Epson Stylus Photo r1900Configuration
RDOC
up the Color Settings for an Epson Stylus Photo r1900 printer in
Photoshop CS4. I know all the tabs and I was figuring on letting the
printer do the color management and using Adobe RGB 1998 but I don't
know what particular settings to use for the printer configuration.
Johan W. Elzenga
If you want the printer to do the color management, you don't have to
set anything in Photoshop. Just set 'Printer Manages Color' in the
Photoshop print dialog, and select 'AdobeRGB' as setting in the printer
dialog.
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Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com
JD
Are you asking how to configure the printer when you make a print?
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RDOC
Hi JD
I got the r1900 printer and want to set it up to print. I am lost on
how to set it up. If I had a copy of the pages, in Photoshop: File/
Print and than Page Setup/the main and advance tabs I could see all
the tabs and what the settings are. I tried to set it up two different
ways, with Photoshop Managing the color and the other way with the
printer managing the color, and I am getting bad prints or I should
say they are really different than I see on the monitor. I have
searched the internet and I can't find any help on the proper settings
to do this so if you can help here boy I really would appreciate it!
If you could give me a copy of those three pages that would be great.
I have the profiles of all the Epson papers already installed and I
have the Camera setup for Adobe RGB 1998.
JD
Keep in mind I'm using CS3 and a different Epson so things may not be
exactly the same.
Start with Epson web page:
http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/jsp/index.do
Get Drivers & Support, Printers.
Printers, Ink Jet, find your r1900
Documents & Manuals, product documentation.
User's guide, pdf.
This probably came with your printer but I like to have a .pdf for quick
reference.
Start on page 16.
On CS3, to configure my Epson, I select File, Print.
On the right side of that dialog, Printer Manages Color, Printer Profile
is Working RGB, Relative Colorimetric is Rendering Intent.
I select my Epson printer and then Page Setup and I get my Printer
Properties. There are four tabs. The Main tab is where you select the
print quality, the Advanced tab is where you set the paper.
For photo prints I use Epson papers. Epson keeps changing the name on my
paper but I think the numbers stay the same.
I proof on their inexpensive photo paper, SO41062, 100 sheets per box,
and then print my final on their inexpensive thick photo paper, SO41649,
50 sheets per box. The last time I purchased paper I got it at Staples.
I don't use paper profiles. Back on the Epson support page, Drivers &
Downloads, Premium ICC Profiles.
Am I helping or just making it worse?
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Alan Browne
In PS, when you are editing your photo for print, it is important to
simulate the paper which is not 100% white (like your display) but a
very light grey.
In PS CS3 (I assume it's pretty much the same in CS4) do:
View -> Proof Setup -> Custom -> Custom Proof Condition = Custom; Device
to Simulate = "Working CYMK - US Web Coated (SWOP) v2"; Renering intent
(as needed, I use Relative Colorimetric); and IMPORTANT: Simulate Paper
Color checked.
The above looks complicated but is done in a few clicks.
Then you will see the image "greyed" as if it were on paper. Re-adjust
brighness, black point, etc. to get what you want and then print.
You'll be closer to WYSIWYG - but it's never spot on.
A monitor is a light transmissive RGB device and a print is a reflective
CYMK device.
RDOC
Under Color Management do I select Document or Proof?
RDOC
you select Document or Proof? With that answer we pretty well covered
the page in Photoshop.
Now we need to cover the two tabs in the printer, the main and the
advanced tab. If you can cover them I think that will get me going.
However I do have one question, if we pick that the printer manages
the color than I believe the only other item in Photoshop of
importance or function in the printing is Rendering Intent since all
the other items are greyed out?
Photoshop Page Contains:
I have Color Management and I have to select Document (Profile:
((Adobe1998)) or Proof
Color Handling: Printer Manages Color
Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
That is it for the Photoshop page now we need to do the two pages for
the printer.
BTW thanks it is really a big help and I need it.
Johan W. Elzenga
> On Oct 31, 6:05 pm, nom...@please.invalid (Johan W. Elzenga) wrote:
> > RDOC <rd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > Can anyone tell me where I can find or give me instructions on setting
> > > up the Color Settings for an Epson Stylus Photo r1900 printer in
> > > Photoshop CS4. I know all the tabs and I was figuring on letting the
> > > printer do the color management and using Adobe RGB 1998 but I don't
> > > know what particular settings to use for the printer configuration.
> >
> > If you want the printer to do the color management, you don't have to
> > set anything in Photoshop. Just set 'Printer Manages Color' in the
> > Photoshop print dialog, and select 'AdobeRGB' as setting in the printer
> > dialog.
>
> Under Color Management do I select Document or Proof?
Document. There is nothing to proof if Photoshop doesn't do the color
management.
RDOC
wrote:
Alan I assume this setting only takes hold if you are having Photoshop
manage the color and not having the printer manage the color?
Alan Browne
That is true. I don't like the results of Epson 3800 color management.
Seems to saturate the lighter/brighter colours and renders duller dark
colours (It's been a couple years since I used that). However the "US
Web coated (SWOP) v2" is not an Adobe ink space, it is a printing standard.
However, even if you go with the printer color management, I don't
believe you'll get monitor to print match without simulating the paper.
RDOC
However you can't do that I don't believe since it is greyed out when
you choice the printer manages color. Are you saying that you get
better results when you chose Photoshop manages color?
Alan Browne
That was my result after a lot of experimentation and getting advice
from others on the web. Perhaps I need to re-visit it, but time ...
I was getting consistently dull looking prints until I adopted the
"simulate" and SWOP mode.
RDOC
Alan I don't mean to be thick headed but are you picking Photoshop to
manage the color?
Alan Browne
Yes.
JD
I had a Hell of a time letting PS manage my color using my Epson
printer. Sometimes my Epson print doesn't match exactly what's on the
screen but it still makes a nice print if I select the paper I'm using
and the highest print output. You may need to experiment with the
different settings to see what works for you. I'm not a professional
photographer so all I'm looking for is a nice final result.
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RDOC
Ok than could you tell me the rest of the settings that you select in
the Print and View menus in Photoshop. I assume they are:
Color Management: Proof
Color Handling: Photoshop Handles Color
Printer Profile: Working CMYK - US Web Coated ((SWOP) v2))
Proof Setup: Epson Stylus r1900
Stimulate Paper Color
View Proof Setup: Custom
Device to Simulate: Working CMYK - US Web Coated (SWOP) v2
Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
Black Point Compensation
Simulate Paper Color
in Photoshop, would appreciate that.
Johan W. Elzenga
> > > Alan I don't mean to be thick headed but are you picking Photoshop to
> > > manage the color?
> >
> > Yes.
>
> Ok than could you tell me the rest of the settings that you select in
> the Print and View menus in Photoshop. I assume they are:
> Color Management: Proof
> Color Handling: Photoshop Handles Color
> Printer Profile: Working CMYK - US Web Coated ((SWOP) v2))
> Proof Setup: Epson Stylus r1900
> Stimulate Paper Color
>
> View Proof Setup: Custom
> Device to Simulate: Working CMYK - US Web Coated (SWOP) v2
> Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
> Black Point Compensation
> Simulate Paper Color
If these are your settings, than they are WRONG! These settings are for
a generic CMYK printing press, not for your Epson printer.
You have to pick a printer profile of the Epson Stylus R1900 printer,
which is NOT the same as 'Working CMYK - US Web Coated (SWOP) v2)'. In
fact, these printer profiles are RGB-based, even though the printer
obviously uses CYMK-based inks. The reason is that the printer driver
expects RGB input, not CMYK input. The name of the printer profile will
reflect the paper choice, so it will be something like 'SPR1900 PrmGlsy
BstPhoto'.
RDOC
Could you please tell me the right settings to use if I want to make
Photoshop manage the color and use Premium Photo Paper Glossy?
Alan Browne
Well, this has been my best match for screen to paper for the last two
years. (Epson 3800, not r1900). Perhaps I should revisit it, but
letting the printer manage the colours has resulted in dull output.
RDOC
JD is this the paper that you use for proofing,
http://www.keenzo.com/showproduct.asp?ID=716355?
Johan W. Elzenga
> > > Ok than could you tell me the rest of the settings that you select in
> > > the Print and View menus in Photoshop. I assume they are:
> > > Color Management: Proof
> > > Color Handling: Photoshop Handles Color
> > > Printer Profile: Working CMYK - US Web Coated ((SWOP) v2))
> > > Proof Setup: Epson Stylus r1900
> > > Stimulate Paper Color
> >
> > > View Proof Setup: Custom
> > > Device to Simulate: Working CMYK - US Web Coated (SWOP) v2
> > > Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
> > > Black Point Compensation
> > > Simulate Paper Color
> >
> > If these are your settings, than they are WRONG! These settings are for
> > a generic CMYK printing press, not for your Epson printer.
> >
> > You have to pick a printer profile of the Epson Stylus R1900 printer,
> > which is NOT the same as 'Working CMYK - US Web Coated (SWOP) v2)'. In
> > fact, these printer profiles are RGB-based, even though the printer
> > obviously uses CYMK-based inks. The reason is that the printer driver
> > expects RGB input, not CMYK input. The name of the printer profile will
> > reflect the paper choice, so it will be something like 'SPR1900 PrmGlsy
> > BstPhoto'.
> >
> Could you please tell me the right settings to use if I want to make
> Photoshop manage the color and use Premium Photo Paper Glossy?
Color Management: Document
Color Handling: Photoshop Handles Color
Printer Profile: SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto
Rendering Intent: Relative Colorimetric
Black Point Compensation
If you want to see simulation of what your print will look like (so you
can correct it if you don't like what you see), use the following
sttings in Photoshop. This is what we call a 'soft proof'.
View - Proof Setup: Custom
Device to Simulate: SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto
Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
Black Point Compensation
Simulate Paper Color
Then, when the printer dialog comes up, turn OFF color management in the
printer driver (because Photoshop is already taking care of it). Read
the manual that comes with your printer if you don't know how to do
that, or go to this website (see the links at the bottom of the page):
http://www.computer-darkroom.com/ps10_print/ps10_print_1.htm
Johan W. Elzenga
See my answer to the OP. You are using a generic CMYK printing press
profile instead of a specific Epson printer profile. It may have been
your best match, but that is purely by coincidence.
JD
>> Printers, Ink Jet, find your r1900
>> User's guide, pdf.
>>
>> This probably came with your printer but I like to have a .pdf for quick
>> reference.
>>
>> Start on page 16.
>>
>> On CS3, to configure my Epson, I select File, Print.
>>
>> On the right side of that dialog, Printer Manages Color, Printer Profile
>> is Working RGB, Relative Colorimetric is Rendering Intent.
>>
>> I select my Epson printer and then Page Setup and I get my Printer
>> Properties. There are four tabs. The Main tab is where you select the
>> print quality, the Advanced tab is where you set the paper.
>>
>> For photo prints I use Epson papers. Epson keeps changing the name on my
>> paper but I think the numbers stay the same.
>>
>> I proof on their inexpensive photo paper, SO41062, 100 sheets per box,
>> and then print my final on their inexpensive thick photo paper, SO41649,
>> 50 sheets per box. The last time I purchased paper I got it at Staples.
>>
>> I don't use paper profiles. Back on the Epson support page, Drivers&
>> Downloads, Premium ICC Profiles.
>>
>> Am I helping or just making it worse?
>>
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>> JD..
>
> JD is this the paper that you use for proofing,
> http://www.keenzo.com/showproduct.asp?ID=716355?
Yes, I believe it is. The link shows the old packaging, Staples has it
for $14.99 for a 100 sheets, in stock. The paper is now called
Presentation Paper, Matte but along the top of that is says Formerly
Photo Quality Ink Jet Paper. It's not really a "matte" finish, it's just
a paper finish.
The SO41649 is now called Photo Paper Glossy, Formerly Glossy Photo
Paper and Staples used to carry it but they don't seem to anymore. Epson
sells it for $31.50 for 100 sheets. I've never bought paper from Epson,
just my cartridges. Best Buy sells 50 sheets for $23.99, in stock.
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JD..
RDOC
Johan you have given excellent answers and they have answered all the
questions but one final one. That final one being which way do you
find gives the best results: Photoshop or Printer managing color. I
want to be able to print and get the print to look as close as
possible to what I as seeing on my monitor. I just thought of another
question, sorry, if you are using a third party paper like Kodak what
do you suggest for color management? Thanks again I really appreciate
everyones help here and that has made my learning process so much more
pleasant and actually enjoyable. You guys have been great!
JD
I hope you don't mind if I reply to the question you ask Johan:
You know you can try it both ways. Turn off PS manages color and set
everything with the printer software and make a print and then turn on
PS manages color and disable that in your printer software and print the
same thing again.
Different settings in the printer software will have it print what it
thinks is a good print. You probably need to play around with your new
printer. Which is not a bad thing.
Do you use some kind of monitor calibration software?
I don't know about third party paper since I only use Epson paper when I
print photos.
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RDOC
No calibration software I just keep playing by printing and adjusting
until I get what I want. I am going to try soft proofs at this point
and see how that works.
Alan Browne
>
> No calibration software I just keep playing by printing and adjusting
> until I get what I want. I am going to try soft proofs at this point
> and see how that works.
I colour proof on 6x4 sheets when I'm not sure. That comes to about 24
cents of ink and 10 cents of paper.
RDOC
wrote:
What paper do you use for the proofing?
Alan Browne
Always the same as for printing the final. Which these days is a
"Bureau en Gros" (Staples) glossy. I find this paper every bit as good
as high quality Epson paper - though at 19x13", it can crease
accidentally in handling.
I've been looking at finer papers but I've yet to make a decision. (eg:
Red River).
Johan W. Elzenga
Photoshop manages color usually gives the best result, providing you
have good quality profiles. The standard profiles that Epson supplies
with their printers are indeed very good, so I would always use
Photoshop manages color on an Epson printer. Only if that doesn't give
me good results, I could then try if the other option works better (or,
in my case, I would make the profiles myself because I have the
equipment to do so).
Mike Russell
discusses a bug that prevents Photoshop from printing without a profile,
which causes problems for calibration.
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/solving.shtml
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Mike Russell - http://www.curvemeister.com
RDOC
JD you asked me to stop back and let you know what I thought of the
Epson 1900 printer when I used it so I am back. I only printed one
picture on plane paper and the same one on the Photo Paper Glossy both
of the papers you recommended and both of them 8x10. I used the
Printer to manage the color. They both came out I would say about as
close to what the looked like on the monitor as possible. So thus far
I would say great. It prints on the slow side but that is fine if the
prints come out that good. I normally use the most expensive paper for
the Canon printer but using the Photo Paper Glossy for the Epson which
isn't the most expensive paper they have you get a very good print, I
guess as good as their top paper which I assume is just a heavier
weight. I want to thank everyone here for their help in this matter
since thanks to you all I am very happy with my choice at this point.
RDOC
JD you asked me to stop back and let you know what I thought of the
JD
> On Nov 2, 3:31 pm, JD<J...@example.invalid> wrote:
Thanks for taking the time to let us know about your new printer. Enjoy!
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