Fascism's Legacy: Liberalism
Barry
to insult liberals. Actually, it was coined by a socialist writer,
none other than the respected and influential left-winger H.G. Wells,
who in 1931 called on fellow progressives to become "liberal fascists"
and "enlightened Nazis." Really.
His words, indeed, fit a much larger pattern of fusing socialism with
fascism: Mussolini was a leading socialist figure who, during World
War I, turned away from internationalism in favor of Italian
nationalism and called the blend Fascism. Likewise, Hitler headed the
National Socialist German Workers Party.
These facts jar because they contradict the political spectrum that
has shaped our worldview since the late 1930s, which places communism
at the far left, followed by socialism, liberalism in the center,
conservatism, and then fascism on the far right. But this spectrum,
Jonah Goldberg points out in his brilliant, profound, and original new
book, Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left from
Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning (Doubleday), reflects Stalin's
use of fascist as an epithet to discredit anyone he wished – Trotsky,
Churchill, Russian peasants – and distorts reality. Already in 1946,
George Orwell noted that fascism had degenerated to signify "something
not desirable."
To understand fascism in its full expression requires putting aside
Stalin's misrepresentation of the term and also look beyond the
Holocaust, and instead return to the period Goldberg terms the
"fascist moment," roughly 1910-35. A statist ideology, fascism uses
politics as the tool to transform society from atomized individuals
into an organic whole. It does so by exalting the state over the
individual, expert knowledge over democracy, enforced consensus over
debate, and socialism over capitalism. It is totalitarian in
Mussolini's original meaning of the term, of "Everything in the State,
nothing outside the State, nothing against the State." Fascism's
message boils down to "Enough talk, more action!" Its lasting appeal
is getting things done.
In contrast, conservatism calls for limited government, individualism,
democratic debate, and capitalism. Its appeal is liberty and leaving
citizens alone.
Goldberg's triumph is establishing the kinship between communism,
fascism, and liberalism. All derive from the same tradition that goes
back to the Jacobins of the French Revolution. His revised political
spectrum would focus on the role of the state and go from
libertarianism to conservatism to fascism in its many guises –
American, Italian, German, Russian, Chinese, Cuban, and so on.
As this listing suggests, fascism is flexible; different iterations
differ in specifics but they share "emotional or instinctual
impulses." Mussolini tweaked the socialist agenda to emphasize the
state; Lenin made workers the vanguard party; Hitler added race. If
the German version was militaristic, the American one (which Goldberg
calls liberal fascism) is nearly pacifist. Goldberg quotes historian
Richard Pipes on this point: "Bolshevism and Fascism were heresies of
socialism." He proves this confluence in two ways.
First, he offers a "secret history of the American left":
Woodrow Wilson's Progressivism featured a "militaristic, fanatically
nationalist, imperialist, racist" program, enabled by the exigencies
of World War I.
Franklin D. Roosevelt's "fascist New Deal" built on and extended
Wilson's government.
Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society established the modern welfare
state, "the ultimate fruition" (so far) of this statist tradition.
The youthful New Left revolutionaries of the 1960s brought about "an
Americanized updating" of the European Old Right.
Hillary Clinton hopes "to insert the state deep into family life," an
essential step of the totalitarian project.
To sum up a near-century of history, if the American political system
traditionally encouraged the pursuit of happiness, "more and more of
us want to stop chasing it and have it delivered."
Second, Goldberg dissects American liberal programs – racial,
economic, environmental, even the "cult of the organic" – and shows
their affinities to those of Mussolini and Hitler.
If this summary sounds mind-numbingly implausible, read Liberal
Fascism in full for its colorful quotes and convincing documentation.
The author, hitherto known as a smart, sharp-elbowed polemicist, has
proven himself a major political thinker.
Beyond offering a radically different way to understand modern
politics, in which fascist is no more a slander than socialist,
Goldberg's extraordinary book provides conservatives with the tools to
reply to their liberal tormentors and eventually go on the offensive.
If liberals can eternally raise the specter of Joseph McCarthy,
conservatives can counter with that of Benito Mussolini.
http://townhall.com/Columnists/DanielPipes/2008/01/08/fascisms_legacy_liberalism?page=full
Dr. Barry Worthington
> Liberal fascism sounds like an oxymoron
It doesn't 'sound like' an oxymoron....it is one!
>– or a term for conservatives
> to insult liberals.
Well, let's say people who call themselves 'conservatives'. Genuine
conservatives (on both sides of the Atlantic) have more sense.
>Actually, it was coined by a socialist writer,
> none other than the respected and influential left-winger H.G. Wells,
> who in 1931 called on fellow progressives to become "liberal fascists"
> and "enlightened Nazis." Really.
Indeed. Let's explore this further.The origin of this garbage appears
to be the following article. The
citation is:-
Journal of Contemporary History, Vol. 35, No. 4, 541-558 (2000)
(c) 2000 SAGE Publications
H.G. Wells's 'Liberal Fascism'
Philip Coupland
University of Warwick, UK
And here is the abstract:-
"During the 1930s H.G. Wells's theory of revolutionary praxis centred
around a concept of 'liberal fascism' whereby the Wellsian 'liberal'
utopia would be achieved by an authoritarian élite. Taking
inspiration from the militarized political movements of the 1930s,
this marked a
development in the Wellsian theory of revolution from the 'open
conspiracy' of the 1920s. Although both communist and fascist
movements evinced some of the desired qualities of a Wellsian
vanguard, it was fascism rather than communism which came closest to
Wells's ideal. However, in practice, despite the failure of
approaches to parties of the left and centre as possible agents of
revolution,
Wells rejected the British Union of Fascists. The disparity between
Wells's theory and his actions when faced by the reality of fascism
echoes the unresolved tension between ends and means at the heart of
the concept of 'liberal fascism'. "
You will note the following points:-
'Liberal fascism' refers to a tactic of revolution - the
imposition of a liberal revolution by means of an authoritarian coup
by an elite (possibly commanding a militarised organisation). And
there the resemblance ends....it has nothing whatever to do with the
actual philosophy behind the revolution, which is still essentially
liberal (in the sense of emancipatory) in nature.
Note also that Wells would have nothing to do with actual fascists.
Indeed, he was repelled by them.
But you can see how a second rater like Goldberg might get things
muddled ...
> His words, indeed, fit a much larger pattern of fusing socialism with
> fascism: Mussolini was a leading socialist figure who, during World
> War I, turned away from internationalism in favor of Italian
> nationalism and called the blend Fascism.
Which had nothing in common with socialism. He had the Matteoti, the
italian socialist leader murdered.
>Likewise, Hitler headed the
> National Socialist German Workers Party.
Which also had nothing in common with socialism. He put the Social
Democrats in concentration camps.
>
> These facts jar
Actually, they only do to political illiterates like Goldberg and
yourself...
>because they contradict the political spectrum that
> has shaped our worldview since the late 1930s, which places communism
> at the far left, followed by socialism, liberalism in the center,
> conservatism, and then fascism on the far right. But this spectrum,
> Jonah Goldberg points out in his brilliant, profound, and original new
> book, Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left from
> Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning (Doubleday),
It's actually a pile of crap that was panned in the serious media.
> reflects Stalin's
> use of fascist as an epithet to discredit anyone he wished – Trotsky,
> Churchill, Russian peasants – and distorts reality. Already in 1946,
> George Orwell noted that fascism had degenerated to signify "something
> not desirable."
Orwell was referring to its use as an insult! So what! We all know
that it is used unthinkingly as an insult. Goldberg's book is still
crap, though.
> To understand fascism in its full expression requires putting aside
> Stalin's misrepresentation of the term and also look beyond the
> Holocaust, and instead return to the period Goldberg terms the
> "fascist moment," roughly 1910-35. A statist ideology,
If you define 'stae' as part of a corporate entity, a vision of
society...
>fascism uses
> politics as the tool to transform society from atomized individuals
> into an organic whole.
Well, so does (genuine) conservatism! Or haven't you notices? The
difference is that fascism utilises race as the ultimate poltical
solvent, and (in some versions) outlines a theory of a so-called
revolution.
> It does so by exalting the state over the
> individual, expert knowledge over democracy, enforced consensus over
> debate, and socialism over capitalism.
True socialism is about individual emancipation. Fascism is the exact
opposite.
>It is totalitarian in
> Mussolini's original meaning of the term, of "Everything in the State,
> nothing outside the State, nothing against the State." Fascism's
> message boils down to "Enough talk, more action!" Its lasting appeal
> is getting things done.
>
> In contrast, conservatism calls for limited government,
Not all versions do.
>individualism,
> democratic debate, and capitalism. Its appeal is liberty and leaving
> citizens alone.
That isn't always the case. You see, the problem is that Godberg is
American. All his concepts belong to parts of the American right.
That's why some reviewers say that he doesn't understand fascism,
which stands in a European political tradition.
>
> Goldberg's triumph is establishing the kinship between communism,
> fascism, and liberalism.
Which he cannot do, because such kinship does not exist.
>All derive from the same tradition that goes
> back to the Jacobins of the French Revolution.
Really? And not Thomas Acquinas? Or Aristotle?
>His revised political
> spectrum would focus on the role of the state and go from
> libertarianism to conservatism to fascism in its many guises –
> American, Italian, German, Russian, Chinese, Cuban, and so on.
Cuban fascism????
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Boy, you people are in trouble!!!!!
Dr. Barry Worthington
~ RHF
wrote:
DrBW,
Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that Liberal-Fascism
Does Exist in the 21st Century is an Tired Old Argument.
-ps- Yeah We Got Trouble Right Here In Liberal City !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah_Goldberg
http://liberalfascism.nationalreview.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsFoiVZDSRs
"Everything You Know About Fascism Is Wrong"
http://books.google.com/books?id=wHihWKJE3asC&dq=Liberal+Fascism&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=Yb83SreFFoPKlAeQ773rDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7#PPA7,M1
.
"Liberal-Fascist" are those American Liberals
-aka- One World Liberal Elitists Socialists {OWLES}
* Envirogenda : Green By Any Means
That use Fascist Methods and Tactics to Achieve
and Maintain Power over the Masses. Again the
Truth of Liberal-Fascism : Liberal-Fascism Exists :
don't deny it, Don't Deny It. DON'T DENY IT !
.
Fascist Techniques and Means to Achieve Fascist
Totalitarian Goals and Political Dominance over the
Masses can be employed by anyone including the
Left-Wing and so call Progressives and Liberals.
.
Call it Neo-LiIberal-Fascism -or- Neuvo-Liberal-Fascism
21st-Century-Liberal-Fascism in the end it is Fascism.
.
The ObamaSpeakers© Denying That "Liberal-Fascism" Exists
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/20943adbe30480e1
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/22d3aa8461de1401
~ibid~
.
The Validity of the Term "Liberal Fascist"
? Can It Exist?
? Does It Exist ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/af4569002bba33ca
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/efbc4aa52f959d40
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/55070611dd003a01
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/dee38e44a0d1c320
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/f95e688bb0612c63
~ibid~
.
Obama-Regime© Using Left-Wing Radial High Tech
Media Shout-Down BARACKING©
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/8e579a6b903e62b1
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/3adda4284110e71f
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/59dcfdaa2b7cbc2d
.
Don't Let The Truth Be Told : Manufacturing the Democrat
Half-Truth and Liberal Media Lie by Distorting the Facts
and Reality.
~ibid~
.
Therefore It Follows . . . -from- Wikipedia
The National Socialist German Workers' Party
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_German_Workers%E2%80%...
(German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei)
Abbreviated NSDAP), commonly known in English
as the NAZI Party
(Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei)
was a political party in Germany between 1919 and 1945.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi
It was known as the German Workers' Party (DAP)
.
Today we have 21st Century "Liberal-Fascism"
and the Liberal-Fascist Agents of Social Change.
-aka- The Democrat Party of the USA attempting
to Socialize the Nation under their One Party Control
with their Charismatic Leader {Totalitarian} Barack
'Hussein' Obama . -aka- Change You Can Believe In !
-aka- "The Third Way" via Fascism Authoritarian {Elitist}
and Totalitarian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_position
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism
.
The Validity of the Term "Liberal-Fascist"
? Can Liberal-Fascism Exist?
? Do Liberal-Fascists Exist ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/af4569002bba33ca
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/efbc4aa52f959d40
~ibid~
.
Denying the potential existence of 'Liberal-Fascism'
does not change the fact that 'Liberal-Fascism' may
and can exist in the world today.
.
Liberal-Fascist :
Employing the Justification, Means and Tactics of
Fascism {National Socialism} to Achieve the Ends
of a One Party Liberal {Socialist} Agenda is what
has morphed into "Liberal-Fascism" and those who
are the Agents-of-One-Party-Socialist-Change are
in-fact Liberal-Fascist.
* Classically Fascism had one reasoned definition
in the early 1900s. -but- Time Changes Words and
their Meanings . . .
.
Time often changes Words and the Meaning
of Words; and that is part of the Evolution of
Language with the Passage of Time.
.
Hence the use of the 'Hyphen' between the Two
Words Linking Them and Uniting Them into One
Compound Word with a New Meaning and Usage.
"Liberal-Fascism" & "Liberal-Fascist"
.
Liberal & Fascist have now become One Newly
'Hyphenated' {Combination} Word "Liberal-Fascist"
with it's own new unique meaning.
.
ObamaNistas© {Liberal-Fascists} Worried About
"The Great Leader's" Socialist Economic Competence
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9876df6e26d1b4c8
~ibid~
.
'dbw' - history could be repeating itself . . .
all over again - idtars ~ RHF {Hey That's Me ~ibid~}
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m II
> Indeed. Let's explore this further.The origin of this garbage appears
> to be the following article.
Casting pearls before swine, Doctor?
mike
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Densa International�
For the OTHER two percent.
Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage,
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Google Groups or HOTMAIL address.
I also filter everything from a .cn server.
For solutions which may work for you, please check:
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~ RHF
> Dr. Barry Worthington wrote:
> > Indeed. Let's explore this further.The origin of this garbage appears
> > to be the following article.
>
-
- mike
Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that
Liberal-Fascism Does Exist in the 21st
Century is an Tired Old Argument.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7fd91b4a2e4429c9
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>
> Densa International©
Dr. Barry Worthington
> On Jun 16, 9:15 am, m II <c...@in.the.hat> wrote:> Dr. Barry Worthington wrote:
> > > Indeed. Let's explore this further.The origin of this garbage appears
> > > to be the following article.
>
> - Casting pearls before swine, Doctor?
> -
> - mike
>
> Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that
> Liberal-Fascism Does Exist in the 21st
> Century is an Tired Old Argument.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7fd91b4a2e4429c9
I have tried to respond to your original reply, but the system will
not let me. So I will answer here.
Firstly, I expect you to answer the points that I made in my posting.
If you cannot, I am not prepared to to deal with a lot of citations
from a variety of sites that appear to be hagiography of Jonah
Goldberg. Do you have an opinion on the Coupland article? Or are you
just conent to parrot any amount of junk?
Secondly, I should point out that a number of us have had problems
with the wikipedia site entry for Liberal Fascism, since someone is
determined to revert material that is posted about H.G. Wells on this
matter.
Dr. Barry Worthington
>
>
>
>
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> > / /\ \/ /\'Think tanks cleaned cheap' /\ \/ /
> > /_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/
>
> > Densa International©
> > For the OTHER two percent.
>
> > Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage,
> > I block all postings with a Gmail, Google Mail,
> > Google Groups or HOTMAIL address.
> > I also filter everything from a .cn server.
>
> > For solutions which may work for you, please check:
> > http://improve-usenet.org/- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
~ RHF
wrote:
> On 16 June, 17:20, "~ RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 16, 9:15 am, m II <c...@in.the.hat> wrote:> Dr. Barry Worthington wrote:
> > > > Indeed. Let's explore this further.The origin of this garbage appears
> > > > to be the following article.
>
> > - Casting pearls before swine, Doctor?
> > -
> > - mike
>
> > Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that
> > Liberal-Fascism Does Exist in the 21st
> > Century is an Tired Old Argument.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7fd91b4a2e4429c9
>
> I have tried to respond to your original reply, but the system will
> not let me. So I will answer here.
>
- that I made in my posting.
Why is that some sort of 'rule' ?
- If you cannot,
-or- Simply 'choose' not to.
- I am not prepared to to deal with a lot of
- citations from a variety of sites that appear
- to be hagiography of Jonah Goldberg.
Ditto back at you.
- Do you have an opinion on the Coupland article?
Nah just my 'opinions' -ibid-
Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that
Liberal-Fascism Does Exist in the 21st
Century is an Tired Old Argument.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7fd91b4a2e4429c9
Or are you just conent to parrot any amount of junk?
DrBW - 'parrot' 'junk' now now be nice.
- Secondly, I should point out that a number
- of us have had problems with the wikipedia
- site entry for Liberal Fascism, since someone
- is determined to revert material that is posted
- about H.G. Wells on this matter.
- Dr. Barry Worthington
Yeah WikiPedia ain't perfect. "Liberal Fascism"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism
Is about the Book : Liberal Fascism : The Secret
History of the American Left, From Mussolini to
the Politics of Meaning -by- Jonah Goldberg
* Positive Views
* Negative Views
Denying that "Liberal-Fascism" Exists and
the Validity of the Term "Liberal-Fascist" in
the 21st Century does not change the Fact
or 'possibility' that :
"Liberal-Fascism" Can It Exist ?
"Liberal-Fascism" Does It Exist ?
* Words and Their Meanings Do Evolve
with the Passage of Time
* Social and Political Movements Do Change
as People Migrate to and from them.
consider the possibilities and realities
beyond a textbook answer ~ RHF
.
Dr. Barry Worthington
> On Jun 16, 9:54 am, "Dr. Barry Worthington" <sh...@abertay.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 16 June, 17:20, "~ RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 16, 9:15 am, m II <c...@in.the.hat> wrote:> Dr. Barry Worthington wrote:
> > > > > Indeed. Let's explore this further.The origin of this garbage appears
> > > > > to be the following article.
>
> > > - Casting pearls before swine, Doctor?
> > > -
> > > - mike
>
> > > Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that
> > > Liberal-Fascism Does Exist in the 21st
> > > Century is an Tired Old Argument.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7fd91b4a2e4429c9
>
> > I have tried to respond to your original reply, but the system will
> > not let me. So I will answer here.
>
> - Firstly, I expect you to answer the points
> - that I made in my posting.
>
> Why is that some sort of 'rule' ?
Why,yes! It's one of the rules of argument that most of us follow. Not
you, it seems....
>
> - If you cannot,
>
> -or- Simply 'choose' not to.
>
> - I am not prepared to to deal with a lot of
> - citations from a variety of sites that appear
> - to be hagiography of Jonah Goldberg.
>
> Ditto back at you.
Ditto? What relevant points have you made?
>
> - Do you have an opinion on the Coupland article?
>
> Nah just my 'opinions' -ibid-
So you can't really answer my criticism of the original posting?
Surprise, surprise!
> Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that
> Liberal-Fascism Does Exist in the 21st
> Century is an Tired Old Argument.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7fd91b4a2e4429c9
Yes, you don't have to cite this junk again. Look, we cannot avoid
talking about 1930s definitions, since Wells used this term in the
1930s. We have to understand what he meant by it. It's a largely
forgotten historical episode, that is until Goldberg discovered it and
thought it suited his purpose. He distorted Wells's concept to suit
his own ends. If you read Coupland (and others who have researched
this period) you will know that Goldberg is a blithering idiot.
> Or are you just conent to parrot any amount of junk?
>
> DrBW - 'parrot' 'junk' now now be nice.
But that is what you seem to do. Don't you have any opinions of your
own?
> - Secondly, I should point out that a number
> - of us have had problems with the wikipedia
> - site entry for Liberal Fascism, since someone
> - is determined to revert material that is posted
> - about H.G. Wells on this matter.
> - Dr. Barry Worthington
>
> Yeah WikiPedia ain't perfect. "Liberal Fascism"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism
> Is about the Book : Liberal Fascism : The Secret
> History of the American Left, From Mussolini to
> the Politics of Meaning -by- Jonah Goldberg
Indeed it is, since only Goldberg has used the term since the 1930s.
Now if you take the bother to read the actual article, you will find
that Goldberg himself claims to have been inspired by Wells's concept.
But some idiot seems to revert every attempt that we make to compare
Wells's views with Goldberg's....
> * Positive Views
> * Negative Views
> Denying that "Liberal-Fascism" Exists and
> the Validity of the Term "Liberal-Fascist" in
> the 21st Century does not change the Fact
> or 'possibility' that :
> "Liberal-Fascism" Can It Exist ?
> "Liberal-Fascism" Does It Exist ?
> * Words and Their Meanings Do Evolve
> with the Passage of Time
> * Social and Political Movements Do Change
> as People Migrate to and from them.
Yes. People do use terms wrongly, and they become insults. But it is a
fantasy to suggest that the underlying ideology of fascism changed as
a result.
> consider the possibilities and realities
> beyond a textbook answer ~ RHF
What textbook answer? In the original posting I cited an academic
article.
Now, unless you have anything of value to say, please go away...
Dr. Barry Worthington
> .- Hide quoted text -
Barry
wrote:
>
> What textbook answer?
Todays textbooks are now written by Ne0-Kommies. Take your Ne0-Kommie
propaganda textbooks and shove them up your professorships's fat lazy
ass!
Professor, my ass - ROTFLMAO!!!!
> In the original posting I cited an academic
> article.
So what! That doesn't mean squat! Most Liberal Fascists cite
"academic" articles because most academics are Liberal Fascists and
most authors of academic articles and textbooks are Liberal Fascists.
They all write Circle-Jerk logik - exactly how your close Komrad and
Kolleague writes - Noam Chomsky - commonly citing himself. Citing
oneself in any arguement is another sure sign your are conversing with
a Liberal Fascist.
What matters is what is being observed - Liberal Fascism, today, right
now - Barak0 "Hussein" 0baMa0
Not what "you" THINK, "Barry Worthington",PhD - Piled highest &
Deepest!
> Now, unless you have anything of value to say, please go away...
WE are not going anywhere. WE are staying right here to be in your
face a long, long time.
> Dr. Barry Worthington
Ja, HEIL HITLER!
Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From
Mussolini to the Politics of Change
(NOW AVAILABLE IN PAPERBACK) http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-American-Mussolini-Politics/dp/0767917189/
Barry
wrote:
>
> (Rest of sh*t deleted.)
>
> Boy, you people are in trouble!!!!!
>
> Dr. Barry Worthington
And it's all your fault!
Yet ANOTHER Liberal Fascist!
Name: Dr. Barry Worthington
Location: Abertay University, Dundee - (rolling eyes)
Title: Tourism Lecturer - bwaHAHAHAHAHA!
Industry: Education - Liberal Fascism
Email address: sh...@abertay.ac.uk
About me: "I AM A SOCIALIST" - ROTFLMAO!
Ja, on the road to serfdom - HEIL HITLER HerR Professor!
pffft-bwaHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
~ RHF
- Now, unless you have anything of value to say, please go away...
- Dr. Barry Worthington
DrBW - Here To Stay Here To Stay ~ RHF
-ps- the value of being here
.
Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that
Liberal-Fascism Does Exist in the 21st
Century is an Tired Old Argument.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7fd91b4a2e4429c9
.
"Liberal Fascism"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism
Is about the Book : Liberal Fascism : The Secret
History of the American Left, From Mussolini to
the Politics of Meaning -by- Jonah Goldberg
* Positive Views
* Negative Views
Denying that "Liberal-Fascism" Exists and
the Validity of the Term "Liberal-Fascist" in
the 21st Century does not change the Fact
or 'possibility' that :
"Liberal-Fascism" Can It Exist ?
"Liberal-Fascism" Does It Exist ?
1st - Words and Their Meanings Do Evolve
with the Passage of Time
2nd - Social and Political Movements Do Change
as People Migrate to and from them.
consider the possibilities and realities
beyond a old 'liberal' and old 'fascism'
morphing into the new 'liberal-fascism' ~ RHF
.
FWIW - Please Note the -Hyphen- between the
two words 'liberal' and 'fascism' linking them
into One Idea {Concept} "Liberal-Fascism"
"Liberal-Fascism" with over 6-Million 'Hits'
it's a Virtual Reality in the 21st Century.
.
Liberal Fascism :
The Secret History of the American Left,
From Mussolini to the Politics of Change
http://www.google.com/search?q=Liberal-Fascism
"Liberal-Fascism" with over 6-Million 'hits'
it's a virtual reality in the 21st Century.
.
Dr. Barry Worthington
How old are you?
At the moment, you are being very silly....in fact, rather boring.
Now, as you are incapable of arguing a point, you are wasting my time.
Goodbye,
Dr. Barry Worthington
>
> Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From
> Mussolini to the Politics of Change
> (NOW AVAILABLE IN PAPERBACK)http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-American-Mussolini-Politics/dp/...
Dr. Barry Worthington
> Century is an Tired Old Argument.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7fd91b4a2e4429c9
> From Mussolini to the Politics of Changehttp://www.google.com/search?q=Liberal-Fascism
> "Liberal-Fascism" with over 6-Million 'hits'
> it's a virtual reality in the 21st Century.
If you are not prepared to argue with me, you can bugger off and stop
wasting my time!
Goodbye,
~ RHF
- - - Now, unless you have anything of value to say,
- - - please go away... Dr. Barry Worthington
- - DrBW - Here To Stay Here To Stay ~ RHF
- - -ps- the value of being here
- - .
- - Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that
- - Liberal-Fascism Does Exist in the 21st
- - Century is an Tired Old Argument.http://groups.google.com/group/
rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7fd91b4a2e4429c9
- - .
- - "Liberal Fascism"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism
- - Is about the Book : Liberal Fascism : The Secret
- - History of the American Left, From Mussolini to
- - the Politics of Meaning -by- Jonah Goldberg
- - * Positive Views
- - * Negative Views
- -
- - Denying that "Liberal-Fascism" Exists and
- - the Validity of the Term "Liberal-Fascist" in
- - the 21st Century does not change the Fact
- - or 'possibility' that :
- - "Liberal-Fascism" Can It Exist ?
- - "Liberal-Fascism" Does It Exist ?
- - 1st - Words and Their Meanings Do Evolve
- - with the Passage of Time
- - 2nd - Social and Political Movements Do Change
- - as People Migrate to and from them.
- -
- - consider the possibilities and realities
- - beyond a old 'liberal' and old 'fascism'
- - morphing into the new 'liberal-fascism' ~ RHF
- - .
- - FWIW - Please Note the -Hyphen- between the
- - two words 'liberal' and 'fascism' linking them
- - into One Idea {Concept} "Liberal-Fascism"
- - "Liberal-Fascism" with over 6-Million 'Hits'
- - it's a Virtual Reality in the 21st Century.
- - .
- - Liberal Fascism :
- - The Secret History of the American Left,
- - From Mussolini to the Politics of Change
- - http://www.google.com/search?q=Liberal-Fascism
- - "Liberal-Fascism" with over 6-Million 'hits'
- - it's a virtual reality in the 21st Century.
- If you are not prepared to argue with me,
DrBW 'argue'
Opinions are Opinions -and- I am of the 'opinion' that :
1st - Words and Their Meanings Do Evolve
with the Passage of Time
2nd - Social and Political Movements Do Change
as People Migrate to and from them.
RESULT - With over 6-Million 'hits' for the term
"Liberal-Fascism" is a virtual reality in the 21st Century.
[ Can't Kill the Idea {Concept} By Denying It. ]
- you can bugger off and stop wasting my time!
DrBW 'you {i} can bugger-off'
That's not likely.
DrBW 'stop wasting my {your} time'
Only You Can Do That -unless- You have
surrendered control of your life over to me.
- Goodbye,
- Dr. Barry Worthington
truly let your goodbye be your goodbye
while i will simply say bye bye for now ~ RHF
-ps- For I remain RHF a 'Really Happy Fella'
.
Day Brown
> Liberal fascism sounds like an oxymoron � or a term for conservatives
> to insult liberals. Actually, it was coined by a socialist writer,
> none other than the respected and influential left-winger H.G. Wells,
> who in 1931 called on fellow progressives to become "liberal fascists"
> and "enlightened Nazis." Really.
Their use of the language is less academic and more accepting of the
ambiguity of people, their ideologies, and organizations. However, they
too suffer from group think and even worse political correctness.
But consider where the rubber actually hits the road, in a court hearing
for sanity, where they can present the drivel of insane rants to prove
that a deviant thinker needs meds and better case management. It will
not matter whether the government thinks it is liberal, conservative, or
for that matter, fascist.
This is not a trial by jury. You dont get an attorney. They get to pick
the judge. If you respond with flaming rather than polite discourse of
ideas you do not like, they will suggest this is typical for neurotics.
Women are more aware of how men will corrupt any system you can design
in order to get the perks and money for status symbols hoping for more
sex with younger more attractive hotties.
The history of matriarchic political and economic systems is obscure
largely because patriarchic academia went along with what the scribes in
the pay of an alpha male military elite wanted recorded. But whether the
system was more socialistic or more capitalistic, we see a lower cost of
management with relatively better conditions for the lower classes.
News Journalism
> Barry wrote:
> > Liberalfascismsounds like an oxymoron – or a term for conservatives
American socialists spread fascism worldwide. Francis Bellamy (along
with other American socialists, including Francis' famous cousin
Edward Bellamy) spread fascist symbolism in the United States first,
and then globally. http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html
The Bellamys wanted government to take over all schools. That is why a
flag is over every school and in every classroom, accompanied by
robotic chanting every morning for 12 years of every American child's
life. http://rexcurry.net/pledge-allegiance-pledge-allegiance.jpg
That behavior influenced Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts (from
1907) and other Americans who spread the USA's "Nazi" salute
worldwide, and the swastika, and robotic chanting to flags in military
formation. http://rexcurry.net/pledge-of-allegiance-scouting.html
The early salute to the flag in the Pledge of Allegiance was the
notorious stiff-arm salute. The salute (and the robotic chanting to
the flag) began in 1892 with Francis when he was a self-proclaimed
American socialist in the Nationalism movement. It was adopted later
by the National Socialist German Workers Party.
http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-pledge.html
The flag of the U.S. government is fasciate. The flag's 13 fasciae
(bands or stripes) are red and white. The fasciated flag's authority
and its early stiff-arm salute were reinforced by the U.S.
government's use of the fasces symbol. The government still uses the
fasces today.
The fasces [fas-eez] symbol shows a bundle of rods banded or fastened
around an ax with the blade projecting. The words "fasten" and "band"
are used because they are related to the word "Fascism." The fasces
symbolized how everyone was bound to the authoritarianism of ancient
Rome.
Here is another reason why the socialist role in Fascism is
fascinating: "fascinating" means "spellbinding" (fastened or banded by
a spell), making the words related to "fasces." The fascinating role
of American socialists includes the Theosophical Society, Freemasons,
swastika symbols and the spellbinding effect of socialist dogma for
seducing groups and enslaving and killing millions of people
worldwide.
In rural Italy to this day a woman who suspects her husband of
infidelity will consult a strega, who will give her a fascino, a charm
to stop him from straying.
Long ago, money was socialized in the U.S. (the Federal Reserve Act
was imposed in 1913). The fasces is still commonly seen on some 25
cent coins. http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism2a.jpg In 1915,
fasces appeared on an Indian head gold coin in the talons of an eagle.
In 1916, fasces appeared on the Mercury dime.
It was much later that the symbol was adopted by Mussolini when he was
a well-known socialist leader. http://rexcurry.net/mussolini.html
The fasces symbol appears in Congress http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism4a.jpg
and is used in other government seals and symbols
http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism3b.jpg
The fasces is on the seal of the Rome Academy where Francis Bellamy
(1855-1932) attended school. http://rexcurry.net/fascist-flag.jpg
Francis resided in Rome, New York. The Rome Free Academy exists today
and its seal continues to display two fasces. Many cities in the state
of New York have names from classical history (Troy, Ithaca, Syracuse,
Utica, Rome) and that is why New York is the "Empire State," a
reference to the Roman empire, and origin of the term "Empire State
Building" for New York City's famous landmark.
The Pledge's right-arm salute was repeated in early movies containing
fictional Roman scenes. Movies were new worldwide wonders that amazed
and influenced everyone (including the socialist Mussolini in Italy
and the leader of the National Socialist German Workers' Party).
http://rexcurry.net/american-philological-association-apa.html
All of the above contributed to the Roman salute myth (the myth that
the stiff-arm salute was an ancient Roman salute), debunked by the
etymologist Dr. Rex Curry (author of "Pledge of Allegiance Secrets").
http://rexcurry.net/roman-salute-metropolitan-museum-of-art.html
The stiff-armed American salute spread through various groups
including the Theosophical Society and Freemasons that supported or
were supported by Edward Bellamy and Francis Bellamy.
In 1888, Edward Bellamy authored "Looking Backward" and it became an
international bestseller, translated into every major language,
including German and Italian.
Bellamy's book was known as the bible of National Socialism and it
inspired Nationalism movements worldwide. The Bellamy's touted
"military socialism." Madame Blavatsky, founder of the Theosophical
Society, openly endorsed Bellamy's book. Her group worked with
Bellamy's Nationalism movement.
http://rexcurry.net/theosophy-madame-blavatsky-theosophical-society.html
The swastika symbol was used by the Theosophical Society (from 1875)
during the time when the Bellamys, Freemasons and the Theosophical
Society worked together to promote socialism. http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-swastika.html
American socialists bear some blame for altering the notorious symbol
used as overlapping S-letters for "socialism" under the National
Socialist German Workers Party. http://rexcurry.net/swastika3clear.jpg
As German socialism's notorious flag symbol, the swastika was
deliberately turned 45 degrees to the horizontal and always oriented
in the S-direction. Similar alphabetic symbolism is still visible as
Volkswagen logos. http://rexcurry.net/swastika-audi-logo.JPG
Near the same period, the well-known and long-time socialist Benito
Mussolini began to mimick American socialists in their use of the
stiff-arm salute, robotic chanting to flags, the use of the fasces as
a symbol of government, and the glorification of ancient Rome (or
myths about Rome). In 1921, Mussolini (who acquired his title "il
duce" -leader- when he was known only as a socialist, long before his
new f-word for socialist faction) created a new sub-group called Fasci
di combattimento. The term "fascio" was the Italian word for workers'
groups, peasant organizations, labor unions and the other socialist
groups where Mussolini had developed a large following. It meant
"band," or people banding together, and referred to his socialist band
of combat. It is similar to the word "faction" in that Mussolini's
group was another of many socialist-inspired factions.
When Mussolini chose the ancient Roman fasces as a symbol of his
socialist group, he was at the same time playing with the similarity
of the words fascio and fasces, choosing an ancient symbol, and
drawing a parallel between it and the socialists who had banded
together, spellbound by Mussolini's leadership.
Another well-known socialist at that time was the leader of the
National Socialist Workers Party in Germany (Hitler acquired the title
"Furher" -leader- when he fascinated socialist groups, long before
others applied new terms to his socialism). He had expanded the name
of the party from "German Workers Party" at the same time that the
swastika was adopted to represent S-letters banded together and
symbolizing socialists banding together as the NSDAP.
http://rexcurry.net/swastika-hakenkreuz-oxford-english-dictionary.html
An American socialist group supported German socialists, and it was
named the "German-American Bund" (German American Band or "Faction").
Mussolini's evolution of the fasces is similar to Hitler's evolution
of an old symbol, the hakenkreuz (hooked cross) into modern alphabetic
symbolism as "S" letters for "socialism," as shown in Dr. Curry's
work. http://rexcurry.net/fascism-third-reich-hitler-nazism-swastika456.jpg
In late 1937, Mussolini continued to work with other socialists,
including the National Socialist German Workers Party. Mussolini
visited Germany in 1937 and pledged himself to support the National
Socialist German Workers’ Party. In 1939, the National Socialist
German Workers' Party joined as allies with the Union of Soviet
Socialist Republics to invade Poland in a pact to divide up Europe,
spreading WWII.
During the second of the Dark Ages, socialism (a.k.a. Fascism) became
fashionable, with fancy military uniforms, marching parades, and flag
waving adoration. It led to modern inquisitions and the socialist
Wholecaust (of which the Holocaust was a part): 60 million slaughtered
under the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics; 50 million under the
Peoples' Republic of China; 20 million under the National Socialist
German Workers' Party. The worst inquisitions were the modern
inquisitions (the socialist inquisitions), and they were the
deadliest. Socialism/Fascism became unfashionable.
The Dark Age also refers to the period in Europe from the fall of
Rome. The socialist Dark Age resulted from mimicking ancient Rome -
and myths about Rome - as if to resurrect them.
American socialists had revived the fasces (and the swastika) and what
it represented: fastening, binding and enslaving individuals to a
centralized leviathan. Socialism fastens everyone to involuntary
government programs and modern slavery. It binds everyone to
bureaucracy.
America is still the worst example in the world of bizarre laws that
lead robotic chanting to the fasciate federal flag in government
schools (socialist schools) every day for 12 years of every child's
life. It has changed generations of Americans from libertarians to
authoritarians.
The ax in the fasces represents the constant threat of violence toward
all who desire freedom.
Michael Coburn
> On Jun 17, 10:55 pm, Day Brown <dayhbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Barry wrote:
>> > Liberalfascismsounds like an oxymoron – or a term for conservatives
>> > to insult liberals. Actually, it was coined by a socialist writer,
>> > none other than the respected and influential left-winger H.G. Wells,
>> > who in 1931 called on fellow progressives to become "liberal
>> > fascists" and "enlightened Nazis." Really.
So let me get this straight.... Since one asshole used the word fascism
for its warlike unity of purpose connotations wen trying to organize some
left wing moonbats we are supposed to utterly change the meaning of
fascism and socialism so as to make them contemporary bedfellows. Is
that about it?
Your attempt to call political parties and political movements, other
then latter day Republicans, "fascist" is noted. The Republican Party of
the United States of America is the most similar organization to fascism
of any and all groups on this planet. Labor unions are not fascist and
are fundamentally opposed to the central ideals of fascism. The call for
unity is not the hallmark of fascism any more than the call for freedom
and liberty are the hallmark of pseudo capitalism. The call for unity
exists in every form or organized endeavor.
>> Let me pour in a new flavor and stir the pot. Women are taking over.
>> Their use of the language is less academic and more accepting of the
>> ambiguity of people, their ideologies, and organizations. However, they
>> too suffer from group think and even worse political correctness.
Which again, has not a damned thing to do with fascism.
>> But consider where the rubber actually hits the road, in a court
>> hearing for sanity, where they can present the drivel of insane rants
>> to prove that a deviant thinker needs meds and better case management.
>> It will not matter whether the government thinks it is liberal,
>> conservative, or for that matter, fascist.
>>
>> This is not a trial by jury. You dont get an attorney. They get to pick
>> the judge. If you respond with flaming rather than polite discourse of
>> ideas you do not like, they will suggest this is typical for neurotics.
>>
>> Women are more aware of how men will corrupt any system you can design
>> in order to get the perks and money for status symbols hoping for more
>> sex with younger more attractive hotties.
>>
>> The history of matriarchic political and economic systems is obscure
>> largely because patriarchic academia went along with what the scribes
>> in the pay of an alpha male military elite wanted recorded. But whether
>> the system was more socialistic or more capitalistic, we see a lower
>> cost of management with relatively better conditions for the lower
>> classes.
> American socialists spread fascism worldwide.
Here we go again: The effort to paint the Republican party is something
other than fascist by associating socialism with fascism. The actual
definition of fascism tells us that fascism is the antithesis of
socialism. But the conservatives and the latter day Republicans are
doing all they can to redefine the word:
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pgc.asp?page=mod/mussolini-fascism.html --
..Fascism [is] the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism, the
materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained
simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups
and by the change and development in the means and instruments of
production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in
heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive,
direct or indirect.
------------------------------------------------------------
The above link and the excerpt are from an encyclopedia entry created by
none other then Benito Mussolini in which he describes "fascism".
> Francis Bellamy (along
> with other American socialists, including Francis' famous cousin Edward
> Bellamy) spread fascist symbolism in the United States first, and then
> globally. http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html
If you want to see some real serious brain damaged crap go to the top
link of the stupidity http://rexcurry.net
The newspeak dictionary project is alive and well.
>
> The Bellamys wanted government to take over all schools. That is why a
> flag is over every school and in every classroom, accompanied by robotic
> chanting every morning for 12 years of every American child's life.
> http://rexcurry.net/pledge-allegiance-pledge-allegiance.jpg
>
> That behavior influenced Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts (from
> 1907) and other Americans who spread the USA's "Nazi" salute worldwide,
> and the swastika, and robotic chanting to flags in military formation.
> http://rexcurry.net/pledge-of-allegiance-scouting.html
>
> The early salute to the flag in the Pledge of Allegiance was the
> notorious stiff-arm salute. The salute (and the robotic chanting to the
> flag) began in 1892 with Francis when he was a self-proclaimed American
> socialist in the Nationalism movement. It was adopted later by the
> National Socialist German Workers Party.
> http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-pledge.html
>
> The flag of the U.S. government is fasciate. The flag's 13 fasciae
> (bands or stripes) are red and white. The fasciated flag's authority and
> its early stiff-arm salute were reinforced by the U.S. government's use
> of the fasces symbol. The government still uses the fasces today.
>
> The fasces [fas-eez] symbol shows a bundle of rods banded or fastened
> around an ax with the blade projecting. The words "fasten" and "band"
> are used because they are related to the word "Fascism." The fasces
> symbolized how everyone was bound to the authoritarianism of ancient
> Rome.
>
> Here is another reason why the socialist role in Fascism is fascinating:
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< remaining stupidity deleted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson
Day Brown
the Great Earth Mother, aka Gaia, Potnia, Hera, Juno, Venus, Dianna,
Astarte, Sophia, Aphrodite, Freya, Brigit... and many more, you find out
there are so many names cause nobody went to war over what the name
should be.
They didnt have jackasses trying to define terms for everyone else; it
was a system built on consensus. And we see them in the postings all the
time, with their own definitions of terms so they can have strawmen.
Its one of the problems going on in Iran right now. Any top down system,
be it fascism, socialism, capitalism, communism, or whatever is in
trouble because the party line can no longer be sold without being taken
apart in venues like this line by line, to see what it says, and what it
fails to say.
Dr. Barry Worthington
> On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 07:25:39 -0700, News Journalism wrote:
> > On Jun 17, 10:55 pm, Day Brown <dayhbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Barry wrote:
> >> > Liberalfascismsounds like an oxymoron – or a term for conservatives
> >> > to insult liberals. Actually, it was coined by a socialist writer,
> >> > none other than the respected and influential left-winger H.G. Wells,
> >> > who in 1931 called on fellow progressives to become "liberal
> >> > fascists" and "enlightened Nazis." Really.
>
> So let me get this straight.... Since one asshole used the word fascism
> for its warlike unity of purpose connotations wen trying to organize some
> left wing moonbats we are supposed to utterly change the meaning of
> fascism and socialism so as to make them contemporary bedfellows. Is
> that about it?
Wells wasn't an "asshole", but a very intelligent man. But, yes,
that's about it. He was interested in the tactical use of force to
bring about his ideals, but that's as far as it went. He was repelled
by the actual fascist ideology. Goldberg has found this rather arcane
and forgotton episode from the 1930s and re-fashioned it for his own
purposes.
> Your attempt to call political parties and political movements, other
> then latter day Republicans, "fascist" is noted. The Republican Party of
> the United States of America is the most similar organization to fascism
> of any and all groups on this planet. Labor unions are not fascist and
> are fundamentally opposed to the central ideals of fascism. The call for
> unity is not the hallmark of fascism any more than the call for freedom
> and liberty are the hallmark of pseudo capitalism. The call for unity
> exists in every form or organized endeavor.
I don't think that your Republican leaders are fascists. But I do
think that they are very stupid....
Dr. Barry Worthington
> > globally.http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html
> "Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
dave
Hence libertarian socialism.
Day Brown
government. Shrinks call it cognitive dissonance.
Christopher Helms
wrote:
> On 16 June, 00:31, Barry <obamao.sux.donki.dix...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Liberal fascism sounds like an oxymoron
>
> It doesn't 'sound like' an oxymoron....it is one!
They're still pushing Goldbergs imbecilic claim that Mussolini's
"Ultimate merging of state and corporate power" is liberal. Well,
somebody forgot to tell the Republicans, because that was the meaning
of life for them for the last eight years. Letting corporations run an
extremely militaristic government while letting them set policy, carry
out wars-for-profit, letting them write their own legislation and then
letting them sponge off the taxpayers after they looted the country is
not even distantly related to that capitalism hating liberalism we're
always hearing about and being accused of fostering. It should also be
noted that the same people pushing this line of BS are simultaneously
calling Obama a Marxist. This isn't even worth arguing about. It's
just another piece of right wing driftwood, like "The Holocaust museum
shooter was a liberal" or "Obama is a secret Muslim."
Day Brown
if not, then WTF is it?