Pudding preservation?

[Bob]

I was planning to make a big baked rice pudding to take to a friend's Sat. for an event including his birthday party. It's pretty much a milk-egg custard on top of rice. It's about a 1:15 car trip, but because it's dessert it may sit out for a while after that before it's consumed. I think there's enough refrigerator space for it there, but because of the nature of the event, we may want to leave it out. I don't want people to get sick from it.

Is freezing it beforehand, letting it thaw on the way, a viable strategy for preservation, or would the contents separate on freezing & thawing? Am I wrong to think it will need preservation? Would the combination of sugar and rice reduce the custard's water activity enough to preserve it against several hours of room temperature? If a custard does separate from a freeze-thaw, does it remix to uniformity easily? Or should I just chill it before traveling, and refrigerate it on arrival, taking it out only at dessert time?

Bob in NJ

[Les Albert]

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 12:47:38 -0700 (PDT), Bob <rob...@bestweb.net>
wrote:

>I was planning to make a big baked rice pudding to take to a friend's Sat. for an event including his birthday party. It's pretty much a milk-egg custard on top of rice. It's about a 1:15 car trip, but because it's dessert it may sit out for a while after that before it's consumed. I think there's enough refrigerator space for it there, but because of the nature of the event, we may want to leave it out. I don't want people to get sick from it.
>Is freezing it beforehand, letting it thaw on the way, a viable strategy for preservation, or would the contents separate on freezing & thawing? Am I wrong to think it will need preservation? Would the combination of sugar and rice reduce the custard's water activity enough to preserve it against several hours of room temperature? If a custard does separate from a freeze-thaw, does it remix to uniformity easily? Or should I just chill it before traveling, and refrigerate it on arrival, taking it out only at dessert time?

Get one of these: http://www.rubbermaid.com/en-US/mini-pack and an
insulated container to hold it and your rice pudding after chilling
the rice pudding in the refrigerator.

Les

[Whiskers]

Yes, keep it refrigerated. Warm rice is notorious for breeding things
that can make people ill. I'd think about re-heating it *thoroughly*
before serving, too.

<http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/can-reheating-rice-cause-food-poisoning.aspx?CategoryID=51>

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[Bob]

I wasn't even thinking about the rice being the problem, only the custard, so that's...interesting...as in disturbing. (Some people pressure-cook rice, which WOULD inactivate the B. cereus or other spores.)

This rice gets boiled, and then, with an interval possibly long enough to cool it to room temperature (or refrigerated overnight), baked in the process of making the pudding. My latest plan is to do the baking (and possibly the boiling) in the morning before the trip. Not sure it would then have time to chill in the refrigerator -- not sure I'll have space with the other stuff I'm taking there -- and think maybe NOT refrigerating it at home would give it the shortest time in the bacteria-cultivating temperature range, but that depends on the timing of the ride.

I wonder if anybody's gamma-irradiating rice for the trade.

Bob in NJ

[Les Albert]

On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 13:06:28 -0700 (PDT), Bob <rob...@bestweb.net>

You are over-thinking a simple procedure. Just make the rice pudding
the day before; chill it; transport it chilled in a cold container as
suggested above. If your latest plan doesn't work then the birthday
party may be on the news at 11:00.

Les

[Bob]

I don't have a cold container as large as the baking pan, which is what the pudding will be baked & then transported in. This is not the kind of rice pudding made in a pot & poured, it's the kind baked in situ.

[Lesmond]

Wrap the pan tightly with plastic wrap. Put it in a garbage bag with a
bunch of ice.

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[BillT...@billturlock.com]

On Sat, 03 Jun 2017 15:45:37 -0400 (EDT), "Lesmond"
<les...@verizon.net> wrote:

>Put it in a garbage bag with a
>bunch of ice.

I don't like rice pudding either

[Peter Boulding]

On Sat, 03 Jun 2017 22:16:38 -0700, BillT...@BillTurlock.com wrote in
<3t57jc9svno24756e...@4ax.com>:

>>Put it in a garbage bag with a
>>bunch of ice.
>
>I don't like rice pudding either

<applause>

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[Bob]

I didn't even give it time to cool after baking before the car trip. It went into the refrigerator there. We had so much food for the few we were, some of whom being vegan wouldn't go for the milk in this, that I might've been the only one who ate any of it. (It's kind of bland after chocolate birthday cake too.) Then I took the rest home and refrigerated it again. This morning I had more. I got heartburn, but I think that was from the cinnamon & nutmeg -- fresh nutmeg nuts. Or from the oregano, garlic, & booze, which included a cocktail of my homemade cider, Fireball liqueur, extra sugar, & Coke.

Bob in NJ

[Lesmond]

That drink sounds delicious.

[Bob]

On Sunday, June 4, 2017 at 11:20:13 PM UTC-4, Lesmond wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Jun 2017 13:38:10 -0700 (PDT), Bob wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 3:50:05 PM UTC-4, Lesmond wrote:
> >>
> >> Wrap the pan tightly with plastic wrap. Put it in a garbage bag with a
> >> bunch of ice.
> >>
> >> --
> >I didn't even give it time to cool after baking before the car trip. It went into the refrigerator there. We had so much food for the few we were, some of whom being vegan wouldn't go for the milk in this, that I might've been the only one who ate any of it. (It's kind of bland after chocolate birthday cake too.) Then I took the rest home and refrigerated it again. This morning I had more. I got heartburn, but I think that was from the cinnamon & nutmeg -- fresh nutmeg nuts. Or from the oregano, garlic, & booze, which included a cocktail of my homemade cider, Fireball liqueur, extra sugar, & Coke.
>
> That drink sounds delicious.
>
> --

I'd made a cocktail of my home-fermented cider, some extra sugar (after the yeast was decanted off), and Fireball. I'd also brought along a partly-drunk 2 L Coke. They were both in 2L Coke bottles. The other guests didn't drink much, if any, of either, and I didn't feel like taking both bottles back home (where I have another half gallon fermenting), and our host suggested mixing them in one of the bottles. He was kidding, I think, but then I tried mixing some in my cup. I expected the mixture to taste awful, but it was great, so I made & drank more.

Fireball in commercial fizzy, hard cider is very good -- a trick Bill McNamara taught -- but Fireball's also good mixed with unfermented apple juice.

I'm actually getting bored with my apfelwein, may stop making batches continuously as I have for months. I should try freezing to make apple jack some day, though. I might try my hand at mead or grape wine. I'd really like to make sake or ale, because I like to drink them, but the process looks like trouble.

Bob in Andover

[Les Albert]

On Mon, 5 Jun 2017 07:24:37 -0700 (PDT), Bob <rob...@bestweb.net>
wrote:

>I'd made a cocktail of my home-fermented cider, some extra sugar (after the yeast was decanted off), and Fireball. I'd also brought along a partly-drunk 2 L Coke. They were both in 2L

They didn't eat your rice pudding, and they didn't drink your homemade
booze or your opened bottle of Coke. Were they giving you a message?

Les

[Whiskers]

Better a party with too much to eat and drink, than the sort where
everyone expects everyone else to provide ;))

[Snidely]

Peter Boulding presented the following explanation :
> On Sat, 03 Jun 2017 22:16:38 and some odd microseconds,
> BillT...@BillTurlock.com wrote in reply to Lesmond

>>> Put it in a garbage bag with a
>>> bunch of ice.
>>
>> I don't like rice pudding either
>
> <applause>

hiss, hiss, hiss

/dps

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[Kerr Mudd-John]

On Tue, 06 Jun 2017 09:07:24 +0100, Snidely <snide...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Peter Boulding presented the following explanation :
>> On Sat, 03 Jun 2017 22:16:38 and some odd microseconds,
>> BillT...@BillTurlock.com wrote in reply to Lesmond
>
>>>> Put it in a garbage bag with a
>>>> bunch of ice.
>>>
>>> I don't like rice pudding either
>>
>> <applause>
>
> hiss, hiss, hiss
>

You really shouldn't over-boil that pudding.



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[Snidely]

Kerr Mudd-John submitted this gripping article, maybe on Tuesday:

I don't give a fig.

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[Bob]

At least they had some of my homemade pizza, and Bob had some of my lamb, and he kept for later the rest of the pieces of slow-roasted lamb leg I brought.