Push button for garage door opener
gcotterl
electrical wires are correctly connected to the push button and to the
garage-door opener because, when I push the button, the garage door
opens and closes.
The push button has suffered a dent so it needs to be replaced.
I have bought a new push button and attached the wires correctly.
Now, when I push the button, the garage door goes up. But, when I
push the button again. the door doesn't go down unless I disconnect
and reconnect the wires.
Apparently, I bought the wrong type of push button. What kind of push
button do I need to buy?
Ed Pawlowski
"gcotterl" <gcot...@co.riverside.ca.us> wrote
> I have bought a new push button and attached the wires correctly.
>
> Now, when I push the button, the garage door goes up. But, when I
> push the button again. the door doesn't go down unless I disconnect
> and reconnect the wires.
>
> Apparently, I bought the wrong type of push button. What kind of push
> button do I need to buy?
I don't know what the new doors may be using, but my older opener just used
a simple doorbell button. About $1.
My older door opener did not have any safety interlocks like the new ones
do. Does it go down OK with the remote?
mm
You probably mounted the button upside down. Reverse it and you'll be
able to shut the door but not open it. You don't want it to open with
a button or someone will steal everything in your garage.
Smitty Two
<deffef51-1a06-492a...@i35g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
gcotterl <gcot...@co.riverside.ca.us> wrote:
You probably bought an ON/OFF pushbutton, and you probably need a
MOMENTARY pushbutton.
gcotterl
> "gcotterl" <gcott...@co.riverside.ca.us> wrote
Yes, the remote opens the door with one push and closes the door with
another push. Now, if the push button would do the same thing....
Steve Barker
sounds like you bought a lighted doorbell button. Take the bulb out or
get one that is not lighted.
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gcotterl
My garage has two doors: a 16-foot wide sectional door (operated by
the garage-door opener) and a 32-inch wide back-door.
I'd like to put a push button beside each door so do I buy two
"momentary" push buttons?
Do "momentary" push-buttons have a different name? (The Lowes/Home
Depot people don't know what I'm talking about).
I
Twayne
gcotterl <gcot...@co.riverside.ca.us> typed:
I you "bought a new push button and attached the wires correctly." then it
has to be the wrong or a defective pushbutton, right?
Since you gave no other information, I responded to the only information you
did give.
HTH,
Twayne`
Han
a8d1-ba4...@k15g2000prk.googlegroups.com:
In my layman's view, this is how the garagedoor openers (pushbutton or
remote) work: There are 3 possible actions - open, stop, close. They
get used in that order and then start anew. In addition there are stops
at the top and bottom that only issue the stop order. A momentary signal
from the remote or from the doorbell-type button issue the action
commands. If you get a button switch that switches between on and off,
you are energizing the circuit(s) far too long if you only push the
button once. You have to push that button twice to have the same action
as the door bell with a single push and let go.
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Han
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Harry K
Go down and ask for a doorbell button - that is what you need. AFAIK
all of them are momentary.
As for two buttons, no problem as long as you wire them both from the
opener itself. It would get complicated if you tried to wire them in
on the same run of wire.
Harry K
Harry K
Ooops. They could be wired with one run of wire if it were a 3
conductor wire.
Harry K
cl...@snyder.on.ca
<gcot...@co.riverside.ca.us> wrote:
You need a non-lighted push button. I suspect, from the description
of your problem, that you bought a lighted one.
Mark Lloyd
I used to have an older opener here, with a simple doorbell button.
The opener was replaced with one with a fancy control (lighted button,
seperate button for light only, switch to disable opener when closed). The
old button is still connected (in parallel) and still works.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us
"God has no place within these walls (school), just like facts have no
place in organized religion!" -- Superintendent Chalmers
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Doorbell buttond are "momentary"
cl...@snyder.on.ca
What happens if you take the button off and just touch the wires
together? If it works then, you have a defective button, or a lighted
one. No other possibility.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Actually, VERY simple on the same run of wire - just skin the wire and
put it under the screws for the first one, and carry on to the last
one. Switches need to be IN PARALLEL to each other.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Not necessary, Harry. 2 wires is all that is required.
Peter
You didn't say if the "dent" disabled the old button.
If it still works, use an ohm meter or continuity checker across the
screw connectors to see if you is a "push-on/push-off" or a "momentary"
type of switch. Then, check the replacement one you say is not working
properly. The replacement switch should mimic the action of the old one.
If the old switch does not work, figure out which type you need by
touching the bare wires together that were connected to the old switch.
If a brief touch causes the door to go fully up and another brief
touch causes the door to go fully down, you had a "momentary" switch.
If you need to hold the bare wires together to keep the door either up
or down, and it only moves in the opposite direction when you separate
the wires, you had a "push-on/push off" type switch.
Harry K
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Yep, as soon as you pointed it out it was obvious.
Harry K
Matt
A momentary normally open switch is one that is open (off) when it is
not pressed and closed (on) when it is pressed.
Example 1: a door-buzzer switch: the buzzer is buzzing only when you are
pressing the button.
Example 2: The circuit that controls the motor of a door opener is
sensitive to the momentary switch's transitions from off to on.
Probably you should just buy two switches at a place that sells and
fixes garage doors.
jamesgangnc
For what it's worth, my liftmaster has an "intelligent" button. It
connects with just 2 wires that power it and it sends signals back
down the two wires on top of the power to the controller to raise and
lower the door, to lock the door, and to activate the light. So no
ordinary push button is going to work on mine. Just saying there are
others out there.
Tony Hwang
Big Ditto on that!
Tony Hwang
Hmmm,
Joking, right? If not you are an idiot!
Harry K
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Ya, riiightt. You can test that theory by disconnect the wires at the
switch and touching them together. Prepare to be embarrassed.
Harry K
Smitty Two
<6c4bedcd-c9ca-4e24...@z27g2000prz.googlegroups.com>,
Harry K <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > For what it's worth, my liftmaster has an "intelligent" button. It
> > connects with just 2 wires that power it and it sends signals back
> > down the two wires on top of the power to the controller to raise and
> > lower the door, to lock the door, and to activate the light. So no
> > ordinary push button is going to work on mine. Just saying there are
> > others out there.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Ya, riiightt. You can test that theory by disconnect the wires at the
> switch and touching them together. Prepare to be embarrassed.
>
> Harry K
You and Tony have both scoffed at James' post, but I see nothing wrong
with it. Haven't seen such a gadget, but it'd be duck soup to make a
control panel that has multiple buttons for different functions, still
with only two wires connecting the control to the operator head. Each
button sends a coded signal down the power wires, said signal being
demodulated at the far end.
jamesgangnc
> In article
> <6c4bedcd-c9ca-4e24-85e9-97edfcde9...@z27g2000prz.googlegroups.com>,
Nope. Not joking. Has a circuit board in it with parts on it. I
suspect the reason was so that it could do several things with just 2
wires. That way people that have just 2 conductors buried in the wall
can have more features. Wire is polarized (red and white) and the
connections on the button are polarized as well.
Smitty Two
<f72a9799-6b5b-4859...@f36g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
jamesgangnc <james...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep, they even do that with model trains. Superimpose commands on the
track voltage, and the engine demodulates them to sound the horn, blow
"steam," etc.
gree...@neo.rr.com
I agree. I have a Genie that has the traditional start/stop button
plus a light on/off button (that doesn't move the door) plus a lock
slide switch that prevents the radio receiver from working. All with
just two wires. I assume it uses resistors to differentiate between
the controls rather than a fancy digital system, but who knows - with
cheap pic-type microprocessors available, they could have done it many
different ways.
Ed Pawlowski
"Smitty Two" <prest...@earthlink.net> wrote
>>
>> Ya, riiightt. You can test that theory by disconnect the wires at the
>> switch and touching them together. Prepare to be embarrassed.
>>
>> Harry K
>
> You and Tony have both scoffed at James' post, but I see nothing wrong
> with it. Haven't seen such a gadget, but it'd be duck soup to make a
> control panel that has multiple buttons for different functions, still
> with only two wires connecting the control to the operator head. Each
> button sends a coded signal down the power wires, said signal being
> demodulated at the far end.
Steering wheel mounted radio controls on the car work that way. Sends a
coded pulse to change the station, volume, mode, etc.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
wrote:
No, there actually ARE 2 wire coded controllers available that can do
more than one thing. The newer ones are digital multiplex, the older
ones wer analog - different resistance for different functions - just
like the cruise control switch on a lot of '70s era cars.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Vast majority are not coded pulse, but differntial voltage, or more
siomply stated, different resistances across a reference voltage.
The 2 wires to the multi-switch unit switch the resistance on one half
of a voltage devider circuit, so the votage on the "center tap" (one
dide of the 2 wire cable - the one connected to the other resistor,
not the ref or ground) changes depending on which button is pushed.
Steve Barker
Yes, very similiar to an automotive steering wheel. Just think of all
those different buttons on there and then imagine that there's most
likely only 3 wires doing all that.
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Juan Doe
> Wow, can't believe I found this post. I have the same problem and my garage door company, 12 years later, tells me they have no idea what the switch is. I can't find a single electrical shop that has a similar push button, which looks like a simple bell, nor security company, nor ebay. I've tried two (lighted) bells with no luck but cant even find one without to try at the moment.
>
http://smile.amazon.com/Honeywell-RPW304A1003-Surface-Mount-Button/dp/B001G0MB3C
micky
>Wow, can't believe I found this post.
> I have the same problem
> and my garage door company, 12 years later, tells me they have no idea what the switch is
>. I can't find a single electrical shop that has a similar push button,
> which looks like a simple bell,
>nor security company, nor ebay. I've tried two (lighted) bells
from? Do the bells ring?
>with no luck but cant even find one without
>to try at the moment.
If you mean without a light, if you want a swtich without a light, take
the swtich you have and disconnect the light. Cut one of the wires to
it if you have to. Better yet, leave the swtich alone and take the
two wires from the house that are meant to go to the switch, and touch
the uninsulated part of one of them to the other. What happens?
Why do you think the switch is the problem?
bob_villa
> One of the worst posts I've ever read here.
Bob F
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:50:28 -0800 (PST), 6789d...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wow, can't believe I found this post.
>
> What post?
>
>> I have the same problem
>
> What problem?
>
>> and my garage door company, 12 years later, tells me they have no
>> idea what the switch is
>
> What switch?
>
>> . I can't find a single electrical shop that has a similar push
>> button,
>
> What would make it similar?
>
>> which looks like a simple bell,
>
> The switch looks like a bell? What kind of bell does it look like?
>
>> nor security company, nor ebay. I've tried two (lighted) bells
>
> You have two lighted bells? Where in a bell does the light come
> from? Do the bells ring?
>
>> with no luck but cant even find one without
>
> Without what?
>
>> to try at the moment.
>
> One of the worst posts I've ever read here.
>
> wires to it if you have to. Better yet, leave the swtich alone and
> take the two wires from the house that are meant to go to the switch,
> and touch the uninsulated part of one of them to the other. What
> happens?
>
> Why do you think the switch is the problem?
from usenet, and that the ancient posts he is referring to are long gone.
O.P. (that's origional poster), just take the 2 wires that went to the switch,
and touch them together for a second, then separate them. Do it again. If that
opens and closes the door properly, then go to the store and get an unlighted
momentary contact NO (normally open) push button switch.
Origional thread
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.home.repair/Push$20button$20for$20garage$20door$20opener/alt.home.repair/CghbijWnlKM/zfgdmETvZyUJ
paulpd...@gmail.com
djwa...@yahoo.com
Mark Lloyd
[snip]
>> Now, when I push the button, the garage door goes up. But, when I
>> push the button again. the door doesn't go down unless I disconnect
>> and reconnect the wires.
>>
>> Apparently, I bought the wrong type of push button. What kind of push
>> button do I need to buy?
>
happen with a toggle (push on/push off) button. You need a momentary
contact button.
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"If *every*thing is a high priority, then nothing is"
Ed Pawlowski
> On Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 11:36:06 PM UTC-5, gcotterl wrote:
>> I have a push button mounted on the stud next to the garage door. The
>> electrical wires are correctly connected to the push button and to the
>> garage-door opener because, when I push the button, the garage door
>> opens and closes.
>> button do I need to buy?
>
off and on.
bob haller
the outdoor key switch had all sorts of issues.
bought a remote control touchpad. worked so awesome i installed it at other locations
cl...@snyder.on.ca
JSG
jacksonv...@gmail.com
About a month ago I pulled it out again and hooked the remote up to the iris. That worked! But when I was moving it one of the wires came loose from the remote. Got out my cheap soldering iron and tried to solder it back on. I ended up burning the PCB on the remote. But all wasn’t lost, it was a 3 button remote so I still had 2 chances. So I ordered a good soldering station on amazon $95, and high quality solder $30. I couldn’t get it to work again. So doing some more research I came across this thread. I pulled off the lighted button and touched the wires together. That opened and closed the door. I looked around in the drawer I’d put all the other stuff in and found an unlighted doorbell button and hooked that up and it all worked, so I stuffed the wires from the iris in the power head along side the wires leading to the button and it works great!
If I’d found this thread a year ago I could have saved $220!
Anyone have an idea for a new hobby I could start that would involve soldering?
Tekkie®
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