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Home Guy
Nov 16, 2011, 10:18:41 PM11/16/11
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Now tell me that this is a wise, prudent, necessary or productive use of
tax dollars...
No wonder you're going bankrupt as a country. One city at a time, one
bank at a time, one family at a time.
===================================
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/16/drone-gives-texas-law-enforcement-birds-eye-view-on-crime/
Drone Gives Texas Law Enforcement Bird's-Eye View on Crime
The Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office is weeks away from launching an
unmanned aerial asset to help deputies fight crime. The ShadowHawk
helicopter is six-feet long, weighs fifty pounds and fits in the back of
an SUV.
http://a57.foxnews.com/video.foxnews.com/thumbnails/111611/640/360/640/360/111611_gutierrez_drone2_640.jpg
“We can put it over a fire, put it over a hazmat spill, put it over a
house with a suspect barricaded inside and literally give the incident
commander the ability to look at the entire scene with a bird’s eye
view, ” Chief Deputy Randy McDaniel said.
Sheriff’s deputies will fly the ShadowHawk with nothing more than a
laptop computer and a remote control similar to that used for video
games.
It’s equipped with an infrared camera that can clearly read a license
plate from an elevation of twelve hundred feet. The helicopter cost
upwards of $300,000 and was purchased with a grant from the federal
government.
Vanguard Defense Industries built the helicopter. The company has also
supplied aerial assets to US forces over seas.
Critics argue the drone-like vehicle isn’t safe, because it’s unmanned.
“I gotta tell you, it sort of looks like boys and their toys, ” said
Terri Burke, Executive Director of the ACLU of Texas. “We’re giving up
our privacy, we’re letting the government have way too much power.”
The ACLU is concerned that technology used by law enforcement officials
in general is getting ahead of people’s privacy. No one has complained
to the ACLU about the Montgomery County helicopter, but some fear it
could be used to spy on people.
“The Constitution spells out very clearly that we have a right to
privacy, ” Burke said.
“This sheriff’s office has better things to do with its time then spy on
people, ” McDaniel argued. "That’s not our mission. The only way that
it’s going to be an invasion of their privacy is if they are committing
some type of a criminal act where we might utilize this to catch them.”
tax dollars...
No wonder you're going bankrupt as a country. One city at a time, one
bank at a time, one family at a time.
===================================
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/16/drone-gives-texas-law-enforcement-birds-eye-view-on-crime/
Drone Gives Texas Law Enforcement Bird's-Eye View on Crime
The Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office is weeks away from launching an
unmanned aerial asset to help deputies fight crime. The ShadowHawk
helicopter is six-feet long, weighs fifty pounds and fits in the back of
an SUV.
http://a57.foxnews.com/video.foxnews.com/thumbnails/111611/640/360/640/360/111611_gutierrez_drone2_640.jpg
“We can put it over a fire, put it over a hazmat spill, put it over a
house with a suspect barricaded inside and literally give the incident
commander the ability to look at the entire scene with a bird’s eye
view, ” Chief Deputy Randy McDaniel said.
Sheriff’s deputies will fly the ShadowHawk with nothing more than a
laptop computer and a remote control similar to that used for video
games.
It’s equipped with an infrared camera that can clearly read a license
plate from an elevation of twelve hundred feet. The helicopter cost
upwards of $300,000 and was purchased with a grant from the federal
government.
Vanguard Defense Industries built the helicopter. The company has also
supplied aerial assets to US forces over seas.
Critics argue the drone-like vehicle isn’t safe, because it’s unmanned.
“I gotta tell you, it sort of looks like boys and their toys, ” said
Terri Burke, Executive Director of the ACLU of Texas. “We’re giving up
our privacy, we’re letting the government have way too much power.”
The ACLU is concerned that technology used by law enforcement officials
in general is getting ahead of people’s privacy. No one has complained
to the ACLU about the Montgomery County helicopter, but some fear it
could be used to spy on people.
“The Constitution spells out very clearly that we have a right to
privacy, ” Burke said.
“This sheriff’s office has better things to do with its time then spy on
people, ” McDaniel argued. "That’s not our mission. The only way that
it’s going to be an invasion of their privacy is if they are committing
some type of a criminal act where we might utilize this to catch them.”
John Wayne
Nov 16, 2011, 10:54:22 PM11/16/11
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"Home Guy" <Ho...@Guy.com> wrote in message
news:4EC47D11...@Guy.com...
> Now tell me that this is a wise, prudent, necessary or
> productive use of
> tax dollars...
>
> No wonder you're going bankrupt as a country. One city at
> a time, one
> bank at a time, one family at a time.
>
Yup, law enforcement is big business here and is basically
> productive use of
> tax dollars...
>
> No wonder you're going bankrupt as a country. One city at
> a time, one
> bank at a time, one family at a time.
>
catch-and-release operation.
The police catch the criminals and the cry-baby juries find
them innocent and release them.
And as you've pointed out, we spend an obscene amount of
money along the way.
What the world needs is a 100% foolproof lie detector and a
rapid-reset guillotine.
Pete C.
Nov 16, 2011, 11:31:26 PM11/16/11
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of wildfires, I expect it will earn it's keep.
Mr. Austerity
Nov 17, 2011, 2:25:09 AM11/17/11
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taxes, health care, and the legal system on who gets ur money before the
final trip out of this world.
95% of those charged with a crime plea guilty or no contest only the
really guilty and really innocent risk going to trial.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/corr2.cfm
harry
Nov 17, 2011, 2:28:20 AM11/17/11
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On Nov 17, 3:54 am, "John Wayne" <j...@void.nul> wrote:
> "Home Guy" <H...@Guy.com> wrote in message
i thought that was waterboarding? Soon to become normal policy
according to your presidential hopefulls.
> "Home Guy" <H...@Guy.com> wrote in message
according to your presidential hopefulls.
harry
Nov 17, 2011, 2:26:09 AM11/17/11
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On Nov 17, 3:18 am, Home Guy <H...@Guy.com> wrote:
> Now tell me that this is a wise, prudent, necessary or productive use of
> tax dollars...
>
> No wonder you're going bankrupt as a country. One city at a time, one
> bank at a time, one family at a time.
>
> ===================================
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/16/drone-gives-texas-law-enforcemen...
> Now tell me that this is a wise, prudent, necessary or productive use of
> tax dollars...
>
> No wonder you're going bankrupt as a country. One city at a time, one
> bank at a time, one family at a time.
>
> ===================================
>
>
> Drone Gives Texas Law Enforcement Bird's-Eye View on Crime
>
> The Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office is weeks away from launching an
> unmanned aerial asset to help deputies fight crime. The ShadowHawk
> helicopter is six-feet long, weighs fifty pounds and fits in the back of
> an SUV.
>
> http://a57.foxnews.com/video.foxnews.com/thumbnails/111611/640/360/64...
> Drone Gives Texas Law Enforcement Bird's-Eye View on Crime
>
> The Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office is weeks away from launching an
> unmanned aerial asset to help deputies fight crime. The ShadowHawk
> helicopter is six-feet long, weighs fifty pounds and fits in the back of
> an SUV.
>
was useless anyway.
Kurt Ullman
Nov 17, 2011, 6:29:22 AM11/17/11
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In article <4EC47D11...@Guy.com>, Home Guy <Ho...@Guy.com> wrote:
> Now tell me that this is a wise, prudent, necessary or productive use of
> tax dollars...
>
> No wonder you're going bankrupt as a country. One city at a time, one
> bank at a time, one family at a time.
>
Seems a ton cheaper than a regular chopper. Nice for intensive
> Now tell me that this is a wise, prudent, necessary or productive use of
> tax dollars...
>
> No wonder you're going bankrupt as a country. One city at a time, one
> bank at a time, one family at a time.
>
surveillance of high crime areas, overhead coverage during SWAT call
outs, good for looking for lost kids in wooded areas or nefarious
individuals on the run, traffic tie-ups, etc.
You might want to impart to the ACLU Dude that he is wrong. "
“The Constitution spells out very clearly that we have a right to
privacy, ” Burke said."
Even in Griswold decision, the Court ruled that the right of
privacy, ” Burke said."
privacy wasn't in the wording but in the penumbra of other rights.
--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz
HeyBub
Nov 17, 2011, 6:33:19 AM11/17/11
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whom have never committed a crime.
HeyBub
Nov 17, 2011, 6:36:43 AM11/17/11
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Home Guy wrote:
>
> The ACLU is concerned that technology used by law enforcement
> officials in general is getting ahead of people's privacy. No one has
> complained to the ACLU about the Montgomery County helicopter, but
> some fear it could be used to spy on people.
>
> "The Constitution spells out very clearly that we have a right to
> privacy, " Burke said.
>
I know it's presumptuous of me to correct an ACLU lawyer, but the word
>
> The ACLU is concerned that technology used by law enforcement
> officials in general is getting ahead of people's privacy. No one has
> complained to the ACLU about the Montgomery County helicopter, but
> some fear it could be used to spy on people.
>
> "The Constitution spells out very clearly that we have a right to
> privacy, " Burke said.
>
"privacy" does not appear in the Constitution.
A "right" to privacy HAS been found, however, in the "penumbras and
emanations" of that document, but only in cases involving sex (birth
control, abortion, and sodomy).
Robert Macy
Nov 17, 2011, 8:15:13 AM11/17/11
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On Nov 16, 8:18 pm, Home Guy <H...@Guy.com> wrote:
> Now tell me that this is a wise, prudent, necessary or productive use of
> tax dollars...
>
> No wonder you're going bankrupt as a country. One city at a time, one
> bank at a time, one family at a time.
>
> ===================================
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/16/drone-gives-texas-law-enforcemen...
> Now tell me that this is a wise, prudent, necessary or productive use of
> tax dollars...
>
> No wonder you're going bankrupt as a country. One city at a time, one
> bank at a time, one family at a time.
>
> ===================================
>
>
> Drone Gives Texas Law Enforcement Bird's-Eye View on Crime
>
> The Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office is weeks away from launching an
> unmanned aerial asset to help deputies fight crime. The ShadowHawk
> helicopter is six-feet long, weighs fifty pounds and fits in the back of
> an SUV.
>
> http://a57.foxnews.com/video.foxnews.com/thumbnails/111611/640/360/64...
> Drone Gives Texas Law Enforcement Bird's-Eye View on Crime
>
> The Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office is weeks away from launching an
> unmanned aerial asset to help deputies fight crime. The ShadowHawk
> helicopter is six-feet long, weighs fifty pounds and fits in the back of
> an SUV.
>
unnoticed? wonder if they'll go after one of those?
It is my understanding that the City of San Jose, California very
proudly added to their tools for crowd control, low frequency
vibration equipment !! Although deemed 'safe', like a stun gun, there
is a potential for lethality.
More importantly, why does the city of San Jose need crowd control?!
the most docile city, the city most accepting of c*** in the world?
Just WHAT is govt planning to shove down our throats next?
George
Nov 17, 2011, 8:27:37 AM11/17/11
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On 11/16/2011 10:18 PM, Home Guy wrote:
> Now tell me that this is a wise, prudent, necessary or productive use of
> tax dollars...
>
> No wonder you're going bankrupt as a country. One city at a time, one
> bank at a time, one family at a time.
>
It would help to set your hatred of the US aside and think objectively.
> Now tell me that this is a wise, prudent, necessary or productive use of
> tax dollars...
>
> No wonder you're going bankrupt as a country. One city at a time, one
> bank at a time, one family at a time.
>
You do know that big cities already have aerial observation platforms in
the form of much more expensive to operate helicopters? If you were
trying to be prudent with tax dollars do you think accomplishing many of
those missions with less expensive equipment would be a good thing?
Robert Green
Nov 17, 2011, 8:58:05 AM11/17/11
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"George" <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:ja3242$ddh$1...@dont-email.me...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/04/human-feet-washing-up-on-shore-in-british-columbia-canada.html
> You do know that big cities already have aerial observation platforms in
> the form of much more expensive to operate helicopters? If you were
> trying to be prudent with tax dollars do you think accomplishing many of
> those missions with less expensive equipment would be a good thing?
In addition, they make less of a mess when they fall out of the sky and land
on something. It's a win/win situation. You don't lose a pilot/co-pilot,
you don't lose a million dollar chopper and you don't get sued by the
survivors or relatives of people crushed in a crash. Police departments
will still need choppers in large cities for tasks that can't be done by
drones. I don't think drones can support "night sun" floodlights or carry
sharpshooters or canine units, but I'm sure they'll have their uses. If I
know cops, within months they'll have a accurate database of every
attractive nude roof sunbather in the area.
--
Bobby G.
news:ja3242$ddh$1...@dont-email.me...
> On 11/16/2011 10:18 PM, Home Guy wrote:
> > Now tell me that this is a wise, prudent, necessary or productive use of
> > tax dollars...
> >
> > No wonder you're going bankrupt as a country. One city at a time, one
> > bank at a time, one family at a time.
> >
>
>
> It would help to set your hatred of the US aside and think objectively.
Careful, HomeGuy could be the infamous Canadian foot chopper! (-:
> > Now tell me that this is a wise, prudent, necessary or productive use of
> > tax dollars...
> >
> > No wonder you're going bankrupt as a country. One city at a time, one
> > bank at a time, one family at a time.
> >
>
>
> It would help to set your hatred of the US aside and think objectively.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/04/human-feet-washing-up-on-shore-in-british-columbia-canada.html
> You do know that big cities already have aerial observation platforms in
> the form of much more expensive to operate helicopters? If you were
> trying to be prudent with tax dollars do you think accomplishing many of
> those missions with less expensive equipment would be a good thing?
on something. It's a win/win situation. You don't lose a pilot/co-pilot,
you don't lose a million dollar chopper and you don't get sued by the
survivors or relatives of people crushed in a crash. Police departments
will still need choppers in large cities for tasks that can't be done by
drones. I don't think drones can support "night sun" floodlights or carry
sharpshooters or canine units, but I'm sure they'll have their uses. If I
know cops, within months they'll have a accurate database of every
attractive nude roof sunbather in the area.
--
Bobby G.
BobR
Nov 17, 2011, 10:28:32 AM11/17/11
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On Nov 16, 9:18 pm, Home Guy <H...@Guy.com> wrote:
> Now tell me that this is a wise, prudent, necessary or productive use of
> tax dollars...
>
> No wonder you're going bankrupt as a country. One city at a time, one
> bank at a time, one family at a time.
>
> ===================================
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/16/drone-gives-texas-law-enforcemen...
> Now tell me that this is a wise, prudent, necessary or productive use of
> tax dollars...
>
> No wonder you're going bankrupt as a country. One city at a time, one
> bank at a time, one family at a time.
>
> ===================================
>
>
> Drone Gives Texas Law Enforcement Bird's-Eye View on Crime
>
> The Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office is weeks away from launching an
> unmanned aerial asset to help deputies fight crime. The ShadowHawk
> helicopter is six-feet long, weighs fifty pounds and fits in the back of
> an SUV.
>
> http://a57.foxnews.com/video.foxnews.com/thumbnails/111611/640/360/64...
> Drone Gives Texas Law Enforcement Bird's-Eye View on Crime
>
> The Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office is weeks away from launching an
> unmanned aerial asset to help deputies fight crime. The ShadowHawk
> helicopter is six-feet long, weighs fifty pounds and fits in the back of
> an SUV.
>
and the alternatives. Montgomery County is a rather large heavily
wooded county. The alternatives for police would be to put a multi-
million dollar helicopter into the air manned by an officer using a
lot of very expensive fuel. The drone can be operated for hours for
less cost than getting a manned helicopter into the air. There should
be a substantial savings to the taxpayers of Montgomery county over
the life of that drone.
Home Guy
Nov 17, 2011, 10:38:48 AM11/17/11
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George wrote:
> > No wonder you're going bankrupt as a country.
>
> > No wonder you're going bankrupt as a country.
>
> It would help to set your hatred of the US aside and think
> objectively.
It would help if you didn't equate objective criticism with hatred. I
> objectively.
know that's hard for an American to do when the citicism is about you,
because your shit never stinks now does it?
> You do know that big cities already have aerial observation
> platforms in the form of much more expensive to operate
> helicopters?
done by this drone.
What this drone will do are things that are non-emergency in nature and
I bet it will spend 99% of the time on the ground, and the police force
in question will continue to operate it's helicopter and pay it's pilot
his full wage.
> If you were trying to be prudent with tax dollars do you think
> accomplishing many of those missions with less expensive
> equipment would be a good thing?
and the pilot's employment terminated?
Jim Yanik
Nov 17, 2011, 10:55:20 AM11/17/11
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"Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net> wrote in
news:4ec48e1e$0$28567$a826...@newsreader.readnews.com:
I wonder if it's equipped with any weapons?
maybe mini-Spike? a 40mm grenade launcher? tear gas dispenser?
>>
>> Vanguard Defense Industries built the helicopter. The company has
>> also supplied aerial assets to US forces over seas.
>>
>> Critics argue the drone-like vehicle isn’t safe, because it’s
>> unmanned.
I note the US military had to take some special measures to be allowed to
fly their drones in US airspace. I doubt this low-cost drone has those
special measures. It could collide with a general aviation aircraft,or hit
power lines. Situational awareness is lacking with these unmanned AC.
A human pilot onboard is constantly scanning all around the AC.
helicopter.
I just hope it won't be used for flying speed traps to help pay for itself.
>>
>> “This sheriff’s office has better things to do with its time then spy
>> on people, ” McDaniel argued. "That’s not our mission. The only way
>> that it’s going to be an invasion of their privacy is if they are
>> committing some type of a criminal act where we might utilize this to
>> catch them.”
>
> Cheaper than operating a full size helicopter, and give the prevalence
> of wildfires, I expect it will earn it's keep.
>
Wait until some kid with a RC model airplane comes along and shoots it
down.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
news:4ec48e1e$0$28567$a826...@newsreader.readnews.com:
maybe mini-Spike? a 40mm grenade launcher? tear gas dispenser?
>>
>> Vanguard Defense Industries built the helicopter. The company has
>> also supplied aerial assets to US forces over seas.
>>
>> Critics argue the drone-like vehicle isn’t safe, because it’s
>> unmanned.
fly their drones in US airspace. I doubt this low-cost drone has those
special measures. It could collide with a general aviation aircraft,or hit
power lines. Situational awareness is lacking with these unmanned AC.
A human pilot onboard is constantly scanning all around the AC.
>>
>> “I gotta tell you, it sort of looks like boys and their toys, ” said
>> Terri Burke, Executive Director of the ACLU of Texas. “We’re giving
>> up our privacy, we’re letting the government have way too much
>> power.”
>>
>> The ACLU is concerned that technology used by law enforcement
>> officials in general is getting ahead of people’s privacy. No one has
>> complained to the ACLU about the Montgomery County helicopter, but
>> some fear it could be used to spy on people.
>>
>> “The Constitution spells out very clearly that we have a right to
>> privacy, ” Burke said.
the helo is not going to be doing anything different than a manned police
>> “I gotta tell you, it sort of looks like boys and their toys, ” said
>> Terri Burke, Executive Director of the ACLU of Texas. “We’re giving
>> up our privacy, we’re letting the government have way too much
>> power.”
>>
>> The ACLU is concerned that technology used by law enforcement
>> officials in general is getting ahead of people’s privacy. No one has
>> complained to the ACLU about the Montgomery County helicopter, but
>> some fear it could be used to spy on people.
>>
>> “The Constitution spells out very clearly that we have a right to
>> privacy, ” Burke said.
helicopter.
I just hope it won't be used for flying speed traps to help pay for itself.
>>
>> “This sheriff’s office has better things to do with its time then spy
>> on people, ” McDaniel argued. "That’s not our mission. The only way
>> that it’s going to be an invasion of their privacy is if they are
>> committing some type of a criminal act where we might utilize this to
>> catch them.”
>
> Cheaper than operating a full size helicopter, and give the prevalence
> of wildfires, I expect it will earn it's keep.
>
down.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
Pete C.
Nov 17, 2011, 11:19:02 AM11/17/11
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cameras and whatnot probably eat up most of it's weigh rating.
>
> >>
> >> Vanguard Defense Industries built the helicopter. The company has
> >> also supplied aerial assets to US forces over seas.
> >>
> >> Critics argue the drone-like vehicle isn’t safe, because it’s
> >> unmanned.
>
> I note the US military had to take some special measures to be allowed to
> fly their drones in US airspace. I doubt this low-cost drone has those
> special measures. It could collide with a general aviation aircraft,or hit
> power lines. Situational awareness is lacking with these unmanned AC.
> A human pilot onboard is constantly scanning all around the AC.
any risk to general aviation aircraft would be if used in close
proximity to an airport.
> >>
> >> “I gotta tell you, it sort of looks like boys and their toys, ” said
> >> Terri Burke, Executive Director of the ACLU of Texas. “We’re giving
> >> up our privacy, we’re letting the government have way too much
> >> power.”
> >>
> >> The ACLU is concerned that technology used by law enforcement
> >> officials in general is getting ahead of people’s privacy. No one has
> >> complained to the ACLU about the Montgomery County helicopter, but
> >> some fear it could be used to spy on people.
> >>
> >> “The Constitution spells out very clearly that we have a right to
> >> privacy, ” Burke said.
>
> the helo is not going to be doing anything different than a manned police
> helicopter.
>
> I just hope it won't be used for flying speed traps to help pay for itself.
moved away from that (other than warning signage on roads) due to the
expense and hassles.
>
> >>
> >> “This sheriff’s office has better things to do with its time then spy
> >> on people, ” McDaniel argued. "That’s not our mission. The only way
> >> that it’s going to be an invasion of their privacy is if they are
> >> committing some type of a criminal act where we might utilize this to
> >> catch them.”
> >
> > Cheaper than operating a full size helicopter, and give the prevalence
> > of wildfires, I expect it will earn it's keep.
> >
>
> Wait until some kid with a RC model airplane comes along and shoots it
> down.
down in Arizona.
harry
Nov 17, 2011, 11:15:28 AM11/17/11
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There is nothing your fascist gov.won't do to stay in power.
Pete C.
Nov 17, 2011, 11:21:24 AM11/17/11
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Home Guy wrote:
>
> George wrote:
>
> > > No wonder you're going bankrupt as a country.
> >
> > It would help to set your hatred of the US aside and think
> > objectively.
>
> It would help if you didn't equate objective criticism with hatred. I
> know that's hard for an American to do when the citicism is about you,
> because your shit never stinks now does it?
>
> > You do know that big cities already have aerial observation
> > platforms in the form of much more expensive to operate
> > helicopters?
>
> Anything that really requires a manned police helicopter will never be
> done by this drone.
>
> What this drone will do are things that are non-emergency in nature and
> I bet it will spend 99% of the time on the ground, and the police force
> in question will continue to operate it's helicopter and pay it's pilot
> his full wage.
starves/freezes/is eaten by rabid feral hogs, it's paid for itself. If
it avoids a crash of a full sized heli with crew when surveying one of
the many large grass/wildfires that occur in TX it's paid for itself.
harry
Nov 17, 2011, 11:28:56 AM11/17/11
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>
> - Show quoted text -
We had them years ago. Complete failure.
They have to be kept in sight of the ground operator and have limited
battery life/flight time..
They can only be operated in calm conditions with good visibilty.
Complete waste of money
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1552253/Police-spy-in-the-sky-fuels-Big-Brother-fears.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psZjen_sqZ8
http://www.blottr.com/uk/breaking-news/police-crash-1300-drone-river-mersey
harry
Nov 17, 2011, 11:12:22 AM11/17/11
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>
> - Show quoted text -
It is called the Long Range Accoustic Device.
> - Show quoted text -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LRAD
Already been used in the USA, Iraq and against Somali pirates..
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Nov 17, 2011, 11:54:16 AM11/17/11
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Kurt Ullman
Nov 17, 2011, 12:05:25 PM11/17/11
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In article <reGdnQwY8bBTbFnT...@earthlink.com>,
"HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> Home Guy wrote:
>
> A "right" to privacy HAS been found, however, in the "penumbras and
> emanations" of that document, but only in cases involving sex (birth
> control, abortion, and sodomy).
A good attorney is one who can get sodomy reduced to following too
closely.
"HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> Home Guy wrote:
>
> A "right" to privacy HAS been found, however, in the "penumbras and
> emanations" of that document, but only in cases involving sex (birth
> control, abortion, and sodomy).
closely.
Kurt Ullman
Nov 17, 2011, 12:06:22 PM11/17/11
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In article <ja340o$sns$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
"Robert Green" <robert_g...@yah00.com> wrote:
> sharpshooters or canine units, but I'm sure they'll have their uses. If I
> know cops, within months they'll have a accurate database of every
> attractive nude roof sunbather in the area.
>
ANd if they are really true blonds.
> sharpshooters or canine units, but I'm sure they'll have their uses. If I
> know cops, within months they'll have a accurate database of every
> attractive nude roof sunbather in the area.
>
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
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different about LEOs?
>>> “I gotta tell you, it sort of looks like boys and their toys, ” said
>>> Terri Burke, Executive Director of the ACLU of Texas. “We’re giving
>>> up our privacy, we’re letting the government have way too much
>>> power.”
>>>
>>> The ACLU is concerned that technology used by law enforcement
>>> officials in general is getting ahead of people’s privacy. No one has
>>> complained to the ACLU about the Montgomery County helicopter, but
>>> some fear it could be used to spy on people.
>>>
>>> “The Constitution spells out very clearly that we have a right to
>>> privacy, ” Burke said.
>the helo is not going to be doing anything different than a manned police
>helicopter.
>
>I just hope it won't be used for flying speed traps to help pay for itself.
be a very low priority.
>>> “This sheriff’s office has better things to do with its time then spy
>>> on people, ” McDaniel argued. "That’s not our mission. The only way
>>> that it’s going to be an invasion of their privacy is if they are
>>> committing some type of a criminal act where we might utilize this to
>>> catch them.”
>>
>> Cheaper than operating a full size helicopter, and give the prevalence
>> of wildfires, I expect it will earn it's keep.
difficult to fly, and suffer more mechanical problems. Why not fixed-wing, or
of loitering is a requirement, a blimp/Zeppelin?
>
>Wait until some kid with a RC model airplane comes along and shoots it
>down.
RC dogfights! Neat.
>Wait until some kid with a RC model airplane comes along and shoots it
>down.
chaniarts
Nov 17, 2011, 1:15:19 PM11/17/11
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latest car chase, because they weren't watching where they were going
(the pilot is also the cameraman).
micky
Nov 17, 2011, 1:27:56 PM11/17/11
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Stormin Mormon
Nov 17, 2011, 3:22:41 PM11/17/11
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And if they serve donuts?
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BobR
Nov 17, 2011, 3:41:40 PM11/17/11
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From what I have been reading, they have come a long way in the last
few years. A lot of new materials and a lot of new technology have
greatly increased their air time and range.
Pete C.
Nov 17, 2011, 3:47:36 PM11/17/11
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as a shoot down and there was only one heli involved.
Oren
Nov 17, 2011, 3:54:02 PM11/17/11
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:41:40 -0800 (PST), BobR
<re...@r-a-reed-assoc.com> wrote:
>
>From what I have been reading, they have come a long way in the last
>few years. A lot of new materials and a lot of new technology have
>greatly increased their air time and range.
>
This one is armed with a Springfield 1911-A .45 Caliber
<re...@r-a-reed-assoc.com> wrote:
>
>From what I have been reading, they have come a long way in the last
>few years. A lot of new materials and a lot of new technology have
>greatly increased their air time and range.
>
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZZJA8Yujxc>
Oren
Nov 17, 2011, 5:11:16 PM11/17/11
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chaniarts
Nov 17, 2011, 6:40:52 PM11/17/11
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i live in phx. there has not been a shootdown of a helicopter here.
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Nov 17, 2011, 7:47:48 PM11/17/11
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Oren
Nov 17, 2011, 8:18:37 PM11/17/11
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:47:48 -0600, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
It was for God and Country. I shed a few alligator-sized tears, but
got over that.
got over that.
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Nov 17, 2011, 9:38:06 PM11/17/11
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It happens, just not in phoenix, AFAIK
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33358527/ns/world_news-americas/t/gangs-shoot-down-brazil-police-chopper-dead/
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G. Morgan
Nov 17, 2011, 10:09:02 PM11/17/11
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Home Guy wrote:
>Now tell me that this is a wise, prudent, necessary or productive use of
>tax dollars...
>Now tell me that this is a wise, prudent, necessary or productive use of
>tax dollars...
>The Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office is weeks away from launching an
>unmanned aerial asset to help deputies fight crime. The ShadowHawk
>helicopter is six-feet long, weighs fifty pounds and fits in the back of
>an SUV.
Yes. Montgomery County just suffered a major fire this summer, that
>unmanned aerial asset to help deputies fight crime. The ShadowHawk
>helicopter is six-feet long, weighs fifty pounds and fits in the back of
>an SUV.
would have helped.
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Pete C.
Nov 17, 2011, 10:36:13 PM11/17/11
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recall other than it was west of TX and a border state. Probably shot
down by a drug gang.
Stormin Mormon
Nov 17, 2011, 10:51:44 PM11/17/11
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Doing what, exactly? Not heavy enough for water drops.
Maybe watch the fire line, and see where it's extending?
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>The Montgomery County Sheriffâ?Ts Office is weeks away from
Maybe watch the fire line, and see where it's extending?
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>The Montgomery County Sheriffâ?Ts Office is weeks away from
The Daring Dufas
Nov 18, 2011, 12:02:58 AM11/18/11
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On 11/17/2011 5:33 AM, HeyBub wrote:
> harry wrote:
>> On Nov 17, 3:54 am, "John Wayne"<j...@void.nul> wrote:
>>> "Home Guy"<H...@Guy.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:4EC47D11...@Guy.com...
>>>
> harry wrote:
>> On Nov 17, 3:54 am, "John Wayne"<j...@void.nul> wrote:
>>> "Home Guy"<H...@Guy.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:4EC47D11...@Guy.com...
>>>
>>>> Now tell me that this is a wise, prudent, necessary or
>>>> productive use of
>>>> tax dollars...
>>>
>>>> No wonder you're going bankrupt as a country. One city at
>>>> a time, one
>>>> bank at a time, one family at a time.
>>>
>>>> productive use of
>>>> tax dollars...
>>>
>>>> No wonder you're going bankrupt as a country. One city at
>>>> a time, one
>>>> bank at a time, one family at a time.
>>>
>>> Yup, law enforcement is big business here and is basically
>>> catch-and-release operation.
>>> The police catch the criminals and the cry-baby juries find
>>> them innocent and release them.
>>> And as you've pointed out, we spend an obscene amount of
>>> money along the way.
>>>
>>> What the world needs is a 100% foolproof lie detector and a
>>> rapid-reset guillotine.
>>
>>
>> i thought that was waterboarding? Soon to become normal policy
>> according to your presidential hopefulls.
>
> The U.S. already waterboards hundreds of its citizens every year, most of
> whom have never committed a crime.
>
Snow boarding is even worse. I hear it can be very violent. ^_^
>>> catch-and-release operation.
>>> The police catch the criminals and the cry-baby juries find
>>> them innocent and release them.
>>> And as you've pointed out, we spend an obscene amount of
>>> money along the way.
>>>
>>> What the world needs is a 100% foolproof lie detector and a
>>> rapid-reset guillotine.
>>
>>
>> i thought that was waterboarding? Soon to become normal policy
>> according to your presidential hopefulls.
>
> The U.S. already waterboards hundreds of its citizens every year, most of
> whom have never committed a crime.
>
TDD
Steve B
Nov 18, 2011, 12:41:58 AM11/18/11
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>>>>>>> Yup, law enforcement is big business here and is basically
>>>>>>> catch-and-release operation.
>>>>>>> The police catch the criminals and the cry-baby juries find
>>>>>>> them innocent and release them.
>>>>>>> And as you've pointed out, we spend an obscene amount of
>>>>>>> money along the way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What the world needs is a 100% foolproof lie detector and a
>>>>>>> rapid-reset guillotine.
return fire from the druggies south of the borders. I see Texas Dope Wars
and Border Patrol, and our agents take all kinds of incoming fire. Send a
couple of hellfires or even some small ten pounders back in response, and I
guarantee you things would quieten down overnight. I hear there's 30,000
shoulder mounted wire guided missiles floating around in the middle east.
Kind of ironic that we have to go buy back our own stuff, but I think this
would be worth it. It would sure shorten those high speed chases where the
bad guys take out a carload of nuns and orphans.
Or invent some new handcuffs that let our agents fight with their hands IN
FRONT OF THEM.
Steve
G. Morgan
Nov 18, 2011, 3:20:09 AM11/18/11
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
>Doing what, exactly? Not heavy enough for water drops.
>Maybe watch the fire line, and see where it's extending?
Yep, spotting evac. routes, hot-spots (FLIR cams.), stranded folks, car
>Doing what, exactly? Not heavy enough for water drops.
>Maybe watch the fire line, and see where it's extending?
accident victims, gang surveillance. For the price of 1 regular helo
(Plus 2 crew) they can have a dozen of these. It also floods quite a
bit in Montgomery County (not this year by a mile!). These would be
great for spotting flash flood victims (maybe even dropping a line with
a life preserver). Its also in hurricane alley.
Robert Green
Nov 18, 2011, 3:25:11 AM11/18/11
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> In article <ja340o$sns$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> "Robert Green" <robert_g...@yah00.com> wrote:
>
> > sharpshooters or canine units, but I'm sure they'll have their uses. If
I
> > know cops, within months they'll have a accurate database of every
> > attractive nude roof sunbather in the area.
> >
> ANd if they are really true blonds.
Probably a "silicone" detector, too.
> "Robert Green" <robert_g...@yah00.com> wrote:
>
> > sharpshooters or canine units, but I'm sure they'll have their uses. If
I
> > know cops, within months they'll have a accurate database of every
> > attractive nude roof sunbather in the area.
> >
> ANd if they are really true blonds.
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Stormin Mormon
Nov 18, 2011, 7:23:54 AM11/18/11
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I've heard air boarding has a nasty hit at the end.
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Nov 18, 2011, 7:27:01 AM11/18/11
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For whatever reason, the law enforcement in USA
is not being effective at controlling the mobs.
Possibly because anti capitalist mobs are pleasing
to our Community Organizer In Chief.
Lastnight, Nov 17, 2011, On the way home, I was
listening to Michael Savage, he is loudly wondering
where is DHS and FBI and the other TLA as the
OWS are committing acts of terror on US soil.
Why are these domestic terrorists running loose?
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is not being effective at controlling the mobs.
Possibly because anti capitalist mobs are pleasing
to our Community Organizer In Chief.
Lastnight, Nov 17, 2011, On the way home, I was
listening to Michael Savage, he is loudly wondering
where is DHS and FBI and the other TLA as the
OWS are committing acts of terror on US soil.
Why are these domestic terrorists running loose?
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Stormin Mormon
Nov 18, 2011, 7:30:08 AM11/18/11
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With a good crew, and proper instructions and polices. Such
a light helo sure could be a life safer. And a crime
stopper. At present, I wonder if the federal agencies are in
the life saving and crime stopping business at all.
They appear to be in the border crossing criminal
appeasement and OWS encouragement business. And the
diversity and sensetivity training business. At least on the
federal level.
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a light helo sure could be a life safer. And a crime
stopper. At present, I wonder if the federal agencies are in
the life saving and crime stopping business at all.
They appear to be in the border crossing criminal
appeasement and OWS encouragement business. And the
diversity and sensetivity training business. At least on the
federal level.
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HeyBub
Nov 18, 2011, 9:18:24 AM11/18/11
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Home Guy wrote:
> Now tell me that this is a wise, prudent, necessary or productive use
> of tax dollars...
>
> No wonder you're going bankrupt as a country. One city at a time, one
> bank at a time, one family at a time.
>
> ===================================
> Now tell me that this is a wise, prudent, necessary or productive use
> of tax dollars...
>
> No wonder you're going bankrupt as a country. One city at a time, one
> bank at a time, one family at a time.
>
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/16/drone-gives-texas-law-enforcement-birds-eye-view-on-crime/
>
> Drone Gives Texas Law Enforcement Bird's-Eye View on Crime
>
> The Montgomery County Sheriff's Office is weeks away from launching an
> Drone Gives Texas Law Enforcement Bird's-Eye View on Crime
>
> unmanned aerial asset to help deputies fight crime. The ShadowHawk
> helicopter is six-feet long, weighs fifty pounds and fits in the back
> of an SUV.
>
Well, the needs of Montgomery County are not great. It's mostly rural and
> helicopter is six-feet long, weighs fifty pounds and fits in the back
> of an SUV.
>
the largest town is Conroe, Texas (pop 37,000). There are only 55,000 people
in the whole county.
So, if you're the government of the county, and are blessed with
$142,000,000 (or whatever) of free federal money, you've got to find
SOMETHING to spend it on.
Aside:
I remember listening to a radio call from the Harris County Sheriff's Office
(SO) car to the Montgomery county dispatcher.
"Montgomery county SO, Harris County 53"
"Harris County 53, go ahead"
"I am in pursuit of a fast mover approaching the river bridge on Interstate
45. Speeds in excess of 120"
"Harris County 53, SLOW IT DOWN, boy, he ain't gonna make the curve!"
(one minute passes)
"Montgomery county, Harris County 53. My suspect has TAed. He's about 200
feet into a plowed field."
"Harris county 53. I done told ya he would. I've got wreckers, an ambulance,
and one of my units enroute. Have a nice day."
Well, maybe you had to be there...
Jim Yanik
Nov 18, 2011, 10:08:17 AM11/18/11
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> If it finds one lost kid in the vase TX landscape before he
> starves/freezes/is eaten by rabid feral hogs, it's paid for itself. If
> it avoids a crash of a full sized heli with crew when surveying one of
> the many large grass/wildfires that occur in TX it's paid for itself.
>
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Stormin Mormon
Nov 18, 2011, 11:07:20 AM11/18/11
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And, that's part of the reason the various levels of
government are so in debt. They "HAVE TO" spend the money or
lose it.
When I was training for a college ambulance service, they
spent $80 on a walkie talkie shoulder microphone, because
they had to find a way to spend all the budget money. This
was in 1982. Adjusted, probably double that in 2011
dollars. Or dog years.
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government are so in debt. They "HAVE TO" spend the money or
lose it.
When I was training for a college ambulance service, they
spent $80 on a walkie talkie shoulder microphone, because
they had to find a way to spend all the budget money. This
was in 1982. Adjusted, probably double that in 2011
dollars. Or dog years.
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Nov 18, 2011, 11:31:41 AM11/18/11
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:27:01 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>For whatever reason, the law enforcement in USA
>is not being effective at controlling the mobs.
>Possibly because anti capitalist mobs are pleasing
>to our Community Organizer In Chief.
It's hard to be effective when you don't try.
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>For whatever reason, the law enforcement in USA
>is not being effective at controlling the mobs.
>Possibly because anti capitalist mobs are pleasing
>to our Community Organizer In Chief.
>Lastnight, Nov 17, 2011, On the way home, I was
>listening to Michael Savage, he is loudly wondering
>where is DHS and FBI and the other TLA as the
>OWS are committing acts of terror on US soil.
>Why are these domestic terrorists running loose?
Stormin Mormon
Nov 18, 2011, 12:07:03 PM11/18/11
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Obama is arming the crooks, and we're supposed
to clamor and yell for the repeal of the second
ammendmant? Not according to this here patriot.
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to clamor and yell for the repeal of the second
ammendmant? Not according to this here patriot.
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Nov 18, 2011, 12:08:33 PM11/18/11
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Or, when you have a hidden agenda, in the other direction.
Two, Refer to above.
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Two, Refer to above.
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Nov 18, 2011, 12:20:14 PM11/18/11
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On Nov 18, 12:27 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
You need a proper revolution in America. These people could be the
start of it. They have just grievances.
start of it. They have just grievances.
Percival P. Cassidy
Nov 18, 2011, 3:12:09 PM11/18/11
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On 11/18/11 11:07 am, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> And, that's part of the reason the various levels of
> government are so in debt. They "HAVE TO" spend the money or
> lose it.
> When I was training for a college ambulance service, they
> spent $80 on a walkie talkie shoulder microphone, because
> they had to find a way to spend all the budget money. This
> was in 1982. Adjusted, probably double that in 2011
> dollars. Or dog years.
It's the same everywhere, not only in government departments of many
> And, that's part of the reason the various levels of
> government are so in debt. They "HAVE TO" spend the money or
> lose it.
> When I was training for a college ambulance service, they
> spent $80 on a walkie talkie shoulder microphone, because
> they had to find a way to spend all the budget money. This
> was in 1982. Adjusted, probably double that in 2011
> dollars. Or dog years.
countries but in private enterprise as well: if you have money left over
at the end of the year, they don't add it onto next year's budget but
say, "You didn't need it this year, so you won't need it and won't get
it next year." So every department keeps spending every last penny of
its budget because one day that money may be needed for something
absolutely essential.
Perce
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Nov 20, 2011, 4:02:54 PM11/20/11
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> Home Guy wrote:
> >
> > The ACLU is concerned that technology used by law enforcement
> > officials in general is getting ahead of people's privacy. No one has
> > complained to the ACLU about the Montgomery County helicopter, but
> > some fear it could be used to spy on people.
> >
> > "The Constitution spells out very clearly that we have a right to
> > privacy, " Burke said.
> >
>
> I know it's presumptuous of me to correct an ACLU lawyer, but the word
> >
> > The ACLU is concerned that technology used by law enforcement
> > officials in general is getting ahead of people's privacy. No one has
> > complained to the ACLU about the Montgomery County helicopter, but
> > some fear it could be used to spy on people.
> >
> > "The Constitution spells out very clearly that we have a right to
> > privacy, " Burke said.
> >
>
> "privacy" does not appear in the Constitution.
>
> A "right" to privacy HAS been found, however, in the "penumbras and
> emanations" of that document, but only in cases involving sex (birth
> control, abortion, and sodomy).
It is said that a right to privacy is inherent in many of the amendments in
the Bill of Rights, such as the 3rd, the 4th's search and seizure limits,
and the 5th's self-incrimination limit.
The 9th amendment:
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be
construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
is also part of the "privacy package" and supports such rights as the
ability to freely move about the country and the right to privacy as
described over the years in cases such as you mentioned and quite a few more
not especially associated with sex. I will admit that lately, most cites
have a sexual element to them, if only obliquely.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Privacy_law
Two early cases set the parameters for privacy:
May 25, 1891, Union Pacific Railway Co. v. Botsford: The Supreme Court
rejected the right of a defendant in a civil action to compel the plaintiff
to submit to physical examination, writing that "No right is held more
sacred, or is more carefully guarded, by the common law, than the right of
every individual to the possession and control of his own person, free from
all restraint or interference of others .."
Weems v. United States (1910)
In a case from the Philippines, the Supreme Court finds that the definition
of "cruel and unusual punishment" is not limited to what the Founding
Fathers might have thought it to mean.
Meyer v. Nebraska (1923)
A case ruling that parents may decide for themselves if and when their
children may learn a foreign language, based upon a fundamental liberty
interest individuals have in the family unit.
June 4, 1928, Olmstead v. United States: In a wiretapping case, Justice
Brandeis, dissenting, wrote broadly of the right to be "let alone":
The makers of our Constitution undertook to secure conditions favorable to
the pursuit of happiness. . They conferred, as against the government, the
right to be let alone-the most comprehensive of rights and the right most
valued by civilized men. To protect that right, every unjustifiable
intrusion by the government upon the privacy of the individual, whatever the
means employed, must be deemed a violation of the Fourth Amendment.
Skinner v. Oklahoma (1942)
An Oklahoma law providing for the sterilization of people found to be
"habitual criminals" is struck down, based on idea that all people have a
fundamental right to make their own choices about marriage and procreation.
(Which is why I think it would be legal to ask for voluntary sterilization
from welfare recipients. *They* make the choice, not the government who
only offers it.)
Pottawatomie v. Earls (2001)
How much latitude does a public school have in restricting a student's
rights? Can schools force all students to submit to random drug testing
merely as a condition of attendance? Can they force all students who
participate in activities like band or soccer to submit to random drug
testing?
Many recent cases involve abortion but some say privacy wasn't the real
issue - just the "point of entry" by abortion activists into the Federal
courts.
Essentially the courts have defined privacy indirectly by ruling on what
things are NOT private rather than describing what privacy means. It's a
very bizarre, paint-by-the-numbers system: "We can't describe it but we know
it when we see it."
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Bobby G.
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