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R Kym Horsell
Aug 6, 2014, 12:57:47 AM8/6/14
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Global Warming Deniers Grow More Desperate By The Day
David Suzuki & Ian Hanington.
Tue, 2014-08-05 17:45
Desmogblog
The Heartland Institute's recent International Climate Change
Conference in Las Vegas illustrates climate change deniers' desperate
confusion. As Bloomberg News noted, "Heartland's strategy seemed to be
to throw many theories at the wall and see what stuck." A who's who of
fossil fuel industry supporters and anti-science shills variously
argued that global warming is a myth; that it's happening but natural
-- a result of the sun or "Pacific Decadal Oscillation"; that it's
happening but we shouldn't worry about it; or that global cooling is
the real problem.
The only common thread, Bloomberg reported, was the preponderance of
attacks on and jokes about Al Gore: "It rarely took more than a minute
or two before one punctuated the swirl of opaque and occasionally
conflicting scientific theories."
Personal attacks are common among deniers. Their lies are continually
debunked, leaving them with no rational challenge to overwhelming
scientific evidence that the world is warming and that humans are
largely responsible. Comments under my columns about global
warming include endless repetition of falsehoods like "there's been no
warming for 18 years", "it's the sun", and references to "communist
misanthropes", "libtard warmers", alarmists and worse...
Far worse. Katharine Hayhoe, director of Texas Tech's Climate Science
Center and an evangelical Christian, had her email inbox flooded
with hate mail and threats after conservative pundit Rush Limbaugh
denounced her, and right-wing blogger Mark Morano published her email
address. "I got an email the other day so obscene I had to file a
police report," Hayhoe said in an interview on the Responding to
Climate Change website. "They mentioned my child. It had all kinds of
sexual perversions in it -- it just makes your skin crawl."
One email chastised her for taking "a man's job" and called for her
public execution, finishing with, "If you have a child, then women in
the future will be even more leery of lying to get ahead, when they see
your baby crying next to the basket next to the guillotine."
Many attacks came from fellow Christians unable to accept that humans
can affect "God's creation". That's a belief held even by a few
well-known scientists and others held up as climate experts, including
Roy Spencer, David Legates and Canadian economist Ross McKitrick.
They've signed the Cornwall Alliance's Evangelical Declaration on
Global Warming, which says, "We believe Earth and its ecosystems --
created by God's intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by
His faithful providence -- are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and
self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying
His glory. Earth's climate system is no exception." This worldview
predetermines their approach to the science.
Lest you think nasty, irrational comments are exclusively from fringe
elements, remember the gathering place for most deniers, the Heartland
Institute, has compared those who accept the evidence for human-caused
climate change to terrorists. Similar language was used to describe the
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency in a full-page ad in USA Today
and Politico from the Environmental Policy Alliance, a front group set
up by PR firm Berman and Company, which has attacked environmentalists,
labour-rights advocates, health organizations -- even Mothers Against
Drunk Driving and the Humane Society -- on behalf of funders and
clients including Monsanto, Wendy's and tobacco giant Phillip Morris.
The terrorism meme was later picked up by Pennsylvania Republican
congressman Mike Kelly.
Fortunately, most people don't buy irrational attempts to disavow
science. A Forum Research poll found 81 per cent of Canadians accept
the reality of global warming, and 58 per cent agree it's mostly
human-caused. An Ipsos MORI poll found that, although the U.S. has
a higher number of climate change deniers than 20 countries surveyed,
54 per cent of Americans believe in human-caused climate change.
(Research also shows climate change denial is most prevalent in
English-speaking countries, especially in areas "served" by media
outlets owned by Rupert Murdoch, who rejects climate science.)
It's time to shift attention from those who sow doubt and confusion,
either out of ignorance or misanthropic greed, to those who want to
address a real, serious problem. The BBC has the right idea,
instructing its reporters to improve accuracy by giving less air time
to people with anti-science views, including climate change deniers.
Solutions exist, but every delay makes them more difficult and costly.
--
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Mashable, 04 Aug 2014 17:18Z
Typhoon Halong, which peaked at a monstrous Category Five intensity during
the weekend, becoming one of the most intense -- if not the strongest -- storm
on Earth so far in 2014. Halong is forecast to make landfall in Japan on
Aug 9 as a Category One ...
New York had deadliest tornado in the US during July
The Post-Standard, 04 Aug 2014 19:35Z
The only other fatal tornado last month hit in Virginia on July 24, killing
2 and injuring 36, the SPC said. New York reported seven tornadoes in Jul,
more than any other state except Iowa, which had 13. Four of those 7
tornadoes hit Central New ...
Hawaii Loads up on Supplies as 2 Major Storms Loom
ABC News, 05 Aug 2014 21:08Z
When a pallet full of bottled water ran out at a Honolulu warehouse store
Tue, shoppers loading up on supplies ahead of a hurricane and tropical storm
barreling toward Hawaii hovered around until a worker refilled it. Then, it
quickly emptied again.
Western states deal with extreme weather
MyNews3 Las Vegas KSNV, 06 Aug 2014 00:12Z
The weather in the western United States is either too wet or too dry, with
both extremes resulting in some destructive weather. Wildfires have spread
to 5 W states, and have now scorched nearly a half-million acres, forcing
Bret Cahill
Aug 6, 2014, 1:36:33 AM8/6/14
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> <http://www.desmogblog.com/2014/08/05/global-warming-deniers-grow-more-
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> Global Warming Deniers Grow More Desperate By The Day
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> David Suzuki & Ian Hanington.
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> Tue, 2014-08-05 17:45
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> Desmogblog
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> The Heartland Institute's recent International Climate Change
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> Conference in Las Vegas illustrates climate change deniers' desperate
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> confusion. As Bloomberg News noted, "Heartland's strategy seemed to be
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> to throw many theories at the wall and see what stuck."
And if that don't work then come up with even more FUD theories.
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> desperate-day>
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> Global Warming Deniers Grow More Desperate By The Day
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> David Suzuki & Ian Hanington.
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> Tue, 2014-08-05 17:45
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> Desmogblog
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>
>
>
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> The Heartland Institute's recent International Climate Change
>
> Conference in Las Vegas illustrates climate change deniers' desperate
>
> confusion. As Bloomberg News noted, "Heartland's strategy seemed to be
>
> to throw many theories at the wall and see what stuck."
> A who's who of
>
> fossil fuel industry supporters and anti-science shills variously
>
> argued that global warming is a myth; that it's happening but natural
>
> -- a result of the sun or "Pacific Decadal Oscillation"; that it's
>
> happening but we shouldn't worry about it; or that global cooling is
>
> the real problem.
> The only common thread, Bloomberg reported, was the preponderance of
>
> attacks on and jokes about Al Gore: "It rarely took more than a minute
>
> or two before one punctuated the swirl of opaque and occasionally
>
> conflicting scientific theories."
> Personal attacks are common among deniers. Their lies are continually
>
> debunked, leaving them with no rational challenge to overwhelming
>
> scientific evidence that the world is warming and that humans are
>
> largely responsible.
> Comments under my columns about global
>
> warming include endless repetition of falsehoods like "there's been no
>
> warming for 18 years", "it's the sun", and references to "communist
>
> misanthropes", "libtard warmers", alarmists and worse...
> Far worse. Katharine Hayhoe, director of Texas Tech's Climate Science
>
> Center and an evangelical Christian, had her email inbox flooded
>
> with hate mail and threats after conservative pundit Rush Limbaugh
>
> denounced her, and right-wing blogger Mark Morano published her email
>
> address. "I got an email the other day so obscene I had to file a
>
> police report," Hayhoe said in an interview on the Responding to
>
> Climate Change website. "They mentioned my child. It had all kinds of
>
> sexual perversions in it -- it just makes your skin crawl."
> One email chastised her for taking "a man's job" and called for her
>
> public execution, finishing with, "If you have a child, then women in
>
> the future will be even more leery of lying to get ahead, when they see
>
> your baby crying next to the basket next to the guillotine."
"No [democratic] gummint action no matter whut."
[Just Koch Bros gummint.]
. . .
> U.S. Environmental Protection Agency in a full-page ad in USA Today
>
> and Politico from the Environmental Policy Alliance, a front group set
>
> up by PR firm Berman and Company, which has attacked environmentalists,
>
> labour-rights advocates, health organizations -- even Mothers Against
>
> Drunk Driving
Drunk Drivers Against Mad Mothers.
Wally W.
Aug 6, 2014, 6:56:30 AM8/6/14
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On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 04:57:47 +0000 (UTC), R Kym Horsell wrote:
>Personal attacks are common among deniers.
Irony.
>Personal attacks are common among deniers.
Tunderbar
Aug 6, 2014, 10:33:38 AM8/6/14
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LOL.
Tom P
Aug 6, 2014, 11:05:37 AM8/6/14
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that even the last denier has given up denying reality, it will be too
late to do anything about it.
Chom Noamsky
Aug 6, 2014, 11:19:02 AM8/6/14
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On 8/5/2014 9:57 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
> Global Warming Deniers Grow More Desperate By The Day
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> David Suzuki & Ian Hanington.
Pure projection by radical nutters. Aka "irony".
> Global Warming Deniers Grow More Desperate By The Day
>
> David Suzuki & Ian Hanington.
Tunderbar
Aug 6, 2014, 12:05:30 PM8/6/14
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Unum
Aug 6, 2014, 1:13:02 PM8/6/14
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"I got an email the other day so obscene I had to file a
police report," Hayhoe said in an interview on the Responding to
Climate Change website. "They mentioned my child. It had all kinds of
sexual perversions in it -- it just makes your skin crawl."
Looks like pure 'actuality' to me.
police report," Hayhoe said in an interview on the Responding to
Climate Change website. "They mentioned my child. It had all kinds of
sexual perversions in it -- it just makes your skin crawl."
Unum
Aug 6, 2014, 1:14:57 PM8/6/14
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On 8/6/2014 11:05 AM, Tunderbar wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 10:05:37 AM UTC-5, Tom P wrote:
>> On 08/05/2014 11:57 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
>>
>>> <http://www.desmogblog.com/2014/08/05/global-warming-deniers-grow-more-
>
> On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 10:05:37 AM UTC-5, Tom P wrote:
>> On 08/05/2014 11:57 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
>>
>>> <http://www.desmogblog.com/2014/08/05/global-warming-deniers-grow-more-
>
>> The depressing thing is that by the time the climate has changed so much
>>
>> that even the last denier has given up denying reality, it will be too
>>
>> late to do anything about it.
>
> And the climate has changed sooooo much in the last 18 years..... LOL.
Well documented. Why do you deny it?
>>
>> that even the last denier has given up denying reality, it will be too
>>
>> late to do anything about it.
>
> And the climate has changed sooooo much in the last 18 years..... LOL.
Chom Noamsky
Aug 6, 2014, 2:05:03 PM8/6/14
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the enemy".
Bret Cahill
Aug 6, 2014, 2:09:56 PM8/6/14
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> >>> Global Warming Deniers Grow More Desperate By The Day
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> >>>
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> >>> David Suzuki & Ian Hanington.
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> >>
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> >> Pure projection by radical nutters. Aka "irony".
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> >
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> > "I got an email the other day so obscene I had to file a
>
> > police report," Hayhoe said in an interview on the Responding to
>
> > Climate Change website. "They mentioned my child. It had all kinds of
>
> > sexual perversions in it -- it just makes your skin crawl."
>
> >
>
> > Looks like pure 'actuality' to me.
>
>
>
> Police will no doubt trace the email to some eco-nutter trying to "frame
>
> the enemy".
More denier projecting.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> David Suzuki & Ian Hanington.
>
> >>
>
> >> Pure projection by radical nutters. Aka "irony".
>
> >
>
> > "I got an email the other day so obscene I had to file a
>
> > police report," Hayhoe said in an interview on the Responding to
>
> > Climate Change website. "They mentioned my child. It had all kinds of
>
> > sexual perversions in it -- it just makes your skin crawl."
>
> >
>
> > Looks like pure 'actuality' to me.
>
>
>
> Police will no doubt trace the email to some eco-nutter trying to "frame
>
> the enemy".
Bret Cahill
Aug 6, 2014, 2:25:21 PM8/6/14
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> >>> <http://www.desmogblog.com/2014/08/05/global-warming-deniers-grow-more-
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> >
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> >> The depressing thing is that by the time the climate has changed so much
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> >>
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> >> that even the last denier has given up denying reality, it will be too
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> >>
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> >> late to do anything about it.
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> >
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> > And the climate has changed sooooo much in the last 18 years..... LOL.
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>
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> Well documented. Why do you deny it?
Being a denier and being a conspiracy theorist not just have broad overlap, they are closely related:
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> >
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> >> The depressing thing is that by the time the climate has changed so much
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> >>
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> >> that even the last denier has given up denying reality, it will be too
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> >>
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> >> late to do anything about it.
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> >
>
> > And the climate has changed sooooo much in the last 18 years..... LOL.
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>
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> Well documented. Why do you deny it?
If anything doesn't fit into the "no gummint action no matter whut" ideology AGW deniers just deny that it is true.
Being a denier is so easy not only can any idiot be a denier, a sub double digit IQ is a prerequisite!
Same thing for conspiracy theorists.
If anything doesn't fit into the conspiracy narrative, i.e., concentration camp time stamps, etc., the conspiracy theorist just expands his conspiracy theory to include that as well.
Holocaust deniers end up making such bat crazy claims about the Jews controlling everything, God Himself would be foolish to try to counter the Jews.
Same for climate science deniers. Deniers' own talking points indicate that the Marxist climate scientists have taken over Nature, Scientific American, NASA, NOAA, and every university on the planet except creationist Liberty U.!
If the climate scientists are such great conspirators, then it is futile to oppose them.
Just turn tits up and surrender!
Bret Cahill
Catoni
Aug 6, 2014, 3:36:37 PM8/6/14
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On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:57:47 AM UTC-4, Kym Horsell wrote:
>David Suzuki ......
Ha, ha, ha, ha ha...the disgraced fruit fly doctor Suzuki....
>".. others held up as climate experts, including
Dr. Spencer wrote: " ...National Academies of Science (NAS) report on the subject has now admitted that all we really know is that we are warmer now than we were during the last 400 years, which is mostly made up of the "Little Ice Age". And this is a bad thing?"
Spencer says that global warming is caused primarily by natural processes.
And I suppose Al Gore (politician and propagandist) and the disgraced fruit fly Dr. David Suzuki (Zoologist and fruit fly geneticist) and James Hansen (astronomer) are climate experts... ? ?
(None of them have degrees in Climatology) .
Funny...... . :)
>David Suzuki ......
Ha, ha, ha, ha ha...the disgraced fruit fly doctor Suzuki....
>".. others held up as climate experts, including
>Roy Spencer, David Legates and Canadian economist Ross McKitrick."
(Dr. Roy Spencer is indeed a Climatologist. Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, and the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer (AMSR-E) on NASA's Aqua satellite. He has served as Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center. Spencer received a B.S. in atmospheric sciences from the University of Michigan in 1978 and his M.S. and Ph.D. in meteorology from the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1980 and 1982. His doctoral thesis was titled, A case study of African wave structure and energetics during Atlantic transit.
Dr. Spencer wrote: " ...National Academies of Science (NAS) report on the subject has now admitted that all we really know is that we are warmer now than we were during the last 400 years, which is mostly made up of the "Little Ice Age". And this is a bad thing?"
Spencer says that global warming is caused primarily by natural processes.
And I suppose Al Gore (politician and propagandist) and the disgraced fruit fly Dr. David Suzuki (Zoologist and fruit fly geneticist) and James Hansen (astronomer) are climate experts... ? ?
(None of them have degrees in Climatology) .
Funny...... . :)
Chom Noamsky
Aug 6, 2014, 5:00:51 PM8/6/14
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and the taxpayers of Canada. Gore is a failed president wannabe and a
policy hack. About the only positive thing Gore ever did in his career
was promote the commercialization of the Internet. AFAIK, neither Gore
nor Suzuki have ever published in a refereed journal and neither
qualifies as a "scientist" in terms of original research.
Dr. Roy Spencer, on the other hand, does qualify.
R Kym Horsell
Aug 6, 2014, 5:48:29 PM8/6/14
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--
You said also that you agreed with the following proposition "If a theory
A predicts B and we observe B then we have evidence the theory is true".
Do you agree it is a remarkable delusion ? Do you agree that denying it
is a logical fallacy is not creeping denialism, but a full deception.
-- Paul Aubrin <chu8i...@free.fr>, 08 Jul 2012 19:17:54 GMT
R Kym Horsell
Aug 6, 2014, 5:52:37 PM8/6/14
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Unum <non...@yourbusiness.com> wrote:
D'oh D'oh D'oh was just projecting.
--
Oh my, the venom words mean I scored a direct hit.
-- Chomper aka Kim Dobrainski, 27 Jul 2104 1:45pm
[I]t's better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to open your
mouth hand remove all doubt.
-- Chomper, 31 Jan 2014
--
Oh my, the venom words mean I scored a direct hit.
-- Chomper aka Kim Dobrainski, 27 Jul 2104 1:45pm
[I]t's better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to open your
mouth hand remove all doubt.
-- Chomper, 31 Jan 2014
Unum
Aug 6, 2014, 6:51:08 PM8/6/14
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Unum
Aug 6, 2014, 6:57:39 PM8/6/14
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On 8/6/2014 2:36 PM, Catoni wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:57:47 AM UTC-4, Kym Horsell wrote:
>
>
>> David Suzuki ......
>
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha ha...the disgraced fruit fly doctor Suzuki....
>
>
>> ".. others held up as climate experts, including
>> Roy Spencer, David Legates and Canadian economist Ross McKitrick."
>
> (Dr. Roy Spencer is indeed a Climatologist. Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, and the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer (AMSR-E) on NASA's Aqua satellite. He has served as Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center. Spencer received a B.S. in atmospheric sciences from the University of Michigan in 1978 and his M.S. and Ph.D. in meteorology from the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1980 and 1982. His doctoral thesis was titled, A case study of African wave structure and energetics during Atlantic transit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer_%28scientist%29#Climate_change
> On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:57:47 AM UTC-4, Kym Horsell wrote:
>
>
>> David Suzuki ......
>
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha ha...the disgraced fruit fly doctor Suzuki....
>
>
>> ".. others held up as climate experts, including
>> Roy Spencer, David Legates and Canadian economist Ross McKitrick."
>
> (Dr. Roy Spencer is indeed a Climatologist. Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, and the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer (AMSR-E) on NASA's Aqua satellite. He has served as Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center. Spencer received a B.S. in atmospheric sciences from the University of Michigan in 1978 and his M.S. and Ph.D. in meteorology from the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1980 and 1982. His doctoral thesis was titled, A case study of African wave structure and energetics during Atlantic transit.
Spencer is a signatory to An Evangelical Declaration on Global
Warming, which states that "Earth and its ecosystems � created
by God's intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by
His faithful providence � are robust,resilient, self-regulating,
and self-correcting".
R Kym Horsell
Aug 6, 2014, 7:19:59 PM8/6/14
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Unum <non...@yourbusiness.com> wrote:
> On 8/6/2014 2:36 PM, Catoni wrote:
>> On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:57:47 AM UTC-4, Kym Horsell wrote:
>>> David Suzuki ......
>> Ha, ha, ha, ha ha...the disgraced fruit fly doctor Suzuki....
>>> ".. others held up as climate experts, including
>>> Roy Spencer, David Legates and Canadian economist Ross McKitrick."
>> (Dr. Roy Spencer is indeed a Climatologist. Principal Research
Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, and the U.S. Science
Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer (AMSR-E) on NASA'
s Aqua satellite. He has served as Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at
NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center. Spencer received a B.S. in atmospheric
sciences from the University of Michigan in 1978 and his M.S. and Ph.D. in
meteorology from the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1980 and 1982. His
doctoral thesis was titled, A case study of African wave structure and
energetics during Atlantic transit.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer_%28scientist%29#Climate_change
> Spencer is a signatory to An Evangelical Declaration on Global
> Warming, which states that "Earth and its ecosystems ? created
> On 8/6/2014 2:36 PM, Catoni wrote:
>> On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:57:47 AM UTC-4, Kym Horsell wrote:
>>> David Suzuki ......
>> Ha, ha, ha, ha ha...the disgraced fruit fly doctor Suzuki....
>>> ".. others held up as climate experts, including
>>> Roy Spencer, David Legates and Canadian economist Ross McKitrick."
>> (Dr. Roy Spencer is indeed a Climatologist. Principal Research
Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, and the U.S. Science
Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer (AMSR-E) on NASA'
s Aqua satellite. He has served as Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at
NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center. Spencer received a B.S. in atmospheric
sciences from the University of Michigan in 1978 and his M.S. and Ph.D. in
meteorology from the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1980 and 1982. His
doctoral thesis was titled, A case study of African wave structure and
energetics during Atlantic transit.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer_%28scientist%29#Climate_change
> Spencer is a signatory to An Evangelical Declaration on Global
> by God's intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by
> His faithful providence ? are robust,resilient, self-regulating,
> and self-correcting".
I'd heard the dingbats yammer on about how the climate is in perfect balance.
E.g. followers of Milk-a-cow-skis 1d -ve heat capacity negative feedback
model. I'd heard them yammer on about how the earth is only 6000
years old and was created only for Man's enjoyment. But I never until now
connected the 2 groups of cranks as some kind of simple-minded
interpretation of the Bible evangelicals.
Live and learn. :)
--
You have been stupid enough to write: "If a theory A predicts B and we
observe B then we have evidence the theory is true" and you are telling
me that pointing your error is some sophistry?
-- Paul Aubrin <chu8i...@free.fr>, 08 Jul 2012 18:36:01 GMT
Making successful predictions is the gold standard of science.
If a theory successfully predicts phenomena that are later observed,
one can be confident that the theory captures something essential
about the real world system.
-- Andrew Dessler, testimony to US Senate, 21 Jan 2014
Chom Noamsky
Aug 6, 2014, 8:22:37 PM8/6/14
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Super Turtle
Aug 6, 2014, 9:07:18 PM8/6/14
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"Bret Cahill" wrote in message
news:2a40f882-5f27-4d22...@googlegroups.com...
>Same for climate science deniers. Deniers' own talking points indicate
>that the Marxist climate scientists have taken over Nature, Scientific
>American, NASA, NOAA
It is where the liberal left and socialists are these days. Not my fault
your part of these people!
And we know this from THEIR statements!
Well, right from the greens horses mouth:
130 Environmental Groups call for An End to Capitalism
http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/23/130-environmental-groups-call-for-an-end-to-capitalism/
<quote>
Environmentalists have declared that global warming can’t be stopped without
ending the “hegemonic capitalist system,”
<quote>
Here is a quote from your
socialist foe at the IPCC:
<quote>
One must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by
climate policy.” – Ottmar Edenhofer, co-chair of Working group III IPCC, In
an interview published by the Neue Zürchen Zeitung.
</quote>
Above again is RIGHT from the horses mouth. So this is not about science
here, is
it, but only your left wing socialist "cause" and agenda.
You have to define what it is we are denying here. I not aware of one
skeptic that does not believe CO2 can trap heat (not one!).
Of course if you can't get what we don't agree upon here, then you just
showing you cannot reason and are being dishonest.
The simple matter is man's output of CO2 is not a problem. And as more
observations come out, we see LESS AND LESS
sensitivity as claimed by the AL Gores and the IPPC. We not seen warming for
nearly 18 years now.
>If the climate scientists are such great conspirators, then it is futile to
>oppose them.
Who says there is a conspiracy here? Why do you make up such crap?
So find me a government employee wondering the halls of government asking
for less taxes and less government employees?
And your brain dead concluding is this is a conspiracy?
Exactly when did your IQ become that of a drunken rodeo clown? Yet you don't
find any government employees wondering the halls asking for less
government, do you?
And your claim this is a conspiracy? (you cannot possible be that stupid,
can you?).
And for the reading public here? Lets help you open up your eyes to what
Brett and foe are all about:
Here is a WONDERFUL video of Brent's kind of friends at the Copenhagen
global warming conference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNQqUACJ_Kw
So yes, you birds of a left wing socialist feather MOST certainly do flock
together.
Here go watch your friends and foe at the climate conference again!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNQqUACJ_Kw
Sounds like you folks are getting more desperate.
After all the Australia public demanded and got a repeal of of the CO2 tax
in Australia - this whole scam is unraveling and doing so fast! And that is
with near 100% of the news media and you folks spewing out your socialist
dribble. Fact is the public is TURNING on this issue and you loosing this
fight big time.
Super Turtle
news:2a40f882-5f27-4d22...@googlegroups.com...
>Same for climate science deniers. Deniers' own talking points indicate
>that the Marxist climate scientists have taken over Nature, Scientific
>American, NASA, NOAA
your part of these people!
And we know this from THEIR statements!
Well, right from the greens horses mouth:
130 Environmental Groups call for An End to Capitalism
http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/23/130-environmental-groups-call-for-an-end-to-capitalism/
<quote>
Environmentalists have declared that global warming can’t be stopped without
ending the “hegemonic capitalist system,”
<quote>
Here is a quote from your
socialist foe at the IPCC:
<quote>
One must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by
climate policy.” – Ottmar Edenhofer, co-chair of Working group III IPCC, In
an interview published by the Neue Zürchen Zeitung.
</quote>
Above again is RIGHT from the horses mouth. So this is not about science
here, is
it, but only your left wing socialist "cause" and agenda.
You have to define what it is we are denying here. I not aware of one
skeptic that does not believe CO2 can trap heat (not one!).
Of course if you can't get what we don't agree upon here, then you just
showing you cannot reason and are being dishonest.
The simple matter is man's output of CO2 is not a problem. And as more
observations come out, we see LESS AND LESS
sensitivity as claimed by the AL Gores and the IPPC. We not seen warming for
nearly 18 years now.
>If the climate scientists are such great conspirators, then it is futile to
>oppose them.
So find me a government employee wondering the halls of government asking
for less taxes and less government employees?
And your brain dead concluding is this is a conspiracy?
Exactly when did your IQ become that of a drunken rodeo clown? Yet you don't
find any government employees wondering the halls asking for less
government, do you?
And your claim this is a conspiracy? (you cannot possible be that stupid,
can you?).
And for the reading public here? Lets help you open up your eyes to what
Brett and foe are all about:
Here is a WONDERFUL video of Brent's kind of friends at the Copenhagen
global warming conference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNQqUACJ_Kw
So yes, you birds of a left wing socialist feather MOST certainly do flock
together.
Here go watch your friends and foe at the climate conference again!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNQqUACJ_Kw
Sounds like you folks are getting more desperate.
After all the Australia public demanded and got a repeal of of the CO2 tax
in Australia - this whole scam is unraveling and doing so fast! And that is
with near 100% of the news media and you folks spewing out your socialist
dribble. Fact is the public is TURNING on this issue and you loosing this
fight big time.
Super Turtle
Unum
Aug 6, 2014, 9:10:43 PM8/6/14
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gordo
Aug 6, 2014, 11:42:35 PM8/6/14
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Al Gore was the vice president of the largest super power on the
planet. They both understood what the science was saying. So do every
university on the planet and the IPCC and its reports. If the best you
can do is attack two earth shakers in your denial of AGW it is time
to learn some science.
Chom Noamsky
Aug 7, 2014, 12:43:38 AM8/7/14
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On 8/6/2014 8:42 PM, gordo wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 14:00:51 -0700, Chom Noamsky
> <chomp...@chompchompchomp.chomp> wrote:
>
>> On 8/6/2014 12:36 PM, Catoni wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:57:47 AM UTC-4, Kym Horsell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> David Suzuki ......
>>>
>>>
>>> Ha, ha, ha, ha ha...the disgraced fruit fly doctor Suzuki....
>>>
>>>
>>>> ".. others held up as climate experts, including
>>>> Roy Spencer, David Legates and Canadian economist Ross McKitrick."
>>>
>>> (Dr. Roy Spencer is indeed a Climatologist. Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, and the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer (AMSR-E) on NASA's Aqua satellite. He has served as Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center. Spencer received a B.S. in atmospheric sciences from the University of Michigan in 1978 and his M.S. and Ph.D. in meteorology from the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1980 and 1982. His doctoral thesis was titled, A case study of African wave structure and energetics during Atlantic transit.
>>>
>>> Dr. Spencer wrote: " ...National Academies of Science (NAS) report on the subject has now admitted that all we really know is that we are warmer now than we were during the last 400 years, which is mostly made up of the "Little Ice Age". And this is a bad thing?"
>>>
>>>
>>> Spencer says that global warming is caused primarily by natural processes.
>>>
>>> And I suppose Al Gore (politician and propagandist) and the disgraced fruit fly Dr. David Suzuki (Zoologist and fruit fly geneticist) and James Hansen (astronomer) are climate experts... ? ?
>>>
>>> (None of them have degrees in Climatology) .
>>>
>>> Funny...... . :)
>>
>> Suzuki is a celebrity scientist whose entire career was made by the CBC
>> and the taxpayers of Canada. Gore is a failed president wannabe and a
>> policy hack. About the only positive thing Gore ever did in his career
>> was promote the commercialization of the Internet. AFAIK, neither Gore
>> nor Suzuki have ever published in a refereed journal and neither
>> qualifies as a "scientist" in terms of original research.
>>
>> Dr. Roy Spencer, on the other hand, does qualify.
>
> You should try being honest. Dr. Suzuki is a world famous scientist.
Real scientists do research, make discoveries and expand the scientific
> On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 14:00:51 -0700, Chom Noamsky
> <chomp...@chompchompchomp.chomp> wrote:
>
>> On 8/6/2014 12:36 PM, Catoni wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:57:47 AM UTC-4, Kym Horsell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> David Suzuki ......
>>>
>>>
>>> Ha, ha, ha, ha ha...the disgraced fruit fly doctor Suzuki....
>>>
>>>
>>>> ".. others held up as climate experts, including
>>>> Roy Spencer, David Legates and Canadian economist Ross McKitrick."
>>>
>>> (Dr. Roy Spencer is indeed a Climatologist. Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, and the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer (AMSR-E) on NASA's Aqua satellite. He has served as Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center. Spencer received a B.S. in atmospheric sciences from the University of Michigan in 1978 and his M.S. and Ph.D. in meteorology from the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1980 and 1982. His doctoral thesis was titled, A case study of African wave structure and energetics during Atlantic transit.
>>>
>>> Dr. Spencer wrote: " ...National Academies of Science (NAS) report on the subject has now admitted that all we really know is that we are warmer now than we were during the last 400 years, which is mostly made up of the "Little Ice Age". And this is a bad thing?"
>>>
>>>
>>> Spencer says that global warming is caused primarily by natural processes.
>>>
>>> And I suppose Al Gore (politician and propagandist) and the disgraced fruit fly Dr. David Suzuki (Zoologist and fruit fly geneticist) and James Hansen (astronomer) are climate experts... ? ?
>>>
>>> (None of them have degrees in Climatology) .
>>>
>>> Funny...... . :)
>>
>> Suzuki is a celebrity scientist whose entire career was made by the CBC
>> and the taxpayers of Canada. Gore is a failed president wannabe and a
>> policy hack. About the only positive thing Gore ever did in his career
>> was promote the commercialization of the Internet. AFAIK, neither Gore
>> nor Suzuki have ever published in a refereed journal and neither
>> qualifies as a "scientist" in terms of original research.
>>
>> Dr. Roy Spencer, on the other hand, does qualify.
>
> You should try being honest. Dr. Suzuki is a world famous scientist.
knowledge base. Suzuki has done no original research, made no
discoveries, nor has he expanded the knowledge base. He is only a
scientist in name.
> Al Gore was the vice president of the largest super power on the
> planet. They both understood what the science was saying. So do every
> university on the planet and the IPCC and its reports. If the best you
> can do is attack two earth shakers in your denial of AGW it is time
> to learn some science.
become a skeptic pretty quick.
Catoni
Aug 7, 2014, 12:47:01 AM8/7/14
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On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 11:42:35 PM UTC-4, gordo wrote:
> You should try being honest. Dr. Suzuki is a world famous scientist.
You should try being honest. St. Suzuki hasn't done any real science in years.... he's a wealthy champagne socialist entertainment celebrity.
> You should try being honest. Dr. Suzuki is a world famous scientist.
And even when he did do science..many years ago... it had nothing to do with climate.
It had to do with Zoology and Fruit Fly Genetics.
In an interview in Australia..... (he was paid $75,000.00) Suzuki didn't even know what G.I.S.S., U.A.H. and HadCRU(T) meant. (Goddard Institute of Space Studies, University of Alabama at Huntsville, and Hadley Centre of the UK Met Office and the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia.
Those organizations are where the I.P.C.C. get a lot of (maybe most) of their temperature data from.
And the totally disgraced Suzuki was clueless..... had no idea..... How embarrassing for him...... and so funny.
That's the moron that you idolize.....
David Suzuki beclowns himself on Australian TV - Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0nWrItaY1g
David Suzuki beclowns himself on Australian TV - Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLgBLWn0IQY
David Suzuki beclowns himself on Australian TV - Part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsdcClXGDPM
Al Gore is a failed wannabe ......hoped to be president that rode into the vice-presidency on someone else's coat tails.
gordo
Aug 7, 2014, 12:51:02 AM8/7/14
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On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:51:08 -0500, Unum <non...@yourbusiness.com>
wrote:
Good one. Best laugh of the day.
wrote:
Chom Noamsky
Aug 7, 2014, 12:59:24 AM8/7/14
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pre-written questions and a script to follow. The Australian media
isn't quite so compliant, that's why Suzuki was so terribly confused and
befuddled.
Bret Cahill
Aug 7, 2014, 2:02:43 AM8/7/14
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> >Same for climate science deniers. Deniers' own talking points indicate
>
> >that the Marxist climate scientists have taken over Nature, Scientific
>
> >American, NASA, NOAA
>
>
>
> It is where the liberal left and socialists are these days. Not my fault
>
> your part of these people!
How do you know who is part of whom?
>
> >that the Marxist climate scientists have taken over Nature, Scientific
>
> >American, NASA, NOAA
>
>
>
> It is where the liberal left and socialists are these days. Not my fault
>
> your part of these people!
You working for NSA?
Santa Claus?
Bret Cahill
Aug 7, 2014, 11:49:35 AM8/7/14
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gordo
Aug 7, 2014, 12:51:26 PM8/7/14
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On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 21:47:01 -0700 (PDT), Catoni
<cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 11:42:35 PM UTC-4, gordo wrote:
>
>> You should try being honest. Dr. Suzuki is a world famous scientist.Dr
<cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 11:42:35 PM UTC-4, gordo wrote:
>
of the largest super power on earth. You can't just wish it away. Al
Gore won a Nobel prize and you didn't.
Chom Noamsky
Aug 7, 2014, 12:57:09 PM8/7/14
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Super Turtle
Aug 7, 2014, 1:15:48 PM8/7/14
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"Bret Cahill" wrote in message
news:8189aea0-c8aa-4748...@googlegroups.com...
>> It is where the liberal left and socialists are these days. Not my fault
>> your part of these people!
>How do you know who is part of whom?
And worse, those officials from IPCC etc. on occasion open their big mouths.
They are plain and clear declaration of how these people think and you
clearly also think like them.
I mean, even the climate gate emails mention the term "cause" over and over.
Since when did science become a cause.
So we know how these people think by watching videos of folks like you at
the climate conferences.
Quote by Christine Stewart, former Canadian Environment Minister:
“No matter if the science is all phoney, there are collateral
environmental benefits.... climate change [provides] the greatest
chance to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
Quote by Judi Bari, an American environmentalist and labor leader, a
feminist, and the principal organizer of Earth First!: "I think if we
don't overthrow capitalism, we don't have a chance of saving the world
ecologically,"
Quote by David Brower, a founder of the Sierra Club: "The goal now is
a socialist, redistributionist society, which is nature's proper
steward and society's only hope."
The list goes on and on.
So we know how your socialists breathern and comrades think - just by
quoting them and watching videos of your kind march at climate conferences.
Really! It is very easy to see how you folks think by simply quoting you!
So your true colors show quite much each time you open your mouth!
Super Turtle
gordo
Aug 7, 2014, 4:10:00 PM8/7/14
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gordo
Aug 7, 2014, 4:14:08 PM8/7/14
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Dr.Suzuki is a world famous scientist. Al Gore does not have to be a
scientist. You seem to speak daily on scientific matters and you are
not a scientist or a Nobel winner for making a movie about global
warming.
Chom Noamsky
Aug 7, 2014, 4:31:28 PM8/7/14
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any peer-reviewed scientific work that Suzuki has done.
Which leads to the obvious conclusion: gordo doesn't know the difference
between science and environmental activism.
(ಠ_ಠ)Раиса
Aug 7, 2014, 10:05:19 PM8/7/14
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On 8/6/2014 9:43 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
> Ah, yes, "learn some science". If you ever did that, gordo, you would
> become a skeptic pretty quick.
Better than being a hypocrite, eh, Dobranski ?
> Ah, yes, "learn some science". If you ever did that, gordo, you would
> become a skeptic pretty quick.
This yours? . . . .
_______________________
Chom Noamsky
18/12/2009
If you want to get a sense of global warming economic activity just
follow insurance industry news. They already consider it a serious
material threat. People like Canuck57 have their heads firmly inserted
up their asses and are completely lost to reality and reason. Not much
you can do to convince them... just remember who they are when they come
looking for compensation for damages.
__________________________________________________________
gordo
Aug 8, 2014, 12:55:39 AM8/8/14
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On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 13:31:28 -0700, Chom Noamsky
Nothing wrong with scientists being active. They have been burned at
the stake and had hot pokers shoved up their ass for explaining
science when the Christians power brokers saw science as a threat to
their power. Here is a truth. Dr. Suzuki is a world famous scientist
and Al Gore was a vice president of the Largest super power nation on
the planet. You belong to the rabble that shrieks , crucify them
because I don't like what they say.
the stake and had hot pokers shoved up their ass for explaining
science when the Christians power brokers saw science as a threat to
their power. Here is a truth. Dr. Suzuki is a world famous scientist
and Al Gore was a vice president of the Largest super power nation on
the planet. You belong to the rabble that shrieks , crucify them
because I don't like what they say.
Chom Noamsky
Aug 8, 2014, 1:13:55 AM8/8/14
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Learn to identify the difference between scientists and
activists/politicians. Even small children can do it.
Wally W.
Aug 8, 2014, 6:38:13 AM8/8/14
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be activists about AGW?
Catoni
Aug 8, 2014, 2:53:38 PM8/8/14
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On Friday, August 8, 2014 12:55:39 AM UTC-4, gordo wrote:
>"Dr. Suzuki is a world famous scientist .."
List his peer reviewed groundbreaking scientific research here:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
List his other research if appropriate.
>"Dr. Suzuki is a world famous scientist .."
List his peer reviewed groundbreaking scientific research here:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
List his other research if appropriate.
(ಠ_ಠ)Раиса
Aug 8, 2014, 4:39:26 PM8/8/14
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Kim Dobranski aka Chom Noamsky wrote:
> You say Suzuki is a "world famous scientist" yet you can't actually show
> any peer-reviewed scientific work that Suzuki has done.
>
> Which leads to the obvious conclusion: gordo doesn't know the difference
> between science and environmental activism.
Science can be flawed or accurate. But because it is usually based on
> You say Suzuki is a "world famous scientist" yet you can't actually show
> any peer-reviewed scientific work that Suzuki has done.
>
> Which leads to the obvious conclusion: gordo doesn't know the difference
> between science and environmental activism.
sampling, research, observance and reviews, it's more often accurate.
Environmental organizations know that the planet is experiencing huge
problems and the point out the results of the science from the above.
Got a problem with that, Dobranski?
(ಠ_ಠ)Раиса
Aug 8, 2014, 4:50:56 PM8/8/14
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On 8/7/2014 10:13 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
> Scientists do science, neither Suzuki nor Gore have done any science.
> Learn to identify the difference between scientists and
> activists/politicians. Even small children can do it.
Suzuki has a Ph.D in Zoologogy. That makes him an animal biologist or
> Scientists do science, neither Suzuki nor Gore have done any science.
> Learn to identify the difference between scientists and
> activists/politicians. Even small children can do it.
an animal scientist.
He went on to be a professor in genetics.
I'd say he's "done some science". Only a 'moron' would not.
(ಠ_ಠ)Раиса
Aug 8, 2014, 4:52:48 PM8/8/14
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On 8/8/2014 3:38 AM, Wally W. wrote:
> In what way are those statements relevant to their qualifications to
> be activists about AGW?
What are YOUR criteria for someone having "the qualifications to be
> In what way are those statements relevant to their qualifications to
> be activists about AGW?
activists about climate change"?
R Kym Horsell
Aug 8, 2014, 8:31:59 PM8/8/14
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--
Clearly a statement cannot be tested by observation unless it is an
assertion about the results of observation.
-- A S Eddington, "The Philosophy of Physical Science", 1938
Chom Noamsky
Aug 8, 2014, 9:24:32 PM8/8/14
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On 8/8/2014 5:31 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
> " (???_???)??????????" <" (?_?)"@nyet.ca> wrote:
>> On 8/7/2014 10:13 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>> Scientists do science, neither Suzuki nor Gore have done any science.
>>> Learn to identify the difference between scientists and
>>> activists/politicians. Even small children can do it.
>> Suzuki has a Ph.D in Zoologogy. That makes him an animal biologist or
>> an animal scientist.
>> He went on to be a professor in genetics.
>> I'd say he's "done some science". Only a 'moron' would not.
>
> Google Scholar says 346 reviewed articles by David [T] Suzuki.
It seems this particularly retarded audience is having a hard time
> " (???_???)??????????" <" (?_?)"@nyet.ca> wrote:
>> On 8/7/2014 10:13 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>> Scientists do science, neither Suzuki nor Gore have done any science.
>>> Learn to identify the difference between scientists and
>>> activists/politicians. Even small children can do it.
>> Suzuki has a Ph.D in Zoologogy. That makes him an animal biologist or
>> an animal scientist.
>> He went on to be a professor in genetics.
>> I'd say he's "done some science". Only a 'moron' would not.
>
> Google Scholar says 346 reviewed articles by David [T] Suzuki.
distinguishing between disseminating received knowledge and doing
original research.
Wally W.
Aug 8, 2014, 10:41:46 PM8/8/14
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mention those particular facts in this context? I didn't mention
anyone else. Your question to me is irrelevant. Explain why you think
the past lives of these particular activists is relevant, and then we
might talk about whether I agree.
gordo
Aug 9, 2014, 2:38:19 AM8/9/14
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say bot?
>
Message has been deleted
Catoni
Aug 9, 2014, 1:07:27 PM8/9/14
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On Friday, August 8, 2014 8:31:59 PM UTC-4, Kym Horsell wrote:
> Google Scholar says 346 reviewed articles by David [T] Suzuki.
>
>
> Google Scholar says 346 reviewed articles by David [T] Suzuki.
>
>
> Clearly a statement cannot be tested by observation unless it is an
> assertion about the results of observation.
>
> -- A S Eddington, "The Philosophy of Physical Science", 1938
Researched scientific work please....
> assertion about the results of observation.
>
> -- A S Eddington, "The Philosophy of Physical Science", 1938
Not a list of his political activist Alarmist stuff...
Remember.... The great fruit fly doctor Suzuki in front of the Australian audience didn't even know what UAH, GISS and HadCRUT mean....
Catoni
Aug 9, 2014, 1:13:05 PM8/9/14
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On Friday, August 8, 2014 4:50:56 PM UTC-4, (ಠ_ಠ)Раиса wrote:
> Suzuki has a Ph.D in Zoologogy. That makes him an animal biologist or
> an animal scientist.
>
> He went on to be a professor in genetics.
> I'd say he's "done some science". Only a 'moron' would not.
I said he hasn't done any in years..... he's a multimillionaire champagne socialist political activist entertainment celebrity.
Ph.D. in Zoology... not a climate scientist.
Fruit Fly genetics........not a climate scientist...
In front of the audience in Australia..... under questioning...Suzuki the fruit fly doctor didn't even know what HadCRUT and GISS and UAH stood for...
The guy has FOUR homes. One worth $8,000,000.00 bucks... flies around the world going to places like Australia and Bhutan....travels across Canada in a fleet of busses.....
He tells us that we need to cut back on the number of kids we have... ]
Suzuki has FIVE kids....
And he's telling US that we need to cut back our elaborate lifestyles to save the planet while he lives like a king.....
Talk about embarrassing.... LOL... ha. ha. ha. ha
And you support him........
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, Thanks for making me laugh today..... . LOL
James
Aug 10, 2014, 12:57:38 PM8/10/14
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"gordo" <grme...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:ups5u9pc8pn20bj3s...@4ax.com
> On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 14:00:51 -0700, Chom Noamsky
> <chomp...@chompchompchomp.chomp> wrote:
>
>> On 8/6/2014 12:36 PM, Catoni wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:57:47 AM UTC-4, Kym
>>> Horsell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Suzuki is a celebrity scientist whose entire career was
>> made by the CBC and the taxpayers of Canada. Gore is a
>> failed president wannabe and a policy hack. About the
>> only positive thing Gore ever did in his career was
>> promote the commercialization of the Internet. AFAIK,
>> neither Gore nor Suzuki have ever published in a
>> refereed journal and neither qualifies as a "scientist"
>> in terms of original research.
>>
>> Dr. Roy Spencer, on the other hand, does qualify.
>
> You should try being honest. Dr. Suzuki is a world
> famous scientist.
lol
news:ups5u9pc8pn20bj3s...@4ax.com
> On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 14:00:51 -0700, Chom Noamsky
> <chomp...@chompchompchomp.chomp> wrote:
>
>> On 8/6/2014 12:36 PM, Catoni wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:57:47 AM UTC-4, Kym
>>> Horsell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Suzuki is a celebrity scientist whose entire career was
>> made by the CBC and the taxpayers of Canada. Gore is a
>> failed president wannabe and a policy hack. About the
>> only positive thing Gore ever did in his career was
>> promote the commercialization of the Internet. AFAIK,
>> neither Gore nor Suzuki have ever published in a
>> refereed journal and neither qualifies as a "scientist"
>> in terms of original research.
>>
>> Dr. Roy Spencer, on the other hand, does qualify.
>
> You should try being honest. Dr. Suzuki is a world
> famous scientist.
lol
AM
Aug 10, 2014, 12:59:57 PM8/10/14
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Desertphile
Sep 12, 2014, 6:56:46 PM9/12/14
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On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 04:57:47 +0000 (UTC), R Kym Horsell
<k...@kymhorsell.com> wrote:
> <http://www.desmogblog.com/2014/08/05/global-warming-deniers-grow-more-desperate-day>
>
>
> Global Warming Deniers Grow More Desperate By The Day
And shrill: that's the funnest part!
> David Suzuki & Ian Hanington.
> Tue, 2014-08-05 17:45
> Desmogblog
>
>
> The Heartland Institute's recent International Climate Change
> Conference in Las Vegas illustrates climate change deniers' desperate
> confusion. As Bloomberg News noted, "Heartland's strategy seemed to be
> to throw many theories at the wall and see what stuck." A who's who of
> fossil fuel industry supporters and anti-science shills variously
> argued that global warming is a myth; that it's happening but natural
> -- a result of the sun or "Pacific Decadal Oscillation"; that it's
> happening but we shouldn't worry about it; or that global cooling is
> the real problem.
>
> The only common thread, Bloomberg reported, was the preponderance of
> attacks on and jokes about Al Gore: "It rarely took more than a minute
> or two before one punctuated the swirl of opaque and occasionally
> conflicting scientific theories."
>
> Personal attacks are common among deniers. Their lies are continually
> debunked, leaving them with no rational challenge to overwhelming
> scientific evidence that the world is warming and that humans are
> largely responsible. Comments under my columns about global
> warming include endless repetition of falsehoods like "there's been no
> warming for 18 years", "it's the sun", and references to "communist
> misanthropes", "libtard warmers", alarmists and worse...
>
> Far worse. Katharine Hayhoe, director of Texas Tech's Climate Science
> Center and an evangelical Christian, had her email inbox flooded
> with hate mail and threats after conservative pundit Rush Limbaugh
> denounced her, and right-wing blogger Mark Morano published her email
> address. "I got an email the other day so obscene I had to file a
> police report," Hayhoe said in an interview on the Responding to
> Climate Change website. "They mentioned my child. It had all kinds of
> sexual perversions in it -- it just makes your skin crawl."
>
> One email chastised her for taking "a man's job" and called for her
> public execution, finishing with, "If you have a child, then women in
> the future will be even more leery of lying to get ahead, when they see
> your baby crying next to the basket next to the guillotine."
>
> Many attacks came from fellow Christians unable to accept that humans
> can affect "God's creation". That's a belief held even by a few
> well-known scientists and others held up as climate experts, including
> Roy Spencer, David Legates and Canadian economist Ross McKitrick.
> They've signed the Cornwall Alliance's Evangelical Declaration on
> Global Warming, which says, "We believe Earth and its ecosystems --
> created by God's intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by
> His faithful providence -- are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and
> self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying
> His glory. Earth's climate system is no exception." This worldview
> predetermines their approach to the science.
>
> Lest you think nasty, irrational comments are exclusively from fringe
> elements, remember the gathering place for most deniers, the Heartland
> Institute, has compared those who accept the evidence for human-caused
> climate change to terrorists. Similar language was used to describe the
> U.S. Environmental Protection Agency in a full-page ad in USA Today
> and Politico from the Environmental Policy Alliance, a front group set
> up by PR firm Berman and Company, which has attacked environmentalists,
> labour-rights advocates, health organizations -- even Mothers Against
> Drunk Driving and the Humane Society -- on behalf of funders and
> clients including Monsanto, Wendy's and tobacco giant Phillip Morris.
> The terrorism meme was later picked up by Pennsylvania Republican
> congressman Mike Kelly.
>
> Fortunately, most people don't buy irrational attempts to disavow
> science. A Forum Research poll found 81 per cent of Canadians accept
> the reality of global warming, and 58 per cent agree it's mostly
> human-caused. An Ipsos MORI poll found that, although the U.S. has
> a higher number of climate change deniers than 20 countries surveyed,
> 54 per cent of Americans believe in human-caused climate change.
> (Research also shows climate change denial is most prevalent in
> English-speaking countries, especially in areas "served" by media
> outlets owned by Rupert Murdoch, who rejects climate science.)
>
> It's time to shift attention from those who sow doubt and confusion,
> either out of ignorance or misanthropic greed, to those who want to
> address a real, serious problem. The BBC has the right idea,
> instructing its reporters to improve accuracy by giving less air time
> to people with anti-science views, including climate change deniers.
>
> Solutions exist, but every delay makes them more difficult and costly.
--
"Poor Jesus, people always asking but nobody brings pliers
to pull out a few nails for him" -- Alissa Erin Holiday
<k...@kymhorsell.com> wrote:
> <http://www.desmogblog.com/2014/08/05/global-warming-deniers-grow-more-desperate-day>
>
>
> Global Warming Deniers Grow More Desperate By The Day
And shrill: that's the funnest part!
> David Suzuki & Ian Hanington.
> Tue, 2014-08-05 17:45
> Desmogblog
>
>
> The Heartland Institute's recent International Climate Change
> Conference in Las Vegas illustrates climate change deniers' desperate
> confusion. As Bloomberg News noted, "Heartland's strategy seemed to be
> to throw many theories at the wall and see what stuck." A who's who of
> fossil fuel industry supporters and anti-science shills variously
> argued that global warming is a myth; that it's happening but natural
> -- a result of the sun or "Pacific Decadal Oscillation"; that it's
> happening but we shouldn't worry about it; or that global cooling is
> the real problem.
>
> The only common thread, Bloomberg reported, was the preponderance of
> attacks on and jokes about Al Gore: "It rarely took more than a minute
> or two before one punctuated the swirl of opaque and occasionally
> conflicting scientific theories."
>
> Personal attacks are common among deniers. Their lies are continually
> debunked, leaving them with no rational challenge to overwhelming
> scientific evidence that the world is warming and that humans are
> largely responsible. Comments under my columns about global
> warming include endless repetition of falsehoods like "there's been no
> warming for 18 years", "it's the sun", and references to "communist
> misanthropes", "libtard warmers", alarmists and worse...
>
> Far worse. Katharine Hayhoe, director of Texas Tech's Climate Science
> Center and an evangelical Christian, had her email inbox flooded
> with hate mail and threats after conservative pundit Rush Limbaugh
> denounced her, and right-wing blogger Mark Morano published her email
> address. "I got an email the other day so obscene I had to file a
> police report," Hayhoe said in an interview on the Responding to
> Climate Change website. "They mentioned my child. It had all kinds of
> sexual perversions in it -- it just makes your skin crawl."
>
> One email chastised her for taking "a man's job" and called for her
> public execution, finishing with, "If you have a child, then women in
> the future will be even more leery of lying to get ahead, when they see
> your baby crying next to the basket next to the guillotine."
>
> Many attacks came from fellow Christians unable to accept that humans
> can affect "God's creation". That's a belief held even by a few
> well-known scientists and others held up as climate experts, including
> Roy Spencer, David Legates and Canadian economist Ross McKitrick.
> They've signed the Cornwall Alliance's Evangelical Declaration on
> Global Warming, which says, "We believe Earth and its ecosystems --
> created by God's intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by
> His faithful providence -- are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and
> self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying
> His glory. Earth's climate system is no exception." This worldview
> predetermines their approach to the science.
>
> Lest you think nasty, irrational comments are exclusively from fringe
> elements, remember the gathering place for most deniers, the Heartland
> Institute, has compared those who accept the evidence for human-caused
> climate change to terrorists. Similar language was used to describe the
> U.S. Environmental Protection Agency in a full-page ad in USA Today
> and Politico from the Environmental Policy Alliance, a front group set
> up by PR firm Berman and Company, which has attacked environmentalists,
> labour-rights advocates, health organizations -- even Mothers Against
> Drunk Driving and the Humane Society -- on behalf of funders and
> clients including Monsanto, Wendy's and tobacco giant Phillip Morris.
> The terrorism meme was later picked up by Pennsylvania Republican
> congressman Mike Kelly.
>
> Fortunately, most people don't buy irrational attempts to disavow
> science. A Forum Research poll found 81 per cent of Canadians accept
> the reality of global warming, and 58 per cent agree it's mostly
> human-caused. An Ipsos MORI poll found that, although the U.S. has
> a higher number of climate change deniers than 20 countries surveyed,
> 54 per cent of Americans believe in human-caused climate change.
> (Research also shows climate change denial is most prevalent in
> English-speaking countries, especially in areas "served" by media
> outlets owned by Rupert Murdoch, who rejects climate science.)
>
> It's time to shift attention from those who sow doubt and confusion,
> either out of ignorance or misanthropic greed, to those who want to
> address a real, serious problem. The BBC has the right idea,
> instructing its reporters to improve accuracy by giving less air time
> to people with anti-science views, including climate change deniers.
>
> Solutions exist, but every delay makes them more difficult and costly.
--
"Poor Jesus, people always asking but nobody brings pliers
to pull out a few nails for him" -- Alissa Erin Holiday
Desertphile
Sep 12, 2014, 6:57:21 PM9/12/14
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On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 06:56:30 -0400, Wally W. <ww8...@aim.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 04:57:47 +0000 (UTC), R Kym Horsell <k...@kymhorsell.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > <http://www.desmogblog.com/2014/08/05/global-warming-deniers-grow-more-
> > desperate-day>
> >
> >
> > Global Warming Deniers Grow More Desperate By The Day
> >
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 04:57:47 +0000 (UTC), R Kym Horsell <k...@kymhorsell.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > <http://www.desmogblog.com/2014/08/05/global-warming-deniers-grow-more-
> > desperate-day>
> >
> >
> > Global Warming Deniers Grow More Desperate By The Day
> >
Feeling desperate, eh?
Desertphile
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