Re: Dear River, Grace and other out of fashion ASHers
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>
> Well Mr. Knight in Shining armour it sure is bad it must be said.
Oh, Carl. And the whirligig again.
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...
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is he trolling in a suicide group again
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Not sure. Got him plonked
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> It saddens me that you think of yourself as a witless fool Carl.
>
What are you on about now?
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Not worth bothering with, eh ? You are probably right.
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Bill, the only person here worth bothering for is the woman who has traveled
across oceans to see you. And her name is Pink. All the rest here are shit.
And unreliable shit. Untrustworthy shit. Sell you up the river shit. They
are shit. Drug abusing shit. Skid row bar shit. Drunken barroom scum shit.
Rolling in the ditch shit. Shit plain and simple. Shit. Pure shit. Shit,
shit, shit and more shit. All of them are shit, except Pink. And that is a
fact.
mario707707
>
> Bill, the only person here worth bothering for is the woman who has traveled
> across oceans to see you. And her name is Pink. All the rest here are shit.
> And unreliable shit. Untrustworthy shit. Sell you up the river shit. They
> are shit. Drug abusing shit. Skid row bar shit. Drunken barroom scum shit.
> Rolling in the ditch shit. Shit plain and simple. Shit. Pure shit. Shit,
> shit, shit and more shit. All of them are shit, except Pink. And that is a
> fact.
17 times you describe this place as "shit". And yet, day
after day, year after year, you come to visit this "shit".
If you really think it's "shit", then your actions say more
about you than anything else. If I thought it was "shit", I
certainly would never come here.
Lamey
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It's a canadian thing.
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mario707707
In India they burn manure for heat; you're saying that
Patrick comes here for the warmth? Kanuk's are always cold.
Psychotic Chicken
>
>"Psychotic Chicken" <bi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> In message <hc0jjl$m06$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, "@"
>> <inv...@invalid.invalid> writes
>>>"Psychotic Chicken" <bi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well Mr. Knight in Shining armour it sure is bad it must be said.
>>>
>>>
>>>Oh, Carl. And the whirligig again.
>>>
>>>Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Not worth bothering with, eh ? You are probably right.
>>
>
>
>Bill, the only person here worth bothering for is the woman who has traveled
>across oceans to see you. And her name is Pink. All the rest here are shit.
>And unreliable shit. Untrustworthy shit. Sell you up the river shit. They
>are shit. Drug abusing shit. Skid row bar shit. Drunken barroom scum shit.
>Rolling in the ditch shit. Shit plain and simple. Shit. Pure shit. Shit,
>shit, shit and more shit. All of them are shit, except Pink. And that is a
>fact.
>
>
That's good to know.
Now where were we ?
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Psychotic Chicken
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"mario707707" <mario...@gmail.com> wrote:
17 times you describe this place as "shit". And yet, day
after day, year after year, you come to visit this "shit".
If you really think it's "shit", then your actions say more
about you than anything else. If I thought it was "shit", I
certainly would never come here.
-------------------
Well, asshole, I had not been here for a week. But I did read postings by
you taunting me to come back. If you want me out of here, keep your mouth
shut. Because I'll be more than happy to ruin this shit hole of a group with
hundreds of useless postings.
As for you, stay away from young people. We all know what happened last
time. http://suzyslaw.com/
I don't think it's a matter of *if* you do this again. It's *when*.
Especially when you are popping those "happy pills" you like so much and
getting all spiritual and believing that you are holier than thou and some
sort of God or guru for suicidal young people, right? You saying that you
killed Suzy Gonzales, because it was your destiny like Pontius Pilot, was
pretty alarming and a real eye opener. I listened to a radio show a few
weeks ago. Along with Dinkel, you were the topic. They tried to have you
charged. The DA's office has a file on you. They also hired attorneys in
Florida to look into your ASH activities involving Suzy. Those files appear
to be closed now. And you have gotten off Scott free, so it appears, even
though you did admit to killing Suzy Gonzales over the Internet.
Some people here believe that you should be given another chance. I am not
sure if a still practicing pill popper who has already admitted to killing
one person over the Internet should be given another chance. Similar to the
person who molested a child at a daycare center should not ever be allowed
back the the daycare center. Anyone who supports your activities will be
just as guilty as you are if someone else dies.
And as for ASH? It is a toilet that needs to be flushed and disinfected.
It's just a dirty old skid row bar that needs a backhoe to knock it down.
Sort of like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkZ38CDPYl0
I think you get the general idea. It's odd that a lot of people I have
talked with who have left this group for good have told me that they should
had never come here in the first place and that ASH was the worst place they
could had ended up in. I think they are right, especially with admitted
killers in the mix. My advice to you is to lay off the prescription drugs
("happy pills", as you call them) and stop communicating with young people
from ASH behind the scenes, or anywhere else for that matter.
(-:arl
> "mario707707" <mario707...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 17 times you describe this place as "shit". And yet, day
> after day, year after year, you come to visit this "shit".
> If you really think it's "shit", then your actions say more
> about you than anything else. If I thought it was "shit", I
> certainly would never come here.
>
> -------------------
>
> Well, asshole, I had not been here for a week. But I did read postings by
> you taunting me to come back.
Link?
> If you want me out of here, keep your mouth
> shut. Because I'll be more than happy to ruin this shit hole of a group with
> hundreds of useless postings.
That's *real* badassness. You're my hero man. Can i touch you bicep?
>
> As for you, stay away from young people. We all know what happened last
> time.http://suzyslaw.com/
>
> I don't think it's a matter of *if* you do this again. It's *when*.
> Especially when you are popping those "happy pills" you like so much and
> getting all spiritual and believing that you are holier than thou and some
> sort of God or guru for suicidal young people, right? You saying that you
> killed Suzy Gonzales, because it was your destiny like Pontius Pilot, was
> pretty alarming and a real eye opener. I listened to a radio show a few
> weeks ago. Along with Dinkel, you were the topic. They tried to have you
> charged. The DA's office has a file on you.
I'd like to check out their programming. Gotta link to the station's
website?
> They also hired attorneys in
> Florida to look into your ASH activities involving Suzy. Those files appear
> to be closed now. And you have gotten off Scott free, so it appears, even
> though you did admit to killing Suzy Gonzales over the Internet.
>
> Some people here believe that you should be given another chance. I am not
> sure if a still practicing pill popper who has already admitted to killing
> one person over the Internet should be given another chance. Similar to the
> person who molested a child at a daycare center should not ever be allowed
> back the the daycare center. Anyone who supports your activities will be
> just as guilty as you are if someone else dies.
>
> And as for ASH? It is a toilet that needs to be flushed and disinfected.
> It's just a dirty old skid row bar that needs a backhoe to knock it down.
> Sort of like this.
I'm sure you're just the man for job too.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkZ38CDPYl0
>
> I think you get the general idea. It's odd that a lot of people I have
> talked with who have left this group for good have told me that they should
> had never come here in the first place and that ASH was the worst place they
> could had ended up in.
Alotta people who have left this group talked to *you!?* You're
joking.
This must be ancient history, right?
> I think they are right, especially with admitted
> killers in the mix. My advice to you is to lay off the prescription drugs
> ("happy pills", as you call them) and stop communicating with young people
> from ASH behind the scenes, or anywhere else for that matter.
"Yay".
An abusive, trolling, spamming broken-record of a guy with nothing
better to say other to say than posting youtube links is gonna have
some worthwhile advice.
Psychotic Chicken
<c575305b-fc97-4c58...@q14g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
mario707707 <mario...@gmail.com> writes
>On Oct 25, 4:01�am, "@" <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>> Bill, the only person here worth bothering for is the woman who has traveled
>> across oceans to see you. And her name is Pink. All the rest here are shit.
>> And unreliable shit. Untrustworthy shit. Sell you up the river shit. They
>> are shit. Drug abusing shit. Skid row bar shit. Drunken barroom scum shit.
>> Rolling in the ditch shit. Shit plain and simple. Shit. Pure shit. Shit,
>> shit, shit and more shit. All of them are shit, except Pink. And that is a
>> fact.
>
>17 times you describe this place as "shit".
He described the people as shit. You don't disagree. Presumably because
I and a few others are here the place itself isn't entirely shit.
>And yet, day
>after day, year after year, you come to visit this "shit".
>If you really think it's "shit", then your actions say more
>about you than anything else. If I thought it was "shit", I
>certainly would never come here.
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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/YellowRibbon/2009/10/09/Suicide-Prevention-Surviving-and-Advocacy
Mike and Mary come in at about the 27:30 minute mark to talk about Suzy.
Lamey
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>
> "mario707707" <mario...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 17 times you describe this place as "shit". And yet, day
> after day, year after year, you come to visit this "shit".
> If you really think it's "shit", then your actions say more
> about you than anything else. If I thought it was "shit", I
> certainly would never come here.
>
>
> -------------------
>
> Well, asshole, I had not been here for a week. But I did read postings
> by you taunting me to come back. If you want me out of here, keep your
> mouth shut. Because I'll be more than happy to ruin this shit hole of
> a group with hundreds of useless postings.
Been training under %?...LOL
>
> As for you, stay away from young people. We all know what happened
> last time. http://suzyslaw.com/
>
> I don't think it's a matter of *if* you do this again. It's *when*.
> Especially when you are popping those "happy pills" you like so much
> and getting all spiritual and believing that you are holier than thou
> and some sort of God or guru for suicidal young people, right? You
> saying that you killed Suzy Gonzales, because it was your destiny like
> Pontius Pilot, was pretty alarming and a real eye opener. I listened
> to a radio show a few weeks ago. Along with Dinkel, you were the
> topic. They tried to have you charged. The DA's office has a file on
> you. They also hired attorneys in Florida to look into your ASH
> activities involving Suzy. Those files appear to be closed now. And
> you have gotten off Scott free, so it appears, even though you did
> admit to killing Suzy Gonzales over the Internet.
Appealled...LOL
>
> Some people here believe that you should be given another chance. I am
> not sure if a still practicing pill popper who has already admitted to
> killing one person over the Internet should be given another chance.
> Similar to the person who molested a child at a daycare center should
> not ever be allowed back the the daycare center. Anyone who supports
> your activities will be just as guilty as you are if someone else
> dies.
Prove where he ever killed anyone.
>
> And as for ASH? It is a toilet that needs to be flushed and
> disinfected. It's just a dirty old skid row bar that needs a backhoe
> to knock it down. Sort of like this.
So you admit you hang out in dirty old skid row bars...LOL
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkZ38CDPYl0
I don't go to posted websites....LOL
>
> I think you get the general idea. It's odd that a lot of people I have
> talked with who have left this group for good have told me that they
> should had never come here in the first place and that ASH was the
> worst place they could had ended up in. I think they are right,
> especially with admitted killers in the mix. My advice to you is to
> lay off the prescription drugs ("happy pills", as you call them) and
> stop communicating with young people from ASH behind the scenes, or
> anywhere else for that matter.
>
>
I'm sure they come to hear your wisdom?....LOL
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No one cares.
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Psychotic Chicken
<inv...@invalid.invalid> writes
>
>"mario707707" <mario...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>17 times you describe this place as "shit". And yet, day
>after day, year after year, you come to visit this "shit".
>If you really think it's "shit", then your actions say more
>about you than anything else. If I thought it was "shit", I
>certainly would never come here.
>
>
>-------------------
>
>Well, asshole, I had not been here for a week. But I did read postings by
>you taunting me to come back. If you want me out of here, keep your mouth
>shut. Because I'll be more than happy to ruin this shit hole of a group with
>hundreds of useless postings.
He just wants you around so he can fight with you. That is the purpose
you serve to him.
If he can fight with you then maybe he can scare the suicidal ASHers
into silence and then pretend he rules here ... or some other nonsense.
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"Psychotic Chicken" <bi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> He just wants you around so he can fight with you. That is the purpose
> you serve to him.
But he hates it when I fight back. Then he bitches and whines and cries and
complains and cries foul. Maybe he should just STFU and get a life.
> If he can fight with you then maybe he can scare the suicidal ASHers into
> silence and then pretend he rules here ... or some other nonsense.
You know, Bill. I don't think it's a matter of if John does what he did to
someone like Suzy again, it's when.
(-:arl
>
> 17 times you describe this place as "shit". And yet, day
> after day, year after year, you come to visit this "shit".
> If you really think it's "shit", then your actions say more
> about you than anything else. If I thought it was "shit", I
> certainly would never come here.
>
> -------------------
>
> Well, asshole, I had not been here for a week. But I did read postings by
> you taunting me to come back. If you want me out of here, keep your mouth
> shut. Because I'll be more than happy to ruin this shit hole of a group with
> hundreds of useless postings.
>
> As for you, stay away from young people. We all know what happened last
>
> I don't think it's a matter of *if* you do this again. It's *when*.
> Especially when you are popping those "happy pills" you like so much and
> getting all spiritual and believing that you are holier than thou and some
> sort of God or guru for suicidal young people, right? You saying that you
> killed Suzy Gonzales, because it was your destiny like Pontius Pilot, was
> pretty alarming and a real eye opener.
If you knew anything Pat, other than your blind hatred, you would know
who's destiny is being talked about there. Pontius Pilot turned Christ
over to the Jews coz it was His, Christ's, destiny to die. That's
who's destiny is being spoken of there.
And since i'm going by the link you provided.
That's the only way in which river's role makes any sense. It makes no
sense at all to say river said it was his destiny to kill Suzy. And
the way i read the whole thing is-- As Christ laid down his life, coz
it was within his power, not to. So was Suzy doing the same thing....
As it was also in her power.
That's the only way that makes sense.
> I listened to a radio show a few
> weeks ago. Along with Dinkel, you were the topic. They tried to have you
> charged. The DA's office has a file on you. They also hired attorneys in
> Florida to look into your ASH activities involving Suzy. Those files appear
> to be closed now. And you have gotten off Scott free, so it appears, even
> though you did admit to killing Suzy Gonzales over the Internet.
Like i just said. That's not at all what he is saying there.
>
> Some people here believe that you should be given another chance. I am not
> sure if a still practicing pill popper who has already admitted to killing
> one person over the Internet should be given another chance. Similar to the
> person who molested a child at a daycare center should not ever be allowed
> back the the daycare center. Anyone who supports your activities will be
> just as guilty as you are if someone else dies.
I gotta say Pat. Right now, it is you who is coming off sounding self
righteous.
Lamey
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That lawsuit has him up in arms.
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LOL
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"Lamey" <tean...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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LOL! And John, aka "River" must had been some sort of drug induced psychosis
when he posted what he did. Me thinks when your good buddy John gets into
his happy pills, he believes he is some sort of messiah. Suzy never had a
chance at recovery with the likes of river around. Too bad she is dead. Too
bad John did what he did. Too bad you are so st00pid and too bad you support
this asshole. When it happens again, you can explain to the world why you
defended him. But like most drug addicts, you stick together until one of
you sobers up and gets a life and moves on.
@
>
> "(-:arl" <cbr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
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> I gotta say Pat. Right now, it is you who is coming off sounding self
> righteous.
Keep at it, Carl. And when another kid turns up dead, then you can explain
to the world why you supported the likes of John, aka "River".
"I'll get so flamed for this, but ask me if I care?
You are the best new blood in here for months.
Along with Suzy. And the cyanide should take care
of that tonite.
River"
That was a 50 year old John, talking about his "dear friend", Suzy, a 19
year old female, who he admitted to "walking" and "talking" through suicide.
I'll never agree with what John did with Suzy. You sick and twisted barroom
style drug addicts can keep trying. But I'll never offer the creep the
support you all have. As I said before it's not *IF* John does this again,
it's *WHEN*.
(-:arl
> "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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>
>
>
> > "(-:arl" <cbr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
> >news:a2f69fef-88da-477f...@j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> > I gotta say Pat. Right now, it is you who is coming off sounding self
> > righteous.
>
> Keep at it, Carl. And when another kid turns up dead, then you can explain
> to the world why you supported the likes of John, aka "River"
<pat's Pat on the head> Why don't you lemme worry about that. Okay?.
>
> "I'll get so flamed for this, but ask me if I care?
> You are the best new blood in here for months.
> Along with Suzy. And the cyanide should take care
> of that tonite.
> River"
Link? It's not that i don't trust you Pat. But i don't. I've never
known you *not to take a quote outta context to "make your point"
>
> That was a 50 year old John, talking about his "dear friend", Suzy, a 19
> year old female, who he admitted to "walking" and "talking" through suicide.
> I'll never agree with what John did with Suzy. You sick and twisted barroom
> style drug addicts can keep trying. But I'll never offer the creep the
> support you all have. As I said before it's not *IF* John does this again,
> it's *WHEN*.
And is this somehow supposed to be believable? After ALL the times
i've called you on taking shit outta context. You fucked you're own
credibility here Pat... It's impossible for me to believe anything you
say without reading it myself. In fact, i've caught you in so many
lies, that just the fact it's coming outta your mouth just you've
cooked it up, by taking it outta context. You'd be better off with a
spokesman.
Lamey
> On Oct 25, 9:17�pm, "@" <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:Kvadne_y_OOAknjX...@giganews.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > "(-:arl" <cbr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
>> >news:a2f69fef-88da-477f-86b2-76484158a913
@j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com
>> >...
>> > I gotta say Pat. Right now, it is you who is coming off sounding
>> > self righteous.
>>
>> Keep at it, Carl. And when another kid turns up dead, then you can
>> explai
> n
>> to the world why you supported the likes of John, aka "River"
>
> <pat's Pat on the head> Why don't you lemme worry about that. Okay?.
>>
>> � � "I'll get so flamed for this, but ask me if I care?
>> � � You are the best new blood in here for months.
>> � � Along with Suzy. And the cyanide should take care
>> � � of that tonite.
>> � � River"
>
> Link? It's not that i don't trust you Pat. But i don't. I've never
> known you *not to take a quote outta context to "make your point"
You noticed that about him too.lol
>>
>> That was a 50 year old John, talking about his "dear friend", Suzy, a
>> 19 year old female, who he admitted to "walking" and "talking"
>> through suici
> de.
>> I'll never agree with what John did with Suzy. You sick and twisted
>> barro
> om
>> style drug addicts can keep trying. But I'll never offer the creep
>> the support you all have. As I said before it's not *IF* John does
>> this again
> ,
>> it's *WHEN*.
>
> And is this somehow supposed to be believable? After ALL the times
> i've called you on taking shit outta context. You fucked you're own
> credibility here Pat... It's impossible for me to believe anything you
> say without reading it myself. In fact, i've caught you in so many
> lies, that just the fact it's coming outta your mouth just you've
> cooked it up, by taking it outta context. You'd be better off with a
> spokesman.
>
>
lol
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lieing rocks
Psychotic Chicken
<inv...@invalid.invalid> writes
>
>"Psychotic Chicken" <bi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> He just wants you around so he can fight with you. That is the purpose
>> you serve to him.
>
>But he hates it when I fight back. Then he bitches and whines and cries and
>complains and cries foul. Maybe he should just STFU and get a life.
He is a loser and he is down for life. We apparently owe him a debt
because he can never have what we have and that is our fault.
That is one of the reasons he attacks us so vehemently.
>
>> If he can fight with you then maybe he can scare the suicidal ASHers into
>> silence and then pretend he rules here ... or some other nonsense.
>
>You know, Bill. I don't think it's a matter of if John does what he did to
>someone like Suzy again, it's when.
Sure ... River has to take his revenge on humanity for making him the
way he is.
Destroying the life of some innocent girl who never hurt anyone is a
small price to pay for that.
>
>
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>
> "(-:arl" <cbr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 25, 9:17 pm, "@" <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:Kvadne_y_OOAknjX...@giganews.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > "(-:arl" <cbr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
>> >news:a2f69fef-88da-477f...@j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> > I gotta say Pat. Right now, it is you who is coming off sounding self
>> > righteous.
>>
>> Keep at it, Carl. And when another kid turns up dead, then you can
>> explain
>> to the world why you supported the likes of John, aka "River"
>
> <pat's Pat on the head> Why don't you lemme worry about that. Okay?.
>>
>> "I'll get so flamed for this, but ask me if I care?
>> You are the best new blood in here for months.
>> Along with Suzy. And the cyanide should take care
>> of that tonite.
>> River"
>
> Link?
Here you go, drug addict:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.suicide.holiday/msg/7cc306442166af3f?hl=en&dmode=source
John posted this just hours before Suzy died, when instead he should had
reported Suzy's suicide attempt to the police or her family. She was just a
19 year old kid, not even of legal age to drink. John was a 50 year old man
with a son about 1.5 year younger than Suzy. A lot of people are pissed off
about what John did.
Now go check in to bloody detox and then get into rehab. How many times have
you ended up in the hospital and psych wards for drug abuse, Carl? Don't you
think it's time to get some help? John also likes his "happy pills" as he
calls them. He appears to like to keep a pocket full of them. Like I said,
you users like to stick together no matter what. And again, it's not *IF*
John does this again, it's *WHEN*. And come hell or high water I'll make
bloody sure the world knows all the names of the people who protected John
aka "River" and defended John's activities on ASH if anyone else gets hurt
or dies.
(-:arl
> "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
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> > "(-:arl" <cbr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
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> > On Oct 25, 9:17 pm, "@" <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> >>news:Kvadne_y_OOAknjX...@giganews.com...
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> >> > "(-:arl" <cbr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:a2f69fef-88da-477f...@j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> >> > I gotta say Pat. Right now, it is you who is coming off sounding self
> >> > righteous.
>
> >> Keep at it, Carl. And when another kid turns up dead, then you can
> >> explain
> >> to the world why you supported the likes of John, aka "River"
>
> > <pat's Pat on the head> Why don't you lemme worry about that. Okay?.
>
> >> "I'll get so flamed for this, but ask me if I care?
> >> You are the best new blood in here for months.
> >> Along with Suzy. And the cyanide should take care
> >> of that tonite.
> >> River"
>
> > Link?
>
> Here you go, drug addict:
>
>
> John posted this just hours before Suzy died, when instead he should had
> reported Suzy's suicide attempt to the police or her family. She was just a
> 19 year old kid, not even of legal age to drink. John was a 50 year old man
> with a son about 1.5 year younger than Suzy. A lot of people are pissed off
> about what John did.
>
> Now go check in to bloody detox and then get into rehab. How many times have
> you ended up in the hospital and psych wards for drug abuse, Carl? Don't you
> think it's time to get some help? John also likes his "happy pills" as he
> calls them. He appears to like to keep a pocket full of them. Like I said,
> you users like to stick together no matter what.
You run outta facts to twist Pat? You sound a little frustrated. You
get caught in in YOUR OWN lies, and you resort to this kinna
scurrilous attacks. None would be the answer to your "question".
> And again, it's not *IF*
> John does this again, it's *WHEN*. And come hell or high water I'll make
> bloody sure the world knows all the names of the people who protected John
> aka "River" and defended John's activities on ASH if anyone else gets hurt
> or dies.
Well actually, that's what you want isn't it? To be right. ....Which
explains alot.
Doug
After you asked for the link, it was provided.
All you have left to say about the matter is "thank you for that link"
But you didn't say thank you.
It is apparent why you didn't say thank you to Pat.
What is not apparent is why, with this information about John now
confirmed, you want to defend the creep.
Or why ANYONE would defend the creep.
Doug
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"Doug" <drw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The link, Carl, the link. ^^^
> > John posted this just hours before Suzy died, when instead he should had
> > reported Suzy's suicide attempt to the police or her family. She was
> > just a
> > 19 year old kid, not even of legal age to drink. John was a 50 year old
> > man
> > with a son about 1.5 year younger than Suzy. A lot of people are pissed
> > off
> > about what John did.
>
> > Now go check in to bloody detox and then get into rehab. How many times
> > have
> > you ended up in the hospital and psych wards for drug abuse, Carl? Don't
> > you
> > think it's time to get some help? John also likes his "happy pills" as
> > he
> > calls them. He appears to like to keep a pocket full of them. Like I
> > said,
> > you users like to stick together no matter what.
>
> You run outta facts to twist Pat? You sound a little frustrated. You
> get caught in in YOUR OWN lies, and you resort to this kinna
> scurrilous attacks. None would be the answer to your "question".
+++ Carl, how many time during the past 5 years have you been admitted to
hospital and/or psych wards for issues concerning your drug abuse?
> > And again, it's not *IF*
> > John does this again, it's *WHEN*. And come hell or high water I'll make
> > bloody sure the world knows all the names of the people who protected
> > John
> > aka "River" and defended John's activities on ASH if anyone else gets
> > hurt
> > or dies.
>
> Well actually, that's what you want isn't it? To be right. ....Which
> explains alot.
+++ Carl, I do not want to be right about the death of another person like
Suzy.
(-:arl
THANK YOU FOR THE LINK.
WTF? You think i'm gonna take *this guy at his "word"?? I'm damn good
and sure gonna check out anything he tells me.
Shall i get after him for all the links and evidence he *hasn't*
provided me when i asked? You wanna example?
You gotta problem with correcting what Pat had taken outta context?
Or are you the same way? _It's fair to make allegations by taking
things outta context?
(-:arl
(-:arl
> "Doug" <drwi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Thank you
Doug
>
> You gotta problem with correcting what Pat had taken outta context?
> Or are you the same way? _It's fair to make allegations by taking
> things outta context?
I have to go to bed now. It is past my bedtime.
But no, I don't think you need to trust anyone about anything.
However, when you doubt about something so serious as actually doing
what John admitted doing, and the evidence of what John did always
existed, then seeing that evidence must create some feelings in you
about John misleading you about his own character. It is THAT problem
that surfaces here. It is no longer fair for you to accuse Pat of
taking this issue out of context. It IS fair for you to think for
yourself, not as a social member of ASH, and to ask yourself if you
have been misled by John and his friends. If so, why would they do
that? If you can't find an answer to that question for yourself, you
might then examine if you remain in ASH because of false acceptance or
if it is due to other's manipulation of you for their own wrongful
reasons.
We don't need more Dinkels or Sheffields playing with the genuinely
suicidals that find their way into ASH.
Doug
(-:arl
Why do you ask?
(-:arl
You're joking. I see Pat continually take words outta context to fling
shit, And you dare question my judge of character while ignoring
THAT??... And then you expect me to believe what he says, when i know
from first hand experience he can't be trusted.... And i'm supposed to
perform this blind leap of idiocy because you share the same opinion
of river?
If Pat wanted to be believed he shuudda started behaving with some
common decency long ago.
> It is no longer fair for you to accuse Pat of
> taking this issue out of context. It IS fair for you to think for
> yourself,
Uuuh, Doug. I just caught the guy in *another* of his lies. He's
repeatedly proven to me he can't be trusted. Now i catch him red
handed, and you say i should think for myself??
You're asking me to *not* think. Want me to ignore it do you?
> not as a social member of ASH, and to ask yourself if you
> have been misled by John and his friends.
Listen. Pay close attention to this. I have caught Pat REPEATEDLY
taking river's words out of context. I not only check the links he
posts. I read the entire thread, and all the external references in
the threads. And when something's not making sense, i try to find the
posts that might be in other threads, to make it, make sense. .
.....I have checked Pat's "facts" for myself... Now if your good buddy
had ever had any points to make concerning river. He should have
posted the truth.
You know who showed me river's character? Pat did. And he showed me,
he was on a serious hate vendetta to smear river...
I know river aint no saint. I know he seriously fucked up there. -
I've read it-..... But nothing like what you're trying to convince me.
> If so, why would they do
> that? If you can't find an answer to that question for yourself, you
> might then examine if you remain in ASH because of false acceptance or
> if it is due to other's manipulation of you for their own wrongful
> reasons.
I - have - read - everything - Pat - has - posted.... And then some.
And that's why you're not able to convince me of wattcha'd like to.
>
> We don't need more Dinkels or Sheffields playing with the genuinely
> suicidals that find their way into ASH.
>
> Doug
I've read them Doug. I've read yours. I've read HG's. I've read
Pat's.... To tell you the truth. I've learned to double check all you
guys. ..Sorry. I don't see it your way..... Or no i'm not sorry,
actually.
mario707707
Carl,
It's pretty amazing that some people still do the research
and realize that P****** and D*** and B*** have taken words
out of context and twisted them around to make others look
bad when they are very guilty of their own transgressions.
What has happened is that those three men, and others, have
done things here that they aren't proud of, and they decided
to try and focus all of the negative attention on others.
It's easy to believe the lies when they are repeated on a
regular basis.
Having said that, I'm very unhappy with some of the things
that I posted because of the way those things were used
against me, but I'm in a crowd of people who have also done
the same, even though it wasn't our intention to be targeted
in such a manner.
If I had changed my words publicly or privately would
Suzy still be alive? One can speculate, but if you read the
posts, it's pretty evident that Suzy and others would have
died anyway. It's not all about Suzy; others here that no one
mentions would have ctb regardless, and the one thing that
I can say about the people that I call friends here: None of
them have ever ever pushed someone towards suicide, only away
from it if possible.
On the other side there are people here who have openly pushed
people towards suicide, and God only knows how many times they
succeeded. They are the ones yelling the loudest and longest.
Alexander Kalinowski
> Listen. Pay close attention to this. I have caught Pat REPEATEDLY
> taking river's words out of context.
Alex:
Where's the difference to Emo's/Illyria's/HG's picking out buzzwords out
of my posts?
And I have seen for myself repeatedly Grace doing that whenever she felt
like.
I'll tell you the difference: clique mentality. It's leading you to
focus on the one and to generously overlook the other.
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(-:arl
uuuuhh Amelia, dear. How erver did you find me here?
Lamey
b40e8e...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com:
> <sweats>
>
> uuuuhh Amelia, dear. How erver did you find me here?
>
a friend e mailed her some sooper sekret info.....LOL
--
purple
> Here is the radio show.
>
> http://www.blogtalkradio.com/YellowRibbon/2009/10/09/Suicide-Prevention-Surviving-and-Advocacy
Mike
>
> and Mary come in at about the 27:30 minute mark to talk about Suzy.
CLONING ESP by Bob Dobbs
There's no problem understanding another if we speak the same verbal
language. It's what my next move is going to be, whether verbal,
gestural, or indifferent, that is of interest to the other who just
spoke to me. And therein is the drama... of cognition. For both of us,
because I have to expect a response to my response from the other. Even
if we don't speak the same language, there will still be this drama of
response. And my response may satisfy what the other's foreign words
requested. Later, circumstances unfold that reveal a problem in what we
thought we communicated, in either case. In retrospect, we will wonder
how the previous exchange failed to declare the unforeseen problem.
This is the first rhythm of consciousness, of thought, of memory, of
the "subliminal" - of the consequences of extra-sensory perception
(ESP). This is the drama enacted in the Mutt and Jute section of
Finnegans Wake (p.16-1Cool, the first dialogue in the "book". Then
shortly after "James Joyce" writes:
"In the ignorance that implies impression that knits knowledge that
finds the nameform that whets the wits that convey contacts that
sweeten sensation that drives desire that adheres to attachment that
dogs death that bitches birth that entails the ensuance of
existentiality."
(p.1Cool.
The implied "impression" is ESP, is it not? And the "ignorance" is the
assumption that a connection has been made. The next ten clauses/stages
are the automatic, archetypal consequences of this environment of
perception. All of subsequent cultural production and residue proceeds
from that original drama... of cognition, however rudimentary the
utterance.
If one lives in Manhattan and gets the public-access channel 67, one
can watch well-made video tapes of Jiddu Krishnamurti (1895-1986), one
of the few men to reject the proffered role of "World Messiah", retrace
verbally and consciously every week (Tuesdays, 10 a.m.) the drama of
cognition between two or more human beings. Accessing Krishnamurti
through this video medium allows attention to the words, tones, and
facial expressions that cannot be equalled by those who attended the
original talk, or who read the transcript, no matter how successfully
they prepared beforehand by cleansing their auras, aligning their
chakras, or assuming the lotus meditation posture. The video experience
of Krishnamurti may be a distortion like any other medium, but this is
the closest we can come to experiencing the Ur-moment of the
"civilizing" impulse, next to having been there. The play of cognition
and the exchange of ESP is enacted before us weekly (different talks
each time) to the consternation of many - at least, that's how it
appears to my ESP.
Why call this human interplay "ESP"? Because the baggage of semantics
that comes with the word will obviously start an argument, which is the
verbal and gestural aspects of the drama of cognition itself. At any
rate, this particular argument has been going on for the entire history
of secular societies, high and low. It involves all questions of social
and personal control and who or what is the agent of such and whether
it is benign or malignant. And it involves all questions of ontology,
epistemology, and the physical structure of "existence". The history of
elitist social management especially hinges on two schools of thought
based on either
vertical symbolism
(dialectical and continuous) or
horizontal symbolism
(allegorical and discontinuous),
the Time school and the Space school, respectively. Briefly, the Time
school uses myth and the Space school uses norms. The former restrains
the passions of its citizens, and the latter places itself at the
centre and controls its citizens via the passions. The struggle for
power between these two elitist approaches was interrupted in the
nineteenth century with the acceleration in the creation of massive
environments of technological and communicative interaction. In the
twentieth century the Space school limped into the winner's circle by
default as the Time school was no longer capable of projecting an
appropriate image of the lever or helm of the ship of state. Both
schools were removed from the constitutive action, or formal causality,
of ESP generation and collective consciousness because the electric
telegraph was the first time the process of knowing had been extended
to involve all members of a culture and all other existing cultures in
the simultaneity of a collective equally-shared perception. The mirror
of this new social fact was the daily cross-section of the community in
action provided by the telegraph press. All the arts and sciences,
especially in the West, became subject to endless crisis in a futile
search for new models to restore old values and retrieve forgotten
traditions of ESP, both social and private.
To increase the potential for ESP between this writer and the
reader/lurker, let me replay the themes established so far: ESP as
pattern-recognition is a perceptual complex of mental and non-verbal
dance - the tactile sense. However, tactility, as used here, is not one
of the senses, but the interplay of the senses, evoking ordinary
consciousness. Electric technologies, from the telegraph on, when they
became generally used and environmental, simulated that ordinary
consciousness, the tactile ESP, collectively. So, personal ESP now
existed parallel with a collective, ongoing, dynamic ESP. Or, at least,
until recently. But before we discuss that situation, two aspects in
the drama of cognition and its simulation must be reviewed.
First, the blocking, so necessary to preserve individual identity, of
the intimate qualities of ESP is always communicated as well when human
beings interact. But when the Gutenberg printing press became an
environment five hundred years ago, this extension of the natural
blocking "process" enhanced its novelty character and became a valued
quality of social perception, of the social ESP. That is why the
scientific paradigms of Bacon, Descartes, and Newton dislodged the
paradigms of Natural Magic and Hermeticism. The inclusive, centripetal
meanings of ESP were displaced for the exclusive, centrifugal shades of
ESP. The pre-electric industrial technologies and their inevitable
environments only exaggerated the bifurcating qualities of the
collective consciousness. However, the inclusive qualities of the
social drama of cognition were renewed when the electric environments
were developed via the telegraph, telephone, radio, and television
technologies. That is why Blavatsky, Einstein, Gurdjieff, and Crowley
were able to derail the Newtonian locomotive. But the exclusive factors
quickly retorted with the automobile, movie, airplane, and satellite
environments. This accelerated macroscopic dialogue between the
exclusive (simulation of the Time, or vertical, school) and inclusive
(simulation of the Space, or horizontal, school) dancers in a "virtual"
drama of cognition left all perceptions and models of ESP (as the
exuberance of being through language) in the milieu of DANGLING
GANGLIA. The walls of Jericho in this technological drama finally
succumbed when the new medium of the instant replay became an
environment in the late sixties and early seventies. The fact that the
instant replay gave viewers the "meaning" before the "experience" had
immeasurable metaphysical consequences for the collective
consciousness. So "immeasurable" that the anticipatory aspects of ESP
were obsolesced. The subtle relationship between private and collective
awareness was irrevocably confused for the majority of human beings.
And then to add insult to injury, in the eighties, with the new digital
environment, the electronic networks bypassed simulation and came
alive, i.e., invaded ordinary collective consciousness with an intense
intimacy. Thus, consciousness and any perceptual complex - the network
of analogies - became doubtful and negotiable. The only practical
strategy for human beings was to valiently retrieve the iconic cliches
of stubborness, stupidity, and amnesia (all styles of "blocking") to
renew the archetype of collective consciousness as an ironic, modular
ESP. In short, the blocking and imploding features in the drama of
apprehension had reversed into opposite roles and purposes.
Communication of the "new" (ESP) was a miracle... but not impossible.
Secondly, there is an inescapable trend leading toward ultimate
implosion from the Telegraph phase to the Satellite phase. The
satellite is an important marker in this evolution towards fusion. If
you consider every technological environment an extension of the human
crowd, or entropic social Nature, rather than of biological Nature, or
negentropic first Nature, then because the satellite is alone of all
technologies a complete extension of the planet, or first Nature, by
being the first man-made inhabitable simulation of our "natural"
environment, it follows that the satellite is the first simultaneous
extension of both first and second Natures, and something unique and
unprecedented has occurred. This merging of the two Natures
"anticipates" and prefigures symbolically the bridging of the gap
("friction") between humanity and the environment. Also, this
"frictionless" condition is anticipated by the satellite as a symbol of
individual detachment from the historical prison of the crowd dynamic.
We are literally "out of town", and not just in another town, but "off
the planet". So the satellite includes both the synaesthesia of the
television medium and the co-anaesthesia of the computer medium. Since
the satellite is a prefiguring of this unprecedented frictionless state
and not the actual catalyst to this new condition for human beings, can
we confidently use our ESP to recognize the actual agency? I will now
jump ahead to a denouement that will surface in one or two years as a
major transforming environment - that of the confirmation of Professors
Fleischmann's and Pons' "cold fusion" energy source. Besides their
achieving of very positive results in their laboratories in France in
the early nineties, independent laboratories in Japan and the United
States have duplicated their results (see the November/98 issue of
WIRED magazine).This new technological breakthrough will turn the world
upside-down because history for the past 6,000 years has been based on
"friction" (in all senses of the word), but now we will enter into a
new unprecedented "frictionless energy "-based society where more
energy is available as output than was put in. So therefore, you might
be able to see how "fission precedes fusion" by considering the above
review of the friction(ESP) of crowds, if one considers each medium as
an extension of the crowd, as illustrating the stresses and strains in
the crowds' ESP. Even though the satellite was a symbolic actualizer of
this existential autonomy and solitude, its effect on the collective
consciousness created a purgatory of frustration because there would
not be a complementary situation of freedom from basic food, energy,
and shelter needs which still involved the "money crowd". But soon,
fortunately, the wide-scale availability of the "cold fusion"
surplus-energy source will bypass and resolve this "catch-22" dilemma
by allowing the individual to live anywhere once she has a cold-fusion
"battery". We will be relatively free of ground rent, or "visual
space", as an economic environment. But what is the fate of our drama
of cognition? That is, the fate of our flesh, our first Nature. Since
1900, our bodies, under electric conditions, could only be considered
as sub-atomic particles. But modern Physics, especially Quantum
modeling, has always only been describing our cultural modes. The same
applies to Modern Chemistry, particularly Genetics. However, our media,
or extensions of our crowd behavior, suffered the same fate after
television subsumed "everything" following World War Two. All media in
the cycle of technological civilization can be invoked in terms of the
same models from the physical sciences - they also, being extensions of
humanity's social Nature, were equivalent to quarks and nucleic acids.
In addition, all media, as the content of television, had to be shaped
along the "cool" iconic lines of the cartoon form, "the MAD vestibule
to TV". Today, the latest modeling from Physics is encompassed within
the theory of the "superstrings" (vibrating loops). This new metaphor
evokes a question that always lurks during the drama of cognition.
Namely, who or what is influencing our perception that we have not
considered? Are there invisible strings being pulled by an unnoticed
puppeteer? Are there connections in matter to make the strings
possible? (Echoes of the Time school?) Perhaps there are no connections
in matter, but is our cognition influenced by a field of resonating
suggestions the meanings of which we do not have to know to be
directed? (Echoes of the Space school?) So goes the drama. It was
Newton who tipped the scale in favor of the view there are connections
in space. His Optics dissertation created the meme that there is a
correspondence between the forms and textures of the outer world and
the inner faculties of perception and intellection. This evoked the
environment for the Hartley (derives our inner world from the outer)
and Berkeley (the outer world is the fiat of our perception and
creative imagination) debates and has determined the context in the
development of knowledge for scientists and artists ever since. The
only challenge to this view came from artistic movements such as the
Romantic poets, the Impressionists, the Symbolists, the Expressionists,
and the Surrealists, for example, who used the "correspondence" concept
to project and suggest states of mind in their publics along lines of
"grotesque juxtaposition" and "subliminal" resonance. But they were
still thinking within the assumptions of the Newtonian meme that there
was an unconscious aspect to our inner faculties. These arguments
roughly corresponded to those between the aforementioned Time and Space
schools and overlapped with them considerably on issues of the
causality of conditioning. However, what was certainly discarded by all
parties was the image of a collective consciousness such as held sway
in the medieval centuries. The attentive reader/lurker at this point
would be reminded of the assumption of "ESP" as an unconscious agency -
a legacy of the Newtonian era. And might ask: what is ESP if it is not
unconscious? This is the question I am dancing around and with. The
guess that technological simulation has arrived at its own state of
collective consciousness is the factor that points to the obsolescence
of the notion of ESP as a subliminal relationship. Having briefly
reviewed the historical stages of apprehension that unfolded in the
existential drama of cognition, including private, social and
simulational modes (from newspaper collage to cinematic blur to
electric instantaneity to electronic metamorphic virtuality), I would
like to turn our attention to the manifesto of Liquid Shell in
juxtaposition with the essay, Synthetic Plane of Immanence, by Vladimir
Muzhesky:
"Liquid Shell is a passagework into the networks of micro-perceptions
that allows provisional utopias to emerge between structured
contingencies."
And from the essay:
"Whether electronically or materially-mediated, psychotronic complexes
interact with their spatial background environment and not with their
generating concept. The concept itself is rerendered into a
spatially-invaginated structure intended to reflect and replicate
elements of abstract defense. It is a multipolar semiotic system that
goes beyond the tripolar systems of Lotman, more reminiscent of strange
attractors: it defines multi-dimensional landscapes of bioinformational
trajectories instead of describing cultural codes. In general, instead
of being encrypted in bioinformational activity, culture, with its
codes being hacked vertically and horizontally through mental
manipulation which disperses personal and collective memory, replicates
and counterfeits reflections and intentions and even meaningful
positions, then mutates into a new dimension where meaningful and
nervous spatialities are fused to form a twisted conglomerate of
neuro-space: a virtual plane of immanence for the economy of abstract
defense."
I notice that the concepts suggested by the first quotation evoke a
theory of communication and ESP outlined by my description of the Space
school of horizontal symbolism that also echoes the architectural
intentions of Liquid Shell. The second quotation includes concepts
that, while well past the era and formula of the Time school of
vertical symbolism, evoke a recognition of the implications of the
satellite, instant replay, and digital environments for communication
and ESP as outlined above (especially the fusion of first and second
Natures), but retain the function of the puppeteer as a conditioner, in
both the "connected" and "resonant" senses, inside a post-Newtonian
environmental ambiguity - perhaps even recognizing the
collectively-conscious post-Einsteinian and post-Quantum simulacrum of
dramatic blocking and merging. As we pretend to sit on the sidelines
ignoring the living machine, we are susceptible to this drama absorbing
our attention again while it reaches its own apogee of suicide and
subsequent reincarnation as transcendent and celebrated iconic cliches
of human stubborness, stupidity, and amnesia. The following quotation
from Liquid Shell seems to be precariously close to not recognizing
this cultural fact of the nineties.
"Micro-alliances, proximity zones, and packet affinity nodes advance on
the collapse homomorphic states within Liquid Shell architecture. Each
border interface curves the trajectivities of informatic limits as
anomalous transmissions, which can then assemble imperceptible
infrastructures of bio-synthetic actions. These micro-affects unbind
the currents of directed mutability and re-shift the devouring force of
commodity space."
Impercipience at this juncture is dangerous because the Time-school
aspect of the Android Meme will inevitably demand a mind-sticking
response from its disconnecting Space-school aspect, and this is the
point when the sinister application of Tesla's breakthroughs in
frequency modulation of Time and Space to consumer modification have
new relevance for the puppeteering vistas of the Android Meme. For only
through the proprioceptive, tactile, etheric, and astral energies that
make up the Android Meme can symmetry be maintained. Luckily, the
following quotation from Muzhesky seems to grasp this fact if by "human
and technological systems" he means "Android Meme":
"In general, the elimination of maternal biotronic environments
positions abstract economy constructs as parasites towards any other
environment in which human and technological systems are correlated in
perceptual and intellectual activity. Hypothetically, it can become a
metavirus, a form of organism which parasites on hyperenvironments,
only reprocessing the very matter which emerges between human
perception and its reflected simulation in electronic space. Among the
potential affected zones there can be mass media, communication system,
remote control machinery, and informational networks. All of them have
already a syndrome of reflected neuralization: for example, the growing
exploitation of the 3D effect can be interpreted in this context as the
neurolization of originally perceptually based media; computers
simulate a trivial model of space by mirroring neural functions and
letting the brain render its functional reflection and correlate its
spatial processing along with it. There is always a parallel processing
involved in neurolization, imaginary chains fighting for real spatial
status. Forced into synergy via virtual parallel processing, the human
brain can rely only on abstract representations which posses no
immanent spatial reference, but refer to the ultraconceptual planes of
human thinking, the operational dispositions of neurospace."
The following is a recent statement by the Android Meme and serves as a
useful example of one of its multi-postures:
"The 'us' has disappeared. The only occupants of the global theater are
the mixed corporate-media. And that's our problem. I'm talking about
public communication. I think that the mixed corporate-media have given
everybody personal visionary hyper-subjective experiences to the max
for the last 20 to 30 years. But that leaves everybody in their own
little solipsistic bubble. We have to learn to create a language, an
esperanto that retrieves some kind of public space, or public language,
that we could share, that could communicate something that is beyond
our grasp. When people get into expressing their own particular
enlightenment, that is cliche� today, just as creativity on a personal
level is a cliche� activity. The problem I feel I have solved is how to
express the collective consciousness we are now in. That's what I mean
by saying visionary awareness is obsolete. It's on the personal level.
When it's obsolete, that means it's a cliche�. We all have it, and have
it in varying degrees of intensity going up the wave or down. But in
terms of communicating to other people, if they've disappeared and are
not listening or having their own experiences, what common ground do we
have?"
With the above quotation from the Android Meme in mind, Liquid Shell is
either hypnotized or not, depending on what "for" means in the
following excerpt:
"Liquid Shell is micro-perception management for a detopia between spaces."
I emphasize again that the interval between actualization of a
cold-fusion environment and the prior simulation of that miracle by the
Android Meme is the final drama of cognition in a space that fully
celebrates its "quadrophrenia" (paranoia, schizophrenia, hysteria,
panic, and ecstasy). This is the architecture that Liquid Shell is
being built within. The excerpt below hints at its autonomous structure
but it still may not escape the Android Meme's embrace:
"Liquid Shell is a synthetic public space where both simulatory and
social discourses merge within the neurointeractive architecture to
form new biotronic sequences of time-based content. From the structural
point of view the architecture of Liquid Shell mimics
content-formatting principles of neural networks which it encapsulates:
it confronts society with flexible, interchangeable systems of
perceptual references and spatial markers."
Quadrophrenia is the resultant drama of cognition when there is no
possible distinction between the ESP experienced by the human being and
that experienced by the living "human" machinic environment (the
Android Meme). The retrieval of states of paranoia, schizophrenia,
hysteria, panic, and ecstasy along a quantum wave- forming
baroque-spiral will seem to occur over a 12-month period (Monicagate)
and just one week (the Icestorm that blanketed Quebec and northern New
England) simultaneously with no possibility of determining the exact
timespan of either. Since the Android Meme was the subtext of the
eighties, it is natural that it would be a sleight-of-hand rhythm in
the nineties to obscure the subtext of the use of geopolitical psychic
surgery via a new understanding and exploitation of the knowledge
discovered by Tesla in the first half of the twentieth century (see The
Philadelphia Experiment by Moore and Berlitz, 1994).
This brief memo hopes to have simplified the perceptual issues of the
last 150 years to the point that the subsequent quotation from Liquid
Shell would seem to echo my outline of the emergence of the Android
Meme and force the reader/lurker to do a "double-take" on what kind of
architecture for ESP has occurred between me, Liquid Shell, and the
Android Meme.
"Background:
By means of reformatting human processing and cognition
telecommunications triggered deep structural modifications in a
contemporary society, to name just a few here we can mention:
- formation of synthetic public space where instead of physical space
users share phase space of protocols and packages on the Internet;
- development of synthetic products such as interactive worlds where
patterns of perception are integrated into the content architecture;
- and finally as a result of two aforementioned factors, ongoing
crystallization of synthetic content, i.e. origination of
self-referential media discourses, which can not be explicated into
text-only formats.
Now we face the situation when not only space in which we navigate but
space in which we think becomes reformatted and translated into media
adequate format."
THE GREAT BOB DOBBS
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"Lamey" <tean...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I had Pizza again tonight.
>
Again? Man, they are going to have to call Richard Simmons and a forklift to
extricate you from your trailer, son.
Lamey
news:hc62p2$pg6$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
Pizza is easy when yer lazy, I can eat and eat and I never get fat.
I do make a roast once a week with carrots and stuff.
--
(-:arl
wrote:
Coz i think the "buzz words" perfectly illustrated your preoccupation,
and obsessions, with alotta those subjects to which they were intended
to point out. . Just coz you deny those things in yourself, and
attempt to discredit their means by labeling them "rhetorical tricks"
didn't change my mind about their use.... don't be whining to me, i
gave 'em a pass. Coz i think they were well used for the most part.
How come i see you giving Patrick a pass on this?
Why is it you make it out to be wrong to expect documentation, and say
nothing of taking the quotes outta their context?
I'll tell you why.
Coz Pat, and Doug, and Bill oppose a whole lotta the same people you
oppose.
Tho i'm sure you'll say, you "oppose" no one here,. you oppose their
"behavior". Tho you sure cue in on some peoples behavior, and "fail to
see" or "miss"etc, the behavior of others.
Why have *you* never caught Pat in any of these outta context quotes,
despite all the many times he's done this very thing?
I'll tell you why.
Exactly what do you mean?; "And I have seen for myself repeatedly
Grace doing that whenever she felt
like". Be prepared to give examples. ...Tho i may say, as i've said
from the beginning i *do* treat my friends differently. That's part of
being a friend.
The same as everyone. ......The same as you, despite your denial.
.
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i like this so lets level the playing field ,
i`ll treat you however i like too
mario707707
> On Oct 25, 10:42 pm, "(-:arl" <carrrr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 25, 10:44 pm, Doug <drwi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 25, 9:32 pm, "(-:arl" <carrrr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 25, 10:22 pm, "@" <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:h--dnVVFkMMqgXjX...@giganews.com...
>
> > > > > > "(-:arl" <cbr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >news:c0582940-3817-4f25...@i12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > On Oct 25, 9:17 pm, "@" <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > >> "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > >>news:Kvadne_y_OOAknjX...@giganews.com...
>
> > > > > >> > "(-:arl" <cbr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >> >news:a2f69fef-88da-477f...@j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > >> > I gotta say Pat. Right now, it is you who is coming off sounding self
> > > > > >> > righteous.
>
> > > > > >> Keep at it, Carl. And when another kid turns up dead, then you can
> > > > > >> explain
>
> > > > > > <pat's Pat on the head> Why don't you lemme worry about that. Okay?.
>
> > > > > >> "I'll get so flamed for this, but ask me if I care?
> > > > > >> You are the best new blood in here for months.
> > > > > >> of that tonite.
> > > > > >> River"
>
> > > > > > Link?
>
> > > > > Here you go, drug addict:
>
> > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.suicide.holiday/msg/7cc306442166af...
>
> > > > > reportedSuzy'ssuicide attempt to the police or her family. She was just a
> > > > > 19 year old kid, not even of legal age to drink.Johnwas a 50 year old man
> > > > > with a son about 1.5 year younger thanSuzy. A lot of people are pissed off
> > > > > about whatJohndid.
>
> > > > > Now go check in to bloody detox and then get into rehab. How many times have
> > > > > you ended up in the hospital and psych wards for drug abuse, Carl? Don't you
> > > > > calls them. He appears to like to keep a pocket full of them. Like I said,
> > > > > you users like to stick together no matter what.
>
> > > > You run outta facts to twist Pat? You sound a little frustrated. You
> > > > get caught in in YOUR OWN lies, and you resort to this kinna
> > > > scurrilous attacks. None would be the answer to your "question".
>
> > > > > And again, it's not *IF*
> > > > > bloody sure the world knows all the names of the people who protectedJohn
> > > > > or dies.
>
> > > > Well actually, that's what you want isn't it? To be right. ....Which
> > > > explains alot.
>
> > > After you asked for the link, it was provided.
>
> > > All you have left to say about the matter is "thank you for that link"
>
> > > But you didn't say thank you.
>
> > > It is apparent why you didn't say thank you to Pat.
>
> > > What is not apparent is why, with this information aboutJohnnow
> > > confirmed, you want to defend the creep.
>
> > > Or why ANYONE would defend the creep.
>
> > > Doug
>
> > THANK YOU FOR THE LINK.
>
> > WTF? You think i'm gonna take *this guy at his "word"?? I'm damn good
> > and sure gonna check out anything he tells me.
> > Shall i get after him for all the links and evidence he *hasn't*
> > provided me when i asked? You wanna example?
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.suicide.holiday/browse_frm/thread/...
>
> > You gotta problem with correcting what Pat had taken outta context?
> > Or are you the same way? _It's fair to make allegations by taking
> > things outta context?
>
> I have to go to bed now. It is past my bedtime.
>
> But no, I don't think you need to trust anyone about anything.
> However, when you doubt about something so serious as actually doing
> existed, then seeing that evidence must create some feelings in you
> that surfaces here. It is no longer fair for you to accuse Pat of
> taking this issue out of context. It IS fair for you to think for
> yourself, not as a social member of ASH, and to ask yourself if you
> that? If you can't find an answer to that question for yourself, you
> might then examine if you remain in ASH because of false acceptance or
> if it is due to other's manipulation of you for their own wrongful
> reasons.
>
> We don't need more Dinkels or Sheffields playing with the genuinely
> suicidals that find their way into ASH.
>
> Doug
Doug
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From: Doug <drwi...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:50:54 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 12:50 am
Subject: Re: Dear River, Grace and other out of fashion ASHers
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> > > > > Link?
> > > >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.suicide.holiday/msg/7cc306442166af...
> > Doug
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.suicide.holiday/browse_frm/thread/...
Doug
________________________________________
Playing with the genuinely suicidal Doug?
That is something that I'd never do. But, you
are entitled to your own opinion, and I'm sure
you'll tell us what it is.
river
Flushing A. Sheffield
The person posting using the nickname and email address "mario707707"
<mario707707 @gmail.com> is John Sheffield of Orange Park, Florida, a boat
dock builder.
John Sheffield's company is listed as:
AAA Docks Inc.
162 Jefferson Ave
Orange Park, FL 32065
Phone: 904-272-5540
John Sheffield was cited in the suicide death of Suzy (Susanne) Gonzales.
For more information on John Sheffield's activities related to the suicide
death of Suzy Gonzales, please see these links:
http://www.suzygonzales.com/about.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/06/08/MN114902.DTL
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-853
Postings by John Sheffield pertaining to the suicide death of Suzy Gonzales:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.suicide.holiday/msg/0287a42dc84e3ad7?hl=en
John Sheffield's business and contact information:
http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_6v8038
John Sheffield now appears to be engaging in a campaign of criminal
harassment and cyber stalking via the internet.
(STALKING LAWS - STATE OF FLORIDA) House 0479: Relating to Offense of
Stalking:
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