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Tracey12

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Jan 14, 2011, 11:50:30 AM1/14/11
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Now just over two years into this depression, and Obama presidency,
what does Obama have to show for his work?

The Obama Score Card:

1. Oil is going up to $100 per bbl.
2. Food is skyrocketing.
3. Fees and taxes are going up.
4. 1 million foreclosures in 2010, 1.2 million in 2011
5. Joblessness is rising again
6. More Americans on food stamps than ever before
7 States were just told to go it on their own-NOBAMA BAILOUT
8. Untold millions of foreclosed homes on the market today
9. Few banks are lending because housing values continue to plummet
10. No bank wants to loan on a home in free fall
11. Jobs won't return for 5 years absolute minimum
12. Gas is going up to $4 to $5 per gallon.
13. Obama and followers want to use AZ blood to attack Free Speech,
Gun Rights, and to place the blame on Talk Radio, Conservatives, and
even Fox News.

Yet, there are pundits suggesting that Obama will win easily in 2012.
People who think like that are completely out of touch with reality.

Tracey12

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Jan 14, 2011, 12:36:05 PM1/14/11
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'libs wont touch this. They know its true

topcat

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Jan 14, 2011, 12:47:40 PM1/14/11
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"Tracey12" <tracey...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Very nice. I wonder WHY the mainstream media isn't focusing on any of this??
Oh yeah, they are too busy looking at FOX for "bias".

TC


Chester Dillon

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Jan 14, 2011, 1:10:50 PM1/14/11
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"topcat" <top...@aboy.com> wrote in message
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Hahahahahahahahahaha........... The MSM is FOX crackhead News.


The PHANTOM

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> "topcat" <top...@aboy.com> wrote in message
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> > "Tracey12" <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Oh?? So the numbers Tracey posted are wrong?? If so why not correct
them??

topcat

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Jan 14, 2011, 1:35:27 PM1/14/11
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"The PHANTOM" <hoofhe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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*******

One Tracey missed is -

1. Devaluing the US dollar to the point where the US could lose its triple-A
credit rating and the dollar could lose its status as the world's reserved
currency.

WHEN (not if) this happens, all hell breaks loose in this country.

TC


Lee Curtis

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Jan 14, 2011, 2:48:11 PM1/14/11
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Tracey12 wrote:

> Now just over two years into this depression, and Obama presidency,
> what does Obama have to show for his work?
>
> The Obama Score Card:


Stock market has recovered from the Bush collapse, consumer
confidence up, respect for America abroad is up, corporate profits are
up, the bailout loans are being repaid, Americans are acutally buying
American cars again, and Tom Delay is headed off to prison. Morning in
America!


Many companies moving manufacturing back to U.S.
October 25, 2010

Companies that once went abroad to manufacture or source materials are
now starting to look closer to home. as they encounter the challenge of
trying to do things more cheaply abroad.

For some, it's about reducing their shipping costs and carbon
footprint. Others are finding labor isn't as cheap as they expected, or
workmanship is poor. And there is a growing consumer push to buy from
companies that make their goods in the United States and create jobs.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/business/article_0b56a6ce-de69-11df-b12
5-001cc4c002e0.html


Mike Smith

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Jan 14, 2011, 2:58:47 PM1/14/11
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:48:11 -0600, "Lee Curtis" <clee...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Tracey12 wrote:
>
>> Now just over two years into this depression, and Obama presidency,
>> what does Obama have to show for his work?
>>
>> The Obama Score Card:
>
>
> Stock market has recovered from the Bush collapse,
>

No it hasn't. Are you a lying libtard or are you just another ignorant
libtard?

The stock market was at 14,400 when the socialists that are infesting
the democratic party took over Congress in 2007.
Where is it now?

Mike Smith

The PHANTOM

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Jan 14, 2011, 3:00:04 PM1/14/11
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You're just another dillusional useful idiot. GAWD I'm glad you uber-
fruitbats are in the minority !!

Geo

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Jan 14, 2011, 3:01:41 PM1/14/11
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On Jan 14, 2:58 pm, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:48:11 -0600, "Lee Curtis" <cleet...@gmail.com>

Plus, many of the companies that were dragging the market down are not
on the exchange any longer.

topcat

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Jan 14, 2011, 3:02:18 PM1/14/11
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"Lee Curtis" <clee...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Tracey12 wrote:
>
>> Now just over two years into this depression, and Obama presidency,
>> what does Obama have to show for his work?
>>
>> The Obama Score Card:
>
>
> Stock market has recovered from the Bush collapse, consumer
> confidence up, respect for America abroad is up, corporate profits are
> up, the bailout loans are being repaid, Americans are acutally buying
> American cars again, and Tom Delay is headed off to prison. Morning in
> America!
>
>

LOL! "Stock market has recovered"....CLUE: Stocks are being PROPPED UP by
QE3 or is it QE4 now?

LOL! "respect for America"....CLUE: Other countries only respect you when
they fear you...no one fears Odumba.

LOL! "corporate profits are up"....CLUE: Up from where? More like corporate
profits are being PROPPED UP, by money borrowed from China.

Mourning in America...indeed.

TC


Alan Ferris

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Jan 14, 2011, 3:43:26 PM1/14/11
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:50:30 -0800 (PST), Tracey12
<tracey...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Now just over two years into this depression, and Obama presidency,
>what does Obama have to show for his work?
>
>The Obama Score Card:
>
>1. Oil is going up to $100 per bbl.

So? It went up that high during Bush years, is there something
different this time?

--
Ferrit

()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")

The PHANTOM

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Jan 14, 2011, 3:56:01 PM1/14/11
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On Jan 14, 2:43 pm, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:50:30 -0800 (PST), Tracey12
>
> <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Now just over two years into this depression, and Obama presidency,
> >what does Obama have to show for his work?
>
> >The Obama Score Card:
>
> >1. Oil is going up to $100 per bbl.
>
> So?  It went up that high during Bush years, is there something
> different this time?
>
> --
> Ferrit
>
>  ()'.'.'()
>  ( (T) )
>  ( ) . ( )
>  (")_(")

Yeah,there's "something different" you fucking drooling tard. As soon
as oil got over $65 a barrel the BDS suffering leftists along with the
looneytunes MSM claimed Bush and Cheney were in bed with "BIG OIL" and
WANTED the price of oil to rise as a payoff to their BIG OIL
supporters. Now that oil is approching $100 a barrel what we hear from
the same parrots
is........................................................................................................................................................
(crickets) But,you already knew that didn't ya'?

Pete10016

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Jan 14, 2011, 4:20:45 PM1/14/11
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See my post below


(Overall, 47% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the
president's performance. Fifty-one percent (51%) disapprove.


The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows
that 25% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack
Obama is performing his role as president. Thirty-eight percent (38%)
Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating
of -13)

Alan Ferris

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Jan 14, 2011, 5:38:50 PM1/14/11
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:58:47 -0600, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:

>The stock market was at 14,400 when the socialists that are infesting
>the democratic party took over Congress in 2007.
>Where is it now?

Strange, was the massive fall not under the watch of Bush?

Damn must have been some other white American president.

The PHANTOM

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Jan 14, 2011, 9:17:17 PM1/14/11
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On Jan 14, 4:38 pm, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:58:47 -0600, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
> >The stock market was at 14,400 when the socialists that are infesting
> >the democratic party took over Congress in 2007.
> >Where is it now?
>
> Strange, was the massive fall not under the watch of Bush?
>
> Damn must have been some other white American president.
>

What "massive fall"?? WTF does the color of his skin have to do
with anything?? Is that why you hate Bush?? Because he's white ??

Kenny McCormack

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Jan 15, 2011, 7:21:09 AM1/15/11
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In article <dfb4d952-572a-453e...@f9g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
The PHANTOM <hoofhe...@yahoo.com> gurgled:
...

> What "massive fall"?? WTF does the color of his skin have to do
>with anything?? Is that why you hate Bush?? Because he's white ??

You are setting new levels of cluelessness with every post.

--
Just for a change of pace, this sig is *not* an obscure reference to
comp.lang.c...

The PHANTOM

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Jan 15, 2011, 10:14:05 AM1/15/11
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On Jan 15, 6:21 am, gaze...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
wrote:
> In article <dfb4d952-572a-453e-ab16-5ba0129b3...@f9g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
> The PHANTOM  <hoofhearte...@yahoo.com> gurgled:

> ...
>
> >   What "massive fall"?? WTF does the color of his skin have to do
> >with anything?? Is that why you hate Bush?? Because he's white ??
>
> You are setting new levels of cluelessness with every post.
>
> --
> Just for a change of pace, this sig is *not* an obscure reference to
> comp.lang.c...

I see you can't/won't answer the question. Perhaps a DailyKos blogger
will post and answer today that you can cut&paste.

Bubba

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Jan 15, 2011, 2:43:51 PM1/15/11
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Dollars to doughnuts there won't even be an "election" in 2012. They say
world war three won't last more than an hour. One hour and it'll all be
over. If anyone survives it, they can hold their election on the charred
cinder that used be called "Earth."

When you see the bright flash, duck and cover, place your head firmly
between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye.

--
Bub


Bob Hammer

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Jan 15, 2011, 2:52:54 PM1/15/11
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In article <913L66VH4055...@reece.net.au>, Bubba <Bub@ba>
wrote:

A smart man, on seeing the flash, would grab the nearest babe and kiss
*her* as goodbye.

The PHANTOM

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On Jan 15, 1:52 pm, Bob Hammer <B...@hammer.org> wrote:
> In article <913L66VH40559.1554513...@reece.net.au>, Bubba <Bub@ba>

I'd grab the biggest set of tits I could find.

Tracey12

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Jan 15, 2011, 11:07:47 PM1/15/11
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Do you mean Pelosi's?

Alan Ferris

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Jan 16, 2011, 5:21:08 AM1/16/11
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:17:17 -0800 (PST), The PHANTOM
<hoofhe...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Jan 14, 4:38�pm, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:58:47 -0600, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>> >The stock market was at 14,400 when the socialists that are infesting
>> >the democratic party took over Congress in 2007.
>> >Where is it now?
>>
>> Strange, was the massive fall not under the watch of Bush?
>>
>> Damn must have been some other white American president.
>>
>
> What "massive fall"?? WTF does the color of his skin have to do
>with anything?? Is that why you hate Bush?? Because he's white ??

Just returning the flavour of comments about Obama where apparently
the colour of his skin does matter.

Do I hate Bush, I hate the way he has made the world unsafe, I hate
the pointless deaths caused by pointless wars, but no I do not hate
him. I actually used to find his ignorance quite funny, but then most
of us outside America never took him seriously, he was just too
stupid.

You did not think that in 2008 the DOW loosing almost 50% was not a
crash.....interesting. Also it is not often that a bank the size of
Lehman Brothers goes under...but again I am sure none of this had to
do with government actions, or should I say lack of controls.

Alan Ferris

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Jan 16, 2011, 5:21:54 AM1/16/11
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 12:21:09 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com
(Kenny McCormack) wrote:

>In article <dfb4d952-572a-453e...@f9g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
>The PHANTOM <hoofhe...@yahoo.com> gurgled:
>...
>> What "massive fall"?? WTF does the color of his skin have to do
>>with anything?? Is that why you hate Bush?? Because he's white ??
>
>You are setting new levels of cluelessness with every post.

I wonder where he was in 2008? Maybe he thinks Obama was to blame
even though not in office :)

Patrick

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Jan 16, 2011, 10:08:17 AM1/16/11
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"Alan Ferris" <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote

> Do I hate Bush, I hate the way he has made the world unsafe, I hate
> the pointless deaths caused by pointless wars, but no I do not hate
> him. I actually used to find his ignorance quite funny, but then most
> of us outside America never took him seriously, he was just too
> stupid.

He was able to manipulate Tony Blair.
Which one is stupider?


> You did not think that in 2008 the DOW loosing almost 50% was not a
> crash.....interesting. Also it is not often that a bank the size of
> Lehman Brothers goes under...but again I am sure none of this had to
> do with government actions, or should I say lack of controls.

It certainly had to do with inaction by the Congressional
oversight of the banking industry. The fag Frank is directly
to blame and his democrap bubba Leahy is also to blame.
They also refused to consider Bush's legislation to ensure
the banking boys wouldn't go nuts.

Bob Hammer

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Jan 16, 2011, 12:39:34 PM1/16/11
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In article
<53ad17b1-aea5-4393...@k13g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
The PHANTOM <hoofhe...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Test theory about "taking it with you".

Alan Ferris

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On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 10:08:17 -0500, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
wrote:

>"Alan Ferris" <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote
>> Do I hate Bush, I hate the way he has made the world unsafe, I hate
>> the pointless deaths caused by pointless wars, but no I do not hate
>> him. I actually used to find his ignorance quite funny, but then most
>> of us outside America never took him seriously, he was just too
>> stupid.
>
>He was able to manipulate Tony Blair.
>Which one is stupider?

Blair was just a sycophant. Complete ass hole, probably slightly
better than Bush in the fact he never tried to claim he made the world
a safer place or stand on the deck of a carrier and claim the war was
over.....so I guess they are just 2 assholes together.

>> You did not think that in 2008 the DOW loosing almost 50% was not a
>> crash.....interesting. Also it is not often that a bank the size of
>> Lehman Brothers goes under...but again I am sure none of this had to
>> do with government actions, or should I say lack of controls.
>
>It certainly had to do with inaction by the Congressional
>oversight of the banking industry. The fag Frank is directly
>to blame and his democrap bubba Leahy is also to blame.
>They also refused to consider Bush's legislation to ensure
>the banking boys wouldn't go nuts.

Right, and all the regulations removed by the republicans were just
mist......

hipper than thou

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Patrick

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Alan Ferris" <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2vb6j6l394slmrph4...@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 10:08:17 -0500, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"Alan Ferris" <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote
>>> Do I hate Bush, I hate the way he has made the world unsafe, I hate
>>> the pointless deaths caused by pointless wars, but no I do not hate
>>> him. I actually used to find his ignorance quite funny, but then most
>>> of us outside America never took him seriously, he was just too
>>> stupid.
>>
>>He was able to manipulate Tony Blair.
>>Which one is stupider?
>
> Blair was just a sycophant. Complete ass hole, probably slightly

He was yours..... not mine.
Don't make excuses for him.
Most people in America today have no idea who is running your country.
That is because he is a minor player with no world voice anymore.


> better than Bush in the fact he never tried to claim he made the world
> a safer place or stand on the deck of a carrier and claim the war was
> over.....so I guess they are just 2 assholes together.

Bush never made that claim.
Bush merely claimed the Navy's mission of war was over.
And, it was over.


>>> You did not think that in 2008 the DOW loosing almost 50% was not a
>>> crash.....interesting. Also it is not often that a bank the size of
>>> Lehman Brothers goes under...but again I am sure none of this had to
>>> do with government actions, or should I say lack of controls.
>>
>>It certainly had to do with inaction by the Congressional
>>oversight of the banking industry. The fag Frank is directly
>>to blame and his democrap bubba Leahy is also to blame.
>>They also refused to consider Bush's legislation to ensure
>>the banking boys wouldn't go nuts.
>
> Right, and all the regulations removed by the republicans were just
> mist......

You blame it on whoever you like.
At least America is digging itself out of the hole.
How are you guys doing?

Alan Ferris

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Jan 16, 2011, 7:43:40 PM1/16/11
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:21:52 -0500, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
wrote:

>Alan Ferris" <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:2vb6j6l394slmrph4...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 10:08:17 -0500, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Alan Ferris" <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote
>>>> Do I hate Bush, I hate the way he has made the world unsafe, I hate
>>>> the pointless deaths caused by pointless wars, but no I do not hate
>>>> him. I actually used to find his ignorance quite funny, but then most
>>>> of us outside America never took him seriously, he was just too
>>>> stupid.
>>>
>>>He was able to manipulate Tony Blair.
>>>Which one is stupider?
>>
>> Blair was just a sycophant. Complete ass hole, probably slightly
>
>He was yours..... not mine.
>Don't make excuses for him.
>Most people in America today have no idea who is running your country.
>That is because he is a minor player with no world voice anymore.

ROFLMAO! Taking pride in your ignorance again. America is struggling
like mad to get back all the credibility it lost under Bush.

>> better than Bush in the fact he never tried to claim he made the world
>> a safer place or stand on the deck of a carrier and claim the war was
>> over.....so I guess they are just 2 assholes together.
>
>Bush never made that claim.
>Bush merely claimed the Navy's mission of war was over.
>And, it was over.

He stood beneath a banner stating "Mission Accomplished", he even said
"job done", but your troops are still there doing the same job. He
called it a "victory".

It was fun watching his cronies trying to back track for him. No
credibility at all.

>>>> You did not think that in 2008 the DOW loosing almost 50% was not a
>>>> crash.....interesting. Also it is not often that a bank the size of
>>>> Lehman Brothers goes under...but again I am sure none of this had to
>>>> do with government actions, or should I say lack of controls.
>>>
>>>It certainly had to do with inaction by the Congressional
>>>oversight of the banking industry. The fag Frank is directly
>>>to blame and his democrap bubba Leahy is also to blame.
>>>They also refused to consider Bush's legislation to ensure
>>>the banking boys wouldn't go nuts.
>>
>> Right, and all the regulations removed by the republicans were just
>> mist......
>
>You blame it on whoever you like.
>At least America is digging itself out of the hole.
>How are you guys doing?

Our debt is lower than yours and we have paid more off. Personally it
has not affected me, I would have had a 2 year pay freeze but as I got
promoted I got a pay rise anyway. How are the handouts from the state
for you? Are they giving you a raise this year?

Patrick

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Jan 16, 2011, 8:00:17 PM1/16/11
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"Alan Ferris" <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote :

>>> "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>>>"Alan Ferris" <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote
>>>>> Do I hate Bush, I hate the way he has made the world unsafe, I hate
>>>>> the pointless deaths caused by pointless wars, but no I do not hate
>>>>> him. I actually used to find his ignorance quite funny, but then most
>>>>> of us outside America never took him seriously, he was just too
>>>>> stupid.
>>>>
>>>>He was able to manipulate Tony Blair.
>>>>Which one is stupider?
>>>
>>> Blair was just a sycophant. Complete ass hole, probably slightly
>>
>>He was yours..... not mine.
>>Don't make excuses for him.
>>Most people in America today have no idea who is running your country.
>>That is because he is a minor player with no world voice anymore.
>
> ROFLMAO! Taking pride in your ignorance again. America is struggling
> like mad to get back all the credibility it lost under Bush.

Not under Nobamma, the world order socialist.
He recently had his ass kicked, and will soon move to the right.


>>> better than Bush in the fact he never tried to claim he made the world
>>> a safer place or stand on the deck of a carrier and claim the war was
>>> over.....so I guess they are just 2 assholes together.
>>
>>Bush never made that claim.
>>Bush merely claimed the Navy's mission of war was over.
>>And, it was over.
>
> He stood beneath a banner stating "Mission Accomplished", he even said
> "job done", but your troops are still there doing the same job. He
> called it a "victory".

The Navy's mission was accomplished.
They had just whupped sadam and the republican guard.
No more night and day bombing.
No more saddam.

> It was fun watching his cronies trying to back track for him. No
> credibility at all.

He certainly didn't go in front of parliament and whine for
forgiveness.....


> Our debt is lower than yours and we have paid more off. Personally it
> has not affected me, I would have had a 2 year pay freeze but as I got
> promoted I got a pay rise anyway. How are the handouts from the state
> for you? Are they giving you a raise this year?

I get a pay raise nearly every year. The last time I didn't
was when Nixon froze pay and wages almost 40 years ago.
However, I was promoted later and got six months back pay
increases. I was a young man with two kids, and it
was really appreciated.


Mike Smith

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Jan 17, 2011, 6:35:31 AM1/17/11
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 22:38:50 +0000, Alan Ferris
<hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:58:47 -0600, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>
>>The stock market was at 14,400 when the socialists that are infesting
>>the democratic party took over Congress in 2007.
>>Where is it now?
>
>Strange, was the massive fall not under the watch of Bush?
>
>Damn must have been some other white American president.

Your ignorance of what Congress and the President is constitutionally
allowed to do is not my problem, but it gives me more opportunities to
ridicule your dumb ass.

Mike Smith

Mike Smith

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Jan 17, 2011, 6:41:51 AM1/17/11
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 00:43:40 +0000, Alan Ferris
<hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>
>He stood beneath a banner stating "Mission Accomplished", he even said
>"job done", but your troops are still there doing the same job. He
>called it a "victory".
>
>It was fun watching his cronies trying to back track for him. No
>credibility at all.
>

You being the clueless blithering idiot that you are would have no
idea that any time a carrier group comes back to port, they hold a
mission accomplished party, even if their mission was patrolling off
the coast of the Philippines for 9 months.

GW Bush flew out to help them celebrate the end of their mission and
to herald the end of the actual war and the start of the occupation of
Iraq.

But I am wasting time. You libtards are way too stupid to comprehend
what was done.

Mike Smith

Alan Ferris

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Jan 17, 2011, 2:25:35 PM1/17/11
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:00:17 -0500, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
wrote:

>"Alan Ferris" <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote :
>>>> "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>>>>"Alan Ferris" <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote
>>>>>> Do I hate Bush, I hate the way he has made the world unsafe, I hate
>>>>>> the pointless deaths caused by pointless wars, but no I do not hate
>>>>>> him. I actually used to find his ignorance quite funny, but then most
>>>>>> of us outside America never took him seriously, he was just too
>>>>>> stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>>He was able to manipulate Tony Blair.
>>>>>Which one is stupider?
>>>>
>>>> Blair was just a sycophant. Complete ass hole, probably slightly
>>>
>>>He was yours..... not mine.
>>>Don't make excuses for him.
>>>Most people in America today have no idea who is running your country.
>>>That is because he is a minor player with no world voice anymore.
>>
>> ROFLMAO! Taking pride in your ignorance again. America is struggling
>> like mad to get back all the credibility it lost under Bush.
>
>Not under Nobamma, the world order socialist.
>He recently had his ass kicked, and will soon move to the right.

He has currently more credibility than Bush ever had. Bush sadly
ruined his from the outset and did nothing to improve it. I never
really understood why, surely an idiot could not have got that far
without being found out, so why did he keep acting like one?

>>>> better than Bush in the fact he never tried to claim he made the world
>>>> a safer place or stand on the deck of a carrier and claim the war was
>>>> over.....so I guess they are just 2 assholes together.
>>>
>>>Bush never made that claim.
>>>Bush merely claimed the Navy's mission of war was over.
>>>And, it was over.
>>
>> He stood beneath a banner stating "Mission Accomplished", he even said
>> "job done", but your troops are still there doing the same job. He
>> called it a "victory".
>
>The Navy's mission was accomplished.
>They had just whupped sadam and the republican guard.
>No more night and day bombing.
>No more saddam.

They had not caught Sadam by that time. They still do day and night
bombing, just more by drones and less by piloted craft. Troops are
still drying there.

>> It was fun watching his cronies trying to back track for him. No
>> credibility at all.
>
>He certainly didn't go in front of parliament and whine for
>forgiveness.....

Who did that? Blair has never asked for forgiveness and still
believes he did the right thing.....he is about as deluded as Bush is
about it.

>> Our debt is lower than yours and we have paid more off. Personally it
>> has not affected me, I would have had a 2 year pay freeze but as I got
>> promoted I got a pay rise anyway. How are the handouts from the state
>> for you? Are they giving you a raise this year?
>
>I get a pay raise nearly every year. The last time I didn't
>was when Nixon froze pay and wages almost 40 years ago.
>However, I was promoted later and got six months back pay
>increases. I was a young man with two kids, and it
>was really appreciated.

But how is the rise comparing to the high inflation your country is
suffering? I note that basic prices have risen quite a lot lately and
that even fuel is skyrocketing there.

Alan Ferris

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Jan 17, 2011, 2:33:55 PM1/17/11
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 05:41:51 -0600, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:

>You being the clueless blithering idiot that you are would have no
>idea that any time a carrier group comes back to port, they hold a
>mission accomplished party, even if their mission was patrolling off
>the coast of the Philippines for 9 months.

But it was not back at port when he flew out. He also was talking to
the public and not just the carrier group. You cannot call Iraq a
victory even now.

Patrick

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Jan 17, 2011, 5:09:32 PM1/17/11
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"Alan Ferris" <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:0k59j65usgm609udv...@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:00:17 -0500, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"Alan Ferris" <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote :
>>>>> "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>>>>>"Alan Ferris" <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote
>>>>>>> Do I hate Bush, I hate the way he has made the world unsafe, I hate
>>>>>>> the pointless deaths caused by pointless wars, but no I do not hate
>>>>>>> him. I actually used to find his ignorance quite funny, but then
>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>> of us outside America never took him seriously, he was just too
>>>>>>> stupid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He was able to manipulate Tony Blair.
>>>>>>Which one is stupider?
>>>>>
>>>>> Blair was just a sycophant. Complete ass hole, probably slightly
>>>>
>>>>He was yours..... not mine.
>>>>Don't make excuses for him.
>>>>Most people in America today have no idea who is running your country.
>>>>That is because he is a minor player with no world voice anymore.
>>>
>>> ROFLMAO! Taking pride in your ignorance again. America is struggling
>>> like mad to get back all the credibility it lost under Bush.
>>
>>Not under Nobamma, the world order socialist.
>>He recently had his ass kicked, and will soon move to the right.
>
> He has currently more credibility than Bush ever had.

With you and the criminal element, maybe.


> Bush sadly
> ruined his from the outset and did nothing to improve it. I never
> really understood why, surely an idiot could not have got that far
> without being found out, so why did he keep acting like one?

Bush was a great president, in charge during some very critical times.

>
>>> He stood beneath a banner stating "Mission Accomplished", he even said
>>> "job done", but your troops are still there doing the same job. He
>>> called it a "victory".
>>
>>The Navy's mission was accomplished.
>>They had just whupped sadam and the republican guard.
>>No more night and day bombing.
>>No more saddam.
>
> They had not caught Sadam by that time. They still do day and night
> bombing, just more by drones and less by piloted craft. Troops are
> still drying there.

The war is over.
The Navy completed their mission.
Their flat-top and 5000 sailors were going home.
They were happy. Their mssion was accomplished.

>>> It was fun watching his cronies trying to back track for him. No
>>> credibility at all.
>>
>>He certainly didn't go in front of parliament and whine for
>>forgiveness.....
>
> Who did that? Blair has never asked for forgiveness and still
> believes he did the right thing.....he is about as deluded as Bush is
> about it.

Well then, when you straighten out your people,
then you can start to complain about ours.

>>> Our debt is lower than yours and we have paid more off. Personally it
>>> has not affected me, I would have had a 2 year pay freeze but as I got
>>> promoted I got a pay rise anyway. How are the handouts from the state
>>> for you? Are they giving you a raise this year?
>>
>>I get a pay raise nearly every year. The last time I didn't
>>was when Nixon froze pay and wages almost 40 years ago.
>>However, I was promoted later and got six months back pay
>>increases. I was a young man with two kids, and it
>>was really appreciated.
>
> But how is the rise comparing to the high inflation your country is
> suffering? I note that basic prices have risen quite a lot lately and
> that even fuel is skyrocketing there.

What inflation?
Fuel prices are rising because BP needs to screw the world some more.


Patrick

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Jan 17, 2011, 5:11:37 PM1/17/11
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"Alan Ferris" <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5u59j6pmac6ct47fk...@4ax.com...

No one ever has, except maybe Blair, yer buddy.
Of course the carrier was not back at port.
It was about a day or two from entering port.
They were coming home.
Bush flew out from Mirimar to land on the carrier.
Did Blair ever pilot a fighter plane?


Alan Ferris

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Jan 18, 2011, 2:01:31 PM1/18/11
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:11:37 -0500, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
wrote:

No, but then he did not dodge the draft either.

Patrick

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Jan 18, 2011, 3:01:42 PM1/18/11
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"Alan Ferris" <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:mrobj61eqh3bn3s5i...@4ax.com...

Bush was a member of the military. He was a fighter pilot.
His father was a fighter pilot.
In November 1970, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, commander of the 111th Fighter
Squadron, recommended that GW Bush be promoted to First Lieutenant, calling
him "a dynamic outstanding young officer" who stood out as "a top notch
fighter interceptor pilot." He said that "Lt. Bush's skills far exceed his
contemporaries," and that "he is a natural leader whom his contemporaries
look to for leadership. Lt. Bush is also a good follower with outstanding
disciplinary traits and an impeccable military bearing."[


Alan Ferris

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Jan 19, 2011, 6:09:57 PM1/19/11
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:01:42 -0500, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
wrote:

>
>"Alan Ferris" <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:mrobj61eqh3bn3s5i...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:11:37 -0500, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Alan Ferris" <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>news:5u59j6pmac6ct47fk...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 05:41:51 -0600, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>You being the clueless blithering idiot that you are would have no
>>>>>idea that any time a carrier group comes back to port, they hold a
>>>>>mission accomplished party, even if their mission was patrolling off
>>>>>the coast of the Philippines for 9 months.
>>>>
>>>> But it was not back at port when he flew out. He also was talking to
>>>> the public and not just the carrier group. You cannot call Iraq a
>>>> victory even now.
>>>
>>>No one ever has, except maybe Blair, yer buddy.
>>>Of course the carrier was not back at port.
>>>It was about a day or two from entering port.
>>>They were coming home.
>>>Bush flew out from Mirimar to land on the carrier.
>>>Did Blair ever pilot a fighter plane?
>>>
>> No, but then he did not dodge the draft either.
>
>Bush was a member of the military. He was a fighter pilot.
>His father was a fighter pilot.

Everybody knows he dodged.

Mike Smith

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Jan 20, 2011, 9:06:59 PM1/20/11
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everyone = delusional fools.

Mike Smith

Alan Ferris

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Jan 21, 2011, 3:47:39 PM1/21/11
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So you do not think his daddy used his influence to get him into the
Guards....you must be one of the few.

Mike Smith

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Jan 21, 2011, 5:08:24 PM1/21/11
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:47:39 +0000, Alan Ferris
<hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

And in what fantasy world would that be considered dodging the
military. You do know that flying fighter jets is fuckin dangerous,
don't you?

Mike Smith

Alan Ferris

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Jan 22, 2011, 9:37:11 AM1/22/11
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In a war zone, yes. Since when was USA mainland a war zone?

Pepe Le Jew

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Jan 22, 2011, 10:28:21 AM1/22/11
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In article <prqlj6dh7sq2qmqtk...@4ax.com>,
Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Read and learn...


"ANG members of the period who we've been able to locate indicate that
only highly qualified pilot candidates were accepted for Delta Dagger
training because it was such a challenging aircraft to fly and left
little room for mistakes.

According to the Air Force Safety Center, the lifetime Class A accident
rate for the F-102 was 13.69 mishaps per 100,000 flight hours, and the
rate was especially high during the early years of the plane's service.

The F-102 was still far more dangerous to fly than today's combat
aircraft. Compared to the F-102's lifetime accident rate of 13.69,
today's planes generally average around 4 mishaps per 100,000 hours"

The perfect plane for a coward to fly!

Mike Smith

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Jan 22, 2011, 12:50:10 PM1/22/11
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:37:11 +0000, Alan Ferris
<hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Thanks for confirming that you lack any common sense, logic, or
analytical abilities.

Free clue, fool:
In order to be a fighter pilot, you have to fly fighter planes, a lot.

Mike Smith

Alan Ferris

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Jan 22, 2011, 4:01:04 PM1/22/11
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 09:28:21 -0600, Pepe Le Jew <Pep...@zionet.com>
wrote:

Indeed, much safer than flying it actually over a warzone where you
might get shot at.

Alan Ferris

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Jan 22, 2011, 4:02:17 PM1/22/11
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When did Bush fly a fighter plane in a war zone. The term fighter
pilot would suggest you are in the plane to fight.....not just fly
over home territory.

Pepe Le Jew

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Jan 22, 2011, 4:18:10 PM1/22/11
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In article <ebhmj6tf0luanvor7...@4ax.com>,
Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

So basically your claim is that ANG F-102 pilots who didn't see Vietnam
combat were and are cowards.

Pepe Le Jew

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Jan 22, 2011, 4:20:15 PM1/22/11
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In article <0dhmj6denk8vdcr2f...@4ax.com>,
Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:


> When did Bush fly a fighter plane in a war zone. The term fighter
> pilot would suggest you are in the plane to fight.....not just fly
> over home territory.

The term refers to pilots of combat aircraft, regardless of combat
experience.

All these technicalities were well-discussed in the Dan Rather era,
where were you?

Alan Ferris

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Jan 23, 2011, 6:38:24 AM1/23/11
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:18:10 -0600, Pepe Le Jew <Pep...@zionet.com>
wrote:

I would like to see where I have stated that. I have all along
refereed to one single pilot who avoided combat because daddy had
money. He is not the only one, there were many others. It is a
cowardly act.

I used to parachute out of aircraft, but I have never done it on a
combat mission and therefore would never equate myself to those who
have.

Alan Ferris

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Jan 23, 2011, 7:04:05 AM1/23/11
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 11:38:24 +0000, Alan Ferris
<hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

^^^^^^^^

Damn dyslexia gets the better of me again!

Mike Smith

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Jan 23, 2011, 10:30:54 AM1/23/11
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 11:38:24 +0000, Alan Ferris
<hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>>> >---->The perfect plane for a coward to fly!<-----


>>>
>>> Indeed, much safer than flying it actually over a warzone where you
>>> might get shot at.
>>
>>So basically your claim is that ANG F-102 pilots who didn't see Vietnam
>>combat were and are cowards.
>
>I would like to see where I have stated that. I have all along
>refereed to one single pilot who avoided combat because daddy had
>money. He is not the only one, there were many others. It is a
>cowardly act.
>

You stated it right above when you insinuated that the F-102 would e a
perfect plane for cowards to fly.
Is English your second or third language?

Mike Smith

Pepe Le Jew

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Jan 23, 2011, 10:40:56 AM1/23/11
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In article <ak4oj6dct6lhcf3rq...@4ax.com>,
Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:


Can you actually detail how money kept him from flying in Vietnam?


> I used to parachute out of aircraft, but I have never done it on a
> combat mission and therefore would never equate myself to those who
> have.

Could it possibly be that you you have no real basis to suggest Bush is
a coward, that in fact you simply do not like him?

Alan Ferris

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Jan 23, 2011, 6:11:40 PM1/23/11
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Strange, I look above and do not see me saying "the F-102 would e a
perfect plane for cowards to fly" but I do see you saying it more than
once. I simply stated that a specific pilot who avoided combat was a
coward, you clearly do have English as a 2nd language, after all you
did get it 2nd hand.

Alan Ferris

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Jan 23, 2011, 6:12:43 PM1/23/11
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:40:56 -0600, Pepe Le Jew <Pep...@zionet.com>
wrote:

>> I used to parachute out of aircraft, but I have never done it on a


>> combat mission and therefore would never equate myself to those who
>> have.
>
>Could it possibly be that you you have no real basis to suggest Bush is
>a coward, that in fact you simply do not like him?

Yes, I have more connection with the military than Bush has shown and
I find anybody who deliberately avoids combat like this as a coward.
Many military people do.

Pepe Le Jew

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Jan 23, 2011, 7:09:33 PM1/23/11
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In article <uddpj6de33bghoojg...@4ax.com>,
Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

I also have close familial military connections, that doesn't make Bush
a hero. It's irrelevant.

If Bush were, in fact, a coward, wouldn't there be better places to hide
than the cockpit of a fighter jet with a bad safety record?

Mike Smith

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Jan 23, 2011, 7:35:53 PM1/23/11
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 23:11:40 +0000, Alan Ferris
<hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>>You stated it right above when you insinuated that the F-102 would be a


>>perfect plane for cowards to fly.
>>Is English your second or third language?
>

>Strange, I look above and do not see me saying "the F-102 would be a


>perfect plane for cowards to fly" but I do see you saying it more than
>once. I simply stated that a specific pilot who avoided combat was a
>coward, you clearly do have English as a 2nd language, after all you
>did get it 2nd hand.

Folks, this is what libtards look like... No common sense, no logic,
no analytical abilities. This allows them to spew any and all manner
of bullshit and believe it 100% at the time they spew it.

This fuckin fool has no idea what he meant when he stated

"---->The perfect plane for a coward to fly!<-----"

Mike Smith

Mike Smith

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Jan 23, 2011, 7:37:11 PM1/23/11
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 18:09:33 -0600, Pepe Le Jew <Pep...@zionet.com>
wrote:

>In article <uddpj6de33bghoojg...@4ax.com>,
> Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:40:56 -0600, Pepe Le Jew <Pep...@zionet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> I used to parachute out of aircraft, but I have never done it on a
>> >> combat mission and therefore would never equate myself to those who
>> >> have.
>> >
>> >Could it possibly be that you you have no real basis to suggest Bush is
>> >a coward, that in fact you simply do not like him?
>>
>> Yes, I have more connection with the military than Bush has shown and
>> I find anybody who deliberately avoids combat like this as a coward.
>> Many military people do.
>
>I also have close familial military connections, that doesn't make Bush
>a hero. It's irrelevant.
>
>If Bush were, in fact, a coward, wouldn't there be better places to hide
>than the cockpit of a fighter jet with a bad safety record?

He does not understand logic. You could explain all day long (and
have); he won't "get it". He's stupid.

Mike Smith

Pepe Le Jew

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Jan 23, 2011, 10:17:10 PM1/23/11
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In article <0cipj6phci7m8abdh...@4ax.com>,
Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 18:09:33 -0600, Pepe Le Jew <Pep...@zionet.com>
> wrote:

> benevolent

Perhaps he's just loyal.

Harold Burton

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Jan 23, 2011, 10:23:12 PM1/23/11
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In article <WrKdnfpkk-_mNa3Q...@giganews.com>,
"Lee Curtis" <clee...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tracey12 wrote:
>
> > Now just over two years into this depression, and Obama presidency,
> > what does Obama have to show for his work?
> >
> > The Obama Score Card:
>
>
> Stock market has recovered from the Bush collapse


Clinton dot com bubble collapse, actually.


snicker

Harold Burton

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Jan 23, 2011, 10:24:03 PM1/23/11
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In article <e2k1j6hqslnsq9v63...@4ax.com>,
Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:58:47 -0600, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>
> >The stock market was at 14,400 when the socialists that are infesting
> >the democratic party took over Congress in 2007.
> >Where is it now?
>
> Strange, was the massive fall not under the watch of Bush?


Nope, started under Clinton, his dot com bubble burst.


snicker

Harold Burton

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Jan 23, 2011, 10:24:46 PM1/23/11
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In article <i4h5j6t4l2kr281ru...@4ax.com>,
Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:17:17 -0800 (PST), The PHANTOM
> <hoofhe...@yahoo.com> wrote:


>
> >On Jan 14, 4:38�pm, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:58:47 -0600, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
> >> >The stock market was at 14,400 when the socialists that are infesting
> >> >the democratic party took over Congress in 2007.
> >> >Where is it now?
> >>
> >> Strange, was the massive fall not under the watch of Bush?
> >>

> >> Damn must have been some other white American president.
> >>
> >
> > What "massive fall"?? WTF does the color of his skin have to do
> >with anything?? Is that why you hate Bush?? Because he's white ??
>
> Just returning the flavour of comments about Obama where apparently
> the colour of his skin does matter.


Nope, just his incompetence.


snicker

Harold Burton

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Jan 23, 2011, 10:27:35 PM1/23/11
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In article <jprej6hbdja2v912t...@4ax.com>,
Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Every librul "knows" he dodged.


It a matter faith among them, even though they can't provide one bit of
proof to back it up.

Lots of proof that their hero Bubba Clinton dodged though


http://www.1stcavmedic.com/bill-clinton-draft.htm


snicker

Harold Burton

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Jan 23, 2011, 10:28:08 PM1/23/11
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In article <sgqhj6ladfd45nn38...@4ax.com>,
Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:

Bingo!!!


snicker

Harold Burton

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Jan 23, 2011, 10:30:18 PM1/23/11
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In article <q5sjj69fpo3o1qsc7...@4ax.com>,
Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:


Who said he didn't? Just like Fat Teddy's daddy used his influence to
get Fat Teddy out of a few years of army service . . . that plus spring
him from a charge of vehicular homicide and DUI.


snicker.

Harold Burton

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Jan 23, 2011, 10:31:23 PM1/23/11
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In article <prqlj6dh7sq2qmqtk...@4ax.com>,
Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

And onto carriers . . . anywhere.

snicker

Harold Burton

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Jan 23, 2011, 10:32:52 PM1/23/11
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In article <ebhmj6tf0luanvor7...@4ax.com>,
Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:


But far more dangerous that posting whiney complaints about Dubya to
usenet.

snicker.

Harold Burton

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Jan 23, 2011, 10:33:53 PM1/23/11
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In article <Pepster-2EC919...@news.giganews.com>,


Almost as cowardly as posting whiney complaints about dubya to usenet.


snicker

Harold Burton

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Jan 23, 2011, 10:35:33 PM1/23/11
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In article <ak4oj6dct6lhcf3rq...@4ax.com>,
Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> refereed (sic) to one single pilot who avoided combat because daddy had
> money.

Just like Ted Kennedy . . or Al Gore.


snicker.

Alan Ferris

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Jan 24, 2011, 2:41:33 PM1/24/11
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ROFLMAO! You have shown yourself to be the fool, that was not posted
by me:

Message-ID: <Pepster-79EE82...@news.giganews.com>

No doubt you will be like all other American cowards and now slink off
rather than being a man and saying sorry.

Alan Ferris

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Jan 24, 2011, 2:42:27 PM1/24/11
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 18:09:33 -0600, Pepe Le Jew <Pep...@zionet.com>
wrote:

>In article <uddpj6de33bghoojg...@4ax.com>,
> Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:40:56 -0600, Pepe Le Jew <Pep...@zionet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> I used to parachute out of aircraft, but I have never done it on a
>> >> combat mission and therefore would never equate myself to those who
>> >> have.
>> >
>> >Could it possibly be that you you have no real basis to suggest Bush is
>> >a coward, that in fact you simply do not like him?
>>
>> Yes, I have more connection with the military than Bush has shown and
>> I find anybody who deliberately avoids combat like this as a coward.
>> Many military people do.
>
>I also have close familial military connections, that doesn't make Bush
>a hero. It's irrelevant.
>
>If Bush were, in fact, a coward, wouldn't there be better places to hide
>than the cockpit of a fighter jet with a bad safety record?

Better than the same plane in combat.....are you truly trying to claim
he was braver than the men who actually flew them in combat?

Alan Ferris

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Jan 24, 2011, 2:43:06 PM1/24/11
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Because the pilots who flew the planes in combat were facing a much
greater risk and that was what he was ducking out of.

Alan Ferris

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Jan 24, 2011, 2:44:17 PM1/24/11
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I am sure he did. You Americans seem to accept this and defend such
actions.

Alan Ferris

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Jan 24, 2011, 2:45:17 PM1/24/11
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Why then do you not point out the incompetence of your favoured
political leaders? They have produced some really dumb comments.

Alan Ferris

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Jan 24, 2011, 2:46:06 PM1/24/11
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Actually looking at the graph the stocks were going up.....big fall
under Bush. Damn crappy mortgages all those banks lent money on.

Mike Smith

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Jan 24, 2011, 7:40:00 PM1/24/11
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 19:42:27 +0000, Alan Ferris
<hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 18:09:33 -0600, Pepe Le Jew <Pep...@zionet.com>
>wrote:
>
>>In article <uddpj6de33bghoojg...@4ax.com>,
>> Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:40:56 -0600, Pepe Le Jew <Pep...@zionet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> I used to parachute out of aircraft, but I have never done it on a
>>> >> combat mission and therefore would never equate myself to those who
>>> >> have.
>>> >
>>> >Could it possibly be that you you have no real basis to suggest Bush is
>>> >a coward, that in fact you simply do not like him?
>>>
>>> Yes, I have more connection with the military than Bush has shown and
>>> I find anybody who deliberately avoids combat like this as a coward.
>>> Many military people do.
>>
>>I also have close familial military connections, that doesn't make Bush
>>a hero. It's irrelevant.
>>
>>If Bush were, in fact, a coward, wouldn't there be better places to hide
>>than the cockpit of a fighter jet with a bad safety record?
>
>Better than the same plane in combat.....are you truly trying to claim
>he was braver than the men who actually flew them in combat?

Nope... He's just proving that you are a mindless moron for calling
Bush a coward.

Mike Smith

Pepe Le Jew

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In article <uddpj6de33bghoojg...@4ax.com>,
Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:40:56 -0600, Pepe Le Jew <Pep...@zionet.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> I used to parachute out of aircraft, but I have never done it on a
> >> combat mission and therefore would never equate myself to those who
> >> have.
> >
> >Could it possibly be that you you have no real basis to suggest Bush is
> >a coward, that in fact you simply do not like him?
>
> Yes, I have more connection with the military than Bush has shown and
> I find anybody who deliberately avoids combat like this as a coward.

The TANG was subject to assignment in Vietnam when Bush joined.

You'd have a better argument if he had gotten a desk job, but he didn't.

Sid9

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On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:47:39 +0000, Alan Ferris
<hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:06:59 -0600, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>

And in what fantasy world would that be considered dodging the


military. You do know that flying fighter jets is fuckin dangerous,
don't you?

Mike Smith


====================
sid9 sez:

bush,jr got free government flying lessons, a kind of welfare for the rich
and powerful.
When asked to participate in the war he refused.
To defend bush,jr and his family for this is indefensible while others less
fortunate were dying in Viet Nam .
====================

Sid9

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Mike Smith

.
.
==================
sid9 sez:

Defending the indefensible.
bush,jr refused war service.
bush,jr flew an obsolete plane that was not used in Viet Nam.
==================

Sid9

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Jan 24, 2011, 10:28:49 PM1/24/11
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.
.
.
=====================
sid9 sez:

bush,jr refused combat assignment
You are defending the indefensible.
bush,jr got welfare for the wealthy, free government flying lessons.
=====================

Sid9

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In article <0dhmj6denk8vdcr2f...@4ax.com>,
Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:


> When did Bush fly a fighter plane in a war zone. The term fighter
> pilot would suggest you are in the plane to fight.....not just fly
> over home territory.

The term refers to pilots of combat aircraft, regardless of combat
experience.

All these technicalities were well-discussed in the Dan Rather era,
where were you?
.
.
========================
sid9 sez:

F102 was no longer a combat aircraft when bush.jr got his welfare flying
lessons free from the government.
bush,jr refused combat duty when asked.
Less influential people were dying in Viet Nam while bush,jr got his free
lessons
=========================

Sid9

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--
Ferrit

=====================
sid9 sez:

Alarm! Alarm!
Subject change alarm!
=====================

Mike Smith

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On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:28:49 -0500, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net>
wrote:

Yes, folks... Libtards are this stupid.

Mike Smith

Sid9

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Mike Smith

=====================
sid9 sez:

When you have no useful reply make it a personal attack.

I avoid personal attack and pissing contests.
Good bye.
=====================

Mike Smith

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On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 06:06:51 -0500, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net>
wrote:

Dude, you are a fuckin liar. You cannot provide any proof that any of
your lies are true, because they are not.

That is why you are labeled as a stupid libtard.

Mike Smith

Alan Ferris

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Anybody who accepts daddies money to avoid combat is a coward.

Alan Ferris

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A review of Bush's military records shows that Bush enjoyed
preferential treatment as the son of a then-congressman, when he
walked into a Texas Guard unit in Houston two weeks before his 1968
graduation from Yale and was moved to the top of a long waiting list.

It was an era when service in the Guard was a coveted assignment,
often associated with efforts to avoid active duty in Vietnam. Bush
was accepted for pilot training after having scored only 25 percent on
the pilot's aptitude test, the lowest acceptable grade.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A7372-2004Feb2?language=printer

Only a fool would believe that his dad did not influence his position
to keep him out of Vietnam.

Alan Ferris

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Jan 25, 2011, 2:24:17 PM1/25/11
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:23:52 -0500, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>"Mike Smith" wrote in message

More than flying them in combat?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A7372-2004Feb2?language=printer

Mike Smith

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On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:23:02 +0000, Alan Ferris
<hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

So what? That does not prove the sid fool's lies.

And why do you care about something that happened over 40 years ago?
Are you attempting to distract from the fact that obama is a complete
failure?

Mike Smith

Pepe Le Jew

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Jan 25, 2011, 7:19:51 PM1/25/11
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In article <ihlg1j$91n$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote:

Then he went on to two terms as governor, two terms as president, life
sucks, eh?

ReverendMoon

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On Jan 16, 8:00 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> "Alan Ferris" <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote :
>
>
>
> >>>  "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> >>>>"Alan Ferris" <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote
> >>>>> Do I hate Bush, I hate the way he has made the world unsafe, I hate
> >>>>> the pointless deaths caused by pointless wars, but no I do not hate
> >>>>> him.  I actually used to find his ignorance quite funny, but then most
> >>>>> of us outside America never took him seriously, he was just too
> >>>>> stupid.
>
> >>>>He was able to manipulate Tony Blair.
> >>>>Which one is stupider?
>
> >>> Blair was just a sycophant.  Complete ass hole, probably slightly
>
> >>He was yours..... not mine.
> >>Don't make excuses for him.
> >>Most people in America today have no idea who is running your country.
> >>That is because he is a minor player with no world voice anymore.
>
> > ROFLMAO!  Taking pride in your ignorance again.  America is struggling
> > like mad to get back all the credibility it lost under Bush.
>
> Not under Nobamma, the world order socialist.
> He recently had his ass kicked, and will soon move to the right.


Not anymore. If you don't support the Tea Party, you're a Marxist
Socialist. No free rides for the big spending republican fat cats
and their supporters any more. I bet that you didn't complain about
Bush and the Republicans big debt and deficits in the old days, and
that makes you as socialist as they come. You just need to pull that
pin head out of your ass and stop allowing Rush to tell you what to
think.

ReverendMoon

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On Jan 21, 3:47 pm, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:06:59 -0600, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
> >On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:09:57 +0000, Alan Ferris
> ><hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:01:42 -0500, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com>
> >>wrote:
>
> >>>"Alan Ferris" <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> >>>news:mrobj61eqh3bn3s5i...@4ax.com...
> >>>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:11:37 -0500, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com>
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>"Alan Ferris" <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

> >>>>>news:5u59j6pmac6ct47fk...@4ax.com...
> >>>>>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 05:41:51 -0600, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>You being the clueless blithering idiot that you are would have no
> >>>>>>>idea that any time a carrier group comes back to port, they hold a
> >>>>>>>mission accomplished party, even if their mission was patrolling off
> >>>>>>>the coast of the Philippines for 9 months.
>
> >>>>>> But it was not back at port when he flew out.  He also was talking to
> >>>>>> the public and not just the carrier group.  You cannot call Iraq a
> >>>>>> victory even now.
>
> >>>>>No one ever has, except maybe Blair, yer buddy.
> >>>>>Of course the carrier was not back at port.
> >>>>>It was about a day or two from entering port.
> >>>>>They were coming home.
> >>>>>Bush flew out from Mirimar to land on the carrier.
> >>>>>Did Blair ever pilot a fighter plane?
>
> >>>> No, but then he did not dodge the draft either.
>
> >>>Bush was a member of the military.  He was a fighter pilot.
> >>>His father was a fighter pilot.
>
> >>Everybody knows he dodged.
>
> >everyone = delusional fools.
>
> So you do not think his daddy used his influence to get him into the
> Guards....you must be one of the few.


Why, didn't you know? Bush was a big time right wing war hero just
like Ted Nugent and Rush Limbaugh.

That's why all three of them are worshiped by their loyal underlings
as flawless heroes who never made mistakes.

Sid9

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========================
sid9 sez:

Correct!
Where he went on wrecking everything he touched.
========================


The PHANTOM

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On Jan 25, 7:30 pm, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "Pepe Le Jew"  wrote in messagenews:Pepster-5EA51F...@news.giganews.com...
>
> In article <ihlg1j$91...@news.eternal-september.org>,

>
>
>
> "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > "Pepe Le Jew"  wrote in message
> >news:Pepster-192710...@news.giganews.com...
>
> > In article <uddpj6de33bghoojgml09980b7ms4oj...@4ax.com>,
> > Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:40:56 -0600, Pepe Le Jew <Peps...@zionet.com>

Sure he did sid. (wink-nudge)

Pepe Le Jew

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Jan 25, 2011, 10:26:26 PM1/25/11
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In article <ihntf2$vrd$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote:

That's the narrative, and to speak against the narrative is, as you say,
indefensible,

The tidy world of the natural totalitarian.

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