http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003443368,00.html
Disagree...for 61 I hope one day I look like that.
Are you kidding? He's 61, for chrissakes! What is he supposed to look
like -- a 22 year old bodybuilder? What is wrong with people and their
fascist beauty standards nowadays?
--
nimue
"Because the thing about the Nerds, what made them so appealing, was
that not only are they underdogs, they are underdogs who accept other
underdogs unconditionally. And that speaks volumes to people."
Curtis Armstrong
"I don't understand why you don't want to see more of Spike. More
Spike makes everything better. Spike, Spike, Spike, wonderful Spike."
Clairel
"There are things I will not tolerate: students loitering on campus
after school, horrible murders with hearts being removed... and also
smoking." Principal Snyder
Reminds me of that picture of Clinton and Hillary dancing on the beach.
>jen wrote:
>
>
>>Me thinks the man needs to do some sit-ups.
>>
>>http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003443368,00.html
>>
>>
>
>Are you kidding? He's 61, for chrissakes! What is he supposed to look
>like -- a 22 year old bodybuilder? What is wrong with people and their
>fascist beauty standards nowadays?
>
>
>
Oh people are such hypocrites. If someone is thin and in shape--they're
called anorexic and vain. If they age without plastic surgery, they are
criticized for their sags and bags. If they get plastic surgery, they
are criticized for that. I just finished watching Paul McCartney's Red
Square special and he looks and sounds great for his age. He should be
commended for his charity towards the orphans and music students he
visited, and also for what he's given the people of Russia emotionally.
Personally, I prefer men who aren't overly concerned with working out
and looking buff--whose interests lean toward the creative and intellectual.
MC
Keeper of Giovanni Ribisi and Dennis Farina!
my mother says they hate themselves.
He looks like a normal 61 year old guy with a middle age tummy. Nothing
scary about that.
Liz
> > Me thinks the man needs to do some sit-ups.
> >
> > http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003443368,00.html
>
> He looks like a normal 61 year old guy with a middle age tummy. Nothing
> scary about that.
Exactly -- he looks a whole lot better with his shirt off than most men
his age.
in the top pic he looks like he's about as pregnant as his wife...
Good points. Weren't we all horrified enough by a shirtless Keith
Richards on the cover of Rolling Stone?
Linda C.
You hit the nail on the head.
> He looks like a normal 61 year old man....and 61 year old men should do
> the
> world a favor and leave their shirts on in a public park.....imagine the
> gasp-worthy reaction if a 61 year old woman appeared in park weaing a a
> bikini top...and she "looked her age" ?
So, only young men with an athletic build should be allowed to go
shirtless in the park? And only young women should wear a bikini top to
the park?
Yes.
Ok so he looks fine for his age...still doesn't mean he looks good
shirtless. My mother looks good for her age (62) but I wouldn't want to see
her in a bikini any time soon.
>> So, only young men with an athletic build should be allowed to go
>> shirtless in the park? And only young women should wear a bikini top to
>> the park?
>
> Yes.
If you really feel that way, you have my sympathy.
> Ok so he looks fine for his age...still doesn't mean he looks good
> shirtless. My mother looks good for her age (62) but I wouldn't want to see
> her in a bikini any time soon.
But she has every right in the world to wear one if she chooses. If
McCartney wants to run around the park shirtless, who cares? If he looks
that horrible, don't look at him.
Yes...people of certain age would do well to have a little modesty when in a
public place like a park....a beach or swimming pool it maybe more socially
acceptable (but no less disgusting to look at) and yes I do excercise my option
to look away if that is viable one....
You wanna see some unpleasant displays of shirtless men with flabby pecs (or
man breasts whatever you call them) and beer guts....go sit in the bleachers at
Wrigley Field for a Cubs game in July......I'm sorry most of them still looked
gross even after copious amounts of alcohol .....ewwwwwwwwww sweaty shirtless
flabby old men....yuck yuck yuck.........( thanks for the sympathy by the way)
>Yes.
You must be very young...better start saving for that lipo and lift now or you
just won't be able to cope in a few years when you're less than perfection.
You know what I see in those photos? One happy and secure mega star who
managed to come through the better part of 40 years as a music icon with his
priorities intact spending a laid back day with the woman he loves. In my book
that beats heck out of some kid with washboard abs struttin' with his baggy
cargo pants creeping down his butt.
NT
>>
>> So, only young men with an athletic build should be allowed to go
>> shirtless in the park? And only young women should wear a bikini top to
>> the park?
>
>Yes.
ditto!! if you don't look good, keep your clothes on in public. i can't stand
seeing middle aged women wear bikinis when they do NOT have the body. it's
just gross.
Hudson (who *is* a middle aged woman and knows what she is talking about on
this one! )
it isn't a matter of being perfect. it's a matter of good taste. if you are
flabby and fat, please keep it covered. and no, i am not young. i am middle
aged and quite thin. but, i know when it is time to quit wearing a two piece
swimsuit.
Hudson
>
>Ok so he looks fine for his age...still doesn't mean he looks good
>shirtless. My mother looks good for her age (62) but I wouldn't want to see
>her in a bikini any time soon.
>
exactly. Paul looks great for his age. but keep the shirt on, please.
Hudson
>> Ok so he looks fine for his age...still doesn't mean he looks good
>> shirtless. My mother looks good for her age (62) but I wouldn't want to
>see
>> her in a bikini any time soon.
>
>
>But she has every right in the world to wear one if she chooses. If
>McCartney wants to run around the park shirtless, who cares? If he looks
>that horrible, don't look at him.
>
no one said he didn't have the *right* to go shirtless. but, hopefully, he'd
have the common sense not to ;-)
Hudson
He looks wonderful to me, and darn it if he doesn't look happy. I don't
care if he's shirtless or whatever, he's Paul McCartney! Let him frolic
about with the pregnant wife if he wants, he's not hurting anyone. At least
she's not shirtless, ya know?
Christin
~~AGC keeper of the whole darned cast of TS and in love with Sir Paul since
1975!
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>
>> exactly. Paul looks great for his age. but keep the shirt on, please.
>
>
>He looks wonderful to me, and darn it if he doesn't look happy. I don't
>care if he's shirtless or whatever, he's Paul McCartney! Let him
>rolic
>about with the pregnant wife if he wants, he's not hurting anyone. At least
>she's not shirtless, ya know?
>
thank god for small favors. you got a point there ;-)
Hudson
I do not say this against Paul but against those who intrude on his life. Too
bad he can't just be an old shirtless fart like other shirtless old farts and
never be seen by the rest of the world.
Ah..but that is what you get for going and being a world reknowned class A
Beatle :-)
Thank goodness for that. The part I don't get is all these celebs doing all
this frolic-ing in public. There's always some picture of them making out,
embracing, dancing, etc. to be captured by the long lens. I'm happily
married and so are most of my friends. I don't go around spontaneously
kissing in public. I don't roll around on the beach with my husband and my
friends don't break out into dancing at the park. Oh, and for the informal
poll, put me down for keeping the shirt on, please. If he wants to hang
around half naked, he can go do it at one of his many estates behind the
hedges. I like the guy, and I'm middle aged myself. There are lots of
things that are "natural" that I just don't need to see.
> > He looks wonderful to me, and darn it if he doesn't look happy. I don't
> > care if he's shirtless or whatever, he's Paul McCartney! Let him frolic
> > about with the pregnant wife if he wants, he's not hurting anyone. At
> least
> > she's not shirtless, ya know?
> >
>
> Thank goodness for that. The part I don't get is all these celebs doing all
> this frolic-ing in public. There's always some picture of them making out,
> embracing, dancing, etc. to be captured by the long lens. I'm happily
> married and so are most of my friends. I don't go around spontaneously
> kissing in public. I don't roll around on the beach with my husband and my
> friends don't break out into dancing at the park. Oh, and for the informal
> poll, put me down for keeping the shirt on, please. If he wants to hang
> around half naked, he can go do it at one of his many estates behind the
> hedges. I like the guy, and I'm middle aged myself. There are lots of
> things that are "natural" that I just don't need to see.
Then don't look!
Candy
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Truth
BEAUTY
That is all ye know on earth
and all ye need to know
-John Keats
*I* think it's beautiful that Paul McCartney (despite the fact *I* may not
be crazy about his woman) is "in love" and wanting to dance in the garden
with his lover. WHO says there is somewhere we all need to check in with
our proper trim abdomens, firm breasts, etc.? Maybe the real problem is
that people don't look at ANY people and say that look is also OK.
I don't get WHY young and thin are the only looks that are accepted as OK
for public consumption. Since we are many and different, and not ALL are
young and thin, why don't we all just get used to seeing PEOPLE instead of
"images of perfection?"
PattyC
Well said, PattyC
Pe (The Imperfect; and still with a couple of lovers who are a hell
of a lot better-looking than I am...)
It has a lot to do with our society and the way it looks at bodies.
Then everyone wonders why young women are anorexic. Could it be it's
the emphasis on having a perfect body, or don't even bother wearing a
bathing suit? Europeans are much more accepting of baring bodies
without worrying about perfection. I've noticed on the beaches in Italy,
older women with very non-perfect bodies wearing bikinis and they are
totally umself-conscious about it. I thought it was a pretty healthy
attitude. The funny thing is there is such an obsession with good
bodies here and we have such a big problem with obesity (no pun intended).
>
>I don't get WHY young and thin are the only looks that are accepted as OK
>for public consumption. Since we are many and different, and not ALL are
>young and thin, why don't we all just get used to seeing PEOPLE instead of
>"images of perfection?"
let's face it, we'd rather look at *pretty*, than ugly or fat. not saying it's
right, but it's basically true.
Hudson
No, Hudson, YOU and some other rather narrow minded people would rather only
look at what you and some other rather narrow minded people call "pretty."
I (and some others) am more open to thinking a LOT of things are "pretty,"
including people who are just happy and being people. Even IF they are not
young or thin.
Things are only "ugly" if society deigns them so. *I* am saying it's
ridiculous to call a 62 year old man, who looks damn decent for his place in
life, "scary" just because he is not in the shape a 25 year old man usually
is. And NO, I don't think the older person needs to put on a shirt just
cause they are not 25. Maybe people would get less shocked by the looks of
one who is 62 if they actually saw a few more of those that age without
shirts!
PattyC
I think the problem is that a person's worth is somehow tied in with her
physical appearance. It seems acceptable to ridicule people who don't fit
the stereotype of what is attractive -- to treat them as if they have
committed some sin. That is wrong. I don't know why people feel so
justified in attacking those who don't have the right look -- it seems to be
the last acceptable prejudice.
>
> Hudson
--
nimue
"Because the thing about the Nerds, what made them so appealing, was
that not only are they underdogs, they are underdogs who accept other
underdogs unconditionally. And that speaks volumes to people."
Curtis Armstrong
"I don't understand why you don't want to see more of Spike. More
Spike makes everything better. Spike, Spike, Spike, wonderful Spike."
Clairel
"There are things I will not tolerate: students loitering on campus
after school, horrible murders with hearts being removed... and also
smoking." Principal Snyder
Don't be too hard on Hudson.
>I (and some others) am more open to thinking a
> LOT of things are "pretty," including people who are just happy and
> being people. Even IF they are not young or thin.
I think a lot of things are pretty, too. I refuse to be limited by
society's narrow definition of beauty. I recently purchased some pins that
said, "Beauty Comes In All Sizes" and handed them out to some students and
teachers, too. You should have seen one of my student's face light up! Now
THAT was a beautiful moment. The advertizing industry has a vested interest
in making us believe we are only beautiful (and therefore worthy) if we are
young and thin. After all -- a lot of us aren't! If we are willing to
spend all kinds of money chasing this unattainable ideal -- all the better
for the beauty industry's bank account!
>
> Things are only "ugly" if society deigns them so. *I* am saying it's
> ridiculous to call a 62 year old man, who looks damn decent for his
> place in life, "scary" just because he is not in the shape a 25 year
> old man usually is.
I agree. He looks fine. It's cruel and stupid to say that a 62 year old
man who looks a man in his 60s is scary. Why are we scared of anything that
deviates from the young, fit ideal? I am scared of how narrow the
definition of beauty is. I am scared of how people equate beauty with
worth.
> And NO, I don't think the older person needs to
> put on a shirt just cause they are not 25.
I don't either -- unless it's cold out. ;-) Then the 25 year old should
have a shirt on, too!
>Maybe people would get
> less shocked by the looks of one who is 62 if they actually saw a few
> more of those that age without shirts!
>
You are obviously a very intellectual, thoughtful person. I like what you
have written.
> PattyC
Eh -- it just doesn't bother me. I work in a school. I see gorgeous young
girls who think they are fat and ugly and are crying about it every day.
THAT bothers me. Kids bullying other kids bothers me. That is what I
consider ugly. A happy older man who feels comfortable about not wearing
his shirt on a nice day -- doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I kind of get
a kick out his happiness and ease with his own body. You know, Hudson -- I
am 35. I was raised in a Free To Be You And Me, educated hippie kind of a
New York, East Coast, radical ideas open way. I think you are a bit older
than I am, and the slight generational and geographical difference between
us might explain our different views on this -- you know, different early
influences, and all that.
Well gee, I am so shocked to hear that.
PattyC
Well gee, I am so shocked to hear that.
Oh by the way most people who say beauty is only skin deep usually fat and ugly
If you were being sarcastic, it didn't register. IN any case, I admit I am
fat & old, and therefore, per agc standards, ugly. HOWEVER, I held these
opinions when I was younger and more gorgeous.
PattyC
>No, Hudson, YOU and some other rather narrow minded people would rather only
>look at what you and some other rather narrow minded people call "pretty."
shirtless in public, yes.
>
>Things are only "ugly" if society deigns them so. *I* am saying it's
>ridiculous to call a 62 year old man, who looks damn decent for his place in
>life, "scary" just because he is not in the shape a 25 year old man usually
>is.
i never called him scary. go back and reread. i like Paul. in fact he has
always been my favorite Beatle. and he *is* in good shape for a 62 year old
man. but, i still would prefer not to see him shirtless.
Hudson
>>
>> let's face it, we'd rather look at *pretty*, than ugly or fat. not
>> saying it's right, but it's basically true.
>
>I think the problem is that a person's worth is somehow tied in with her
>physical appearance. It seems acceptable to ridicule people who don't fit
>the stereotype of what is attractive -- to treat them as if they have
>committed some sin. That is wrong
>I don't know why people feel so
>justified in attacking those who don't have the right look -- it seems to be
>the last acceptable prejudice.
i have no problem with people who look less than perfect. most of us look less
than perfect. but, sometimes clothes can do wonders for those of us with less
than perfect bodies ;-)
Hudson
Eaxactly! I've thought the same thing myself, many times...
Bethany
>
>Eh -- it just doesn't bother me. I work in a school. I see gorgeous young
>girls who think they are fat and ugly and are crying about it every day.
>THAT bothers me.
that bothers me too. i'm a former anorexic, so i know all about body image.
>
>THAT bothers me. Kids bullying other kids bothers me. That is what I
>consider ugly.
i consider that ugly too. my own son has been bullied, for reasons you and i
have discussed previously. but, then that is a whole other issue, isn't it?
>A happy older man who feels comfortable about not wearing
>his shirt on a nice day -- doesn't bother me at all.
i guess, normally a 62 year old without a shirt wouldn't be publicized would
it? but it's Paul and i still maintain he looks BETTER with shirt on. but
that's me. different strokes for different folks.
>You know, Hudson -- I
>am 35. I was raised in a Free To Be You And Me, educated hippie kind of a
>New York, East Coast, radical ideas open way. I think you are a bit
>older
>than I am, and the slight generational and geographical difference between
>us might explain our different views on this -- you know, different early
>influences, and all that.
i'm not *that* old nimue...really. LOL.
Hudson
>
>Oh by the way most people who say beauty is only skin deep usually fat and
>ugly
>
heehee.
Hudson
I say that all the time and I'm pretty! I am!!!!! very pretty! everybody
says so! everybody!
<sobs>
;o) Bethany
That may be, but it's not Paul's responsibility to decorate the world
for those who'd rather see *pretty*.
MC
Keeper of Giovanni Ribisi and Dennis Farina!
>
>The problem with "perfect bodies" is that they don't last more than a few
>years...
>Whatever happens, we all end up in the same boat.
except for the ones who visit plastic surgeons and don't ;-)
Hudson
>
>>let's face it, we'd rather look at *pretty*, than ugly or fat. not saying
>it's
>>right, but it's basically true.
>>
>
>That may be, but it's not Paul's responsibility to decorate the world
>for those who'd rather see *pretty*.
>
nope it's not.and most likely he wasn't planning on being photographed
shirtless either.
but, if most of us didn't want "pretty", pretty wouldn't be cast in movies and
tv shows would it?
Hudson
>
>What's the big deal? He only looks as big as a pregnant Angie Harmon. ;p
you're soooo bad :-)
Hudson
And I wouldn't be surprised that you think the 'undesirable' ought to have plastic
surgery to make themselves more 'acceptable.'
Hey, he still shivers my timbers. *I'd* lick his nips ANY day. Before
breakfast, even.
Let's see... he's talented and a billionaire who, by all accounts, is a very
nice, very generous and loving man -- and, by golly, he appears to be that
very rare thing in a man: *faithful*. . Let's see you find all those
attributes in that guy at the local health club who works out 5 hours a day
to get great pecs. (Do you think he's getting those to share them just with
YOU? Think again.)
Save the rock hard pecs, thanks, I'll take the nice guy ANY day. (And I'd
take Macca even if he was dirt poor.)
Giselle (back temporarily to rest a broken foot and defend a lifelong love)
Come on, don't be shy, tell us how you REALLY feel...
Giselle (geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez Louise)
He is pretty much MY favorite guy ever also. I love him still, just like my
7th grade heart did. Have you seen the DVDs of the Ed Sullivan shows from
the Beatles first appearances on US TV? Fascinating to see again and
remember....
He has a belly. Oh my. yawn.
PattyC
*Hello?*
Did you actually think people wore prostheses to bed every night? Consider
that you take off your shoes before you go to sleep and take it from there.
She's not Christopher Reeve, she's missing the lower part of her leg. I
think she could probably even get a JOB if she had to.
And Paul McCartney can't be "choosey" why?
You are a riot.
PattyC
Maybe you had to grow up with him to love him that much. He doesn't look
all that bad to *me* but I love how some folks haven't the slightest idea
how a human body ages *naturally* for the vast majority of mere mortals.
Life can be SUCH a shock when you believe in all the things you see in
Hollywood.
Giselle (Yep, life's a bitch but it sure beats the alternative.)
I especially like the part where she said Heather *had* a good figure
before she got pregnant. ;-)
>
>
>
>
I think Cayla is just jellus.
Giselle (I bet she wishes she had a missing leg so Sir Paul would look at
*her* instead of Heather :)
Hey Volfie, good to see you back. We have needed you so much.
Razzle-----------the burro said to tell you he's got a big wet
slobbery kiss waiting for you.
But Paul has to have quite a few social deseases, don't you think?
Probably at least one he even got from his first wife, Linda, as she
slept with Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Mick Jagger, yadda, yadda,
yadda, (Did I miss anyone?)
before she got knocked up by Paul McCartney.
By the way, I like John Mayer. My mom liked Paul McCartney -- Cayla
"Giselle \(Lady Taker\)" <vol...@ccrtc.com> wrote in message news:<vnhgm0i...@corp.supernews.com>...
Unless I'm completely cracking up I do believe I've seen photos of her
modeling a swimsuit minus the artificial leg. I don't feel sorry for her
and why should I? She's done damn good for herself with what other people
may consider a horrid handicap/defect. It seems to me that she doesn't
think it's horrible or a handicap at all. She's not only smart but she's a
strong woman, too
> But Paul has to have quite a few social deseases, don't you think?
> Probably at least one he even got from his first wife, Linda, as she
> slept with Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Mick Jagger, yadda, yadda,
> yadda, (Did I miss anyone?)
> before she got knocked up by Paul McCartney.
I think I don't spend that much time or energy worrying about it. It's not
like I'm ever going to find myself in his bed... damn it, anyway.
Giselle (I would do it, mind you, but I think there are some seriously long
odds against it happening)
>
>Unless I'm completely cracking up I do believe I've seen photos of her
>modeling a swimsuit minus the artificial leg. I don't feel sorry for her
>and why should I?
i don't feel sorry for her either. lots of people have
*disablilities'handicaps* that require prosthetics.
>he's done damn good for herself with what other people
>may consider a horrid handicap/defect. It seems to me that she doesn't
>think it's horrible or a handicap at all.
agreed.
Hudson