NYC: Hub of The World - For Better or Worse
DarrinT68
Gareth.M...@pobox.com writes:
<< Oh, grow up. The terrorists attacked New York because it's big *in the
USA*, not because it's the "hub of the world". They (assuming everyone's guess
about who did it is right) hate the USA because they don't like its foreign
policies. >>
Gareth, you are the one who needs to GROW UP and accept the realities that be!
Firstly, terrorists hate America, because it's still the most powerful and
influential nation in the world! DOH! The greatest DEMOCRACY in the world! The
greatest economy and standard of living in the world. The greatest military
force in the world. The first nation to land on the moon. Are you also going to
sit there and continue to insist that NYC is not the "cultural, financial, and
media capital of the world," in spite of this recent tragedy!? In spite of the
living institutions that reside within the city itself: THE UNITED NATIONS, THE
WTC (formerly represented the world's trade and wealth), STATUE OF LIBERTY,
WALL STREET, NY STOCK EXCHANGE, BROADWAY, THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE, ELLIS ISLAND,
RADIO/BROADCASTING CAPITAL, FASHION CAPITAL, DIAMOND DISTRICT CAPITAL, RETAIL &
GARMENT CAPITAL, EMPIRE STATE BUILDING, ROCKEFELLER PLAZA/CENTER, MADISON
SQUARE GARDEN (world's most famous arena), TIMES SQUARE ("crossroads of the
world"), SECOND HOME TO HOLLYWOOD (200+ films are shot on location year round,
soon to be home to a billion + dollar movie studio), YANKEE STADIUM ("the house
that Babe Ruth built", NY YANKEES are the winningest team in the history of
baseball), CENTRAL PARK (world's most famous recreational park), CONEY ISLAND
(world's most famous amusement park), etc, etc. A city that has stood as a
symbol for freedom and individuality for 200+ years. FYI: 12 million immigrants
flocked to NEW YORK SHORES and ELLIS ISLAND from 1892-1924. And the millions
more who have flocked and continue to flock, all in search of freedom and
opportunity. Gareth, there comes a time when your jealousy must take the back
seat to concession! ehe These terrorists targeted the WORLD TRADE BUILDING for
one simple reason: MANHATTAN stands as a core symbol of everything that they
deplored about America: finance, wealth, trade, culture, Democracy,
independence. e.g. The same reason why the BEATLES chose to begin their
invasion in NYC is similar to the reasons why these terrorists chose NYC. You
go with the biggest and best city in the world, because it provides you with
the most coverage! Wake up from that stupor of yours, Gareth!!! e.g. TEXAS is
also BIG, but why wasn't that STATE targeted!? Why? Because the center of
ECONOMY does not reside in TX, it resides in NYC! Remember, as FRANK SINATRA
sings, "If you can make it here, you can make it anywhere, it's up to you NEW
YORK, NEW YORK." Now accept it and move on! -D, NYC ("still the cultural,
financial, and media capital of the world")
Rabid Bee
> living institutions that reside within the city itself: THE UNITED NATIONS, THE
> WTC (formerly represented the world's trade and wealth), STATUE OF LIBERTY,
> WALL STREET, NY STOCK EXCHANGE, BROADWAY, THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE, ELLIS ISLAND,
> RADIO/BROADCASTING CAPITAL, FASHION CAPITAL, DIAMOND DISTRICT CAPITAL, RETAIL &
> GARMENT CAPITAL, EMPIRE STATE BUILDING, ROCKEFELLER PLAZA/CENTER, MADISON
> SQUARE GARDEN (world's most famous arena), TIMES SQUARE ("crossroads of the
> world"), SECOND HOME TO HOLLYWOOD (200+ films are shot on location year round,
> soon to be home to a billion + dollar movie studio), YANKEE STADIUM ("the house
> that Babe Ruth built", NY YANKEES are the winningest team in the history of
> baseball), CENTRAL PARK (world's most famous recreational park), CONEY ISLAND
> (world's most famous amusement park), etc, etc.
Many of these are not in fact institutions, nor are they likely to be
reasons for targeting the city. Should Paris now be scared of similar
attacks, because it too has a statue of liberty? A lot of the things
you cite really don't matter outside of America; we don't care about
baseball, or the Yankees (winngest is not a word, by the way), or MSG.
NY is certainly not the world "capital" for some of the things you cite
(fashion, diamonds, radio, &c); American capital, certainly.
>A city that has stood as a
> symbol for freedom and individuality for 200+ years. FYI: 12 million immigrants
> flocked to NEW YORK SHORES and ELLIS ISLAND from 1892-1924. And the millions
> more who have flocked and continue to flock, all in search of freedom and
> opportunity.
As long, currently, as they're not Sikh or Arabian.
I'm not suggesting that America is a racist country, or that the
problems in America are any worse than many other multi-cultural
societies. But don't overly romanticise things; just because people
have gone to the US in search of a better life, it doesn't mean that
they actually found it. Some dreams don't come true. Nor should you
suggest that America's multi-culturalism is harmonious, because it won't
wash. Besides which, Ellis Island is only the point of debarkation, not
necessarily the final resting place.
>Gareth, there comes a time when your jealousy must take the back
> seat to concession! ehe These terrorists targeted the WORLD TRADE BUILDING for
> one simple reason: MANHATTAN stands as a core symbol of everything that they
> deplored about America: finance, wealth, trade, culture, Democracy,
> independence. e.g.
I agree. I would also add that it was a large, easy target, which might
result in high casualties and so high media coverage (any terrorist's
first real objective). I don't think I'm being cynical in suggesting
that, by hitting the second tower after a dely, it ensured everything
would be caught and played out on every TV channel, creating maximum
exposure. Much more effective than shots simply of rubble after the
event.
>The same reason why the BEATLES chose to begin their
> invasion in NYC is similar to the reasons why these terrorists chose NYC. You
> go with the biggest and best city in the world, because it provides you with
> the most coverage! Wake up from that stupor of yours, Gareth!!! e.g. TEXAS is
> also BIG, but why wasn't that STATE targeted!?
How could they target a whole state? The terrorists didn't even target
New York - just a large building in it. Don't try and compare things
that aren't even vaguely similar. Secondly, they targetted NY because
it was the largest city in the US, which I think is more significant
than any world profile it has. It is America that is passionately hated
in many parts of the world.
By the way, NY is not the biggest city in the world, by a long shot.
>Why? Because the center of
> ECONOMY does not reside in TX, it resides in NYC! Remember, as FRANK SINATRA
> sings, "If you can make it here, you can make it anywhere, it's up to you NEW
> YORK, NEW YORK."
Agreed, so long as you add the caveat that many Americans believe that
"anywhere" extends to all four corners of the US.
If someone really wanted to attack something global, as opposed to
something American, why not attack the UN. It is under the auspices of
the UN that many of the policies unpopular around the world have been
carried out. Why purely single out America for blame, if there wasn't
something unique about America to draw the ire of its enemies.
For the record, I think America's uniqueness is ultimately it's
financial and political support of Israel. Not that I believe that to
be a blinding insight or anything. However, I thikn it's of much more
significance than the emotive blustering about "FREEDOM" or
"DEMOCRACY"! Like the rest of the western world doesn't have equal or
better values than the US in that regards!
Cheers, Alex
Cheers, Alex
pwc
"Rabid Bee" <rabi...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
> > You go with the biggest and best city in the world, because it provides
you with
> > the most coverage! Wake up from that stupor of yours, Gareth!!! e.g.
TEXAS is
> > also BIG, but why wasn't that STATE targeted!?
>
> How could they target a whole state? The terrorists didn't even target
> New York - just a large building in it. Don't try and compare things
> that aren't even vaguely similar. Secondly, they targetted NY because
> it was the largest city in the US, which I think is more significant
> than any world profile it has. It is America that is passionately hated
> in many parts of the world.
Well spoken, Bruce!! Actually, New York's WTC was not the only target,
and our "experts" are theorizing now that the flight that hit the Pentagon's
principal target was the White House, but the plane was unable to slow
down enough to hit it. The Pentagon and the Capitol (which is now assumed
to be the target of the downed flight in Pennsylvania) are the two largest
buildings in the District of Columbia.
Other potential targets (pure speculation through based on circumstancial
evidence provided through newscasts) have been mentioned as Atlanta,
San Antonio, and Los Angeles, and there was a speech tonight by US
Attorney General Ashcroft in which a news announcer stated "there were
several other objectives (in the Tuesday attack) and there were follow up
terrorist objectives for late September.
To further speculate and offer my own WAG, I can only assume the
potential Atlanta target to be Hartsfield Airport (the busiest airport in
the
world) or the Coca-Cola building - not the city's largest, but the world's
most recognized brand.
For San Antonio, I can only think of the Alamo, an extremely significant
building representing the Texan (and thus American) fighting spirit. The
Alamo, however, is a very small building, even compared to the White
House, but it is very difficult to get a truck bomb to because of the way
it is protected by walls and fencing.
As for LA, I imagine the targets would be endless.
It seems as though there had to be a priority in mind for the terrorists
in their choice of targets, of what order I have no idea; 1) large
numbers of people, 2) high degree of symbolism, 3) easily reached
press coverage.
I repeat, the sites I mentioned have no reported basis, my assumptions
are based on facts that material witnesses have been seized in suspect
circumstances in or near the cities I mentioned.
Paul
Kareem
"pwc" <paul.cm...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Agree with you both and not bravado of the first poster. (New Yorkers
believe all those thing BTW)
...............who is *Bruce*!?!?
--
Kareem
Pax Vobiscum
Julian
"DarrinT68" <darr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> In a message dated 9/17/01 8:23:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Gareth.M...@pobox.com writes:
>
> << Oh, grow up. The terrorists attacked New York because it's big *in the
> USA*, not because it's the "hub of the world". They (assuming everyone's
guess
> about who did it is right) hate the USA because they don't like its
foreign
> policies. >>
>
> Gareth, you are the one who needs to GROW UP and accept the realities that
be!
> Firstly, terrorists hate America, because it's still the most powerful and
> influential nation in the world!
Possibly.
DOH! The greatest DEMOCRACY in the world!
No, that's India you're thinking of.
The
> greatest economy and standard of living in the world.
I think you'll find that's Sweden or Canada.
The greatest military
> force in the world.
Not according the NVA and their pointy sticks.
The first nation to land on the moon.
Undeniably true.
Are you also going to
> sit there and continue to insist that NYC is not the "cultural, financial,
and
> media capital of the world," in spite of this recent tragedy!?
Cultural no, financial probably, media no.
In spite of the
> living institutions that reside within the city itself: THE UNITED
NATIONS, THE
> WTC (formerly represented the world's trade and wealth), STATUE OF
LIBERTY,
> WALL STREET, NY STOCK EXCHANGE, BROADWAY, THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE, ELLIS
ISLAND,
> RADIO/BROADCASTING CAPITAL, FASHION CAPITAL, DIAMOND DISTRICT CAPITAL,
RETAIL &
> GARMENT CAPITAL, EMPIRE STATE BUILDING, ROCKEFELLER PLAZA/CENTER, MADISON
> SQUARE GARDEN (world's most famous arena), TIMES SQUARE ("crossroads of
the
> world"), SECOND HOME TO HOLLYWOOD (200+ films are shot on location year
round,
All largely irrelevant to a non-American.
> soon to be home to a billion + dollar movie studio), YANKEE STADIUM ("the
house
> that Babe Ruth built", NY YANKEES are the winningest team in the history
of
> baseball),
Hardly anyone in the World plays baseball apert from Americans. Still that
does ensure a US win!
CENTRAL PARK (world's most famous recreational park),
Most famous mugging place in the World.
CONEY ISLAND
> (world's most famous amusement park),
Never heard of it. Thought Disneyland might be considered more so.
etc, etc. A city that has stood as a
> symbol for freedom and individuality for 200+ years. FYI: 12 million
immigrants
> flocked to NEW YORK SHORES and ELLIS ISLAND from 1892-1924. And the
millions
> more who have flocked and continue to flock, all in search of freedom and
> opportunity.
You just don't let them in any more.
Gareth, there comes a time when your jealousy must take the back
> seat to concession! ehe These terrorists targeted the WORLD TRADE BUILDING
for
> one simple reason: MANHATTAN stands as a core symbol of everything that
they
> deplored about America: finance, wealth, trade, culture, Democracy,
> independence. e.g.
And of course it appears to have been an easy target.
The same reason why the BEATLES chose to begin their
> invasion in NYC is similar to the reasons why these terrorists chose NYC.
You
> go with the biggest and best city in the world, because it provides you
with
> the most coverage!
I think you'll find New York quite small in world terms. Mexico City could
swallow it up many times.
pwc
> > Well spoken, Bruce!! Actually, New York's WTC was not the only ..
>
> Agree with you both and not bravado of the first poster. (New Yorkers
> believe all those thing BTW)
> ...............who is *Bruce*!?!?
>
> --
> Kareem
> Pax Vobiscum
>
and the theme of the rant brought it out of me.. I promise to leave my
Monty Python emotions in the other newsgroup..
Paul
Andrew Chaplin
> I think you'll find that's Sweden or Canada.
You're thinking of the UN's Human Development Index which is not just
a measure of standard of living. Norway, Australia and Canada are the
top three on that measure. By SoL alone, the U.S. is out in front by
virtue of its economy.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
Julian
"Andrew Chaplin" <abch...@yourfinger.home.com> wrote in message
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> Julian wrote:
>
> > I think you'll find that's Sweden or Canada.
>
> You're thinking of the UN's Human Development Index which is not just
> a measure of standard of living. Norway, Australia and Canada are the
> top three on that measure. By SoL alone, the U.S. is out in front by
> virtue of its economy.
> --
figures, just my experience of visiting those countries.
Andrew Chaplin
to say about them.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
"Julian" <jgph...@blueyonderDELETE.co.uk> wrote in message
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M.J.Powell
<abch...@yourfinger.home.com> writes
>Julian wrote:
>
>> I think you'll find that's Sweden or Canada.
>
>You're thinking of the UN's Human Development Index which is not just
>a measure of standard of living. Norway, Australia and Canada are the
>top three on that measure. By SoL alone, the U.S. is out in front by
>virtue of its economy.
Not Kuwait?
Mike
--
M.J.Powell
Kareem
Ahhhh! The infamous Australian Bruce sketch. Sorry for being dense.
Thanks Bruce {belch!!!!!}. (Don't mention it, Bruce)
--
Kareem
Pax Vobiscum
Andrew Chaplin
> Ahhhh! The infamous Australian Bruce sketch. Sorry for being dense.
> Thanks Bruce {belch!!!!!}. (Don't mention it, Bruce)
"Alright if we call you 'Bruce', just to avoid confusion?"
Rabid Bee
> and the theme of the rant brought it out of me.. I promise to leave my
> Monty Python emotions in the other newsgroup..
Can I be Bruce from the Philosophy department?...
"Eeee-manual Kant was a real pissant,
He was very rarely stable!
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy old begger,
He could drink you under a table!..."
Cheers, alex
Andrew Chaplin
> "Eeee-manual Kant was a real pissant,
> He was very rarely stable!
> Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy old begger,
> He could drink you under a table!..."
You also get to be in charge of the sheep dip. (Not the "Sheep Dip", a
fairly good vatted malt sold here by the Liquour Control Board of Ontario,
*I* get to be in charge of that.)
"Those are all crickers, Bruce." "Aow, spit!" "Howls of derisive laughter,
Bruce"
pwc
> Kareem wrote:
>
> > Ahhhh! The infamous Australian Bruce sketch. Sorry for being dense.
> > Thanks Bruce {belch!!!!!}. (Don't mention it, Bruce)
>
> "Alright if we call you 'Bruce', just to avoid confusion?"
"Good evening, Ladies and Bruces."
Paul
Julian
> It's not that I approved of the other points, it's just that I had nothing
> to say about them.
> --
Andrew Chaplin
> :-) If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. .
So be it. :-)
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