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Dallas
Avatar in 3D..
In the 50's they promised us flying cars, a cure for cancer and 3D movies.
When I walked out of the movie I thought, "Wow, they finally came through
with the 3D movies part." I thought it was pretty much flawless and mind
bending.
I asked my wife what she thought and she said, "Aw, it's just a gimmick."
This kinda floored me. I wondered how anyone couldn't be impressed with
the technology.
Opinions?
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Haven't seen it yet but I'm going to. Do they supply the glasses? Good
ones or the red/green ones?
I heard the camera was specially made for that film. This is good as the
film is making so much money I'll bet they pour a few more million in the
technology. Only going to get better I figure.
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Dallas
> Do they supply the glasses? Good
> ones or the red/green ones?
It's a whole new technology using circularly polarized light from digital
projectors. They give you polarized sunglasses thingies. When you see
stuff floating way out in front of the screen it'll freak you out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealD_Cinema
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Canuck
this. Looks stoopid, blue cartoony aliens?
I am a great SF fan but this looks gimmicky and I doubt there is anything
genuinely new in the plotline which for me is the most important aspect.
I have seen 3D movies in the distant past. Remember one of the Jason movies
in the 70's. Was crappy and stoopid then sitting there in crappy cheapo
glasses, cannot imagine it's anything better now.
I'll wait quite happily for it on TV.
Grumpy grumpy grumpy..........
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Tom Duhamel
Someone recently posted about a flying car (actually a car/aircraft
hybrid) which you can already pre-order. I thing however that the cool
flying cars will only be available in 2015 (remember Doc Brown and Marty
McFly?). As the the cure for cancer, it's not here yet, but there have
been a lot of progress in the field, many forms of cancer which where
lethal are now easily cured.
I will be going to see Avatar as soon as possible. In 3D of course. For
now, I'm at my second week in the big city (remember my post about a new
life which I posted December 18th or so), I'm still managing to get used
to the place, and since I'm still at the hotel I'm not totally in it
yet. Will already be better next week when I finally get a vehicule. So
for now I prefer to spend all my free time (and I don't have much)
relaxing at the hotel with the laptop and the HD TV on the wall. Will
probably try to spend an evening at the movies next week. There is one
advantage about being in the big city, I will be able to see the movie
in English -- In Sherbrooke most movies where available in both French
and English 15 years ago, but it has became difficult to find movies in
English over the years, I don't know why.
Tom :)
Dallas
> I am a great SF fan but this looks gimmicky and I doubt there is anything
> genuinely new in the plotline which for me is the most important aspect.
As far as the plot, yeah... James Cameron wrote it and it's predictable...
but so is a Die Hard movie... Hero gets in middle of a dastardly plot,
lots of people die, hero wins in the end.
It's the execution that can make a difference, and there's a lot of
flawless detail and creativity.
And no... this ain't your grandfather's 3D.
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I went and saw it with my daughter a couple of weeks ago. 3D was brilliant
(it uses polarised not red and green).
The graphics were incredible. It was hard to tell where real became CGI.
Pity Flight Sim will never attain these heights now.
cheers
Propwash
> As far as the plot, yeah... James Cameron wrote it and it's predictable...
>
> flawless detail and creativity.
>
> And no... this ain't your grandfather's 3D.
>
Have to agree with you, Dallas. I was blown away by the graphics!
Wife also talked me in to seeing the "Christmas Carol" in 3d. It was
good, but not as well done as Avatar. I'm sure not an expert on
movies, as I don't visit theaters that often. (The only other 3d
movie I've seen was "House of Wax" back in '53, lol.)
Wonder what kind of certificate you need to pilot one of them flying
lizards!! [:0)
Prop
John Ward
I've heard that women, and in particular, wives and girlfriends, are
never wrong, mate.
I've also heard that with some of them, the only reason they start a new
topic of conversation is so that they can have a new argument..
Which one floored you the most - Gregory's Spaghetti Sauce Spreadsheet,
or your wife's answer?? Now come on, mate, be honest with us. :-))
Regards,
John Ward
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It's making a big impression on some people.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.blues/index.html
Don
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I guess I am just getting too damn old.
There was a time in my life I would have probably really enjoyed a movie
like that. I remember when Star Wars hit the big screen for the first time,
I think it was 1977, I was awestruck. Went and saw it twice at the theatre.
I have seen previews of Avatar, and to me now it just looks dumb - I am sure
it is probably good, I just have no desire to view it.
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Walter Mitty II
wrote:
> I've heard that women, and in particular, wives and girlfriends, are
>never wrong, mate.
You have to rely on hearsay? ;-)
> I've also heard that with some of them, the only reason they start a new
>topic of conversation is so that they can have a new argument..
I've heard that said about me too. Does that mean I'm a woman?
Walt
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Dallas
> Do they supply the glasses? Good
> ones or the red/green ones?
It's a whole new technology using circularly polarized light from digital
Dallas
> Which one floored you the most - Gregory's Spaghetti Sauce Spreadsheet,
> or your wife's answer?? Now come on, mate, be honest with us. :-))
I'd have to say Gregory's Spaghetti Sauce Spreadsheet.
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robertva
(snipped earlier posts)
>
> It's making a big impression on some people.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.blues/index.html
As many tickets as it's been selling, the film has been making a BIG
impression on the producer's bank balances!
Dallas
> I remember when Star Wars hit the big screen for the first time,
> I think it was 1977, I was awestruck. Went and saw it twice at the theatre.
> I have seen previews of Avatar, and to me now it just looks dumb - I am sure
> it is probably good, I just have no desire to view it.
Bah Humbug?... come on Don... ya ain't that old!
Walking out of Avatar, the first Star Wars came to mind... I thought this
was pretty much as ground breaking as the first Star Wars. Without the 3D,
it's probably equal to Start Trek 2009.
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donbutts
> I guess I am just getting too damn old.
> There was a time in my life I would have probably really enjoyed a movie
> like that. I remember when Star Wars hit the big screen for the first
> time, I think it was 1977, I was awestruck. Went and saw it twice at the
> theatre.
> I have seen previews of Avatar, and to me now it just looks dumb - I am
> sure it is probably good, I just have no desire to view it.
> Don
Well we saw it last week and thoroughly enjoyed it although I'm not really
into Sci Fi. It had a good story where the hero changed sides and fought
the sick American mission to conquor and destroy some other being's very
sacred beautiful territory It had a nice romantic touch to it and the 3D
was just incredible. We were issued with substantial plastic framed
polarised glasses for $1.80 which we took home for next time.
Butts
NZ
Dallas
> It's making a big impression on some people.
> http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.blues/index.html
It's also making some people queasy:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/avatar-movie-making-viewers-nauseous/story?id=9370714
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Dallas
> I've heard that said about me too. Does that mean I'm a woman?
Na... just a pain in the ass.
:-P
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Dallas
> It had a good story where the hero changed sides and fought
Geez DB... **spoiler alert***!
:- )
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Dallas
> We were issued with substantial plastic framed
> polarised glasses for $1.80 which we took home for next time.
Up here they increased the ticket price a couple of bucks, then they had a
cardboard "return" slot for you to return your glasses....
Pinche cabrones.
I kept mine... both of them.
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donbutts
Oh well..... if some people are going to comment that from the trailers it
looked like a junk film and they wouldn't bother.... had to put them
right. :-)) but sorry bout dat.
Butts
NZ
Don
Ok I might be tempted. Not sure I can convince the wife to try it though...
:)
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donbutts
Polarised glassesshoudn't have that effect if the movie is sharp. The
red/cyan 3D will surely make you a little squeamish but not as bad as track
IR... hey back on topic.
I've just tacked together a 3D experimental movie using red / cyan and I was
quite dizzy after doing the editing.
Butts
NZ
TOCA
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Well, we've come a long way in the fight against cancer, heck even HIV is no
longer a sertain death sentence, the flying cars are still not quite here
yet, but in Japan they have hovering trains (Maglev), guess that'll have to
do for now :o/
3D movies however.........back in the days of red and green goggles they
were all B-movies spiced up with that fancy new technollogy to sell a few
tickets, even Jaws 3 had to be spiced up to get some one to watch it, from
what I've seen of Avatar it sadly looks like the tradition is kept alive.
Yes the tech part has improved a lot, but the movies are just about the same
as back then :o(
Ever been to an Imax theater? Now THAT's as real as being there, and they've
even started making 3D movies for those domed screens, sadly though most of
the films made for Imax are documentarys and rock concerts with U2 and the
Stones, but the docus are worth every cent and second spend. So far I have
watched 3 Imax films, one was made durring a Shuttle mission, and it was
really like being there, apart from the G-forces, the other two were on our
solar system and the effects were jaw droppingly stunning.
Tommy C, Denmark
Canuck
Irish Catholic.
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Canuck
only saw It's A Wonderful Life with Jimmy Stewart for the first time this
past Xmas.
Thinks ......... perhaps I'm a hermit.
lol
Gregory
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polynomial curvefit? { shrug } We had Rotini for dinner this evening
BTW.
As for movies, I haven't seen Avatar but the first two videos we rented
this year were so bad.... well we ejected them in the first 20 mins.
-G
boB-Copter6
Do ya have to give the glasses back???? I still have ours when we saw
the 3D Terminator short at Disney. Stuff was flying all around us. I'm
now going to go see it just for the effects.
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> sacred beautiful territory It had a nice romantic touch to it and the 3D
> was just incredible. We were issued with substantial plastic framed
> polarised glasses for $1.80 which we took home for next time.
>
> Butts
> NZ
>
>
>
Ahhh the answer. I'll stop looking for the disney glasses. Thanks.
Slap
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I'm sure Avatar is playing in Edmonton at an Imax theater. That's rhe one I
was planning on going to. I guess I better check...
Yep. No problem here...
http://www.google.ca/movies?hl=en&near=Edmonton&dq=avatar+imax&sort=1&mid=e8afce433dab3f5d&ei=ctJLS5zlI4fcNfP31f0M&sa=X&oi=showtimes&ct=movie-link&cd=1&ved=0CAkQwAMoAg
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Walter Mitty II
I could use some lube next time, if you prefer. ;-)
Dallas
> I could use some lube next time, if you prefer. ;-)
Yer a mench.
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Dallas
> We had Rotini for dinner this evening
> BTW.
You eat so many carbs from pasta I expect you to start speaking Italian any
minute now.
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shywon
flick.
And sigourney weaver has a funny line " Oh no, your not getting me
back into one of those"
shywon
Dallas
> Wifies bf before me was physically ill watching The Exorcist, but he was
> Irish Catholic.
You would think Protestant would be more affected.
:-/
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Iain Smith
> Thinks ......... perhaps I'm a hermit.
Isn't everyone who lives in Canada? :-) -> runs for cover
Iain
Rugby, UK
RandyL AT DOT
My wife and I saw Avatar when it first came out. I must say that it is the
most amazing thing that I have ever seen in a movie theater. Absolutely
jaw-dropping.
Randy L.
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Ian D
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I hope you're enjoying your "Canadian" winter. Not wanting
to be selfish, we decided to share some of our winter experience
with our snow and ice deprived friends.
Canuck
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>
> I hope you're enjoying your "Canadian" winter. Not wanting
> to be selfish, we decided to share some of our winter experience
> with our snow and ice deprived friends.
>
This year (so far) we have not had any on my side. Had plenty warm and wet
though. They closed Cypress Mountain to the public yesterday over concerns
for the snow. Headlines say they ain't panicking........... I think they
are panicking.
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100111/bc_rain_warning_100111/20100111/?hub=BritishColumbiaHome
For those wondering, Winter Olympics are 30 days away and we are running out
of snow.
Dallas
> I must say that it is the
> most amazing thing that I have ever seen in a movie theater.
Agreed... that's why I can't figure out why my wife thought, "whatever..."
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Tom Duhamel
I've heard they are moving the Winter Olympics to to Miami!
Walter Mitty II
mensch. geddit rigth! :-)
oi veh...
Toosmoky
>
> Avatar in 3D..
>
> In the 50's they promised us flying cars, a cure for cancer and 3D movies.
> When I walked out of the movie I thought, "Wow, they finally came through
> with the 3D movies part." I thought it was pretty much flawless and mind
> bending.
>
> I asked my wife what she thought and she said, "Aw, it's just a gimmick."
> This kinda floored me. I wondered how anyone couldn't be impressed with
> the technology.
>
> Opinions?
Where I work we have WDTV media players set up in most cases, through
projectors usually used for training. It's not unusual to see blokes
watching a 16:9 or wider format movie in a heavily squashed 4:3 format,
even though a button on the remote allows quick adjustment.
Most of them can't tell the difference between SD and HD. They don't
really care about all that "geeky stuff", they just want a big TV.
3D? Dunno. It's coming anyway, some will appreciate it, most won't care.
I'd probably go see Avatar myself if it weren't for the cliched, wholly
predictable and vomit-worthy storyline.
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Dallas
> mensch. geddit rigth! :-)
Sorry... I used the German version.
mench
A German word which, in Yiddish, means "a good person". A mench is a
particularly good person with the qualities one would hope for in a dear
friend or trusted colleague; a gentleman.
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Dallas
> It's not unusual to see blokes
> watching a 16:9 or wider format movie in a heavily squashed 4:3 format,
> even though a button on the remote allows quick adjustment.
A pet peeve of mine too... about half the people in the world have wide
TVs with the image squashed into fat people. All it would take is 3
minutes with the owners manual to fix it.
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Gregory
<Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> brought the following:
>
>Avatar in 3D..
>
>In the 50's they promised us flying cars, a cure for cancer and 3D movies.
>When I walked out of the movie I thought, "Wow, they finally came through
>with the 3D movies part." I thought it was pretty much flawless and mind
>bending.
>
>I asked my wife what she thought and she said, "Aw, it's just a gimmick."
>This kinda floored me. I wondered how anyone couldn't be impressed with
>the technology.
>
>Opinions?
If the cure for cancer were announced tomorrow 250,000 people would
be out of a job, probably more, and by the way it's a cancer industry.
There are no official cures for cancer.. only `treatments.�
Now for the movie Avatar. This evening we caught the end of a streaming
radio show where Carly Matrisciana was the guest. Here is a review of
Avatar on her site: http://carylmatrisciana.com/x2/content/view/148/1/
Figures that it's about Pantheism, a faith that equates God with Nature.
Do some other searches with these terms: "Avatar movie occult" and then
throw in: magical, mystical, kabbala, pagan etc.
-G
Walter Mitty II
Look up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensch
I think you'll find that the etymology of the word "mench" shows that
it is a bastardisation of the word "mensch". I win. :-)
Dallas
> I think you'll find that the etymology of the word "mench" shows that
> it is a bastardisation of the word "mensch". I win. :-)
I can't help it Valter Mitschki... I'm clearly not as Jewish as you are.
:- )
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Dallas
> Do some other searches with these terms: "Avatar movie occult" and then
> throw in: magical, mystical, kabbala, pagan etc.
Jebus Cristo... is there nothing in your world without conspiracy?
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Walter Mitty II
Au contraire, mon ami. I am not in the least Jewish. I am however
fluent in German and I know a German-derived word when I see one.
Many Yiddish words are German-derived.
Dallas
> fluent in German
I always considered you to be effluent in English.
:- )
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Walter Mitty II
Schei�e! :-)
Iain Smith
> I hope you're enjoying your "Canadian" winter. Not wanting
> to be selfish, we decided to share some of our winter experience
> with our snow and ice deprived friends.
>
It's been quite nostalgic actually - taken me back to my childhood when
most winters were like this. So, thanks! :-)
Iain
Rugby, UK
Gregory
<Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> brought the following:
>On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:25:05 -0500, Gregory wrote:
Incorrecto' senior.. a world agenda!!
I've found the original NY Times article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/21/opinion/21douthat1.html
We should not be so influenced or misled by the media, at least not
blindly. To find out what's behind this movie and the powerful message
it delivers see: Jan 12, 2010 broadcast at 3:00 -- Avatar & Twilight
http://www.soundwaves2000.com/radio_liberty/
Some of the teevee watchers may not be able to hear it through. It made
me cringe a few times. Also there are 3 - 4 min blocks of commercial ads
that can easily be fast-forwarded through. These are not necessarily my
views but do explain a lot about what's going on.
-G
Dallas
> Incorrecto' senior.. a world agenda!!
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/21/opinion/21douthat1.html
A world agenda? Na.. pantheism is our original lingering human believe
system on the decline since we began walking upright.
The new "world agendas" are Christianity and Islam.
How come you're not upset about those?
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Gregory
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>On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:21:04 -0500, Gregory wrote:
>
>> Incorrecto' senior.. a world agenda!!
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/21/opinion/21douthat1.html
>
>A world agenda? Na.. pantheism is our original lingering human believe
>system on the decline since we began walking upright.
Now you're going to start with the evolution thing? lol
>The new "world agendas" are Christianity and Islam.
>
>How come you're not upset about those?
According to some, the elite have fomented a war between 1 billion
Christians and 1 billion Muslims with the object of them fighting each
other in total exhaustion and ruination, the object being the collapse
of both. Enter the NWO and new world religion.
Albert Pike defined the WWIII scenario above a long time ago. You can
find a statue of Pike in Judicial Square in Washington D.C. Want to see
a photo of it?
-G
tell you what.. I'll email you the two docs on emergence of scientific
dictatorship so wife can read them over and discuss with you. :))
I tend to agree with her comments.
Toosmoky
> According to some, the elite have fomented a war between 1 billion
> Christians and 1 billion Muslims with the object of them fighting each
> other in total exhaustion and ruination, the object being the collapse
> of both.
Not necessary. Muslims believe that the Day of Resurrection will only
come when the Muslims make war against the Jews and kill them.
Slap
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> On 15/01/2010 1:55 AM, Gregory wrote:
>
>> According to some, the elite have fomented a war between 1 billion
>> Christians and 1 billion Muslims with the object of them fighting each
>> other in total exhaustion and ruination, the object being the collapse
>> of both.
>
> Not necessary. Muslims believe that the Day of Resurrection will only come
> when the Muslims make war against the Jews and kill them.
>
I must live under a rock. I thought that stuff ended in the 40's.
There appears to be a lot of bad people out there that just can't live and
let live.
Me I could care less what my neighbor does... well as long as there is no
bullets flying type of thing in my neighborhood. Has actually been that
way for the last 25 years or so. Last couple of months some cars been
broken into, - maybe things are changing.
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> According to some, the elite have fomented a war between 1 billion
> Christians and 1 billion Muslims
According to some, that was George W's plan for the Middle East to trigger
the End of Days.
It may have worked...
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Walter Mitty II
>On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 00:07:26 -0600, Dallas
><Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> brought the following:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:25:05 -0500, Gregory wrote:
>>
>>> Do some other searches with these terms: "Avatar movie occult" and
>>> then throw in: magical, mystical, kabbala, pagan etc.
>>
>>Jebus Cristo... is there nothing in your world without conspiracy?
>
>Incorrecto' senior.. a world agenda!!
>
>I've found the original NY Times article:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/21/opinion/21douthat1.html
I haven't seen the movie, but given what the NYT article says about
it, I could interpret the movie to be a futuristic projection of the
ongoing threat posed by capitalist imperialism (civilisation) towards
"primitive" people on THIS planet. Only in this case there's a happy
ending for the victims of rapacious, arrogant, imperial
"civilisation".
It's a classic "victory for the underdog" theme, but with the
interesting twist that this time the bad guys are in fact our own good
selves. I think it's this that strikes a chord with a growing number
of people who are realising that unfettered consumerism and the
globalised capitalism it has spawned will trash this planet and every
culture which gets in its way, leading them to empathise with the
Na�Vi.
Gregory, WE, the consumers, ARE the enablers of the conspirators.
donbutts
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I agree Walt. I felt that message was reflected in the film
Butts
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Walter Mitty II
Careful, Don, agreeing with me may be a shorcut to the asylum. ;-)
Gregory
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>On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:50:16 -0500, Gregory wrote:
>
>> We had Rotini for dinner this evening
>> BTW.
>
>You eat so many carbs from pasta I expect you to start speaking Italian any minute now.
Probably not.. all I know about Italian is o-a, a-o!
Here's another review of Avatar from Henry:
http://www.henrymakow.com/avatar_is_pagan_nature_worship.html
Got to hand it to him.. he sure can write. Check out all of his shocking
essays at: http://www.henrymakow.com/archives.html Wow!!
-G
Dallas
> Got to hand it to him.. he sure can write.
True.. I actually saved his article on my hard drive.
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donbutts
>>>
>>>
>>> Walt
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>>> email: waltK...@live.com
>>> (Replace "K5J4H3K" with "mitty")
>>
>>I agree Walt. I felt that message was reflected in the film
>
> Careful, Don, agreeing with me may be a shorcut to the asylum. ;-)
>
>
> Walt
> * * *
Well Walt, I'll let you harp on about capatalist imperialism etc.. :-)
but to quote the other section of your post:-
>> It's a classic "victory for the underdog" theme, but with the
>> interesting twist that this time the bad guys are in fact our own good
>> selves.
That's the message I got.
Butts
NZ