The song supposes that JFK set up a sniper
to pick her off; I suppose the narrator is Jackie's ghost come back to
haunt him.
Barney reckons Kennedy's plan went wrong (quite *badly* wrong) and he got
killed himself; the song's meant to explore what could have been.
Or something.
Cheers,
Simon
spa...@tattoo.ed.ac.uk
James O'Malley
>Furthermore, the complete theory behind the assasination, perfected by
>Sumner and Hook, is as follows:
>JFK wants to marry Monroe and therefore hires Rubin whose profession is to
>get people killed. Rubin contacts Oswald to do the job, but misses and hits
>the client, JFK instead. Since Rubin doesn't want bad reputation on the
>market, he'll have to have Oswald "fixed".
>End of story. Quite far out. Did I mention that True Faith was on drugs?
What are your sources for this information? I've heard a different
story according to the book "Dreams Never End."
In it Barney says it has something to do with a Vietnam Vet who comes
home and kills his wife/girlfriend.
"And though he was ashamed that he had took a life"
Suggests killing another, maybe during a war.
"Johnny came home with another wife"
Suggests Vietnam Bride.
"And he often remembered how it used to be
Before that special occasion 1963"
Maybe he remembered how his life was before he went off to war, and
everything was ruined.
1963 was a tumultuous year in many ways. Some say it was turning
point not just because of JFK. There was civil unrest, an unpopular
war, changing attitudes, etc. '63 was not just punctuated by a single
event (JFK assassination).
Anyway, the endless debate goes on <G>.
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He says it was JANUARY 1963...
But the assassination was in November...
And besides, if this was the theory, how is it being expressed? As if it
had actually happened. It makes ne mention of the plot's failure.
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Simon Stuart
> well, according to Barney Sumner, it was his take on JFK's love affair
> with Marilyn Monroe. You see, Johnny boy wanted to have his wife Jackie
> assassinated so that he can be with Marilyn. Unfortunately, the bullet
> hit him instead. Far out...
Thank god for that! Someone else has heard this story. I was beginning to
wonder if it was just me going mad...you know, imagining bizarre New
Order lyrical explanations.
What's clear, though, is that this is one of the band's less opaque
offerings; I mean, even if you can't work out exactly what Barney's on
about (and who can?) it's still a pretty clear allusion to the whole
Kennedy affair.
Cheers,
Simon
spa...@tattoo.ed.ac.uk
fernando
7277...@compuserve.com (James O'Malley) wrote:
~: lee <16...@hhss.se> wrote:
~:
~: >Furthermore, the complete theory behind the assasination, perfected by
~: >Sumner and Hook, is as follows:
~:
~: >JFK wants to marry Monroe and therefore hires Rubin whose profession is to
~: >get people killed. Rubin contacts Oswald to do the job, but misses and hits
~: >the client, JFK instead. Since Rubin doesn't want bad reputation on the
~: >market, he'll have to have Oswald "fixed".
~:
~: >End of story. Quite far out. Did I mention that True Faith was on drugs?
~:
~:
~: What are your sources for this information? I've heard a different
~: story according to the book "Dreams Never End."
That is not a story... but Mr. Flowers' interpretation, which is quite
different. What people post here is what Barney wrote in a song book.
Hence
why Mr. Flowers' book is not that good -- his speculation/impressions are
written almost as the outcome of an interview, which is very misleading. A
waste of money IMHO. It breaks the spirit of the group to let the fans
have their own interpretation of the songs. If he would have gotten the
info from the band, then it would be a different thing.
~: In it Barney says it has something to do with a Vietnam Vet who comes
~: home and kills his wife/girlfriend.
In 1963, it was mostly "advisors" in Vietnam. The full conflict did not
get going until after JFK's death.
"my chest is burning, like if someone set my soul alight"-- the Chameleons
"heart and soul... one will burn" -- Joy Division
"death is not the answer, for your soul may burn in hell"-- the The
awri...@gmail.com
> Could someone give me a little background on the lyrical meaning of this
> song?
>
> I have an idea of the song.. and my girlfriend has a different meaning.
>
> If anyone knows the true story could they please email me about it...
>
>
>
> Ed
I believe "Johnny" came home with a wife, as the son says. the singer is talking about their friendship and so on. I think they were in love and Johnny didn't want to admit this being that it was as far back as 1963. they were lovers and he decided to kill his lover than to have that hang over the rest of his life, now being married and all..