Throw Away Your Kettle

[Howard]

Review of $400 Teforia Leaf tea brewing system.

https://gizmodo.com/1796219286

System uses WiFi, Bluetooth, RFID chips and proprietary pods @ $1 to $6 per
two cuppa serving.

[HVS]

On 22 Jun 2017, Howard wrote

Filed under "marketed on the basis of there being one born every minute", I
think.....

--
Cheers,
Harvey

[Les Albert]

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 17:07:32 +0100, HVS <off...@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk>
wrote:

Maybe they should have read this:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
There was a time when it felt like Keurig coffee pods were going to
take over the world — or at least encircle it. But now sales are on
the decline, down some $60 million from last year. ...
http://tinyurl.com/jly7tdr
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Les

[Tim Wright]

Even the inventor regrets it.
<http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/04/news/k-cups-keurig-inventor-regrets/index.html>

--
Studies have shown that the people of Dubai don't understand the humor
of the Flintstones, but the people of Abu Dhabi do.

Tim W

[Boron]

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:37:32 -0700, Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com>
wrote:

The article is bullshit. Keurig saw that 2.0 wasn't cutting it and
consumers were pissed so they did away with that pod requirement
pretty fast.

Insofar as sales of brewers...well, there is such a thing as a
saturated market. How many Keurigs does one need? Natural market
trending. That is why they are in the k-cup biz. And more and more
makers have similar machines and offer k-cups.

If you want to make a guess as to how much the k-cup part of the
industry is, or get a feeling for its waxing or waning, walk down a
coffee aisle at a grocery store.

(I have a k-cup maker as a client)

[Boron]

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:37:32 -0700, Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com>
wrote:

https://www.statista.com/topics/2219/single-serve-coffee-market/

[Tim Wright]

If you don't like that, there's always the Juicero.
<http://gizmodo.com/juicero-ceo-begs-you-do-not-open-our-juice-bags-1794507811>

[Les Albert]

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 14:09:14 -0400, Boron <boron...@hotmail.com>

wrote:
>On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:37:32 -0700, Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com>
>wrote:
>>On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 17:07:32 +0100, HVS <off...@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk>
>>wrote:
>>>On 22 Jun 2017, Howard wrote

>>>> Review of $400 Teforia Leaf tea brewing system.
>>>> https://gizmodo.com/1796219286
>>>> System uses WiFi, Bluetooth, RFID chips and proprietary pods @ $1 to $6
>>>> per two cuppa serving.

>>>Filed under "marketed on the basis of there being one born every minute", I
>>>think.....

>>Maybe they should have read this:
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>There was a time when it felt like Keurig coffee pods were going to
>>take over the world — or at least encircle it. But now sales are on
>>the decline, down some $60 million from last year. ...
>>http://tinyurl.com/jly7tdr
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>The article is bullshit. Keurig saw that 2.0 wasn't cutting it and
>consumers were pissed so they did away with that pod requirement
>pretty fast.
>Insofar as sales of brewers...well, there is such a thing as a
>saturated market. How many Keurigs does one need? Natural market
>trending. That is why they are in the k-cup biz. And more and more
>makers have similar machines and offer k-cups.
>If you want to make a guess as to how much the k-cup part of the
>industry is, or get a feeling for its waxing or waning, walk down a
>coffee aisle at a grocery store.

Maybe you should let NPR know that their article is bullshit.

>(I have a k-cup maker as a client)

I never would have guessed.

Les

[Whiskers]

How to demonstrate to visitors to your luxury home that you know nothing
about taste or style or tea.


--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

[Tim Wright]

On 6/22/2017 15:07, Whiskers wrote:
> On 2017-06-22, Howard <howrd...@otmail.com> wrote:
>> Review of $400 Teforia Leaf tea brewing system.
>>
>> https://gizmodo.com/1796219286
>>
>> System uses WiFi, Bluetooth, RFID chips and proprietary pods @ $1 to $6 per
>> two cuppa serving.
>
> How to demonstrate to visitors to your luxury home that you know nothing
> about taste or style or tea.
>
>

At least we know where he got his inspiration.

“After a fairly shaky start to the day, Arthur's mind was beginning to
reassemble itself from the shell-shocked fragments the previous day had
left him with.
He had found a Nutri-Matic machine which had provided him with a plastic
cup filled with a liquid that was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike
tea.
The way it functioned was very interesting. When the Drink button was
pressed it made an instant but highly detailed examination of the
subject's taste buds, a spectroscopic analysis of the subject's
metabolism and then sent tiny experimental signals down the neural
pathways to the taste centers of the subject's brain to see what was
likely to go down well. However, no one knew quite why it did this
because it invariably delivered a cupful of liquid that was almost, but
not quite, entirely unlike tea.”

[Les Albert]

Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com> wrote:
>On 2017-06-22, Howard <howrd...@otmail.com> wrote:

>> Review of $400 Teforia Leaf tea brewing system.
>> https://gizmodo.com/1796219286
>> System uses WiFi, Bluetooth, RFID chips and proprietary pods @ $1 to $6 per
>> two cuppa serving.

>How to demonstrate to visitors to your luxury home that you know nothing
>about taste or style or tea.

It's similar to those old Charley the tuna ads (who remembers them?):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pJw3N4KmMQ

Visitors don't want good taste; they want tea that tastes good.

Les

[Opus the Penguin]

Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:

> It's similar to those old Charley the tuna ads (who remembers them?):
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pJw3N4KmMQ

Those commercials puzzled me no end when I were a lad. To me, a tuna with
good taste was a tuna that had a good taste to it. It was only when I was
older, and the ads were no longer being aired, that I finally put together
what the joke was.

--
Opus the Penguin
The best darn penguin in all of Usenet

[bill van]

In article <slrnoko8si.1...@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,

Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com> wrote:

> On 2017-06-22, Howard <howrd...@otmail.com> wrote:
> > Review of $400 Teforia Leaf tea brewing system.
> >
> > https://gizmodo.com/1796219286
> >
> > System uses WiFi, Bluetooth, RFID chips and proprietary pods @ $1 to $6 per
> > two cuppa serving.
>
> How to demonstrate to visitors to your luxury home that you know nothing
> about taste or style or tea.

And since they're on a network, they've probably already been hacked
by the Russians.
--
bill

[Rick B.]

bill van <bil...@delete.shaw.ca> wrote in
news:billvan-9AA759...@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu:

"Honey, why does the tea taste like borscht?"

[HVS]

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 14:02:31 -0700, bill van <bil...@delete.shaw.ca>
wrote:

That might explain why we call a tea urn a samovar,doncha think?

--
Cheers, Harvey
CanE (30 years) & BrE (34 years),
indiscriminately mixed

[Peter Boulding]

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 13:30:42 -0500, Tim Wright <tlwri...@gmail.com> wrote
in <A5CdnfOpIIpFkdHE...@supernews.com>:

>If you don't like that, there's always the Juicero.
><http://gizmodo.com/juicero-ceo-begs-you-do-not-open-our-juice-bags-1794507811>

<faintly relevant aside>

If, like me, you're using Adblock Plus and find that the above gizmodo URL
results in an overlay that prevents you enjoying the page, plus one of those
dialogs demanding that you disable your ad blocker, adding the following
filter rules should disable Gizmodo's adblock blocker:

gizmodo.com##.qsjzctvgodevtus.vxvhl .pvtzrutu
gizmodo.com##.birhxguiworgy
gizmodo.com##.yrffbj
gizmodo.com###uymufaiyioosvlgem

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Fractal Images and Music: http://www.pboulding.co.uk/
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=794240&content=music

[Les Albert]

On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 00:35:33 +0100, Peter Boulding
<pjbn...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk> wrote:
>On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 13:30:42 -0500, Tim Wright <tlwri...@gmail.com> wrote

>>If you don't like that, there's always the Juicero.
>><http://gizmodo.com/juicero-ceo-begs-you-do-not-open-our-juice-bags-1794507811>

><faintly relevant aside>
>If, like me, you're using Adblock Plus and find that the above gizmodo URL
>results in an overlay that prevents you enjoying the page, plus one of those
>dialogs demanding that you disable your ad blocker, adding the following
>filter rules should disable Gizmodo's adblock blocker:
>gizmodo.com##.qsjzctvgodevtus.vxvhl .pvtzrutu
>gizmodo.com##.birhxguiworgy
>gizmodo.com##.yrffbj
>gizmodo.com###uymufaiyioosvlgem

Strange. I use Adblock Plus and some pages ask me to disable the ad
blocker, but the gizmodo URL let me in without any problem (34 ads
were blocked) and I did not have to use any of your suggested filters.
Les

[Howard]

Tim Wright <tlwri...@gmail.com> wrote

> However, no one knew quite why it did this
> because it invariably delivered a cupful of liquid that was almost,
> but not quite, entirely unlike tea.

Front and center:

https://www.google.com/doodles/douglas-adams-61st-birthday

[Peter Boulding]

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 16:45:36 -0700, Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote in
<eelokch8no0ctshpk...@4ax.com>:

>Strange. I use Adblock Plus and some pages ask me to disable the ad
>blocker, but the gizmodo URL let me in without any problem (34 ads
>were blocked) and I did not have to use any of your suggested filters.

That is strange. I wonder why they've got it in for me; it's not like I
*ever* click on ad links, anyway.

[Snidely]

Remember Thursday, when Boron asked plainitively:

> If you want to make a guess as to how much the k-cup part of the
> industry is, or get a feeling for its waxing or waning, walk down a
> coffee aisle at a grocery store.

The Gillette strategy (an early example, with many adopters since).

Of course, a related issue is that any particular brand/flavor you
decide you like ... will dissappear a week after you fall for it.

/dps

--
"This is all very fine, but let us not be carried away be excitement,
but ask calmly, how does this person feel about in in his cooler
moments next day, with six or seven thousand feet of snow and stuff on
top of him?"
_Roughing It_, Mark Twain.

[Snidely]

Boron noted that:

> https://www.statista.com/topics/2219/single-serve-coffee-market/

What brands does Smuckers have besides Folgers?

/dps

--
Trust, but verify.

[Snidely]

On Thursday, Tim Wright queried:

> On 6/22/2017 11:37, Les Albert wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 17:07:32 +0100, HVS <off...@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> On 22 Jun 2017, Howard wrote
>>
>>>> Review of $400 Teforia Leaf tea brewing system.
>>>> https://gizmodo.com/1796219286
>>>> System uses WiFi, Bluetooth, RFID chips and proprietary pods @ $1 to $6
>>>> per two cuppa serving.
>>
>>> Filed under "marketed on the basis of there being one born every minute",
>>> I
>>> think.....
>>
>> Maybe they should have read this:
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> There was a time when it felt like Keurig coffee pods were going to
>> take over the world — or at least encircle it. But now sales are on
>> the decline, down some $60 million from last year. ...
>> http://tinyurl.com/jly7tdr
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Les
>>
> Even the inventor regrets it.
> <http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/04/news/k-cups-keurig-inventor-regrets/index.html>

He regrets the plastic waste. A little more efficient recycling
method, and the plastic could be turned into mailbox posts (except in
Arizona) and the grounds into mulch.

/dps

--
But happiness cannot be pursued; it must ensue. One must have a reason
to 'be happy.'"
Viktor Frankl

[Kerr Mudd-John]

If this is coffee, bring me tea; if this is tea, bring me coffee.

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug

[Greg Goss]

Snidely <snide...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Remember Thursday, when Boron asked plainitively:
>
>> If you want to make a guess as to how much the k-cup part of the
>> industry is, or get a feeling for its waxing or waning, walk down a
>> coffee aisle at a grocery store.
>
>The Gillette strategy (an early example, with many adopters since).
>
>Of course, a related issue is that any particular brand/flavor you
>decide you like ... will dissappear a week after you fall for it.

Vancouver water is soft enough that there is a hazard from lead (from
soldered pipe joints) dissolving into the water overnight. In most
cities, there is enough calcium deposit to cover the lead. So I got a
filter carafe to absorb metals in the water.

I liked the glass carafe of the Aqua (Jameison) brand better than the
Britta version. Also, the refillable filter cartridge was cheaper
over time. But "cheaper over time" meant that Jameison wasn't getting
enough money from the product and they dumped it. Only Britta
survived. And the cartridge socket in the Aqua was deliberately
incompatible with the Britta cartridges.
--
We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.

[Boron Elgar]

On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 23:31:47 -0700, Snidely <snide...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Remember Thursday, when Boron asked plainitively:
>
>> If you want to make a guess as to how much the k-cup part of the
>> industry is, or get a feeling for its waxing or waning, walk down a
>> coffee aisle at a grocery store.
>
>The Gillette strategy (an early example, with many adopters since).

And the printer biz, too.

>
>Of course, a related issue is that any particular brand/flavor you
>decide you like ... will dissappear a week after you fall for it.
>

That is precisely what the Internet is for.

[Boron Elgar]

On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 23:39:16 -0700, Snidely <snide...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Boron noted that:
>
>> https://www.statista.com/topics/2219/single-serve-coffee-market/
>
>What brands does Smuckers have besides Folgers?
>
>/dps

They are into the office coffee biz. At minimum, they also have
Bustelo.

https://www.smuckerawayfromhome.com/

[Richard Hershberger]

On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 11:47:05 AM UTC-4, Howard wrote:
> Review of $400 Teforia Leaf tea brewing system.
>
> https://gizmodo.com/1796219286
>
> System uses WiFi, Bluetooth, RFID chips and proprietary pods @ $1 to $6 per
> two cuppa serving.

The writer of the gizmodo piece lost me when he revealed that his notion of a perfect cup of tea involves bags.

Richard R. Hershberger

[bill van]

In article <djq1lctptgm5cai9q...@4ax.com>,

I know them for their jams and jellies. Here's a list of their brands,
from <https://onlinestore.smucker.com/display_category.cfm?cat_id=140>.

Smucker's(R)
Adams(R) & Laura Scudder's(R)
Crisco(R)
Crosse & Blackwell(R)
Dickinson's(R)
Dunkin' Donuts(R)
Folgers(R)
Hungry Jack(R)
Jif(R)
Kava(R)
Knott's Berry Farm(R)
Martha White(R)
None Such(R)
Pickwick(R)
Pillsbury(TM)
Sahale Snacks(R)
Santa Cruz Organic(R)
truRoots(R)
White Lily(R)
Pet Food & Treats
--
bill

[Boron]

On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 11:00:53 -0700, bill van <bil...@delete.shaw.ca>
wrote:

What is most interesting to me about those brands is how some have
bounced from owner to owner over the years.

Example - Crisco started out at LP&G.

[bill van]

In article <b8j2lchol6f07nqik...@4ax.com>,

I remember from my time as a business reporter that in some
industries, food among them, companies would often buy, sell or swap
divisions, often branded, to increase or reduce their exposure in
selected market segments. I'm sure some of it was well thought out,
and some probably reflected nothing more than a new CEO putting his
stamp on a company.
--
bill

[Boron]

On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 12:07:30 -0700, bill van <bil...@delete.shaw.ca>

The brand switching over the decades is more than that and quite
insane. Wiki is ideal for this sort of tracing...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondelez_International

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unilever

[BillT...@billturlock.com]

On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 11:00:53 -0700, bill van
<bil...@delete.shaw.ca> wrote:

>

>Pet Food & Treats

Eats, shoots & leaves

--
"See邑ant!" Hannibal Lecter

[Kerr Mudd-John]

This side of the pond we have (actually, "had" it's part of brand lotto these days) Crosse & Blackwell (chutney/beans). Jif is either a lemon scented cleaning product or a lemon-scented cake ingredient (do not confuse!).
I've heard of Pillsbury from watching a ghostbusters film. erm that's it.

[Charles Bishop]

In article <mn.d0177e169a0b508c.127094@snitoo>,

My parents used to pour coffee grounds down the kitchen sink drain. On
the theory that the little bits would behave like loose sandpaper, and
help keep the drains clean of gunk.

I've always wondered if this would be true, but haven't run tests but
only gedanken experiments with no real result.

There was a time when Starbucks would give away the used grounds so
people could use them for mulch and the like. I wonder why they stopped.

--
charles

[Charles Bishop]

In article <erbseq...@mid.individual.net>,

But if you could use the Britta cartridges in the Aqua, wouldn't that
defeat the purpose of buying the Aqua?

--
charlses

[Greg Goss]

Charles Bishop <ctbi...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:

>> Vancouver water is soft enough that there is a hazard from lead (from
>> soldered pipe joints) dissolving into the water overnight. In most
>> cities, there is enough calcium deposit to cover the lead. So I got a
>> filter carafe to absorb metals in the water.
>>
>> I liked the glass carafe of the Aqua (Jameison) brand better than the
>> Britta version. Also, the refillable filter cartridge was cheaper
>> over time. But "cheaper over time" meant that Jameison wasn't getting
>> enough money from the product and they dumped it. Only Britta
>> survived. And the cartridge socket in the Aqua was deliberately
>> incompatible with the Britta cartridges.
>
>But if you could use the Britta cartridges in the Aqua, wouldn't that
>defeat the purpose of buying the Aqua?

The Aqua cartridges would fit the Britta. You could tell which was
the newer design.

I just liked the idea of glass versus plastic. Especially in the
context of avoiding trace pollutants.

[danny burstein]

In <eroq8s...@mid.individual.net> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> writes:

>>> cities, there is enough calcium deposit to cover the lead. So I got a
>>> filter carafe to absorb metals in the water.
>>>
>>> I liked the glass carafe of the Aqua (Jameison) brand better than the
>>> Britta version. Also, the refillable filter cartridge was cheaper
>>> over time. But "cheaper over time" meant that Jameison wasn't getting
>>> enough money from the product and they dumped it. Only Britta
>>> survived. And the cartridge socket in the Aqua was deliberately
>>> incompatible with the Britta cartridges.

Britta against lead not gooda


--
_____________________________________________________
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
dan...@panix.com
[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

[bill van]

In article <eroq8s...@mid.individual.net>,

Vancouver got rid of the lead soldering while renewing its water mains
in the 1970s and '80s. Lead has not been used in home water lines
since roughly 1980. My strata building was built around 1990.

Metro Vancouver water is very well filtered, up down and sideways:

<http://www.metrovancouver.org/services/water/quality-facilities/facili
ties-processes/treatment-process/Pages/default.aspx>

I still use my Britta jug, but without the filter cartridges. I like
to have a supply of cold water in the fridge. That first glass tastes
so good when I get up in the morning. Great water.
--
bill

[BillT...@billturlock.com]

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 22:43:49 -0700, bill van
<bil...@delete.shaw.ca> wrote:

>
>Metro Vancouver water is very well filtered, up down and sideways:
>
><http://www.metrovancouver.org/services/water/quality-facilities/facili
>ties-processes/treatment-process/Pages/default.aspx>
>
>I still use my Britta jug, but without the filter cartridges. I like
>to have a supply of cold water in the fridge. That first glass tastes
>so good when I get up in the morning. Great water.

I bought a gallon of "Baby Water" from Target this week

https://www.buybuybaby.com/store/product/nursery-reg-1-gallon-purified-nursery-water/1016682195
http://tinyurl.com/y9m9mc2j

It was $1.05

cuz

[Tim Wright]

http://tinyurl.com/yc6kbxex

--
Studies have shown that the people of Dubai don't understand the humor
of the Flintstones, but the people of Abu Dhabi do.

Tim W

[BillT...@billturlock.com]

On Sat, 1 Jul 2017 01:21:46 -0500, Tim Wright
<tlwri...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 7/1/2017 00:55, BillT...@BillTurlock.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 22:43:49 -0700, bill van
>> <bil...@delete.shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Metro Vancouver water is very well filtered, up down and sideways:
>>>
>>> <http://www.metrovancouver.org/services/water/quality-facilities/facili
>>> ties-processes/treatment-process/Pages/default.aspx>
>>>
>>> I still use my Britta jug, but without the filter cartridges. I like
>>> to have a supply of cold water in the fridge. That first glass tastes
>>> so good when I get up in the morning. Great water.
>>
>>
>> I bought a gallon of "Baby Water" from Target this week
>>
>> https://www.buybuybaby.com/store/product/nursery-reg-1-gallon-purified-nursery-water/1016682195
>> http://tinyurl.com/y9m9mc2j
>>
>> It was $1.05
>>
>> cuz
>>
>http://tinyurl.com/yc6kbxex

Perfect!

[Greg Goss]

bill van <bil...@delete.shaw.ca> wrote:
> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>> Charles Bishop <ctbi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> > Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>>
>> >> Vancouver water is soft enough that there is a hazard from lead (from
>> >> soldered pipe joints) dissolving into the water overnight. In most
>> >> cities, there is enough calcium deposit to cover the lead. So I got a
>> >> filter carafe to absorb metals in the water.
>> >>
>> >> I liked the glass carafe of the Aqua (Jameison) brand better than the
>> >> Britta version. Also, the refillable filter cartridge was cheaper
>> >> over time. But "cheaper over time" meant that Jameison wasn't getting
>> >> enough money from the product and they dumped it. Only Britta
>> >> survived. And the cartridge socket in the Aqua was deliberately
>> >> incompatible with the Britta cartridges.
>> >
>> >But if you could use the Britta cartridges in the Aqua, wouldn't that
>> >defeat the purpose of buying the Aqua?
>>
>> The Aqua cartridges would fit the Britta. You could tell which was
>> the newer design.
>>
>> I just liked the idea of glass versus plastic. Especially in the
>> context of avoiding trace pollutants.
>
>Vancouver got rid of the lead soldering while renewing its water mains
>in the 1970s and '80s. Lead has not been used in home water lines
>since roughly 1980. My strata building was built around 1990.

The house I was living in at the time was built in the thirties, I
think. Later, when I moved into a 1980s townhouse then a 1997
apartment, I kept the britta cuz my wife liked it. In Calgary I've
never bothered, and I removed the filter from my fridge's water line
because it wanted replacement every month, and my biology PhD friend
told me that an unchanged filter was a legionella hazard, while a pipe
with a wide space in it is no problem.