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Heather

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Nov 15, 2011, 1:18:00 AM11/15/11
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The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent of
our Christmas dinner. So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
the whole big dinner thing again?


--
Heather

Veronique

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Nov 15, 2011, 1:55:30 AM11/15/11
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Yes-ish, but there's more choice in the comestibles (except for
Mandatory Eggnog) without having to explain why one is straying from
"tradition." And you may choose to eschew a dinner entirely, if you
have opened your house to people dropping by all afternoon-- in that
case, snacks are fine (but don't forget the Mandatory Eggnog.) Also,
there isn't quite the focus on one particular day for The Big Food
Thing...maybe have folken over on the 24th, or on Boxing Day, or why
not wait until mid-week, the kids are off anyway, we'll all come over
then when it's not quite so hectic.

Goose. Roast goose with chestnut stuffing for Christmas, we're sitting
down promptly at 1 pm to eat, yes of course we'd love for you to bring
your parsnip clafouti, we'll do the gift exchange after we eat, then
eggnog and dessert, well trifle of course, I always make trifle for
Christmas dessert, no really, the parsnip clafouti is more than
enough, no need to go to the trouble of making beet-chocolate cake,
it's like fruitcake only with beets and chocolate, I understand, yes a
non-dairy choice is nice, see you Christmas afternoon, and we'll hope
the furnace is working by then!


V.
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Veronique Chez Sheep

John Mc

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Nov 15, 2011, 2:13:31 AM11/15/11
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So, just what DO you put in your eggnog?

John Mc.

bill van

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Nov 15, 2011, 2:43:43 AM11/15/11
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In article <gr04c71ih2ctnt9id...@4ax.com>,
Not so much of a quandary in Canada, where the harvest happens earlier
and Thanksgiving is in October. By late December we're ready for another
turkey.

But we're a small household and we usually do something other than
turkey. Salmon, sometimes, or game hens, or a nice cut of beef. But
there are so many organizations putting on turkey dinners that time of
year that everybody gets their fill, and more.

bill

bill van

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Nov 15, 2011, 2:48:17 AM11/15/11
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In article <j9t3et$hng$1...@dont-email.me>, John Mc <Jo...@tdcogre.com>
wrote:

> So, just what DO you put in your eggnog?
>
We don't usually do eggnog. We're more into red wine and/or whisky. When
we do do eggnog, its either run or brandy, with a dash of cinnamon and
grated nutmeg. But if it's rum, one is my limit. The taste reminds me
too much of a terrible, terrible hangover 40-some years ago when I
killed a 26 of Bacardi Carta Blanca by myself. Urp.

bill

BillT...@invalid.com

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Nov 15, 2011, 3:20:29 AM11/15/11
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 02:13:31 -0500, John Mc <Jo...@tdcogre.com> wrote:

>
>
>So, just what DO you put in your eggnog?

egg, and a bit of nog

Snidely

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Nov 15, 2011, 3:23:42 AM11/15/11
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Heather <redbo...@gmail.com> scribbled something like ...

>
> The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent of
> our Christmas dinner. So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
> the whole big dinner thing again?

Thanksgiving is very harvest-oriented, and Christmas is damn-the-
snowdrifts-we're-ging-to-celebrate-anyway! (That's somewhat true even in
the parts of the country that stay warm all year.)

Thanksgiving is apt to have more emphasis of vegetable dishes, but there
is a great deal of overlap. A lot of the yellow vegetables are
reasonably fresh for both holidays, and apple warehouses do a pretty good
job all winter long. Of course, lettuce and other greens are available
all year, too, thanks to the transport industry.

Having a roast turkey for Thanksgiving is very common, but roast turkey
for Christmas is, too. I'm not sure how widespread having a roast goose
is at either holiday; my impression is that in the US the goose is viewed
as a quaint old-world custom.

For New Years, when I was growing up, my family usually switched to ham,
given the short timing. These days, it isn't unusual to have a turkey
dinner for Sunday Dinner, although roasts still seem to dominate that
segment. A turkey for Sunday Dinner will generally be smaller than one
for holiday use.

But there are main-stream magazines giving suggestions for Thanksgiving
celebrations that are vegetarian and/or vegan.

/dps


N J Marsh

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Nov 15, 2011, 7:11:05 AM11/15/11
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As Bill said, Thanksgiving is at a more civilized date, and also, it's not
as big of a holiday as it is in the US, so there is no real conflict.

That said, I have never had egg nog at Christmas, and our traditional meal
is a Chinese Meat Fest.


--
njm

Charles Wm. Dimmick

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Nov 15, 2011, 7:31:50 AM11/15/11
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In my family it was a somewhat smaller dinner, fewer people, and usually
ham instead of turkey. One year we did a duck, one year we did a goose.
Definitely more informal than Thanksgiving.

Charles

The flail of God, implacable as the thunderstorm; upon whose boots dries the blood of his foes.

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Nov 15, 2011, 8:42:30 AM11/15/11
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On Nov 15, 1:18 am, Heather <redboro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent of
> our Christmas dinner.

Where do you get turkeys?

> So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
> the whole big dinner thing again?

Yes, with pretty much the same menu. Mainly turkey, possibly a ham.
If you have turkey, you have stuffing, if you have stuffing, you have
cranberry sauce. Mashed potatoes, gravy...the main difference is the
absence of the ceremonial appearance of succotash, and pumpkin pie;
Christmas in the US has its own set of sweets.

Mary

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Nov 15, 2011, 8:51:39 AM11/15/11
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On Nov 15, 6:11 am, N J Marsh <njma...@gmail.com> wrote:
Same here. No eggnog, but lots of wine. And I don't do a turkey more
than once a year (man, but I hate putting my hands into a raw bird).
We've had anything from a ham to roast beef and yorkshire pudding but
more often than not we have enchiladas.

Mary
makes kickass enchiladas

Tim Wright

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Nov 15, 2011, 10:01:49 AM11/15/11
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I must confess a similarly rooted aversion for rum. However, I did
temporarily overcome said aversion a few years ago enough to get totally
blitzed on rum punch in Barbados.


--

Tim W

Powered Holed Carrot Meal

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Nov 15, 2011, 10:04:52 AM11/15/11
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Heather <redbo...@gmail.com> wrote in

> The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent of
> our Christmas dinner. So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
> the whole big dinner thing again?

A lot of times it's influenced by which country your older relatives came
from.

For instance, a lot of Catholics have fish on Christmas Eve, and Italian
Americans might have 7 or 12 kinds. A lot of Mexican American families
have Tamales around Christmas -- there's a funny kids book called Too Many
Tamales. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Poles and Germans serve
sauerkraut.

Nick Spalding

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Nov 15, 2011, 10:16:15 AM11/15/11
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Charles Wm. Dimmick wrote, in <j9tm3j$meh$1...@dont-email.me>
on Tue, 15 Nov 2011 07:31:50 -0500:
For years we have had both turkey and ham.
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Nick Spalding

Lesmond

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Nov 15, 2011, 10:43:10 AM11/15/11
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The last three years we have our Christmas with my in-laws on weekends, so I
invite friends over for the actual day. We usually have burgers.

And never any egg nog. It's vile.

--
If there's a nuclear winter, at least it'll snow.



Lesmond

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Nov 15, 2011, 10:40:50 AM11/15/11
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Yes, but with a larger variety of foods.

Lesmond

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Nov 15, 2011, 10:55:01 AM11/15/11
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:42:30 -0800 (PST), The flail of God, implacable as the
thunderstorm; upon whose boots dries the blood of his foes. wrote:

>On Nov 15, 1:18ÿam, Heather <redboro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent of
>> our Christmas dinner.
>
> Where do you get turkeys?
>
>> So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
>> the whole big dinner thing again?
>
> Yes, with pretty much the same menu. Mainly turkey, possibly a ham.
>If you have turkey, you have stuffing, if you have stuffing, you have
>cranberry sauce. Mashed potatoes, gravy...the main difference is the
>absence of the ceremonial appearance of succotash,

Gah. Why would anyone eat succotash?

and pumpkin pie;
>Christmas in the US has its own set of sweets.

Lots and lots of cookies.

Veronique

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Nov 15, 2011, 11:23:20 AM11/15/11
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On Nov 15, 5:51 am, Mary <mrfeath...@aol.com> wrote:


> Same here.  No eggnog, but lots of wine.  And I don't do a turkey more
> than once a year (man, but I hate putting my hands into a raw bird).
> We've had anything from a ham to roast beef and yorkshire pudding but
> more often than not we have enchiladas.


Enchiladas are an awesome Christmas tradition. I've done that to good
results since living in California.


V., "And BRANDY in the eggnog"
--
Veronique Chez Sheep

Hactar

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Nov 15, 2011, 11:41:25 AM11/15/11
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In article <p_ednavyObtA41_T...@supernews.com>,
I put too much rum in my nog once at college. Didn't get wasted, but it
felt oily (eveb though neither one of them is).

--
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the bartender "If that's a physicist, tell him you've not seen me."
(maybe by KW in AFCA)

Les Albert

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Nov 15, 2011, 12:22:28 PM11/15/11
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 11:41:25 -0500, ebenZ...@verizon.net (Hactar)
wrote:

>I put too much rum in my nog once at college. Didn't get wasted, but it
>felt oily (eveb though neither one of them is).


Too much rum in the nog make you lose track of time; it probably was
late rather than oily.

Les

John Mc.

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Nov 15, 2011, 12:41:36 PM11/15/11
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Applause.

John Mc.

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On Nov 15, 10:55 am, "Lesmond" <lesm...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:42:30 -0800 (PST), The flail of God, implacable as the
> thunderstorm; upon whose boots dries the blood of his foes. wrote:
>
> >On Nov 15, 1:18ÿam, Heather <redboro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent of
> >> our Christmas dinner.
>
> > Where do you get turkeys?
>
> >> So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
> >> the whole big dinner thing again?
>
> > Yes, with pretty much the same menu. Mainly turkey, possibly a ham.
> >If you have turkey, you have stuffing, if you have stuffing, you have
> >cranberry sauce. Mashed potatoes, gravy...the main difference is the
> >absence of the ceremonial appearance of succotash,
>
> Gah.  Why would anyone eat succotash?

Since when are holiday dinners about what anyone wants to do?

M C Hamster

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Nov 15, 2011, 12:57:33 PM11/15/11
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:18:00 +1100, Heather <redbo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent of
>our Christmas dinner. So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
>the whole big dinner thing again?

We have a very set menu for Christmas day. After opening our
presents, we have a breakfast/brunch of scrambled eggs, bacon, and
freshly baked scones with lemon spread, or jam, and sometimes clotted
cream.

For dinner (which is early, around 5 PM), we have a nice rare roast
beef, usually with mashed potatoes and all that other stuff. We
definitely are turkeyed out from Thanksgiving.

We never have breakfasts like that, and very rarely make a roast
beef... in fact I'm not sure that we have it more than once a year.
--

"Big Wheel Keep on Turnin'" -- Creedence Clearwater Revival

M C Hamster

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Nov 15, 2011, 1:03:31 PM11/15/11
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What's with the thing of breaking a raw egg into a glass and drinking
it, in a bar? I was watching "The Verdict" with Paul Newman and he
did that, and it wasn't pleasant just watching it.

No wait, Paul Newman wasn't here. You know what I mean.

M C Hamster

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Nov 15, 2011, 1:03:45 PM11/15/11
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I have a dim memory as a kid of picking up what looked like an
innocent little glass of eggnog, and being severely shocked by the way
it tasted. I may well have spit it out in the glass and put it back,
surreptitiously.

Bob

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Nov 15, 2011, 1:27:45 PM11/15/11
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On Nov 15, 7:11 am, N J Marsh <njma...@gmail.com> wrote:

> our traditional meal is a Chinese Meat Fest.
> --
Bow wow? Meow?

Bob

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Nov 15, 2011, 1:29:58 PM11/15/11
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On Nov 15, 10:55 am, "Lesmond" <lesm...@verizon.net> wrote:

> Gah.  Why would anyone eat succotash?

What else would you do with it?

Mark Steese

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"Lesmond" <les...@verizon.net> wrote in
news:yrfzbaqirevmbaar...@192.168.0.6:

> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:42:30 -0800 (PST), The flail of God, implacable
> as the thunderstorm; upon whose boots dries the blood of his foes.
> wrote:
>
>>On Nov 15, 1:18ÿam, Heather <redboro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent
>>> of our Christmas dinner.
>>
>> Where do you get turkeys?
>>
>>> So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
>>> the whole big dinner thing again?
>>
>> Yes, with pretty much the same menu. Mainly turkey, possibly a ham.
>>If you have turkey, you have stuffing, if you have stuffing, you have
>>cranberry sauce. Mashed potatoes, gravy...the main difference is the
>>absence of the ceremonial appearance of succotash,
>
> Gah. Why would anyone eat succotash?

Why would anyone watch Ishtar? Some of us *like* succotash.
--
There can be no doubt that the public--both in and out of the
courtroom--was as titillated by the mention of voodoo as they were by
the presence of Sharon's socks and undershirt. -Lynn Hudson

Charles Wm. Dimmick

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Nov 15, 2011, 1:53:10 PM11/15/11
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On 11/15/2011 1:27 PM, Bob wrote:
> Chinese Meat Fest
http://www.inquisitr.com/146341/china-cancels-dog-meat-festival/

Mary

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Nov 15, 2011, 2:14:39 PM11/15/11
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Oh, well, then. I'm with you all the way if you have brandy.

Mary

Mike Muth

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Nov 15, 2011, 2:34:12 PM11/15/11
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Heather <redbo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent of
> our Christmas dinner. So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
> the whole big dinner thing again?

I have gout, so turkey is not on the menu at any time. I bake and glaze a
ham for Thanksgiving, and Easter. We'll be eating at our church on
Christmas. There will be turkey, ham, and brisket.

--
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BillT...@invalid.com

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Nov 15, 2011, 2:47:19 PM11/15/11
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Ahh, the pesky apostroph:

""
If you’re a fan of dogs you’ll be a fan of this good news, officials
in China have cancelled the Jinhua Hutou Dog Meat Festival, an event
that claims the live’s of 5,000 dogs each year.
""

Lesmond

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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:29:58 -0800 (PST), Bob wrote:

>On Nov 15, 10:55ÿam, "Lesmond" <lesm...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Gah. ÿWhy would anyone eat succotash?
>
>What else would you do with it?

Landfill.

S. Checker

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Nov 15, 2011, 2:33:39 PM11/15/11
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Growing up it was mostly English influence - Yorkshire pudding, roast
beef and so forth. We didn't have much culinary influence from the
German side of our family, but we'd been in-country for 200 years at
that point. When my mom remarried, the new husband was Pennsylvania
Dutch stock (distant offshoot of the Hershey family) and brown gravy
and sauerkraut started to creep in.

Since I married into Italian/Irish stock, it's usually a huge antipasto
platter followed by a huge English meal followed by a huge dessert, at
which point we start planning lunch the next day. My ribs hurt just
thinking about it. They've talked about the Feast of Seven Fishes but
we've never done it.

--
The neist time gentlemen cam to tak their schepe They are no te' be
scabbit!
-- Clan Robson

Lesmond

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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 09:48:26 -0800 (PST), The flail of God, implacable as the
thunderstorm; upon whose boots dries the blood of his foes. wrote:

>On Nov 15, 10:55ÿam, "Lesmond" <lesm...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:42:30 -0800 (PST), The flail of God, implacable as the
>> thunderstorm; upon whose boots dries the blood of his foes. wrote:
>>
>> >On Nov 15, 1:18˜am, Heather <redboro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent of
>> >> our Christmas dinner.
>>
>> > Where do you get turkeys?
>>
>> >> So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
>> >> the whole big dinner thing again?
>>
>> > Yes, with pretty much the same menu. Mainly turkey, possibly a ham.
>> >If you have turkey, you have stuffing, if you have stuffing, you have
>> >cranberry sauce. Mashed potatoes, gravy...the main difference is the
>> >absence of the ceremonial appearance of succotash,
>>
>> Gah. ÿWhy would anyone eat succotash?
>
> Since when are holiday dinners about what anyone wants to do?

Pare the family down to about 8 and it works.

Lesmond

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Nov 15, 2011, 2:51:41 PM11/15/11
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:41:53 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese wrote:

>"Lesmond" <les...@verizon.net> wrote in
>news:yrfzbaqirevmbaar...@192.168.0.6:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:42:30 -0800 (PST), The flail of God, implacable
>> as the thunderstorm; upon whose boots dries the blood of his foes.
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 15, 1:18˜am, Heather <redboro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent
>>>> of our Christmas dinner.
>>>
>>> Where do you get turkeys?
>>>
>>>> So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
>>>> the whole big dinner thing again?
>>>
>>> Yes, with pretty much the same menu. Mainly turkey, possibly a ham.
>>>If you have turkey, you have stuffing, if you have stuffing, you have
>>>cranberry sauce. Mashed potatoes, gravy...the main difference is the
>>>absence of the ceremonial appearance of succotash,
>>
>> Gah. Why would anyone eat succotash?
>
>Why would anyone watch Ishtar? Some of us *like* succotash.

Have you *seen* Ishtar? I've eaten succotash. It has freakin' lima beans in
it.

Boron Elgar

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Nov 15, 2011, 3:02:01 PM11/15/11
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I love lima beans.

Mark Steese

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"Lesmond" <les...@verizon.net> wrote in
news:yrfzbaqirevmbaar...@192.168.0.6:

> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:41:53 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese wrote:
>
>>"Lesmond" <les...@verizon.net> wrote in
>>news:yrfzbaqirevmbaar...@192.168.0.6:
>>
>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:42:30 -0800 (PST), The flail of God,
>>> implacable as the thunderstorm; upon whose boots dries the blood of
>>> his foes. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, with pretty much the same menu. Mainly turkey, possibly a ham.
>>>>If you have turkey, you have stuffing, if you have stuffing, you
>>>>have cranberry sauce. Mashed potatoes, gravy...the main difference
>>>>is the absence of the ceremonial appearance of succotash,
>>>
>>> Gah. Why would anyone eat succotash?
>>
>>Why would anyone watch Ishtar? Some of us *like* succotash.
>
> Have you *seen* Ishtar?

Yes.

> I've eaten succotash. It has freakin' lima beans in it.

Lima beans:Lesmond::Warren Beatty:Mark.
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in the California State Building: a medieval knight in armor, mounted on
a horse, composed entirely of prunes. -Douglas Sackman

Lesmond

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Nov 15, 2011, 3:29:13 PM11/15/11
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I was just about to ask if he kept putting his hand on your knee.

I don't know about the egg. I've seen it in many movies.

My great-grandfather would dump a raw egg into a generous shot of bourbon for
breakfast every morning. Yes, it was Old Grand Dad. And he lived until one
day before his hundredth birthday, so maybe we should all emulate him.

Dover Beach

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Nov 15, 2011, 3:37:35 PM11/15/11
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> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:29:58 -0800 (PST), Bob wrote:
>
>>On Nov 15, 10:55ĸam, "Lesmond" <lesm...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Gah. ĸWhy would anyone eat succotash?
>>
>>What else would you do with it?
>
> Landfill.

Succotash always reminds me of Groove is in the Heart.

Lesmond

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Nov 15, 2011, 3:30:38 PM11/15/11
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Oh, you're the one.

Snidely

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"Lesmond" <les...@verizon.net> scribbled something like ...

> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:02:01 -0500, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:51:41 -0500 (EST), "Lesmond"
>><les...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:41:53 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Lesmond" <les...@verizon.net> wrote in

>>>>> Gah. Why would anyone eat succotash?
>>>>
>>>>Why would anyone watch Ishtar? Some of us *like* succotash.
>>>
>>>Have you *seen* Ishtar? I've eaten succotash. It has freakin' lima
>>>beans in it.
>>
>>I love lima beans.
>
> Oh, you're the one.
>

There's at least 2 on this side ... although I don't fancy Fordhook
limas. Baby limas (not to be confused with baby llamas) get my vote
every time!

(You can't pull the wool over MY beans!)

/dps

Boron Elgar

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Nov 15, 2011, 4:57:44 PM11/15/11
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:30:38 -0500 (EST), "Lesmond"
I will gladly take the world's supply. Even better if I can get butter
beans. Yumm...

Tim Wright

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Nov 15, 2011, 5:12:19 PM11/15/11
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I've had Old Grandad. He lived that long in spite of it, not because of
it. Truly nasty stuff.

I have enjoyed a raw egg in an Orange Julius many times. But an egg by
itself, I'll pass.

--

Tim W

Charles Wm. Dimmick

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Nov 15, 2011, 5:20:33 PM11/15/11
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I like lima beans. I'm even fonder of their southern cousin, butter beans.

hpjeannie

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On Nov 14, 11:13 pm, John Mc <J...@tdcogre.com> wrote:
> On 11/15/2011 1:55 AM, Veronique wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 14, 10:18 pm, Heather<redboro...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent of
> >> our Christmas dinner. So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
> >> the whole big dinner thing again?
>
> > Yes-ish, but there's more choice in the comestibles (except for
> > Mandatory Eggnog) without having to explain why one is straying from
> > "tradition." And you may choose to eschew a dinner entirely, if you
> > have opened your house to people dropping by all afternoon-- in that
> > case, snacks are fine (but don't forget the Mandatory Eggnog.) Also,
> > there isn't quite the focus on one particular day for The Big Food
> > Thing...maybe have folken over on the 24th, or on Boxing Day, or why
> > not wait until mid-week, the kids are off anyway, we'll all come over
> > then when it's not quite so hectic.
>
> > Goose. Roast goose with chestnut stuffing for Christmas, we're sitting
> > down promptly at 1 pm to eat, yes of course we'd love for you to bring
> > your parsnip clafouti, we'll do the gift exchange after we eat, then
> > eggnog and dessert, well trifle of course, I always make trifle for
> > Christmas dessert, no really, the parsnip clafouti is more than
> > enough, no need to go to the trouble of making beet-chocolate cake,
> > it's like fruitcake only with beets and chocolate, I understand, yes a
> > non-dairy choice is nice, see you Christmas afternoon, and we'll hope
> > the furnace is working by then!
>
> > V.
> > --
> > Veronique Chez Sheep
>
> So, just what DO you put in your eggnog?

PCP, apparently.

Jeannie :)

hpjeannie

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On Nov 15, 12:30 pm, "Lesmond" <lesm...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:02:01 -0500, Boron Elgar wrote:
> >On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:51:41 -0500 (EST), "Lesmond"
> ><lesm...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >>On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:41:53 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese wrote:
>
> >>>"Lesmond" <lesm...@verizon.net> wrote in
> >>>news:yrfzbaqirevmbaar...@192.168.0.6:
>
> >>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:42:30 -0800 (PST), The flail of God, implacable
> >>>> as the thunderstorm; upon whose boots dries the blood of his foes.
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>On Nov 15, 1:18 am, Heather <redboro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent
> >>>>>> of our Christmas dinner.
>
> >>>>> Where do you get turkeys?
>
> >>>>>> So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
> >>>>>> the whole big dinner thing again?
>
> >>>>> Yes, with pretty much the same menu. Mainly turkey, possibly a ham.
> >>>>>If you have turkey, you have stuffing, if you have stuffing, you have
> >>>>>cranberry sauce. Mashed potatoes, gravy...the main difference is the
> >>>>>absence of the ceremonial appearance of succotash,
>
> >>>> Gah.  Why would anyone eat succotash?
>
> >>>Why would anyone watch Ishtar? Some of us *like* succotash.
>
> >>Have you *seen* Ishtar?  I've eaten succotash.  It has freakin' lima beans in
> >>it.
>
> >I love lima beans.
>
> Oh, you're the one.

I'm standing behind Boron, so there are two of us.

I wrote a paper in grade school about a corn planet and a lima bean
planet forming a new civilization on a third planet...that they called
succotash, of course.

Jeannie
GRADE school, not grad school

Tim Wright

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I don't care for lima beans. My wife loves them. I do like butter
beans. Don't ask why one but not the other, I'm just odd that way.

--

Tim W

Mark Steese

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hpjeannie <hpje...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1867e9ad-0229-4556...@n35g2000yqf.googlegroups.com:

> On Nov 15, 12:30 pm, "Lesmond" <lesm...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:02:01 -0500, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> >On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:51:41 -0500 (EST), "Lesmond"
>> ><lesm...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:41:53 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese wrote:
>>
>> >>>"Lesmond" <lesm...@verizon.net> wrote in
>> >>>news:yrfzbaqirevmbaar...@192.168.0.6:
>>
>> >>>> Gah.  Why would anyone eat succotash?
>>
>> >>>Why would anyone watch Ishtar? Some of us *like* succotash.
>>
>> >>Have you *seen* Ishtar?  I've eaten succotash.  It has freakin'
>> >>lima beans in it.
>>
>> >I love lima beans.
>>
>> Oh, you're the one.
>
> I'm standing behind Boron, so there are two of us.

Three. I love lima beans, and pretty much every other kind of legume. (I
like egg nog, too. I get the feeling I'm not invited to Christmas at
Lesmond's...)
--
The boughs rustled, and the air was stirred by the muffled beat of their
wings: I could see them, like unearthly, boding shapes, as they swooped
between me and the stars. -Bayard Taylor

hpjeannie

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On Nov 15, 2:12 pm, Tim Wright <tlwrigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/15/2011 2:29 PM, Lesmond wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 15 Nov 2011 12:03:31 -0600, M C Hamster wrote:
>
> >> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:43:10 -0500 (EST), "Lesmond"
> >> <lesm...@verizon.net>  wrote:
>
> >>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:11:05 +0000 (UTC), N J Marsh wrote:
>
> >>>> Heather<redboro...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>>> The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent of
> >>>>> our Christmas dinner. So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
> >>>>> the whole big dinner thing again?
>
> >>>> As Bill said, Thanksgiving is at a more civilized date, and also, it's not
> >>>> as big of a holiday as it is in the US, so there is no real conflict.
>
> >>>> That said, I have never had egg nog at Christmas, and our traditional meal
> >>>> is a Chinese Meat Fest.
>
> >>> The last three years we have our Christmas with my in-laws on weekends, so I
> >>> invite friends over for the actual day.  We usually have burgers.
>
> >>> And never any egg nog.  It's vile.
>
> >> What's with the thing of breaking a raw egg into a glass and drinking
> >> it, in a bar?  I was watching "The Verdict" with Paul Newman and he
> >> did that, and it wasn't pleasant just watching it.
>
> >> No wait, Paul Newman wasn't here.  You know what I mean.
>
> > I was just about to ask if he kept putting his hand on your knee.
>
> > I don't know about the egg.  I've seen it in many movies.
>
> > My great-grandfather would dump a raw egg into a generous shot of bourbon for
> > breakfast every morning.  Yes, it was Old Grand Dad.  And he lived until one
> > day before his hundredth birthday, so maybe we should all emulate him.
>
> I've had Old Grandad.  He lived that long in spite of it, not because of
> it.  Truly nasty stuff.
>
> I have enjoyed a raw egg in an Orange Julius many times.  But an egg by
> itself, I'll pass.

When I shared an apartment with a co-worker I used to have a raw egg
mixed thoroughly into a glass of chocolate milk for dinner. That way
if I didn't feel like fixing something, or eating much, I could still
say "yes" when my then-boyfriend (now hubby) asked pointedly if I'd
had dinner. (I was borderline hypoglycemic, but seem to have outgrown
it.)

There must be some point to the raw egg. Protein against a later
hangover, maybe?

Jeannie

hpjeannie

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Nov 15, 2011, 5:37:27 PM11/15/11
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On Nov 14, 10:18 pm, Heather <redboro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent of
> our Christmas dinner. So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
> the whole big dinner thing again?

My mom dislikes cooking turkeys, so Thanksgiving was always "it" for
the year. For Christmas we had ham or crown roast, both of which I
liked better than turkey anyway. But both holidays certainly called
for pumpkin pie, pecan pie, and (at Christmas only) mincemeat pie,
which only my mom liked so we really only had it every third Christmas
or so.

Side dishes were the same for both holidays - candied yams, mashed
potatoes with gravy, rolls, corn or peas or peas n carrots, Jello
salad with fruit or frozen lime mint Jello "salad" (made with lime
Jello, Cool Whip, crushed pineapple and crushed butter mints...oh wow)
and sometimes also a green salad if our non-Jello relatives were
there.

Jeannie

Nasti J

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On Nov 14, 11:18 pm, Heather <redboro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent of
> our Christmas dinner. So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
> the whole big dinner thing again?
>
> --
> Heather

Ham or crown roast of pork, because our Jewish friends are less likely
to be joining us for Christmas.

Heather

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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:41:53 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese
<mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Lesmond" <les...@verizon.net> wrote in
>news:yrfzbaqirevmbaar...@192.168.0.6:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:42:30 -0800 (PST), The flail of God, implacable
>> as the thunderstorm; upon whose boots dries the blood of his foes.
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 15, 1:18ÿam, Heather <redboro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent
>>>> of our Christmas dinner.
>>>
>>> Where do you get turkeys?
>>>
>>>> So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
>>>> the whole big dinner thing again?
>>>
>>> Yes, with pretty much the same menu. Mainly turkey, possibly a ham.
>>>If you have turkey, you have stuffing, if you have stuffing, you have
>>>cranberry sauce. Mashed potatoes, gravy...the main difference is the
>>>absence of the ceremonial appearance of succotash,
>>
>> Gah. Why would anyone eat succotash?
>
>Why would anyone watch Ishtar? Some of us *like* succotash.


What is succotash?

--
Heather

The flail of God, implacable as the thunderstorm; upon whose boots dries the blood of his foes.

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On Nov 15, 5:12 pm, Tim Wright <tlwrigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/15/2011 2:29 PM, Lesmond wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 15 Nov 2011 12:03:31 -0600, M C Hamster wrote:
>
> >> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:43:10 -0500 (EST), "Lesmond"
> >> <lesm...@verizon.net>  wrote:
>
> >>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:11:05 +0000 (UTC), N J Marsh wrote:
>
> >>>> Heather<redboro...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>>> The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent of
> >>>>> our Christmas dinner. So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
> >>>>> the whole big dinner thing again?
>
> >>>> As Bill said, Thanksgiving is at a more civilized date, and also, it's not
> >>>> as big of a holiday as it is in the US, so there is no real conflict.
>
> >>>> That said, I have never had egg nog at Christmas, and our traditional meal
> >>>> is a Chinese Meat Fest.
>
> >>> The last three years we have our Christmas with my in-laws on weekends, so I
> >>> invite friends over for the actual day.  We usually have burgers.
>
> >>> And never any egg nog.  It's vile.
>
> >> What's with the thing of breaking a raw egg into a glass and drinking
> >> it, in a bar?  I was watching "The Verdict" with Paul Newman and he
> >> did that, and it wasn't pleasant just watching it.
>
> >> No wait, Paul Newman wasn't here.  You know what I mean.
>
> > I was just about to ask if he kept putting his hand on your knee.
>
> > I don't know about the egg.  I've seen it in many movies.
>
> > My great-grandfather would dump a raw egg into a generous shot of bourbon for
> > breakfast every morning.  Yes, it was Old Grand Dad.  And he lived until one
> > day before his hundredth birthday, so maybe we should all emulate him.
>
> I've had Old Grandad.  He lived that long in spite of it, not because of
> it.  Truly nasty stuff.

I advise you to stay away from Old Crow, then.

Boron Elgar

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On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:42:30 +1100, Heather <redbo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Mixed vegetables - kernel corn and limas, at minimum, usually some
other beans, too. maybe some sweet peppers. IT's pretty flexible,
except for the first two ingredients.

Boron

Howard Holey Hail

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Nov 15, 2011, 8:14:16 PM11/15/11
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Boron Elgar <boron...@hootmail.com> wrote

> I love lima beans.

How do limas compare to favas (which I like)? I've avoided limas due to
the reputation and never knowing a lima liker, but if they're close to
favas then I'd try them.

Les Albert

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Nov 15, 2011, 8:29:21 PM11/15/11
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:02:14 -0800 (PST), Nasti J
<njgi...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Nov 14, 11:18 pm, Heather <redboro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent of
>> our Christmas dinner. So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
>> the whole big dinner thing again?

>Ham or crown roast of pork, because our Jewish friends are less likely
>to be joining us for Christmas.


They don't join you because of what you serve for dinner.

Les

Les Albert

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Boron Elgar

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I don't serve favas as I would limas. I generally mash favas and dress
them. I use them almost interchangeably with chick peas.

Boron

Tim Wright

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On 11/15/2011 6:42 PM, The flail of God, implacable as the thunderstorm;
upon whose boots dries the blood of his foes. wrote:
A long way away. Should be called Old Overcoat. For bourbon, I prefer
W.L. Weller. But most of the time it is either Glenlivet or Jameson.

--

Tim W

Tim Wright

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Favas should be served with liver and a nice chianti.



--

Tim W

Heather

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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:00:19 -0500, Boron Elgar
<boron...@hootmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:42:30 +1100, Heather <redbo...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>What is succotash?
>
>Mixed vegetables - kernel corn and limas, at minimum, usually some
>other beans, too. maybe some sweet peppers. IT's pretty flexible,
>except for the first two ingredients.
>

Thank you. I had heard of green bean casserole being served at
Thanksgiving but not succotash. I know roughly what green bean
casserole is and have just googled candied yams, which seem to contain
a lot of sugar.

--
Heather

Heather

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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:33:07 -0800, Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:42:30 +1100, Heather <redbo...@gmail.com>
>wrote:

Thank you.

--
Heather

Nasti J

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On Nov 15, 6:29 pm, Les Albert <lalbe...@aol.com> wrote:

> They don't join you because of what you serve for dinner.

No, but we have what's being served because they're not joining us -
it would be an insult to them to serve ham or roast pork as the main
course.

BillT...@invalid.com

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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:25:18 -0600, Tim Wright <tlwri...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Then chuck the lot into the bin.

Mary

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Me too, I love lima beans.

Mary

Mary

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Butter, brown sugar, and bourbon in mine.

Mary

Mary

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That's me, I'm a non-Jello relative.

Mary

Lesmond

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They are a thing of beauty.

--
If there's a nuclear winter, at least it'll snow.



Lesmond

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On 15 Nov 2011 20:37:35 GMT, Dover Beach wrote:

>"Lesmond" <les...@verizon.net> wrote in
>news:yrfzbaqirevmbaar...@192.168.0.6:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:29:58 -0800 (PST), Bob wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 15, 10:55˜am, "Lesmond" <lesm...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gah. ˜Why would anyone eat succotash?
>>>
>>>What else would you do with it?
>>
>> Landfill.
>
>Succotash always reminds me of Groove is in the Heart.

Oh my God. Why? I just saw that video this morning for the first time in
forever.

I'm all weirded out now.

Lesmond

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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:22:07 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese wrote:

>"Lesmond" <les...@verizon.net> wrote in
>news:yrfzbaqirevmbaar...@192.168.0.6:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:41:53 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese wrote:
>>
>>>"Lesmond" <les...@verizon.net> wrote in
>>>news:yrfzbaqirevmbaar...@192.168.0.6:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:42:30 -0800 (PST), The flail of God,
>>>> implacable as the thunderstorm; upon whose boots dries the blood of
>>>> his foes. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, with pretty much the same menu. Mainly turkey, possibly a ham.
>>>>>If you have turkey, you have stuffing, if you have stuffing, you
>>>>>have cranberry sauce. Mashed potatoes, gravy...the main difference
>>>>>is the absence of the ceremonial appearance of succotash,
>>>>
>>>> Gah. Why would anyone eat succotash?
>>>
>>>Why would anyone watch Ishtar? Some of us *like* succotash.
>>
>> Have you *seen* Ishtar?
>
>Yes.
>
>> I've eaten succotash. It has freakin' lima beans in it.
>
>Lima beans:Lesmond::Warren Beatty:Mark.

Fair enough.

art...@yahoo.com

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On Nov 15, 5:37 pm, hpjeannie <hpjean...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Side dishes were the same for both holidays - candied yams, mashed
> potatoes with gravy, rolls, corn or peas or peas n carrots, Jello
> salad with fruit or frozen lime mint Jello "salad" (made with lime
> Jello, Cool Whip, crushed pineapple and crushed butter mints...oh wow)
> and sometimes also a green salad if our non-Jello relatives were
> there.

I just had an image of Thanksgiving at Jello Biafra's house. What's
for dinner?

hpjeannie

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On Nov 15, 7:10 pm, Mary <mrfeath...@a0l.com> wrote:
> On 11/15/2011 8:31 PM, Heather wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:00:19 -0500, Boron Elgar
> > <boron_el...@hootmail.com>  wrote:
>
> >> On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:42:30 +1100, Heather<redboro...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> What is succotash?
>
> >> Mixed vegetables - kernel corn and limas, at minimum, usually some
> >> other beans, too. maybe some sweet peppers. IT's pretty flexible,
> >> except for the first two ingredients.
>
> > Thank you. I had heard of green bean casserole being served at
> > Thanksgiving but not succotash. I know roughly what green bean
> > casserole is and have just googled candied yams, which seem to contain
> > a lot of sugar.
>
> Butter, brown sugar, and bourbon in mine.

And just 'cause that's not enough sweetness, nicely browned
marshmallows melting on top.

Jeannie

hpjeannie

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On Nov 15, 5:14 pm, Howard Holey Hail <howardholeyh...@hootmail.com>
wrote:
> Boron Elgar <boron_el...@hootmail.com> wrote
My dad grew favas for a while to add nitrogen to his garden, not
realizing that you were supposed to plow them under as soon as they
bloom instead of letting them produce. The fava beans are like
oversized limas, a bit mealier and with less flavor than I was used to
with limas. Maybe he let them get overripe. But I still liked
'em...got some coming up in my planting areas right now, matter of
fact, and a couple of them will be allowed to bear.

Jeannie

Lesmond

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Nov 15, 2011, 10:34:21 PM11/15/11
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:50:10 -0800 (PST), Nasti J wrote:
I have a lot of Jewish friends who eat ham.

And cheeseburgers. With bacon.

And shellfish.

Mary

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That's something that we've never done. Ron would probably like it, though.

Mary

Lesmond

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Nov 15, 2011, 10:47:39 PM11/15/11
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:26:22 -0800 (PST), hpjeannie wrote:

>On Nov 15, 2:12ÿpm, Tim Wright <tlwrigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 11/15/2011 2:29 PM, Lesmond wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 15 Nov 2011 12:03:31 -0600, M C Hamster wrote:
>>
>> >> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:43:10 -0500 (EST), "Lesmond"
>> >> <lesm...@verizon.net> ÿwrote:
>>
>> >>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:11:05 +0000 (UTC), N J Marsh wrote:
>>
>> >>>> Heather<redboro...@gmail.com> ÿwrote:
>> >>>>> The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent of
>> >>>>> our Christmas dinner. So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
>> >>>>> the whole big dinner thing again?
>>
>> >>>> As Bill said, Thanksgiving is at a more civilized date, and also, it's not
>> >>>> as big of a holiday as it is in the US, so there is no real conflict..
>>
>> >>>> That said, I have never had egg nog at Christmas, and our traditional meal
>> >>>> is a Chinese Meat Fest.
>>
>> >>> The last three years we have our Christmas with my in-laws on weekends, so I
>> >>> invite friends over for the actual day. ÿWe usually have burgers.
>>
>> >>> And never any egg nog. ÿIt's vile.
>>
>> >> What's with the thing of breaking a raw egg into a glass and drinking
>> >> it, in a bar? ÿI was watching "The Verdict" with Paul Newman and he
>> >> did that, and it wasn't pleasant just watching it.
>>
>> >> No wait, Paul Newman wasn't here. ÿYou know what I mean.
>>
>> > I was just about to ask if he kept putting his hand on your knee.
>>
>> > I don't know about the egg. ÿI've seen it in many movies.
>>
>> > My great-grandfather would dump a raw egg into a generous shot of bourbon for
>> > breakfast every morning. ÿYes, it was Old Grand Dad. ÿAnd he lived until one
>> > day before his hundredth birthday, so maybe we should all emulate him.
>>
>> I've had Old Grandad. ÿHe lived that long in spite of it, not because of
>> it. ÿTruly nasty stuff.
>>
>> I have enjoyed a raw egg in an Orange Julius many times. ÿBut an egg by
>> itself, I'll pass.
>
>When I shared an apartment with a co-worker I used to have a raw egg
>mixed thoroughly into a glass of chocolate milk

Can't read any further.

Lesmond

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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:29:25 -0800 (PST), hpjeannie wrote:

>On Nov 15, 12:30ÿpm, "Lesmond" <lesm...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:02:01 -0500, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> >On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:51:41 -0500 (EST), "Lesmond"
>> ><lesm...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:41:53 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese wrote:
>>
>> >>>"Lesmond" <lesm...@verizon.net> wrote in
>> >>>news:yrfzbaqirevmbaar...@192.168.0.6:
>>
>> >>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:42:30 -0800 (PST), The flail of God, implacable
>> >>>> as the thunderstorm; upon whose boots dries the blood of his foes.
>> >>>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>On Nov 15, 1:18 am, Heather <redboro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>> The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent
>> >>>>>> of our Christmas dinner.
>>
>> >>>>> Where do you get turkeys?
>>
>> >>>>>> So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
>> >>>>>> the whole big dinner thing again?
>>
>> >>>>> Yes, with pretty much the same menu. Mainly turkey, possibly a ham.
>> >>>>>If you have turkey, you have stuffing, if you have stuffing, you have
>> >>>>>cranberry sauce. Mashed potatoes, gravy...the main difference is the
>> >>>>>absence of the ceremonial appearance of succotash,
>>
>> >>>> Gah. ÿWhy would anyone eat succotash?
>>
>> >>>Why would anyone watch Ishtar? Some of us *like* succotash.
>>
>> >>Have you *seen* Ishtar? ÿI've eaten succotash. ÿIt has freakin' lima beans in
>> >>it.
>>
>> >I love lima beans.
>>
>> Oh, you're the one.
>
>I'm standing behind Boron, so there are two of us.
>
>I wrote a paper in grade school about a corn planet and a lima bean
>planet forming a new civilization on a third planet...that they called
>succotash, of course.

Well, of course.

My kid just wrote a story for school that involved bank robbery, murder and
evisceration. That's my boy.

Lesmond

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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:12:19 -0600, Tim Wright wrote:

>On 11/15/2011 2:29 PM, Lesmond wrote:
>> On 15 Nov 2011 12:03:31 -0600, M C Hamster wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:43:10 -0500 (EST), "Lesmond"
>>> <les...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:11:05 +0000 (UTC), N J Marsh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Heather<redbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent of
>>>>>> our Christmas dinner. So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
>>>>>> the whole big dinner thing again?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As Bill said, Thanksgiving is at a more civilized date, and also, it's not
>>>>> as big of a holiday as it is in the US, so there is no real conflict.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, I have never had egg nog at Christmas, and our traditional meal
>>>>> is a Chinese Meat Fest.
>>>>
>>>> The last three years we have our Christmas with my in-laws on weekends, so I
>>>> invite friends over for the actual day. We usually have burgers.
>>>>
>>>> And never any egg nog. It's vile.
>>>
>>> What's with the thing of breaking a raw egg into a glass and drinking
>>> it, in a bar? I was watching "The Verdict" with Paul Newman and he
>>> did that, and it wasn't pleasant just watching it.
>>>
>>> No wait, Paul Newman wasn't here. You know what I mean.
>>
>> I was just about to ask if he kept putting his hand on your knee.
>>
>> I don't know about the egg. I've seen it in many movies.
>>
>> My great-grandfather would dump a raw egg into a generous shot of bourbon for
>> breakfast every morning. Yes, it was Old Grand Dad. And he lived until one
>> day before his hundredth birthday, so maybe we should all emulate him.
>>
>I've had Old Grandad. He lived that long in spite of it, not because of
>it. Truly nasty stuff.
>
>I have enjoyed a raw egg in an Orange Julius many times. But an egg by
>itself, I'll pass.

You've made me gag.

Lesmond

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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 22:44:43 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese wrote:

>hpjeannie <hpje...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:1867e9ad-0229-4556...@n35g2000yqf.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Nov 15, 12:30ÿpm, "Lesmond" <lesm...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:02:01 -0500, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> >On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:51:41 -0500 (EST), "Lesmond"
>>> ><lesm...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:41:53 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>"Lesmond" <lesm...@verizon.net> wrote in
>>> >>>news:yrfzbaqirevmbaar...@192.168.0.6:
>>>
>>> >>>> Gah. ÿWhy would anyone eat succotash?
>>>
>>> >>>Why would anyone watch Ishtar? Some of us *like* succotash.
>>>
>>> >>Have you *seen* Ishtar? ÿI've eaten succotash. ÿIt has freakin'
>>> >>lima beans in it.
>>>
>>> >I love lima beans.
>>>
>>> Oh, you're the one.
>>
>> I'm standing behind Boron, so there are two of us.
>
>Three. I love lima beans, and pretty much every other kind of legume. (I
>like egg nog, too. I get the feeling I'm not invited to Christmas at
>Lesmond's...)

Of course you're invited. You just have to eat ham and cheeseburgers and
candied yams and lots of mashed potatoes.

Lesmond

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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 19:36:20 -0800 (PST), hpjeannie wrote:

>On Nov 15, 7:10ÿpm, Mary <mrfeath...@a0l.com> wrote:
>> On 11/15/2011 8:31 PM, Heather wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:00:19 -0500, Boron Elgar
>> > <boron_el...@hootmail.com> ÿwrote:
>>
>> >> On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:42:30 +1100, Heather<redboro...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >>> What is succotash?
>>
>> >> Mixed vegetables - kernel corn and limas, at minimum, usually some
>> >> other beans, too. maybe some sweet peppers. IT's pretty flexible,
>> >> except for the first two ingredients.
>>
>> > Thank you. I had heard of green bean casserole being served at
>> > Thanksgiving but not succotash. I know roughly what green bean
>> > casserole is and have just googled candied yams, which seem to contain
>> > a lot of sugar.
>>
>> Butter, brown sugar, and bourbon in mine.
>
>And just 'cause that's not enough sweetness, nicely browned
>marshmallows melting on top.

Sorry, Mary, I'm going to Jeannie's.

Lesmond

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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 22:18:33 -0500 (EST), Lesmond wrote:

>On 15 Nov 2011 20:37:35 GMT, Dover Beach wrote:
>
>>"Lesmond" <les...@verizon.net> wrote in
>>news:yrfzbaqirevmbaar...@192.168.0.6:
>>
>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:29:58 -0800 (PST), Bob wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Nov 15, 10:55 am, "Lesmond" <lesm...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gah. Why would anyone eat succotash?
>>>>
>>>>What else would you do with it?
>>>
>>> Landfill.
>>
>>Succotash always reminds me of Groove is in the Heart.
>
>Oh my God. Why?

Nevermind. I just YouTubed and know why.

I just saw that video this morning for the first time in
>forever.
>
>I'm all weirded out now.

But this stands.

Lesmond

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I am *so* coming to your house.

John Mc

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Nov 16, 2011, 2:57:26 AM11/16/11
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On 11/15/2011 10:43 AM, Lesmond wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:11:05 +0000 (UTC), N J Marsh wrote:
>
>> Heather<redbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent of
>>> our Christmas dinner. So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
>>> the whole big dinner thing again?
>>>
>>
>> As Bill said, Thanksgiving is at a more civilized date, and also, it's not
>> as big of a holiday as it is in the US, so there is no real conflict.
>>
>> That said, I have never had egg nog at Christmas, and our traditional meal
>> is a Chinese Meat Fest.
>
> The last three years we have our Christmas with my in-laws on weekends, so I
> invite friends over for the actual day. We usually have burgers.
>
> And never any egg nog. It's vile.
>

Not mine. It's made with milk, sugar, beaten eggs, nutmeg and rum. But I
leave out the milk, sugar, beaten eggs and nutmeg.


John Mc.

Boron Elgar

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Nov 16, 2011, 6:44:13 AM11/16/11
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:50:10 -0800 (PST), Nasti J
Only if they keep kosher and follow dietary guidelines. Very few Jews
do.

Boron

Mikko Peltoniemi

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Nov 16, 2011, 7:23:53 AM11/16/11
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On 11/15/2011 10:55 AM, Lesmond wrote:

> Gah. Why would anyone eat succotash?

Aha there it is again! Elias has been a fan of Winnie the Pooh,
and it's come up there, and I had no idea what it was.

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Nov 16, 2011, 7:28:47 AM11/16/11
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On 11/15/2011 7:11 AM, N J Marsh wrote:

> That said, I have never had egg nog at Christmas, and our traditional meal
> is a Chinese Meat Fest.

Aren't they rather small? Or so I've heard...

Scandinavian Christmas ham, sweet potato casserole (not from sweet
potatoes, but... ah forget it), rutabaga and carrot casseroles
for us. Pinwheel pastries (that can easily double as swastika pastries,
unless you're careful when making them), rice pudding, and glögg.

Lesmond

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Nov 16, 2011, 8:20:27 AM11/16/11
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Now, *that's* some egg nog I can get behind.

Nick Spalding

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Nov 16, 2011, 8:49:57 AM11/16/11
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Lesmond wrote, in <yrfzbaqirevmbaar...@192.168.0.6>
on Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:20:27 -0500 (EST):
ITYM "get outside".
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Veronique

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On Nov 15, 7:34 pm, "Lesmond" <lesm...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:50:10 -0800 (PST), Nasti J wrote:
> >On Nov 15, 6:29ÿpm, Les Albert <lalbe...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> They don't join you because of what you serve for dinner.
>
> >No, but we have what's being served because they're not joining us -
> >it would be an insult to them to serve ham or roast pork as the main
> >course.
>
> I have a lot of Jewish friends who eat ham.
>
> And cheeseburgers.  With bacon.
>
> And shellfish.
>


Sounds like my vegetarian sister.


V.
--
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Mikko Peltoniemi

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Nov 16, 2011, 11:16:14 AM11/16/11
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On 11/16/2011 7:28 AM, Mikko Peltoniemi wrote:
> On 11/15/2011 7:11 AM, N J Marsh wrote:
>
>> That said, I have never had egg nog at Christmas, and our traditional
>> meal
>> is a Chinese Meat Fest.
>
> Aren't they rather small? Or so I've heard...
>
> Scandinavian Christmas ham, sweet potato casserole (not from sweet
> potatoes, but... ah forget it), rutabaga and carrot casseroles
> for us. Pinwheel pastries (that can easily double as swastika pastries,
> unless you're careful when making them), rice pudding, and glögg.

Forgot the most important thing: rye bread. The real reason for making
Christmas ham is the ham-on-rye sandwich on the day after.

Les Albert

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Nov 16, 2011, 12:57:51 PM11/16/11
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:32:39 +1100, Heather <redbo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:33:07 -0800, Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com>
>wrote:
>>On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:42:30 +1100, Heather <redbo...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:

>>>What is succotash?

>>See:
>>http://www.reluctantgourmet.com/blog/side-dish-recipes/summer-succotash/
>>or http://tinyurl.com/7nfho28

>Thank you.


As a footnote, many times it is served with only the corn and lima
beans. Sometimes creamed corn is used for this, and sometimes not.

Les

Mike Muth

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Nov 16, 2011, 1:43:05 PM11/16/11
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Had Egg nog recently?

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Nov 16, 2011, 1:50:38 PM11/16/11
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Heather <redbo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:00:19 -0500, Boron Elgar
> <boron...@hootmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:42:30 +1100, Heather <redbo...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>>
>>>What is succotash?
>>
>>Mixed vegetables - kernel corn and limas, at minimum, usually some
>>other beans, too. maybe some sweet peppers. IT's pretty flexible,
>>except for the first two ingredients.

> Thank you. I had heard of green bean casserole being served at
> Thanksgiving but not succotash. I know roughly what green bean
> casserole is and have just googled candied yams, which seem to contain
> a lot of sugar.

1,000 recipes from 26 countries in my database. Not one is for succotash,
candied yams, or green bean casserole. I obviously need to take another
look at my grandmother's cookbook.

Boron Elgar

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Nov 16, 2011, 2:20:09 PM11/16/11
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On 16 Nov 2011 18:50:38 GMT, Mike Muth <mi...@unverbesserlich.net>
wrote:

>Heather <redbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:00:19 -0500, Boron Elgar
>> <boron...@hootmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:42:30 +1100, Heather <redbo...@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>What is succotash?
>>>
>>>Mixed vegetables - kernel corn and limas, at minimum, usually some
>>>other beans, too. maybe some sweet peppers. IT's pretty flexible,
>>>except for the first two ingredients.
>
>> Thank you. I had heard of green bean casserole being served at
>> Thanksgiving but not succotash. I know roughly what green bean
>> casserole is and have just googled candied yams, which seem to contain
>> a lot of sugar.
>
>1,000 recipes from 26 countries in my database. Not one is for succotash,
>candied yams, or green bean casserole. I obviously need to take another
>look at my grandmother's cookbook.


I have never made any of those items for holidays.

The only succotash I've had is BirdsEye, and I pick the limas and
corn, and I do not like sweetened yams nor do I care for mushroom soup
in green beans.

These items have become commercially iconic as have those lousy
Pillsbury crescent rolls, which get advertised this time of year as if
they are some treasured family tradition. Yuck.

Boron

Heather

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Nov 16, 2011, 4:59:04 PM11/16/11
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 07:28:47 -0500, Mikko Peltoniemi
<mikk...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 11/15/2011 7:11 AM, N J Marsh wrote:
>
>> That said, I have never had egg nog at Christmas, and our traditional meal
>> is a Chinese Meat Fest.
>
>Aren't they rather small? Or so I've heard...
>
>Scandinavian Christmas ham, sweet potato casserole (not from sweet
>potatoes, but... ah forget it), rutabaga and carrot casseroles
>for us. Pinwheel pastries (that can easily double as swastika pastries,
>unless you're careful when making them), rice pudding, and glögg.


How can one forget sweet potato casserole? Now you have to tell us
what it is.

And what is different about Scandinavian Christmas ham?'

--
Heather

John Mc

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Nov 16, 2011, 5:09:53 PM11/16/11
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On 11/15/2011 3:30 PM, Lesmond wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:02:01 -0500, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:51:41 -0500 (EST), "Lesmond"
>> <les...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:41:53 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Lesmond"<les...@verizon.net> wrote in
>>>> news:yrfzbaqirevmbaar...@192.168.0.6:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:42:30 -0800 (PST), The flail of God, implacable
>>>>> as the thunderstorm; upon whose boots dries the blood of his foes.
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 15, 1:18 am, Heather<redboro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent
>>>>>>> of our Christmas dinner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where do you get turkeys?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
>>>>>>> the whole big dinner thing again?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, with pretty much the same menu. Mainly turkey, possibly a ham.
>>>>>> If you have turkey, you have stuffing, if you have stuffing, you have
>>>>>> cranberry sauce. Mashed potatoes, gravy...the main difference is the
>>>>>> absence of the ceremonial appearance of succotash,
>>>>>
>>>>> Gah. Why would anyone eat succotash?
>>>>
>>>> Why would anyone watch Ishtar? Some of us *like* succotash.
>>>
>>> Have you *seen* Ishtar? I've eaten succotash. It has freakin' lima beans in
>>> it.
>>
>>
>> I love lima beans.
>
> Oh, you're the one.
>

No, I also have no problem with Lima beans on an occasion. As weekly
fare, no, but once every month or so is acceptable.

John Mc.


John Mc

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Nov 16, 2011, 5:11:52 PM11/16/11
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On 11/15/2011 5:20 PM, Charles Wm. Dimmick wrote:
> On 11/15/2011 2:51 PM, Lesmond wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:41:53 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese wrote:
>>
>>> "Lesmond"<les...@verizon.net> wrote in
>>> news:yrfzbaqirevmbaar...@192.168.0.6:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:42:30 -0800 (PST), The flail of God, implacable
>>>> as the thunderstorm; upon whose boots dries the blood of his foes.
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 15, 1:18˜am, Heather<redboro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> The US celebrates thanksgiving with what seems to be the equivalent
>>>>>> of our Christmas dinner.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where do you get turkeys?
>>>>>
>>>>>> So what do people do at Christmas? Do they do
>>>>>> the whole big dinner thing again?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, with pretty much the same menu. Mainly turkey, possibly a ham.
>>>>> If you have turkey, you have stuffing, if you have stuffing, you have
>>>>> cranberry sauce. Mashed potatoes, gravy...the main difference is the
>>>>> absence of the ceremonial appearance of succotash,
>>>>
>>>> Gah. Why would anyone eat succotash?
>>>
>>> Why would anyone watch Ishtar? Some of us *like* succotash.
>>
>> Have you *seen* Ishtar? I've eaten succotash. It has freakin' lima
>> beans in
>> it.
>>
> I like lima beans. I'm even fonder of their southern cousin, butter beans.


You'll get no disagreement from me. OTOH Brussels sprouts should be
banned as WMD's or something.

John Mc.

David J. Martin

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Nov 16, 2011, 5:19:36 PM11/16/11
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I'm surprised no one has offered this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkhPuH8G5Hg

SFW and very short.

David



Mary

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With a goat!

Mary
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