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Howart Holay Hail
Dec 31, 2011, 4:41:49 PM12/31/11
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Off the top of my head, I can think of several cities with skyline
dominating essentially useless structures -- Washington has its Washington
Monument, St. Louis has its Arch, Seattle has its Needle, which seems to be
not much more than a tall restaurant.
What other cities have done this? NYC's skyscrapers obviously are useful
even if there's a fair amount of vanity involved in something like the
Empire State Building. My understanding is that Toronto's CN tower serves
a useful function for broadcasters, but I could be wrong about how
necessary it really is and whether a smaller tower could serve the same
purpose. Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
dominating essentially useless structures -- Washington has its Washington
Monument, St. Louis has its Arch, Seattle has its Needle, which seems to be
not much more than a tall restaurant.
What other cities have done this? NYC's skyscrapers obviously are useful
even if there's a fair amount of vanity involved in something like the
Empire State Building. My understanding is that Toronto's CN tower serves
a useful function for broadcasters, but I could be wrong about how
necessary it really is and whether a smaller tower could serve the same
purpose. Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
Mary
Dec 31, 2011, 4:50:40 PM12/31/11
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Mary
Captain Infinity
Dec 31, 2011, 5:14:31 PM12/31/11
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Once Upon A Time,
he is particularly useless.
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Captain Infinity
Howart Holay Hail wrote:
>Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
>like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
Ashton Kutcher is 6 feet 3 inches tall. That's not particularly tall, but
>Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
>like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
he is particularly useless.
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Mark Steese
Dec 31, 2011, 5:15:59 PM12/31/11
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Howart Holay Hail <howarth...@notmail.com> wrote in
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The Statue of Liberty is New York's equivalent of the Washington
Monument - Lady Liberty's kinda neat and all, but like the others you
mentioned, her main use is the attraction of tourist dollars. (She's
nowhere near as tall as the St Louis Arch, the Space Needle, or the
Washington Monument, though - even when you throw in the pedestal, the
total height's under a hundred meters.)
According to Wikipedia, the San Jacinto Monument in Houston is "the
world's tallest monumental column," just shy of 173 meters (the
Washington Monument is a little over 169 meters). Figures that Texans
would want to make sure theirs was bigger.
My personal favorite is the Astoria Column up on the Columbia: the
column itself is a measly 38 meters, but it was built on the crest of a
hill that's 183 meters above sea level, and the view from the
observation platform is breathtaking. Plus, it's modeled after Trajan's
Column, and the exterior is covered by a ribbon of artwork depicting the
exploration of the Columbia River and the founding of Astoria. It's not
useless, it's educational!
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Monument - Lady Liberty's kinda neat and all, but like the others you
mentioned, her main use is the attraction of tourist dollars. (She's
nowhere near as tall as the St Louis Arch, the Space Needle, or the
Washington Monument, though - even when you throw in the pedestal, the
total height's under a hundred meters.)
According to Wikipedia, the San Jacinto Monument in Houston is "the
world's tallest monumental column," just shy of 173 meters (the
Washington Monument is a little over 169 meters). Figures that Texans
would want to make sure theirs was bigger.
My personal favorite is the Astoria Column up on the Columbia: the
column itself is a measly 38 meters, but it was built on the crest of a
hill that's 183 meters above sea level, and the view from the
observation platform is breathtaking. Plus, it's modeled after Trajan's
Column, and the exterior is covered by a ribbon of artwork depicting the
exploration of the Columbia River and the founding of Astoria. It's not
useless, it's educational!
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Peter Boulding
Dec 31, 2011, 5:18:29 PM12/31/11
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>Do you really think that nothing has value apart from the utilitarian?
He said useless, not pointless.
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>Do you really think that nothing has value apart from the utilitarian?
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Dec 31, 2011, 5:29:08 PM12/31/11
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Sadly untrue: CBS has used him to prevent one of the worst TV shows ever
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Dec 31, 2011, 5:32:59 PM12/31/11
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Mark Steese <mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> Captain Infinity <Infi...@captaininfinity.us> wrote in
> news:642vf75tbq2voi11v...@4ax.com:
>
>> Once Upon A Time,
>> Howart Holay Hail wrote:
>>
>>>Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
>>>like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
>>
>> Ashton Kutcher is 6 feet 3 inches tall. That's not particularly
>> tall, but he is particularly useless.
>
> Sadly untrue: CBS has used him to prevent one of the worst TV shows
> ever made from dying a well-deserved death.
Charles Bishop will be by shortly to reprove you.
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> Captain Infinity <Infi...@captaininfinity.us> wrote in
> news:642vf75tbq2voi11v...@4ax.com:
>
>> Once Upon A Time,
>> Howart Holay Hail wrote:
>>
>>>Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
>>>like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
>>
>> Ashton Kutcher is 6 feet 3 inches tall. That's not particularly
>> tall, but he is particularly useless.
>
> Sadly untrue: CBS has used him to prevent one of the worst TV shows
> ever made from dying a well-deserved death.
Jon M
Dec 31, 2011, 5:51:56 PM12/31/11
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its only real value is esthetic. It's beautiful and distinctive
enough to be part of the city's emblem. The top part provides a
minimal amount of shade to the ice rink/amusement park on the floor
and the rim houses an arcade year round.
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Tim Wright
Dec 31, 2011, 6:09:26 PM12/31/11
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On 12/31/2011 3:41 PM, Howart Holay Hail wrote:
<http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Reunion_Tower_dallas.jpg>
Also the new Margaret Hunt Hill bridge.
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bill van
Dec 31, 2011, 6:13:30 PM12/31/11
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In article <Xns9FCCA9EC4...@94.75.214.39>,
What have you got against profitable tourist attractions? The CN Tower,
which is now owned by the federal government, draws about two million
visitors a year and between its role in broadcasting and extracting
money from tourists, is generally profitable, with about $1.8 million in
net income for fiscal 2011. It employs 550 people and is deemed to be a
destination attraction, drawing tourists who spend money on a lot of
other things while they're in town.
I'd say a building or structure that draws millions of visitors who
spend money in a region is just as "obviously useful" as those NYC
skyscrapers.
bill
which is now owned by the federal government, draws about two million
visitors a year and between its role in broadcasting and extracting
money from tourists, is generally profitable, with about $1.8 million in
net income for fiscal 2011. It employs 550 people and is deemed to be a
destination attraction, drawing tourists who spend money on a lot of
other things while they're in town.
I'd say a building or structure that draws millions of visitors who
spend money in a region is just as "obviously useful" as those NYC
skyscrapers.
bill
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Dec 31, 2011, 6:52:11 PM12/31/11
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 17:14:31 -0500, Captain Infinity
<Infi...@captaininfinity.us> wrote:
>
>>Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
>>like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
>
>Ashton Kutcher is 6 feet 3 inches tall. That's not particularly tall, but
>he is particularly useless.
I wuz gonna say Bill Walton, but...
<Infi...@captaininfinity.us> wrote:
>
>>Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
>>like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
>
>Ashton Kutcher is 6 feet 3 inches tall. That's not particularly tall, but
>he is particularly useless.
Rick B.
Dec 31, 2011, 6:52:41 PM12/31/11
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Howart Holay Hail <howarth...@notmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns9FCCA9EC4...@94.75.214.39:
> Off the top of my head, I can think of several cities with skyline
> dominating essentially useless structures -- Washington has its
> Washington Monument, St. Louis has its Arch, Seattle has its Needle,
> which seems to be not much more than a tall restaurant.
>
> What other cities have done this?
Philadelphia's City Hall (snark snark snark).
news:Xns9FCCA9EC4...@94.75.214.39:
> Off the top of my head, I can think of several cities with skyline
> dominating essentially useless structures -- Washington has its
> Washington Monument, St. Louis has its Arch, Seattle has its Needle,
> which seems to be not much more than a tall restaurant.
>
> What other cities have done this?
Greg Goss
Dec 31, 2011, 7:59:42 PM12/31/11
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Howart Holay Hail <howarth...@notmail.com> wrote:
>Off the top of my head, I can think of several cities with skyline
>dominating essentially useless structures -- Washington has its Washington
>Monument, St. Louis has its Arch, Seattle has its Needle, which seems to be
>not much more than a tall restaurant.
>
>What other cities have done this?
Calgary's tower from the early sixties is apparently a careful fifteen
>Off the top of my head, I can think of several cities with skyline
>dominating essentially useless structures -- Washington has its Washington
>Monument, St. Louis has its Arch, Seattle has its Needle, which seems to be
>not much more than a tall restaurant.
>
>What other cities have done this?
feet taller than some similar tower in Houston. There was a lot of
furor when a hated oil company built the first office tower taller
than the Calgary Tower, but I was leaving just as the announcements
were made. When I returned 25 years later, nobody but me remembered
the hatred. My brother was working in an office not a lot lower than
the tower's top, but not in the PetroCan building. Vancouver's tall
restaurant is extended from the top of a ten story or so retail and
office building, though I think the "retail" has been 3/4 replaced by
a college.
At one time, the tallest building in the British Empire belonged to a
newspaper in Vancouver. It doesn't say so in the histories I've seen,
but I suspect that the lookout in the Sun (originally "World")Tower
could see over the spine of Vancouver's peninsula and report on the
ships waiting for the right tide or wind to cross Lion's Gate.
>NYC's skyscrapers obviously are useful
>even if there's a fair amount of vanity involved in something like the
>Empire State Building.
discussions seemed to reach a consensus that the "useful" height for
buildings on that real estate seems to top out at about 55 stories and
that taller buildings are driven by ego. With that in mind, the WFC
buildings across from the WTC are fifty-ish stories tall.
>My understanding is that Toronto's CN tower serves
>a useful function for broadcasters, but I could be wrong about how
>necessary it really is and whether a smaller tower could serve the same
>purpose.
curvature. With shorter towers, you need fewer of them. Bouncing
signals off of satellites (which was starting when the CN tower was
designed) involves severe lags. I'm not sure if microwave relay
towers are still used, or if it's all been replaced by fiber laid in
the nineties and the first year of the twokays. So it had value when
it was built, but I'm not sure if that value remains.
>Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
>like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
I'd have a bunch more to say, but I've just been called for dinner.
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danny burstein
Dec 31, 2011, 8:40:47 PM12/31/11
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>>Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
>>like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
>Try Dubai.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_the_Redeemer_%28statue%29
>>like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
>Try Dubai.
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Mark Steese
Dec 31, 2011, 8:43:55 PM12/31/11
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Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in
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> Howart Holay Hail <howarth...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Off the top of my head, I can think of several cities with skyline
>>dominating essentially useless structures -- Washington has its
>>Washington Monument, St. Louis has its Arch, Seattle has its Needle,
>>which seems to be not much more than a tall restaurant.
>>
>>What other cities have done this?
>
> Calgary's tower from the early sixties is apparently a careful fifteen
> feet taller than some similar tower in Houston.
Close, but it was San Antonio, not Houston.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_the_Americas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calgary_Tower
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> Howart Holay Hail <howarth...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Off the top of my head, I can think of several cities with skyline
>>dominating essentially useless structures -- Washington has its
>>Washington Monument, St. Louis has its Arch, Seattle has its Needle,
>>which seems to be not much more than a tall restaurant.
>>
>>What other cities have done this?
>
> Calgary's tower from the early sixties is apparently a careful fifteen
> feet taller than some similar tower in Houston.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_the_Americas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calgary_Tower
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BillT...@invalid.com wrote in
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 17:14:31 -0500, Captain Infinity
say I'd ever want to hear him during an actual NBA broadcast
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 17:14:31 -0500, Captain Infinity
>>>Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
>>>like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
>>
>>Ashton Kutcher is 6 feet 3 inches tall. That's not particularly tall,
>>but he is particularly useless.
>
> I wuz gonna say Bill Walton, but...
I've heard he's kind of funny doing Clippers radio broadcasts, but I can't
>>>like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
>>
>>Ashton Kutcher is 6 feet 3 inches tall. That's not particularly tall,
>>but he is particularly useless.
>
> I wuz gonna say Bill Walton, but...
say I'd ever want to hear him during an actual NBA broadcast
Powered Holed Carrot Meal
Jan 1, 2012, 5:35:00 PM1/1/12
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Peter Boulding <pjbn...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk> wrote in
more succint than something like nonutilitarian or some such.
I can't believe I forgot about the Eifel Tower.
>>Do you really think that nothing has value apart from the utilitarian?
>
> He said useless, not pointless.
I'll agree that the term useless is more loaded than most, but it's so much
>
> He said useless, not pointless.
more succint than something like nonutilitarian or some such.
I can't believe I forgot about the Eifel Tower.
Powered Holed Carrot Meal
Jan 1, 2012, 5:34:28 PM1/1/12
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>>> Howart Holay Hail wrote:
>>>
>>>>Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
>>>>like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
>>>
>>> Ashton Kutcher is 6 feet 3 inches tall. That's not particularly
>>> tall, but he is particularly useless.
>>
>> Sadly untrue: CBS has used him to prevent one of the worst TV shows
>> ever made from dying a well-deserved death.
>
> Charles Bishop will be by shortly to reprove you.
I liked the first couple of seasons of That 70s Show, but now I won't
>>>
>>>>Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
>>>>like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
>>>
>>> Ashton Kutcher is 6 feet 3 inches tall. That's not particularly
>>> tall, but he is particularly useless.
>>
>> Sadly untrue: CBS has used him to prevent one of the worst TV shows
>> ever made from dying a well-deserved death.
>
> Charles Bishop will be by shortly to reprove you.
stop if a rerun comes up when I'm flipping channels.
Mary
Jan 1, 2012, 5:44:51 PM1/1/12
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Are you counting statues or just non-building structures?
Mary
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Jan 1, 2012, 5:46:25 PM1/1/12
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On Dec 31 2011, 6:52 pm, BillTurl...@invalid.com wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 17:14:31 -0500, Captain Infinity
>
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 17:14:31 -0500, Captain Infinity
>
> <Infin...@captaininfinity.us> wrote:
>
> >>Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
> >>like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
>
> >Ashton Kutcher is 6 feet 3 inches tall. That's not particularly tall, but
> >he is particularly useless.
>
> I wuz gonna say Bill Walton, but...
Basketball wise, Yinka Dare is more relevant.
>
> >>Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
> >>like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
>
> >Ashton Kutcher is 6 feet 3 inches tall. That's not particularly tall, but
> >he is particularly useless.
>
> I wuz gonna say Bill Walton, but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yinka_Dare
In his first full season (1995–96), in which he played a personal best
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no assists, holding the dubious NBA record for most games played in a
season, 58, without recording an assist. During his four-year career,
he would rack up a total of four assists accompanied by 96 turnovers,
while averaging 2.1 points, 2.6 rebounds, and less than 0.1 assists
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Howart Holay Hail
Jan 1, 2012, 6:29:17 PM1/1/12
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Mary <mrfea...@a0l.com> wrote in
I'm happy to accept statues. The Colossus of Rhodes would obviously fit,
if it hadn't fallen down and gotten turned into commemorative figurines
by Mothomas Al-Kinkaid. For that matter, triumphal arches, columns,
origami or human pyramids would be fine too, anything interesting would
be, um, interesting.
if it hadn't fallen down and gotten turned into commemorative figurines
by Mothomas Al-Kinkaid. For that matter, triumphal arches, columns,
origami or human pyramids would be fine too, anything interesting would
be, um, interesting.
Dover Beach
Jan 1, 2012, 6:52:42 PM1/1/12
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Powered Holed Carrot Meal <howar...@notmail.com> wrote in
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Yeah, that went downhill fast after the first couple of seasons. It
went to stupidly farcical instead of using the characters to drive the
comedy.
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went to stupidly farcical instead of using the characters to drive the
comedy.
Mary
Jan 1, 2012, 6:58:18 PM1/1/12
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of sorts, and the Egyptian ones were funerary containers, weren't they?
Mary
Paul Madarasz
Jan 1, 2012, 7:06:07 PM1/1/12
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:41:49 +0000 (UTC), Howart Holay Hail
<howarth...@notmail.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:
Fountain Hills, AZ. In the middle of the desert, someone thought it
would be a good idea to squirt a fountain of water $BIGNUM feet in the
air. Constantly.
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<howarth...@notmail.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:
would be a good idea to squirt a fountain of water $BIGNUM feet in the
air. Constantly.
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Lee Ayrton
Jan 1, 2012, 8:01:26 PM1/1/12
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On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 17:58:18 -0600, Mary wrote:
>
> Most pyramids were used for something, though. Teotihuacan was a temple
> of sorts, and the Egyptian ones were funerary containers, weren't they?
I was musing about the Egyptian pyramids -- and nuclear waste bunkers --
>
> Most pyramids were used for something, though. Teotihuacan was a temple
> of sorts, and the Egyptian ones were funerary containers, weren't they?
just the other day. 20 centuries on how do we know what was supposed to
keep something out, and what was supposed to keep something in?
Lee "Cue: Tubular Bells" Ayrton
Lee Ayrton
Jan 1, 2012, 8:02:12 PM1/1/12
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Greg Goss
Jan 1, 2012, 8:14:00 PM1/1/12
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Lee Ayrton <lay...@panix.com.nul> wrote:
>I was musing about the Egyptian pyramids -- and nuclear waste bunkers --
>just the other day. 20 centuries on how do we know what was supposed to
>keep something out, and what was supposed to keep something in?
Now you've reminded me of one of my favourite TV ads about TV ads.
>I was musing about the Egyptian pyramids -- and nuclear waste bunkers --
>just the other day. 20 centuries on how do we know what was supposed to
>keep something out, and what was supposed to keep something in?
Wendys in the middle eighties "While our competition perfects ever
more complex methods to keep the hot side hot and the cold side cold,
we make the burger just before we hand it to you."
BillT...@invalid.com
Jan 1, 2012, 8:09:37 PM1/1/12
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BillT...@invalid.com
Jan 1, 2012, 8:14:12 PM1/1/12
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On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 17:09:37 -0800, BillT...@invalid.com wrote:
>
>>I was musing about the Egyptian pyramids -- and nuclear waste bunkers --
>>just the other day. 20 centuries on how do we know what was supposed to
>>keep something out, and what was supposed to keep something in?
>>
>>
>>Lee "Cue: Tubular Bells" Ayrton
>
>Right now I'm reading Benbord's "Artifact".
BENFORD. GREGORY
>
>>I was musing about the Egyptian pyramids -- and nuclear waste bunkers --
>>just the other day. 20 centuries on how do we know what was supposed to
>>keep something out, and what was supposed to keep something in?
>>
>>
>>Lee "Cue: Tubular Bells" Ayrton
>
>Right now I'm reading Benbord's "Artifact".
just my 10th tyop of hte bew year
Jack Campin
Jan 1, 2012, 8:19:38 PM1/1/12
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> Off the top of my head, I can think of several cities with skyline
> dominating essentially useless structures -- Washington has its
> Washington Monument, St. Louis has its Arch, Seattle has its Needle,
> which seems to be not much more than a tall restaurant.
> What other cities have done this?
Cairo, Paris and Rio.
> dominating essentially useless structures -- Washington has its
> Washington Monument, St. Louis has its Arch, Seattle has its Needle,
> which seems to be not much more than a tall restaurant.
> What other cities have done this?
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 22:15:59 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese
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> The Statue of Liberty is New York's equivalent of the Washington
> Monument - Lady Liberty's kinda neat and all, but like the others you
> mentioned, her main use is the attraction of tourist dollars.
And she's actually in New Jersey.
<mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The Statue of Liberty is New York's equivalent of the Washington
> Monument - Lady Liberty's kinda neat and all, but like the others you
> mentioned, her main use is the attraction of tourist dollars.
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like ...
I've caught part of of his commentary, but I'm used to getting my
basketball via radio. He seemed to do a pretty reasonable job in the
bits I caught, but then I also enjoyed Detroit 187 and still patronize
Taco Bell.
But I still think of Bill Walton with flannel shirts or a Blazers
uniform. It is a matter of speculation as to whether his career would
have been longer with another team, but I understand he still hasn't
forgiven that management.
/dps
like ...
basketball via radio. He seemed to do a pretty reasonable job in the
bits I caught, but then I also enjoyed Detroit 187 and still patronize
Taco Bell.
But I still think of Bill Walton with flannel shirts or a Blazers
uniform. It is a matter of speculation as to whether his career would
have been longer with another team, but I understand he still hasn't
forgiven that management.
/dps
Boron Elgar
Jan 2, 2012, 8:16:05 AM1/2/12
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On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 21:27:10 -0800, Mary Shafer
<reunite....@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 22:15:59 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese
><mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> The Statue of Liberty is New York's equivalent of the Washington
>> Monument - Lady Liberty's kinda neat and all, but like the others you
>> mentioned, her main use is the attraction of tourist dollars.
>
>And she's actually in New Jersey.
>
>Mary "Just like the Jets."
And the Giants, too, with both teams playing in Met Life Stadium in
<reunite....@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 22:15:59 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese
><mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> The Statue of Liberty is New York's equivalent of the Washington
>> Monument - Lady Liberty's kinda neat and all, but like the others you
>> mentioned, her main use is the attraction of tourist dollars.
>
>And she's actually in New Jersey.
>
>Mary "Just like the Jets."
the Meadowlands.
The sad NY joke about the SoL, though, is that although she is
technically in our waters, she only shows her ass to NJ.
Boron
Howered Holed Carrot Meal
Jan 2, 2012, 9:30:48 AM1/2/12
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Mary <mrfea...@a0l.com> wrote:
> On 1/1/2012 5:29 PM, Howart Holay Hail wrote:
>> Mary<mrfea...@a0l.com> wrote in
>>
> On 1/1/2012 5:29 PM, Howart Holay Hail wrote:
>> Mary<mrfea...@a0l.com> wrote in
>>
>>> Are you counting statues or just non-building structures?
>>
>> I'm happy to accept statues. The Colossus of Rhodes would obviously
>> fit, if it hadn't fallen down and gotten turned into commemorative
>> figurines by Mothomas Al-Kinkaid. For that matter, triumphal arches,
>> columns, origami or human pyramids would be fine too, anything
>> interesting would be, um, interesting.
>
> Most pyramids were used for something, though. Teotihuacan was a
> temple of sorts, and the Egyptian ones were funerary containers,
> weren't they?
I could have sworn someone had built big time stone or glass replicas of
>>
>> I'm happy to accept statues. The Colossus of Rhodes would obviously
>> fit, if it hadn't fallen down and gotten turned into commemorative
>> figurines by Mothomas Al-Kinkaid. For that matter, triumphal arches,
>> columns, origami or human pyramids would be fine too, anything
>> interesting would be, um, interesting.
>
> Most pyramids were used for something, though. Teotihuacan was a
> temple of sorts, and the Egyptian ones were funerary containers,
> weren't they?
one or more of the great pyramids as a tourist attraction or monument to
civic pride, in the vein of the Nashville Parthenon, but the closest I
can find is this:
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/11213
Paul Madarasz
Jan 2, 2012, 11:51:25 AM1/2/12
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:30:48 +0000 (UTC), Howered Holed Carrot Meal
<howar...@notmail.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>I could have sworn someone had built big time stone or glass replicas of
>one or more of the great pyramids as a tourist attraction or monument to
>civic pride, in the vein of the Nashville Parthenon, but the closest I
>can find is this:
>
>http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/11213
Maybe the Louvre pyramid?
<howar...@notmail.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>I could have sworn someone had built big time stone or glass replicas of
>one or more of the great pyramids as a tourist attraction or monument to
>civic pride, in the vein of the Nashville Parthenon, but the closest I
>can find is this:
>
>http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/11213
David J. Martin
Jan 2, 2012, 12:12:53 PM1/2/12
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On 1/2/2012 10:51 AM, Paul Madarasz wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:30:48 +0000 (UTC), Howered Holed Carrot Meal
> <howar...@notmail.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>
>
>> I could have sworn someone had built big time stone or glass replicas of
>> one or more of the great pyramids as a tourist attraction or monument to
>> civic pride, in the vein of the Nashville Parthenon, but the closest I
>> can find is this:
>>
>> http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/11213
>
> Maybe the Louvre pyramid?
Or the Memphis Bass Pro Shop Pyramid?
> On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:30:48 +0000 (UTC), Howered Holed Carrot Meal
> <howar...@notmail.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>
>
>> I could have sworn someone had built big time stone or glass replicas of
>> one or more of the great pyramids as a tourist attraction or monument to
>> civic pride, in the vein of the Nashville Parthenon, but the closest I
>> can find is this:
>>
>> http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/11213
>
> Maybe the Louvre pyramid?
David
Shawn Wilson
Jan 2, 2012, 12:31:05 PM1/2/12
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On Jan 1, 3:53 pm, "art...@yahoo.com" <art...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> And speaking of basketballhttp://tinyurl.com/7u7ca8e
> And speaking of basketballhttp://tinyurl.com/7u7ca8e
>
> Dennis Rodman is going to coach a woman's basketball team. The players
> in the game will all be topless.
You mean like no hats? I didn't know women still wore hats.
> Dennis Rodman is going to coach a woman's basketball team. The players
> in the game will all be topless.
Les Albert
Jan 2, 2012, 12:52:56 PM1/2/12
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>On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 22:15:59 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese
><mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> The Statue of Liberty is New York's equivalent of the Washington
>> Monument - Lady Liberty's kinda neat and all, but like the others you
>> mentioned, her main use is the attraction of tourist dollars.
>And she's actually in New Jersey.
Actually she is on New York territory.
><mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> The Statue of Liberty is New York's equivalent of the Washington
>> Monument - Lady Liberty's kinda neat and all, but like the others you
>> mentioned, her main use is the attraction of tourist dollars.
>And she's actually in New Jersey.
"The Statue of Liberty is on Liberty Island, federal property
administered by the National Park Service, located within the
territorial jurisdiction of the State of New York. A pact between New
York and New Jersey, ratified by Congress in 1834, declared this
issue." - http://www.nps.gov/stli/faqs.htm
See also:
"The statue is situated in Upper New York Bay on Liberty Island, south
of Ellis Island. Both islands were ceded by New York to the federal
government in 1800. As agreed in an 1834 compact between New York and
New Jersey that set the state border at the bay's midpoint, the
original islands remain New York territory despite their location on
the New Jersey side of the state line. Land created by reclamation at
Ellis is New Jersey territory." -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty#Location_and_visiting
If the Statue of Liberty were in New Jersey then she would have been
mugged a long time ago.
Les
Mark Steese
Jan 2, 2012, 12:53:11 PM1/2/12
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Dover Beach <moon.b...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns9FCDABB071C...@130.133.4.11:
Never watched it, myself. Kutcher is one of a handful of people whose
mere existence makes me irrationally angry
--
Year after year you wrote up these stories, and they'd wind up archived
in a pile of cardboard boxes in the warehouse, flattening and drying
like pressed flowers under the weight of all the stories above them -
the unknown stratigraphy of your career. -Jordan Fisher Smith
news:Xns9FCDABB071C...@130.133.4.11:
mere existence makes me irrationally angry
--
Year after year you wrote up these stories, and they'd wind up archived
in a pile of cardboard boxes in the warehouse, flattening and drying
like pressed flowers under the weight of all the stories above them -
the unknown stratigraphy of your career. -Jordan Fisher Smith
Kevin
Jan 2, 2012, 1:05:24 PM1/2/12
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 17:53:11 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese
<mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Dover Beach <moon.b...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:Xns9FCDABB071C...@130.133.4.11:
>
>> Powered Holed Carrot Meal <howar...@notmail.com> wrote in
>> news:Xns9FCDB2C9F8E11ho...@94.75.214.39:
>>
>>> Dover Beach <moon.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mark Steese <mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>
>>>>> Captain Infinity <Infi...@captaininfinity.us> wrote in
>>>>>
>>>>>> Howart Holay Hail wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
>>>>>>>like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashton Kutcher is 6 feet 3 inches tall. That's not particularly
>>>>>> tall, but he is particularly useless.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sadly untrue: CBS has used him to prevent one of the worst TV shows
>>>>> ever made from dying a well-deserved death.
>>>>
>>>> Charles Bishop will be by shortly to reprove you.
>>>
>>> I liked the first couple of seasons of That 70s Show, but now I won't
>>> stop if a rerun comes up when I'm flipping channels.
>>
>> Yeah, that went downhill fast after the first couple of seasons. It
>> went to stupidly farcical instead of using the characters to drive the
>> comedy.
>
>Never watched it, myself. Kutcher is one of a handful of people whose
>mere existence makes me irrationally angry
Middle aged women have for ages been testy about younger women who use
<mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Dover Beach <moon.b...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:Xns9FCDABB071C...@130.133.4.11:
>
>> Powered Holed Carrot Meal <howar...@notmail.com> wrote in
>> news:Xns9FCDB2C9F8E11ho...@94.75.214.39:
>>
>>> Dover Beach <moon.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mark Steese <mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>
>>>>> Captain Infinity <Infi...@captaininfinity.us> wrote in
>>>>>
>>>>>> Howart Holay Hail wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
>>>>>>>like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashton Kutcher is 6 feet 3 inches tall. That's not particularly
>>>>>> tall, but he is particularly useless.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sadly untrue: CBS has used him to prevent one of the worst TV shows
>>>>> ever made from dying a well-deserved death.
>>>>
>>>> Charles Bishop will be by shortly to reprove you.
>>>
>>> I liked the first couple of seasons of That 70s Show, but now I won't
>>> stop if a rerun comes up when I'm flipping channels.
>>
>> Yeah, that went downhill fast after the first couple of seasons. It
>> went to stupidly farcical instead of using the characters to drive the
>> comedy.
>
>Never watched it, myself. Kutcher is one of a handful of people whose
>mere existence makes me irrationally angry
up the perceived top tier of middle aged men. If all the polarities
reverse without crashing the system you could expect middle aged men
to become unhappy about younger men who use up the hottest and richest
middle aged women, even if in all those cases the unhappy contingent
doesn't really have much of a realistic shot of dating Jack Nicholson
or Demi Moore.
--
Kevin
Mark Steese
Jan 2, 2012, 1:29:23 PM1/2/12
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Kevin <K_S_O...@yh.com> wrote in
news:95s3g7hlbms6tj6d6...@4ax.com:
I was under the impression the testiness was directed at wealthy and/or
famous middle-aged men who pathetically try to cling to an illusion of
youthfulness by using their wealth and/or fame to attract younger women.
> If all the polarities reverse without crashing the system you could
> expect middle aged men to become unhappy about younger men who use up
> the hottest and richest middle aged women, even if in all those cases
> the unhappy contingent doesn't really have much of a realistic shot of
> dating Jack Nicholson or Demi Moore.
Oh, I hated Kutcher long before he married Demi Moore. And while I
concede that Demi Moore is hotter than Jack Nicholson, I wouldn't wanna
date her.
--
There can be no doubt that the public--both in and out of the
courtroom--was as titillated by the mention of voodoo as they were by
the presence of Sharon's socks and undershirt. -Lynn Hudson
news:95s3g7hlbms6tj6d6...@4ax.com:
famous middle-aged men who pathetically try to cling to an illusion of
youthfulness by using their wealth and/or fame to attract younger women.
> If all the polarities reverse without crashing the system you could
> expect middle aged men to become unhappy about younger men who use up
> the hottest and richest middle aged women, even if in all those cases
> the unhappy contingent doesn't really have much of a realistic shot of
> dating Jack Nicholson or Demi Moore.
concede that Demi Moore is hotter than Jack Nicholson, I wouldn't wanna
date her.
--
There can be no doubt that the public--both in and out of the
courtroom--was as titillated by the mention of voodoo as they were by
the presence of Sharon's socks and undershirt. -Lynn Hudson
Mary
Jan 2, 2012, 1:52:11 PM1/2/12
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Demi Moore? Ugh.
Mary
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art...@yahoo.com
Jan 2, 2012, 2:42:20 PM1/2/12
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BillT...@invalid.com
Jan 2, 2012, 3:13:46 PM1/2/12
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>Never watched it, myself. Kutcher is one of a handful of people whose
>mere existence makes me irrationally angry
>--
Mucho leroy, having watched it.
>mere existence makes me irrationally angry
>--
BillT...@invalid.com
Jan 2, 2012, 3:16:59 PM1/2/12
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:30:48 +0000 (UTC), Howered Holed Carrot Meal
<howar...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>I could have sworn someone had built big time stone or glass replicas of
>one or more of the great pyramids as a tourist attraction or monument to
>civic pride, in the vein of the Nashville Parthenon, but the closest I
>can find is this:
>
>http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/11213
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxor_Las_Vegas
<howar...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>I could have sworn someone had built big time stone or glass replicas of
>one or more of the great pyramids as a tourist attraction or monument to
>civic pride, in the vein of the Nashville Parthenon, but the closest I
>can find is this:
>
>http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/11213
Greg Goss
Jan 2, 2012, 3:42:20 PM1/2/12
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>I could have sworn someone had built big time stone or glass replicas of
>one or more of the great pyramids as a tourist attraction or monument to
>civic pride, in the vein of the Nashville Parthenon, but the closest I
>can find is this:
>
>http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/11213
Are you thinking of the Vegas "Luxor" hotel? (The real Luxor is a
>one or more of the great pyramids as a tourist attraction or monument to
>civic pride, in the vein of the Nashville Parthenon, but the closest I
>can find is this:
>
>http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/11213
very long distance away from the original pyramids.) The third
largest hotel in the world (does Wikipedia count that never-finished
Korean abomination?) would count as "big time glass". I think it was
about 3/4 scale to the original.
Kevin
Jan 2, 2012, 4:06:02 PM1/2/12
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 18:29:23 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese
The two resentments of this sort I've noticed are older women
resenting younger women taking up many of the 'good' older men, and
black women resenting white women for taking up many of the 'good'
black men. In both cases the resentment is superficially aimed at the
men, but the deeper anger is at the other women. I suppose it's hard
to get angry at someone you at the same time sort of holding up as a
possible target of romantic interest.
>
>> If all the polarities reverse without crashing the system you could
>> expect middle aged men to become unhappy about younger men who use up
>> the hottest and richest middle aged women, even if in all those cases
>> the unhappy contingent doesn't really have much of a realistic shot of
>> dating Jack Nicholson or Demi Moore.
>
>Oh, I hated Kutcher long before he married Demi Moore.
Ah. Well, carry on then.
>And while I
>concede that Demi Moore is hotter than Jack Nicholson, I wouldn't wanna
>date her.
Of course you wouldn't.
--
Kevin
resenting younger women taking up many of the 'good' older men, and
black women resenting white women for taking up many of the 'good'
black men. In both cases the resentment is superficially aimed at the
men, but the deeper anger is at the other women. I suppose it's hard
to get angry at someone you at the same time sort of holding up as a
possible target of romantic interest.
>
>> If all the polarities reverse without crashing the system you could
>> expect middle aged men to become unhappy about younger men who use up
>> the hottest and richest middle aged women, even if in all those cases
>> the unhappy contingent doesn't really have much of a realistic shot of
>> dating Jack Nicholson or Demi Moore.
>
>Oh, I hated Kutcher long before he married Demi Moore.
>And while I
>concede that Demi Moore is hotter than Jack Nicholson, I wouldn't wanna
>date her.
--
Kevin
Kevin
Jan 2, 2012, 4:06:49 PM1/2/12
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known for dating or marrying younger people?
Hactar
Jan 2, 2012, 3:35:00 PM1/2/12
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In article <jdsoim$shb$1...@news.tamu.edu>,
Or the Luxor in LV?
--
-eben QebWe...@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81
When we've nuked the world to a cinder, the cockroaches picking
over the remains will be crawling over the remaining artifacts
and wondering what "PC LOAD LETTER" means. -- PC / ASR
--
-eben QebWe...@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81
When we've nuked the world to a cinder, the cockroaches picking
over the remains will be crawling over the remaining artifacts
and wondering what "PC LOAD LETTER" means. -- PC / ASR
Greg Goss
Jan 2, 2012, 4:22:52 PM1/2/12
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Kevin <K_S_O...@yh.com> wrote:
>>You had me right up until you named your examples. Jack Nicholson and
>>Demi Moore? Ugh.
>
>Are there better examples of successful older people who are widely
>known for dating or marrying younger people?
OJ? He was "successful" until the youngster marriage broke up.
>>You had me right up until you named your examples. Jack Nicholson and
>>Demi Moore? Ugh.
>
>Are there better examples of successful older people who are widely
>known for dating or marrying younger people?
Mary
Jan 2, 2012, 4:27:17 PM1/2/12
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Bleh. Um, there's Michael Douglas. Warren Beatty.
Not sure they're all that much better than Jack Nicholson....
Mary
Peter Boulding
Jan 2, 2012, 5:09:09 PM1/2/12
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 15:06:49 -0600, Kevin <K_S_O...@yh.com> wrote in
<0274g79d9htb2r3b4...@4ax.com>:
>Are there better examples of successful older people who are widely
>known for dating or marrying younger people?
Henry.
Rupert.
Newt.
J. Howard.
--
Regards, Peter Boulding
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Fractal Images and Music: http://www.pboulding.co.uk/
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<0274g79d9htb2r3b4...@4ax.com>:
>Are there better examples of successful older people who are widely
>known for dating or marrying younger people?
Rupert.
Newt.
J. Howard.
--
Regards, Peter Boulding
pjbn...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk (to e-mail, remove "UNSPAM")
Fractal Images and Music: http://www.pboulding.co.uk/
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Mary
Jan 2, 2012, 5:11:47 PM1/2/12
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On 1/2/2012 4:09 PM, Peter Boulding wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 15:06:49 -0600, Kevin<K_S_O...@yh.com> wrote in
> <0274g79d9htb2r3b4...@4ax.com>:
>
>> Are there better examples of successful older people who are widely
>> known for dating or marrying younger people?
>
> Henry.
>
> Rupert.
>
> Newt.
>
> J. Howard.
>
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
> On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 15:06:49 -0600, Kevin<K_S_O...@yh.com> wrote in
> <0274g79d9htb2r3b4...@4ax.com>:
>
>> Are there better examples of successful older people who are widely
>> known for dating or marrying younger people?
>
> Henry.
>
> Rupert.
>
> Newt.
>
> J. Howard.
>
If Rupert and Newt are in the category, I want out.
Mary
luckily my husband and I are only two years apart.
art...@yahoo.com
Jan 2, 2012, 5:15:29 PM1/2/12
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On Jan 2, 4:06 pm, Kevin <K_S_ONe...@yh.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Dover Beach<moon.blanc...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>>news:Xns9FCDABB071C...@130.133.4.11:
>
> >>>> Powered Holed Carrot Meal<howardg...@notmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>news:Xns9FCDB2C9F8E11ho...@94.75.214.39:
>
> >>>>> Dover Beach<moon.blanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Mark Steese<mark_ste...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>
> >>>>>>> Captain Infinity<Infin...@captaininfinity.us> wrote in
Osama Bin Laden?
> On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:52:11 -0600, Mary <mrfeath...@a0l.com> wrote:
> >On 1/2/2012 12:05 PM, Kevin wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 17:53:11 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese
> >> <mark_ste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On 1/2/2012 12:05 PM, Kevin wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 17:53:11 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese
>
> >>> Dover Beach<moon.blanc...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>>news:Xns9FCDABB071C...@130.133.4.11:
>
> >>>> Powered Holed Carrot Meal<howardg...@notmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>news:Xns9FCDB2C9F8E11ho...@94.75.214.39:
>
> >>>>> Dover Beach<moon.blanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Mark Steese<mark_ste...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>
> >>>>>>> Captain Infinity<Infin...@captaininfinity.us> wrote in
Rick B.
Jan 2, 2012, 5:39:18 PM1/2/12
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Kevin <K_S_O...@yh.com> wrote in news:0274g79d9htb2r3b4k912qrvvs8tdr1vov@
4ax.com:
William O. Douglas
Tony Randall
4ax.com:
Tony Randall
Mark Steese
Jan 2, 2012, 5:39:53 PM1/2/12
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Mary <mrfea...@a0l.com> wrote in
news:5O6dnb5ynKo5tp_S...@mchsi.com:
> On 1/2/2012 4:09 PM, Peter Boulding wrote:
>> On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 15:06:49 -0600, Kevin<K_S_O...@yh.com> wrote in
>> <0274g79d9htb2r3b4...@4ax.com>:
>>
>>> Are there better examples of successful older people who are widely
>>> known for dating or marrying younger people?
>>
>> Henry.
>>
>> Rupert.
>>
>> Newt.
>>
>> J. Howard.
>
> AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
>
> If Rupert and Newt are in the category, I want out.
And Peter didn't even get around to The Donald yet! (Married three times so
far, each time to a younger woman: he was born in 1946, and Ivana and he
were born a mere three years apart: Marla Maples was born in 1963, and
Melania Knauss is 24 years his junior. You may now shudder uncontrollably.)
--
At the World's Columbian Exposition of 1893, a very curious figure stood in
the California State Building: a medieval knight in armor, mounted on a
horse, composed entirely of prunes. -Douglas Sackman
news:5O6dnb5ynKo5tp_S...@mchsi.com:
> On 1/2/2012 4:09 PM, Peter Boulding wrote:
>> On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 15:06:49 -0600, Kevin<K_S_O...@yh.com> wrote in
>> <0274g79d9htb2r3b4...@4ax.com>:
>>
>>> Are there better examples of successful older people who are widely
>>> known for dating or marrying younger people?
>>
>> Henry.
>>
>> Rupert.
>>
>> Newt.
>>
>> J. Howard.
>
> AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
>
> If Rupert and Newt are in the category, I want out.
far, each time to a younger woman: he was born in 1946, and Ivana and he
were born a mere three years apart: Marla Maples was born in 1963, and
Melania Knauss is 24 years his junior. You may now shudder uncontrollably.)
--
At the World's Columbian Exposition of 1893, a very curious figure stood in
the California State Building: a medieval knight in armor, mounted on a
horse, composed entirely of prunes. -Douglas Sackman
Greg Goss
Jan 2, 2012, 5:46:43 PM1/2/12
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Mary <mrfea...@a0l.com> wrote:
>On 1/2/2012 4:09 PM, Peter Boulding wrote:
>> On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 15:06:49 -0600, Kevin<K_S_O...@yh.com> wrote in
>> <0274g79d9htb2r3b4...@4ax.com>:
>>
>>> Are there better examples of successful older people who are widely
>>> known for dating or marrying younger people?
>>
>> Henry.
>>
>> Rupert.
>>
>> Newt.
>>
>> J. Howard.
>
>
>On 1/2/2012 4:09 PM, Peter Boulding wrote:
>> On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 15:06:49 -0600, Kevin<K_S_O...@yh.com> wrote in
>> <0274g79d9htb2r3b4...@4ax.com>:
>>
>>> Are there better examples of successful older people who are widely
>>> known for dating or marrying younger people?
>>
>> Henry.
>>
>> Rupert.
>>
>> Newt.
>>
>> J. Howard.
>
>
>If Rupert and Newt are in the category, I want out.
>
>Mary
>luckily my husband and I are only two years apart.
I was twelve years older than my first wife. (my first marriage and
>
>Mary
>luckily my husband and I are only two years apart.
her second. Gosses tend to marry late.)
In the first cancer round, the "outpatient care" at Vancouver General
was called "Day Care". I used to joke at the office that I had to
leave early to "pick up my wife from daycare."
One of the introductions to the residents of AFCA once said that
"Greg's proud that his car is older than his wife", a bit of an
exageration since she was 27 and the car was only 17.
Greg Goss
Jan 2, 2012, 5:47:35 PM1/2/12
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Mark Steese <mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> If Rupert and Newt are in the category, I want out.
>
>And Peter didn't even get around to The Donald yet! (Married three times so
>far, each time to a younger woman: he was born in 1946, and Ivana and he
>were born a mere three years apart: Marla Maples was born in 1963, and
>Melania Knauss is 24 years his junior. You may now shudder uncontrollably.)
Each of them were adults. I assume that Mel is getting what she
>> If Rupert and Newt are in the category, I want out.
>
>And Peter didn't even get around to The Donald yet! (Married three times so
>far, each time to a younger woman: he was born in 1946, and Ivana and he
>were born a mere three years apart: Marla Maples was born in 1963, and
>Melania Knauss is 24 years his junior. You may now shudder uncontrollably.)
expected.
Mark Steese
Jan 2, 2012, 5:48:30 PM1/2/12
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Kevin <K_S_O...@yh.com> wrote in
news:hr64g7t33rj5es7vd...@4ax.com:
Sure, Kreskin.
> I suppose it's hard to get angry at someone you at the same time sort
> of holding up as a possible target of romantic interest.
Do you really think there are a lot of women of *any* age who fantasize
about getting it on with Jack Nicholson?
>>> If all the polarities reverse without crashing the system you could
>>> expect middle aged men to become unhappy about younger men who use
>>> up the hottest and richest middle aged women, even if in all those
>>> cases the unhappy contingent doesn't really have much of a realistic
>>> shot of dating Jack Nicholson or Demi Moore.
>>
>>Oh, I hated Kutcher long before he married Demi Moore.
>
> Ah. Well, carry on then.
>
>>And while I concede that Demi Moore is hotter than Jack Nicholson, I
>>wouldn't wanna date her.
>
> Of course you wouldn't.
I mislike your tone, young man, but not as much as I mislike Demi Moore.
Now, if both Helen Mirren and I were free agents, that'd be another
story entirely.
news:hr64g7t33rj5es7vd...@4ax.com:
> I suppose it's hard to get angry at someone you at the same time sort
> of holding up as a possible target of romantic interest.
about getting it on with Jack Nicholson?
>>> If all the polarities reverse without crashing the system you could
>>> expect middle aged men to become unhappy about younger men who use
>>> up the hottest and richest middle aged women, even if in all those
>>> cases the unhappy contingent doesn't really have much of a realistic
>>> shot of dating Jack Nicholson or Demi Moore.
>>
>>Oh, I hated Kutcher long before he married Demi Moore.
>
> Ah. Well, carry on then.
>
>>And while I concede that Demi Moore is hotter than Jack Nicholson, I
>>wouldn't wanna date her.
>
> Of course you wouldn't.
Now, if both Helen Mirren and I were free agents, that'd be another
story entirely.
Mary
Jan 2, 2012, 6:17:57 PM1/2/12
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On 1/2/2012 4:47 PM, Greg Goss wrote:
> Mark Steese<mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> If Rupert and Newt are in the category, I want out.
>>
>> And Peter didn't even get around to The Donald yet! (Married three times so
>> far, each time to a younger woman: he was born in 1946, and Ivana and he
>> were born a mere three years apart: Marla Maples was born in 1963, and
>> Melania Knauss is 24 years his junior. You may now shudder uncontrollably.)
>
> Each of them were adults. I assume that Mel is getting what she
> expected.
Sure, but that's not the point. The point is that the Donald is a
> Mark Steese<mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> If Rupert and Newt are in the category, I want out.
>>
>> And Peter didn't even get around to The Donald yet! (Married three times so
>> far, each time to a younger woman: he was born in 1946, and Ivana and he
>> were born a mere three years apart: Marla Maples was born in 1963, and
>> Melania Knauss is 24 years his junior. You may now shudder uncontrollably.)
>
> Each of them were adults. I assume that Mel is getting what she
> expected.
repellent asshole who, if he were poor, would never have had a chance
with any of them.
Mary
Greg Goss
Jan 2, 2012, 6:22:30 PM1/2/12
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Mary <mrfea...@a0l.com> wrote:
>Sure, but that's not the point. The point is that the Donald is a
>repellent asshole who, if he were poor, would never have had a chance
>with any of them.
Donald's a nobody. If his money makes her happy, then shrug. His
>Sure, but that's not the point. The point is that the Donald is a
>repellent asshole who, if he were poor, would never have had a chance
>with any of them.
failure to make much of a mark on the politics I follow last year was
the only real impact he's had on my perception for years.
Now that I've got someone to live with, I have no real passion for or
against men who take more than their share. Half a decade ago, I
liked the idea of gay guys because they were taking less than their
share of women.
I'll save my share of anger for the repellent assholes who intimidate
or damage their wives.
BillT...@invalid.com
Jan 2, 2012, 7:38:36 PM1/2/12
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:39:53 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese
<mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> If Rupert and Newt are in the category, I want out.
>
>And Peter didn't even get around to The Donald yet! (Married three times so
>far, each time to a younger woman: he was born in 1946, and Ivana and he
>were born a mere three years apart: Marla Maples was born in 1963, and
>Melania Knauss is 24 years his junior. You may now shudder uncontrollably.)
Doing so now.
<mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> If Rupert and Newt are in the category, I want out.
>
>And Peter didn't even get around to The Donald yet! (Married three times so
>far, each time to a younger woman: he was born in 1946, and Ivana and he
>were born a mere three years apart: Marla Maples was born in 1963, and
>Melania Knauss is 24 years his junior. You may now shudder uncontrollably.)
Les Albert
Jan 2, 2012, 7:58:28 PM1/2/12
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 16:22:30 -0700, Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
> ....
It's difficult to understand that because you couldn't find someone to
live with that you thought it was the fault of men who take more than
their share of women. Were you competing with men who had more money,
or were better looking, or both?
Les
> ....
>Now that I've got someone to live with, I have no real passion for or
>against men who take more than their share. Half a decade ago, I
>liked the idea of gay guys because they were taking less than their
>share of women.
> .....
>against men who take more than their share. Half a decade ago, I
>liked the idea of gay guys because they were taking less than their
>share of women.
It's difficult to understand that because you couldn't find someone to
live with that you thought it was the fault of men who take more than
their share of women. Were you competing with men who had more money,
or were better looking, or both?
Les
Hactar
Jan 2, 2012, 7:46:40 PM1/2/12
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In article <0274g79d9htb2r3b4...@4ax.com>,
Sean Connery, but I don't know if his on-screen romances extend to real
life.
This message was created using recycled electrons.
life.
This message was created using recycled electrons.
Greg Goss
Jan 2, 2012, 8:18:45 PM1/2/12
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availability. (grin)
Les Albert
Jan 2, 2012, 8:21:49 PM1/2/12
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Les
rwalker
Jan 2, 2012, 9:22:58 PM1/2/12
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On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 01:40:47 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
<dan...@panix.com> wrote:
>>>Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
>>>like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
>
>>Try Dubai.
<dan...@panix.com> wrote:
>>>Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
>>>like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
>
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_the_Redeemer_%28statue%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_Temple_Buddha
Jeff Lanam
Jan 2, 2012, 9:52:37 PM1/2/12
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On 12/31/2011 1:41 PM, Howart Holay Hail wrote:
> Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
> like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
Coit Tower in San Francisco. It isn't really tall, only 64m, but as
> Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
> like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
it's on top of a hill, is an iconic landmark.
Indianapolis has the Soldiers' and Sailors' Monument in the middle of
downtown. It's 87m, which isn't much now, but was when it was built in
1901.
Snidely
Jan 2, 2012, 10:33:13 PM1/2/12
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Mary <mrfea...@a0l.com> scribbled something like ...
> Not sure they're all that much better than Jack Nicholson....
In the immortal words of Uncle Cecil,
"A legendary self-publicist, Franklin liked to give the impression he was a
great womanizer, but he was in his 70s and troubled by gout while serving
as an envoy to France, alleged scene of his most celebrated conquests.
While he was charming and popular with the ladies, and it's not beyond
belief that he got physical with a few of them (if women find Jack
Nicholson sexy, anything's possible), there's little evidence of any
Casanova-like proclivities."
/dps
> Not sure they're all that much better than Jack Nicholson....
"A legendary self-publicist, Franklin liked to give the impression he was a
great womanizer, but he was in his 70s and troubled by gout while serving
as an envoy to France, alleged scene of his most celebrated conquests.
While he was charming and popular with the ladies, and it's not beyond
belief that he got physical with a few of them (if women find Jack
Nicholson sexy, anything's possible), there's little evidence of any
Casanova-like proclivities."
/dps
Mark Steese
Jan 2, 2012, 10:51:28 PM1/2/12
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Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in
news:9meqg6...@mid.individual.net:
> Mark Steese <mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> If Rupert and Newt are in the category, I want out.
>>
>>And Peter didn't even get around to The Donald yet! (Married three
>>times so far, each time to a younger woman: he was born in 1946, and
>>Ivana and he were born a mere three years apart: Marla Maples was born
>>in 1963, and Melania Knauss is 24 years his junior. You may now
>>shudder uncontrollably.)
>
> Each of them were adults. I assume that Mel is getting what she
> expected.
So did Marlowe's Doctor Faustus, but one may still shudder at his fate.
--
The proud flag went up, hoisted on a staff in the center of the old Sonoma
Plaza. The crowds of Mexicans greeted it with laughter and derision, taking
the rather corpulent bear for a pig. -Lambert Florin
news:9meqg6...@mid.individual.net:
> Mark Steese <mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> If Rupert and Newt are in the category, I want out.
>>
>>And Peter didn't even get around to The Donald yet! (Married three
>>times so far, each time to a younger woman: he was born in 1946, and
>>Ivana and he were born a mere three years apart: Marla Maples was born
>>in 1963, and Melania Knauss is 24 years his junior. You may now
>>shudder uncontrollably.)
>
> Each of them were adults. I assume that Mel is getting what she
> expected.
--
The proud flag went up, hoisted on a staff in the center of the old Sonoma
Plaza. The crowds of Mexicans greeted it with laughter and derision, taking
the rather corpulent bear for a pig. -Lambert Florin
Bill Kinkaid
Jan 2, 2012, 10:59:32 PM1/2/12
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In article <4ab3g71t7ftgcmgdd...@4ax.com>,
boron...@hootmail.com says...
>
> On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 21:27:10 -0800, Mary Shafer
> <reunite....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 22:15:59 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese
> ><mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The Statue of Liberty is New York's equivalent of the Washington
> >> Monument - Lady Liberty's kinda neat and all, but like the others you
> >> mentioned, her main use is the attraction of tourist dollars.
> >
> >And she's actually in New Jersey.
> >
> >Mary "Just like the Jets."
>
> And the Giants, too, with both teams playing in Met Life Stadium in
> the Meadowlands.
>
> The sad NY joke about the SoL, though, is that although she is
> technically in our waters, she only shows her ass to NJ.
>
> Boron
Which brings us to Mount Rushmore from the Canadian side:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=226000714124766
&set=a.186656484725856.47538.100001445161437&type=1&theater
(Please don't post to spoil the joke by pointing out that North Dakota
and over half of South Dakota is in between.)
--
Bill in Vancouver
https://picasaweb.google.com/BillKinkaid
boron...@hootmail.com says...
>
> On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 21:27:10 -0800, Mary Shafer
> <reunite....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 22:15:59 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese
> ><mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The Statue of Liberty is New York's equivalent of the Washington
> >> Monument - Lady Liberty's kinda neat and all, but like the others you
> >> mentioned, her main use is the attraction of tourist dollars.
> >
> >And she's actually in New Jersey.
> >
> >Mary "Just like the Jets."
>
> And the Giants, too, with both teams playing in Met Life Stadium in
> the Meadowlands.
>
> The sad NY joke about the SoL, though, is that although she is
> technically in our waters, she only shows her ass to NJ.
>
> Boron
Which brings us to Mount Rushmore from the Canadian side:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=226000714124766
&set=a.186656484725856.47538.100001445161437&type=1&theater
(Please don't post to spoil the joke by pointing out that North Dakota
and over half of South Dakota is in between.)
--
Bill in Vancouver
https://picasaweb.google.com/BillKinkaid
Mary
Jan 2, 2012, 11:12:22 PM1/2/12
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Mary
D.F. Manno
Jan 2, 2012, 11:29:51 PM1/2/12
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In article <Xns9FCCA9EC4...@94.75.214.39>,
--
D.F. Manno | dfm...@mail.com
I am a kind of paranoiac in reverse. I suspect people of plotting to make
me happy. (J.D. Salinger)
Howart Holay Hail <howarth...@notmail.com> wrote:
> Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
> like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
The Bank of America Tower.
> Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
> like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
--
D.F. Manno | dfm...@mail.com
I am a kind of paranoiac in reverse. I suspect people of plotting to make
me happy. (J.D. Salinger)
D.F. Manno
Jan 2, 2012, 11:41:05 PM1/2/12
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In article
<a874528e-499e-49de...@f1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
"art...@yahoo.com" <art...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yinka_Dare
> In his first full season (199596), in which he played a personal best
> 58 out of 82 games, he turned the ball over 72 times while registering
> no assists, holding the dubious NBA record for most games played in a
> season, 58, without recording an assist. During his four-year career,
> he would rack up a total of four assists accompanied by 96 turnovers,
> while averaging 2.1 points, 2.6 rebounds, and less than 0.1 assists
> per game.
You can't pass the rock if you can't hold on to it.
<a874528e-499e-49de...@f1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
"art...@yahoo.com" <art...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yinka_Dare
> In his first full season (199596), in which he played a personal best
> 58 out of 82 games, he turned the ball over 72 times while registering
> no assists, holding the dubious NBA record for most games played in a
> season, 58, without recording an assist. During his four-year career,
> he would rack up a total of four assists accompanied by 96 turnovers,
> while averaging 2.1 points, 2.6 rebounds, and less than 0.1 assists
> per game.
You can't pass the rock if you can't hold on to it.
Peter Boulding
Jan 2, 2012, 11:55:02 PM1/2/12
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 16:11:47 -0600, Mary <mrfea...@a0l.com> wrote in
<5O6dnb5ynKo5tp_S...@mchsi.com>:
>On 1/2/2012 4:09 PM, Peter Boulding wrote:
>> On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 15:06:49 -0600, Kevin<K_S_O...@yh.com> wrote in
>> <0274g79d9htb2r3b4...@4ax.com>:
>>
>>> Are there better examples of successful older people who are widely
>>> known for dating or marrying younger people?
>> Henry.
>>
>> Rupert.
>>
>> Newt.
>>
>> J. Howard.
>AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
>
>If Rupert and Newt are in the category, I want out.
Irrelevant aside:
"Can't resist this tweet, but all Iowans think about Rick Santorum. Only
candidate with genuine big vision for country."
- Rupert Murdoch
"I don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them other
people's money."
- Rick Santorum, explaining his desire to reform welfare out of existence
<5O6dnb5ynKo5tp_S...@mchsi.com>:
>On 1/2/2012 4:09 PM, Peter Boulding wrote:
>> On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 15:06:49 -0600, Kevin<K_S_O...@yh.com> wrote in
>> <0274g79d9htb2r3b4...@4ax.com>:
>>
>>> Are there better examples of successful older people who are widely
>>> known for dating or marrying younger people?
>> Henry.
>>
>> Rupert.
>>
>> Newt.
>>
>> J. Howard.
>AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
>
>If Rupert and Newt are in the category, I want out.
"Can't resist this tweet, but all Iowans think about Rick Santorum. Only
candidate with genuine big vision for country."
- Rupert Murdoch
"I don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them other
people's money."
- Rick Santorum, explaining his desire to reform welfare out of existence
Jared
Jan 3, 2012, 1:18:53 AM1/3/12
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--
Jared
The flail of God, implacable as the thunderstorm; upon whose boots dries the blood of his foes.
Jan 3, 2012, 5:14:57 AM1/3/12
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course they are. Dating, marriage, and sex all correspond quite
predictably to markets, as:
http://www.hookingupsmart.com/best-of-hus/
> (un-grin).
I really hate it when he does that.
The flail of God, implacable as the thunderstorm; upon whose boots dries the blood of his foes.
Jan 3, 2012, 5:17:16 AM1/3/12
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On Jan 2, 10:51 pm, Mark Steese <mark_ste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote innews:9meqg6...@mid.individual.net:
many of your husbands, and of course he has a lot of money.
> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote innews:9meqg6...@mid.individual.net:
>
> > Mark Steese <mark_ste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> If Rupert and Newt are in the category, I want out.
>
> >>And Peter didn't even get around to The Donald yet! (Married three
> >>times so far, each time to a younger woman: he was born in 1946, and
> >>Ivana and he were born a mere three years apart: Marla Maples was born
> >>in 1963, and Melania Knauss is 24 years his junior. You may now
> >>shudder uncontrollably.)
>
> > Each of them were adults. I assume that Mel is getting what she
> > expected.
>
> So did Marlowe's Doctor Faustus, but one may still shudder at his fate.
Donald Trump is likely no more loathsome, naked or not, than Goss or
> > Mark Steese <mark_ste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> If Rupert and Newt are in the category, I want out.
>
> >>And Peter didn't even get around to The Donald yet! (Married three
> >>times so far, each time to a younger woman: he was born in 1946, and
> >>Ivana and he were born a mere three years apart: Marla Maples was born
> >>in 1963, and Melania Knauss is 24 years his junior. You may now
> >>shudder uncontrollably.)
>
> > Each of them were adults. I assume that Mel is getting what she
> > expected.
>
> So did Marlowe's Doctor Faustus, but one may still shudder at his fate.
many of your husbands, and of course he has a lot of money.
Peter Boulding
Jan 3, 2012, 5:17:16 AM1/3/12
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On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 01:18:53 -0500, Jared <jare...@gmail.com> wrote in
<jdu6kb$5um$2...@speranza.aioe.org>:
>On 1/2/2012 5:11 PM, Mary wrote:
>> On 1/2/2012 4:09 PM, Peter Boulding wrote:
>>> On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 15:06:49 -0600, Kevin<K_S_O...@yh.com> wrote in
>>> <0274g79d9htb2r3b4...@4ax.com>:
>>>> Are there better examples of successful older people who are widely
>>>> known for dating or marrying younger people?
>>> Henry.
>>>
>>> Rupert.
>>>
>>> Newt.
>>>
>>> J. Howard.
>> AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
>>
>> If Rupert and Newt are in the category, I want out.
>Salman Rushdie.
Really?
<googles>
Oh. Wow.
<http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Pia_Glenn_and_Salman_Rushdie_Shankbone_2009_Vanity_Fair.jpg>
<jdu6kb$5um$2...@speranza.aioe.org>:
>On 1/2/2012 5:11 PM, Mary wrote:
>> On 1/2/2012 4:09 PM, Peter Boulding wrote:
>>> On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 15:06:49 -0600, Kevin<K_S_O...@yh.com> wrote in
>>> <0274g79d9htb2r3b4...@4ax.com>:
>>>> Are there better examples of successful older people who are widely
>>>> known for dating or marrying younger people?
>>> Henry.
>>>
>>> Rupert.
>>>
>>> Newt.
>>>
>>> J. Howard.
>> AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
>>
>> If Rupert and Newt are in the category, I want out.
Really?
<googles>
Oh. Wow.
<http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Pia_Glenn_and_Salman_Rushdie_Shankbone_2009_Vanity_Fair.jpg>
The flail of God, implacable as the thunderstorm; upon whose boots dries the blood of his foes.
Jan 3, 2012, 5:25:43 AM1/3/12
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On Jan 2, 11:55 pm, Peter Boulding <pjbne...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk>
wrote:
> "I don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them other
> people's money."
> - Rick Santorum, explaining his desire to reform welfare out of existence
And what is it that you find objectionable about this sentiment,
again? There's nothing admirable about the desire to force someone
else to do something, especially when it turns out to have largely the
opposite result as you'd (ostensibly, although I cannot rule out the
possibility that you secretly and consciously hate black people)
hoped.
wrote:
> "I don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them other
> people's money."
> - Rick Santorum, explaining his desire to reform welfare out of existence
again? There's nothing admirable about the desire to force someone
else to do something, especially when it turns out to have largely the
opposite result as you'd (ostensibly, although I cannot rule out the
possibility that you secretly and consciously hate black people)
hoped.
The flail of God, implacable as the thunderstorm; upon whose boots dries the blood of his foes.
Jan 3, 2012, 5:51:07 AM1/3/12
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On Jan 1, 8:01 pm, Lee Ayrton <layr...@panix.com.nul> wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 17:58:18 -0600, Mary wrote:
>
> > Most pyramids were used for something, though. Teotihuacan was a temple
> > of sorts, and the Egyptian ones were funerary containers, weren't they?
>
> I was musing about the Egyptian pyramids -- and nuclear waste bunkers --
> just the other day. 20 centuries on how do we know what was supposed to
> keep something out, and what was supposed to keep something in?
>
> Lee "Cue: Tubular Bells" Ayrton
#5. The Cursed Tomb
Of course, if you want a true, large-scale Mummy-type curse, you need
a really horrifying backstory. Which brings us to the cursed tomb of
Timur.
After assuming the title of Great Khan in 1369, Timur launched a
horrific campaign from Persia to Southern Russia that would have made
his great grandfather Genghis proud -- right down to the pyramid of
70,000 human skulls he built in north India, presumably because he was
tired of carrying them around.
"Just pile them all here. Somebody will get them."
When Timur died in 1405, he was interred in the Gur-e Amir complex of
Samarkand, Uzbekistan. A huge green jade slab which had once served as
the throne for Kabek Khan was placed over his tomb and covered with
Arabic text about how awesome it is to be Mongol, and, just to make
sure nobody messed with Timur's bones down the road, the words "When I
arise from the grave, the world will tremble", which is eerily
reminiscent of Vigo's prophecy in Ghostbusters II.
Sure enough, in 1941, Stalin dispatched Soviet archeologist Mikhail
Mikhaylovich Gerasimov to excavate Timur's gravesite, we're guessing
to one-up the Nazis' recent archeological breakthroughs at Tanis and
Iskenderun.
According to Kaumov, local Uzbek elders were understandably upset
about the excavation: "These old men showed me a book saying that the
tomb of Timur should not be opened, otherwise a war could be provoked.
I was young at the time and not too wise. I did not pay too much
attention to this event. On 21 June we removed the skull of Timur.
Then, on the 22 June the war with the Germans began."
In other words, less than 24 hours after opening the tomb that
threatened to "make the world tremble" if disturbed, Stalin's men saw
Hitler launch Operation Barbarossa: the largest and most brutal
invasion of WWII.
After losing millions of Soviet soldiers and civilians, the Russians
finally returned Timur to his tomb with full Islamic burial rights on
December 20, 1942. At the same time on the opposite side of the
country, Operation Winter Storm, the last German attempt to escape
destruction at Stalingrad, failed decisively.
To be clear, it is the official position of Cracked.com that curses do
not exist. Still, to be safe, stay the hell away from Timur's tomb.
Oh, and maybe send some flowers to the archeologist who had the
brilliant idea of restoring Timur's remains just in time to prevent
the Nazis from winning WWII... whoever he may be.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18809_the-6-most-strangely-convincing-real-life-curses.html
> On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 17:58:18 -0600, Mary wrote:
>
> > Most pyramids were used for something, though. Teotihuacan was a temple
> > of sorts, and the Egyptian ones were funerary containers, weren't they?
>
> I was musing about the Egyptian pyramids -- and nuclear waste bunkers --
> just the other day. 20 centuries on how do we know what was supposed to
> keep something out, and what was supposed to keep something in?
>
> Lee "Cue: Tubular Bells" Ayrton
#5. The Cursed Tomb
Of course, if you want a true, large-scale Mummy-type curse, you need
a really horrifying backstory. Which brings us to the cursed tomb of
Timur.
After assuming the title of Great Khan in 1369, Timur launched a
horrific campaign from Persia to Southern Russia that would have made
his great grandfather Genghis proud -- right down to the pyramid of
70,000 human skulls he built in north India, presumably because he was
tired of carrying them around.
"Just pile them all here. Somebody will get them."
When Timur died in 1405, he was interred in the Gur-e Amir complex of
Samarkand, Uzbekistan. A huge green jade slab which had once served as
the throne for Kabek Khan was placed over his tomb and covered with
Arabic text about how awesome it is to be Mongol, and, just to make
sure nobody messed with Timur's bones down the road, the words "When I
arise from the grave, the world will tremble", which is eerily
reminiscent of Vigo's prophecy in Ghostbusters II.
Sure enough, in 1941, Stalin dispatched Soviet archeologist Mikhail
Mikhaylovich Gerasimov to excavate Timur's gravesite, we're guessing
to one-up the Nazis' recent archeological breakthroughs at Tanis and
Iskenderun.
According to Kaumov, local Uzbek elders were understandably upset
about the excavation: "These old men showed me a book saying that the
tomb of Timur should not be opened, otherwise a war could be provoked.
I was young at the time and not too wise. I did not pay too much
attention to this event. On 21 June we removed the skull of Timur.
Then, on the 22 June the war with the Germans began."
In other words, less than 24 hours after opening the tomb that
threatened to "make the world tremble" if disturbed, Stalin's men saw
Hitler launch Operation Barbarossa: the largest and most brutal
invasion of WWII.
After losing millions of Soviet soldiers and civilians, the Russians
finally returned Timur to his tomb with full Islamic burial rights on
December 20, 1942. At the same time on the opposite side of the
country, Operation Winter Storm, the last German attempt to escape
destruction at Stalingrad, failed decisively.
To be clear, it is the official position of Cracked.com that curses do
not exist. Still, to be safe, stay the hell away from Timur's tomb.
Oh, and maybe send some flowers to the archeologist who had the
brilliant idea of restoring Timur's remains just in time to prevent
the Nazis from winning WWII... whoever he may be.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18809_the-6-most-strangely-convincing-real-life-curses.html
The flail of God, implacable as the thunderstorm; upon whose boots dries the blood of his foes.
Jan 3, 2012, 6:21:41 AM1/3/12
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On Jan 2, 4:06 pm, Kevin <K_S_ONe...@yh.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Dover Beach<moon.blanc...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>>news:Xns9FCDABB071C...@130.133.4.11:
>
> >>>> Powered Holed Carrot Meal<howardg...@notmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>news:Xns9FCDB2C9F8E11ho...@94.75.214.39:
>
> >>>>> Dover Beach<moon.blanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Mark Steese<mark_ste...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>
> >>>>>>> Captain Infinity<Infin...@captaininfinity.us> wrote in
> On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:52:11 -0600, Mary <mrfeath...@a0l.com> wrote:
> >On 1/2/2012 12:05 PM, Kevin wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 17:53:11 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese
> >> <mark_ste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On 1/2/2012 12:05 PM, Kevin wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 17:53:11 +0000 (UTC), Mark Steese
>
> >>> Dover Beach<moon.blanc...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>>news:Xns9FCDABB071C...@130.133.4.11:
>
> >>>> Powered Holed Carrot Meal<howardg...@notmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>news:Xns9FCDB2C9F8E11ho...@94.75.214.39:
>
> >>>>> Dover Beach<moon.blanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Mark Steese<mark_ste...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>
> >>>>>>> Captain Infinity<Infin...@captaininfinity.us> wrote in
>
> >>>>>>>> Howart Holay Hail wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
> >>>>>>>>> like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
>
> >>>>>>>> Howart Holay Hail wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
> >>>>>>>>> like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
>
> >>>>>>>> Ashton Kutcher is 6 feet 3 inches tall. That's not particularly
> >>>>>>>> tall, but he is particularly useless.
>
> >>>>>>> Sadly untrue: CBS has used him to prevent one of the worst TV shows
> >>>>>>> ever made from dying a well-deserved death.
>
> >>>>>> Charles Bishop will be by shortly to reprove you.
>
> >>>>> I liked the first couple of seasons of That 70s Show, but now I won't
> >>>>> stop if a rerun comes up when I'm flipping channels.
>
> >>>> Yeah, that went downhill fast after the first couple of seasons. It
> >>>> went to stupidly farcical instead of using the characters to drive the
> >>>> comedy.
>
> >>> Never watched it, myself. Kutcher is one of a handful of people whose
> >>> mere existence makes me irrationally angry
>
> >> Middle aged women have for ages been testy about younger women who use
> >> up the perceived top tier of middle aged men. If all the polarities
> >> reverse without crashing the system you could expect middle aged men
> >> to become unhappy about younger men who use up the hottest and richest
> >> middle aged women, even if in all those cases the unhappy contingent
> >> doesn't really have much of a realistic shot of dating Jack Nicholson
> >> or Demi Moore.
>
> >You had me right up until you named your examples. Jack Nicholson and
> >Demi Moore? Ugh.
>
> >>>>>>>> tall, but he is particularly useless.
>
> >>>>>>> Sadly untrue: CBS has used him to prevent one of the worst TV shows
> >>>>>>> ever made from dying a well-deserved death.
>
> >>>>>> Charles Bishop will be by shortly to reprove you.
>
> >>>>> I liked the first couple of seasons of That 70s Show, but now I won't
> >>>>> stop if a rerun comes up when I'm flipping channels.
>
> >>>> Yeah, that went downhill fast after the first couple of seasons. It
> >>>> went to stupidly farcical instead of using the characters to drive the
> >>>> comedy.
>
> >>> Never watched it, myself. Kutcher is one of a handful of people whose
> >>> mere existence makes me irrationally angry
>
> >> Middle aged women have for ages been testy about younger women who use
> >> up the perceived top tier of middle aged men. If all the polarities
> >> reverse without crashing the system you could expect middle aged men
> >> to become unhappy about younger men who use up the hottest and richest
> >> middle aged women, even if in all those cases the unhappy contingent
> >> doesn't really have much of a realistic shot of dating Jack Nicholson
> >> or Demi Moore.
>
> >You had me right up until you named your examples. Jack Nicholson and
> >Demi Moore? Ugh.
>
> Are there better examples of successful older people who are widely
> known for dating or marrying younger people?
Humphrey Bogart.
> known for dating or marrying younger people?
Jared
Jan 3, 2012, 7:23:12 AM1/3/12
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On 1/3/2012 5:17 AM, Peter Boulding wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 01:18:53 -0500, Jared<jare...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <jdu6kb$5um$2...@speranza.aioe.org>:
>
>> On 1/2/2012 5:11 PM, Mary wrote:
>>> On 1/2/2012 4:09 PM, Peter Boulding wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 15:06:49 -0600, Kevin<K_S_O...@yh.com> wrote in
>>>> <0274g79d9htb2r3b4...@4ax.com>:
>
>>>>> Are there better examples of successful older people who are widely
>>>>> known for dating or marrying younger people?
>
>>>> Henry.
>>>>
>>>> Rupert.
>>>>
>>>> Newt.
>>>>
>>>> J. Howard.
>
>>> AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
>>>
>>> If Rupert and Newt are in the category, I want out.
>
>> Salman Rushdie.
>
> Really?
>
> <googles>
>
> Oh. Wow.
> <http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Pia_Glenn_and_Salman_Rushdie_Shankbone_2009_Vanity_Fair.jpg>
>
>
And...
> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 01:18:53 -0500, Jared<jare...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <jdu6kb$5um$2...@speranza.aioe.org>:
>
>> On 1/2/2012 5:11 PM, Mary wrote:
>>> On 1/2/2012 4:09 PM, Peter Boulding wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 15:06:49 -0600, Kevin<K_S_O...@yh.com> wrote in
>>>> <0274g79d9htb2r3b4...@4ax.com>:
>
>>>>> Are there better examples of successful older people who are widely
>>>>> known for dating or marrying younger people?
>
>>>> Henry.
>>>>
>>>> Rupert.
>>>>
>>>> Newt.
>>>>
>>>> J. Howard.
>
>>> AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
>>>
>>> If Rupert and Newt are in the category, I want out.
>
>> Salman Rushdie.
>
> Really?
>
> <googles>
>
> Oh. Wow.
> <http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Pia_Glenn_and_Salman_Rushdie_Shankbone_2009_Vanity_Fair.jpg>
>
>
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/05_01/rushdie_468x413.jpg
--
Jared
Jared
Jan 3, 2012, 7:40:19 AM1/3/12
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http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/28/fac20605eab5da7f1fcfc3695d09fe2c/l.jpg
--
Jared
Boron Elgar
Jan 3, 2012, 7:57:29 AM1/3/12
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:59:32 -0800, Bill Kinkaid <billk...@shaw.ca>
wrote:
I had not seen that before. I certainly got a giggle out of it.
Boron
wrote:
Boron
S. Checker
Jan 3, 2012, 9:31:48 AM1/3/12
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> What other cities have done this? NYC's skyscrapers obviously are useful
> even if there's a fair amount of vanity involved in something like the
> Empire State Building. My understanding is that Toronto's CN tower serves
> a useful function for broadcasters, but I could be wrong about how
> necessary it really is and whether a smaller tower could serve the same
> purpose. Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
--
My love complies with all EEOC, OSHA, and Department of Education
regulations.
-- Late Afternoon with Dean Webb
> even if there's a fair amount of vanity involved in something like the
> Empire State Building. My understanding is that Toronto's CN tower serves
> a useful function for broadcasters, but I could be wrong about how
> necessary it really is and whether a smaller tower could serve the same
> purpose. Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
> like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
Philadelphia has Andre Iguodala.
--
My love complies with all EEOC, OSHA, and Department of Education
regulations.
-- Late Afternoon with Dean Webb
Dover Beach
Jan 3, 2012, 10:43:49 AM1/3/12
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Peter Boulding <pjbn...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk> wrote in
news:bbl5g7hfgrg5r2v96...@4ax.com:
>
> Oh. Wow.
> <http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Pia_Glenn_and_Salma
> n_Rushdie_Shankbone_2009_Vanity_Fair.jpg>
>
>
That's the worst boob job EVER. That's worse than Tara Reid's. She
should sue.
--
Dover
news:bbl5g7hfgrg5r2v96...@4ax.com:
>
> Oh. Wow.
> <http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Pia_Glenn_and_Salma
> n_Rushdie_Shankbone_2009_Vanity_Fair.jpg>
>
>
That's the worst boob job EVER. That's worse than Tara Reid's. She
should sue.
--
Dover
Greg Goss
Jan 3, 2012, 12:05:16 PM1/3/12
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Boron Elgar <boron...@hootmail.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:59:32 -0800, Bill Kinkaid <billk...@shaw.ca>
>wrote:
>On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:59:32 -0800, Bill Kinkaid <billk...@shaw.ca>
>wrote:
>>Which brings us to Mount Rushmore from the Canadian side:
>>
>>http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=226000714124766
>>&set=a.186656484725856.47538.100001445161437&type=1&theater
>>
>>(Please don't post to spoil the joke by pointing out that North Dakota
>>and over half of South Dakota is in between.)
>
>
>I had not seen that before. I certainly got a giggle out of it.
I'd seen a similar image before, but not the "Canadian" setup for it.
>>
>>http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=226000714124766
>>&set=a.186656484725856.47538.100001445161437&type=1&theater
>>
>>(Please don't post to spoil the joke by pointing out that North Dakota
>>and over half of South Dakota is in between.)
>
>
>I had not seen that before. I certainly got a giggle out of it.
Paul Madarasz
Jan 3, 2012, 12:41:54 PM1/3/12
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 23:29:51 -0500, "D.F. Manno" <dfm...@mail.com>
wrote, perhaps among other things:
>In article <Xns9FCCA9EC4...@94.75.214.39>,
> Howart Holay Hail <howarth...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
>> like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
>
>The Bank of America Tower.
The Big Jesus in Rio.
--
"Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell."
-- Ed Abbey
wrote, perhaps among other things:
>In article <Xns9FCCA9EC4...@94.75.214.39>,
> Howart Holay Hail <howarth...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
>> like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
>
>The Bank of America Tower.
--
"Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell."
-- Ed Abbey
BillT...@invalid.com
Jan 3, 2012, 3:37:10 PM1/3/12
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On 3 Jan 2012 15:43:49 GMT, Dover Beach <moon.b...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Agreed.
And that is the very definition of a shit-eating smirk!
Bill "symmetry is the bugaboob of little minds" Turlock
wrote:
And that is the very definition of a shit-eating smirk!
Bill "symmetry is the bugaboob of little minds" Turlock
BillT...@invalid.com
Jan 3, 2012, 3:40:12 PM1/3/12
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On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 10:41:54 -0700, Paul Madarasz
<paul.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 23:29:51 -0500, "D.F. Manno" <dfm...@mail.com>
>wrote, perhaps among other things:
>
>>In article <Xns9FCCA9EC4...@94.75.214.39>,
>> Howart Holay Hail <howarth...@notmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
>>> like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
>>
>>The Bank of America Tower.
>
>The Big Jesus in Rio.
I had a hunch back in Indiana you'd say that.
<paul.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 23:29:51 -0500, "D.F. Manno" <dfm...@mail.com>
>wrote, perhaps among other things:
>
>>In article <Xns9FCCA9EC4...@94.75.214.39>,
>> Howart Holay Hail <howarth...@notmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Are there other notable examples of really tall, useless things
>>> like the Arch or the Washington Monument?
>>
>>The Bank of America Tower.
>
>The Big Jesus in Rio.
Opus the Penguin
Jan 3, 2012, 5:32:31 PM1/3/12
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Les Albert (lalb...@aol.com) wrote:
> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>
The kind of women who would double up on a dude like Peter Gibbons'
next door neighbor are.
--
Opus the Penguin
The best darn penguin in all of Usenet
> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>> Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ....
>>>>Now that I've got someone to live with, I have no real passion
>>>>for or against men who take more than their share. Half a
>>>>decade ago, I liked the idea of gay guys because they were
>>>>taking less than their share of women.
>>>> .....
>
>>>It's difficult to understand that because you couldn't find
>>>someone to live with that you thought it was the fault of men who
>>>take more than their share of women. Were you competing with men
>>>who had more money, or were better looking, or both?
>
>>Ask shawn. Every player in a commodity market affects the market
>>availability. (grin)
>
>
> Women are not commodities. (un-grin).
>>> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ....
>>>>Now that I've got someone to live with, I have no real passion
>>>>for or against men who take more than their share. Half a
>>>>decade ago, I liked the idea of gay guys because they were
>>>>taking less than their share of women.
>>>> .....
>
>>>It's difficult to understand that because you couldn't find
>>>someone to live with that you thought it was the fault of men who
>>>take more than their share of women. Were you competing with men
>>>who had more money, or were better looking, or both?
>
>>Ask shawn. Every player in a commodity market affects the market
>>availability. (grin)
>
>
>
The kind of women who would double up on a dude like Peter Gibbons'
next door neighbor are.
--
Opus the Penguin
The best darn penguin in all of Usenet
Les Albert
Jan 3, 2012, 6:20:31 PM1/3/12
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doubled up on the dude, dude?
Les
Snidely
Jan 3, 2012, 9:20:54 PM1/3/12
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Opus the Penguin
Jan 3, 2012, 9:33:22 PM1/3/12
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Lawrence: I'll tell you what I'd do, man: two chicks at the same
time, man.
Peter Gibbons: That's it? If you had a million dollars, you'd do two
chicks at the same time?
Lawrence: Damn straight. I always wanted to do that, man. And I
think if I were a millionaire I could hook that up, too; 'cause
chicks dig dudes with money.
Peter Gibbons: Well, not all chicks.
Lawrence: Well, the type of chicks that'd double up on a dude like
me do.
Peter Gibbons: Good point.
Heather
Jan 3, 2012, 10:40:49 PM1/3/12
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--
Heather
Snidely
Jan 4, 2012, 1:59:03 AM1/4/12
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Heather <redbo...@gmail.com> scribbled something like ...
And then there are certain post-operative risks:
<http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMicm1102594>
(New England Journal of Medicine, not a Tara Reid link)
/dps
<http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMicm1102594>
(New England Journal of Medicine, not a Tara Reid link)
/dps
Peter Boulding
Jan 4, 2012, 7:01:34 AM1/4/12
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On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 04:55:02 +0000, I wrote in
<5b25g71ao09rcl73t...@4ax.com>:
>"I don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them other
>people's money."
>- Rick Santorum, explaining his desire to reform welfare out of existence
<http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/the-daily-cartoon-760940.html>
<5b25g71ao09rcl73t...@4ax.com>:
>"I don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them other
>people's money."
>- Rick Santorum, explaining his desire to reform welfare out of existence
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