Re: Barbie Bridges AKA Pastor Melissa Scott SLAMS Into Nigeria
PopeChumpo
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The long-winded one says he is a pastor and an attorney too! Maybe
this is whats been wrong with the church all along. We need a good
legal mind to intrepret all that confusion in the bible. Forget that
Jesus awknowledged the word would be understood by little children and
not the wise of the world. Lets all feel closer to God, and demand
your pastor have nothing less than a law degree. Or even better, just
watch Barbie at LAUC. She clear up any doubts you might have about
first fruits, and that it basically means "giving close to the self-
bankruptcy level."
studio
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> http://thepmnews.com/2009/07/27/bakare-accuses-pastors-of-exploitation
studio wrote:
THIS IS SO MUCH BULLSHIT !!!!
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Let me say this at the start: I am a Pastor, and an attorney too.Mind
you instead of taking from, I believe much more in giving so that I
can receive, because God loves a cheerful giver. I have committed
millions to the work of God and I support the principle of first
fruits. I do not support pastors exploiting their members as referred
to by revered Pastor Bakare. However, here, I am making a contribution
to clarify issues and remove ambiguities from the minds of those who
may not know the concepts.
First Fruits are a religious offering of the first agricultural
produce of the harvest. In classical Greek, Roman, Hebrew and
Christian religions, the first fruits were offered to the temple or
church. First Fruits were often a primary source of income to maintain
the religious leaders and the facility. Beginning in 1966 a unique
“First Fruits” celebration brought the Ancient African harvest
festivals that became the African American Holiday, Kwanzaa.
In Ancient Israel, First Fruits were a type of terumah that was akin
to, but distinct from, terumah gedolah. While terumah gedolah was an
agricultural tithe, Bikkurim were a sacrificial gift brought up to the
altar. (Bikkurim 3:12). The major obligation to bring First Fruits
(Heb. Bikkurim) to the Temple began at the festival of Shavuot and
continued until the festival of Sukkot. (Bikkurim 1:6). This tithe was
limited to the traditional seven agricultural products (wheat, barley,
grapes in the form of wine, figs, pomegranates, olives in the form of
oil, and dates) grown in Israel.This tithe, and the associated
festival of Shavuot, is legislated by the Torah. Textual critics
speculate that these regulations were imposed long after the offerings
and festival had developed.
By the time of classical antiquity, extensive regulations regarding
Bikkurim were recorded in the classical rabbinical literature.
According to Jewish law, the corners of fields, wild areas, left-overs
after harvesting (gleanings), and unowned crops were not subjected to
(and could not be used as) the tithe of First Fruits (they were
intended to be left as charity for the poor, and other
mendicants);plants from outside Palestine were also prohibited from
inclusion in the tithe, as was anything belonging to non-Jews. The
rules also specify that that each type of product had to be
individually tithed, even if the numbers were balanced so that there
was no difference in amount between this situation and using just some
types of First Fruit as the tithe, and retaining others in their
entirety. Fruit which was allocated to the tithe could not be swapped
for fruit which wasn’t, to the extent that wine couldn’t be swapped
for vinegar, and olive oil couldn’t be replaced by olives;
furthermore, Fruits were not allowed to be individually divided if
only part went to the tithe (small whole onions had to be used rather
than fractions of large onions, for example). For further reading see
the authoritative (Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).
Never in defence of pastors or churches using the first fruits to
exploit their members. However, I am writing to explain that it may
not necessarily be in the concept respected Pastor Bakare depicted the
first fruit concept. I believe it is not all the new year salaries,
but part of the produce or out put tithed, and for those who are
spiritually inclined and know the blessings that money cannot buy,
which they derive, they pay it voluntarily and not by compulsion.
This concept is not limited to Nigeria, but peculiar to all the body
of Christ all over the world. See examples: As taught by Pastor
Melissa Scott from the Los Angeles University Cathedral: ON
FIRSTFRUITS, why is this important? The concept of firstfruits is not
so you can go and get blessed. There is a first concept before your
blessing comes. God says, “You take the first of whatever comes in
your hands, the first of your harvest, whatever it is and you bring it
to the priest.” That’s before blessing. Blessing afterwards. Too many
people don’t understand because they come with a social or moral idea
of what patrons are supposed to be. They think that somehow if they
are not earning money on a regular basis, they ought to not be giving.
No. In fact, that’s the time when you’re supposed to be giving. That’s
faith! You give when you can’t give.
There are at least another five firstfruit concepts that come in God’s
book. Here in Deuteronomy 18, the priests, the Levites and all the
tribe of Levi. For those who are not familiar with the Old Testament,
the Levites were those who were designated to the priesthood in the
Old Testament, “The Levites shall have no part nor inheritance with
Israel: they shall eat the offering of the LORD made by fire, and His
inheritance. Therefore shall they have no inheritance among their
brethren: the LORD is their inheritance, as He hath said unto them.
And this shall be the priests due (right) from the people, from them
that offer a sacrifice, whether it be ox or sheep; and they shall give
unto the priest the shoulder……
Furthermore, in Exodus 23. Now this is good review for some to see,now
if you begin to read, you’ll see it starts with the Feast of
Unleavened Bread and a reminder of the Passover. It goes down to the
feast of Pentecost, which is being called the Feast of Harvest, the
firstfruits of thy labor. There are two concepts of firstfruits. There
is the feast of firstfruits that occurred as feast within a feast and
firstfruits though the whole Bible, which was, if it happened in the
middle of the year. (If you got a new job in the middle of the year),
you brought the firstfruits of your job. People just mix this up and
make it sound like it’s one big melting pot. No. God separates the
two. One specifically, feast of firstfruits and firstfruit. We work by
the calendar where now we are in 2009; therefore, the firstfruits of
the year, going by our calendar, (if we are in January 2009,) says
this is firstfruits month (January). Those who understand, who have
been taught will know what to do. Listen carefully to what it says.
Verse19, the first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring
into the house of the LORD thy God.”
Again, in Israel, based on Biblical tenets and also Judaism(see
Encyclopedia of Judaism): the bringing of first fruits was accompanied
by the liturgical recitation touching upon Israel’s origins, the
sojourn in Egypt, and the Exodus, as related in Deuteronomy 26:1-11.
The passage in Deuteronomy concludes (see verse 10) with the
prescription that the first fruits be “set before the Lord.” According
to Numbers 18:12-13 they became the property of the priests,
comprising part of their priestly income.
The season during which the first fruits were brought began during the
festival of Shavu’Ot (which was known as Ḥag ha-Bikkurim, Festival of
the First Fruits) and closed with ḥanukkah, though it was considered
advisable to bring them prior to Sukkot.
The Hebrew root of bikkurim (first fruits) is the same as that of
bekhor (first-born), and the obligation to dedicate the first fruits
to God is part of an overall biblical belief that the first of
everything, including the firstborn of man and beast, belongs to God
(see Firstborn, Redemption of). After the destruction of the Temple,
the rabbis suggested that charity be given in place of first fruits.
A first fruits ceremony in various forms has been revived in
agricultural settlements of contemporary Israel. Celebrations replete
with colorful costumes, folk dancing, and the active participation of
young children are widely held on or around the festival of Shavu’ot.
PopeChumpo
It is probably Barbie herself...plugging LAUC no less
studio
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studio wrote:
Yep, you might be right!
I like this evasive line especially:
"I have committed
millions to the work of God
and I support the principle of first
fruits. "
studio: what does that mean?
I have committed millions, millions
of what? Millions of dollars or millions
of poor suckers giving their hard earned
bucks to Melissa? Either way, both
examples would be a lie.
Secondly, yeah, I too would support the
FF principle if it bought me everything
for nothing.
Not sure if it is Melissa, but it is rather
disturbing knowing that maybe this
long letter is how she really thinks
of others....as slaves.
Disturbing, but not surprising.
Weatherman
legalistic giving exercises. He knew he would have turned the new
gentile churches into quasi Jewish sects.
PopeChumpo
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She needs to be committed.
studio
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studio wrote:
Well PopeChumpo, you got me started on
a word study here......committed.
Maybe she meant that she has abandoned
any and all work for the cause and has
"committed" it all to God.
Does that fly when you're a cult leader?
It sure does since you don't give a shit anyway!
Committed millions?
A million thoughts?
A million ideas?
A million wishes?
A million prayers?
A million guys like Pauly Jr falling
all over her?
A million Melissa worshippers?
buckst...@gmail.com
Kro
ARMORBAND
> Who the fuck are you just sounding off on old dead shit in this forum assuming place at being clever? Asshole
mthr...@yahoo.com
legalistic giving exercises. He knew he would have turned the new
gentile churches into quasi Jewish sects.>>>
When are these pastors going to get it we don’t have to be Jews..we don’t have To be circumcised we can eat pork we’re not bound by the tithe we’re bound by grace...
What was meant for the Jews the Fulfillment and the grays were given to us The Gentiles, now we’re going to act like
Jews?
When the Jews Recognize ( messiah) they will be unchained and embrace easily the ethos of the sermon on the mount..
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