Sewage backing up into this newsgroup

[Smarty]

This newsgroup has become a cesspool filled with
hatred and moronic racism. The trolls appear to have spewed their
disgusting crap all over the place.

Transforming good and beneficial things into vile and hate filled things
seems to be the agenda. Very sad.....

[Uncle Monster]

It's so tragic that everyone doesn't meet your high standards. I learned long ago that the world is full of people who have different opinions and patterns of behavior. I decided to simply hate everyone equally until they gave me a reason not to. My strategy has worked as evidenced by the fact that I've never killed anyone or gone to prison for choking the crap out of anybody. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Angelic Monster

[Smarty]

You apparently missed my entire point. These newsgroups were set up to
exchange topic-related relevant information and instead are being filled
with racist rants and slurs. If you aren't in any way offended by what
is going on here, good for you. I am not offering a moral high ground,
rather, an appeal to not feed the trolls who are transforming this and
other newsgroups into a smelly toilet.

[Don Y]

Newsgroups (esp the alt hierarchy) are typically unmoderated. No
"newsgroup police" to enforce any particular set of "rules". Your
participation is voluntary -- no one is forcing you to read them.
Also, it's a "pull" technology; you incur very little cost for
posts that you CHOOSE NOT TO VIEW.

Learn to use a kill file and/or exercise self-discipline.

If these are beyond your abilities, I suggest you subscribe
to any "home repair forum" (google should turn up more hits than
you have time to explore!). There, comments tend to be policed
either by moderators or other forum participants. You can probably
maintain your anonymity in most of them, as well!

(though you will find they "cost" more to view as you end up
pulling down large *pages* of "conversations" instead of individual
"messages"; you may also have to tolerate some bit of advertising
or UCE)

[Oren]

On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 15:24:09 -0400, Smarty <nob...@nobody.com> wrote:

>You apparently missed my entire point. These newsgroups were set up to
>exchange topic-related relevant information and instead are being filled
>with racist rants and slurs. If you aren't in any way offended by what
>is going on here, good for you. I am not offering a moral high ground,
>rather, an appeal to not feed the trolls who are transforming this and
>other newsgroups into a smelly toilet.

Bless your pea picken heart. ALT newsgroups are specifically intended
to be anarchist in nature, not some left wing liberal socialist group.
Does your mother give good head? Take your ass to a moderated group
where folks control what you say, bitch!

[FrozenNorth]

In theory you are correct, in practice you are an idiot. Trolls have
been on alt groups forever and will always be here, use your brain, if
you have one.

--
Froz...

Quando omni flunkus, moritati

[Oren]

I want to know if his mother is a splitter or does she swallow.

We need to get to the real facts.

[philo]

sheesh man, use a filter

[Earl]

This has been in the making for at least 10 years. Alt building
construction & Alt HVAC used to be good ones too. When the founder Paul
of HVAC left, he seen it coming for years.

Usually I use this group for obituaries. Someone usually reports some
old timer kicking.

The Garden Web has good home forums. It's moderated, so too much shit
doesn't hang around long before it gets flushed and the ISP gets banned.
But then again since it got bought by Houzz it's going downhill.

[Uncle Monster]

I've always considered the newsgroup to be analogous to the discussion you might come across between a bunch of guys at a supply house or hardware store. The rest of the guys will tell the most unpleasant individuals to STFU and get lost. There is no way to killfile anyone when you're using Google Groups. You can only flag a post as abusive. ^__^

[8~{} Uncle Post Monster

[Smarty]

I worked at the parts department counter at a local electronics supply
house. I often wind up at automotive, plumbing, and counters at local
HVAC and electrical supply distributors. I can say very confidently that
groups or individuals who came in reciting poems about niggers, making
juvenile references to their dicks, asking an adult about blow jobs,
etc. would be the ones to be told to STFU and leave. I can killifile
these dumb and pathetic morons and ignore them. But the smell of shit on
this newsgroup just keeps getting worse. And clearly a few of you like
it that way,

[CRNG]

On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 18:45:15 +0000 (UTC), Smarty <nob...@nobody.com>
wrote in <mvrgjr$mvj$1...@dont-email.me>

Well Smarty-pants, bend over and someone will apply the Vasoline. See
if that will make you less sad. Or just fuck off to Starbucks for a
Latte Grande. Maybe Hillary and Huma will stop in while you are
there.
--
Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers
and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one.
Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those
newspapers delivered to your door every morning.

[Pat]

That is an interesting comparison. As a child, I used to learn a lot
at those kinds of places. I imagine the individuals or groups you
refer to would censor their stories when they saw a child was present,
but those who didn't were told to STFU as you say. In either case, it
was educational to hear the on-topic discussions as well as how the
good guys reacted to the inappropriate individuals. Now, compare that
to this newsgroup. Would you bring your child to a place like this?
Or, recommend they ask questions here to help them learn? Years ago,
I would have said yes, but not with the current situation. Sad.

[Don Y]

Would you let your child watch OTA TV? CATV? Listen to "pop" music?
Read "popular" magazines? Graphic novels? And, what about the
*classics*? (Oedipus? OhMiGod!!) etc.

Chances are, you would have very little choice in those matters.
You would try to FILTER whatever you could. But, more importantly,
you would EDUCATE your child to be able to recognize what is "right"
and "wrong" for themselves! Hiding these things from them does them
a disservice (what happens when mommy and daddy aren't around to shield
them from The Big Bad World?)

I grew up in a very blue collar community. Multiple ethnicities.
"Ethnic jokes" were commonplace (irish, polish, italian, black,
spanish, jewish, etc.). Chances are, the guy who was TELLING the
joke was of the ethnicity belittled *by* the joke!

Yet, it was clear from even a very young age that these were JOKES
playing on stereotypes and stereotypes were distortions of reality,
not *fact*. No one was foolish enough to suggest that the attributes
exploited in the jokes applied to "real people" -- especially evident
when you *knew* those "real people" first hand!

[bob_villa]

On Friday, October 16, 2015 at 1:47:28 PM UTC-5, Smarty wrote:

Personally, I agree with you...but I would have left your statement stand, without replying. Instead, many A-holes here chose to indict you for having an opinion...further strengthening your thoughts...

[Don Y]

I guess *they* aren't entitled to an opinion? Or, by your reasoning,
is the OP *also* an A-hole?

[bob_villa]

My reasoning *IS* my opinion...I choose to agree with the OP. I said "many"...if you want to include yourself, that's your purgative.

[Don Y]

Yet, you indicted those "others" who voiced THEIR opinions to
the contrary of the OP -- labeling them A-holes in the process.

If you (and the OP) are entitled to an opinion, then surely *they*
are, as well!?

[And, if you read -- carefully -- what I wrote, I didn't explicitly
include nor exclude myself from that grouping]

I've never understood the whining that people engage in re: this
sort of issue. If you don't like what is being said, THEN DON'T READ
IT! Instead, the push is to CENSOR other folks' speech.

It doesn't take much effort to sort out the posts you can safely ignore
(because the individuals engage in discourse that you find unappealing).
If you don't want to be exposed to "sin", live in a monastery (I guess
novitiates fondling each other isn't considered "sin" :> ).

Personally, I have software that examines message content and just elides
messages that it "knows" I don't want to bother reading. It also
"learns" which posts (individuals) I "avoid" and, over time, filters
those out so I'm not inconvenienced by their presence. I.e., *it*
does the "remembering" *for* me!

But, for a group with this little traffic, you should be able to mentally
track who to read and who to pass by...

[bob_villa]

On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 11:51:11 AM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:
> On 10/17/2015 8:25 AM, bob_villa wrote:

> > My reasoning *IS* my opinion...I choose to agree with the OP. I said

> > "many"...if you want to include yourself, that's your puragative.

>
> Yet, you indicted those "others" who voiced THEIR opinions to
> the contrary of the OP -- labeling them A-holes in the process.
>
> If you (and the OP) are entitled to an opinion, then surely *they*
> are, as well!?
>
> [And, if you read -- carefully -- what I wrote, I didn't explicitly
> include nor exclude myself from that grouping]
>
> I've never understood the whining that people engage in re: this
> sort of issue. If you don't like what is being said, THEN DON'T READ
> IT! Instead, the push is to CENSOR other folks' speech.
>
> It doesn't take much effort to sort out the posts you can safely ignore
> (because the individuals engage in discourse that you find unappealing).
> If you don't want to be exposed to "sin", live in a monastery (I guess
> novitiates fondling each other isn't considered "sin" :> ).
>
> Personally, I have software that examines message content and just elides
> messages that it "knows" I don't want to bother reading. It also
> "learns" which posts (individuals) I "avoid" and, over time, filters
> those out so I'm not inconvenienced by their presence. I.e., *it*
> does the "remembering" *for* me!
>
> But, for a group with this little traffic, you should be able to mentally
> track who to read and who to pass by...

You're starting to sound more and more like T-4. Wordy, pompous, and tedious... But you are intelligent...one consolation!

[Uncle Monster]

I don't killfile anyone, even when I have a newsreader that has that capability. I like to watch the patterns of troll behavior to guess when a certain troll will tire of being ignored. I have responded to a few just to see if they have any imagination but they all seem to be little more than sophomoric cretins not worth my time. A really good troll with imagination can be a lot of fun but those I've seen lately are dull, repetitive and not very entertaining at all. Dammit! Where did all the good trolls go?! o_O

[8~{} Uncle Bored Monster

[Uncle Monster]

There are just no quality trolls anymore. A good troll is like one of the old classic stand up comics who didn't use foul language because they were skilled at using the spoken word to paint a mental picture that made people laugh. My favorite comics were quite mental. ^__^

[8~{} Uncle Mental Monster

[Uncle Monster]

I WANNA BE A AHOLE! ME ME ME PLEEEZ! I WANNA BE A AHOLE! I NEVER GET TO BE THE AHOLE! WHY CANT I BE THE AHOLE? THE OTHER KIDS GET TO BE AHOLES! ITS NOT FAIR!

[8~{} Uncle Brat Monster

[Uncle Monster]

"Purgative"? Is that something like a "catharsis"? o_O

[8~{} Uncle Unrestrained Monster

[Ameri...@sbcglobal.net]

On Friday, October 16, 2015 at 1:47:28 PM UTC-5, Smarty wrote:

Yes, some trolls can be witty and humorous. Everyone is entitled to their opinions; however, some of those here are simply cowards who are only brave enough to speak under cover of anonymity. They get their kicks out of putting others down. They would never have the guts to stand up and express their opinions in public in front of others. They enjoy being small-minded.

[Dean Hoffman]

On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 22:55:18 -0500, Uncle Monster <uncl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I don't killfile anyone, even when I have a newsreader that has that
> capability. I like to watch the patterns of troll behavior to guess when
> a certain troll will tire of being ignored. I have responded to a few
> just to see if they have any imagination but they all seem to be little
> more than sophomoric cretins not worth my time. A really good troll with
> imagination can be a lot of fun but those I've seen lately are dull,
> repetitive and not very entertaining at all. Dammit! Where did all the
> good trolls go?! o_O
>
> [8~{} Uncle Bored Monster

I guess people used to pay tons of money so they could sit in
front at Vegas clubs where Don Rickles could see and insult them.
Then there was Dave Chappelle who played a black Klansman on his TV show.
Either would make a good troll.


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Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

[Uncle Monster]

On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 6:32:21 AM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 22:55:18 -0500, Uncle Monster <fu...@fraker.com>

> wrote:
>
> > I don't killfile anyone, even when I have a newsreader that has that
> > capability. I like to watch the patterns of troll behavior to guess when
> > a certain troll will tire of being ignored. I have responded to a few
> > just to see if they have any imagination but they all seem to be little
> > more than sophomoric cretins not worth my time. A really good troll with
> > imagination can be a lot of fun but those I've seen lately are dull,
> > repetitive and not very entertaining at all. Dammit! Where did all the
> > good trolls go?! o_O
> >
> > [8~{} Uncle Bored Monster
>
> I guess people used to pay tons of money so they could sit in
> front at Vegas clubs where Don Rickles could see and insult them.
> Then there was Dave Chappelle who played a black Klansman on his TV show.
> Either would make a good troll.
> --
>

The good old stand up comics didn't have to use foul language like most of the modern contemporary comics. It takes real talent to be funny without cursing continuously. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Funny Monster

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 10/18/2015 8:53 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:

>> --
>>
> The good old stand up comics didn't have to use foul language like most of the modern contemporary comics. It takes real talent to be funny without cursing continuously. o_O
>
> [8~{} Uncle Funny Monster
>

That would be like Red Skelton. Buddy Hacket at Vegas or AC is a whole
nother story.

[Dean Hoffman]

I'm almost too young to discuss Jack Benny, Groucho, and Jackie
Gleason with
you characters.

[bob_villa]

...or Milton Berl, Ernie Kovaks, Steve Allen? I believe Prof. Irwin Corey is still alive! ...remember him from "Playboy After Dark" with Hugh Heffner after wrestling on Saturday night!

[Uncle Monster]

When I was a kid, the whole family gathered around the black and white TV to watch the Red Skelton show. He was able to entertain both the young and the old. I found a listing of some of the others we watched as a family. This was back when a wealthy family had two television sets. My family was lucky to have one B&W TV. ^__^

http://www.redskelton.com/

"Jack Benny, Sid Caesar, Martin & Lewis, Red Skeleton, Lucille Ball, Art Carney, Jackie Gleason, Phil Silvers, George Burns & Gracie Allen, Milton Berle, Ernie Kovacs, Victor Borge, Imogene Coca, Henny Youngman, Mel Blanc, Spike Milligan, Peter Sellers, Wally Cox, Groucho Marx and The Marx Brothers, Jimmy Durante, Danny Kaye, Buddy Hackett, Jack Lemmon, Carl Reiner, Mort Sahl, Mike Nichols and Elaine May, and Fred Allen. I can't leave out The Three Stooges"

American society was very different back in those days. o_O

[8~{} Uncle TV Monster

[ChairMan]

Buddy was genius
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF3SRUVKwPU

[ChairMan]

But ya left out Abbott and Costello and Laurel and Hardy
!!!!

[Moe DeLoughan]

On 10/16/2015 5:13 PM, Earl wrote:
> On 10/16/2015 2:45 PM, Smarty wrote:
>>
>>
>> This newsgroup has become a cesspool filled with
>> hatred and moronic racism. The trolls appear to have spewed their
>> disgusting crap all over the place.
>>
>> Transforming good and beneficial things into vile and hate filled
>> things
>> seems to be the agenda. Very sad.....
>>
> This has been in the making for at least 10 years. Alt building
> construction & Alt HVAC used to be good ones too. When the founder
> Paul of HVAC left, he seen it coming for years.
>

Paul was a major contributor to the destruction of alt.hvac, by
turning it into a clique where only he and his toadies were allowed to
post without suffering constant harassment. They drove everybody else
away, and eventually, when only a handful of regulars were left, Paul
left, too.

[Don Y]

Sorry you apparently can't see the meaning behind the initial *few* words
that necessitated the followup words!

Restating my initial comment re: your objection to those who weren't
"in total sympathy" with the OP's comment:

I guess *they* aren't entitled to an opinion? Or, by your reasoning,
is the OP *also* an A-hole?

Which I later expanded upon:

Yet, you indicted those "others" who voiced THEIR opinions to
the contrary of the OP -- labeling them A-holes in the process.

If you (and the OP) are entitled to an opinion, then surely *they*
are, as well!?

And offered the SIMPLE ADVICE to folks who don't like what they read
(in a forum that has no enforced rules and VOLUNTARY participation):

I've never understood the whining that people engage in re: this
sort of issue. If you don't like what is being said, THEN DON'T READ
IT! Instead, the push is to CENSOR other folks' speech.

Wordy? Pompous? Tedious??

I consider it just an obvious truth that needed "extra words" because
you disliked the criticism of YOUR criticism.

Hey, guess what? I *never* name-shift! So, you can simply add a
filter that removes all posts "From" Don Y and be spared the
bother of my Wordy, Pompous and Tedious posts! Won't that make you
feel SO much better??

[Oren]

On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 13:20:50 -0700, Don Y
<blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

>Hey, guess what? I *never* name-shift! So, you can simply add a
>filter that removes all posts "From" Don Y and be spared the
>bother of my Wordy, Pompous and Tedious posts! Won't that make you
>feel SO much better??

Don, He is trolling you. Just like a poster I call "Malformed". A
couple of folks here like to entertain them. I'm busy.

[Don Y]

<shrug> I would prefer to give folks the benefit of the doubt
when trying to learn something. But, as I've said, I have no
skin in the game -- how he chooses to operate his computers
is entirely up to him. He can choose to research the issues
I've addressed -- or not. :>

Like you, however, "I'm busy" and don't have the time to do
research *for* him (that won't educate or benefit *me* in
any way). :-/

Time to start picking lemons!

[bob_villa]

On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 3:20:31 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:
> On 10/17/2015 3:36 PM, bob_villa wrote:

> > You're starting to sound more and more like T-4. Wordy, pompous, and
> > tedious... But you are intelligent...one consolation!
>
> Sorry you apparently can't see the meaning behind the initial *few* words
> that necessitated the followup words!

>

> I guess *they* aren't entitled to an opinion? Or, by your reasoning,
> is the OP *also* an A-hole?
>
> Which I later expanded upon:
>
> Yet, you indicted those "others" who voiced THEIR opinions to
> the contrary of the OP -- labeling them A-holes in the process.
>
> If you (and the OP) are entitled to an opinion, then surely *they*
> are, as well!?

...I try to make this simple...you were not insulting him but others were, hence they are A-holes. You read more into things than are there...
"Opinions *are* like assholes...unless you have a colostomy!"

[Tekkie®]

Uncle Monster posted for all of us...

>
> I WANNA BE A AHOLE! ME ME ME PLEEEZ! I WANNA BE A AHOLE! I NEVER GET TO BE THE AHOLE! WHY CANT I BE THE AHOLE? THE OTHER KIDS GET TO BE AHOLES! ITS NOT FAIR!
>
> [8~{} Uncle Brat Monster
>

I grant the thy wish! I know my assholes and you are one.

--
Tekkie

[Tekkie®]

Uncle Monster posted for all of us...


>

> "Purgative"? Is that something like a "catharsis"? o_O
>
> [8~{} Uncle Unrestrained Monster
>
>

Before colonoscopy.

--
Tekkie

[bob_villa]

Took you awhile to catch that... (sign you, Unc. bifocal monster)