What's right/wrong with furry fandom
NOEL TOMINACK, ACS 24-HOUR LAB
rarely in the past 3 years to avoid problems. But there are 2 things that
have prompted me to finally speak my mind here: The first has been this
thread about what is right/wrong with furrydom, and the second was
attending a small furry party at the home of Peter Stoller this past
weekend.
I've read both Lance Rund's and Rich Chandler's versions of the
history of furry fandom. Being a lifelong Maryland resident, I know from
personal expereince that Chandler's history is more accurate--and true. I
have been saying for 6 years now that there *is* a differece between the
furries on the East and West coasts, and been flamed severely for that.
Its nice to get a little validation, especially when its unexpected.
[One thing I will add to Chandler's history, is that on the East
Coast, several small furry "core groups" formed in certain cities, usually
via anime meetings and groups. Unfortunately, this did not happen in
Maryland and it looks like I am the only active fur fan left since Vicky
Wyman moved to Virginia]
From my own observations, furry fandom never quite caught on here
as it did out west. I (as well as Ray Rooney and Kevin Carroll) helped set
up furry paries at Balticon and Philcon, and I have gotten people
interested in what is out there, some of them even stayed interested.
Now I am not sure about Lance's expereinces, but I have truely been
an outsider/outcast in furry fandom for reasons way too numerous to mention
here. In fact, Edd Vick once referred to me as a "Furvert Expatriate" and
I kind of liked the term so I kept it. Even though I have been through the
wringer and am not exactly on the 'A' list of fur fans--I still enjoy the
fanzines and meeting people at the cons. Yeah, I am bitter, outspoken,
and have more attitude than tact--but I wouldn't give up the freindships
and the fun I have had despite all that.
Actually, I see the emergence of two types of fur fans, the "old
school" fur fans--the ones who have been fur fans for many years, and the
new one--the people who discovered furrydom through FurryMuck and gifs on
the net. I've watched the two interact at Philcon and at Stoller's furry
party, and noticed they keep to their own groups. Perhaps this is what
Lance was trying to get at with his lost sense of community.
But all this influx of FurryMuckers is a *good* thing! I remeber
at Philcons in the past where there were maybe 20 or so fur fans who came
to the con just for the furry stuff. At the 1993 con--we took up an entire
floor! (There should be a lesson in that for Balticon :/ ). Sure, furry
fandom is no longer the tight-knit little core groups that I remember, now
there are a lot more people and an expanding market! I only hope the Old
School fur fans can see that becuse of the Internet that this influx will
make us more respectable, and that we can all become one big group.
The Internet is also bridging gaps between the West Coast and the
rest of the country, now there are fur fans all over the country and they
communicate quickly and easily. Its a shame all that debate over scanning
and gifs started up. I once forsaw somone being able to assemble a furry
fanzine with scans and desktop publishing--and then Emailing the finish
product out--paperless fanzines. Could the Old School out West be
concerned they are losing some of their prestige becuase of this?
Anyway, its nice to see some discussion going on. Next post I will
rant and rave a little about various things: the floodgates have been
opened.
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Dan Skunk
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They are:
Sage Skunk (with pet Caper)
Bree Bunny-quess what forest critter (with pet Twist)
Patter Peacock
Felicity Fox
They are cute!
And I'm, a grown man
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(also wow folks are still here!)
Snuhwolf
> HOLY THREAD NECROMANCY !!!
> (also wow folks are still here!)
>
Dan Skunk
> HOLY THREAD NECROMANCY !!!
> (also wow folks are still here!)
>
Snuhwolf
Somthing I dun liek.
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Ivan Shmakov
>>>>> On 05/30/2018 06:53 PM, Dan Skunk wrote:
>>>>> On 2018-05-29 06:54 PM, katty...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> HOLY THREAD NECROMANCY !!!
>>> (also wow folks are still here!)
>> I’m still here. And not dead yet.
> Heh… I might be soon. I either have MS or throat cancer. Somthing
> I dun liek.
(It’s neither duck nor rabbit; it’s black humor season!)
Could you please share on /just how on Earth/ did you manage to
get /that?/ I’m genuinely curious; I hope I can learn from your
example and follow it /as distantly as humanely possible!/
Now, don’t you dare to do anything gross just yet. Not until
you’ve learned to sing “Широка страна моя родная…” – in a way
that no one would tell you from a native speaker (or singer,
as the case might be.)
⁂
… So, I’ve been bicycling in the country last weekend. A few
hours before noon; the sun is shining, the breeze’s wonderful,
and the Great River's waters are high and wide, and seen
from far away. And I’m meandering slowly amidst the villages
having the worst headache I had on a outdoors trip in years;
taking glances to the cemeteries appearing in a distance along
my way, and pondering if I'm going to make it or not.
Covered perhaps 20 km (of planned 50 km or so) before getting
back to the station. Stayed there for an hour, taking a snack
of rye bread and dried yellow kumquats, before the next train
came and took me home.
Hopefully it's all my good old chronic issues, meeting somewhat
unstable weather at the time. Though perhaps I should take care
to at least eat more bananas and walnuts.
--
FSF associate member #7257 np. Mother Russia — Iron Maiden
Snuhwolf
>>>>>> Snuhwolf <snuh...@netscape.net> writes:
>>>>>> On 05/30/2018 06:53 PM, Dan Skunk wrote:
>>>>>> On 2018-05-29 06:54 PM, katty...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>> HOLY THREAD NECROMANCY !!!
>
> “Google Groups. Catering to all your newscromancy needs since 2001.”
>
> >>> (also wow folks are still here!)
>
> >> I’m still here. And not dead yet.
>
> (Was out of Usenet for a few months, for reasons; see other post.)
>
> > Heh… I might be soon. I either have MS or throat cancer. Somthing
> > I dun liek.
>
> (It’s neither duck nor rabbit; it’s black humor season!)
>
> Could you please share on /just how on Earth/ did you manage to
> get /that?/ I’m genuinely curious; I hope I can learn from your
> example and follow it /as distantly as humanely possible!/
>
cleaning industry...
> Now, don’t you dare to do anything gross just yet. Not until
> you’ve learned to sing “Широка страна моя родная…” – in a way
> that no one would tell you from a native speaker (or singer,
> as the case might be.)
>
> ⁂
>
just say...Sh'to?
> … So, I’ve been bicycling in the country last weekend. A few
> hours before noon; the sun is shining, the breeze’s wonderful,
> and the Great River's waters are high and wide, and seen
> from far away. And I’m meandering slowly amidst the villages
> having the worst headache I had on a outdoors trip in years;
> taking glances to the cemeteries appearing in a distance along
> my way, and pondering if I'm going to make it or not.
>
> Covered perhaps 20 km (of planned 50 km or so) before getting
> back to the station. Stayed there for an hour, taking a snack
> of rye bread and dried yellow kumquats, before the next train
> came and took me home.
>
> Hopefully it's all my good old chronic issues, meeting somewhat
> unstable weather at the time. Though perhaps I should take care
> to at least eat more bananas and walnuts.
>