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a425couple
May 9, 2016, 4:13:38 PM5/9/16
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fingerprints or dna in "Interstellar" ?
In search of a SF movie recently I saw "Interstellar"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_%28film%29
includes a part,
"CASE warns Cooper that Endurance is slipping toward Gargantua's pull.
Cooper makes a quick decision to use Gargantua as a gravitational slingshot
to propel the ship toward Edmunds' planet. To shed weight, Cooper and
TARS jettison themselves toward the black hole, so that Amelia and CASE
can complete the journey. Slipping past the event horizon, Cooper and
TARS find themselves inside a tesseract,---"
Today, I was reading lal truckee's citation:
"Lists of lists of lists over at SF Signal:"
<http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/2016/04/how-well-read-are-you-in-science-fiction/>
and happened to read
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_%28novel%29
which included
"When the ships arrive, their crews find to their horror that they are
in the gravitational grip of a black hole without enough power to break
free. The crews devise a desperate escape plan: Move everyone into one
ship and eject the other toward the black hole, thus gaining enough of a
boost to escape. Working frantically to transfer unnecessary equipment
to make room, Broadhead finds himself alone in the wrong ship ---
due to the gravitational time dilation due to the black hole's immense
gravity field, time is passing much more slowly for his former crewmates
and none of them has actually died yet. Broadhead, however, concludes that
this means that they will still be dying when he dies in several decades"
Hmmm?
Time changing tends to make my head hurt.
I do not intend to buy "Gateway".
And the recent read, Heinlein's "The Door into Summer"
that included 'time play' also, was not a favorite for me!
Characters in future, leaving messages for their younger
selves, -- agh!
Without going into a 30 year old guy promising
to marry an 11 year old girl after she becomes an adult!
In search of a SF movie recently I saw "Interstellar"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_%28film%29
includes a part,
"CASE warns Cooper that Endurance is slipping toward Gargantua's pull.
Cooper makes a quick decision to use Gargantua as a gravitational slingshot
to propel the ship toward Edmunds' planet. To shed weight, Cooper and
TARS jettison themselves toward the black hole, so that Amelia and CASE
can complete the journey. Slipping past the event horizon, Cooper and
TARS find themselves inside a tesseract,---"
Today, I was reading lal truckee's citation:
"Lists of lists of lists over at SF Signal:"
<http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/2016/04/how-well-read-are-you-in-science-fiction/>
and happened to read
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_%28novel%29
which included
"When the ships arrive, their crews find to their horror that they are
in the gravitational grip of a black hole without enough power to break
free. The crews devise a desperate escape plan: Move everyone into one
ship and eject the other toward the black hole, thus gaining enough of a
boost to escape. Working frantically to transfer unnecessary equipment
to make room, Broadhead finds himself alone in the wrong ship ---
due to the gravitational time dilation due to the black hole's immense
gravity field, time is passing much more slowly for his former crewmates
and none of them has actually died yet. Broadhead, however, concludes that
this means that they will still be dying when he dies in several decades"
Hmmm?
Time changing tends to make my head hurt.
I do not intend to buy "Gateway".
And the recent read, Heinlein's "The Door into Summer"
that included 'time play' also, was not a favorite for me!
Characters in future, leaving messages for their younger
selves, -- agh!
Without going into a 30 year old guy promising
to marry an 11 year old girl after she becomes an adult!
Brian M. Scott
May 9, 2016, 5:57:01 PM5/9/16
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On Mon, 9 May 2016 13:12:29 -0700, a425couple
<a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote
in<news:ngqr0...@news1.newsguy.com> in
rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein:
[...]
> Today, I was reading lal truckee's citation:
> "Lists of lists of lists over at SF Signal:"
> <http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/2016/04/how-well-read-are-you-in-science-fiction/>
> and happened to read
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_%28novel%29
> which included
> "When the ships arrive, their crews find to their horror
> that they are in the gravitational grip of a black hole
> without enough power to break free. The crews devise a
> desperate escape plan: Move everyone into one ship and
> eject the other toward the black hole, thus gaining
> enough of a boost to escape. Working frantically to
> transfer unnecessary equipment to make room, Broadhead
> finds himself alone in the wrong ship --- due to the
> gravitational time dilation due to the black hole's
> immense gravity field, time is passing much more slowly
> for his former crewmates and none of them has actually
> died yet. Broadhead, however, concludes that this means
> that they will still be dying when he dies in several
> decades"
> Hmmm?
Indeed. The classic treatment is Poul Anderson’s excellent
‘Kyrie’.
> Time changing tends to make my head hurt.
> I do not intend to buy "Gateway".
> And the recent read, Heinlein's "The Door into Summer"
> that included 'time play' also, was not a favorite for
> me! Characters in future, leaving messages for their
> younger selves, -- agh!
Why not?
> Without going into a 30 year old guy promising to marry
> an 11 year old girl after she becomes an adult!
Again, why not? If the attraction is still there, there’s
no problem, and if it isn’t, the promise needn’t be kept.
Brian
--
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.
<a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote
in<news:ngqr0...@news1.newsguy.com> in
rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein:
[...]
> Today, I was reading lal truckee's citation:
> "Lists of lists of lists over at SF Signal:"
> <http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/2016/04/how-well-read-are-you-in-science-fiction/>
> and happened to read
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_%28novel%29
> which included
> "When the ships arrive, their crews find to their horror
> that they are in the gravitational grip of a black hole
> without enough power to break free. The crews devise a
> desperate escape plan: Move everyone into one ship and
> eject the other toward the black hole, thus gaining
> enough of a boost to escape. Working frantically to
> transfer unnecessary equipment to make room, Broadhead
> finds himself alone in the wrong ship --- due to the
> gravitational time dilation due to the black hole's
> immense gravity field, time is passing much more slowly
> for his former crewmates and none of them has actually
> died yet. Broadhead, however, concludes that this means
> that they will still be dying when he dies in several
> decades"
> Hmmm?
‘Kyrie’.
> Time changing tends to make my head hurt.
> I do not intend to buy "Gateway".
> And the recent read, Heinlein's "The Door into Summer"
> that included 'time play' also, was not a favorite for
> me! Characters in future, leaving messages for their
> younger selves, -- agh!
> Without going into a 30 year old guy promising to marry
> an 11 year old girl after she becomes an adult!
no problem, and if it isn’t, the promise needn’t be kept.
Brian
--
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.
a425couple
May 9, 2016, 10:35:09 PM5/9/16
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"Brian M. Scott" <b.s...@csuohio.edu> wrote in message...
> a425couple <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote
>> Time changing tends to make my head hurt.
>> I do not intend to buy "Gateway".
>> And the recent read, Heinlein's "The Door into Summer"
>> that included 'time play' also, was not a favorite for
>> me! Characters in future, leaving messages for their
>> younger selves, -- agh!
>
> Why not?
Ahh,
#1, as I just said, time travel or time changing, tends
(the time distortion in Heinlein's "Time for the Stars" &
similar is fine.)
#3, I've done quite well for myself as it was, and the thought
of enabling my older self, to give my younger self,
advice and directions, would just seeem a total cheat!!!
>> Without going into a 30 year old guy promising to marry
>> an 11 year old girl after she becomes an adult!
>
> Again, why not? If the attraction is still there, there’s
> no problem, and if it isn’t, the promise needn’t be kept.
Ok, you can do as you wish.
It appears to me, that you are thinking that a promise of marriage
made to an 11 year old girl by about the only adult she trusts,
(who then disappears for decades)
will not have consequences for her growing up. Hmmm.
I think adults should be very careful in avoiding putting
themselves into conflicts of interest for youth.
Hmmm, how much time would we let Justin Beiber
spend in private talk with 11 year old fans?
There is a VERY large body of discussion on that topic
on the net. I can see both sides. But I would not have
said the things Dan did.
> a425couple <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote
>> Today, I was reading lal truckee's citation:
>> "Lists of lists of lists over at SF Signal:"
>> <http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/2016/04/how-well-read-are-you-in-science-fiction/>
>> and happened to read
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_%28novel%29
> -----snip
>> "Lists of lists of lists over at SF Signal:"
>> <http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/2016/04/how-well-read-are-you-in-science-fiction/>
>> and happened to read
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_%28novel%29
>> Hmmm?
>
> Indeed. The classic treatment is Poul Anderson’s excellent
> ‘Kyrie’.
Thanks for the information.
>
> Indeed. The classic treatment is Poul Anderson’s excellent
> ‘Kyrie’.
>> Time changing tends to make my head hurt.
>> I do not intend to buy "Gateway".
>> And the recent read, Heinlein's "The Door into Summer"
>> that included 'time play' also, was not a favorite for
>> me! Characters in future, leaving messages for their
>> younger selves, -- agh!
>
> Why not?
#1, as I just said, time travel or time changing, tends
to make my head hurt.
#2, I am not seeing anything that makes me think it is possible.
(the time distortion in Heinlein's "Time for the Stars" &
similar is fine.)
#3, I've done quite well for myself as it was, and the thought
of enabling my older self, to give my younger self,
advice and directions, would just seeem a total cheat!!!
>> Without going into a 30 year old guy promising to marry
>> an 11 year old girl after she becomes an adult!
>
> Again, why not? If the attraction is still there, there’s
> no problem, and if it isn’t, the promise needn’t be kept.
It appears to me, that you are thinking that a promise of marriage
made to an 11 year old girl by about the only adult she trusts,
(who then disappears for decades)
will not have consequences for her growing up. Hmmm.
I think adults should be very careful in avoiding putting
themselves into conflicts of interest for youth.
Hmmm, how much time would we let Justin Beiber
spend in private talk with 11 year old fans?
There is a VERY large body of discussion on that topic
on the net. I can see both sides. But I would not have
said the things Dan did.
Greg Goss
May 10, 2016, 12:06:15 AM5/10/16
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"a425couple" <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_%28novel%29
>which included
>"When the ships arrive, their crews find to their horror that they are
>in the gravitational grip of a black hole without enough power to break
>free. The crews devise a desperate escape plan: Move everyone into one
>ship and eject the other toward the black hole, thus gaining enough of a
>boost to escape. Working frantically to transfer unnecessary equipment
>to make room, Broadhead finds himself alone in the wrong ship ---
>due to the gravitational time dilation due to the black hole's immense
>gravity field, time is passing much more slowly for his former crewmates
>and none of them has actually died yet. Broadhead, however, concludes that
>this means that they will still be dying when he dies in several decades"
>
>Hmmm?
>
>Time changing tends to make my head hurt.
>I do not intend to buy "Gateway".
The novel "Gateway" itself was written in an expermental proto-MTV
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_%28novel%29
>which included
>"When the ships arrive, their crews find to their horror that they are
>in the gravitational grip of a black hole without enough power to break
>free. The crews devise a desperate escape plan: Move everyone into one
>ship and eject the other toward the black hole, thus gaining enough of a
>boost to escape. Working frantically to transfer unnecessary equipment
>to make room, Broadhead finds himself alone in the wrong ship ---
>due to the gravitational time dilation due to the black hole's immense
>gravity field, time is passing much more slowly for his former crewmates
>and none of them has actually died yet. Broadhead, however, concludes that
>this means that they will still be dying when he dies in several decades"
>
>Hmmm?
>
>Time changing tends to make my head hurt.
>I do not intend to buy "Gateway".
style skipping among many stylistic bits that sort of self-assemble
into a story. Normally I detest that kind of thing, but Gateway
actually worked for me. The time compression thing wasn't a big issue
in Gateway. I consider Gateway to be an "Odyssey" type story, where a
story pushes people through strange places where they see strange
things, but the story isn't really that important otherwise.
The sequel takes that storyline and retroactively makes it critically
important, while straightening out the new-wave storytelling into a
somewhat saner style. The time compression is the magic upbeat ending
of the second novel, and wasn't critical or much noticed till it
solved everyone's problems at the end of book two. (in book three or
five or whatever, they pull the girlfriend and crewmates out of the
black hole, but I had stopped caring.)
--
We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
Gene Wirchenko
May 10, 2016, 3:23:31 PM5/10/16
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On Mon, 9 May 2016 19:33:43 -0700, "a425couple"
<a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Brian M. Scott" <b.s...@csuohio.edu> wrote in message...
>> a425couple <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote
[snip]
<a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Brian M. Scott" <b.s...@csuohio.edu> wrote in message...
>> a425couple <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> Without going into a 30 year old guy promising to marry
>>> an 11 year old girl after she becomes an adult!
>> Again, why not? If the attraction is still there, there’s
>> no problem, and if it isn’t, the promise needn’t be kept.
>
>Ok, you can do as you wish.
>It appears to me, that you are thinking that a promise of marriage
>made to an 11 year old girl by about the only adult she trusts,
>(who then disappears for decades)
>will not have consequences for her growing up. Hmmm.
mind, it is not she who made the promise.
>I think adults should be very careful in avoiding putting
>themselves into conflicts of interest for youth.
>Hmmm, how much time would we let Justin Beiber
>spend in private talk with 11 year old fans?
>
>There is a VERY large body of discussion on that topic
>on the net. I can see both sides. But I would not have
>said the things Dan did.
Gene Wirchenko
Michael Black
May 10, 2016, 7:13:08 PM5/10/16
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On Mon, 9 May 2016, a425couple wrote:
> And the recent read, Heinlein's "The Door into Summer"
> that included 'time play' also, was not a favorite for me!
> Characters in future, leaving messages for their younger
> selves, -- agh!
> Without going into a 30 year old guy promising
> to marry an 11 year old girl after she becomes an adult!
>
I never noticed that part until I read other people talking about it.
> And the recent read, Heinlein's "The Door into Summer"
> that included 'time play' also, was not a favorite for me!
> Characters in future, leaving messages for their younger
> selves, -- agh!
> Without going into a 30 year old guy promising
> to marry an 11 year old girl after she becomes an adult!
>
But I'd point out, my great, great, great grandmother was about 14 years
old when she went with my great, great, great grandfather, who was around
29 at the time. They didn't even get married by European standards until
about 1824, 12 years after they first got together. But it was 200 years
ago, so times are different. On one hand it does seem exploitive, but on
the other that was they way it was. He stayed with her for forty years,
until he died.
I assume my great, great, great, great grandparents gave some level of
approval, though word is they didn't trust white people after the pair
moved away.
I think the Heinlein book that represents my great, great, great
grandmother is "The Star Beast", I'd like to think it was curiosity that
made her go with this guy who might have been the first white man she met.
Michael
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
May 11, 2016, 9:20:01 AM5/11/16
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On 5/10/16 7:13 PM, Michael Black wrote:
> On Mon, 9 May 2016, a425couple wrote:
>
>
>> And the recent read, Heinlein's "The Door into Summer"
>> that included 'time play' also, was not a favorite for me!
>> Characters in future, leaving messages for their younger
>> selves, -- agh!
>> Without going into a 30 year old guy promising
>> to marry an 11 year old girl after she becomes an adult!
> I never noticed that part until I read other people talking about it.
>
> But I'd point out, my great, great, great grandmother was about 14 years
> old when she went with my great, great, great grandfather, who was
> around 29 at the time.
My wife's grandmother was 12 when she got married here, to an immigrant
> On Mon, 9 May 2016, a425couple wrote:
>
>
>> And the recent read, Heinlein's "The Door into Summer"
>> that included 'time play' also, was not a favorite for me!
>> Characters in future, leaving messages for their younger
>> selves, -- agh!
>> Without going into a 30 year old guy promising
>> to marry an 11 year old girl after she becomes an adult!
> I never noticed that part until I read other people talking about it.
>
> But I'd point out, my great, great, great grandmother was about 14 years
> old when she went with my great, great, great grandfather, who was
> around 29 at the time.
who was 21 that she'd never seen, but who was sent here to marry her.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com Blog:
http://seawasp.livejournal.com
a425couple
May 11, 2016, 12:49:16 PM5/11/16
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"Gene Wirchenko" <ge...@telus.net> wrote in message ...
involvement in an adult to 11 year old girl relationship.
As to the 'eww!' factor, I think one of the deepest anti "Uncle Dan"
comments was along the lines of, "I don't think there's anything
remotely creepy about an 11-year old girl wanting to marry a
father-figure. Happens all the time. What I think is creepy is the
father-figure coming up with a way for it to happen."
But as I'm seeing it, to Dan's defense, he had just been
horribly shaken up, and hurt, he did no crime, it appears
he always wished the best for Rikky, and at least a half year
or so into their marriage both seemed quite happy.
As I'd said,
here are a few of the many sources:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=558450
http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=912884
https://relentlessreading.com/2014/10/11/the-door-into-summer/
> "a425couple" <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>"Brian M. Scott" <b.s...@csuohio.edu> wrote in message...
>>> a425couple <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote
>
>>"Brian M. Scott" <b.s...@csuohio.edu> wrote in message...
>>> a425couple <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> Without going into a 30 year old guy promising to marry
>>>> an 11 year old girl after she becomes an adult!
>
> *She* asked *him*.
I do not think the above 'defense' does much to justify
>>>> an 11 year old girl after she becomes an adult!
>
> *She* asked *him*.
involvement in an adult to 11 year old girl relationship.
As to the 'eww!' factor, I think one of the deepest anti "Uncle Dan"
comments was along the lines of, "I don't think there's anything
remotely creepy about an 11-year old girl wanting to marry a
father-figure. Happens all the time. What I think is creepy is the
father-figure coming up with a way for it to happen."
But as I'm seeing it, to Dan's defense, he had just been
horribly shaken up, and hurt, he did no crime, it appears
he always wished the best for Rikky, and at least a half year
or so into their marriage both seemed quite happy.
As I'd said,
>>There is a VERY large body of discussion on that topic
>>on the net. I can see both sides. But I would not have
>>said the things Dan did.
For those who wish to read more on the topic,
>>on the net. I can see both sides. But I would not have
>>said the things Dan did.
here are a few of the many sources:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=558450
http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=912884
https://relentlessreading.com/2014/10/11/the-door-into-summer/
a425couple
May 11, 2016, 1:01:13 PM5/11/16
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"Greg Goss" <go...@gossg.org> wrote in message ...
> The sequel takes that storyline and retroactively makes it ----
> --- (in book three or
With my current slow reading speed, and short attention span,
I'm quite sure, I'd have quit caring or reading WAY before that!
> "a425couple" <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Time changing tends to make my head hurt.
>>I do not intend to buy "Gateway".
>
> The novel "Gateway" itself was written in an expermental proto-MTV
> style -------------
>>
>>Time changing tends to make my head hurt.
>>I do not intend to buy "Gateway".
>
> The novel "Gateway" itself was written in an expermental proto-MTV
> The sequel takes that storyline and retroactively makes it ----
> --- (in book three or
> five or whatever, they pull the girlfriend and crewmates out of the
> black hole, but I had stopped caring.)
Thanks for the information.
> black hole, but I had stopped caring.)
With my current slow reading speed, and short attention span,
I'm quite sure, I'd have quit caring or reading WAY before that!
Gene Wirchenko
May 11, 2016, 4:46:24 PM5/11/16
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On Wed, 11 May 2016 09:48:49 -0700, "a425couple"
<a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Gene Wirchenko" <ge...@telus.net> wrote in message ...
>> "a425couple" <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>"Brian M. Scott" <b.s...@csuohio.edu> wrote in message...
>>>> a425couple <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> Without going into a 30 year old guy promising to marry
>>>>> an 11 year old girl after she becomes an adult!
>>
>> *She* asked *him*.
>
>I do not think the above 'defense' does much to justify
>involvement in an adult to 11 year old girl relationship.
What involvement? He then goes for the Long Sleep.
<a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Gene Wirchenko" <ge...@telus.net> wrote in message ...
>> "a425couple" <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>"Brian M. Scott" <b.s...@csuohio.edu> wrote in message...
>>>> a425couple <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> Without going into a 30 year old guy promising to marry
>>>>> an 11 year old girl after she becomes an adult!
>>
>> *She* asked *him*.
>
>I do not think the above 'defense' does much to justify
>involvement in an adult to 11 year old girl relationship.
[snip]
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
Chris Zakes
May 13, 2016, 2:00:34 PM5/13/16
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On Wed, 11 May 2016 09:48:49 -0700, an orbital mind-control laser
caused "a425couple" <a425c...@hotmail.com> to write:
>"Gene Wirchenko" <ge...@telus.net> wrote in message ...
>> "a425couple" <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>"Brian M. Scott" <b.s...@csuohio.edu> wrote in message...
>>>> a425couple <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> Without going into a 30 year old guy promising to marry
>>>>> an 11 year old girl after she becomes an adult!
>>
>> *She* asked *him*.
>
>I do not think the above 'defense' does much to justify
>involvement in an adult to 11 year old girl relationship.
What "relationship"? They were friends becase Danny and her father
caused "a425couple" <a425c...@hotmail.com> to write:
>"Gene Wirchenko" <ge...@telus.net> wrote in message ...
>> "a425couple" <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>"Brian M. Scott" <b.s...@csuohio.edu> wrote in message...
>>>> a425couple <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> Without going into a 30 year old guy promising to marry
>>>>> an 11 year old girl after she becomes an adult!
>>
>> *She* asked *him*.
>
>I do not think the above 'defense' does much to justify
>involvement in an adult to 11 year old girl relationship.
were business partners
>As to the 'eww!' factor, I think one of the deepest anti "Uncle Dan"
>comments was along the lines of, "I don't think there's anything
>remotely creepy about an 11-year old girl wanting to marry a
>father-figure. Happens all the time. What I think is creepy is the
>father-figure coming up with a way for it to happen."
...and giving her ten-to-thirty years to change her mind. With the
>comments was along the lines of, "I don't think there's anything
>remotely creepy about an 11-year old girl wanting to marry a
>father-figure. Happens all the time. What I think is creepy is the
>father-figure coming up with a way for it to happen."
Hired Girl stock Danny gave her, she would have been financially
independent once she was a legal adult (21 in that story.) She could
have moved away, or married a high school or college boyfriend and
Danny, being in Cold Sleep at the time could have done nothing to stop
her. She could have been in Kalamazoo, under her husband's name with a
couple of kids by the time he woke up.
But note that her revival instructions say to *only* wake her when
Danny showed up (which was *not* part of his instructions to her.)
That says she *did* want the relationship, even grown up and with
years to think about changing her mind.
-Chris Zakes
Texas
--
GNU Terry Pratchett
Mind how you go.
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