Richard
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so it deffinately needs to be revisited without the created editting.
VIc
Wow, what did they say instead of "nigga"? And how did they deal with the
few violent scenes?
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Vic <*No Spam* penw...@inxpress.net> wrote in article
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Interested to see what others in this group thought. Like or dislike
and why???
I enjoyed the film from beginning to end, didn't think it was too long,
didn't feel there were extraneous scenes which were too tedious to watch. The
plot followed itself-- it had continuity. Compared to Pulp Fiction which was
all over the place, this film is stable. It had almost all the elements of
Pulp Fiction without the chaos and craziness. Smartly done. Pam Grier, who
I didn't know before, came off as provocative and sexy but not slutty which I
favor. I'll look for her in other films now. I also liked the fact that
Tarantino portrays her as a sensuous and vital more mature woman. She's not
in her 20's yet she's very appealing. Tarantino chose Fonda to be the slutty
woman, wouldn't be a QT film without one, and Fonda held true to her
character. DeNiro cracked me up period! Jackson was "cool," reminiscent of
PF. In all Jackie Brown is a much more down-to-earth Tarantino film which
shows he has grown alot and has mastered his craft. I give it an 8-3/4!
Thanks I'm EZ
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I liked the film but found the use of focus to be very annoying. I was used to
the way Tarantino used deep focus in Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction. I
thought this was a sloppy aspect of the film. Otherwise the story was
interesting.
By the way, was it just me or did that hairdo make Samuel Jackson look really
ugly in certain lights?
I like directors who put a lot of themselves in the movie. That's why I've
always liked Quentin. I would have liked to see more of that in JB.
It's sad that lately QT hasn't been able to write such powerful dialogue
that we had the pleasure to listen in Reservoir Dogs.
Jackie Brown certainly had it's moments. There were great scenes like the
one were Jackson's character shoots De Niro's in the van. "You used to be
great".
And yes this film was overly long and seemed to go absolutely no where
at times and some scenes were just plain dry.
Performances i loved ?
Keaton
Grier
Jackson
sorry but DeNiro didn't do anything for me this time (he seemed more
like fancy background filler then someone that served a purpose)
P.S.
Is this the worst motion picture soundtrack ever ???
Just My Two Cents,
Arthur
: It's sad that lately QT hasn't been able to write such powerful dialogue
: that we had the pleasure to listen in Reservoir Dogs.
Personally I thought that the dialogue was much more powerful in
Jackie Brown than in QT's other film scripts. It is not, however, as
catchy, witty, cool, bright, original, or sparky. It's truer, however,
thanks to the fact that Robert Forester may be the first QT character who
feels *real* to me. That takes nothing away from any other character he
has ever written, many/most of whom are original, funky, or
nifty-neato-o. Max Cherry is real. I liked that. I like that the
relationship between Max and Jackie is human and un-cool. So figures I,
at least.
My opinion...
:-) Daniel
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> The actors were great, but I missed that "craziness" PF and RD had.
>
> I like directors who put a lot of themselves in the movie. That's why I've
> always liked Quentin. I would have liked to see more of that in JB.
>
> It's sad that lately QT hasn't been able to write such powerful dialogue
> that we had the pleasure to listen in Reservoir Dogs.
>
> Jackie Brown certainly had it's moments. There were great scenes like the
> one were Jackson's character shoots De Niro's in the van. "You used to be
> great".
Agree totally. It was a good movie, but def. lacked the power of RD or
PF. It just might be that QT needs to go in a totally different
direction.
I liked the scene where De Niro's character shoots Fonda's, but after a
few moments. I felt it was a "cheap thrills"-type scene.
It's a 2 & 1/2 star flick being compared to four stars like PF.
1. Long takes on characters talking, i.e. not a lot of distracting
cuts.
2. The infamous camera in the trunk angle, which in my opinion was
one of the many hilarious scenes.
3. The tracking shot where Jackson puts on his gloves and makes the
block to "let go" his employee (all done in one nice shot).
4. Camera tracking all through Melanies apartment as if it were
eavsdropping in on their conversations.
These are just a few.
This movie was a great piece of film making. Many scenes were timed
so great I had to rewatch them. Can't wait for my laserdisc to arrive
to check it out again.
My2cents
On 23 Aug 1998 22:03:18 GMT, d...@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Daniel J.
Fienberg) wrote:
>Eddie Wood (johnbrec...@hotmail.com) wrote:
>
>: It's sad that lately QT hasn't been able to write such powerful dialogue
>: that we had the pleasure to listen in Reservoir Dogs.
>
I agree. DeNiro's performance was fun but lacked any real meaning. It was just
DeNiro being stupid.
>P.S.
>Is this the worst motion picture soundtrack ever ???
Sorry, but that honor goes to Wag the Dog.
What was the use of focus you're talking about? What's deep focus? What about the
cinematographer?
Eddie Wood wrote:
> The actors were great, but I missed that "craziness" PF and RD had.
>
> I like directors who put a lot of themselves in the movie. That's why I've
> always liked Quentin. I would have liked to see more of that in JB.
>
> It's sad that lately QT hasn't been able to write such powerful dialogue
> that we had the pleasure to listen in Reservoir Dogs.
>
> Jackie Brown certainly had it's moments. There were great scenes like the
> one were Jackson's character shoots De Niro's in the van. "You used to be
> great".
If QT is writing Killshot I think there certainly will be craziness and the
dialogue you're looking for. Thats the one I want to see QT write/direct.
It's a wild story. And I want to see him play a small part in the movie
again.
Just because he gets her from behind doesn't mean he's going bullseye.
This is REALLY too fine a point to debate and has NOTHING to do with my
original post
Arthur :o)
Oh god yes !!
:o)
Arthur :o)
> Well, Jackie's now on video. Should start seeing more on this movie
> in here. Personally, I thought it was an excellent piece of film
> making. The dialog was great, not to mention camera shots, i.e.
> angles and tracking. Lotta "critics" with the exception of Roger
> Ebert said the move was too long and had to many dead scenes such as
> people being filmed driving. These shots were merely putting you
> there with the actor, getting into their thoughts and feelings. I
> thought the timeing was great.
>
> Interested to see what others in this group thought. Like or dislike
> and why???
It sucked because the third reel kept jumping around.
Actually, Quentin was sitting behind me when I saw it and right before it
started he raised a big fuss about how the third reel was screwy - then he
realized (and admitted) that "Well, actually, I'm probably the only person
who'll actually be bothered by it."
In truth, the film only noticably jumped maybe twice, and I enjoyed it,
largely since Q had also reminded us beforehand that he only had made two
other films so we had no business deciding what a Tarantino film "should
be". It was a trifle longish, though.
Funny, when me and my girlfriend have anal sex, we call it "What's in the
briefcase"...
When me and my girlfriend have anal sex it's called "when hell freezes
over" ...
Arthur :o)
why do we care?
-=WizKid=-
I didn't say you cared, i wasn't the one who started the discussion of
personal sex lives
Arthur :o)
I heard Monte Hellman is from a Movieline interview with Elmore Leonard,
and that QT's only directing.
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"God stopped the bullets, he changed Coke into Pepsi."
-Jules Winfield, Pulp Fiction
"Looks like we got us a Mexican Standoff."
-Mickey Knox, Natural Born Killers
"Okay ramblers, let's get ramblin'."
-Joe Cabot, Reservoir Dogs
>P.S.
>Is this the worst motion picture soundtrack ever ???
Naw. It's good, you gotta listen to it lots, though. It grows on you.
--
Rob Emes
The soundtrack is great. Full of soul. Tarantino can really put
together some gems for his movies. Just another one of his plethora
of talents.
No director in the world would direct a film without at least rewriting some
of the script.
~Brian
-Wiz
What does the um mean? Van Sant has said in interviews that the
script as it was given to him was the script he shot. Period.
-Daniel
I'm not gonna sound stupid by saying, "Jackie Brown is not better than
Reservoir Dogs." Instead, I will explain my argument.
Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction are not adaptions from books. Secondly,
Jackie Brown was made out of a diluted past. It was not made purely from
imagination - it was made from Tarantino's love of the 70s and 80s. It
featured the blaxploitation related to Foxy Brown, and was in itself a
Tarantino-remake of the aforementioned film.
That's what he meant. Van Sant didn't make any changes to the script so he
didn't have any input put into it. There's nothing wrong with that.
You haven't seen Foxy Brown have you?
Where'd you hear this? I have Gus Van Sant on tape saying he
didn't change the script. I'll take that over any source that you have.
Any day.
He made them write a scene where Chucky dies. He didn't write it himself. In
the end he agreed it wasn't good and dropped the idea.
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Just because you have the attention span of a three year-old child doesn't
mean it's that bad of a movie. lot's of good movies move slowly. Apocalypse
Now, for example, or A Clockwork Orange, or countless others...Even The usual
Suspects I thought was kinda boring. But, when you get to the end, you
appreciate the 2 hr wait. At the end of JB, I appreciated the 3 hr wait.
Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs ARE QT's style; Jackie Brown is neither more
mature or more conservative. It is a very good adaption, but the movie AND
the book are nowhere near QT's style, IMHO. If you think about it, where are
the hard-core hit men that are in all of QT's other movies? Nowhere. All you
got is a guy who is dissed up by his own ho (Melanie says, "He's the type of
man who whispers under his breath when he reads." What the hell kind of
awesome villain is this? No way, man. Vincent Vega and Mr. White are so much
more "familiar" and relatable than the enigmatic character of Ordell.
Tarantino seems to be going "down the hill" as well, if he will create
more Jackie Brown-ish type movies. He should change his style from his first
two films; it was near perfect. Jackie Brown didn't cause nearly half as
much contraversy, love, and hate as PF/RD... this is because the opinions
and quality of the movie are diluted by the fact that it is not out of QT's
mouth; it is out of Elmore Leonard's.
No, but he's right. Apocalypse Now and A Clockwork Orange had the genres and
diversities of their respective directors; Jackie Brown is the shit of
Tarantino's pile; he has directed three movies, and it is UNQUESTIONING that
JB is the shittiest one. Please don't tell me YOU thought it was his best,
because it wasn't. Besides, True Romance, even though it wasn't directed by
Tarantino, had that flavour to it, as well as beating the shit out of Jackie
Brown. Natural Born Killers, both the Tarantino unshot version and the
Oliver Stone version are total shit--both of them.
He doesn't have the "attention span of a three year old," he appreciates
good quality instead of low-grade shit.
Oh yeah? Then you're saying that fast-moving The Usual Suspects, Pulp
Fiction, The Wild Bunch, and others are not as good as Jackie Brown or equal
shitte?
dfenz wrote:
> Jackie Brown is the shit of
> Tarantino's pile; he has directed three movies, and it is UNQUESTIONING that
> JB is the shittiest one. Please don't tell me YOU thought it was his best,
> because it wasn't.
No, Pulp Fiction was his best, but IMO Jackie Brown is superior to Reservoir
Dogs.
In your opinion. Not in my opinion.
Agree with you there. Apocalypse Now is my fave Coppola (yes even more than the
Godfather) and possibly my fave 'Nam movie.
My fave Kubrick however would be Full Metal Jacket, second would be A.C.O. (FMJ
would be my second fave 'Nam movie)
Res Dogs would be my fave Tarantino
Jackie Brown is the shit of
>Tarantino's pile; he has directed three movies, and it is UNQUESTIONING that
>JB is the shittiest one. Please don't tell me YOU thought it was his best,
>because it wasn't. Besides, True Romance, even though it wasn't directed by
>Tarantino, had that flavour to it, as well as beating the shit out of Jackie
>Brown. Natural Born Killers, both the Tarantino unshot version and the
>Oliver Stone version are total shit--both of them.
I didn't think it was 'total' shit. It was a 'smart' movie, not necessarily a
good one. It was supposed to make you think about it, not like it.
Deadguy...
Poof
She's gone!!!!!!!
Wrong. The Vega Brothers will be completely Tarantino, and it literally WILL
be another Pulp Fiction (in that is is a prequel to PF and RD).Don't get
cocky if you have no evidence to back your staements up. IMHO adaptions from
books are a step down from original ideas, because they are not the
brainchild of the director/writer.
dfenz wrote:
> Wrong. The Vega Brothers will be completely Tarantino, and it literally WILL
> be another Pulp Fiction
WILL be? Tarantino has confirmed that he'll be making this movie has he?
> (in that is is a prequel to PF and RD).Don't get
> cocky if you have no evidence to back your staements up. IMHO adaptions from
> books are a step down from original ideas, because they are not the
> brainchild of the director/writer.
Adapting a novel is a helluva lot harder than writing an original screenplay.
Adaptations may not be totally original ideas, but they *are* in a lot of ways
the brainchild of the writer/director. It's their interpretation, and they bring
it to life their way. Have you read Rum Punch? Do you think anyone but Tarantino
would have adapted it the same way? What about The Shining? So different from
the book that the 2 can't even be compared, and that's all due to Stanley
Kubrick.
It is common for filmmakers to continue making the same type of movies, for
example Scorsese , Spielberg, De Palma, but at the same make better films
because of experience and maturity with the increase in the number of films.
I am not being cocky just making a observation based on experience and of
watching other film directors continue to make the same style of film while at
the same the films become better because of maturity as a filmmaker.
dfenz wrote:
> Wrong. The Vega Brothers will be completely Tarantino, and it literally WILL
> be another Pulp Fiction (in that is is a prequel to PF and RD).Don't get