The Visine Mystique
Mildred Pierce
> Has anyone heard that putting a drop of Visine eye drops into an alcoholic
> beverage will knock someone out-being used as a rape drug? I overheard
some
> girls talking about this and was wondering if this could be true or if it
> is just an urban legend.
I don't know about that.. But it has been "common knowledge" in the pot
community that a few drops of visine in the piss test jar will cover up all
those violating THC particles.. Maybe its something about Visine.. I mean,
does anyone really know what is in that stuff?
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Kerro
>
> burnelj <bur...@wku.edu> wrote in message news:7o9i11$f41$1...@news.wku.edu...
> > Has anyone heard that putting a drop of Visine eye drops into an alcoholic
> > beverage will knock someone out-being used as a rape drug? I overheard
> some
> > girls talking about this and was wondering if this could be true or if it
> > is just an urban legend.
>
> I don't know about that.. But it has been "common knowledge" in the pot
> community that a few drops of visine in the piss test jar will cover up all
> those violating THC particles.. Maybe its something about Visine.. I mean,
> does anyone really know what is in that stuff?
I don't know about the "piss test jar" business, but I just happen to have some
Visine on me right now (I've recently suffered from eye-soreness). I'll mix it
with some alcohol and see what happens. Will report back.
--
Kerro <Mind you, I'm pretty well tanked already. It's Sunday....>
http://home.mira.net/~kerro/
Dutch Courage
>hpstr...@aol.commmissar (Dutch Courage) writes:
>
>> das...@nr.infi.net (Dan) writes:
>>
>> <snip description of prescription eye drops.>
>>
>> This part is certainly true
>
>Yes. The concentration listed on my little bottle is 1% atropine
>sulfate. It was enough so that about two drops a day kept my eye
>fully dilated for a month. Ugh.
>
Hmmm. I don't suppose you'd put a drop or two in a beer, drink it, and tell us
what happens?
"And that's why I drink.".
Jason Spaceman
putting a few drops, of the aforementioned Visine, in someone's drink
and it will give them the shits. Just sit back and watch them drink
and then run to the toilet. Not sure if this is true though, never
tried it. Usually Taco Bell gives me the shits though.
Ras Harpentuan
bottle of Visine handy for when they want a patron to leave. It has to be
the Visine that takes the 'red' out, it constricts the vessels in your
intestines I guess.
If "Kerro" meant 'mix it with alcohol' and drink it, we can see why they
have not reported back by now.
Jason Spaceman <I...@eat.spammers.for.breakfast> wrote in message
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Pat
I used to smoke pot all the time. We'd get all drunk and stoned but then
want to go get something to eat...didn't want the red eyes giving it
away, so we'd try visine...
We ususally wound up swallowing a couple of drops each time, cause we
were too intoxicated to aim properly...nothing ever happened. We had
never heard this UL so when some got into our mouthes we just didn't
care and swallowed it...
I swear to you it never did anything at all, except taste bad...
Kerro
>
> Are people not seeing my posts?
Nope. Maybe we should *all* be taking Visine.
You're probably right. I did put a couple of drops into a glass of white
wine. It did appear to have an effect though (and I *was* on the lookout
for a placebo effect): I seemed to get a slightly warm glow, as if I'd
had a small amount of Valium or a muscle-relaxant of some kind.
Unfortunately, because of the several gallons of wine and Strongbow I'd
already drank, the result would have to be described as "Inconclusive".
--
Kerro.
http://home.mira.net/~kerro/
Sir Barhen
>You're probably right. I did put a couple of drops into a glass of white
>wine. It did appear to have an effect though (and I *was* on the lookout
>for a placebo effect): I seemed to get a slightly warm glow, as if I'd
>had a small amount of Valium or a muscle-relaxant of some kind.
>
>Unfortunately, because of the several gallons of wine and Strongbow I'd
>already drank, the result would have to be described as "Inconclusive".
I was going to say, a warm glow and a tranquilizing effect is the usual result
of a couple of glasses of wine, Visined[1] or not.
[1] I think I just invented a word there.
Pat
Sounds like the alcohol is taking effect, not the visine. Either way as
long as you didn't pass out very shortly afterwards, fall into a coma,
or get immediate explosive diarrhea, you have proven that this UL is
false.
Whenever I consumed any, I never even felt a glow..but then again I was
usually pretty high...
Mike Sphar
following? Read the book:
>Pat wrote:
>> I used to smoke pot all the time. We'd get all drunk and stoned but then
>> want to go get something to eat...didn't want the red eyes giving it
>> away, so we'd try visine...
>> We ususally wound up swallowing a couple of drops each time, cause we
>> were too intoxicated to aim properly...nothing ever happened. We had
>> never heard this UL so when some got into our mouthes we just didn't
>> care and swallowed it...
>> I swear to you it never did anything at all, except taste bad...
>
>wine. It did appear to have an effect though (and I *was* on the lookout
>for a placebo effect): I seemed to get a slightly warm glow, as if I'd
>had a small amount of Valium or a muscle-relaxant of some kind.
Also, if my memory serves, excess liquid in the eyes will drain down the
back of the throat, so I would imagine that whether you "missed" or not
with the visine, you'd still swallow a small amount. In other words, just
about everyone who uses visine probably swallows some, though almost
certainly a much smaller amount than would be needed to knock someone out.
--
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In our business, the three kinds of lies are lies, damn lies,
and benchmarks. -- Jeremy Allison
Kerro
>
> Ya.."a slightly warm glow"
> Sounds like the alcohol is taking effect, not the visine.
No...different. Believe me, I know all the chemical glows.
Alcohol (in the quantity I'd polished off that afternoon) provides a
"groggier" feeling - not a "warm glow".
Either way as
> long as you didn't pass out very shortly afterwards, fall into a coma,
> or get immediate explosive diarrhea, you have proven that this UL is
> false.
I'd have to say it was Inconclusive. But I'm not going to try it again.
(It's really not far removed from sniffing glue, in terms of personal
behaviour.)
> Whenever I consumed any, I never even felt a glow..but then again I was
> usually pretty high...
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Kerro
>
> Did Ancient Astronauts named Kerro <ke...@mira.net> once write the
> following? Read the book:
> >Pat wrote:
> >> I used to smoke pot all the time. We'd get all drunk and stoned but then
> >> want to go get something to eat...didn't want the red eyes giving it
> >> away, so we'd try visine...
> >> We ususally wound up swallowing a couple of drops each time, cause we
> >> were too intoxicated to aim properly...nothing ever happened. We had
> >> never heard this UL so when some got into our mouthes we just didn't
> >> care and swallowed it...
> >> I swear to you it never did anything at all, except taste bad...
> >
> >You're probably right. I did put a couple of drops into a glass of white
> >wine. It did appear to have an effect though (and I *was* on the lookout
> >for a placebo effect): I seemed to get a slightly warm glow, as if I'd
> >had a small amount of Valium or a muscle-relaxant of some kind.
>
> Also, if my memory serves, excess liquid in the eyes will drain down the
> back of the throat, so I would imagine that whether you "missed" or not
> with the visine, you'd still swallow a small amount. In other words, just
> about everyone who uses visine probably swallows some, though almost
> certainly a much smaller amount than would be needed to knock someone out.
I thought about that - why doesn't it affect "respectable" users then?
Perhaps something in the Visine interacts with alcohol to produce a
certain type of chemical reaction. Anyway, I'll stick with the "Inconclusive"
result. Maybe somebody else can try it - without getting hammered on white
wine <hic...> beforehand...
--
Kerro.
http://home.mira.net/~kerro/
Paul Sweeeney
Kerro <ke...@mira.net> wrote
> I thought about that - why doesn't it affect "respectable" users then?
> Perhaps something in the Visine interacts with alcohol to produce a
> certain type of chemical reaction. Anyway, I'll stick with the
"Inconclusive"
> result. Maybe somebody else can try it - without getting hammered on white
> wine <hic...> beforehand...
Visine contains : Sodium chloride; boric acid; sodium borate; with
benzalkonium chloride 0.01% and edetate disodium 0.1% added as
preservatives; purified water as part of its formulation. The active
ingredient is oxymetazoline hydrochloride 0.025%. Ergo Visine L.R. is a
sterile, isotonic, buffered ophthalmic solution containing the
vasoconstrictor, oxymetazoline hydrochloride. Oxymetazoline exerts its
pressor effect as sympathomimetic alpha-agonist the same as the most famous
drug in this group ephedrine. As ephedrine is given in a vehicle containing
alcohol at a concentration 12%v/v as an antitussive and has been for years.
Therefore if there was any interaction with alcohol from this groups of
agonists it would have been picked up a long time previous. All of the non
actives are also extremely well characterised with no record of interaction
with alcohol. The probability of visine having any effect on alcohol
intoxication is minuscule, if anything vasoconstriction within the stomach
would retard the pharmcokinetics and delay the onset of the alcohol's
effect. Not saying it's a Placebo effect but... "alcoholic kind of mood
lose my clothes, lose my lube"
Paul "and if you doubt me you could ask a pharmacologist" Sweeney
sandra...@gmail.com
> Has anyone heard that putting a drop of Visine eye drops into an alcoholic
> beverage will knock someone out-being used as a rape drug? I overheard some
> girls talking about this and was wondering if this could be true or if it
> is just an urban legend.
>
Laura:
I am a victim of someone who put Visine in my wine and it caused me to pass out twice. The second time I fell into his rock garden and suffered a severe concussion. I also have incurred over $8000 in medical bills. He of course thought it was funny and did not every try to help me even after I fell the first time in his living room. However, he made one severe mistake...he dropped the empty bottle of Visine in my purse when I was passed out to..in his mind get rid of the evidence. I will be pressing criminal charges against him. Visine in alcohol is no joke..it will knock you out!!!
Sandra
Sandra Smith
> Has anyone heard that putting a drop of Visine eye drops into an alcoholic
> beverage will knock someone out-being used as a rape drug? I overheard some
> girls talking about this and was wondering if this could be true or if it
> is just an urban legend.
>
> LAURA
Charles Bishop
Care to share any details, such as the city and a police report?
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charles
David DeLaney
> On Wednesday, August 4, 1999 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-7, burnelj wrote:
>> Has anyone heard that putting a drop of Visine eye drops into an alcoholic
>> beverage will knock someone out-being used as a rape drug? I overheard some
>> girls talking about this and was wondering if this could be true or if it
>> is just an urban legend.
>>
>> LAURA
>
> I am a victim of someone who put Visine in my wine
> and it caused me to pass out twice.
older than you are, my dear. For shame!
Dave, tell LAURA i looooove her
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Thomas Prufer
wrote:
>It also appears to have caused you to follow up to a Usenet news post that is
>older than you are, my dear. For shame!
Naah.
LD50 of 5 ml/kg for rats.
Thomas Prufer
R H Draney
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> (pharmacists are not doctors, for anyone googling).
Then why did my niece get a special ceremony with a hood when she got her
degree?...r
Michael Kuettner
the hood had no eye-holes it certainly was).
Cheers,
Michael "is her name Voisin ?" Kuettner
Don Freeman
>
> Bullshit. Drinking visine is very bad, but it does not cause
> unconsciousness. Rectal bleeding, maybe. Violent vomiting? Probably.
> Hospitalization? Likely. Death? Possible.
>
> I've yet to see a doctor claim it is used as a date-rape drug. Based on
> the effects it has, it would not be a very good choice since it mostly
> causes vomiting.
> (pharmacists are not doctors, for anyone googling).
>
drink (non-alcoholic) would cause severe diarrhea. Never got close
enough to anyone I hated enough to try it on.
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<free...@cosmoslair.com> wrote:
>On 4/30/2015 9:36 AM, Lewis wrote:
>
>>
>> Bullshit. Drinking visine is very bad, but it does not cause
>> unconsciousness. Rectal bleeding, maybe. Violent vomiting? Probably.
>> Hospitalization? Likely. Death? Possible.
>>
>> I've yet to see a doctor claim it is used as a date-rape drug. Based on
>> the effects it has, it would not be a very good choice since it mostly
>> causes vomiting.
>>
>> (pharmacists are not doctors, for anyone googling).
>>
>
>There was a rumor back in the '70s that slipping Visine in someones
>drink (non-alcoholic) would cause severe diarrhea. Never got close
>enough to anyone I hated enough to try it on.
suffering waitress on tips so she gets even by spiking his drink with
Visine, purportedly to drive him away from the table and end his
winning streak. He died, though I think the Visine thing was
incidental.
Don Freeman
> In message <o2q4kah4ht5l475iu...@4ax.com>
> The Other Guy <Knews...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>>> Bullshit. Drinking visine is very bad, but it does not cause
>>> unconsciousness. Rectal bleeding, maybe. Violent vomiting? Probably.
>>> Hospitalization? Likely. Death? Possible.
>
>> would knock someone out.
>
> I have yet to see a credible source on that.
>
>
Then you haven't been looking very hard:
http://www.snopes.com/medical/myths/visine.asp
Don Freeman
> In message <55455b04$0$36572$742e...@news.sonic.net>
>> On 4/30/2015 9:36 AM, Lewis wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Bullshit. Drinking visine is very bad, but it does not cause
>>> unconsciousness. Rectal bleeding, maybe. Violent vomiting? Probably.
>>> Hospitalization? Likely. Death? Possible.
>>>
>>> I've yet to see a doctor claim it is used as a date-rape drug. Based on
>>> the effects it has, it would not be a very good choice since it mostly
>>> causes vomiting.
>>>
>>> (pharmacists are not doctors, for anyone googling).
>>>
>
>> There was a rumor back in the '70s that slipping Visine in someones
>> drink (non-alcoholic) would cause severe diarrhea. Never got close
>> enough to anyone I hated enough to try it on.
>
>
I think I need to stop with attempting humorous disingenuous postings.
Apparently I am not very good at it.
Don Freeman
> In message <5545ca11$0$36542$742e...@news.sonic.net>
>> On 5/2/2015 8:59 PM, Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <o2q4kah4ht5l475iu...@4ax.com>
>>> The Other Guy <Knews...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 16:36:16 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
>>>> <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Bullshit. Drinking visine is very bad, but it does not cause
>>>>> unconsciousness. Rectal bleeding, maybe. Violent vomiting? Probably.
>>>>> Hospitalization? Likely. Death? Possible.
>>>
>>>> It is HIGHLY likely that drinking Visine with alcohol
>>>> would knock someone out.
>>>
>>> I have yet to see a credible source on that.
>
>> Then you haven't been looking very hard:
>
>> http://www.snopes.com/medical/myths/visine.asp
>
>
>
> ...under the belief this would render the doomed man unconscious. (It
> actually caused him to vomit and suffer labored breathing.)
>
> "knock" doesn't appear at all, nor does "alcohol".
>
> Care to try again?
>
I'm sorry, that was a case of not keeping track of which reply was to
which earlier comment. I thought you were replying to:
"Bullshit. Drinking visine is very bad, but it does not cause
unconsciousness. Rectal bleeding, maybe. Violent vomiting? Probably.
Hospitalization? Likely. Death? Possible."
Instead of:
>>>> would knock someone out.
Don "maybe should go BACK to drinking" Freeman
smle...@gmail.com
> Has anyone heard that putting a drop of Visine eye drops into an alcoholic
> beverage will knock someone out-being used as a rape drug? I overheard some
> girls talking about this and was wondering if this could be true or if it
> is just an urban legend.
>
> LAURA
Don Freeman
> On Wednesday, August 4, 1999 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-7, burnelj wrote:
>> Has anyone heard that putting a drop of Visine eye drops into an
>
> I am a victim of someone who put Visine in my wine and it caused me
>
This is the third time this replay has been posted by "Sandra" and word
for word. Is this a bot that is triggered by both "Visine" and
"alcohol" being in the same post? If so, it makes me yearn for the days
of Serdar. At least it was somewhat entertaining.
("Days of Serdar" I gotta trademark that as my new band name.)
danny burstein
>This is the third time this replay has been posted by "Sandra" and word
>for word. Is this a bot that is triggered by both "Visine" and
>"alcohol" being in the same post? If so, it makes me yearn for the days
>of Serdar. At least it was somewhat entertaining.
a glass of alcohol in my hand...
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Don Freeman
> In <5547f3fb$0$36610$742e...@news.sonic.net> Don Freeman <free...@cosmoslair.com> writes:
>
>> This is the third time this replay has been posted by "Sandra" and word
>> for word. Is this a bot that is triggered by both "Visine" and
>> "alcohol" being in the same post? If so, it makes me yearn for the days
>> of Serdar. At least it was somewhat entertaining.
>
> Did he say "Visine"? Slowly I turn, step by step, with
> a glass of alcohol in my hand...
>
glass?
Lon
> In <5547f3fb$0$36610$742e...@news.sonic.net> Don Freeman <free...@cosmoslair.com> writes:
>
>> This is the third time this replay has been posted by "Sandra" and word
>> for word. Is this a bot that is triggered by both "Visine" and
>> "alcohol" being in the same post? If so, it makes me yearn for the days
>> of Serdar. At least it was somewhat entertaining.
>
> Did he say "Visine"? Slowly I turn, step by step, with
> a glass of alcohol in my hand...
>
>
name for a Visine and Vodka cocktail anyway?
Don Freeman
The Runnin' Rhino
Take eight parts pure Vodka. Temper with lime juice, a splash of
tonic, and a whole bottle of Visine.
There is also a Romanian drink called Visinata made from vodka and
visine, but the "visine' in the recipe is Romanian for sour cheeries.
David Scheidt
:> On 5/4/2015 4:42 PM, danny burstein wrote:
:>> In <5547f3fb$0$36610$742e...@news.sonic.net> Don Freeman
:>> <free...@cosmoslair.com> writes:
:>>
:>>> This is the third time this replay has been posted by "Sandra" and word
:>>> for word. Is this a bot that is triggered by both "Visine" and
:>>> "alcohol" being in the same post? If so, it makes me yearn for the days
:>>> of Serdar. At least it was somewhat entertaining.
:>>
:>> Did he say "Visine"? Slowly I turn, step by step, with
:>> a glass of alcohol in my hand...
:>>
:>>
:>
:>
:> I forgot [age sucks but beats the alternative]. What is the bartender
:> name for a Visine and Vodka cocktail anyway?
:>
:I found this:
:The Runnin' Rhino
: Take eight parts pure Vodka. Temper with lime juice, a splash of
:tonic, and a whole bottle of Visine.
:There is also a Romanian drink called Visinata made from vodka and
:visine, but the "visine' in the recipe is Romanian for sour cheeries.
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> > I have yet to see a credible source on that.
>
> Then you haven't been looking very hard:
>
> http://www.snopes.com/medical/myths/visine.asp
My list of felons I have known is surprisingly long. And some of you, here, may well belong on it.
E. H.
Charles Bishop
--
Charles, Western style
Sir Barhen
>I really doubt it..
>I've accidently swallowed decent amounts...
>You see to get rid of the red eyes you get when you smoke pot, a lot of stoners
>take a couple of drops of visine..the thing is though that while you're doing
>this you're STONED...so it's not always that easy..I'm sure there are hundreds
>of stoners who've swallowed visine while high...it does nothing..and I've often
>had a couple of beers before getting stoned..trust me it does nothing...
Also, Think about this: Since your eyes, ears and throat are all connected,
some Visine will go down your throat everytime you put them in, regardless of
how careful you are. If Visine was a powerful enough narcotic to cause
unconsciousness with a single drip, then don't you think there'd be an awful
lot of people passing out, from using it?
This UL registers very high on the gullible-moron-o-meter.
John S
drink, and acts in a provocative manner, she could easily take advantage of the
poor man. Many men worry about this, no man likes to be known as "easy".
burnelj wrote:
> Has anyone heard that putting a drop of Visine eye drops into an alcoholic
Lee Rudolph
>In article <7o9i11$f41$1...@news.wku.edu>, burnelj <bur...@wku.edu> wrote:
>>Has anyone heard that putting a drop of Visine eye drops into an alcoholic
>>beverage will knock someone out-being used as a rape drug?
...
>I think the original version of this myth was that bartenders "knew" that
>if you put Visine into the drink of an obnoxious patron it would make them
>go to sleep. That story has been discussed on the froup a number of times,
>you can see one thread from February '98 by searching the afu archives.
>Another version of the bartender story is that it gives the victim diarrhea.
>I don't recall ever hearing the Visine story conflated with the Roofie
>story, which is what the girls you overheard seem to have done.
There appears to be a long-simmering tradition of confused lore
about illicit additions to drinks. I refer the assembly to the
following quotation which I've posted here and there before.
And over all this the management stood watch with
apparent interest, waiting for the golden opportunity
of despoilment that in dozens of cases, they knew,
would come. If the sailors had swallowed enough
booze to make them unconscious or silly, the moment
for action had arrived.
For Albert, the heavy bartender, who had been
watching over the proceedings, argus-eyed, had the
love potion, the famous Marseilles knockout drop all
ready for the ``simps.'' A potion, filled with
cantharides or Spanish fly and for which the place
was renowned, made the sailors pliable and hopelessly
drunk. And then the moment for the grand finale,
that of ruthless despoilment had come. Good for
the girl, good for the pimp, good for the house.
For they split three ways.
--_Sinful Cities of the Western World_
(Chapter 5, "Marseilles--L'Aiglon L----,
White Slave Hunter"), by Hendrik de Leeuw
(Citadel Press, New York, 1934)
This is the only place I've ever seen cantharides conflated
with "knockout drops", but it makes a nice counterpoint to
the Visine/date-rape-drug conflation, don't you think?
Lee "pliable and hopeless" Rudolph
burnelj
Maggie Newman
I think the original version of this myth was that bartenders "knew" that
if you put Visine into the drink of an obnoxious patron it would make them
go to sleep. That story has been discussed on the froup a number of times,
you can see one thread from February '98 by searching the afu archives.
Another version of the bartender story is that it gives the victim diarrhea.
I don't recall ever hearing the Visine story conflated with the Roofie
story, which is what the girls you overheard seem to have done.
Maggie "Micky convergence" Newman
Pat
moron-o-meter...
Pat
I've accidently swallowed decent amounts...
You see to get rid of the red eyes you get when you smoke pot, a lot of stoners
take a couple of drops of visine..the thing is though that while you're doing
this you're STONED...so it's not always that easy..I'm sure there are hundreds
of stoners who've swallowed visine while high...it does nothing..and I've often
had a couple of beers before getting stoned..trust me it does nothing...
burnelj wrote:
> Has anyone heard that putting a drop of Visine eye drops into an alcoholic
> beverage will knock someone out-being used as a rape drug? I overheard some
> girls talking about this and was wondering if this could be true or if it
> is just an urban legend.
>
> LAURA
David H. Siegel
>
> Has anyone heard that putting a drop of Visine eye drops into an alcoholic
> beverage will knock someone out-being used as a rape drug? I overheard some
> girls talking about this and was wondering if this could be true or if it
> is just an urban legend.
>
> LAURA
I have not heard of this, but find it interesting. It has all the
distinguishing characteristics of a UL, and also contains the major
trope of "Common item has EVUL effects".
Someone participating in an "incorrect" activity (drinking with
unknowns), probably assumed to be a girl, is punished for her
naughtiness and incaution. The mechanism of the punishment is related to
a real problem of recent times, using a common item that has become
linked to another illegal/immoral/incorrect activity.
Just to rest your mind, no, Visine in alcohol can't knock you out. It,
and most other eyedrops are basically salt water. I use eyedrops so
frequently during the winter that I've more than once gotten some into
my mouth while drinking. I've never passed out and been raped, so I'd
say you're safe.
I'll keep my ears open for this when September rolls around.
--
David "Dry eyes" Siegel
dh...@columbia.edu
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"All tautologies are true."-David Kagan
Brian Sefton
'mickey', but in the version I heard it causes diarrea which to the
victim seems like flatulence. When a silent release is attempted a much
larger payoff than expected results.
I recall the only response being Lon Stowell suggesting that I drink
some to test the validity.
Curtis Tack
>
> Has anyone heard that putting a drop of Visine eye drops into an alcoholic
> beverage will knock someone out-being used as a rape drug? I overheard some
> girls talking about this and was wondering if this could be true or if it
> is just an urban legend.
>
Ho Hum - raped again.
minmei
GHB, Roofie's ground up and mixed with water, what-ever. It might have come
from a realish incident and got garbled in transmission.
minmei
burnelj <bur...@wku.edu> wrote in message news:7o9i11$f41$1...@news.wku.edu...
> Has anyone heard that putting a drop of Visine eye drops into an alcoholic
> beverage will knock someone out-being used as a rape drug? I overheard
some
> girls talking about this and was wondering if this could be true or if it
> is just an urban legend.
>
> LAURA
>
Pat
Dutch Courage
>The story you relate has mutated only slightly from reality. The
>eye drops used as a knock-out drop in a drink are not the common
>Visine, but rather the pupil-dilating drops used by opthalmologists
>to facilitate eye exams. These are rather potent and concentrated
>solutions of drugs related to the belladona alkaloids scopolomine
>and atropine. The high concentration is used for the local effect
>of paralyzing the little muscles that close up the eye opening in
>response to bright light, enabling the doc to look in and see the
>retina.
This part is certainly true
> They were never intended to be taken systemically, but only
>a couple of drops contains a substantial oral dose that can induce a
>rather long-lasting and not particularly pleasant state of delerium
>and dissociation.
It's this part I wonder about. At http://www.siu.edu/~ebl/leaflets/atropa.htm
I read:
"According to the U.S. Pharmacopoeia, "atropine is extremely poisonous."(2) It
is so potent that a dilution of only 1 part in 130,000 parts water is
sufficient to dilate the pupil of a cats eye."
And:
"After ingestion of this plant, humans experience rapid heart beat, fits of
laughter and inability to urinate.(8) The overdose level is only 600 mg taken
orally. Any level below this may also cause dilated pupils, dryness of the
mouth, nausea, vomiting, depression, increased heart rate, muscle failure,
delirium, exhaustion, hallucinations, general paralysis, coma and even death
due to respiratory failure. All of this may start to take effect within only a
half an hour after ingestion.(3) "
So it seems we could have our culprit. Hmm. I do wonder exactly how much you
need, and where I can get some, etc.
I also note:
"1) Others think that the famous Bacchanalian orgies in which women would tear
off their clothes, go into frenzied dances and literally throw themselves to
waiting men could not have been induced by alcohol alone, knowing that A.
belladona was present during their rituals"
" Go ahead and flame me, I don't care. I am an admitted
sexist. "
Dan
The story you relate has mutated only slightly from reality. The
eye drops used as a knock-out drop in a drink are not the common
Visine, but rather the pupil-dilating drops used by opthalmologists
to facilitate eye exams. These are rather potent and concentrated
solutions of drugs related to the belladona alkaloids scopolomine
and atropine. The high concentration is used for the local effect
of paralyzing the little muscles that close up the eye opening in
response to bright light, enabling the doc to look in and see the
a couple of drops contains a substantial oral dose that can induce a
rather long-lasting and not particularly pleasant state of delerium
and dissociation.
The problem first received attention several years ago not from
female date rapes, but rather from johns being rolled by prostitutes
or other male victims of women they thought they were picking up in
bars. Typically, the guy would remember going back to his hotel
room with the woman, having a drink, and waking up many [12+] hours
later without his wallet. A spate of these incidents occurred in
Bangkok, Thailand a few years ago as male tourists were knocked out
and rolled by girls they met in the go-go bars of Patpong Road and
similar-er-entertainment districts. It still happens all around the
world every now and then.
The drugs were fairly easy to obtain because patients are frequently
left waiting and unattended in the opthalmologist's chair until the
doctor arrives, with an unlocked drawer in the counter with a dozen
of the little bottles in it. They weren't well secured since they
weren't considered to be sceduled [abusable] drugs. When the word
got out, the female perpetrators or their male cohorts would make
appointments around town to steal the drugs. The eye docs are well
aware of this now, and attempts to palm the bottles nowadays would
result in serious consequences.
I have an academic paper or two on this subject, but they're at the
office. I believe the case reports I read were published in the
Journal of Forensic Sciences- perhaps 10 years ago.
Dan
Pat
unless of course marijuana conteracts the tranquilizer effect..which i seriously
doubt...
JB wrote:
> >>Has anyone heard that putting a drop of Visine eye drops into an alcoholic
> >> beverage will knock someone out-being used as a rape drug? I overheard
> some
> >> girls talking about this and was wondering if this could be true or if it
> >> is just an urban legend.
> >>
> >> LAURA
> >
> >
> >
>
> Don't know about rape, but my brother was a bartender and he was instructed
> to use the eyedrops to put down unruly patrons. He never did it, but was
> assured that it never misses.
JB
Bossman
Odd that they would go to that much trouble in Thailand. As recently as
the mid 90's it was possible to pick about any pharmacy and grab what
you want from the shelves. They 'had' very little in the way of drug
controls. Everything from antibiotics to the stronger barbiturates were
available without a script.
Since it is a 20--24 hour flight from/to the Midwest U.S. we would get
to 'sleep' on the flight with some pretty stiff stuff. Probably not
even prescribed in the use--- It would leave us in a 'near coma' state
for about 8-10 hours. The pharmacist just let us use the Physicians Desk
Reverence and we would prescribe ourselves.
This may be connected to the thread from last winter about the Tourist
Board issuing official warnings about accepting food or drink from
strangers and being drugged on trains and busses.
As for Patpong, except for AIDS (?!), I thought is was fairly legit.
Sick, but legit.
Michael
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>>
>. . . The pharmacist just let us use the Physicians Desk
>Reverence and we would prescribe ourselves.
>
I love it.
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> das...@nr.infi.net (Dan) writes:
>
> >The story you relate has mutated only slightly from reality. The
> >eye drops used as a knock-out drop in a drink are not the common
> >Visine, but rather the pupil-dilating drops used by opthalmologists
> >to facilitate eye exams. These are rather potent and concentrated
> >solutions of drugs related to the belladona alkaloids scopolomine
> >and atropine. The high concentration is used for the local effect
> >of paralyzing the little muscles that close up the eye opening in
> >response to bright light, enabling the doc to look in and see the
> >retina.
>
> This part is certainly true
Yes. The concentration listed on my little bottle is 1% atropine
sulfate. It was enough so that about two drops a day kept my eye
fully dilated for a month. Ugh.
> > They were never intended to be taken systemically, but only
> >a couple of drops contains a substantial oral dose that can induce a
> >rather long-lasting and not particularly pleasant state of delerium
> >and dissociation.
>
> It's this part I wonder about. At
> http://www.siu.edu/~ebl/leaflets/atropa.htm I read:
>
> "According to the U.S. Pharmacopoeia, "atropine is extremely
> poisonous."(2) It is so potent that a dilution of only 1 part in
> 130,000 parts water is sufficient to dilate the pupil of a cats
> eye."
Hmm. That's very odd. As I said, my eyedrops seem to be a much higher
ratio than that. But I'm not a cat, and I'm putting drops into the
tears in my eye, and I'm expecting it to stay dilated for a day.
> "After ingestion of this plant, humans experience rapid heart beat,
> fits of laughter and inability to urinate.(8) The overdose level is
> only 600 mg taken orally. Any level below this may also cause
> dilated pupils, dryness of the mouth, nausea, vomiting, depression,
> increased heart rate, muscle failure, delirium, exhaustion,
> hallucinations, general paralysis, coma and even death due to
> respiratory failure. All of this may start to take effect within
> only a half an hour after ingestion.(3) "
A drop is about a tenth of a milliliter, and at 1%, that's about 1 mg.
So these particular drops are way below the danger level (as they
should be) for one drop. (You did say milligrams, right?) My whole
bottle, when full, was 5 mL, so that's roughly 50 mg total. Still
reassuringly far from the overdose level (not that I don't trust my
housemates...) So it seems that to make this work, you might need a
higher concentration I got, which is what the eye doctor also used.
> So it seems we could have our culprit. Hmm. I do wonder exactly how much you
> need, and where I can get some, etc.
You wouldn't like my method. Get kicked in the face, with the big toe
bouncing off the cheekbone into the eye socket. (When washing my face
immediately, the eye didn't feel round, but lumpy under the eyelid).
Get hauled off to hospital and x-rayed for concussion, then sent home.
Go to eye doctor early next morning. Eye doctor dilates both eyes
with atropine for comparative examination, then prescribes three days
of absolute bed rest lest the retina tear loose. Also prescribes a
month treatment of the affected eye with atropine sulfate to try to
immobilize the eye while the tear in the retina heals. Then stagger
home in the bright morning sunight with both eyes dilated. (I should
have called a cab...) On the bright side, the bruising was mostly
gone by the time I went out in public again, and I could just turn out
all the lights in my office and work by monitor-light. But I was
basically nocturnal for a month. But the eye works fine now, with the
exception of a new floater I haven't learned to ignore yet. Well, it
works as well as the other, uninjured one does; I still need thick
glasses, alas.
As for dosing yourself with the stuff for fun, it's not recommended.
Even hyperreal, which generally looks for both good and bad features
of any drug, recommends against it. See
http://www.hyperreal.org/drugs/natural/datura.info
Andrew "martial arts are fun" Archibald
Larry Palletti
<all...@hedgehog.dyn.ez-ip.net> wrote:
(snip details of effects of atropine)
>
>As for dosing yourself with the stuff for fun, it's not recommended.
>Even hyperreal, which generally looks for both good and bad features
>of any drug, recommends against it. See
>http://www.hyperreal.org/drugs/natural/datura.info
>
Bad case at Camp Darby, Italy in 1964, when one of our US 8th Log
Command troops got himself drunk, then stupidly shot a dose of
atropine (a component of the protective mask kit, designed to be an
antidote to nerve gas poisoning) into his thigh. According to the
autopsy, the combination of alcohol and atropine put the lad into a
terminal funk. In his deep mental depression, he went on to commit
suicide in a most complex manner (involving hanging and carbon
monoxide poisoning).
Larry Palletti
East Point/Atlanta, Georgia
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Charles Bishop
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> http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/14644/1/Eye-Drops-in-Drink.html
Debunked previously. Pay no attention to the url
c
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> Has anyone heard that putting a drop of Visine eye drops into an alcoholic
> beverage will knock someone out-being used as a rape drug? I overheard some
> girls talking about this and was wondering if this could be true or if it
> is just an urban legend.
>
> LAURA
If you want someone dead then just wait, we all die.
I am not an attorney so my descriptions may be off on charges but they are close enough as charges against a person all hinge on the crime and what level of force or means of harm are used etc... (Meat is murder! WRONG. Murder is unlawful taking of HUMAN life. Taking of another human life is "homicide".)
Lewis
> On Wednesday, August 4, 1999 at 1:00:00 AM UTC-6, burnelj wrote:
>> Has anyone heard that putting a drop of Visine eye drops into an alcoholic
>> beverage will knock someone out-being used as a rape drug? I overheard some
>> girls talking about this and was wondering if this could be true or if it
>> is just an urban legend.
>>
>> LAURA
> Putting something, anything in someone's drink that is not intended
> for human consumption and to do so without their knowledge is
> attempted homicide.
Also, you are responding to a post over 16 years old.
However, Visine *is* dangerous, can cause death, and is a shitty
rape drug.
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Lewis
causes extreme vomiting and/or diarrhea, and can easily cause death.
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Visine and other eye drops contain Tetrahydrozoline.
Tetrahydrozoline is a form of a medicine called imidazoline, which is found in over-the-counter eye drops and nasal sprays. Tetrahydrozoline poisoning occurs when someone accidentally or intentionally swallows this product.
Symptoms may include:
Coma
Difficulty breathing or no breathing
Blurred vision
Blue lips and fingernails
Change in pupil size
Changes in blood pressure (high at first, low later)
Fast heartbeat
Headache
Irritability
Low body temperature
Nausea and vomiting
Nervousness
Seizures
Tremors (unintentional trembling)
DUMBASS!!
Andy
if you ingest it accidently.
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>Then you go to the Emergency Room RIGHT AWAY:)
>if you ingest it accidently.
Thomas "eyes full of tears" Prufer
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> Hopefully you have realized that you're a complete fucking
> idiot? Salt water?? Who the hell puts salt water in their eyes
> intentionally?
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> Has anyone heard that putting a drop of Visine eye drops into an alcoholic
> beverage will knock someone out-being used as a rape drug? I overheard some
> girls talking about this and was wondering if this could be true or if it
> is just an urban legend.
>
> LAURA
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