do plants and trees die of old age...
Eddie G
Thanks,
Eddie G
kay w
> Do plants and trees die of old age or only when infected with disease, or
damaged from insects, or cut down?
Eddie, you're a nice person and all, but do you not have Google? If you type
in "plants die old age" the very first response is:
<A
HREF="http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/gl_plants_other/article/0,1785,HGTV_3609_13
87572,00.html">Home and Garden Television: Other</A><A
HREF="http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/gl_plants_other/article/0,1785,HGTV_3609_13
87572,00.html">
</A>
... Q: Do plants die of old age? A: Yes, assuming they survive pests,
diseases, drought, and all the other hazards plants face daily. ...
You don't even have to click on the link to get the answer.
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I like you guys better than a search engine.<g>
JB
>
> or only when infected with disease, or damaged from insects, or cut down?
Plants have normal lifespans. I read a lot of discussion about Golden Gate
Park in SF, which was planted in groves of trees and shrubs grouped by type;
the concern being that since each cluster or grove was planted all at the
same time, each would tend to die out over a fairly short interval upon
attaining its expected lifespan. I think this led to extensive early
thinning and replanting in an effort to provide a continuum in each grouping.
Google on lifespan tree or plant:
http://www.cnr.vt.edu/4h/bigtree/TreeAge.htm
http://www.huntergardens.org.au/galoreteacher.pdf
--JB
James Gifford
> or only when infected with disease, or damaged from insects, or cut down?
Some plants are annuals and die after fruiting (seeding), of no other cause.
I believe that trees never die of age alone, but some species are known
to acquire mature mortality within a fixed time frame. Willows in
particular are difficult to get to live past about 35-40 years. They
reach that age (or size) and fall prey to fungus, borer worms, and other
destructive pests.
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kay w
>>HREF="http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/gl_plants_other/article/0,1785,HGTV_3609_13
>>87572,00.html">Home and Garden Television:
See? That's that damn MAC computer at work putting all that gobbldegook crap
in there.
Sorry.
Eddie G
>
>
>>HREF="http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/gl_plants_other/article/0,1785,HGTV_3609_13
> >>87572,00.html">Home and Garden Television:
>
> See? That's that damn MAC computer at work putting all that gobbldegook
crap
> in there.
No problem...but instead of a MAC you should get a computer.
<duck>
Matt Ackeret
kay w <scu...@aol.comatose> wrote:
>Previously, I said, in part:
>
>>>HREF="http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/gl_plants_other/article/0,1785,HGTV_3609_13
>>>87572,00.html">Home and Garden Television:
>
>See? That's that damn MAC computer at work putting all that gobbldegook crap
>in there.
what "crap"? It looks like a link.
How are you getting that anyway?
kay w
Me(kay):
>>>>HREF="http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/gl_plants_other/article/0,1785,HGTV_3609_13
>>>>87572,00.html">Home and Garden Television:
>>See? That's that damn MAC computer at work putting all that gobbldegook
crap
>>in there.
Mattack:
>what "crap"? It looks like a link.
>How are you getting that anyway?
To me it looks like gobblegobble, and as to how I did it, well, I just don't
know.
kay w
>No problem...but instead of a MAC you should get a computer.
><duck>
You're telling me. I've bored everyone to tears, bitching about it.
Bill Kinkaid
>Previously, Eddie G asked:
>
>> Do plants and trees die of old age or only when infected with disease, or
>damaged from insects, or cut down?
>
>Eddie, you're a nice person and all, but do you not have Google? If you type
>in "plants die old age" the very first response is:
>
Google for something what's the point in having froups like this?
Some of us would rather ask a human being (or at least a digital
representation of same) and start a discussion; we can often find the
answer on Google in ten seconds but correction, clarification, and
just reaching out and touching someone is what we're here for.
Bill in Vancouver
kay w
EddieG:
>>> Do plants and trees die of old age or only when infected with disease, or
>>damaged from insects, or cut down?
Me(kay):
>>Eddie, you're a nice person and all, but do you not have Google? If you
type
>>in "plants die old age" the very first response is:
BillinVan:
>Kay, you're a nice person and all, but if all we wanted to do was
>Google for something what's the point in having froups like this?
>Some of us would rather ask a human being (or at least a digital
>representation of same) and start a discussion; we can often find the
>answer on Google in ten seconds but correction, clarification, and
>just reaching out and touching someone is what we're here for.
So answer his question. Correct; clarify; reach out and touch him.
This group is great, sure, and I ask questions I can't otherwise answer all the
time. If, however, all one needs is a quick factual answer to a quick,
factual question , like "What is the capital of Vermont", there are more
efficient ways of finding out.
Eddie G
Hey! I don't want some guy touching me!!!
> This group is great, sure, and I ask questions I can't otherwise answer
all the
> time. If, however, all one needs is a quick factual answer to a quick,
> factual question , like "What is the capital of Vermont", there are more
> efficient ways of finding out.
What IS the capital of Vermont? Oh...sorry. I can google that.
;-)
Kim
> Previously,
>
> EddieG:
>>>> Do plants and trees die of old age or only when infected with
>>>> disease, or
>>> damaged from insects, or cut down?
>
> Me(kay):
>>> Eddie, you're a nice person and all, but do you not have Google?
>>> If you type in "plants die old age" the very first response is:
>
> BillinVan:
>> Kay, you're a nice person and all, but if all we wanted to do was
>> Google for something what's the point in having froups like this?
>> Some of us would rather ask a human being (or at least a digital
>> representation of same) and start a discussion; we can often find the
>> answer on Google in ten seconds but correction, clarification, and
>> just reaching out and touching someone is what we're here for.
>
> So answer his question. Correct; clarify; reach out and touch him.
>
> This group is great, sure, and I ask questions I can't otherwise
> answer all the time. If, however, all one needs is a quick factual
> answer to a quick, factual question , like "What is the capital of
> Vermont", there are more efficient ways of finding out.
Ooooh! OOOOhhhh!! Montpelier!!! I was just there yesterday!
(I think that's the only state capitol I could tell ya, off the top of my
head, without googling...)
--
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groo
>
> Previously,
>
> Me(kay):
> >>>>HREF="http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/gl_plants_other/article/0,1785,HGTV_3609_13
> >>>>87572,00.html">Home and Garden Television:
> >>See? That's that damn MAC computer at work putting all that gobbldegook
> crap
> >>in there.
>
> Mattack:
> >what "crap"? It looks like a link.
> >How are you getting that anyway?
>
> To me it looks like gobblegobble, and as to how I did it, well, I just don't
> know.
>
You really shouldn't blame this on the Macintosh. It is a configuration
issue with the software you are using on the Mac. It looks like you've
copied a link, and when pasting it in to your posting, the software has
decided to paste it in as HTML code. You should be able to turn that
off, if you can figure out where.
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kay w
>Ooooh! OOOOhhhh!! Montpelier!!! I was just there yesterday!
And when do you come back south? Are you summering there and wintering down
here from now on? What did you do with the ostriches?
Opus the Penguin
news:2b-dnX5fNLH...@comcast.com:
Brussels.
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groo
>
> "Eddie G" <mick...@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:2b-dnX5fNLH...@comcast.com:
> >
> > What IS the capital of Vermont? Oh...sorry. I can google that.
> > ;-)
>
>
> Brussels.
Although I don't normally watch Jay Leno, I did the last couple of
nights, where they featured a game show bit with three suppposedly
random people that they had in the past interviewed on the street for
his "Jaywalking" segment. (Ask people questions, get dumb answers,
supposedly not on purpose.)
I don't know if these three were honestly as stupid as they seemed, or
if they were just good at faking it. My favorite was when they asked the
girl to name a city famous for canals. Her response: "Canada".
James Gifford
>>What IS the capital of Vermont? Oh...sorry. I can google that.
> Brussels.
Home of the Boy Sprouts.
Bob Ward
Doom2 Archvile
<jgif...@surewest.not> writes:
>Opus the Penguin wrote:
>>>What IS the capital of Vermont? Oh...sorry. I can google that.
>> Brussels.
>Home of the Boy Sprouts.
If the Boy Sprouts live in Brussels and the Girl Sprouts live in a different
town, how do they make Baby Sprouts?
James Gifford
> If the Boy Sprouts live in Brussels and the Girl Sprouts live in a different
> town, how do they make Baby Sprouts?
They convert them from people who are minding their own business.
Tank
"Eddie G" <mick...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:UridneiIl4h...@comcast.com...
> or only when infected with disease, or damaged from insects, or cut down?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eddie G
>
>
There is an apple tree in central Ohio which is
reputed to have been planted by Johnny Appleseed,
and which apparently still bears small amounts of fruit.
--
Tank
This Space To Let
Jason Quick
> There is an apple tree in central Ohio which is
> reputed to have been planted by Johnny Appleseed,
> and which apparently still bears small amounts of fruit.
Yep. You can even buy a copy:
http://www.historictrees.org/TreeDirectory/TreeInfo.asp?TK=2500
Jason
Sean Houtman
>
>or only when infected with disease, or damaged from insects, or cut down?
>
>Thanks,
It really depends on the type of plant.
Trees and such woody plants don't often have a set life span, after which they
tend to die of old age. Trees will generally live till they are infectef with
disease, damaged from insects, or are cut down. Climate changes and fire can
also kill trees. The oldest tree that I have personally seen is a Pinyon (Pinus
edulis) with a trunk almost 4 feet through, that appears to be about 450 years
old. Some Junipers and Cypress are several thousand years old. There are plants
in South Africa that are extremely old, often their precise age is difficult to
determine. http://www.namibweb.com/welwitschia.htm
Many herbaceous plants do have set life spans, they may be killed by the cold
of winter, or the dry of summer, or just expend all their energy on producing
seed. These are called annuals, some only live a few weeks.
Sean
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"Jason Quick" <jsq...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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That's pretty cool.
However, just to be clear, the one to which I refer is not
a clone, it is one that was planted by John Chapman.
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Tank
Sean Houtman
>
>Ooooh! OOOOhhhh!! Montpelier!!! I was just there yesterday!
>
>(I think that's the only state capitol I could tell ya, off the top of my
>head, without googling...)
>
Hmm....
Honolulu
Juneau
Olympia
Portland
Sacramento
Boise
Carson City
Phoenix
Helena
Salt Lake City
Cheyenne
Denver
Santa Fe
Fargo
Rapid City
Lincoln
Wichita
Oklahoma City
Austin
Minneapolis
Des Moines
St. Louis
Little Rock
Baton Rouge
Chicago
Indianapolis
Frankfort
Mobile
Talahassee
Lansing
Columbus
Albany
Pittsburg
Raleigh
Atlanta
Montpelier
Bangor
Hartford
Boston
Providence
Trenton
Williamsport
That is all off the tippy of my head, I know I got a couple wrong, and will
think of a couple others by the end of the day.
Al Yellon
(Corrections marked with ***)
> Honolulu
> Juneau
> Olympia
> Portland *** Salem
> Sacramento
> Boise
> Carson City
> Phoenix
> Helena
> Salt Lake City
> Cheyenne
> Denver
> Santa Fe
> Fargo *** Bismarck
> Rapid City *** Pierre
> Lincoln
> Wichita *** Topeka
> Oklahoma City
> Austin
> Minneapolis *** St. Paul
> Des Moines
> St. Louis *** Jefferson City
> Little Rock
> Baton Rouge
> Chicago *** Springfield (we only WISH it were here!)
> Indianapolis
> Frankfort
> Mobile *** Montgomery
> Talahassee
> Lansing
> Columbus
> Albany
> Pittsburg *** Harrisburg
> Raleigh
> Atlanta
> Montpelier
> Bangor *** Augusta
> Hartford
> Boston
> Providence
> Trenton
> Williamsport (second wrong one for PA)
>
> That is all off the tippy of my head, I know I got a couple wrong,
> and will think of a couple others by the end of the day.
Not too bad, only ten wrong off the top of your head. Still can't figure out
how you managed to list two different wrong ones for Pennsylvania.
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Daniel Bush
Houtman) wrote:
>From: "Kim" flhno...@adelphia.net
>
>>
>>Ooooh! OOOOhhhh!! Montpelier!!! I was just there yesterday!
>>
>>(I think that's the only state capitol I could tell ya, off the top of my
>>head, without googling...)
>>
>
>Hmm....
>
>Honolulu
>Juneau
>Olympia
>Portland
Close...Salem.
Dan
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1way
news:blcra0$av67h$1...@ID-173352.news.uni-berlin.de:
> Sean Houtman wrote:
>
> (Corrections marked with ***)
[snip]
>> Pittsburg *** Harrisburg
>> Raleigh
>> Atlanta
>> Montpelier
>> Bangor *** Augusta
>> Hartford
>> Boston
>> Providence
>> Trenton
>> Williamsport (second wrong one for PA)
>>
>> That is all off the tippy of my head, I know I got a couple
>> wrong, and will think of a couple others by the end of the day.
>
> Not too bad, only ten wrong off the top of your head. Still
> can't figure out how you managed to list two different wrong
> ones for Pennsylvania.
Perhaps he was going for Delaware or Maryland? (And there is a
Williamsport in Maryland.)
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Jim Ellwanger
<say@hey> wrote:
> "Al Yellon" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:blcra0$av67h$1...@ID-173352.news.uni-berlin.de:
>
> > Sean Houtman wrote:
> >
> > (Corrections marked with ***)
>
> >> Pittsburg *** Harrisburg
> >> Williamsport (second wrong one for PA)
> >>
> >> That is all off the tippy of my head, I know I got a couple
> >> wrong, and will think of a couple others by the end of the day.
> >
> > Not too bad, only ten wrong off the top of your head. Still
> > can't figure out how you managed to list two different wrong
> > ones for Pennsylvania.
>
> Perhaps he was going for Delaware or Maryland? (And there is a
> Williamsport in Maryland.)
Or that first one is a wrong guess for California. There is a city
named Pittsburg in California. There is no city named Pittsburg in
Pennsylvania, although there was for about 15 years in the late
1890s/early 1900s.
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>From: "Kim" flhno...@adelphia.net
>
>>
>>Ooooh! OOOOhhhh!! Montpelier!!! I was just there yesterday!
>>
>>(I think that's the only state capitol I could tell ya, off the top of my
>>head, without googling...)
>>
>
>Hmm....
>
<hack!>
>That is all off the tippy of my head, I know I got a couple wrong, and will
>think of a couple others by the end of the day.
I've got a wav file of Wakko singing the capitols, somewhere...
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Bill Kinkaid
wrote:
>Sean Houtman wrote:
>
>(Corrections marked with ***)
>
<snip>
>> That is all off the tippy of my head, I know I got a couple wrong,
>> and will think of a couple others by the end of the day.
>
>Not too bad, only ten wrong off the top of your head. Still can't figure out
>how you managed to list two different wrong ones for Pennsylvania.
Maybe that's what he meant for New Hampshire. I didn't see Concord on
the list.
Bill in Vancouver
Paul L. Madarasz
wrote, perhaps among other things:
>From: "Eddie G" mick...@comcast.net
>
>>
>>or only when infected with disease, or damaged from insects, or cut down?
>>
>>Thanks,
>
>It really depends on the type of plant.
>
>Trees and such woody plants don't often have a set life span, after which they
>tend to die of old age. Trees will generally live till they are infectef with
>disease, damaged from insects, or are cut down. Climate changes and fire can
>also kill trees. The oldest tree that I have personally seen is a Pinyon (Pinus
>edulis) with a trunk almost 4 feet through, that appears to be about 450 years
>old. Some Junipers and Cypress are several thousand years old. There are plants
>in South Africa that are extremely old, often their precise age is difficult to
>determine. http://www.namibweb.com/welwitschia.htm
Biggest and oldest I've seen is the Tule tree in Oaxaca; 54 meters in
circumference (17+ in diameter) and >2000 years old. Mighty
impressive.
http://www.planeta.com/ecotravel/mexico/oaxaca/tule.html
>
>Many herbaceous plants do have set life spans, they may be killed by the cold
>of winter, or the dry of summer, or just expend all their energy on producing
>seed. These are called annuals, some only live a few weeks.
>
>Sean
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Sean Houtman
I can't figure out how someone thought that I might list two different wrong
ones for a single state, especially with several states not listed. How many
states have a city named Springfield in them?
Well, if I had said something like Buffalo and New York...
Kim
> Previously, Kim said, in part:
>
>> Ooooh! OOOOhhhh!! Montpelier!!! I was just there yesterday!
>
> And when do you come back south? Are you summering there and
> wintering down here from now on? What did you do with the ostriches?
Sorry I'm so late, just catching up.
I don't know when we go back home - we are staying around here to finish up
the will stuff, anyway, and my sister had her baby Saturday (I wanted to be
here for that)....and I *would* like to spend Christmas in Vermont, but I'm
not sure hubby will be able to stand the winter - he's getting cold already.
I need to figure out what to do with the house up here. I'm hoping I can
find a family member or a trusted friend to live in it and take care of it
while we are in Florida - I don't want to just rent it out to anyone, and
I'm not real keen on "property managers". (Has anyone had any experience
with them? What do I look for?)
And we didn't have an *ostrich* - it was an emu - and we gave it to a "feed
supply" store across form us that has a small petting zoo of animals.
The cats are still there - the dogs are with us. We sold the horses, and the
crowing ass rooster and the rabbits went to a friend who has a little boy
who just loved them (although after a few all day rantings of the crowing
ass rooster, I can't vouch as to whether or not he is still among the
living)....
We are hoping to eventually summer here and winter there - but that's
probably not something we'll have to decide for a while - this will stuff is
seeming to take *forever*.
--
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buy a new
car and pay off my bills. I just can't figure out why my landlord is so
pissed off. (Jenn McNanna)*
Opus the Penguin
> I don't know when we go back home - we are staying around here to
> finish up the will stuff, anyway, and my sister had her baby
> Saturday (I wanted to be here for that)....and I *would* like to
> spend Christmas in Vermont, but I'm not sure hubby will be able to
> stand the winter - he's getting cold already.
Tell him to roll up the window and turn on the heat!
Oh. Never mind.
kay w
>We are hoping to eventually summer here and winter there - but that's
>probably not something we'll have to decide for a while - this will stuff is
>seeming to take *forever*.
Have you heard Willie Nelson's version of "Moonlight in Vermont"? It'll make
ya wanna stay right there.
Are you seeing all the Libertarians (wasn't it Libertarians?) who are supposed
to be moving to Vermont to take over?
We'll be in/near Venice again sometime late spring, if not before; if you're
back, we'd like to take y'all to dinner.
Oh, and re a manager for the house in Vermont? My only recommendation is to
get a professional person to manage it, someone whose feet you can hold to the
fire, impersonally, to care for the property.
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> Previously, Kim said, in part:
> >We are hoping to eventually summer here and winter there - but that's
> >probably not something we'll have to decide for a while - this will stuff is
> >seeming to take *forever*.
> Have you heard Willie Nelson's version of "Moonlight in Vermont"? It'll make
> ya wanna stay right there.
> Are you seeing all the Libertarians (wasn't it Libertarians?) who are supposed
> to be moving to Vermont to take over?
Did they settle on Vermont? Last I heard there was a western state under
consideration. <googles> OK, It's New Hampshire according to
http://www.lp.org/lpnews/0311/freestate_vote.html
John
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> kay w <scu...@aol.comatose> wrote:
>> Previously, Kim said, in part:
>
>>> We are hoping to eventually summer here and winter there - but
>>> that's probably not something we'll have to decide for a while -
>>> this will stuff is seeming to take *forever*.
>
>> Have you heard Willie Nelson's version of "Moonlight in Vermont"?
>> It'll make ya wanna stay right there.
>
>> Are you seeing all the Libertarians (wasn't it Libertarians?) who
>> are supposed to be moving to Vermont to take over?
>
> Did they settle on Vermont? Last I heard there was a western state
> under consideration. <googles> OK, It's New Hampshire according to
> http://www.lp.org/lpnews/0311/freestate_vote.html
I don't know about Libertarians, but there does seem to be a marked gay
presence in the state, probably because of the Civil Union leniency here.
My Aunt, before she died, had a camp in Isle LaMotte, Vermont, which is very
close to the NY border. So close, in fact, that NY proved to be the easiest
and quickest place to shop for groceries.
There is also a sign posted in NY, which one had to pass in order to get
back to My Aunt's camp, that said "FERRY TO VT", indicating that this was
the way to get to said ferry.
My Aunt thought it was extremely amusing, and even had to call me in Florida
to tell me about it, when someone defaced the sign.
Their handiwork left the sign saying "All FERRY's go TO VT".
Lalbert1
<flhno...@adelphia.net> writes:
>There is also a sign posted in NY, which one had to pass in order to get
>back to My Aunt's camp, that said "FERRY TO VT", indicating that this was
>the way to get to said ferry.
>
>My Aunt thought it was extremely amusing, and even had to call me in Florida
>to tell me about it, when someone defaced the sign.
>
>Their handiwork left the sign saying "All FERRY's go TO VT".
There's a very old joke relalted to that:
Two gay young men are standing at the railing overlooking the water at Battery
Park in N.Y.C. One says, "There goes the Staten Island Ferry". The other
replies, "Oh, I didn't know we had a navy.".
Les
kay w
Me(kay):
>> Are you seeing all the Libertarians (wasn't it Libertarians?) who are
supposed
>> to be moving to Vermont to take over?
RavenPoe:
>Did they settle on Vermont? Last I heard there was a western state under
>consideration. <googles> OK, It's New Hampshire according to
>http://www.lp.org/lpnews/0311/freestate_vote.html
I bet it was New Hampshire...I get the two mixed up, except Vermont gets better
songs. "Moonlight In New Hampshire" just isn't quite right.
Eric Boyd
<ra...@westnet.poe.com> wrote in message
news:45Eib.136$jg7.1...@newshog.newsread.com...
> kay w <scu...@aol.comatose> wrote:
> > Are you seeing all the Libertarians (wasn't it Libertarians?) who are
supposed
> > to be moving to Vermont to take over?
>
> Did they settle on Vermont? Last I heard there was a western state under
> consideration. <googles> OK, It's New Hampshire according to
> http://www.lp.org/lpnews/0311/freestate_vote.html
Last I heard they were going to move to Deleware. They thought Deleware was
better than any other state because it already had low taxes, had a low
population, and had a fairly big seaport.
-E
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Andrew Gore
Last night Art Bell had Dr Michiu Kaku on as guest. If you
haven't heard of Kaku, he can best be described as having taken over
Carl Sagan's virtual throne as Astrophysicist to the Teeming Mases.
He's a great 'talker', anble to explain things like black holes and
red dwarfs to the likes of Jay Leno. He's a favorite of Art Bell and
his audience, deelivering an intense three-hour lecture on a hundred
topics. Last night Art was asking him about aging, and if advances in
science had had any success in slowing or even reversing the aging
process. They touched on animals that were kown to live very long
lives, and then Kaku made a rather startling claim.
He said that crocodiles normally lived to old ages, 75 or
ebven a 100 years or more. In fact, he said, there was no record of a
crocodile actually dying of old age. All causes of croc death were
traced to predators, hunting, bees, disease, drought or pollution,
squished by trucks, etc. He made the startling claim that biologists
feel that crocs simply never die of old age; that, given the right
enviroment, they could continue on 'forever'. I find that a little
hard to believe. But what do I know? Any crocodile biologists here?
kay w
>In fact, he said, there was no record of a
>crocodile actually dying of old age. All causes of croc death were
>traced to predators, hunting, bees, disease, drought or pollution,
>squished by trucks, etc. He made the startling claim that biologists
>feel that crocs simply never die of old age; that, given the right
>enviroment, they could continue on 'forever'. I find that a little
>hard to believe. But what do I know? Any crocodile biologists here?
I have heard the same thing about carp, but don't now know whether it's a
Heinleinesque fragment or real science or what.
Which doesn't help a bit with the crocodile issue, I realize.
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in power to worry about *us*.
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Greg Goss
>All causes of croc death were
>traced to predators, hunting, bees, disease, drought or pollution,
>squished by trucks, etc.
"bees"?
Rick B.
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They forgot where in the swamp they stashed the Epipen.
Rick "big teeth, small brains" B.
chris greville
"Rick B." <deep...@sprynet.com.aq> wrote in message
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Have you? My sympathy goes out to you.
Chris Greville
ctc...@hotmail.com
>
> He said that crocodiles normally lived to old ages, 75 or
> ebven a 100 years or more. In fact, he said, there was no record of a
> crocodile actually dying of old age. All causes of croc death were
> traced to predators, hunting, bees, disease, drought or pollution,
> squished by trucks, etc.
Well, no human has ever died of old age, either. They die of heart
attacks or strokes or cancer or falling out of bed or flatulence or
diabetes or whatever.
> He made the startling claim that biologists
> feel that crocs simply never die of old age; that, given the right
> enviroment, they could continue on 'forever'.
I'm quite skeptical of that, but I'm sure the devoted could defend this by
defining "right environment" to mean an environment (even one not currently
possible) which causes them to live forever. Of course, that would
apply to humans as well. More useful would to be see if the crocodile
survival curve is an exponential decay beyond adolescence.
> I find that a little
> hard to believe. But what do I know? Any crocodile biologists here?
Not I,
Xho
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kay w
<< Well, no human has ever died of old age, either. They die of heart
attacks or strokes or cancer or falling out of bed or flatulence or
diabetes or whatever. >><BR><BR>
kay w
Xho said, in part:
<< Well, no human has ever died of old age, either. They die of heart
attacks or strokes or cancer or falling out of bed or flatulence or
diabetes or whatever. >><BR><BR>
I don't know that that's true. I understand that people do, if not killed off
by something else specific, do simply wear out, eventually.
Lalbert1
<dic...@earthlink.net> writes:
I asked your question to a friend who owns a crocodile farm. He agrees that
crocs do not die of old age, and that they usually succumb to one or more of a
myriad of diseases that afflict crocodiles. He referred me to the definitive
work on crocodile disease, "A Color Atlas of Diseases of the Crocodile", by
Panya Youngprapakorn, MD; Lek Ousavaplangchai, DVM; Sumolya Kanchanapangka,
DVM.
I was unable to find a copy of the book at Barnes and Noble, but I did find a
review of it online in which the reviewer says in part, "Having already
purchased this book, I jumped at the opportunity to do a book review, as it
gave me an excuse to look again at the illustrative gross lesions that are the
hallmark of the atlas. There is not a pathologist alive that would not take a
second look at this book simply for the quality of its illustrations! .....".
My friend did tell me of one common crocodile disease that afflicts his
conclave. The crocs have very small brains, and a lot of their actions are
based on shared past memory that they are born with. Since they are
pre-historic animals a lot of their old memory is disappearing (tiny brain
storage), and is being replaced by modern day events. Many of the crocodiles
are being born with a strange elongated and raised area on their back. Most of
these crocs rarely reach maturity, but a few who have survived the modern day
deformity; the raised portion on their backs has become a clearly defined
suitcase handle.
Les
groo
>
>
> I'm quite skeptical of that, but I'm sure the devoted could defend this by
> defining "right environment" to mean an environment (even one not currently
> possible) which causes them to live forever. Of course, that would
> apply to humans as well. More useful would to be see if the crocodile
> survival curve is an exponential decay beyond adolescence.
That wouldn't prove anything, other than the mathematical quirk that
constant death rates lead to exponential survival rates. If crocodiles
are subject to a constant death rate due to predators, trucks, bees,
etc., the resulting mortality/survival curves must be exponential. (This
is due to the effect of a constant death rate on a population that is
getting smaller as some of the members die.)
If the accident/hazard mortality rate is lambda, then the cumulative
survival curve S(t) = exp(-lambda*t). For example, assume that every
year 0.5% of the croc population goes tits up. The resulting survival
curve is:
Year Survival rate
==== ==============
1 0.995
2 0.990
5 0.975
10 0.951
20 0.905
50 0.779
100 0.607
200 0.368
500 0.082
1000 0.007
2000 0.00005
5000 0.00000000001
I'd guess that old age death mechanisms aren't really constant with
time, but become much more dominant after some critical age. Therefore,
a Weibull or lognormal plot of the mortality rate as a function of time
should show three distinct failure rates. Infant mortality, where a
special set of death mechanisms dominate; adolescent/adult where
accidents dominate and the infant mortality death mechanisms are
virtually nonexistent, and old age, where the death rate is due to both
accidents and old age related mechanisms, where the slope of the old age
mechanisms is very steep and eventually swamps out the accident rate.
If crocs die of old age, then the cumulative death rate curve (Weibull
or lognormal) would probably look like an s-curve: high death rate
(infant mortality), lower death rate, high death rate (old age). If not,
then it probably looks like a hockey stick: high death rate, lower death
rate.
- groo
--
"People you agree with are allowed to be sarcastic. People you don't
agree with are just jerks." - Opus on afca
Boron Elgar
> Many of the crocodiles
>are being born with a strange elongated and raised area on their back. Most of
>these crocs rarely reach maturity, but a few who have survived the modern day
>deformity; the raised portion on their backs has become a clearly defined
>suitcase handle.
>
This one can be used as a benchmark. You define the art.
Boron
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> Lemme try this again (damn Mac work computer)
> Xho said, in part:
> << Well, no human has ever died of old age, either. They die of heart
> attacks or strokes or cancer or falling out of bed or flatulence or
> diabetes or whatever. >><BR><BR>
> I don't know that that's true. I understand that people do, if not killed off
> by something else specific, do simply wear out, eventually.
It'll still be categorizable as something else: heart attack, stroke, etc.
So they wear out? If the heart is still beating, and the brain is still
working, then they're not dead, eh?
Lalbert1
<boron_elg...@hotmail.com> writes:
We tries.
Les
spa...@pffcu.com
> kay w <scu...@aol.comatose> wrote:
>> Lemme try this again (damn Mac work computer)
>
>> Xho said, in part:
>
>> << Well, no human has ever died of old age, either. They die of heart
>> attacks or strokes or cancer or falling out of bed or flatulence or
>> diabetes or whatever. >><BR><BR>
>
>> I don't know that that's true. I understand that people do, if not killed off
>> by something else specific, do simply wear out, eventually.
>
> It'll still be categorizable as something else: heart attack, stroke, etc.
> So they wear out? If the heart is still beating, and the brain is still
> working, then they're not dead, eh?
>
Heart failure.
Heart failure?
Yep. He was run over by the truck, impaled on that big iron stake and
then decapitated - and his heart just gave out.
--
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-- Walt Disney
artyw
Just like some people, some crocodiles maybe severely allergic to bee
stings. Their immune systems are not as sophisticated as those of
mammals, but they do have some components in common.
I once heard that someone found a shark with an crocodile in its
stomach. Oh wait! It might have been a gator.
chris greville
"artyw" <art...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Blinky!
What have you done.
Chris Greville
kay w
Xho:
>> Well, no human has ever died of old age, either. They die of heart
>> attacks or strokes or cancer or falling out of bed or flatulence or
>> diabetes or whatever.
Me(kay):
>> I don't know that that's true. I understand that people do, if not killed
off by something else specific, do simply wear out, eventually.
RavenPoe:
>It'll still be categorizable as something else: heart attack, stroke, etc.
>So they wear out? If the heart is still beating, and the brain is still
>working, then they're not dead, eh?
IANAD, and my info comes from a tv series that I can't even remember the name
of, now. Anyway, it was addressing aging and dying, and (it was like a CSI, in
that they kept showing the bodies' insides) it said with those who die of old
age, it's actually a wearing out of the mumble in/near the stomach and blood is
released into the stomach or body cavities and the resultant loss of blood
pressure leads to death. No particular trauma, disease or injury; just a
wearing out, due to age.
Greg Goss
>...this is the vintage American view of government. It may be necessary to have
>a government, but we don't trust it. We don't want to trust it. We want those
>in power to worry about *us*.
>Chris Matthews "American - Beyond Our Grandest Notions"
Oh God. I agree with Chris Matthews? Perhaps I need to change my
routine answer to "what is the difference between Americans and
Canadians?"
kay w
My Sig:
>>...this is the vintage American view of government. It may be necessary to
have
>>a government, but we don't trust it. We don't want to trust it. We want those
>>in power to worry about *us*.
>>Chris Matthews "American - Beyond Our Grandest Notions"
GregG:
>Oh God. I agree with Chris Matthews? Perhaps I need to change my
>routine answer to "what is the difference between Americans and
>Canadians?"
I've just read three of his books, and enjoyed them all, and found more mutual
ground than I expected. I've always liked listening to him; that good Jesuit
training apparently made him smart and sharp and fast on his feet, and I admire
that immensely. I'm never good in a crunch (I'm the one who lies awake three
days later thinking, "What I *should* have said was...")
Anyway, he's fast and funny.
--
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than live under a government powerful enough to collect them all."
Opus the Penguin
> IANAD, and my info comes from a tv series that I can't even
> remember the name of, now. Anyway, it was addressing aging and
> dying, and (it was like a CSI, in that they kept showing the
> bodies' insides) it said with those who die of old age, it's
> actually a wearing out of the mumble in/near the stomach and blood
> is released into the stomach or body cavities and the resultant
> loss of blood pressure leads to death. No particular trauma,
> disease or injury; just a wearing out, due to age.
Can of StopLeak ought to take care of that.
--
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You snipped my sig!
Greg Goss
>GregG:
>>Oh God. I agree with Chris Matthews? Perhaps I need to change my
>>routine answer to "what is the difference between Americans and
>>Canadians?"
>
>I've just read three of his books, and enjoyed them all, and found more mutual
>ground than I expected. I've always liked listening to him; that good Jesuit
>training apparently made him smart and sharp and fast on his feet, and I admire
>that immensely. I'm never good in a crunch (I'm the one who lies awake three
>days later thinking, "What I *should* have said was...")
>Anyway, he's fast and funny.
I tend to blur the various MSNBC talking heads. I no longer confuse
him with Cramer, but my impression may still be confused with someone
else.
Blinky the Shark
> I once heard that someone found a shark with an crocodile in its
> stomach. Oh wait! It might have been a gator.
Anticipatory Response: like chicken.
And I don't know if this was mentioned in here earlier, but...
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1057583266342_45/?hub=SciTech
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Blinky the Shark
> "artyw" <art...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fcd1f4e4.03102...@posting.google.com...
>> I once heard that someone found a shark with an crocodile in its
>> stomach. Oh wait! It might have been a gator.
> Blinky!
> What have you done.
It gets worse. See link I just posted. :)
Rick B.
news:bn3ct8$bci$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk:
>
> "Rick B." <deep...@sprynet.com.aq> wrote in message
> news:Xns941B517F8...@207.69.154.202...
>> Rick "big teeth, small brains" B.
>>
>
> Have you? My sympathy goes out to you.
It's not so bad. Step over here, I'll show you what I mean...
Jason Quick
"Lalbert1" <lalb...@aol.com> wrote
>
> I asked your question to a friend who owns a crocodile farm. He agrees
that
> crocs do not die of old age, and that they usually succumb to one or more
of a
> myriad of diseases that afflict crocodiles.
Fuck it, Les, that hook in my lip HURTS.
Jason
Jason Quick
is it that a comparatively large number of reptilian species are long-lived?
Crocs and gators have lifespans comparable to those of humans, while turtles
and tortoises seem to live even longer. Even snakes are relatively long
lived for being smallish animals. Is there something about exotherm
physiology that gives them so much time?
Jason
Charles Bishop
scu...@aol.comatose (kay w) wrote:
>I've just read three of his books, and enjoyed them all, and found more mutual
>ground than I expected. I've always liked listening to him; that good Jesuit
>training apparently made him smart and sharp and fast on his feet, and I admire
>that immensely. I'm never good in a crunch (I'm the one who lies awake three
>days later thinking, "What I *should* have said was...")
>Anyway, he's fast and funny.
>
I'll be doing that tonight. I'll join you. Here's the story (since Ms
Manners traffic is light, maybe you can help):
I've been working in a rented condo in SF. So far I'd only met the husband
who had been home while I worked. On roughly the fifth day, when I arrive
his wife is there too. I knock, he lets me in and we talk for a few
minutes about what I'll be doing that day. During this time his wife comes
close by, just standing there. The husband and I are winding down and I
greet her with "Hi toots" Familiar, yes and perhaps overly friendly, but
not disrespectful. Oh, they're younger than me by perhaps 20 years. The
dialogue is something like this:
me: Hi. toots
her: what? or perhaps, "what did you say?"
me: Hi toots
her: "That's not my name and I don't want you to call me that, especially
in my own house"
I had no idea what to say at this point, so I turned and walked away.
Thinking about it afterwards, I should have apologized, or else had a
snappy remark (I'll be sober in the morning) but couldn't do either at the
time.
They are both Australian and it may be that "toots" isn't light-hearted
banter there, maybe something rude, but I don't think so.
charles, gotta stop reading Dashiell Hammett so much, or wossname, wrote
Guys and Dolls
kay w
CharlesB said:
>we talk for a few
>minutes about what I'll be doing that day. During this time his wife comes
>close by, just standing there. The husband and I are winding down and I
>greet her with "Hi toots" Familiar, yes and perhaps overly friendly, but
>not disrespectful.
<snip>
>her: "That's not my name and I don't want you to call me that, especially
>in my own house"
I can't imagine that sort of reaction to "toots". (Maybe it's considered some
sort of fart slang?) I also don't know what that "my own house" crap is
about. Yeah, it was a little familiar on your part, but criminey, if you
talked to the husband for several minutes while she was standing there, and he
didn't introduce her and she didn't introduce herself, well....
Now my mother, who's gone by "Tootsie" for 75 years, so far, hates being called
"Toots", but that's after years of torture with it.
If you decide to apologize (I'd drop it, myself) I'd love to know what it was
that set her off.
chris greville
Now that's an offer I think I will decline.....
Chris Greville :-)
chris greville
"Blinky the Shark" <no....@box.invalid> wrote in message
news:slrnbpbc0q....@thurston.blinkynet.net...
> artyw wrote:
>
> > I once heard that someone found a shark with an crocodile in its
> > stomach. Oh wait! It might have been a gator.
>
> Anticipatory Response: like chicken.
>
> And I don't know if this was mentioned in here earlier, but...
>
>
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1057583266342_45/?hub=SciTech
>
> = http://snurl.com/2r15
>
> --
I liked the last comment
"There are lots of sharks in Canada," Gallant said. "People just don't know
about them."
I think I met some of them running tourist attractions in the Rockies.
Chris Greville
Eric Boyd
"Andrew Gore" <dic...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> Last night Art Bell had Dr Michiu Kaku on as guest. If you
> haven't heard of Kaku, he can best be described as having taken over
> Carl Sagan's virtual throne as Astrophysicist to the Teeming Mases.
> He's a great 'talker', anble to explain things like black holes and
> red dwarfs to the likes of Jay Leno. He's a favorite of Art Bell and
> his audience, deelivering an intense three-hour lecture on a hundred
> topics. Last night Art was asking him about aging, and if advances in
> science had had any success in slowing or even reversing the aging
> process. They touched on animals that were kown to live very long
> lives, and then Kaku made a rather startling claim.
Kaku is on Art Bell? Must be a case of "Go where you are not wanted for that
is where you are most needed." Seriously, is Kaku giving credibility to
Bell's more extreme quackery, or is he operating behind enemy lines to draw
people to more legitimate scientific ideas?
Does Kaku still have a show on Pacifica? KPFT used to have his show.
And for those of you to have a Pacifica station, aren't you glad the good
guys won the battle for Pacifica? I might start doing volunteer work for
them again like I did many years ago.
-E
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Blinky the Shark
> "Blinky the Shark" <no....@box.invalid> wrote in message
> news:slrnbpbc0q....@thurston.blinkynet.net...
>> artyw wrote:
>> > I once heard that someone found a shark with an crocodile in its
>> > stomach. Oh wait! It might have been a gator.
>> Anticipatory Response: like chicken.
>> And I don't know if this was mentioned in here earlier, but...
> http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1057583266342_45/?hub=SciTech
> I liked the last comment
> "There are lots of sharks in Canada," Gallant said. "People just don't know
> about them."
We're more effective that way.
> I think I met some of them running tourist attractions in the Rockies.
Heh.
<quietly slipping back into the water>
Greg Goss
>chris greville wrote:
[sharks]
>> I think I met some of them running tourist attractions in the Rockies.
>
>Heh.
>
><quietly slipping back into the water>
Aren't those glacier lakes COLD?
Blinky the Shark
>>Heh.
It's not like they're going to chill us to the bone.
Kajikit
us all about it on 21 Oct 2003 18:18:20 GMT:
>How did he die?
>Heart failure.
>Heart failure?
>Yep. He was run over by the truck, impaled on that big iron stake and
>then decapitated - and his heart just gave out.
In the end, we ALL die of heart failure...
(huggles)
~Karen AKA Kajikit
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Crashj
> scu...@aol.comatose (kay w) wrote:
>
<>> it's
> > actually a wearing out of the mumble in/near the stomach and blood
> > is released into the stomach or body cavities and the resultant
> > loss of blood pressure leads to death. No particular trauma,
> > disease or injury; just a wearing out, due to age.
>
> Can of StopLeak ought to take care of that.
Dare I say that is available?
Crashj 'just ask' Johnson
ctc...@hotmail.com
> Previously, and snipped:
>
> CharlesB said:
>
> >we talk for a few
> >minutes about what I'll be doing that day. During this time his wife
> >comes close by, just standing there. The husband and I are winding down
> >and I greet her with "Hi toots" Familiar, yes and perhaps overly
> >friendly, but not disrespectful.
> <snip>
> >her: "That's not my name and I don't want you to call me that,
> > especially
> >in my own house"
>
> I can't imagine that sort of reaction to "toots". (Maybe it's considered
> some sort of fart slang?)
Or maybe some sort of tits slang.
Xho
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> ctc...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > I'm quite skeptical of that, but I'm sure the devoted could defend this
> > by defining "right environment" to mean an environment (even one not
> > currently possible) which causes them to live forever. Of course, that
> > would apply to humans as well. More useful would to be see if the
> > crocodile survival curve is an exponential decay beyond adolescence.
>
> That wouldn't prove anything, other than the mathematical quirk that
> constant death rates lead to exponential survival rates.
So it wouldn't prove anything, other than the very thing to be proved.
> If crocodiles
> are subject to a constant death rate due to predators, trucks, bees,
> etc., the resulting mortality/survival curves must be exponential.
Exactly.
>
> I'd guess that old age death mechanisms aren't really constant with
> time, but become much more dominant after some critical age.
Unless they don't exist, then I'd think they'd have to pretty constant
with time, no?
groo
>
> groo <gr...@groo.org> wrote:
> > ctc...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > I'm quite skeptical of that, but I'm sure the devoted could defend this
> > > by defining "right environment" to mean an environment (even one not
> > > currently possible) which causes them to live forever. Of course, that
> > > would apply to humans as well. More useful would to be see if the
> > > crocodile survival curve is an exponential decay beyond adolescence.
> >
> > That wouldn't prove anything, other than the mathematical quirk that
> > constant death rates lead to exponential survival rates.
>
> So it wouldn't prove anything, other than the very thing to be proved.
>
No. It wouldn't prove anything at all. Just observing that there is an
exponential survival curve, by itself, does not allow the ability to
discriminate between immortal crocodiles being picked off by misfortune
and crocs virtually rusting out.
> > I'd guess that old age death mechanisms aren't really constant with
> > time, but become much more dominant after some critical age.
>
> Unless they don't exist, then I'd think they'd have to pretty constant
> with time, no?
You got me there. Zero is a constant. Alert the press.
If you read all the stuff that you snipped, the above was part of the
logic explaining how one would use crocodile mortality data to infer if
old age wearout was evident. It's not by simply looking for an
exponential survival curve.
--
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Opus the Penguin
> spa...@pffcu.com saw Sally selling seashells by the seashore and
> told us all about it on 21 Oct 2003 18:18:20 GMT:
>
>>How did he die?
>>Heart failure.
>>Heart failure?
>>Yep. He was run over by the truck, impaled on that big iron stake
>>and then decapitated - and his heart just gave out.
>
> In the end, we ALL die of heart failure...
You know, it's traditional to put "Spoiler" before saying something
like that.
--
Opus the Penguin (that's my real email addy)
Some of us hadn't gotten to that part yet.
artyw
The one that caught the croc/gator is dead, most likely. Same with the
one which was found with a suit of armor inside. So they aint likely
to be Blinky
As far the caribou story, it sounds like Bull(shark)*
Bull sharks can exist in fresh water unlike most other sharks, so the
Canadian ones are probably bulls.
Which kind are you Blinky?
Rich Clancey
+ Andrew Gore <dic...@earthlink.net> wrote:
+>All causes of croc death were
+>traced to predators, hunting, bees, disease, drought or pollution,
+>squished by trucks, etc.
+ "bees"?
Yeah. I'm trying to imagine a crocodile raiding a beehive for
the honey...
I hate to tell a crocodile how to do his job, but couldn't
they just dive and drown the bees?
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Blinky the Shark
> As far as I can tell, it is Blinky THE shark not Blinky ALL sharks.
> The one that caught the croc/gator is dead, most likely. Same with the
> one which was found with a suit of armor inside. So they aint likely
> to be Blinky
> As far the caribou story, it sounds like Bull(shark)*
> Bull sharks can exist in fresh water unlike most other sharks, so the
> Canadian ones are probably bulls.
> Which kind are you Blinky?
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Charles Bishop
scu...@aol.comatose (kay w) wrote:
>Previously, and snipped:
>
>CharlesB said:
>
>>we talk for a few
>>minutes about what I'll be doing that day. During this time his wife comes
>>close by, just standing there. The husband and I are winding down and I
>>greet her with "Hi toots" Familiar, yes and perhaps overly friendly, but
>>not disrespectful.
><snip>
>>her: "That's not my name and I don't want you to call me that, especially
>>in my own house"
>
>I can't imagine that sort of reaction to "toots". (Maybe it's considered some
>sort of fart slang?) I also don't know what that "my own house" crap is
>about. Yeah, it was a little familiar on your part, but criminey, if you
>talked to the husband for several minutes while she was standing there, and he
>didn't introduce her and she didn't introduce herself, well....
>
>Now my mother, who's gone by "Tootsie" for 75 years, so far, hates being called
>"Toots", but that's after years of torture with it.
>
>If you decide to apologize (I'd drop it, myself) I'd love to know what it was
>that set her off.
I'll have to drop it since I'm almost done with the work, and she probably
won't be there again when I am. I'll probably ask her husband though to
see what's up. I've asked some friends if there's a special meaning in
.au.
ctc...@hotmail.com
> ctc...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > groo <gr...@groo.org> wrote:
> > > ctc...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm quite skeptical of that, but I'm sure the devoted could defend
> > > > this by defining "right environment" to mean an environment (even
> > > > one not currently possible) which causes them to live forever. Of
> > > > course, that would apply to humans as well. More useful would to
> > > > be see if the crocodile survival curve is an exponential decay
> > > > beyond adolescence.
> > >
> > > That wouldn't prove anything, other than the mathematical quirk that
> > > constant death rates lead to exponential survival rates.
> >
> > So it wouldn't prove anything, other than the very thing to be proved.
> >
>
> No. It wouldn't prove anything at all. Just observing that there is an
> exponential survival curve, by itself, does not allow the ability to
> discriminate between immortal crocodiles being picked off by misfortune
> and crocs virtually rusting out.
Of course it would. If they were virtually rusting out, it would
cause an increase in death rate as you approach old age, which would
cause the survival to not be an exponential curve. QED
> > > I'd guess that old age death mechanisms aren't really constant with
> > > time, but become much more dominant after some critical age.
> >
> > Unless they don't exist, then I'd think they'd have to pretty constant
> > with time, no?
>
> You got me there. Zero is a constant. Alert the press.
>
> If you read all the stuff that you snipped,
I did. That's how I know it didn't say anything worthwhile,
and snipped it. What you said was nothing more than long-winded
explanation of what I said.
> the above was part of the
> logic explaining how one would use crocodile mortality data to infer if
> old age wearout was evident. It's not by simply looking for an
> exponential survival curve.
It is logically equivalent to looking for an exponential survival curve
beyond adolescence.
groo
>
> groo <gr...@groo.org> wrote:
> > ctc...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > groo <gr...@groo.org> wrote:
> > > > ctc...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm quite skeptical of that, but I'm sure the devoted could defend
> > > > > this by defining "right environment" to mean an environment (even
> > > > > one not currently possible) which causes them to live forever. Of
> > > > > course, that would apply to humans as well. More useful would to
> > > > > be see if the crocodile survival curve is an exponential decay
> > > > > beyond adolescence.
> > > >
> > > > That wouldn't prove anything, other than the mathematical quirk that
> > > > constant death rates lead to exponential survival rates.
> > >
> > > So it wouldn't prove anything, other than the very thing to be proved.
> > >
> >
> > No. It wouldn't prove anything at all. Just observing that there is an
> > exponential survival curve, by itself, does not allow the ability to
> > discriminate between immortal crocodiles being picked off by misfortune
> > and crocs virtually rusting out.
>
> Of course it would. If they were virtually rusting out, it would
> cause an increase in death rate as you approach old age, which would
> cause the survival to not be an exponential curve. QED
OK, you are either being obtuse or just plain ornery. As soon as I find
the time, I'll post two data sets, both with accident related mortality,
but with and without old-age wearout and see if you can demonstrate
which is which, just by observing the presence or lack of "an
exponential decay beyond adolescence". It will be interesting, since
both data sets will have an exponential decay beyond adolescence, caused
by a constant death rate due to misfortune.
Sean Houtman
>spa...@pffcu.com saw Sally selling seashells by the seashore and told
>us all about it on 21 Oct 2003 18:18:20 GMT:
>
>>How did he die?
>>Heart failure.
>>Heart failure?
>>Yep. He was run over by the truck, impaled on that big iron stake and
>>then decapitated - and his heart just gave out.
>
>In the end, we ALL die of heart failure...
Well, that may be a common listed item. What about Barney Clark? He lived 112
days without a heart. I would say that we all die of brain failure. Generally
caused by heart failure.
Sean
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Rich Clancey
+ Bull sharks can exist in fresh water unlike most other sharks, so the
+ Canadian ones are probably bulls.
+ Which kind are you Blinky?
I thought the only fresh water shark was in Nicaragua. They
have them in Canada too?
Blinky the Shark
> artyw done wrote:
> + Bull sharks can exist in fresh water unlike most other sharks, so the
> + Canadian ones are probably bulls.
> + Which kind are you Blinky?
> I thought the only fresh water shark was in Nicaragua. They
> have them in Canada too?
There's a sekrit underground passage. Shhhhh.
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spa...@pffcu.com
> artyw done wrote:
>
> + Bull sharks can exist in fresh water unlike most other sharks, so the
> + Canadian ones are probably bulls.
> + Which kind are you Blinky?
>
> I thought the only fresh water shark was in Nicaragua. They
> have them in Canada too?
>
There was a teevee show about shark attacks a good way up a river...
They wound up speculating that the culprits were bull sharks.
I think that that would be a lousy way to end a picnic.
Aha. Matewan, Nat'l Geographic.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/08/0802_020802_shark.html
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Blinky the Shark
> There was a teevee show about shark attacks a good way up a river...
> They wound up speculating that the culprits were bull sharks.
> I think that that would be a lousy way to end a picnic.
It's a push. Human picnic spoiled, shark picnic successful.
artyw
> spa...@pffcu.com wrote:
>
> > There was a teevee show about shark attacks a good way up a river...
> > They wound up speculating that the culprits were bull sharks.
>
> > I think that that would be a lousy way to end a picnic.
>
> It's a push. Human picnic spoiled, shark picnic successful.
I'll bet shark picnics never get ruined by ants.
Blinky the Shark
Life is good.
Boron Elgar
wrote:
>artyw wrote:
>
>> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote in message news:<slrnbptbm9....@thurston.blinkynet.net>...
>>> spa...@pffcu.com wrote:
>
>>> > There was a teevee show about shark attacks a good way up a river...
>>> > They wound up speculating that the culprits were bull sharks.
>
>>> > I think that that would be a lousy way to end a picnic.
>
>>> It's a push. Human picnic spoiled, shark picnic successful.
>
>> I'll bet shark picnics never get ruined by ants.
>
>Life is good.
Until some whale comes along & farts on the cake.
Boron
Brett Bayne
That is repulsive.
And yet, strangely erotic.
Blinky the Shark
>>artyw wrote:
>>Life is good.
Okay, yeah, that slows things down a little.
chris greville
"Blinky the Shark" <no....@box.invalid> wrote in message
> Boron Elgar wrote:
>
> > On 29 Oct 2003 00:55:25 GMT, Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid>
> > wrote:
>
> >>artyw wrote:
>
> >>> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote in message
news:<slrnbptbm9....@thurston.blinkynet.net>...
> >>>> spa...@pffcu.com wrote:
>
> >>>> > There was a teevee show about shark attacks a good way up a
river...
> >>>> > They wound up speculating that the culprits were bull sharks.
>
> >>>> > I think that that would be a lousy way to end a picnic.
>
> >>>> It's a push. Human picnic spoiled, shark picnic successful.
>
> >>> I'll bet shark picnics never get ruined by ants.
>
> >>Life is good.
>
> > Until some whale comes along & farts on the cake.
>
> Okay, yeah, that slows things down a little.
>
But not for much longer, such anti-social behaviour will soon be observed
from space with a wind tracking satellite.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3207833.stm