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rpbc

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May 24, 2017, 2:17:01 AM5/24/17
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What an interesting development is the election of Donald John Trump to the office of President of the United States, America's Commander and Chief, to Bible believing people.... qualify that anyway you like. I don't think he's looking for deals for peace.. in Saudi, he so much as declared war on Islam using the word extremists as a proxy.. invoking God, and the afterlife.. giving them the choice to go along to get along or face a declaration of war... not some kind of territorial engagement involving factions, like Iraq.

I believe Daniel Greenfield of Frontpage magazine makes it undeniably clear for any who might be under an illusion of a world at peace, or escape through surrender. The so called process itself makes it impossible. Only the devil.. evil.. whatever you want to label it could produce a situation among beings like this. Read the comments section from the link. http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/266775/trump-israel-daniel-greenfield

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Trump in Israel

An education in Islamic terror.

May 23, 2017

Daniel Greenfield

When President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu met on the tarmac, they and their spouses chatted easily. The two conservative leaders have much in common. They are political insurgents who draw their support from a rougher working class overlooked and despised by leftist elites.

The polls said that Netanyahu and Trump would lose their respective elections. Instead they won big. They prevailed despite accusations of bigotry, attacks by celebrities and a torrent of fake media scandals. The media decided that the big story of Trump’s arrival in Israel would be their claim that Melania Trump had swatted her husband’s hand away. A few months ago, Netanyahu was in court testifying against a lefty journalist for spreading fake news that his wife had kicked him out of the car.

Like so much of the fake media news aimed at Trump, it was sourced from an anonymous source through another anonymous source who knew someone’s dog.

And, sure enough, Sara Netanyahu and Melania Trump bonded on the tarmac over the media’s hatred.

Trump and Netanyahu are political pragmatists with a strong economic focus who run to the right. Trump is a developer. Netanyahu has a degree in architecture. Trump has a Queens accent and Netanyahu still has his Philly accent. And they prevail despite the opposition of leftist elites.

Subtract the geography and this news story from Netanyahu’s victory would sound familiar to Trump. “Leftist, secular Tel Aviv went to sleep last night cautiously optimistic only to wake up this morning in a state of utter and absolute devastation.”

But there is one difference between the two men.

An hour before President Trump landed in Israel, a car struck people in Tel Aviv. Usually when a car hits people, it’s an accident. But in Israeli and in European cities, car ramming has become a terrorist tactic.

And so the incident was one of the first things that Trump heard about when he landed.

Police decided that it was an accident, but as the presidential visit got underway, there was the usual litany of violence; stonings, a fatality and a stabbing. And the question that so many of us now ponder across the civilized world rose unspoken each time blood was shed. Was it Islamic terrorism?

The efforts of conservative Israeli prime ministers to contain the fallout of a disastrous peace process with terrorists set into motion by leftist prime ministers have reduced the violence so that it no longer touches the lives of most Israelis on a regular basis. But it is always there. And it never truly goes away.

That is what must be understood when we talk about “peace”.

No amount of outreach to Muslim terrorists ends the violence. Not in Europe or America. And not in Israel; the country that has become the test case for whether Muslims and non-Muslims can coexist.

President Trump’s itinerary of Saudi Arabia, Israel and Rome is a gamble that “the three Abrahamic Faiths” will join in a coalition to take on Iran and ISIS. It’s a better plan than Bush’s push for regional democracy or Obama’s violently destructive backing for Islamist political takeovers in the Arab Spring. A common enemy is more likely to get different groups behind the same cause. But having a common enemy should not be confused with having peace. At best it means a very temporary truce.

Netanyahu understands this because he has far more experience with Islamic terrorism. When it comes to Islamic terrorism, there are few countries that have faced it as consistently and constantly as Israel.

Muslim terrorists have struck America before. But only in the last decade were the Islamic colonies in the United States large enough and young enough to mount a constant drumbeat of attack plots.

Thousands of terrorism investigations are still new to America. They’re a way of life in Israel.

Terrorism is a bloody education. Trump knows far more about Islamic terrorism than Bush did. And Bush knew far more than his father. Most Americans still can’t conceive of the idea that peace is impossible. It’s too grim and hopeless. We’ve come a long way since the Obama years. But we aren’t there yet.

In the spring of his first year, Obama traveled to the Middle East to seek a “new beginning” with the Muslim world. He stopped off first in Saudi Arabia, but saved his speech calling for political change until his arrival in Egypt. Trump delivered his key speech in Saudi Arabia disavowing calls for political change. Instead America’s relationship with the Muslim world would be defined by its national security needs.

Obama blamed colonialism for the poor relations between the West and the Muslim world. His solution was to dismantle Western power. Trump defined Islamic terrorism as the problem and unity against it as the solution. Obama had bypassed Israel and traveled on to Germany making a heavily publicized visit to the Buchenwald concentration camp. Trump continued on to Israel instead.

The difference was profound.

Obama was more comfortable engaging with Jews as victims and, in a typically egotistical manner, envisioning what the victims of the Holocaust might have made of his visit. “They could not have known that one day an American President would visit this place and speak of them.” His Cairo speech reduced Israel to a byproduct of the Holocaust. If so, Israel’s capital might as well be in Buchenwald.

Trump however is ready to interact with the living Jewish present in Israel. His trip to the Western Wall, the first by a sitting president, and a cancelled visit to Masada, sought to engage with Israel’s national and religious identity. They signify a recognition that Obama never offered to Israel.

In Saudi Arabia, President Trump rolled out a vision of relationships based on national interest. And no such relationship can be built without recognizing national identity. Trump’s recognition of Israel’s national identity adds a note of respect. But Israel is one of the few nations in the region.

Nations can make peace. They can put aside their bloody past and at least learn to ignore each other. And in the West, religion has come to act as a moral operating system within the infrastructure of nations. Religion provides guidelines that transcend the law. The legal system can only tell us what we must do or may not do to each other. Religion tells us what we ought to do or not do to each other. It is a personal conscience and a relationship to a higher authority than mere government.

Saudi Arabia isn’t a nation. Neither is “Palestine”. They’re powerful extended families whose form of worship is terrorism. Islamic terrorism isn’t a perversion of Islam. It’s the implementation of Islam.

Islam provides the morale and motive for the conquest. And once the conquest is complete, it provides the framework for the kingdom. Islam’s message is the inferiority of Muslims to non-Muslims. War affirms the message. Oppression internalizes it. Islam is meaningful only when it is killing and oppressing infidels. It is not a religion of the persecuted, but the persecutors. Its theology is violent supremacism.

President Trump deserves credit for refusing to let the Saudis pretend that some Islamic terror groups are more legitimate than others by classing together ISIS with Hamas. But the only Islamic terrorism that the Saudis will reject is that which does not serve their interests. And even if they wanted to, they could no more end popular support for Islamic terrorism than Iraq could become a multicultural utopia through the magic of democracy.

Nor can Israel make peace with Islamic terrorists no matter how many more concessions Prime Minister Netanyahu offers them. President Trump calls it a tough deal. But you can only make a deal with someone who follows some of the same rules you do. You can’t make a deal with Islamic terrorists whose only rules are that the Koran lets them anything they want to you.

President Trump called Islamic terrorism evil. And it is. But it’s not just evil. Its codes and ethics are utterly incompatible with our own. The only way to negotiate is through threats. And even threats only go so far with fanatics who believe that if they die, they will earn 72 virgins in paradise.

Islamic entities will tell any lie and commit any crime to accelerate their objective of conquering us. Whether they tell a lie or commit a crime depends on whether they’re moderates or extremists.

Yesterday, I heard Geert Wilders speak. And I recognized a leader who understands this grim reality. Few of his fellow Europeans do. Even fewer American politicians share that understanding. Europe is facing a deeper threat than America. And Israel has been confronting a bigger threat than Europe.

Every act of Islamic terror educates us. It is a difficult and bloody education. We graduate when we realize who our enemies are and how impossible it is to achieve any peace with them.

President Trump's walk to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre required thousands of police officers, closed stores and houses filled with snipers while their residents were evacuated.

That is life under the shadow of terrorism.

It’s not only presidents who have to live this way. It’s all of us in Jerusalem and Paris, in Manchester and in Rome where there are soldiers in the street and cries of “Allah Akbar” in the air. And then a car speeds up, a knife slashes, a plane crashes or a bomb goes off.

And the education continues.

geraldkrug

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May 24, 2017, 2:34:38 AM5/24/17
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WW3 then but as I said we need to cobble together and create systems that identify all people on the street near you if no id the police know instantly unknowns

geraldkrug

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May 24, 2017, 2:39:12 AM5/24/17
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That not life it's showing life is hell unless your rich. So if your rich do your rich job and kick in like the world beaters you are.

geraldkrug

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May 24, 2017, 3:00:29 AM5/24/17
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It's like MY rats they're excuse to knaw out is it's fun to bite who gets in.

rpbc

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May 24, 2017, 3:19:40 AM5/24/17
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On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 11:34:38 PM UTC-7, geraldkrug wrote:
> WW3 then but as I said we need to cobble together and create systems that identify all people on the street near you if no id the police know instantly unknowns

rpbc: No.. it's not WWIII then... it is WWIII.. and the outcome of this incarnation of the Great War is in fact uncertain. Whatever... I want the good guys to win.

geraldkrug

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May 24, 2017, 3:05:28 PM5/24/17
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I said, if there's no negotiations it's ww3 then. Your English is bad foreigner. Then is not used as a past tence

rpbc

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May 24, 2017, 4:20:23 PM5/24/17
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On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 12:05:28 PM UTC-7, geraldkrug wrote:
> I said, if there's no negotiations it's ww3 then. Your English is bad foreigner. Then is not used as a past tence

rpbc: It's tense, not tence... and I copied it, your context, as such, English is correct.. either way communication was accomplished as in, you got the message... and your post is conciliatory... which means your personal self interest felt the sting of ignoring common sense.

geraldkrug

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May 24, 2017, 5:09:47 PM5/24/17
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Sting? Your stung, Haha


The letter was signed by the committee’s top Democrat, Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.), and the top Democrats of key Financial Services subcommittees. The Democrats complained that the GOP chair of the Financial Services Committee, Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-Tex.), has not responded to requests to use the committee’s full power to investigate Deutsche Bank and the work of its Moscow office.

“Deutsche Bank’s pattern of involvement in money laundering schemes with primarily Russian participation, its unconventional relationship with the President, and its repeated violations of U.S. banking laws over the past several years, all raise serious questions about whether the Bank’s reported reviews of the mirror trading scheme and Trump’s financial ties to Russia were sufficiently robust,” the Democrats wrote in their letter.

geraldkrug

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May 24, 2017, 11:30:17 PM5/24/17
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Former Trump campaign chairman submits Russia-related documents to intelligence panels.

Gerald - smoking guns and pictures of its bullets hitting the American people.

geraldkrug

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May 25, 2017, 5:05:15 PM5/25/17
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Housing Secretary Ben Carson Says Poverty Is A 'State Of Mind'
May 25, 20173:50 PM ET

When it comes to poor Americans, the Trump administration has a message: Government aid is holding many of them back. Without it, many more of them would be working.

Office of Management and Budget (OMB) Director Mick Mulvaney said as much when presenting the administration's budget plan this week to cut safety net programs by hundreds of billions of dollars over the next 10 years. The administration also wants to tighten work requirements for those getting aid, such as food stamps, or Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits.

"If you're on food stamps, and you're able-bodied, we need you to go to work. If you're on disability insurance and you're not supposed to be — if you're not truly disabled, we need you to go back to work," he said.

On Wednesday night, Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson — whose budget to help low-income households would be cut by more than $6 billion next year — added his own thoughts. He said in a radio interview that "poverty to a large extent is also a state of mind."

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Carson — who himself grew up in poverty to become a widely acclaimed neurosurgeon — said people with the "right mind set" can have everything taken away from them, and they'll pull themselves up. He believes the converse is true as well. "You take somebody with the wrong mind-set, you can give them everything in the world (and) they'll work their way right back down to the bottom," Carson said.

Anti-poverty advocates say both Carson and Mulvaney are fundamentally wrong, that most low-income people would work if they could. And many of them already do. They just don't make enough to live on.

"All Americans, but particularly one of the top federal anti-poverty officials, should understand that the main causes of U.S. poverty are economic, not mental," said Joel Berg, CEO of Hunger Free America. "Overwhelming facts and data prove that the main causes of poverty are low wages, too few jobs, and an inadequate safety net – not some sort of personal attitude problem."

He and other advocates say the image of millions of able-bodied people sitting around collecting checks doesn't match reality. About two-thirds of the 42 million people who get SNAP benefits are elderly, disabled or children. A majority of SNAP families with kids have at least one person who's working, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

Olivia Golden, executive director of the nonpartisan Center for Law and Social Policy (CLASP), says one of the biggest obstacles to getting people off government aid is the lack of decent-paying jobs.

"Two-thirds of poor children live with an adult who's working," she says. "So working is no guarantee of being above poverty."

Golden says Carson's suggestion that poor people are lazy or somehow at fault is "an idea that through American history has been an excuse for really bad policy decisions." She cited lack of investments in education, and says the comments are especially egregious given the president's budget proposal. It calls for steep cuts in education, health care, job training and other supports for low-income Americans.

Golden argues that, rather than discourage work, government support — such a food aid and health care — can encourage people to seek and keep jobs by helping them to stabilize their lives. She says it's easier to work if you aren't worried about being hungry or sick.

Michael Tanner of the libertarian Cato Institute also thinks Carson is wrong about poverty being a state of mind. "Poverty is being poor," says Tanner.

But he agrees that government benefits can sometimes be a disincentive to working, because people make an economic decision about whether they'll be better off if they take a job. By the time they calculate the loss of benefits, taxes they'll have to pay and the cost of employment — such as child care and transportation — it's often not worth it.

He also thinks that some people stuck in poverty do make bad choices — such as dropping out of school or getting pregnant — that worsen their economic outlook.

But Tanner says many poor Americans have to deal with conditions that are not of their making and prevent them from getting ahead. He thinks the answer isn't cutting government aid, but dealing with the barriers to work, including a lack of education and a criminal justice system that leaves many — especially African-American men — with criminal records that prevent them from getting hired.

Joel Berg thinks raising the minimum wage would also help, as would making housing more affordable for low-income families. The Trump budget would cut some of these programs, overseen by HUD Secretary Carson.

In presenting the budget, OMB Director Mulvaney did offer this assurance for those people who are getting government aid. "We are going to do everything we can to help you find a job that you are suited to and a job that you can use to help take care of you, yourself, and your family," he said.

He didn't provide details other than to add, "If you're in this country and you want to work, there's good news, because Donald Trump is President and we're going to get 3 percent growth, and we're going to give you the opportunity to go back to work."

Mulvaney also promised that the administration would not kick "anybody off of any program who really needs it ... we have plenty of money in this country to take care of the people who need it."

Defining just who does and doesn't "need it" will likely be a big part of the debate as Congress considers what to do.

Gerald - There are no real jobs just endless fake job listings that require Gods not normal educated people.

geraldkrug

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May 25, 2017, 7:17:28 PM5/25/17
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geraldkrug

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May 25, 2017, 7:25:10 PM5/25/17
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Kushner, who held meetings in December with the Russian ambassador and a banker from Moscow, is being investigated because of the extent and nature of his interactions with the Russians, the people said.

Gerald - juicy isn't the word, jerkoffs own caught red handed Russian involved.

geraldkrug

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May 26, 2017, 4:36:59 PM5/26/17
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Senate, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts

cowman

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May 26, 2017, 9:10:32 PM5/26/17
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Dana petak, 26. svibnja 2017. u 01:25:10 UTC+2, korisnik geraldkrug napisao je:
> Kushner, who held meetings in December with the Russian ambassador and a banker from Moscow, is being investigated because of the extent and nature of his interactions with the Russians, the people said.
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> Gerald - juicy isn't the word, jerkoffs own caught red handed Russian involved.

internal war between Kushner and Ben Bernanke made all that shit..
American aristocracy is worse than russian Romanov and german Habsburgs together..
every day make some special judicial event for hungry jurnalism..
reminds me at time of Bolsevic revolution from 1917. when Rasputin atack german bankars of that time..


geraldkrug

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May 26, 2017, 10:43:49 PM5/26/17
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Cowman, it's likely a way to keep people on the same page when the
agenda needs to have believers.


Kushner Talked to Russian Envoy About Creating Secret Channel With Kremlin

geraldkrug

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May 26, 2017, 11:04:48 PM5/26/17
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Trump was meddling with an FBI investigation, he fired the FBI director when he wouldn’t go along with it, then he lied about why he’d fired the FBI director, and then later he confessed the truth. That the facts have emerged so quickly is disorienting, but it shouldn’t blind us to the basic reality that the whole saga has played out. And in terms of Trump’s basic unfitness to continue in office, there is little need for further investigation.

Gerald - like they said to Nixon "It's over" and two days later Nixon resigned.
Repeat this with conviction "It's over"...
Feels good.

geraldkrug

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May 27, 2017, 12:41:36 AM5/27/17
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When you are surrounded by crime the truth can vary or not need be at all since lies are the language of crime, Kill jerkoff !

geraldkrug

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May 27, 2017, 12:45:05 AM5/27/17
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Republicans can say they caught a mobster and celebrate, so then say it.

geraldkrug

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May 27, 2017, 12:50:01 AM5/27/17
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And you can take MY money and get that solid precious metal asteroid worth $10,000 gazillion

geraldkrug

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May 27, 2017, 2:21:26 PM5/27/17
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The link between intelligence and religion can be explained if religion is considered an instinct, and intelligence the ability to rise above one’s instincts.

Gerald - if laziness won't work then work has to work.

geraldkrug

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May 27, 2017, 2:36:38 PM5/27/17
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Ex-CIA Director: CIA would consider Kushner actions 'espionage'

Gerald - so put him in jail for his protection, haha

geraldkrug

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May 27, 2017, 2:43:11 PM5/27/17
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It's getting harder to say Russian meddling didn't actually help lead to Trump's victory and Clinton's loss
Analysis.

Gerald - every election where the polls said one candidate was 4 points ahead that candidate won. I saw the fix was in after seeing just 30 minutes of election night coverage. I have MY sources

geraldkrug

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May 27, 2017, 4:13:38 PM5/27/17
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, the White House plans to far more aggressively combat the cascading revelations about contacts between Trump associates, including Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser, and Russia


Gerald - more obstruction of Justice...
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