LSQG (tm) - Wednesday, 12/8/MMX #3409
Alan Page
#3409
~From New York~
"...the greatest city in the world..."
~Opening List~
Barbara Walters
Jayma Mays
Alison Balsom
"And now...concept car prototype...David Letterman"
~Monologue~
A Holiday Treat For Saudi Youth
Things You Don't Want To Hear From A Person With A Gun
~CB~
Desk Chat
Dave's Mom
TTL - Reasons Saudi Youths Love Me, Dave Letterman
~CB~
Barbara Walters (Panel)
~CB~
Barbara Walters (Panel)
BSH
~CB~
Taylor Swift From The Ed Sullivan Theater
Exclusive Streaming Concert
Available On Demand CBS.com
~CB~
Jayma Mays (Panel)
~CB~
Alison Balsom (Music)
"Do you smell taters?"
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Alan
~WWWWW~
What a Wonderful Web We Weave
R H Draney
>
>Late Show Quick Guide - Wednesday, 12/8/MMX
>
>#3409
>~From New York~
>"...the greatest city in the world..."
>~Opening List~
>Barbara Walters
>Jayma Mays
>Alison Balsom
>"And now...concept car prototype...David Letterman"
>~Monologue~
>A Holiday Treat For Saudi Youth
>Things You Don't Want To Hear From A Person With A Gun
>~CB~
>Desk Chat
>Dave's Mom
Uh, okay, during the show you can say that's the bit, but in a review I'd think
some mention should be made of the fact that Dave's Mom didn't actually
appear...(in fact, I think the glimpse of the kitchen was a piece of tape from
the archives)....
>TTL - Reasons Saudi Youths Love Me, Dave Letterman
>~CB~
>Barbara Walters (Panel)
>~CB~
At this point, it's off to commercial with Dave still unable to remember who the
guest was that walked off the show...I had seen this post before watching the
tape, and made a leap of deductive reasoning: since nobody had responded here
asking for the identity of the mystery sorehead let alone supplied the name, it
would be revealed by Dave's crack staff of researchers before the end of the
show....
Am I good or what?...
>Barbara Walters (Panel)
>BSH
>~CB~
>Taylor Swift From The Ed Sullivan Theater
>Exclusive Streaming Concert
>Available On Demand CBS.com
>~CB~
>Jayma Mays (Panel)
Better storyteller than I expected...hope she comes back and they give her more
time....
>~CB~
>Alison Balsom (Music)
Wow...just...wow....
>"Do you smell taters?"
....r
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Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.
Alan Page
"R H Draney" wrote...
>>Dave's Mom
> Uh, okay, during the show you can say that's the bit, but in a review I'd
> think
> some mention should be made of the fact that Dave's Mom didn't actually
> appear...
The LSQG is a guide, not a review.
The LSQG staff place the events when a special sign or animation
announces it.
This was the case with "Dave's Mom" and has happened previously with
"Small Town News" and a couple other segments that are introduced then never
presented due to rant or by design.
R H Draney
>
>
>"R H Draney" wrote...
>>>Dave's Mom
>
>> Uh, okay, during the show you can say that's the bit, but in a review I'd
>> think
>> some mention should be made of the fact that Dave's Mom didn't actually
>> appear...
>
> The LSQG is a guide, not a review.
>
> The LSQG staff place the events when a special sign or animation
>announces it.
>
> This was the case with "Dave's Mom" and has happened previously with
>"Small Town News" and a couple other segments that are introduced then never
>presented due to rant or by design.
Seems to me they've done the same gag in the past, but back then they actually
showed Dorothy and had *her* point out to Dave that they're not Jewish....r
Helen Read
> Alan Page filted:
>>
>>
>> ~CB~
>> Alison Balsom (Music)
>
> Wow...just...wow....
I'm way behind on my LS viewing, and finally watched this tonight. This
was one of the rare musical guests that I enjoyed. A few observations:
She has a nice sound.
You don't see rotary valve trumpets too often in the USA (most trumpets
here have piston valves). And that might have been a piccolo trumpet
(pitched higher than a "regular" trumpet).
The piece that she played was a movement from a concerto that was
originally written for oboe. I think it was by the Baroque era Italian
composer Domenico Cimarosa. There aren't a lot of trumpet concertos in
the literature, so sometimes trumpeters play transcriptions of oboe
concertos (or whatever). And at the time that this oboe concerto was
written, it could not have been played on a trumpet, due to the fact
that valves hadn't been invented yet.
Why was Dave surprised that a woman would play classical trumpet?
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HPR
Twibil
>
>
> Why was Dave surprised that a woman would play classical trumpet?
Because until fairly recently, trumpet was one of those instruments
associated mainly with men.
No reason that a woman couldn't play one perfectly well, mind you, but
you didn't used to see it happen very frequently.
~Pete
Helen Read
I understand the history. It surprised me that Dave or anyone would be
surprised by it in the year 2010.
--
HPR
Helen Read
I mean, it just sounded so sexist. He said something like, "Oh, a violin
I could see" -- geez.
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HPR
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> On 12/10/2010 1:48 AM, R H Draney wrote:
>> Alan Page filted:
>>>
>>>
>>> ~CB~
>>> Alison Balsom (Music)
>>
>> Wow...just...wow....
>
> I'm way behind on my LS viewing, and finally watched this tonight. This
> was one of the rare musical guests that I enjoyed. A few observations:
>
> She has a nice sound.
Classical really isn't my thing, but on the whole I enjoyed that. I do like
having some different experiences in the musical portion of the show. Better
than yet another hip-hop artist. I will be interested to see what Joanna
Newsom comes up with for her appearance this week. Her stuff is often . . .
different.
Brian
--
Day 677 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project.
Current music playing: None.
Twibil
>
>
> >> Why was Dave surprised that a woman would play classical trumpet?
>
> > Because until fairly recently, trumpet was one of those instruments
> > associated mainly with men.
>
> > No reason that a woman couldn't play one perfectly well, mind you, but
> > you didn't used to see it happen very frequently.
>
> I understand the history. It surprised me that Dave or anyone would be
> surprised by it in the year 2010.
I'm surprised that you're surprised.
Just about everyone acts that way the first time they encounter
something that they haven't seen before.
~Pete
Twibil
>
>
> I mean, it just sounded so sexist. He said something like, "Oh, a violin
> I could see" -- geez
Before condemming his chauvinism, reflect upon the fact that Felicia
has been playing in Dave's band -presumably with his approval- for
many many moons now, and that Jazz/Pop guitar used to be another of
those instruments/styles that were played -at a professional level-
almost exclusively by men.
Given that fact, I don't think Dave has a problem with women doing
whatever they're capable of doing and want to do. I think he was
simply surprised upon meeting a female classical trumpeter for the
first time.
~Pete
Steve Curtis
>Before condemming his chauvinism,
>reflect upon the fact that Felicia has
>been playing in Dave's band -presumably
>with his approval- for many many moons
>now,...
First of all, it's not literally "Dave's band," and second, Felicia's
participation in the band was undoubtedly not subject to Dave's
approval, but rather the approval of Paul Shaffer as musical director of
the CBSO.
Portnoy
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And she's likely there so as to fullfil a pretense of diversity (as
many businesses did) in a formerly all white male band, as they got
both a woman and a black person for the "price" of one. And yes,
I'm quite well aware that both Hiram Bullock AND Steve Jordan
were members of the band before the show made the "big money".
Twibil
>
>
> First of all, it's not literally "Dave's band," and second, Felicia's
> participation in the band was undoubtedly not subject to Dave's
> approval, but rather the approval of Paul Shaffer as musical director of
> the CBSO.
Nobody thought it was "Dave's band" in the sense that he picks out
each tune himself, idiot. But it *is* Dave's band in the same sense
that it's Dave's show, and if Dave didn't care for a band member
they'd be out of there in a hurry.
Of course, so far as we know you've never been a musician in your
life, while I've been making a decent living at it for over 40 years
so far, but heck; why let a lifetime of experience with these things
bother you?
Sheesh.
Twibil
>
>
> And she's likely there so as to fullfil a pretense of diversity (as
> many businesses did) in a formerly all white male band, as they got
> both a woman and a black person for the "price" of one.
Utter bullshit. Music is one profession where water tends to seek
it's own level, and Felicia is right where she deserves to be. Not
because she's black or because she's a woman, but because she's very
very good at what she does.
Just like Paul isn't where he is because he's Jewish.
Steve Curtis
>(Steve Curtis) wrote:
>>First of all, it's not literally "Dave's
>>band," and second, Felicia's
>>participation in the band was
>>undoubtedly not subject to Dave's
>>approval, but rather the approval of
>>Paul Shaffer as musical director of the
>>CBSO.
>Nobody thought it was "Dave's band" in
>the sense that he picks out each tune
>himself, idiot. But it *is* Dave's band in
>the same sense that it's Dave's show,...
Then learn to write with less ambiguity before hitting that "send
button." The marquee outside the Ed doesn't say "Late Show with David
Letterman" and "Paul Shaffer and the CBS Orchestra" for nothing.
>...and if Dave didn't care for a band
>member they'd be out of there in a hurry.
I'm sure Dave defers musical decisions and judgements to Paul out of
respect.
>Of course, so far as we know you've
>never been a musician in your life,...
Those who know me, know otherwise. You, not knowing me, know nothing.
>while I've been making a decent living at
>it for over 40 years so far, but heck; why
>let a lifetime of experience with these
>things bother you?
See above.
Traci
You do realize this is a public forum and people can actually read what
you post, right? It doesn't just stay in your head...although perhaps it
should.
To quote Twbil...
"Utter bullshit"
Traci - crankier bitch than normal tonight
Donz5
> "Steve Curtis" <iamh2o...@webtv.net> wrote in message
Your claim why Felicia is "likely" there is complete nonsense. Paul
was after the best players, not what you're insinuating re the best
skin.
Hiram was essentially fired after repeatedly coming to the show late
or not at all. And Steve left two years later to pursue his interest
with the Stones, specifically Keith. While Hiram went down one path
and eventually died as a result of it, Steve's career continues to hit
new peaks. "Big money" was not part of the equation.
Do you know the origins of the original LN band? Are you aware of the
24th Street Band?
Then there's Bernie Worrell. So much for "two for the price of one"
argument.
You should know better.
Portnoy
"Twibil" <noway...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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And just how long have you suffered from that debilitative reading
comprehension issue?
Having been a multiple instrument, working musician (now long ago)
for years, I hardly require any lessons from you on the matter. I was
clearly NOT saying that she wasn't competent despite your craven
truncating of my comments, the inclusion of which readily gives lie to
your pathetically feeble attempt to cloak the argument in racist terms
(I'm neither white nor a chauvanist). She is, as was Bullock and
Jordan, no doubt more than simply qualified and wouldn't be on that
great band were she not. But the fact of the matter is that very good
musicians are unfortunately a dime a dozen and her selection, scoring
on two fronts, in an otherwise relatively long term mostly to all white
male band, speaks for itself about the agenda of those making
decisions regarding personnel and which groups receive exposure.
You and the absolute 3rd rate clowns that took my post in the
OPPOSITE manner intended might next time try taking comments
as a whole, instead of carefully selecting sentences out of context
so that they fit your own personal projection and political agenda.
Donz5
> "Twibil" <nowayjo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
We all responded to what you wrote, not what you may have intended.
How is "she's likely there so as to fullfil a pretense of diversity"
to be taken other than a ridiculous claim for racial balance? There's
nothing that "speaks for itself" other than whatever certainties you
claim to have. There's no "fact of the matter" that "very good
musicians are unfortunately a dime a dozen." And why "unfortunately"?
And then attacking us as "absolute 3rd rate clowns" speaks quite well
of you.
Twibil
>
>
> And just how long have you suffered from that debilitative reading
> comprehension issue?
I don't have one.
And you, sir, are a Usenut.
Twibil
>
>
> Then learn to write with less ambiguity before hitting that "send
> button."
Sorry, sweetlips, but you're not my editor: just a wanna-be net-nanny
who apparently needs to feed his ego by repeatedly trying to pretend
he's some sort of an authority. (Steve, meet Portnoy.)
If the fact that you're the only soul here who misunderstood -or
claimed to misunderstand- what I said doesn't tell you anything, then
you're either not terribly bright or you simply aren't paying
attention.
Twibil
>
>
> We all responded to what you wrote, not what you may have intended.
True, but I suspect we may be seeing a real-life case of "The Paul
Shaffer Syndrome": in which the sufferer (most often an unemployed
musician) finds reasons to rationalize the fact that better musicians
are still gainfully employed -while he's not.
The "Shaffer Syndrome" gained it's name because of the plethora of
keyboard players who love to complain that Paul doesn't deserve his
job on the grounds that (A) "Heck! I'm better than he is!", (B)
"You've gotta know somebody to get that kind of job...", or, (C)
"Everybody knows the Jews run everything in show business anyway".
None of these things are true, of course, but it makes these guys feel
better about themselves to say them because that way they can continue
to believe that they failed through no fault of their own.
Seems to be a lot of that going around these days, and not just among
musicians.
~Pete
Steve Curtis
>(Steve Curtis) wrote:
>>Then learn to write with less ambiguity
>>before hitting that "send button."
>Sorry, sweetlips, but you're not my
>editor: just a wanna-be net-nanny who
>apparently needs to feed his ego by
>repeatedly trying to pretend he's some
>sort of an authority. (Steve, meet
>Portnoy.)
Ya see "Twibby-boy," this is how it is, you missed the salient point of
my previous post, which I'll repeat for your edification here: "You, not
knowing me, know nothing." Got the point yet? If so, then contemplate
the implication of that, ponder it, and let it become ingrained in your
psyche the next time you attempt to post an "armchair psychoanalysis" in
usenet.
Portnoy
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We all responded to what you wrote, not what you may have intended.
$ No, you "all" most assuredly did not.
How is "she's likely there so as to fullfil a pretense of diversity"
to be taken other than a ridiculous claim for racial balance?
$ ... in an otherwise all white male band ... could hardly be more
clearly aimed at management, while your ilk pretended and
maintained that it was aimed at her.
There's
nothing that "speaks for itself" other than whatever certainties you
claim to have.
$ As per my last response, res ipsa loquitur
There's no "fact of the matter" that "very good
musicians are unfortunately a dime a dozen."
$ Then apparently such conspicuous truths must not be among
your core competencies. In many fields, and certainly in music,
the supply far exceeds the demand. As good as Will Lee is,
ask him how fortunate he feels to be in that band and to have
that opportunity.
And why "unfortunately"?
$ You're kidding, right?
And then attacking us as "absolute 3rd rate clowns" speaks quite well
of you.
$ If the dunce cap and other garb fit ...
Portnoy
~Pete
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Of course YOU were the supercilious dilettante so pretentiously
informing ME about music.
You're either that non compos mentis or desperately desire, hope,
pray and accordingly then expect that your intended and usual
(and might I mention, like yourself, provincial) audience will be.
Not only could you not emit a recognizable note from my horn, tune
or string my guitar, you couldn't begin to get my briefcase off the ground
with the assistance of a gantry crane, an experienced, licensed, master
operator and detailed video instructions in every known language.
Portnoy
After being exposed to his posts for months (and more recently
generally just choosing to bypass that confused nonsense) I can't
fathom on what topic he could possibly be considered anything
remotely in the vicinity of competent or possibly even sane for
that matter. For the record, I'm a retired engineer (in a field
considerably more challenging than music), a former dance band
and symphonic guitarist and trumpeter, and politically to the left
of Nader.
Helen Read
I'm surprised that you're surprised that I'm surprised. Nobody should be
surprised to see a woman in *any* profession in this day and age (except
for, oh, NFL linebacker). *That* is what surprised and bothered me by
Dave's remark. That and the fact that I happen to be a female brass
player, which is not in the slightest bit unusual. I found it very
strange that in the year 2010, Dave would have lingering stereotypes in
his mind about what musical instruments are suitable for men (e.g.,
trumpet) or women (e.g., violin).
--
HPR
Donz5
Probably because you referred to her specifically and never mentioned
management. Again, it's what you wrote, not what you intended.
>
> There's
> nothing that "speaks for itself" other than whatever certainties you
> claim to have.
>
> $ As per my last response, res ipsa loquitur
>
> There's no "fact of the matter" that "very good
> musicians are unfortunately a dime a dozen."
>
> $ Then apparently such conspicuous truths must not be among
> your core competencies. In many fields, and certainly in music,
> the supply far exceeds the demand. As good as Will Lee is,
> ask him how fortunate he feels to be in that band and to have
> that opportunity.
Of course, certainly in music. Your perceptions are excellent.
re Will: if you knew the man, you'd immediately perceive that he's
being his humble self, a stance that has utterly nothing to do with
your "dime a dozen" claim.
>
> And why "unfortunately"?
>
> $ You're kidding, right?
I hope someday you'll get around to engaging directly in dialogue
instead of rhetorical distractions.
>
> And then attacking us as "absolute 3rd rate clowns" speaks quite well
> of you.
>
> $ If the dunce cap and other garb fit ...
See above.
Twibil
>
>
> Ya see "Twibby-boy,"
"Twibby-boy" says it all about you, Steve,
Thanx for that.
Twibil
>
>
> >> I understand the history. It surprised me that Dave or anyone would be
> >> surprised by it in the year 2010.
>
> > I'm surprised that you're surprised.
>
> > Just about everyone acts that way the first time they encounter
> > something that they haven't seen before.
>
> I'm surprised that you're surprised that I'm surprised. Nobody should be
> surprised to see a woman in *any* profession in this day and age (except
> for, oh, NFL linebacker).
You are coming from "what should be". But it isn't. Probably never
will be.
Chauvinism isn't -or shouldn't be- measured by natural reactions of
surprise, but by the attitude of the guy in question once the surprise
wears off (I.E. about 5 seconds). If he's surprised but pleased to
find a woman in a field where he hadn't expected to find one, then
he's doing about as well as you can expect. If he reacts with a "In my
day women knew their place" comment *then* you have a case for male
chauvinism in the first degree, and defenestration becomes a viable
option.
Remember also that Dave and I both have this in common: we're both old
guys. The world we grew up in simply didn't offer women anything
*like* the possibilities that exist for them today, and childhood
conditioning runs deep.
When old guys like us first meet a woman such as my neighbor, who is
short, svelte, blonde, smart, *extremely* attractive -and who is also
a 747 command pilot for Delta airlines- we invariably boggle for a bit
while our previous existence shifts gears to meet and greet a reality
we've never had to deal with before.
It's a form of culture shock, and expecting someone to throw off the
world they grew up in simply because the world has changed so much
since the 1940s isn't being very realistic.
~Pete
Steve Curtis
>(Steve Curtis) wrote:
>>Ya see "Twibby-boy,"
>"Twibby-boy" says it all about you, >Steve,
>Thanx for that.
Your insulting use of the term "idiot" is quite revealing about you. I'm
simply responding in kind.
"What goes around, comes around"
Twibil
Uh, sure you are...
So when you replied to *my* post with the arrogant, condecending, and -
above all- mistaken,
"First of all, it's not literally "Dave's band," and second,
Felicia's
participation in the band was undoubtedly not subject to Dave's
approval, but rather the approval of Paul Shaffer as musical director
of
the CBSO.", I should have politley groveled and replied "Yassah,
Boss! Ya'll is right and I is wrong!" instead of insulting you in
return?
As you said, sweetlips, what goes around comes around.
Steve Curtis
>(Steve Curtis) wrote:
>>"Twibil" wrote:
>>>(Steve Curtis) wrote:
>>>>Ya see "Twibby-boy,"
>>>"Twibby-boy" says it all about you,
>>>Steve,
>>>Thanx for that.
>>Your insulting use of the term "idiot" is
>>quite revealing about you. I'm simply
>>responding in kind.
>>"What goes around, comes around"
>Uh, sure you are...
>So when you replied to *my* post with
>the arrogant,...
"Arrogant"? How?
>...condecending,
"Condescending"? How?
>...and - above all- mistaken,
"Mistaken"? Your proof that a mistake was made?
>..."First of all, it's not literally "Dave's
>band," and second, Felicia's participation
>in the band was undoubtedly not subject
>to Dave's approval, but rather the
>approval of Paul Shaffer as musical
>director of the CBSO.", I should have
>politley groveled and replied "Yassah,
>Boss! Ya'll is right and I is wrong!"
>instead of insulting you in return?
No, you could've backed up your assertion with credible facts that Dave
approves the band's personnel decisions as you claimed. I simply
challenged that claim and you responded with an insult laden post which
included an attempt at "armchair psychoanalysis" in a usenet newsgroup.
Really quite laughable.
>As you said, sweetlips, what goes
>around comes around.
It sure does, "Twibster."