Will Rand Die?
Benjamin A. Kesler
Does anyone else think that the only way the Light will win is for Rand to
die? It seems to be leading up to that, with his maddness growing stronger
every day, and with his two deadly wounds....
What do ya think?
Neil Winchell
In article <01bb8b47$47d06840$ae19...@PTulkas.3lefties.com>,
tul...@3lefties.com says...
Personally, I don't think so. Although it is a feasible outcome, I
can't believe that RJ would end the life of one of his main charactors.
Besides, the prophecy only states that "his blood" would be spilt on
the rocks. While many may think this indicates his death, all it would
take to fulfill this prophecy would be Rand to bleed on the rocks and
POOF! Prophecy fulfilled.
Neil Winchell
Djolinn
Well yes, it is looking that way. But can you imagine what would happen
to the nice happy ending fantasy stories are supposed to have? All that it
says is his blood on the rocks it doesn't demand his life. ( In fact it
could even be a child of his.....0
Djolinn
PAUL GUNTHER
"Benjamin A. Kesler" <tul...@3lefties.com> wrote:
>Does anyone else think that the only way the Light will win is for Rand to
>die? It seems to be leading up to that, with his maddness growing stronger
>every day, and with his two deadly wounds....
>What do ya think?
I certainly hope so. Not that I don't like the guy, but it would be a
bit too happy if he lived, wouldn't it?
Dean New
Neil Winchell <winc...@mail.ccinet.ab.ca> wrote in article
<32165...@198.161.102.30>...
> >Does anyone else think that the only way the Light will win is for
> Rand to
> >die?
> Personally, I don't think so. Although it is a feasible outcome, I
> can't believe that RJ would end the life of one of his main charactors.
> Besides, the prophecy only states that "his blood" would be spilt on
> the rocks. While many may think this indicates his death, all it would
> take to fulfill this prophecy would be Rand to bleed on the rocks and
> POOF! Prophecy fulfilled.
>
> Neil Winchell
I believe that LTT will die at Shayol Ghul and that also is supported by
Min's viewing of Rand where there are two men batteling and one will die.
Blackfang
Heyla!
winc...@mail.ccinet.ab.ca (Neil Winchell) spake unto the masses:
>In article <01bb8b47$47d06840$ae19...@PTulkas.3lefties.com>,
>tul...@3lefties.com says...
>>
>>Does anyone else think that the only way the Light will win is for
>>Rand to die? It seems to be leading up to that, with his maddness growing
>>stronger every day, and with his two deadly wounds....
>>
>>What do ya think?
>Personally, I don't think so. Although it is a feasible outcome, I
>can't believe that RJ would end the life of one of his main charactors.
>Besides, the prophecy only states that "his blood" would be spilt on
>the rocks. While many may think this indicates his death, all it would
>take to fulfill this prophecy would be Rand to bleed on the rocks and
>POOF! Prophecy fulfilled.
>Neil Winchell
Yeah, techinically, he doesn't have to die...just his blood has to be
spilt. But I think he *will* die, nonetheless. Yes, he's the major
character, but RJ doesn't need to keep him alive at the end of the
series. And, IMO, its a sign of good writing when author's aren't
afraid to kill off their characters to further the plot (not that RJ's
writing talent needs to be proven any further =D).
The only real textual evidence I have for him dying is Min's vision of
him in a funeral bier. Also, although this is rather shaky, his death
as the sign of the end of the age could parallel LTTs, to keep in lne
with the whole repetition thing he has going. :)
Peace favor your sword,
Jain Farstrider
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Could just mean the Aiel- they're his race, his blood Broadly
speaking.
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and most likely IMHO, but remember that the 'blood of the Dragon Reborn' could
also mean the Aiel, or even some of the noblility of Andor...
BISHOP
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"Dean New" <dea...@mail.transdata.ca> wrote:
>Neil Winchell <winc...@mail.ccinet.ab.ca> wrote in article
><32165...@198.161.102.30>...
>> >Does anyone else think that the only way the Light will win is for
>> Rand to
>> >die?
>
>> Personally, I don't think so. Although it is a feasible outcome, I
>> can't believe that RJ would end the life of one of his main charactors.
>> Besides, the prophecy only states that "his blood" would be spilt on
>> the rocks. While many may think this indicates his death, all it would
>> take to fulfill this prophecy would be Rand to bleed on the rocks and
>> POOF! Prophecy fulfilled.
>>
>> Neil Winchell
Twice and twice shall he be marked,
Twice to live, and twice to die.
Once the heron, to set his path.
Twice the heron, to name him true.
Once the dragon, for remembrance lost.
"Twice the dragon, for the price he must pay"
Twice dawns the day when his blood is shed.
Once for mourning, once for birth.
Red on black, The dragons blood stains the
rock of Shaoul Ghoul
In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men
from the shadow.
What do you think it mean??
>I believe that LTT will die at Shayol Ghul and that also is supported by
>Min's viewing of Rand where there are two men batteling and one will die.
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arm...@livenet.net wrote:
: Twice and twice shall he be marked,
: Twice to live, and twice to die.
: Once the heron, to set his path.
: Twice the heron, to name him true.
: Once the dragon, for remembrance lost.
: "Twice the dragon, for the price he must pay"
:
: Twice dawns the day when his blood is shed.
: Once for mourning, once for birth.
: Red on black, The dragons blood stains the
: rock of Shaoul Ghoul
: In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men
: from the shadow.
: What do you think it mean??
All the characters assume that it means Rand will die. Rand assumes he
will die.
Now me, I'm kind of a bastard.
I *WANT* him to die. Rand al'Thor MUST DIE.
He's a nice enough fellow, sure, but this story deserves a only
half-happy ending. Tragedy they call it.
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: Armina's Daughter...
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Jeremy Schwanebeck
> All the characters assume that it means Rand will die. Rand assumes he
> will die.
>
> Now me, I'm kind of a bastard.
>
> I *WANT* him to die. Rand al'Thor MUST DIE.
> He's a nice enough fellow, sure, but this story deserves a only
> half-happy ending. Tragedy they call it.
>
> : ----
> : Petal - [please use "Petal" in subj line of e-mail]
> : Friend of Dragons...
> : Armina's Daughter...
>
> --
> A wonderful world it is that has
> stupid green dragons in't!
> email: faf...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
I agree. Rand's death would provide a very emotionally impacting end to
this epic. I think his death is necessary for the completion of the
circle of life/death/resurrection RJ has established.
However, (and this is certainly not the concrete reasoning most of you
seem to rely so heavily on) I've developed a very keen sense of
storytelling in the 21 years I've spent watching and working with
movies. Rand and LTT are going to part ways, but I doubt Rand dies. It
would be to upsetting to the fans. I love RJ as much as the rest of
you, but in this case, I'm afraid he's going to cop-out.
Again, just a hunch, but I'm pretty good at these things.
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Matthew T Hotujec
> I *WANT* him to die. Rand al'Thor MUST DIE.
is it just me, or does someone sound like Lews Therin here? :)
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James R. Ashley
I've gotta agree. All the foreshadowing says Rand's gonna die. RJ began
to sleaze his way out with Min's viewing of two people inside Rand,
parting company. Rand should die, just because that's the way the series
is being set up, and that's the way RJ is leaning, but he probably
won't, because unhappy endings don't belong in a fantasy story.
Joel E. Natt
Whill Rand Die?
: Besides, the prophecy only states that "his blood" would be spilt on
: the rocks.
I think you are taking it to mean Rand's own blood. It could be the
Blood of kin (ie...The Aiel, or even Elayne a distant cousin)
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Gary Roddy
No,His Blood will be spilt but He will not die.I reckon that Nynaeve will
be able to Heal him at the last moment.I think Lews Therin will be
released from Rand.Rand is easily my favourite character as he copes with
far more responsibility than any of the others and manages to stay sane
because he has to.
BTW How many books are going to be in the series?
Rob Goncharsky
In article <groddy-3108...@dialup-015.galway.iol.ie> gro...@iol.ie (Gary Roddy) writes:
>From: gro...@iol.ie (Gary Roddy)
>Subject: Re: Will Rand Die?
>Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 12:33:23 +0000
>No,His Blood will be spilt but He will not die.I reckon that Nynaeve will
>be able to Heal him at the last moment.I think Lews Therin will be
>released from Rand.Rand is easily my favourite character as he copes with
>far more responsibility than any of the others and manages to stay sane
>because he has to.
Is everyone forgetting Nicola's fortelling in Lord of Chaos?
"The lion sword, the dedicated spear, she who sees beyond. Three on a boat,
and he who is dead yet lives. The great battle done, but the world not done
with battle. The land divided by the return, and the guardians balance the
servants. The future teeters on the edge of a blade."
My interpretation so far is that this is a mirror of one of Min's original
viewings, the one where she learns three women will love Rand al'Thor, she saw
three woman on a funeral barge. The three women are Elayne, Aviendha and Min.
The great battle done- Tarmon Gai'don has ended. "return"- The "Day of
Return" all darkfriends hope for. Guardians and Sevants are Aes Sedai and
Asha'man.
TLenze
In article <3222B5...@cowboy.net>, "James R. Ashley"
<jim...@cowboy.net> writes:
>I've gotta agree. All the foreshadowing says Rand's gonna die. RJ began
>to sleaze his way out with Min's viewing of two people inside Rand,
>parting company. Rand should die, just because that's the way the series
>is being set up, and that's the way RJ is leaning, but he probably
>won't, because unhappy endings don't belong in a fantasy story.
>
>
RJ has said that he has a surprise ending, which means Rand won't die. I
think his "blood" is the Aiel.
Jack Love
One needn't die while shedding blood...
Project Leader McCoy
In one Age, called 2 Sep 1996 19:33:47 -0400 by some, in an Age long past, in an Age yet to come, TLenze (tle...@aol.com) wrote <50fqsr$7...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>:
> >I've gotta agree. All the foreshadowing says Rand's gonna die. RJ began
> >to sleaze his way out with Min's viewing of two people inside Rand,
> >parting company. Rand should die, just because that's the way the series
> >is being set up, and that's the way RJ is leaning, but he probably
> >won't, because unhappy endings don't belong in a fantasy story.
> RJ has said that he has a surprise ending, which means Rand won't die. I
> think his "blood" is the Aiel.
Given the way everyone seems to feel right now, a surprise ending *will*
be Rand's death. Are you the sort of person who wears loose jeans and
nose rings to be unique?
Come on. A surprise ending could mean *thousands* of things. Rand could
die, Taim could die, Demandred could defect, Egwene could end up marrying
Galad after all, Gawyn could run screaming at Rand with a sword only to
trip over a stone and stab himself in the head, etc etc. There's *no*
way you can guess what this surprise ending means. (Why else do you
think RJ would tell us? He's been very careful not to spoil anything
about the next several books for us.)
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ica...@berkshire.net it is flat and slimy and has gills through
which is can see." - Monty Python
Saurabh Asthana
arm...@livenet.net wrote:
: Twice and twice shall he be marked,
: Twice to live, and twice to die.
: Once the heron, to set his path.
: Twice the heron, to name him true.
: Once the dragon, for remembrance lost.
: "Twice the dragon, for the price he must pay"
:
: Twice dawns the day when his blood is shed.
: Once for mourning, once for birth.
: Red on black, The dragons blood stains the
: rock of Shaoul Ghoul
: In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men
: from the shadow.
: What do you think it mean??
Well, it's always been pretty clear to me. For those of you who've read
the Belgariad, remember Durnik? The man with Two Lives? He lived
twice, and eventually will die twice. In the same way, Rand will die at
Shayol Ghul, spilling his blood, etc., and be resurrected. Or have you
missed the Jesus-Christ symbolism behind him?
And it's pretty clear that it has to be his blood and not the Aiel or
anybody elses. First of all, Rand is kind of a no-man. He's not tied
strongly to anyone, not to the Aiel, not to the TR, and not to Andor.
So no one can truly be called his blood. The only blood he could
possibly shed is his own. And the foreshadowing concerning the gaping
hole in his side is a little too strong to merely discount the
possibility of rand himself dying.
The Skink
Jennifer and Daniel Wade
Saurabh Asthana wrote:
>
> arm...@livenet.net wrote:
> (prophecy deleted)
>
> : What do you think it means??
> (stuff about Belgariad deleted)
> In the same way, Rand will die at Shayol Ghul, spilling his blood, etc.
I forget where this idea came from, but "his blood" could also refer
to a relative, i.e., someone who shares his bloodlines. Rand has an
uncle and a half-brother running around- could one of them be the one
to lubricate the dirt at Shayol Ghul?
> Or have you missed the Jesus Christ symbolism behind him?
OK, I'll bite- if Rand is a Christ figure, who's the Antichrist?
rest of stuff deleted..
->Dan
Project Leader McCoy
In one Age, called Sat, 07 Sep 1996 14:10:55 -0700 by some, in an Age long past, in an Age yet to come, Jennifer and Daniel Wade (wa...@superior.net) wrote <3231E4...@superior.net>:
> Saurabh Asthana wrote:
> >
> > arm...@livenet.net wrote:
> > (prophecy deleted)
> >
> > : What do you think it means??
> > (stuff about Belgariad deleted)
> > In the same way, Rand will die at Shayol Ghul, spilling his blood, etc.
> I forget where this idea came from, but "his blood" could also refer
> to a relative, i.e., someone who shares his bloodlines. Rand has an
> uncle and a half-brother running around- could one of them be the one
> to lubricate the dirt at Shayol Ghul?
He's also got countless other distant relatives. The Aiel could be
construed to be relatives as well, since they're "his" people; you know,
the people o' the Dragon. That also pans out with the Aiel prophecies
about a remnant of a remnant being saved; possibly just Rand himself. Of
course, they're little proof one way or another.
> > Or have you missed the Jesus Christ symbolism behind him?
> OK, I'll bite- if Rand is a Christ figure, who's the Antichrist?
Hmm... I don't know. The symbolism fails dismally when you assume that
the Creator is the Christian God, and the Dark One the Devil. Try this
out: Rand is God, Demandred is Lucifer. #1 and #2 before the War of the
Shadow, now #1 on both sides; Demandred resented Rand because he was
always better, so he figured he'd win by being #1 on the other side.
I guess you could call Bela the Antichrist. We know she's a Darkfriend,
despite what RJ says.
Trampier Joshua R
: > Or have you missed the Jesus Christ symbolism behind him?
: OK, I'll bite- if Rand is a Christ figure, who's the Antichrist?
Ishy?
hsoj
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Jennifer and Daniel Wade <wa...@superior.net> wrote:
>Saurabh Asthana wrote:
>>
>> arm...@livenet.net wrote:
>> (prophecy deleted)
>>
>> : What do you think it means??
>> (stuff about Belgariad deleted)
>> In the same way, Rand will die at Shayol Ghul, spilling his blood, etc.
>I forget where this idea came from, but "his blood" could also refer
>to a relative, i.e., someone who shares his bloodlines. Rand has an
>uncle and a half-brother running around- could one of them be the one
>to lubricate the dirt at Shayol Ghul?
>> Or have you missed the Jesus Christ symbolism behind him?
>OK, I'll bite- if Rand is a Christ figure, who's the Antichrist?
Moridin! (Death)
Friar5
In article <robg.3....@azstarnet.com>, ro...@azstarnet.com (Rob
Goncharsky) writes:
>s everyone forgetting Nicola's fortelling in Lord of Chaos?
>"The lion sword, the dedicated spear, she who sees beyond. Three on a
boat,
>and he who is dead yet lives
Isn't LTT physically dead yet living in Rand's mind?
TANKENGINE
# Well, it's always been pretty clear to me. For those of you who've read
# the Belgariad, remember Durnik? The man with Two Lives? He lived
# twice, and eventually will die twice. In the same way, Rand will die at
# Shayol Ghul, spilling his blood, etc., and be resurrected. Or have you
# missed the Jesus-Christ symbolism behind him?
Yeah but Jesus Christ did not die the second time:)
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