OT: Just days after one mass shooting, New Zealand banned all assault rifles

[trader_4]

Not only future sales, but they will buy back and confiscate the ones
already in the hands of citizens.


https://www.vox.com/2019/3/21/18272741/new-zealand-assault-weapons-ban-us-gun-laws

In the USA, we can't even get a set of uniform, reasonable laws across
the country. In FL, for example, you can have 21 visits by the cops
to your house for violence and trouble, the cops can know that you're being
treated for mental illness through those visits and there is no procedure,
no permit process, nothing stopping you from walking into Dicks and buying
all the guns you want. We know what happened next. Now that Trump has used
his national emergency for a wall, I would not be surprised for the next
Democrat president to try it with regard to new emergency gun laws.

[Dean Hoffman]

Here's a list of national emergencies:
<https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-many-national-emergencies-have-been-called-by-presidents/>

"According to the Brennan Center, there have been 58 national
emergencies called by presidents since 1979. Thirty-one of those
national emergencies are still in effect."

I have some things to do so haven't looked through the list, just
noticed how many
there are.

[trader_4]

It's true, there have been a lot and over everything from something
happening in Bosnia, to Cuba shooting down a small civilian plane.
That's in Trump's favor. On the other hand, I don't think you can find
any where Congress considered the president's request to take action,
refused to do what he wanted and then the president acted anyway. But I've
said here before that I think the SC will likely find that the president
has the power to declare the emergency. The 1979 legislation doesn't
spell out criteria for what constitutes an emergency and I think the SC
will say, we're not getting involved in that aspect. But then you have
the issue of what all the laws say about the various govt agencies that
Trump is going to try to take money from. The courts may find that because
of the various laws, he can take money from one, say Homeland Security,
but not another, say the military.

[Rod Speed]

trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> wrote

> Not only future sales, but they will buy back and
> confiscate the ones already in the hands of citizens.

No they will not buy back and confiscate ALL assault rifles.

> https://www.vox.com/2019/3/21/18272741/new-zealand-assault-weapons-ban-us-gun-laws

Just because some fuckwit journo claims something...

> In the USA, we can't even get a set of uniform, reasonable laws across
> the country. In FL, for example, you can have 21 visits by the cops
> to your house for violence and trouble, the cops can know that you're
> being
> treated for mental illness through those visits and there is no procedure,
> no permit process, nothing stopping you from walking into Dicks and buying
> all the guns you want. We know what happened next. Now that Trump has
> used
> his national emergency for a wall, I would not be surprised for the next
> Democrat president to try it with regard to new emergency gun laws.

Because your constitution has a right to bear arms. NZ's doesn’t.

[Bod]

> The way it looks to me is that the US is being indirectly controlled
by the NRA and religion. A bad recipe in my humble opinion.
Am I wrong?
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[Rod Speed]

"Bod" <bodr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 21/03/2019 22:30, trader_4 wrote:
>> Not only future sales, but they will buy back and confiscate the ones
>> already in the hands of citizens.
>>
>>
>> https://www.vox.com/2019/3/21/18272741/new-zealand-assault-weapons-ban-us-gun-laws
>>
>> In the USA, we can't even get a set of uniform, reasonable laws across
>> the country. In FL, for example, you can have 21 visits by the cops
>> to your house for violence and trouble, the cops can know that you're
>> being
>> treated for mental illness through those visits and there is no
>> procedure,
>> no permit process, nothing stopping you from walking into Dicks and
>> buying
>> all the guns you want. We know what happened next. Now that Trump has
>> used
>> his national emergency for a wall, I would not be surprised for the next
>> Democrat president to try it with regard to new emergency gun laws.

> The way it looks to me is that the US is being indirectly controlled by
> the NRA and religion.

Not really controlled by religion given that abortion
is now legal and most religions oppose that.

> A bad recipe in my humble opinion.

No evidence any of your opinions are humble.

> Am I wrong?

Yes.

[devnull]

On 3/22/19 3:33 AM, Bod wrote:
> On 21/03/2019 22:30, trader_4 wrote:
>> Not only future sales, but they will buy back and confiscate the ones
>> already in the hands of citizens.
>>
>>
>> https://www.vox.com/2019/3/21/18272741/new-zealand-assault-weapons-ban-us-gun-laws
>>
>> In the USA, we can't even get a set of uniform, reasonable laws across
>> the country.  In FL, for example, you can have 21 visits by the cops
>> to your house for violence and trouble, the cops can know that you're being
>> treated for mental illness through those visits and there is no procedure,
>> no permit process, nothing stopping you from walking into Dicks and buying
>> all the guns you want.  We know what happened next.  Now that Trump has used
>> his national emergency for a wall, I would not be surprised for the next
>> Democrat president to try it with regard to new emergency gun laws.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> > The way it looks to me is that the US is being indirectly controlled by the NRA and religion. A bad recipe in my humble opinion.
> Am I wrong?

I'll take NRA and religion over Ocasio-Kotex's socialism any day.

[Bod]

On 22/03/2019 07:33, Bod wrote:
> On 21/03/2019 22:30, trader_4 wrote:
>> Not only future sales, but they will buy back and confiscate the ones
>> already in the hands of citizens.
>>
>>
>> https://www.vox.com/2019/3/21/18272741/new-zealand-assault-weapons-ban-us-gun-laws
>>
>>
>> In the USA, we can't even get a set of uniform, reasonable laws across
>> the country.  In FL, for example, you can have 21 visits by the cops
>> to your house for violence and trouble, the cops can know that you're
>> being
>> treated for mental illness through those visits and there is no
>> procedure,
>> no permit process, nothing stopping you from walking into Dicks and
>> buying
>> all the guns you want.  We know what happened next.  Now that Trump
>> has used
>> his national emergency for a wall, I would not be surprised for the next
>> Democrat president to try it with regard to new emergency gun laws.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> > The way it looks to me is that the US is being indirectly controlled
> by the NRA and religion. A bad recipe in my humble opinion.
> Am I wrong?
>

> Or more accurately, they both have far too much influence.

[Peeler]

On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:20:47 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:

> trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> wrote
>
>> Not only future sales, but they will buy back and
>> confiscate the ones already in the hands of citizens.
>
> No they will not buy back and confiscate ALL assault rifles.
>
>> https://www.vox.com/2019/3/21/18272741/new-zealand-assault-weapons-ban-us-gun-laws
>
> Just because some fuckwit journo claims something...

Pathological Mr Know-it-all knows it ALL better, AGAIN! LMAO

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[Peeler]

On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 19:03:58 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:

>> The way it looks to me is that the US is being indirectly controlled by
>> the NRA and religion.
>
> Not

LOL

>> A bad recipe in my humble opinion.
>
> No

LOL

>> Am I wrong?
>
> Yes.

LOL

Our resident pathological auto-contradictor struck again! LMAO!

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[trader_4]

On the other hand, look at the loons on the left. The likes of Warren
and Cortez would confiscate all guns if they had their way. Me? I'm just
one of the reasonable people in the middle.

[Bod]

>Yeah, it needs more folk in the middle, IMO.
At the momemt there's the two extreme parties who are so far apart from
each other. Plus it's all the disrespect from both sides.

[trader_4]

And sadly, especially in the GOP, anyone who dares to try to compromise with
the other side on anything, is vilified by the extremists, labeled a no good
RINO (Republican in name only). We'll see what happens with DACA, the illegals
brought here as children years ago, most of whom are now adults with jobs,
families, homes, etc. Pelosi is going to work on that. I think that's a
very smart move going into the election. Trump claims to care about them,
to want a solution, but he has never publicly proposed one or gotten behind
any. So, the Democrats will show that they have a proposal, it will go
nowhere because of the Senate, but it will show that at least they will
put something on the table.

What we need is a leader. That's what leaders do, they propose a rational
solution, sell it, line up support for it. Trump is the antithesis of that.
He just rants and raves, stirs up division, all to play to his base.
He had the outlines of a DACA deal a year ago, $25 bil for his wall,
give legal status to 800K DACA plus another 800K more when he reached
a deal with Schumer. It lasted just hours and then Kelly called up
Schumer and told him the deal was off. We don't know what happened, who
Trump talked to, etc. Schumer also pulled the plug a couple days later,
he too would have had trouble selling it to his base and he decided it's
not worth it. Which gets to another fatal flaw with Trump. He changes
his mind, his policies from tweet to tweet. So, on these hard, difficult
and dangerous to politicians careers issues, who will trust him, get
behind him, put their jobs on the line, take heat, only to see him change
his mind and walk away? He's done that many times now.

I see no solutions to anything going into the election. Just a big,
nasty pot of division, with the voters having to make a choice again.

[Rod Speed]

"Bod" <bodr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

news:gfk3gb...@mid.individual.net...

Not really feasible with gun ownership with their constitutional guarantee.

They already have that with religion now that abortion is legal there.

> At the momemt there's the two extreme parties who are so far apart from
> each other.

Yes, but that’s even more true of your country.

> Plus it's all the disrespect from both sides.

Ditto with brexit.

[Rod Speed]

"trader_4" <tra...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:66942bfb-c178-4cd7...@googlegroups.com...

Worked so brilliantly for Obama.

> Trump is the antithesis of that.
> He just rants and raves, stirs up division, all to play to his base.

That’s very arguable with Syria which has in fact worked
much better than any other US intervention since Bosnia.

> He had the outlines of a DACA deal a year ago, $25 bil for his wall,
> give legal status to 800K DACA plus another 800K more when he reached
> a deal with Schumer. It lasted just hours and then Kelly called up
> Schumer and told him the deal was off. We don't know what happened, who
> Trump talked to, etc. Schumer also pulled the plug a couple days later,
> he too would have had trouble selling it to his base and he decided it's
> not worth it. Which gets to another fatal flaw with Trump. He changes
> his mind, his policies from tweet to tweet. So, on these hard, difficult
> and dangerous to politicians careers issues, who will trust him, get
> behind him, put their jobs on the line, take heat, only to see him change
> his mind and walk away? He's done that many times now.

> I see no solutions to anything going into the election. Just a big,
> nasty pot of division, with the voters having to make a choice again.

But now that Hitlary isnt going to run again, the voters could very well
end up with a pretty clear choice between some pretty radical socialist
stuff with the Dems and Trump. Remains to be seen if any of the radical
socials stuff will appeal to many who voted for Trump last time.

Not that it matters, very few presidents ever get much done.

[Peeler]

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 03:06:27 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:

<FLUSH senile idiot's senile drivel>

Stay out of normally evolved humans' threads, senile psychopath!

[Peeler]

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 02:46:49 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:

>
> Ditto with brexit.

Brexit? None of yours, Ozzietard!