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Byker
May 18, 2017, 5:33:55 PM5/18/17
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Why do they hate us? Jealousy, pure and simple...
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https://hbr.org/2013/01/envy-and-the-american-dream
http://thehill.com/opinion/op-ed/242409-americas-poor-are-better-off
http://www.timesunion.com/opinion/article/U-S-still-envy-of-the-world-1993656.php
http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2012/03/five-american-things-the-brits-secretly-envy
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/03/12/how-do-americans-stand-out-from-the-rest-of-the-world/
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https://hbr.org/2013/01/envy-and-the-american-dream
http://thehill.com/opinion/op-ed/242409-americas-poor-are-better-off
http://www.timesunion.com/opinion/article/U-S-still-envy-of-the-world-1993656.php
http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2012/03/five-american-things-the-brits-secretly-envy
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/03/12/how-do-americans-stand-out-from-the-rest-of-the-world/
T. anomalum
May 18, 2017, 9:00:42 PM5/18/17
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Just a reflux by Byker:
> Jealousy, pure and simple...
Thanks Putin for making the retards in septic Yankland run for the bunker!
Trump, the golden showered billionaire POTUS is a total embarrassment, as
expected!
The "Great American Dream" has been shown to be nothing but delusional
idol daydreaming pastime!
*7 Facts That Show the American Dream Is Dead*
"The key elements of the American dream are unreachable for all but the
wealthiest."
"http://www.alternet.org/economy/7-facts-show-american-dream-dead"
"A recent poll showed that more than half of all people in this country
don’t believe that the American dream is real. Fifty-nine percent of
those polled in June agreed that “the American dream has become
impossible for most people to achieve." More and more Americans believe
there is “not much opportunity” to get ahead.
The public has reached this conclusion for a very simple reason: It’s
true. The key elements of the American dream—a living wage, retirement
security, the opportunity for one's children to get ahead in life—are now
unreachable for all but the wealthiest among us. And it’s getting worse.
As inequality increases, the fundamental elements of the American dream
are becoming increasingly unaffordable for the majority.
Here are seven ways the American dream is dying.
1. Most people can’t get ahead financially.
If the American dream means a reasonable rate of income growth for
working people, most people can’t expect to achieve it.
As Ben Casselman observes at fivethirtyeight.com, the middle class hasn’t
seen its wage rise in 15 years. In fact, the percentage of middle-class
households in this nation is actually falling. Median household income
has fallen since the financial crisis of 2008, while income for the
wealthiest of Americans has actually risen.
Thomas Edsall wrote in the New York Timesthat “Not only has the wealth of
the very rich doubled since 2000, but corporate revenues are at record
levels.” Edsall also observed that, “In 2013, according to Goldman Sachs,
corporate profits rose five times faster than wages.”
2. The stay-at-home parent is a thing of the past.
There was a time when middle-class families could lead a comfortable
lifestyle on one person’s earnings. One parent could work while the other
stayed home with the kids.
Those days are gone. As Elizabeth Warren and co-author Amelia Warren
Tyagi
documented in their 2003 book, The Two-Income Trap, the increasing number
of two-earner families was matched by rising costs in a number of areas
such as education, home costs and transportation.
These cost increases, combined with wage stagnation, mean that families
are struggling to make ends meet—and that neither parent has the luxury
of staying home any longer. In fact, parenthood has become a financial
risk. Warren and Tyagi write that “Having a child is now the single best
predictor that a woman will end up in financial collapse.” This book was
written over a decade ago; things are even worse today.
3. The rich are more debt-free. Others have no choice.
Most Americans are falling behind anyway, as their salary fails to keep
up with their expenses. No wonder debt is on the rise. As Joshua Freedman
and Sherle R. Schwenninger observe in a paper for the New America
Foundation, “American households… have become dependent on debt to
maintain their standard of living in the face of stagnant wages.”
This “debt-dependent economy,” as Freedman and Schwenninger call it, has
negative implications for the nation as a whole. But individual families
are suffering too.
Rani Molla of the Wall Street Journal notes that “Over the past 20 years
the average increase in spending on some items has exceeded the growth of
incomes. The gap is especially poignant for those under 25 years old.”
There are increasingly two classes of Americans: Those who are taking on
additional debt, and the rich.
4. Student debt is crushing a generation of non-wealthy Americans.
Education for every American who wants to get ahead? Forget about it.
Nowadays you have to be rich to get a college education; that is, unless
you want to begin your career with a mountain of debt. Once you get out
of college, you’ll quickly discover that the gap between spending and
income is greatest for people under 25 years of age.
Education, as Forbescolumnist Steve Odland put it in 2012, is “the great
equalizer… the facilitator of the American dream.” But at that point
college costs had risen 500 percent since 1985, while the overall
consumer price index rose by 115 percent. As of 2013, tuition at a
private university was projected to cost nearly $130,000 on average over
four years, and that’s not counting food, lodging, books, or other
expenses.
Public colleges and universities have long been viewed as the get-ahead
option for all Americans, including the poorest among us. Not anymore.
The University of California was once considered a national model for
free, high-quality public education, but today tuition at UC Berkeley is
$12,972 per year. (It was tuition-free until Ronald Reagan became
governor.) Room and board is $14,414. The total cost of on-campus
attendance at Berkeley, including books and other items, is estimated to
be $32,168.
The California story has been repeated across the country, as state
cutbacks in the wake of the financial crisis caused the cost of public
higher education to soar by 15 percent in a two-year period. With a
median national household income of $51,000, even public colleges are
quickly becoming unaffordable
Sure, there are still some scholarships and grants available. But even as
college costs rise, the availability of those programs is falling,
leaving middle-class and lower-income students further in debt as out-of-
pocket costs rise.
5. Vacations aren’t for the likes of you anymore.
Think you’d like to have a nice vacation? Think again. According to a
2012 American Express survey, Americans who were planning vacations
expected to spend an average of $1,180 per person. That’s $4,720 for a
family of four. But then, why worry about paying for that vacation? If
you’re unemployed, you can’t afford it. And even if you have a job,
there’s a good chance you won’t get the time off anyway.
As the Center for Economic and Policy Research found in 2013, the United
States is the only advanced economy in the world that does not require
employers to offer paid vacations to their workers. The number of paid
holidays and vacation days received by the average worker in this country
(16) would not meet the statutory minimum requirements in 19 other
developed countries, according to the CEPR. Thirty-one percent of workers
in smaller businesses had no paid vacation days at all.
The CEPR also found that 14 percent of employees at larger corporations
also received no paid vacation days. Overall, roughly one in four working
Americans gets no vacation time at all.
Rep. Alan Grayson, who has introduced the Paid Vacation Act, correctly
notes that the average working American now spends 176 hours more per
year on the job than was the case in 1976.
Between the pressure to work more hours and the cost of vacation, even
people who do get vacation time—at least on paper—are hard-pressed to
take any time off. That’s why 175 million vacation days go unclaimed each
year.
6. Even with health insurance, medical care is increasingly unaffordable
for most people.
Medical care when you need it? That’s for the wealthy.
The Affordable Care Act was designed to increase the number of Americans
who are covered by health insurance. But health coverage in this country
is the worst of any highly developed nation—and that’s for people who
have health insurance.
Every year the Milliman actuarial firm analyzes the average costs of
medical care, including the household’s share of insurance premiums and
out-of-pocket costs, for a family of four with the kind of insurance that
is considered higher quality coverage in this country: a PPO plan which
allows them to use a wider range of healthcare providers.
Even as overall wealth in this country has shifted upward, away from
middle-class families, the cost of medical care is increasingly being
borne by the families themselves. As the Milliman study shows, the
employer-funded portion of healthcare costs has risen 52 percent since
2007, the first year of the recession. But household costs have risen by
a staggering 73 percent, or 8 percent per year, and now average $9,144.
In the same time period, Census Bureau figures show that median household
income has fallen 8 percent.
That means that household healthcare costs are skyrocketing even as
income falls dramatically.
The recent claims of “lowered healthcare costs” are misleading. While the
rate of increase is slowing down, healthcare costs are continuing to
increase. And the actual cost to working Americans is increasing even
faster, as corporations continue to maximize their record profits by
shifting healthcare costs onto consumers. This shift is expected to
accelerate as the result of a misguided provision in the Affordable Care
Act which will tax higher-cost plans.
According to an OECD survey, the number of Americans who report going
without needed healthcare in the past year because of cost was higher
than in 10 comparable countries. This was true for both lower-income and
higher-income Americans, suggesting that insured Americans are also
feeling the pinch when it comes to getting medical treatment.
As inequality worsens, wages continue to stagnate, and more healthcare
costs are placed on the backs of working families, more and more
Americans will find medical care unaffordable.
7. Americans can no longer look forward to a secure retirement.
Want to retire when you get older, as earlier generations did, and enjoy
a secure life after a lifetime of hard work? You’ll get to… if you’re
rich.
There was a time when most middle-class Americans could work until they
were 65 and then look forward to a financially secure retirement.
Corporate pensions guaranteed a minimum income for the remainder of their
life. Those pensions, coupled with Social Security income and a
lifetime’s savings, assured that these ordinary Americans could spend
their senior years in modest comfort.
No longer. As we have already seen, rising expenses means most Americans
are buried in debt rather than able to accumulate modest savings. That’s
the main reason why 20 percent of Americans who are nearing retirement
age haven’t saved for their post-working years.
Meanwhile, corporations are gutting these pension plans in favor of far
less general programs. The financial crisis of 2008, driven by the greed
of Wall Street one percenters, robbed most American household of their
primary assets. And right-wing “centrists” of both parties, not satisfied
with the rising retirement age which has already cut the program’s
benefits, continue to press for even deeper cuts to the program.
One group, Natixis Global Asset Management, ranks the United States 19th
among developed countries when it comes to retirement security. The
principal reasons the US ranks so poorly are 1) the weakness of our
pension programs; and 2) the stinginess of our healthcare system, which
even with Medicare for the elderly, is far weaker than that of nations
such as Austria.
Economists used to speak of retirement security as a three-legged stool.
Pensions were one leg of the stool, savings were another and Social
Security was the third. Today two legs of the stool have been shattered,
and anti-Social Security advocates are sawing away at the third.
Conclusion
Vacations; an education; staying home to raise your kids; a life without
crushing debt; seeing the doctor when you don’t feel well; a chance to
retire: one by one, these mainstays of middle-class life are disappearing
for most Americans. Until we demand political leadership that will do
something about it, they’re not coming back.
Can the American dream be restored? Yes, but it will take concerted
effort to address two underlying problems. First, we must end the
domination of our electoral process by wealthy and powerful elites. At
the same time, we must begin to address the problem of growing economic
inequality. Without a national movement to call for change, change simply
isn’t going to happen."
--
incinerating your arrogant ignorace
> Jealousy, pure and simple...
Thanks Putin for making the retards in septic Yankland run for the bunker!
Trump, the golden showered billionaire POTUS is a total embarrassment, as
expected!
The "Great American Dream" has been shown to be nothing but delusional
idol daydreaming pastime!
*7 Facts That Show the American Dream Is Dead*
"The key elements of the American dream are unreachable for all but the
wealthiest."
"http://www.alternet.org/economy/7-facts-show-american-dream-dead"
"A recent poll showed that more than half of all people in this country
don’t believe that the American dream is real. Fifty-nine percent of
those polled in June agreed that “the American dream has become
impossible for most people to achieve." More and more Americans believe
there is “not much opportunity” to get ahead.
The public has reached this conclusion for a very simple reason: It’s
true. The key elements of the American dream—a living wage, retirement
security, the opportunity for one's children to get ahead in life—are now
unreachable for all but the wealthiest among us. And it’s getting worse.
As inequality increases, the fundamental elements of the American dream
are becoming increasingly unaffordable for the majority.
Here are seven ways the American dream is dying.
1. Most people can’t get ahead financially.
If the American dream means a reasonable rate of income growth for
working people, most people can’t expect to achieve it.
As Ben Casselman observes at fivethirtyeight.com, the middle class hasn’t
seen its wage rise in 15 years. In fact, the percentage of middle-class
households in this nation is actually falling. Median household income
has fallen since the financial crisis of 2008, while income for the
wealthiest of Americans has actually risen.
Thomas Edsall wrote in the New York Timesthat “Not only has the wealth of
the very rich doubled since 2000, but corporate revenues are at record
levels.” Edsall also observed that, “In 2013, according to Goldman Sachs,
corporate profits rose five times faster than wages.”
2. The stay-at-home parent is a thing of the past.
There was a time when middle-class families could lead a comfortable
lifestyle on one person’s earnings. One parent could work while the other
stayed home with the kids.
Those days are gone. As Elizabeth Warren and co-author Amelia Warren
Tyagi
documented in their 2003 book, The Two-Income Trap, the increasing number
of two-earner families was matched by rising costs in a number of areas
such as education, home costs and transportation.
These cost increases, combined with wage stagnation, mean that families
are struggling to make ends meet—and that neither parent has the luxury
of staying home any longer. In fact, parenthood has become a financial
risk. Warren and Tyagi write that “Having a child is now the single best
predictor that a woman will end up in financial collapse.” This book was
written over a decade ago; things are even worse today.
3. The rich are more debt-free. Others have no choice.
Most Americans are falling behind anyway, as their salary fails to keep
up with their expenses. No wonder debt is on the rise. As Joshua Freedman
and Sherle R. Schwenninger observe in a paper for the New America
Foundation, “American households… have become dependent on debt to
maintain their standard of living in the face of stagnant wages.”
This “debt-dependent economy,” as Freedman and Schwenninger call it, has
negative implications for the nation as a whole. But individual families
are suffering too.
Rani Molla of the Wall Street Journal notes that “Over the past 20 years
the average increase in spending on some items has exceeded the growth of
incomes. The gap is especially poignant for those under 25 years old.”
There are increasingly two classes of Americans: Those who are taking on
additional debt, and the rich.
4. Student debt is crushing a generation of non-wealthy Americans.
Education for every American who wants to get ahead? Forget about it.
Nowadays you have to be rich to get a college education; that is, unless
you want to begin your career with a mountain of debt. Once you get out
of college, you’ll quickly discover that the gap between spending and
income is greatest for people under 25 years of age.
Education, as Forbescolumnist Steve Odland put it in 2012, is “the great
equalizer… the facilitator of the American dream.” But at that point
college costs had risen 500 percent since 1985, while the overall
consumer price index rose by 115 percent. As of 2013, tuition at a
private university was projected to cost nearly $130,000 on average over
four years, and that’s not counting food, lodging, books, or other
expenses.
Public colleges and universities have long been viewed as the get-ahead
option for all Americans, including the poorest among us. Not anymore.
The University of California was once considered a national model for
free, high-quality public education, but today tuition at UC Berkeley is
$12,972 per year. (It was tuition-free until Ronald Reagan became
governor.) Room and board is $14,414. The total cost of on-campus
attendance at Berkeley, including books and other items, is estimated to
be $32,168.
The California story has been repeated across the country, as state
cutbacks in the wake of the financial crisis caused the cost of public
higher education to soar by 15 percent in a two-year period. With a
median national household income of $51,000, even public colleges are
quickly becoming unaffordable
Sure, there are still some scholarships and grants available. But even as
college costs rise, the availability of those programs is falling,
leaving middle-class and lower-income students further in debt as out-of-
pocket costs rise.
5. Vacations aren’t for the likes of you anymore.
Think you’d like to have a nice vacation? Think again. According to a
2012 American Express survey, Americans who were planning vacations
expected to spend an average of $1,180 per person. That’s $4,720 for a
family of four. But then, why worry about paying for that vacation? If
you’re unemployed, you can’t afford it. And even if you have a job,
there’s a good chance you won’t get the time off anyway.
As the Center for Economic and Policy Research found in 2013, the United
States is the only advanced economy in the world that does not require
employers to offer paid vacations to their workers. The number of paid
holidays and vacation days received by the average worker in this country
(16) would not meet the statutory minimum requirements in 19 other
developed countries, according to the CEPR. Thirty-one percent of workers
in smaller businesses had no paid vacation days at all.
The CEPR also found that 14 percent of employees at larger corporations
also received no paid vacation days. Overall, roughly one in four working
Americans gets no vacation time at all.
Rep. Alan Grayson, who has introduced the Paid Vacation Act, correctly
notes that the average working American now spends 176 hours more per
year on the job than was the case in 1976.
Between the pressure to work more hours and the cost of vacation, even
people who do get vacation time—at least on paper—are hard-pressed to
take any time off. That’s why 175 million vacation days go unclaimed each
year.
6. Even with health insurance, medical care is increasingly unaffordable
for most people.
Medical care when you need it? That’s for the wealthy.
The Affordable Care Act was designed to increase the number of Americans
who are covered by health insurance. But health coverage in this country
is the worst of any highly developed nation—and that’s for people who
have health insurance.
Every year the Milliman actuarial firm analyzes the average costs of
medical care, including the household’s share of insurance premiums and
out-of-pocket costs, for a family of four with the kind of insurance that
is considered higher quality coverage in this country: a PPO plan which
allows them to use a wider range of healthcare providers.
Even as overall wealth in this country has shifted upward, away from
middle-class families, the cost of medical care is increasingly being
borne by the families themselves. As the Milliman study shows, the
employer-funded portion of healthcare costs has risen 52 percent since
2007, the first year of the recession. But household costs have risen by
a staggering 73 percent, or 8 percent per year, and now average $9,144.
In the same time period, Census Bureau figures show that median household
income has fallen 8 percent.
That means that household healthcare costs are skyrocketing even as
income falls dramatically.
The recent claims of “lowered healthcare costs” are misleading. While the
rate of increase is slowing down, healthcare costs are continuing to
increase. And the actual cost to working Americans is increasing even
faster, as corporations continue to maximize their record profits by
shifting healthcare costs onto consumers. This shift is expected to
accelerate as the result of a misguided provision in the Affordable Care
Act which will tax higher-cost plans.
According to an OECD survey, the number of Americans who report going
without needed healthcare in the past year because of cost was higher
than in 10 comparable countries. This was true for both lower-income and
higher-income Americans, suggesting that insured Americans are also
feeling the pinch when it comes to getting medical treatment.
As inequality worsens, wages continue to stagnate, and more healthcare
costs are placed on the backs of working families, more and more
Americans will find medical care unaffordable.
7. Americans can no longer look forward to a secure retirement.
Want to retire when you get older, as earlier generations did, and enjoy
a secure life after a lifetime of hard work? You’ll get to… if you’re
rich.
There was a time when most middle-class Americans could work until they
were 65 and then look forward to a financially secure retirement.
Corporate pensions guaranteed a minimum income for the remainder of their
life. Those pensions, coupled with Social Security income and a
lifetime’s savings, assured that these ordinary Americans could spend
their senior years in modest comfort.
No longer. As we have already seen, rising expenses means most Americans
are buried in debt rather than able to accumulate modest savings. That’s
the main reason why 20 percent of Americans who are nearing retirement
age haven’t saved for their post-working years.
Meanwhile, corporations are gutting these pension plans in favor of far
less general programs. The financial crisis of 2008, driven by the greed
of Wall Street one percenters, robbed most American household of their
primary assets. And right-wing “centrists” of both parties, not satisfied
with the rising retirement age which has already cut the program’s
benefits, continue to press for even deeper cuts to the program.
One group, Natixis Global Asset Management, ranks the United States 19th
among developed countries when it comes to retirement security. The
principal reasons the US ranks so poorly are 1) the weakness of our
pension programs; and 2) the stinginess of our healthcare system, which
even with Medicare for the elderly, is far weaker than that of nations
such as Austria.
Economists used to speak of retirement security as a three-legged stool.
Pensions were one leg of the stool, savings were another and Social
Security was the third. Today two legs of the stool have been shattered,
and anti-Social Security advocates are sawing away at the third.
Conclusion
Vacations; an education; staying home to raise your kids; a life without
crushing debt; seeing the doctor when you don’t feel well; a chance to
retire: one by one, these mainstays of middle-class life are disappearing
for most Americans. Until we demand political leadership that will do
something about it, they’re not coming back.
Can the American dream be restored? Yes, but it will take concerted
effort to address two underlying problems. First, we must end the
domination of our electoral process by wealthy and powerful elites. At
the same time, we must begin to address the problem of growing economic
inequality. Without a national movement to call for change, change simply
isn’t going to happen."
--
incinerating your arrogant ignorace
Gordon Levi
May 19, 2017, 2:58:04 AM5/19/17
to
country is? It could be a sign of falling confidence typified by the
need to make "America great _again_". However, as I remember it,
Americans have always trumpeted their country. It seems that they need
to keep telling themselves because they are not confident.
I have noticed a similar, fairly recent, trend in Australia which
makes me cringe.
Rudy Canoza
May 19, 2017, 3:02:12 AM5/19/17
to
- most Americans who have a pathological need to believe in the
greatness of the place are trying to convince themselves - trying, and
for the most part failing.
Petzl
May 19, 2017, 4:34:41 AM5/19/17
to
On Fri, 19 May 2017 00:02:11 -0700, Rudy Canoza <c...@philhendrie.con>
wrote:
So listen to President Trump he will make America great again!
Trump: America 'worships God, not government'
America's only legally defined God is the Christian God whose compound
redemptive name is Lord Jesus Christ,
--
Petzl
Only one turnout that matters and that was on election day and Trump won.
So all you lefties sucking on your sour grapes. all the snowflakes cry babies,
a lot of them in the media who have been sent insane by Trumps mere presence in Washington.
Well they can just sit back and lap it up ,
Because the Donald has won,
And why because he's going to drain the swamp,
he's going to get rid of all the self serving semi-corrupt mob in Washington
and give the American people a new direction on border protection,
on job creation, on foreign policy,
Trump stands for a non-interventionist foreign policy,
something the left have been calling for since Vietnam.
The truth is they can't see that because Trump has offended the cult of identity politics,
judging everyone by their race gender and sexuality.
Trump judges people on their character, their work ethic
and has a very good chance to make America great again.
wrote:
Trump: America 'worships God, not government'
America's only legally defined God is the Christian God whose compound
redemptive name is Lord Jesus Christ,
--
Petzl
Only one turnout that matters and that was on election day and Trump won.
So all you lefties sucking on your sour grapes. all the snowflakes cry babies,
a lot of them in the media who have been sent insane by Trumps mere presence in Washington.
Well they can just sit back and lap it up ,
Because the Donald has won,
And why because he's going to drain the swamp,
he's going to get rid of all the self serving semi-corrupt mob in Washington
and give the American people a new direction on border protection,
on job creation, on foreign policy,
Trump stands for a non-interventionist foreign policy,
something the left have been calling for since Vietnam.
The truth is they can't see that because Trump has offended the cult of identity politics,
judging everyone by their race gender and sexuality.
Trump judges people on their character, their work ethic
and has a very good chance to make America great again.
Ned Latham
May 19, 2017, 10:30:55 AM5/19/17
to
Gordon Levi, 93$ Moron, wrote:
Or that ugly little habit of installing puppet governments in "allied"
countries.
> So why do U.S. citizens keep needing to tell the world how great their
> country is?
----
and flunkies spouting that shit since the Menzies era at least.
> Byker wrote:
> >
> > Why do they hate us? Jealousy, pure and simple...
Don't forget that ugly little habit of raping other nation's exonomies.
> >
> > Why do they hate us? Jealousy, pure and simple...
Or that ugly little habit of installing puppet governments in "allied"
countries.
> So why do U.S. citizens keep needing to tell the world how great their
> country is?
> I have noticed a similar, fairly recent, trend in Australia which
> makes me cringe.
Nothing recent about it. The establishment and their have been tools
> makes me cringe.
and flunkies spouting that shit since the Menzies era at least.
Byker
May 19, 2017, 10:53:36 AM5/19/17
to
"T. anomalum" wrote in message news:abi5kq.r...@news.alt.net...
>
> The "Great American Dream" has been shown to be nothing but delusional
> idol daydreaming pastime!
Explain to us the "Russian Dream"...
> The "Great American Dream" has been shown to be nothing but delusional
> idol daydreaming pastime!
Gordon Levi
May 20, 2017, 1:09:18 AM5/20/17
to
himself with Australian flags like Abbott
<http://tinyurl.com/kh669y4>. Yobbo[e]s did not march in the streets
wearing Australian flags and cars were not decorated with Australian
flags.
Ned Latham
May 20, 2017, 10:04:40 AM5/20/17
to
Gordon Levi wrote in <r2jvhc12947v8683k...@4ax.com>:
> > flunkies have been spouting that shit since the Menzies era at
> Menzies certainly didn't surround
> himself with Australian flags like Abbott http://tinyurl.com/kh669y4>.
> Yobboes did not march in the streets wearing Australian flags and
present-day dumbed-down couch potato understands.
> Ned Latham <nedl...@woden.valhalla.oz> wrote:
>
> >Gordon Levi, 93$ Moron, wrote:
>
> > > So why do U.S. citizens keep needing to tell the world how great their
> > > country is?
> > ----
> > > I have noticed a similar, fairly recent, trend in Australia which
> > > makes me cringe.
> >
> > Nothing recent about it. The establishment and their tools and
>
> >Gordon Levi, 93$ Moron, wrote:
>
> > > So why do U.S. citizens keep needing to tell the world how great their
> > > country is?
> > ----
> > > I have noticed a similar, fairly recent, trend in Australia which
> > > makes me cringe.
> >
> > flunkies have been spouting that shit since the Menzies era at
> > least.
>
> That's not the way I remember it.
You've yet to show memory other than selective.
>
> That's not the way I remember it.
> Menzies certainly didn't surround
> himself with Australian flags like Abbott http://tinyurl.com/kh669y4>.
> cars were not decorated with Australian flags.
BFD. Jingoism isn't limited to the flashy displays that are all the
present-day dumbed-down couch potato understands.
Petzl
May 20, 2017, 10:44:22 AM5/20/17
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On Sat, 20 May 2017 06:51:57 +0000 (UTC), Ted
<sam.m....@gmail.com> wrote:
>Luke 21:23, Matthew 24:19, Mark 13:17
>"Woe to them that give suck in those days!"
"The Destruction of the Temple and Signs of the End Times"
--
Malcolm Turnbull, Donald Trump, and Vladimir Putin all die and go to hell.
While there, they spy a red phone and ask what the phone is for.
The devil tells them it is for calling back to Earth.
Putin calls Russia and talks for 5 minutes.
When he was finished the devil informs him that the cost is a million dollars, so Putin writes him a cheque..
Next Donald Trump calls the U.S. and talks for 30 minutes.
When he's finished the devil informs him that the cost is 6 million dollars, so Trump writes him a cheque.
Finally Malcolm Turnbull gets his turn and calls Australia for 4 hours.
When he's finished, the devil informed him that there would be no charge and feel free to call Australia anytime.
Putin and Trump go ballistic and ask the devil why Malcolm Turnbull got to call Australia free.
The devil replied, “Since Malcolm Turnbull became Prime Minister of Australia, the Country has gone to hell, so it's a local call."
<sam.m....@gmail.com> wrote:
>"Woe to them that give suck in those days!"
"The Destruction of the Temple and Signs of the End Times"
--
Malcolm Turnbull, Donald Trump, and Vladimir Putin all die and go to hell.
While there, they spy a red phone and ask what the phone is for.
The devil tells them it is for calling back to Earth.
Putin calls Russia and talks for 5 minutes.
When he was finished the devil informs him that the cost is a million dollars, so Putin writes him a cheque..
Next Donald Trump calls the U.S. and talks for 30 minutes.
When he's finished the devil informs him that the cost is 6 million dollars, so Trump writes him a cheque.
Finally Malcolm Turnbull gets his turn and calls Australia for 4 hours.
When he's finished, the devil informed him that there would be no charge and feel free to call Australia anytime.
Putin and Trump go ballistic and ask the devil why Malcolm Turnbull got to call Australia free.
The devil replied, “Since Malcolm Turnbull became Prime Minister of Australia, the Country has gone to hell, so it's a local call."
Checkmate, DoW #1
May 20, 2017, 10:55:14 AM5/20/17
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Byker
May 20, 2017, 12:22:02 PM5/20/17
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"Ned Latham" wrote in message
news:slrnoi0hsp.h...@woden.valhalla.oz...
>
> the peoples of the world hate the USA because of its bad behaviour.
They have to have SOMEONE to blame all their woes on. Check this out: "The
World Without Us." It's something of a sleeper:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_Without_US
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1223900/
It was released in 2008, before Obama's election.
Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py4jVOJDwXU
Full Feature: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEVqk-eAqy0
It's about what would happen if America returned to its pre-WWII
isolationism. Be sure to watch that segment about Iraq and the statement
that if the U.S. pulled it troops out, Iraq would descend into chaos. Guess
what Obama did in 2011? Turn on any news channel and you can see the result.
Also, another overlooked goodie: "The World Without America," a short (25
min.) documentary film by Russian director Joseph Goldman and IDD Studio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6dR8-0On4c
news:slrnoi0hsp.h...@woden.valhalla.oz...
>
> the peoples of the world hate the USA because of its bad behaviour.
They have to have SOMEONE to blame all their woes on. Check this out: "The
World Without Us." It's something of a sleeper:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_Without_US
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1223900/
It was released in 2008, before Obama's election.
Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py4jVOJDwXU
Full Feature: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEVqk-eAqy0
It's about what would happen if America returned to its pre-WWII
isolationism. Be sure to watch that segment about Iraq and the statement
that if the U.S. pulled it troops out, Iraq would descend into chaos. Guess
what Obama did in 2011? Turn on any news channel and you can see the result.
Also, another overlooked goodie: "The World Without America," a short (25
min.) documentary film by Russian director Joseph Goldman and IDD Studio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6dR8-0On4c
Byker
May 20, 2017, 12:43:38 PM5/20/17
to
"SBRadioactive" wrote in message
news:476a5b34-cf75-45f4...@googlegroups.com...
>
> One day "sheeple" shall awake
"I know what I am talking about when I am talking about the revolutions. The
people who read the books go to the people who can't read the books, the
poor people, and say, "We have to have a change." So, the poor people make
the change, ah? And then, the people who read the books, they all sit around
the big polished tables, and they talk and talk and talk and eat and eat and
eat, eh? But what has happened to the poor people? They're dead! That's your
revolution! Shhh... So, please, don't tell me about revolutions! And what
happens afterwards? The same fucking thing starts all over again!"
-- Rod Steiger in "A Fistful of Dynamite" http://tinyurl.com/k4g2bhp
news:476a5b34-cf75-45f4...@googlegroups.com...
>
> One day "sheeple" shall awake
"I know what I am talking about when I am talking about the revolutions. The
people who read the books go to the people who can't read the books, the
poor people, and say, "We have to have a change." So, the poor people make
the change, ah? And then, the people who read the books, they all sit around
the big polished tables, and they talk and talk and talk and eat and eat and
eat, eh? But what has happened to the poor people? They're dead! That's your
revolution! Shhh... So, please, don't tell me about revolutions! And what
happens afterwards? The same fucking thing starts all over again!"
-- Rod Steiger in "A Fistful of Dynamite" http://tinyurl.com/k4g2bhp
Colonel Edmund J. Burke
May 20, 2017, 12:49:26 PM5/20/17
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On 5/19/2017 11:51 PM, Ted wrote:
> Who is the envy of this world? Please step forward and be recognized.
Why, thank you Ted. I believe you are referring to me, Your Colonel.
And if I may, I would like to remind y'all it's Armed Forces Day, a day
to honor men who have served with valor their God and Country.
And to remember our fallen comrades. May they rest in peace eternal. Amen.
> Who is the envy of this world? Please step forward and be recognized.
Why, thank you Ted. I believe you are referring to me, Your Colonel.
And if I may, I would like to remind y'all it's Armed Forces Day, a day
to honor men who have served with valor their God and Country.
And to remember our fallen comrades. May they rest in peace eternal. Amen.
Ned Latham
May 20, 2017, 5:09:17 PM5/20/17
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Byker wrote:
world's woes.
> Check this out: "The World Without Us." It's something of a sleeper:
THat shit belongs in a what-if NG.
> Ned Latham wrote:
> >
> > the peoples of the world hate the USA because of its bad behaviour.
>
> They have to have SOMEONE to blame all their woes on.
You've got it arse about. That "someone" IS to blame for much of the
> >
> > the peoples of the world hate the USA because of its bad behaviour.
>
> They have to have SOMEONE to blame all their woes on.
world's woes.
> Check this out: "The World Without Us." It's something of a sleeper:
de chucka
May 20, 2017, 6:26:41 PM5/20/17
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On 20/05/2017 5:07 PM, Ted wrote:
> Australia has a flag?? Hmm ... lessee .... the Canadian flag is a maple
> leaf ... so the Australian flag must be a jar of vegemite, right?
Halal Vegemite at that
> leaf ... so the Australian flag must be a jar of vegemite, right?
Halal Vegemite at that
de chucka
May 20, 2017, 8:16:49 PM5/20/17
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On 21/05/2017 9:35 AM, Ted wrote:
> That went over my head, sorry. Are you saying there are a lot of Muslims in
> Australia?
>
You're on aus.politics where there has been a great debate if Vegemite
can be halal as it is made from left over brewer's yeast
> Australia?
>
You're on aus.politics where there has been a great debate if Vegemite
can be halal as it is made from left over brewer's yeast
Ted
May 20, 2017, 8:23:29 PM5/20/17
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--
It always ceases to amaze me how many people could care less.
Annona Muricata
May 20, 2017, 8:43:09 PM5/20/17
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After a laxative enema Byker relieved itself all over the keyboard:
> living under the heel of a Fuhrer...
Like Trump?
Never!
FOAD!
--
Resolving your mental constipation ASAP.
> living under the heel of a Fuhrer...
Like Trump?
Never!
FOAD!
--
Resolving your mental constipation ASAP.
First-Post
May 20, 2017, 8:50:06 PM5/20/17
to
It seems to be an acquired taste for everyone except Australians.
And I've met a few Aussies that didn't like it either.
But then everyone has at least one culturally unique food that other
folks wonder how the hell they manage to eat it.
Annona Muricata
May 20, 2017, 8:51:00 PM5/20/17
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After a laxative enema Byker relieved itself all over the keyboard:
> VIDEO:
No thanks. I prefer the big budget Hollywood versions of "Reds are the
horrible enemies of the Great, Just and Heavenly US of A".
God save his Majesty, Führer Trump, The Golden Showered One!
My-my. The fake news garbage generated by the US ultra right propaganda
machinery seems to be limitless!
And now fuck off for good!
Annona Muricata
May 20, 2017, 8:59:35 PM5/20/17
to
After a laxative enema Byker relieved itself all over the keyboard:
> The left never said shit ...
They did. Your ignorance is limitless.
But that is beside the point!
The SU and the Communist block is long dead and the current threat the
average punter around the globe experiences comes from the extreme right
which is the puppet of mostly US based multinationals, billionaires,
religious fundies of all denominations, and power crazed megalomaniacs.
Trump provides a nice demo for what sane people never want to see around
the Globe!
Annona Muricata
May 20, 2017, 9:06:39 PM5/20/17
to
After a laxative enema Byker relieved itself all over the keyboard:
> It's about what would happen if America returned to its pre-WWII
> isolationism.
Oh how nice that would be.
> isolationism.
No more US meddling in other states' politics. No more CIA incursions. No
more economic manipulations, no more US based multies, no more proxy wars
to promote the US superpower, no more TRUMP!
Bring it ON!
The sooner the better!
Siri Cruise
May 20, 2017, 10:01:53 PM5/20/17
to
In article <55WdnfJIRZL2Qb3E...@westnet.com.au>,
It's not fit for human consumption. That would make it halal.
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de chucka
May 20, 2017, 11:30:53 PM5/20/17
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Siri Cruise
May 21, 2017, 2:04:28 AM5/21/17
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Ted
May 21, 2017, 5:49:11 AM5/21/17
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My Australian friend alerted me up front that it's an acquired tasted, but
when I noticed how much he liked it, I decided to acquire the taste myself.
Now I'm never without a jar of it in the cupboard.
Alex W.
May 21, 2017, 7:07:50 PM5/21/17
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Marmite is the far superior product, you might want to be careful with
the "peasants" comments....
:-)
Sn!pe
May 21, 2017, 7:23:52 PM5/21/17
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Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
> > >> You're on aus.politics where there has been a great debate if
> > >> Vegemite can be halal as it is made from left over brewer's yeast
> > >
> > > It's not fit for human consumption. That would make it halal.
> >
> > Proving what peasants yanks are ;-)
>
> The peasants eat deepfried breaded oreos.
The Scots (who of course are not peasants)
deep fry many things, not least Mars Bars.
<http://tinyurl.com/mqa92o2>
<https://www.buzzfeed.com/hilarywardle/deep-fried-everything?utm_term=.hjyGVjXYw#.xorarm1Aj>
--
^Ï^. My pet rock Gordon just is.
[...]
> > >> You're on aus.politics where there has been a great debate if
> > >> Vegemite can be halal as it is made from left over brewer's yeast
> > >
> > > It's not fit for human consumption. That would make it halal.
> >
> > Proving what peasants yanks are ;-)
>
> The peasants eat deepfried breaded oreos.
deep fry many things, not least Mars Bars.
<http://tinyurl.com/mqa92o2>
<https://www.buzzfeed.com/hilarywardle/deep-fried-everything?utm_term=.hjyGVjXYw#.xorarm1Aj>
--
^Ï^. My pet rock Gordon just is.
de chucka
May 21, 2017, 7:33:41 PM5/21/17
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On 22/05/2017 9:23 AM, Sn!pe wrote:
> Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>>>> You're on aus.politics where there has been a great debate if
>>>>> Vegemite can be halal as it is made from left over brewer's yeast
>>>>
>>>> It's not fit for human consumption. That would make it halal.
>>>
>>> Proving what peasants yanks are ;-)
>>
>> The peasants eat deepfried breaded oreos.
>
> The Scots (who of course are not peasants)
> deep fry many things, not least Mars Bars.
and those imo are revolting but each to their own
> Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>>>> You're on aus.politics where there has been a great debate if
>>>>> Vegemite can be halal as it is made from left over brewer's yeast
>>>>
>>>> It's not fit for human consumption. That would make it halal.
>>>
>>> Proving what peasants yanks are ;-)
>>
>> The peasants eat deepfried breaded oreos.
>
> The Scots (who of course are not peasants)
> deep fry many things, not least Mars Bars.
Siri Cruise
May 21, 2017, 9:42:41 PM5/21/17
to
In article <1n6egy8.1rciuh81d2lddjN%snip...@gmail.com>,
snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
> Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > >> You're on aus.politics where there has been a great debate if
> > > >> Vegemite can be halal as it is made from left over brewer's yeast
> > > >
> > > > It's not fit for human consumption. That would make it halal.
> > >
> > > Proving what peasants yanks are ;-)
> >
> > The peasants eat deepfried breaded oreos.
>
> The Scots (who of course are not peasants)
> deep fry many things, not least Mars Bars.
But _breaded_ deep fry?
> Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > >> You're on aus.politics where there has been a great debate if
> > > >> Vegemite can be halal as it is made from left over brewer's yeast
> > > >
> > > > It's not fit for human consumption. That would make it halal.
> > >
> > > Proving what peasants yanks are ;-)
> >
> > The peasants eat deepfried breaded oreos.
>
> The Scots (who of course are not peasants)
> deep fry many things, not least Mars Bars.
Siri Cruise
May 21, 2017, 9:43:25 PM5/21/17
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Siri Cruise
May 21, 2017, 9:46:52 PM5/21/17
to
In article <eoeku3...@mid.individual.net>, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
Here at the Machiavelli Institute of Random Violence, we have replaced his
vegemite with rat poison. Let's see if he notices the difference.
wrote:
vegemite with rat poison. Let's see if he notices the difference.
SCO
May 21, 2017, 9:53:22 PM5/21/17
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Fran
May 22, 2017, 1:03:50 AM5/22/17
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On 20/05/2017 3:09 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
> Ned Latham <nedl...@woden.valhalla.oz> wrote:
>
>> Gordon Levi, 93$ Moron, wrote:
>
>>> So why do U.S. citizens keep needing to tell the world how great their
>>> country is?
>> ----
>>> I have noticed a similar, fairly recent, trend in Australia which
>>> makes me cringe.
>>
>> Nothing recent about it. The establishment and their have been tools
>> and flunkies spouting that shit since the Menzies era at least.
>
> That's not the way I remember it. Menzies certainly didn't surround
> himself with Australian flags like Abbott
> <http://tinyurl.com/kh669y4>. Yobbo[e]s did not march in the streets
> wearing Australian flags and cars were not decorated with Australian
> flags.
I agree with that memory of yours. The display of flags and the mawkish
> Ned Latham <nedl...@woden.valhalla.oz> wrote:
>
>> Gordon Levi, 93$ Moron, wrote:
>
>>> So why do U.S. citizens keep needing to tell the world how great their
>>> country is?
>> ----
>>> I have noticed a similar, fairly recent, trend in Australia which
>>> makes me cringe.
>>
>> Nothing recent about it. The establishment and their have been tools
>> and flunkies spouting that shit since the Menzies era at least.
>
> That's not the way I remember it. Menzies certainly didn't surround
> himself with Australian flags like Abbott
> <http://tinyurl.com/kh669y4>. Yobbo[e]s did not march in the streets
> wearing Australian flags and cars were not decorated with Australian
> flags.
pariotism that goes along with it is a very bogan thing and only come
into being in recent decades.
Gary Chamberlain
May 22, 2017, 1:05:48 AM5/22/17
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Fran
May 22, 2017, 1:09:02 AM5/22/17
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On 21/05/2017 12:01 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
Fran
May 22, 2017, 1:12:15 AM5/22/17
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and used as road base.
Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛
May 22, 2017, 1:36:42 AM5/22/17
to
On Mon, 22 May 2017 15:12:14 +1000, LO AND BEHOLD; "Fran
<franhatesn...@loonynutters.com>" determined that the following
was of great importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with
us in <oftrp1$4f0$1...@dont-email.me>:
uber-conservative dumbshits like Trump have half of our country convinced that universal health care would ruin their obese diabetic lives.
people who:
hate bicycles
hate muslims
hate gays
hate catholics
hate jews
hate LGBT folks
hate themselves
--
THIS SPACE FOR RENT
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"You just made puppy whistle's sig line longer." - Janithor
-
"If I have a complaint about the (Southern Poverty) Law Center's description (of the alt-right movement), it is the phrase "heavy use of social media," which implies the alt-right is a real-world movement which uses a lot of social media. This is backwards: it is an online movement which occasionally appears in the real world. Where it gets punched." - Jason Rhode
-
"I think we should destroy every last fucking mosque in America." - "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic...@The.Edge> proves for us that white males are violent in Message-ID: <MPG.32c5bfef...@news.altopia.com>
-
Golden Killfile, June 2005
KOTM, November 2006
Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, November 2006
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Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007
Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006
Busted Urinal Award, April 2007
Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008
Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007
AUK Mascot, September 2007
Putting the Awards Out of Order to Screw With the OCD Fuckheads, March 2016
<franhatesn...@loonynutters.com>" determined that the following
was of great importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with
us in <oftrp1$4f0$1...@dont-email.me>:
people who:
hate bicycles
hate muslims
hate gays
hate catholics
hate jews
hate LGBT folks
hate themselves
--
THIS SPACE FOR RENT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB6B8jGSdLA
-
"You just made puppy whistle's sig line longer." - Janithor
-
"If I have a complaint about the (Southern Poverty) Law Center's description (of the alt-right movement), it is the phrase "heavy use of social media," which implies the alt-right is a real-world movement which uses a lot of social media. This is backwards: it is an online movement which occasionally appears in the real world. Where it gets punched." - Jason Rhode
-
"I think we should destroy every last fucking mosque in America." - "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic...@The.Edge> proves for us that white males are violent in Message-ID: <MPG.32c5bfef...@news.altopia.com>
-
Golden Killfile, June 2005
KOTM, November 2006
Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007
Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006
Busted Urinal Award, April 2007
Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008
Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007
AUK Mascot, September 2007
Putting the Awards Out of Order to Screw With the OCD Fuckheads, March 2016
Fran
May 22, 2017, 1:59:14 AM5/22/17
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Our flag was adopted in 1903. You're also innumerate.
de chucka
May 22, 2017, 2:15:20 AM5/22/17
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and it was only post WW2 it became the Australian Official flag
Gordon Levi
May 22, 2017, 2:35:37 AM5/22/17
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Centuries ago carrying the flag, usually a personal crest, was a
symbol of wealth and power. A person flying, let alone carrying,
anything but a miniature national flag must be fairly recent.
Sn!pe
May 22, 2017, 3:22:45 PM5/22/17
to
Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <1n6egy8.1rciuh81d2lddjN%snip...@gmail.com>,
> snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>
> > Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > > >> You're on aus.politics where there has been a great debate if
> > > > >> Vegemite can be halal as it is made from left over brewer's yeast
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not fit for human consumption. That would make it halal.
> > > >
> > > > Proving what peasants yanks are ;-)
> > >
> > > The peasants eat deepfried breaded oreos.
> >
> > The Scots (who of course are not peasants)
> > deep fry many things, not least Mars Bars.
>
> But _breaded_ deep fry?
Assaulted and battered.
> In article <1n6egy8.1rciuh81d2lddjN%snip...@gmail.com>,
> snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>
> > Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > > >> You're on aus.politics where there has been a great debate if
> > > > >> Vegemite can be halal as it is made from left over brewer's yeast
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not fit for human consumption. That would make it halal.
> > > >
> > > > Proving what peasants yanks are ;-)
> > >
> > > The peasants eat deepfried breaded oreos.
> >
> > The Scots (who of course are not peasants)
> > deep fry many things, not least Mars Bars.
>
> But _breaded_ deep fry?
Fran
May 22, 2017, 9:06:19 PM5/22/17
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pointed Federation star. However, regardless of which of us is 5 years
out, it's not centuries of use.
> and it was only post WW2 it became the Australian Official flag
Fran
May 22, 2017, 9:07:28 PM5/22/17
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contact fighting.
Siri Cruise
May 22, 2017, 9:07:40 PM5/22/17
to
In article <1n6g0kw.9695by15xnilyN%snip...@gmail.com>,
Deep fried!
snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
> Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <1n6egy8.1rciuh81d2lddjN%snip...@gmail.com>,
> > snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
> >
> > > Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > > >> You're on aus.politics where there has been a great debate if
> > > > > >> Vegemite can be halal as it is made from left over brewer's yeast
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's not fit for human consumption. That would make it halal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Proving what peasants yanks are ;-)
> > > >
> > > > The peasants eat deepfried breaded oreos.
> > >
> > > The Scots (who of course are not peasants)
> > > deep fry many things, not least Mars Bars.
> >
> > But _breaded_ deep fry?
>
> Assaulted and battered.
Hey, kids, veggie roll!
> Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <1n6egy8.1rciuh81d2lddjN%snip...@gmail.com>,
> > snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
> >
> > > Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > > >> You're on aus.politics where there has been a great debate if
> > > > > >> Vegemite can be halal as it is made from left over brewer's yeast
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's not fit for human consumption. That would make it halal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Proving what peasants yanks are ;-)
> > > >
> > > > The peasants eat deepfried breaded oreos.
> > >
> > > The Scots (who of course are not peasants)
> > > deep fry many things, not least Mars Bars.
> >
> > But _breaded_ deep fry?
>
> Assaulted and battered.
Deep fried!
de chucka
May 22, 2017, 9:19:28 PM5/22/17
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Island. Most people said 1901 for our current flag, I being a smarty
said 1903 but was also wrong
From wiki
The flag's original design (with a six-pointed Commonwealth Star) was
chosen in 1901 from entries in a competition held following Federation,
and was first flown in Melbourne on 3 September 1901,[2] the date
proclaimed as Australian National Flag Day.[3] A slightly different
design was approved by King Edward VII in 1903. The seven-pointed
commonwealth star version was introduced by a proclamation dated 23
February 1908
Gary Chamberlain
May 22, 2017, 9:31:55 PM5/22/17
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display of flags and patriotic sentiment about them has been around for
centuries.
Why do you work so hard at being stupid?
felix
May 22, 2017, 10:15:10 PM5/22/17
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killed three times..
--
"Multiculturanism equals white ethnocide"
http://thereligionofpeace.com
http://www.barenakedislam.com/
http://www.siotw.org
Fran
May 23, 2017, 12:14:03 AM5/23/17
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Gordon wrote about Menzies and his memory of what Menzies did. I agreed
with his memory. You are too stupid to understand wat was written as
both of use were referrign to OUR flag. so shut your stupid ignorant
trap if you can't add to what was under discussion which was Menzies and
OUR flag.
I said that the
> display of flags and patriotic sentiment about them has been around for
> centuries.
discussion was about Menzies and what he did with flags in OUR country.
> Why do you work so hard at being stupid?
Siri Cruise
May 23, 2017, 6:31:14 AM5/23/17
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In article <eohk9b...@mid.individual.net>, felix <felix@real_felix.invalid>
wrote:
Still better than vegemite.
wrote:
Ned Latham
May 23, 2017, 7:58:07 AM5/23/17
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The ugly spw, aka the mad cowm posting as "Fran", wrote:
> Gordon Levi, 93% Moron, wrote:
> > Gary Chamberlain wrote:
> > > The ugly spw, aka the mad cowm posting as "Fran", wrote:
> > > > Gordon Levi, 93% Moron, wrote:
> > > > > > and flunkies have been spouting that shit since the Menzies
> > > > > Menzies certainly didn't surround himself with Australian
> > > > > flags like Abbott <http://tinyurl.com/kh669y4>. Yobboes
present-day dumbed-down couch potato understands.
> > > > I agree with that memory of yours. The display of flags and
> > > > the mawkish pariotism that goes along with it is a very bogan
> > > > thing and only come into being in recent decades.
> > >
> > > You stupid twat. It has been around for centuries.
Except for the display of flags by the "criminal" classes.
> > The peasants/yobbos/rednecks could not afford flags centuries ago.
> > Centuries ago carrying the flag, usually a personal crest, was a
> > symbol of wealth and power.
>
> And was used as a rallying point for battles when they were closer
> contact fighting.
>
> > A person flying, let alone carrying, anything but a miniature
> > national flag must be fairly recent.
Irrelevant. moron. This is about jingoism, not that one flashy
aspect of it.
> Gordon Levi, 93% Moron, wrote:
> > Gary Chamberlain wrote:
> > > The ugly spw, aka the mad cowm posting as "Fran", wrote:
> > > > Gordon Levi, 93% Moron, wrote:
> > > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > > Gordon Levi, 93$ Moron, wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > So why do U.S. citizens keep needing to tell the world
> > > > > > > how great their country is?
> > > > > > ----
> > > > > > > I have noticed a similar, fairly recent, trend in Australia
> > > > > > > which makes me cringe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nothing recent about it. The establishment and their tools
> > > > > > Gordon Levi, 93$ Moron, wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > So why do U.S. citizens keep needing to tell the world
> > > > > > > how great their country is?
> > > > > > ----
> > > > > > > I have noticed a similar, fairly recent, trend in Australia
> > > > > > > which makes me cringe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and flunkies have been spouting that shit since the Menzies
> > > > > > era at least.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's not the way I remember it.
You've yet to show memory other than selective.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's not the way I remember it.
> > > > > Menzies certainly didn't surround himself with Australian
> > > > > did not march in the streets wearing Australian flags and
> > > > > cars were not decorated with Australian flags.
BFD. Jingoism isn't limited to the flashy displays that are all the
> > > > > cars were not decorated with Australian flags.
present-day dumbed-down couch potato understands.
> > > > I agree with that memory of yours. The display of flags and
> > > > the mawkish pariotism that goes along with it is a very bogan
> > > > thing and only come into being in recent decades.
> > >
> > > You stupid twat. It has been around for centuries.
> > The peasants/yobbos/rednecks could not afford flags centuries ago.
> > Centuries ago carrying the flag, usually a personal crest, was a
> > symbol of wealth and power.
>
> And was used as a rallying point for battles when they were closer
> contact fighting.
>
> > A person flying, let alone carrying, anything but a miniature
> > national flag must be fairly recent.
aspect of it.
Oleg Smirnov
Jun 18, 2017, 1:08:25 PM6/18/17
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Byker the Shithead, <news:c8udnUY7P72-8L3E...@supernews.com>
> "Ned Latham" wrote in message
>> the peoples of the world hate the USA because of its bad
>> behaviour.
>
> They have to have SOMEONE to blame all their woes on.
> Check this out: "The World Without Us." It's something of
> a sleeper:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_Without_US
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1223900/
>
> It was released in 2008, before Obama's election.
>
> Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py4jVOJDwXU
>
> Full Feature: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEVqk-eAqy0
>
> It's about what would happen if America returned to its
> pre-WWII isolationism. Be sure to watch that segment
> about Iraq and the statement that if the U.S. pulled it
> troops out, Iraq would descend into chaos. Guess what
> Obama did in 2011? Turn on any news channel and you can
> see the result.
The degenerate is desperately trying to reconcile what is
irreconcilable nowadays: the American interventionism and
the right-wing conservative agenda.
> Also, another overlooked goodie: "The World Without
> America," a short (25 min.) documentary film by Russian
> director Joseph Goldman and IDD Studio:
The Goldman case was explained here <http://goo.gl/0ujAgA>
> "Ned Latham" wrote in message
>> the peoples of the world hate the USA because of its bad
>> behaviour.
>
> They have to have SOMEONE to blame all their woes on.
> Check this out: "The World Without Us." It's something of
> a sleeper:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_Without_US
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1223900/
>
> It was released in 2008, before Obama's election.
>
> Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py4jVOJDwXU
>
> Full Feature: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEVqk-eAqy0
>
> It's about what would happen if America returned to its
> pre-WWII isolationism. Be sure to watch that segment
> about Iraq and the statement that if the U.S. pulled it
> troops out, Iraq would descend into chaos. Guess what
> Obama did in 2011? Turn on any news channel and you can
> see the result.
The degenerate is desperately trying to reconcile what is
irreconcilable nowadays: the American interventionism and
the right-wing conservative agenda.
> Also, another overlooked goodie: "The World Without
> America," a short (25 min.) documentary film by Russian
> director Joseph Goldman and IDD Studio:
The Goldman case was explained here <http://goo.gl/0ujAgA>
Byker
Jun 18, 2017, 1:46:10 PM6/18/17
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"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:oi6brd$kgl$2...@os.motzarella.org...
That post is five months old and it's STILL eating at you?
That post is five months old and it's STILL eating at you?
Red Pepper
Jun 19, 2017, 8:26:17 PM6/19/17
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Byker was gasping for air:
> That post is five months old ...
...and yet you have bitten on it.
Nazi fuckers like you are like rabid dogs furiously chewing the same bone
even if there is no morsel of flesh left on it!
DIE trolling bustard, DIE...DIE...DIE...DIE!
--
Just lick it!
> That post is five months old ...
...and yet you have bitten on it.
Nazi fuckers like you are like rabid dogs furiously chewing the same bone
even if there is no morsel of flesh left on it!
DIE trolling bustard, DIE...DIE...DIE...DIE!
--
Just lick it!
Ned Latham
Jun 19, 2017, 11:08:20 PM6/19/17
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The ugly sow's lapdog
(you know, the retard that sometimes calls itself "Ördög"),
> DIE trolling bustard, DIE...DIE...DIE...DIE!
You're the one at the head of the queue, Yap-Yap.
(you know, the retard that sometimes calls itself "Ördög"),
postinf as "Red Pepper" wrote:
> Byker was gasping for air:
>>
>> That post is five months old ...
>
> ...and yet you have bitten on it.
You too, moron. Your brain implant didn't take, huh?
> Byker was gasping for air:
>>
>> That post is five months old ...
>
> ...and yet you have bitten on it.
> DIE trolling bustard, DIE...DIE...DIE...DIE!
You're the one at the head of the queue, Yap-Yap.
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