Anyone familiar with Christine J. Sojka?

[Patricia]

Do any of you know or know of this person?

[denise....@gmail.com]

On Friday, 6 July 2012 19:29:21 UTC+1, Patricia wrote:
> Do any of you know or know of this person?

I just googled the name and she seems to be linked with Star Trek and Brent Spiner discussions on various threads.

[Junie]

On Friday, July 6, 2012 1:29:21 PM UTC-5, Patricia wrote:
> Do any of you know or know of this person?

I've seen her rantings. Seems completely certifiable to me. I grimace when I come across something she writes. Someone should take the keyboard away from her.

[denise....@gmail.com]

On Friday, 6 July 2012 19:29:21 UTC+1, Patricia wrote:

> Do any of you know or know of this person?

My earlier reply hasn't yet shown up so I'll try again.
I googled her and found she has been involved in discussions re Star Trek and Brent Spiner on various boards.

[NighDarke]

On Jul 6, 1:29 pm, Patricia <pbutler...@aol.com> wrote:
> Do any of you know or know of this person?

I'm having a bit of a run-in with her right now on Twitter. She's
major obsessed with Barry's sex life and she thinks he wants her to be
his wife, she thinks her "intuition" lets her know with 100% certainty
everything Barry feels, thinks, wants. She never posts photos of
herself either, she said she "has plans" and doesn't want anyone to
know what she looks like. I hope that Barry's security knows who she
really is and they keep an eye out for her. Her ramblings are rather
scary to be honest, delusional and psychotic. If she isn't in a
mental institution somewhere now she sure needs to be. And some
wonder why Barry keeps the fans at arms length, why they don't get
access to him anymore! Gee, ones like HER ya think? He can't take
the chance. I feel bad for him really.

[shado...@gmail.com]

On Friday, July 6, 2012 3:55:42 PM UTC-4, NighDarke wrote:
> On Jul 6, 1:29 pm, Patricia

Christine also posts over at Barry's Topics message board. She
mainly rambles on about sexual orentation. Why because she knows
the truth. Plans like what? Making herself look drop dead gorgeous.
Then what happens if Barry's not interested in her because he swings
the other way.
Linda

[Patricia]

Thanks. Have any of you ever seen her posting anything Manilow-related?

[Junie]

On Friday, July 6, 2012 2:50:22 PM UTC-5, Patricia wrote:

> Thanks. Have any of you ever seen her posting anything Manilow-related?

He's all she rants about. Completely off the wall crazy stuff. Scary stuff.
I figured you knew that - and that you were inquiring about her because of her mention of you on June 22 on her Twitter account.

[Brenda M]

NighDarke wrote:
If she isn't in a
> mental institution somewhere now she sure needs to be. And some
> wonder why Barry keeps the fans at arms length, why they don't get
> access to him anymore!

Except when they shell out for platinums.

It always makes me nervous that any nutball can buy one of those
things.

Gee, ones like HER ya think? He can't take
> the chance. I feel bad for him really.

Honestly, I don't think I do. Nutty fans are an unfortunate reality
for anyone who's had as much fame as
Barry. That's just one more reason why he makes the big bucks. :-)


Brenda

[Diane]

I hope that Barry's security knows who she
> really is and they keep an eye out for her. Her ramblings are rather
> scary to be honest, delusional and psychotic. If she isn't in a
> mental institution somewhere now she sure needs to be. And some
> wonder why Barry keeps the fans at arms length, why they don't get
> access to him anymore! Gee, ones like HER ya think? He can't take
> the chance. I feel bad for him really.

A friend brought this woman's Twitter account to my attention a few months ago. What a lunatic. I know she's included Garry Kief in some of her crazy tweets so they must be aware of her and her ramblings. I doubt she's any kind of a security risk.
Diane

[Patricia]

Yes, but I don't make the big bucks, and I get them, too.

[Patricia]

On Jul 6, 3:14 pm, Junie <woooot_woo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Friday, July 6, 2012 2:55:42 PM UTC-5, NighDarke wrote:
> > On Jul 6, 1:29 pm, Patricia

> So YOUR the latest lucky one to interact with her. lol Give it up; it's no use.
>
> If you look back to June 22 on her Twitter account, you'll see why Patricia Butler is inquiring about her.

I don't do Twitter. What did she say about me??

[Junie]

On Friday, July 6, 2012 4:23:10 PM UTC-5, Patricia wrote:

> I don't do Twitter. What did she say about me??

You can see her public page without a Twitter account.

https://twitter.com/bulllovescow

Scroll down to June 22. There's six Tweets referencing you.

[Patricia]

Wow! Another good reason to stay off Twitter, I guess. She's been
sending me huge long personal messages through the chat board on my
website. I was pretty patient with her until today, when she claimed
she called Jeanne Lucas on the phone and had a long conversation with
her. Apparently Jeanne is in the habit of spilling her guts to any
stranger who gets her phone number, to hear this chick tell it. I
should post some of the stuff here; she gave me permission to post the
messages publicly. I don't care what kind of bucks someone makes, big
or small -- no one should have to put up with this sort of nonsense.

[Brenda M]

Patricia wrote:
>
> Yes, but I don't make the big bucks, and I get them, too.

Maybe you should fire your agent. :-)

Brenda

[Brenda M]

Patricia wrote:
> I don't care what kind of bucks someone makes, big
> or small -- no one should have to put up with this sort of nonsense.

I agree - nobody should have to.

But it's out there and it's not going away, so what else can we do?

Brenda

[starn...@earthlink.net]

On Friday, July 6, 2012 12:55:42 PM UTC-7, NighDarke wrote:
> On Jul 6, 1:29 pm, Patricia

I just read about 2 months worth of her ramblings, and I don't see where she wants to be his wife. IMHO she sounds a little like someone who posts here (or used to post here) with a huge grudge. But she definitely sounds nuts.
CA Sharon

[Diane]

On Friday, July 6, 2012 3:32:45 PM UTC-7, Patricia wrote:


> I should post some of the stuff here; she gave me permission to post the
> messages publicly.

Oh no. I don't see how posting any of her crap here would be a good plan at all. She posts on a few of these forums and I'm sure someone would let her know you'd posted her words here. It's just an invitation for her to come here and start her crazy rantings and ravings. Why even encourage her to bring that stupid crap to this forum?
Diane

[Patricia]

My agent, who I loved dearly and with whom I worked for 15+ years,
died quite suddenly last year.

[Brenda M]

On Jul 6, 7:58 pm, Diane <pnks...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Oh no.  I don't see how posting any of her crap here would be a good plan at all.  She posts on a few of these forums and I'm sure someone would let her know you'd posted her words here.  It's just an invitation for her to come here and start her crazy rantings and ravings.  Why even encourage her to bring that stupid crap to this forum?
> Diane

What's that line I love from "As Good As It Gets"?

Oh yeah ...

"Go sell crazy someplace else. We're all stocked up here."

(I so love that movie!)

Brenda

[Brenda M]

I was making a joke.

But, seriously, I'm sorry for your loss.

Death sucks.

Brenda

[NighDarke]

> So YOUR the latest lucky one to interact with her. lol Give it up; it's no use.

I'm about to block her, yeah.

> I just read about 2 months worth of her ramblings, and I don't see where she wants to be his wife.

LOL, you didn't go back far enough, it's there. But it's the other way around, She believes Barry wants her to be his wife. Then she rambles on about wanting to use Barry to be famous herself cause all she cares about is being famous any way she can. I'm not so sure she's not dangerous, she's obviously psychotic.

[Patricia]

There really is a dangerous undercurrent in her ramblings. When she
told me about this phone call she supposedly had with Jeanne Lucas she
included Jeanne's phone number. Made me pretty happy I'm unlisted.

[starn...@earthlink.net]

For once, I agree with Patricia. This woman's writings are seriously disturbing. Not just in a rabid fan way. I hope someone has her on their radar.
CA Sharon

[Patricia]

Well, she did give me permission to perform a brain scan:

"also you should know that i give permission for an FMRI brain scan to
be done
on me to PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT THAT WHAT I JUST TOLD YOU
ABOUT WHAT JEANNE LUCAS TOLD ME IS TRUE.MRI AND FMRI brain scans can
PROVE CONCLUSIVELY if a person is lying or not if the MRI or FMRI is
interpreted by an expert in interpreting MRI and FMRI.that's because
the brain looks physically different when someone is lying than it
looks when someone is telling the truth."

[Brenda M]

I think somebody needs to scan my brain for bleeds after trying to
read that.

(If you do scan her brain, please see if the part that's in charge of
punctuation is still intact. I'm guessing it was removed during the
lobotomy.)

Brenda

[KJM]

On Saturday, 7 July 2012 12:51:43 UTC+1, Brenda M wrote:
> On Jul 7, 12:47 am, Patricia

I am virtually speechless. I find it so very sad tbh, obviously some major help needed.

I really hope that cutting and pasting conversations is not carried out any further from elsewhere, it really will serve no purpose here, only serve to atagonise.

Best left alone people, really.

[Patricia]

> Best left alone people, really.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Who would it be antagonizing? She gave me permission to make her
messages public.

[Nash's Gramma]

> messages public.- Hide quoted text -

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I think it might bring her over here (actually I'm kind of surprised
she isn't already posting here) and seriously, she could overload this
site so quickly! She sends multiple tweets to people who have no
connection to her or Barry or Mr. Spiner, and ferrets out peoples
addresses and phone numbers and all kinds of personal info. Or at
least she says she does. Maybe it's all her overly active, arguably
disturbed imagination. If we can keep her away from here, we should.
jmho.
CA Sharon

[KJM]

On Saturday, 7 July 2012 17:44:36 UTC+1, Nash&#39;s Gramma wrote:
> On Jul 7, 9:20 am, Patricia

Exactly Sharon, totally agree with you.

[granny...@pandora.be]

On Jul 6, 8:29 pm, Patricia <pbutler...@aol.com> wrote:
> Do any of you know or know of this person?

She once called me - on Twitter - an old, ugly fat woman..... so
anyone who knows me ... Brenda !!!!.... is she right ? :-))
Anyway...she's a nutcase !

Jeannine

[KJM]

Patrica with respect, maybe she did, but that does not mean you, or anyone else has to take her up on the offer does it? Obviously a very volatile lady, who does not need to be encouraged with another public platform IMO.

[Patricia]

> Patrica with respect, maybe she did, but that does not mean you, or anyone else has to take her up on the offer does it?  Obviously a very volatile lady, who does not need to be encouraged with another public platform IMO.- Hide quoted text -

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That's fine. But posting something on this group doesn't hold the
power to summon her by some silent signal only she can hear. If she
were interested in posting here, I think she'd already be doing it,
regardless of whether people were first discussing her or not. As
strongly as she appears to feel on the topic of Barry Manilow, she
must have a reason for not expressing those feelings here.

[starn...@earthlink.net]

Perhaps she just hasn't found this site yet. And as I'm sure you know, if you google someone, you find out lots of info about that person you never would have known otherwise. If she is as self-absorbed as I suspect she is, all she has to do is google herself (does that sound x-rated to anyone but me? lol) and she will see all of our posts from this topic. So, I expect she will arrive here shortly and blast us all.
CA Sharon
ps, Patricia, are you really, really sure about that silent signal? After all, maybe her "intuition" will pick up on it, and bring her here! (I AM just kidding, in case you can't tell.)

[Patricia]

> ps, Patricia, are you really, really sure about that silent signal? After all, maybe her "intuition" will pick up on it, and bring her here! (I AM just kidding, in case you can't tell.)- Hide quoted text -

>
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I just got another huge, long personal message from her on my website.
Before, she told me she had a 15 minute conversation with Jeanne Lucas
in which Jeanne apparently told Christine her entire life story, in
great detail, all refuting anything and everything in my book. Now
that she's learned that all my interviews with Jeanne were tape
recorded, suddenly she's coming back saying that obviously Jeanne is a
great big liar because she's married to an actor who obviously forced
her to tell me a lot of lies in hopes of furthering his acting
career. Makes TOTAL sense to me. This latest message was
approximately 10 inches long and IN ALL CAPS. I just wrote back and
told her that I'm sorry she's the last person in the universe to
discover that Barry is gay, and sorry that she's having so much
distress over this discovery, but that I'm not qualified to provide
for her the therapy she obviously needs. I don't think she knows
where I live, but tonight I think I'll give my cat a shotgun and post
him outside the bedroom door, just in case.

[crystal]

On Jul 6, 3:55 pm, NighDarke <nighda...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 6, 1:29 pm, Patricia <pbutler...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Do any of you know or know of this person?
>

> I'm having a bit of a run-in with her right now on Twitter.  She's
> major obsessed with Barry's sex life and she thinks he wants her to be
> his wife, she thinks her "intuition" lets her know with 100% certainty
> everything Barry feels, thinks, wants.  She never posts photos of
> herself either, she said she "has plans" and doesn't want anyone to
> know what she looks like.  I hope that Barry's security knows who she
> really is and they keep an eye out for her.   Her ramblings are rather
> scary to be honest, delusional and psychotic.   If she isn't in a
> mental institution somewhere now she sure needs to be.  And some
> wonder why Barry keeps the fans at arms length, why they don't get
> access to him anymore!  Gee, ones like HER ya think?  He can't take
> the chance.  I feel bad for him really.

She's also has both Ron Dante and Enoch Anderson on her Facebook page
as "friends" so I'm guessing she's on their's as well. I've read this
woman's posts all over the internet because of what she's posted on
the Topix forum, and she truly is frightening. I hope Garry sees this
discussion the next time he decides to read the group, so he has some
idea of what she's been up to since he blocked her from his Twitter
account. I don't really want her brand of crazy on here either, but on
the other hand, maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea for Garry to know
exactly what she's saying, and as someone already posted, if Christine
hasn't found this place yet, she may not know about it. If she does
come here, and starts in with her bat guano insane ravings, she can
ignored like any other troll.


Crystal

[Brenda M]

On Jul 7, 1:12 pm, "granny.ba...@pandora.be" <granny.ba...@pandora.be>
wrote:

Jeannine! Oh, Give me a break - of course she isn't right.

About that ...

Or in the head, for that matter.


Brenda

[NICKY D]

Hi I am new to this forum and greatly heartened to see others have
had
issues with Christine and not just me !! I tweeted her also and got a
stream of
abuse back ...she is incapable of reasonable, rational discussion.
Needless to say
I blocked her too..she claims GK followed her until she posted tweets
which she claims
she knew would offend him !! IMO she needs to be given a wide
berth...certainly a
sandwich short of a picnic !
Likin' your lively discussions btw...:-)

[bookworm]

This one sounds like she is short the whole picnic and just carrying around an empty basket! I have never heard of her and I'm glad. She sounds like she is totally off her meds, poor thing.

[Patricia]

"Poor thing" indeed! Pity the object of her ire (that would be me at
the moment).

[NighDarke]

After a lively "debate" with me on Twitter which she was losing horribly and looking a total fool, she has now 'protected' her tweets and closed off her Twitter to anyone she hasn't approved to follow her. After of course going on a last rant toward me, which I now can't respond to. Can we say "coward" kiddies? Looks like the nutbag loser couldn't deal with someone who saw her BS for what it was. At least now there will be less of her insane diatribe out in public view :)

[starn...@earthlink.net]

On Monday, July 9, 2012 10:59:27 PM UTC-7, NighDarke wrote:
> After a lively &quot;debate&quot; with me on Twitter which she was losing horribly and looking a total fool, she has now &#39;protected&#39; her tweets and closed off her Twitter to anyone she hasn&#39;t approved to follow her. After of course going on a last rant toward me, which I now can&#39;t respond to. Can we say &quot;coward&quot; kiddies? Looks like the nutbag loser couldn&#39;t deal with someone who saw her BS for what it was. At least now there will be less of her insane diatribe out in public view :)

Not true. I don't follow her, and I was just on her page. Maybe it's just you?

[granny...@pandora.be]

Then you're the only one who can see it, I can't see her Twitter page
because she blocked it to non followers !

Jeannine

[starn...@earthlink.net]

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 9:50:37 AM UTC-7, granny...@pandora.be wrote:
> On Jul 10, 6:14 pm, starns0...@earthlink.net wrote:

> &gt; On Monday, July 9, 2012 10:59:27 PM UTC-7, NighDarke wrote:
> &gt; &gt; After a lively &amp;quot;debate&amp;quot; with me on Twitter which she was losing horribly and looking a total fool, she has now &amp;#39;protected&amp;#39; her tweets and closed off her Twitter to anyone she hasn&amp;#39;t approved to follow her.  After of course going on a last rant toward me, which I now can&amp;#39;t respond to.  Can we say &amp;quot;coward&amp;quot; kiddies?  Looks like the nutbag loser couldn&amp;#39;t deal with someone who saw her BS for what it was.  At least now there will be less of her insane diatribe out in public view :)
> &gt;
> &gt; Not true. I don&#39;t follow her, and I was just on her page. Maybe it&#39;s just you?
>
> Then you&#39;re the only one who can see it, I can&#39;t see her Twitter page

> because she blocked it to non followers !
>
> Jeannine

If she had really done that, then you're right, no one but followers could see her tweets, and it would say so.But I "just" (as in just before writing this) was there, and nothing is blocked. And I am not one of her followers! Perhaps she has just blocked those with whom she has had arguments? I don't really care, I only started reading her posts because Patricia brought her to my attention.
CA Sharon

[Patricia]

I was also able to get on her Twitter feed (and also didn't know she
was tweeting until someone here mentioned she'd been tweeting about
me). Maybe she's just blocking specific people? Though I have an
account, I don't really do the Twitter thing. I don't know that I'd
even know how to tweet if I wanted to (which I haven't so far).

[NighDarke]

> If she had really done that, then you&#39;re right, no one but followers could see her tweets, and it would say so.But I &quot;just&quot; (as in just before writing this) was there, and nothing is blocked. And I am not one of her followers! Perhaps she has just blocked those with whom she has had arguments? I don&#39;t really care, I only started reading her posts because Patricia brought her to my attention.
> CA Sharon

It says: @bulllovescow's account is protected. Only confirmed followers have access to @bulllovescow's Tweets and complete profile. Click the "Follow" button to send a follow request.

The way that works is weird. Anything she tweeted BEFORE protecting her account will still show. Anything tweeted after will only be viewable by those on her list. I can still see her old stuff, but when I tried to reply to her it wouldn't let me. When you block someone they can't see your twitter at all, it's like you're not there anymore.

[starn...@earthlink.net]

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 11:20:46 AM UTC-7, NighDarke wrote:
> &gt; If she had really done that, then you&amp;#39;re right, no one but followers could see her tweets, and it would say so.But I &amp;quot;just&amp;quot; (as in just before writing this) was there, and nothing is blocked. And I am not one of her followers! Perhaps she has just blocked those with whom she has had arguments? I don&amp;#39;t really care, I only started reading her posts because Patricia brought her to my attention.
> &gt; CA Sharon
>
> It says: @bulllovescow&#39;s account is protected. Only confirmed followers have access to @bulllovescow&#39;s Tweets and complete profile. Click the &quot;Follow&quot; button to send a follow request.
>
> The way that works is weird. Anything she tweeted BEFORE protecting her account will still show. Anything tweeted after will only be viewable by those on her list. I can still see her old stuff, but when I tried to reply to her it wouldn&#39;t let me. When you block someone they can&#39;t see your twitter at all, it&#39;s like you&#39;re not there anymore.

Huh. That is weird. Cuz I just sent her a tweet, and I'm not getting any kind of message about her account being protected or needing to follow her to see anything. It IS weird.

[Totosmom]

On Monday, July 9, 2012 10:59:27 PM UTC-7, NighDarke wrote:

> After a lively &quot;debate&quot; with me on Twitter which she was losing horribly and looking a total fool, she has now &#39;protected&#39; her tweets and closed off her Twitter to anyone she hasn&#39;t approved to follow her. After of course going on a last rant toward me, which I now can&#39;t respond to. Can we say &quot;coward&quot; kiddies? Looks like the nutbag loser couldn&#39;t deal with someone who saw her BS for what it was. At least now there will be less of her insane diatribe out in public view :)

I'm not finding fault with what you did, but for me the question is why even bother to engage her? It's obvious that she has "problems", so why fuel the fire and egg her on? Seems kind of pointless as you won't change her mind about what she believes to be true, as delusional as it is, and picking on the mentally ill is not nice.

Bonnie

[NighDarke]

> I&#39;m not finding fault with what you did, but for me the question is why even bother to engage her? It&#39;s obvious that she has &quot;problems&quot;, so why fuel the fire and egg her on? Seems kind of pointless as you won&#39;t change her mind about what she believes to be true, as delusional as it is, and picking on the mentally ill is not nice.
>
> Bonnie

The nuts need to be challenged from time to time so others can see them for what they are, and this one especially as she is, IMO, not only unstable but potentially dangerous. This nut really needs to be on the radar of Barry's security. As for her being mentally ill, I don't care. She runs her mouth publically, she can deal with the result. Perhaps if she didn't go around attacking others she wouldn't invite the attention.

I dunno what setting she's altered, starn. Earlier I couldn't see her twitter anymore but now I can. However a friend of mine still can't. Twitter, it seems, is just as spazzy as Facebook.

[Patricia]

On Jul 10, 9:01 pm, Totosmom <BGCh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Monday, July 9, 2012 10:59:27 PM UTC-7, NighDarke wrote:

> > After a lively "debate" with me on Twitter which she was losing horribly and looking a total fool, she has now 'protected' her tweets and closed off her Twitter to anyone she hasn't approved to follow her.  After of course going on a last rant toward me, which I now can't respond to.  Can we say "coward" kiddies?  Looks like the nutbag loser couldn't deal with someone who saw her BS for what it was.  At least now there will be less of her insane diatribe out in public view :)

>
> I'm not finding fault with what you did, but for me the question is why even bother to engage her?  It's obvious that she has "problems", so why fuel the fire and egg her on?  Seems kind of pointless as you won't change her mind about what she believes to be true, as delusional as it is, and picking on the mentally ill is not nice.
>
> Bonnie

I agree with Nigh. If this person were just spouting general nonsense,
then fine -- let her spout. But when she's targeting specific (real)
people and passing along misinformation about them as though it were
gospel truth, it's important that she be challenged enough so that
those who are seeing her comments and may not know better can see and
understand that her comments need to be viewed with extreme skepticism.

[Brenda M]

On Jul 10, 10:01 pm, Totosmom <BGCh...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> I'm not finding fault with what you did, but for me the question is why even bother to engage her?  It's obvious that she has "problems", so why fuel the fire and egg her on?  Seems kind of pointless as you won't change her mind about what she believes to be true, as delusional as it is, and picking on the mentally ill is not nice.
>
> Bonnie

I gotta admit, Bonnie, you're right. My Dad always told me that it
was a total waste of time to "argue with little kids or crazy people."

Besides -
If she is ill, then making fun of her (as I did earlier) is definitely
not cool. I feel kinda bad about it.

Brenda

[Patricia]

There's a big difference between making fun of her and challenging the
nonsense she's presenting as fact. I don't care how batshit crazy she
is; if she lies about me in public, she's going to be called on it.
The best thing I can do is get her to talk long enough for people to
be clear on the fact that she's off her nut.

[Brenda M]

On Jul 10, 11:50 pm, Patricia <pbutler...@aol.com> wrote:

>
> There's a big difference between making fun of her and challenging the
> nonsense she's presenting as fact. I don't care how batshit crazy she
> is; if she lies about me in public, she's going to be called on it.
> The best thing I can do is get her to talk long enough for people to
> be clear on the fact that she's off her nut.

But how long is "long enough?"

Besides, when you willingly do battle with someone who is vastly
inferior to you mentally, are you really "challenging" her nonsense -
or making an even bigger spectacle out of it?

Not looking to engage in any sort of heated debate on this,
Patricia ... just offering a different view. Maybe you should just
move away from this train wreck. It's probably not worth your time.

Brenda

[Patricia]

Your comments are based on zero knowledge of the situation. You're
the one who brought up doing "battle"; I said challenge her comments.
And it's pretty easy to sit there and spout advice when you're not the
one being lied about. Because I know from years of observation that if
she were going from forum to forum telling whoppers about you, you
wouldn't be taking quite such a Zen view of the situation.

[Brenda M]

Patricia wrote:
>
> Your comments are based on zero knowledge of the situation. You're
> the one who brought up doing "battle"; I said challenge her comments.
> And it's pretty easy to sit there and spout advice when you're not the
> one being lied about. Because I know from years of observation that if
> she were going from forum to forum telling whoppers about you, you
> wouldn't be taking quite such a Zen view of the situation.

My comments are based entirely on what's been said in this thread.

I apologize if I wrongly assumed they told the whole story.

Not trying to be "Zen" here, but maybe just practical ...
If you're so worried about her going "from forum to forum" spreading
"whoppers" about you, why keep fueling the discussion?
Heck, many of us who only post here never would have known she even
existed if you hadn't introduced her as a topic of conversation.

Brenda

[KJM]

On Wednesday, 11 July 2012 05:58:29 UTC+1, Patricia wrote:
> On Jul 10, 10:58 pm, Brenda M &lt;bmesku...@aol.com&gt; wrote:
> &gt; On Jul 10, 11:50 pm, Patricia &lt;pbutler...@aol.com&gt; wrote:
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; There&#39;s a big difference between making fun of her and challenging the
> &gt; &gt; nonsense she&#39;s presenting as fact. I don&#39;t care how batshit crazy she
> &gt; &gt; is; if she lies about me in public, she&#39;s going to be called on it.
> &gt; &gt; The best thing I can do is get her to talk long enough for people to
> &gt; &gt; be clear on the fact that she&#39;s off her nut.
> &gt;
> &gt; But how long is &quot;long enough?&quot;
> &gt;
> &gt; Besides, when you willingly do battle with someone who is vastly
> &gt; inferior to you mentally, are you really &quot;challenging&quot; her nonsense -
> &gt; or making an even bigger spectacle out of it?
> &gt;
> &gt; Not looking to engage in any sort of heated debate on this,
> &gt; Patricia ... just offering a different view.  Maybe you should just
> &gt; move away from this train wreck.  It&#39;s probably not worth your time.
> &gt;
> &gt; Brenda
>
> Your comments are based on zero knowledge of the situation. You&#39;re
> the one who brought up doing &quot;battle&quot;; I said challenge her comments.
> And it&#39;s pretty easy to sit there and spout advice when you&#39;re not the

> one being lied about. Because I know from years of observation that if
> she were going from forum to forum telling whoppers about you, you

> wouldn&#39;t be taking quite such a Zen view of the situation.



On Wednesday, 11 July 2012 05:58:29 UTC+1, Patricia wrote:
> On Jul 10, 10:58 pm, Brenda M &lt;bmesku...@aol.com&gt; wrote:
> &gt; On Jul 10, 11:50 pm, Patricia &lt;pbutler...@aol.com&gt; wrote:
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; There&#39;s a big difference between making fun of her and challenging the
> &gt; &gt; nonsense she&#39;s presenting as fact. I don&#39;t care how batshit crazy she
> &gt; &gt; is; if she lies about me in public, she&#39;s going to be called on it.
> &gt; &gt; The best thing I can do is get her to talk long enough for people to
> &gt; &gt; be clear on the fact that she&#39;s off her nut.
> &gt;
> &gt; But how long is &quot;long enough?&quot;
> &gt;
> &gt; Besides, when you willingly do battle with someone who is vastly
> &gt; inferior to you mentally, are you really &quot;challenging&quot; her nonsense -
> &gt; or making an even bigger spectacle out of it?
> &gt;
> &gt; Not looking to engage in any sort of heated debate on this,
> &gt; Patricia ... just offering a different view.  Maybe you should just
> &gt; move away from this train wreck.  It&#39;s probably not worth your time.
> &gt;
> &gt; Brenda
>
> Your comments are based on zero knowledge of the situation. You&#39;re
> the one who brought up doing &quot;battle&quot;; I said challenge her comments.
> And it&#39;s pretty easy to sit there and spout advice when you&#39;re not the

> one being lied about. Because I know from years of observation that if
> she were going from forum to forum telling whoppers about you, you

> wouldn&#39;t be taking quite such a Zen view of the situation.



On Wednesday, 11 July 2012 05:58:29 UTC+1, Patricia wrote:
> On Jul 10, 10:58 pm, Brenda M &lt;bmesku...@aol.com&gt; wrote:
> &gt; On Jul 10, 11:50 pm, Patricia &lt;pbutler...@aol.com&gt; wrote:
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; There&#39;s a big difference between making fun of her and challenging the
> &gt; &gt; nonsense she&#39;s presenting as fact. I don&#39;t care how batshit crazy she
> &gt; &gt; is; if she lies about me in public, she&#39;s going to be called on it.
> &gt; &gt; The best thing I can do is get her to talk long enough for people to
> &gt; &gt; be clear on the fact that she&#39;s off her nut.
> &gt;
> &gt; But how long is &quot;long enough?&quot;
> &gt;
> &gt; Besides, when you willingly do battle with someone who is vastly
> &gt; inferior to you mentally, are you really &quot;challenging&quot; her nonsense -
> &gt; or making an even bigger spectacle out of it?
> &gt;
> &gt; Not looking to engage in any sort of heated debate on this,
> &gt; Patricia ... just offering a different view.  Maybe you should just
> &gt; move away from this train wreck.  It&#39;s probably not worth your time.
> &gt;
> &gt; Brenda
>
> Your comments are based on zero knowledge of the situation. You&#39;re
> the one who brought up doing &quot;battle&quot;; I said challenge her comments.
> And it&#39;s pretty easy to sit there and spout advice when you&#39;re not the

> one being lied about. Because I know from years of observation that if
> she were going from forum to forum telling whoppers about you, you

> wouldn&#39;t be taking quite such a Zen view of the situation.



On Wednesday, 11 July 2012 05:58:29 UTC+1, Patricia wrote:
> On Jul 10, 10:58 pm, Brenda M &lt;bmesku...@aol.com&gt; wrote:
> &gt; On Jul 10, 11:50 pm, Patricia &lt;pbutler...@aol.com&gt; wrote:
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; There&#39;s a big difference between making fun of her and challenging the
> &gt; &gt; nonsense she&#39;s presenting as fact. I don&#39;t care how batshit crazy she
> &gt; &gt; is; if she lies about me in public, she&#39;s going to be called on it.
> &gt; &gt; The best thing I can do is get her to talk long enough for people to
> &gt; &gt; be clear on the fact that she&#39;s off her nut.
> &gt;
> &gt; But how long is &quot;long enough?&quot;
> &gt;
> &gt; Besides, when you willingly do battle with someone who is vastly
> &gt; inferior to you mentally, are you really &quot;challenging&quot; her nonsense -
> &gt; or making an even bigger spectacle out of it?
> &gt;
> &gt; Not looking to engage in any sort of heated debate on this,
> &gt; Patricia ... just offering a different view.  Maybe you should just
> &gt; move away from this train wreck.  It&#39;s probably not worth your time.
> &gt;
> &gt; Brenda
>
> Your comments are based on zero knowledge of the situation. You&#39;re
> the one who brought up doing &quot;battle&quot;; I said challenge her comments.
> And it&#39;s pretty easy to sit there and spout advice when you&#39;re not the

> one being lied about. Because I know from years of observation that if
> she were going from forum to forum telling whoppers about you, you

> wouldn&#39;t be taking quite such a Zen view of the situation.



On Wednesday, 11 July 2012 05:58:29 UTC+1, Patricia wrote:
> On Jul 10, 10:58 pm, Brenda M &lt;bmesku...@aol.com&gt; wrote:
> &gt; On Jul 10, 11:50 pm, Patricia &lt;pbutler...@aol.com&gt; wrote:
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; There&#39;s a big difference between making fun of her and challenging the
> &gt; &gt; nonsense she&#39;s presenting as fact. I don&#39;t care how batshit crazy she
> &gt; &gt; is; if she lies about me in public, she&#39;s going to be called on it.
> &gt; &gt; The best thing I can do is get her to talk long enough for people to
> &gt; &gt; be clear on the fact that she&#39;s off her nut.
> &gt;
> &gt; But how long is &quot;long enough?&quot;
> &gt;
> &gt; Besides, when you willingly do battle with someone who is vastly
> &gt; inferior to you mentally, are you really &quot;challenging&quot; her nonsense -
> &gt; or making an even bigger spectacle out of it?
> &gt;
> &gt; Not looking to engage in any sort of heated debate on this,
> &gt; Patricia ... just offering a different view.  Maybe you should just
> &gt; move away from this train wreck.  It&#39;s probably not worth your time.
> &gt;
> &gt; Brenda
>
> Your comments are based on zero knowledge of the situation. You&#39;re
> the one who brought up doing &quot;battle&quot;; I said challenge her comments.
> And it&#39;s pretty easy to sit there and spout advice when you&#39;re not the

> one being lied about. Because I know from years of observation that if
> she were going from forum to forum telling whoppers about you, you

> wouldn&#39;t be taking quite such a Zen view of the situation.



On Wednesday, 11 July 2012 05:58:29 UTC+1, Patricia wrote:
> On Jul 10, 10:58 pm, Brenda M &lt;bmesku...@aol.com&gt; wrote:
> &gt; On Jul 10, 11:50 pm, Patricia &lt;pbutler...@aol.com&gt; wrote:
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; There&#39;s a big difference between making fun of her and challenging the
> &gt; &gt; nonsense she&#39;s presenting as fact. I don&#39;t care how batshit crazy she
> &gt; &gt; is; if she lies about me in public, she&#39;s going to be called on it.
> &gt; &gt; The best thing I can do is get her to talk long enough for people to
> &gt; &gt; be clear on the fact that she&#39;s off her nut.
> &gt;
> &gt; But how long is &quot;long enough?&quot;
> &gt;
> &gt; Besides, when you willingly do battle with someone who is vastly
> &gt; inferior to you mentally, are you really &quot;challenging&quot; her nonsense -
> &gt; or making an even bigger spectacle out of it?
> &gt;
> &gt; Not looking to engage in any sort of heated debate on this,
> &gt; Patricia ... just offering a different view.  Maybe you should just
> &gt; move away from this train wreck.  It&#39;s probably not worth your time.
> &gt;
> &gt; Brenda
>
> Your comments are based on zero knowledge of the situation. You&#39;re
> the one who brought up doing &quot;battle&quot;; I said challenge her comments.
> And it&#39;s pretty easy to sit there and spout advice when you&#39;re not the

> one being lied about. Because I know from years of observation that if
> she were going from forum to forum telling whoppers about you, you

> wouldn&#39;t be taking quite such a Zen view of the situation.



On Wednesday, 11 July 2012 05:58:29 UTC+1, Patricia wrote:
> On Jul 10, 10:58 pm, Brenda M &lt;bmesku...@aol.com&gt; wrote:
> &gt; On Jul 10, 11:50 pm, Patricia &lt;pbutler...@aol.com&gt; wrote:
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; There&#39;s a big difference between making fun of her and challenging the
> &gt; &gt; nonsense she&#39;s presenting as fact. I don&#39;t care how batshit crazy she
> &gt; &gt; is; if she lies about me in public, she&#39;s going to be called on it.
> &gt; &gt; The best thing I can do is get her to talk long enough for people to
> &gt; &gt; be clear on the fact that she&#39;s off her nut.
> &gt;
> &gt; But how long is &quot;long enough?&quot;
> &gt;
> &gt; Besides, when you willingly do battle with someone who is vastly
> &gt; inferior to you mentally, are you really &quot;challenging&quot; her nonsense -
> &gt; or making an even bigger spectacle out of it?
> &gt;
> &gt; Not looking to engage in any sort of heated debate on this,
> &gt; Patricia ... just offering a different view.  Maybe you should just
> &gt; move away from this train wreck.  It&#39;s probably not worth your time.
> &gt;
> &gt; Brenda
>
> Your comments are based on zero knowledge of the situation. You&#39;re
> the one who brought up doing &quot;battle&quot;; I said challenge her comments.
> And it&#39;s pretty easy to sit there and spout advice when you&#39;re not the

> one being lied about. Because I know from years of observation that if
> she were going from forum to forum telling whoppers about you, you

> wouldn&#39;t be taking quite such a Zen view of the situation.

Patricia, and with respect for your opinions, I can understand your defending your position, which you have every right to do. However, with the quite obvious (to me) mental health issues this lady has, by challenging her, she will retaliate, and will usually go on to develop even worse stories and fabrications.

I am not speaking without knowing what I am talking about, I have in the past voluntarily worked in the MH field. Really the best way forward would be to simply sever any communication, do whatever you have to do, to stop her appearing in any of your internet areas.

In my experience engage with people so very unwell, you give them what they crave, attention.

I do hope the lady has professional people who are looking out for her.

[Patricia]

What discussion am I fueling? She's not here. If she's monitoring
this group and this thread, then she's certainly being unusually
circumspect by not responding at all. And considering the number of
people who responded to my query about this person saying that they
had had experiences with her, too, she's obviously not unknown. If
you've had no experiences with her, know nothing about her other than
what's been presented on this thread by others, then why are you even
responding? You're not contributing any new information, nor are you
giving any helpful advice. I started this thread because I'd never
heard of this person before she started contacting me. I appreciated
hearing from others who have had similar experiences with her. There
was, quite frankly, no need for you to chime in at all. It's not
absolutely necessary for you to be the queen of every thread, Brenda.
If you don't have anything useful to contribute, feel free to
contribute to the many other threads more relevant to you.

[Patricia]

On Jul 11, 4:56 am, KJM <ka...@kdaf.co.uk> wrote:

> Patricia, and with respect for your opinions, I can understand your defending your position, which you have every right to do.  However, with the quite obvious (to me) mental health issues this lady has, by challenging her, she will retaliate, and will usually go on to develop even worse stories and fabrications.

Yes, exactly. As I said before, no one was talking about trying to
engage her in a sensible debate. What I said was that I think it's
important to challenge the things these people say just enough so that
those who might be monitoring her posts can see by her responses that
she's not someone to be taken seriously. No one was talking about
"doing battle", or taunting her, or anything else. But if someone
states a lie as fact, it's important to at least let those who might
see her post and not know better know that the source is not reliable.
The best way to do that is not to say, "This source isn't reliable,"
but to let her talk long enough for her to make it that fact clear all
by herself.

[Brenda M]

Patricia,

Why are you bent on being so argumentative?

I'm merely presenting a different point of view, and in a perfectly
civil manner.
If you or anyone introduces a topic here, I'm free to comment on it
it, as is anyone else.

You are equally free to not respond or ignore it entirely, if you
wish.

Take it easy -

Brenda

[Totosmom]

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:38:33 PM UTC-7, NighDarke wrote:
> &gt; I&amp;#39;m not finding fault with what you did, but for me the question is why even bother to engage her? It&amp;#39;s obvious that she has &amp;quot;problems&amp;quot;, so why fuel the fire and egg her on? Seems kind of pointless as you won&amp;#39;t change her mind about what she believes to be true, as delusional as it is, and picking on the mentally ill is not nice.
> &gt;
> &gt; Bonnie
>
> The nuts need to be challenged from time to time so others can see them for what they are, and this one especially as she is, IMO, not only unstable but potentially dangerous. This nut really needs to be on the radar of Barry&#39;s security. As for her being mentally ill, I don&#39;t care. She runs her mouth publically, she can deal with the result. Perhaps if she didn&#39;t go around attacking others she wouldn&#39;t invite the attention.
>
> I dunno what setting she&#39;s altered, starn. Earlier I couldn&#39;t see her twitter anymore but now I can. However a friend of mine still can&#39;t. Twitter, it seems, is just as spazzy as Facebook.

If you feel that strongly about her being a possible threat then why not notify the people at Stilletto and let the professionals take care of it? They are used to, and better equiped to handle it, as they have had LOTS of experience dealing with crazy and unstable people in the past. I would not be at all surprised if they have known about her long before you did, and are keeping track of her right now.

Look, I'm no expert, but common sense tells me that if you agitate crazy, don't be surprised if they act on it and actually DO something crazy. That's all I'm saying.

Patricia....you have a different iron in the fire, as she went after you for no apparent reason. I understand your anger and your want to put a stop to what she is saying about you.

Bonnie

[dcsharon]

On Jul 10, 11:50 pm, Patricia <pbutler...@aol.com> wrote:


> There's a big difference between making fun of her and challenging the
> nonsense she's presenting as fact. I don't care how batshit crazy she
> is; if she lies about me in public, she's going to be called on it.
> The best thing I can do is get her to talk long enough for people to

> be clear on the fact that she's off her nut.- Hide quoted text -
>

If she lies about you in public ... then there are legal steps you
can take to clear your name. Anyone who engages with her within 5
sconds knows she's off her rocker -- so there was really no reason to
bring this over here. You can certainly tell who she is interacting
with by her tweets and posts on various other boards. After reading
what she's writing, I think Alt-fan is tame compared to what TPTB have
to deal with if there's more like her out there. She is clearly a
taco short of the combo platter and engaging her won't help. And
hopefully Ms. Lucas has changed her number (if she ever really did
talk to her). If your goal was to notify TPTB about her -- this
wasn't the venue to do it. Now you've drawn attention to her posts,
and people who are looking to dispute what she says might engage (and/
or enrage) her further.

It seems like you only show up when you are collecting fodder for a
book ... so let me guess -- you're next missive is about "batsh*t"
crazy fans? Surely there has to be another avenue of crazy fans that
can top anything we might try over here. I'd start with the crafy
Claymates -- they wipe Michael's Arts and Crafts out of supplies with
their photo bags, signs and decorated t-shirts :-) when Clay goes on
tour.


(DC) Sharon

[Brenda M]

Actually, before I sign off on this thread, let me just say this:

Patricia -

You're a writer. You put out a creative product and hope people will
buy it.
You're kinda like Barry in that regard.

So, naturally, you're going to encounter people who hate you and/or
your product. Some of those people may even be certifiably insane.

When that happens, I think you - like Barry or any other artist - has
to choose to either:

-- consult with your attorney, if you feel that's warranted,

Or

-- ignore it.

Going on different Internet forums and making an issue out of the
person's offenses (like you're doing here) accomplishes nothing.

Let me also point out that you wrote a book about Barry
Manilow, and in that book you included an entire chapter devoted to
nutty fans.

So ... When you choose to throw a spotlight on a nutty Manilow fan,
some fans are naturally going to question your motives.

Cheers,

Brenda

[Patricia]

I didn't bring any posts to anyone's attention, as there have been no
posts that I'm aware of. I asked if anyone here knows anything about
her because I've never heard of her before she started sending me
messages through my website. Someone else here -- not me -- mentioned
her Twitter postings. And I think "TPTB" are fully capable of dealing
with crazed fans all by themselves without any help from me. But, if
I did want to contact them, I can't think of any reason in the world
why I wouldn't just email Garry Kief rather than posting some obscure
message here and hoping he sees it at some point.

Sharon, you also have an option not to be a nasty, antagonistic bitch.
I just wanted to bring that to your attention, as you don't appear to
be aware that you do have a choice.

[Patricia]

Brenda, you're ridiculous. You simply cannot stand to be the center
of attention, for whatever reason. If someone is being bothered on
the internet, they certainly have more choices than "sue" or
"ignore." And what "different internet forums" have I gone on, and in
what way have I been "making an issue out of the person's offenses"?
I simply asked if anyone here knew of the person, and received helpful
replies from those who've dealt with her, as well as completely
pointless comments from you and Sharon. And I'm not sure why anyone
would question the motives of someone saying, "Has anyone ever heard
of this person?" unless it's someone who desperately tries to create
nastiness out of nothing because they're bored and have nothing of
actual interest or import to add to the conversation, and bitchy
accusations is there go-to position.

[Brenda M]

Patricia wrote:
>And I'm not sure why anyone
> would question the motives of someone saying, "Has anyone ever heard
> of this person?" unless it's someone who desperately tries to create
> nastiness out of nothing because they're bored and have nothing of
> actual interest or import to add to the conversation, and bitchy
> accusations is there go-to position.

You're right - I've grown totally bored with this thread.

So, shifting gears ...

Barry's going to be in your neck of the woods this weekend (provided
you still live in Chicago).

How fabulous, right?
Being the huge fan you are, I'm sure you won't miss it, and really
look forward to reading your review.

Hey - I'll be there too!
Let's meet up for a drink - c'mon, it'll be fun!


Brenda

[Patricia]

Yes, you do have a history of getting instantly "bored" with any
conversation the minute someone calls you on your bullshit. At least
you're consistent.

The last time you made an appointment to meet me somewhere, you never
bothered to show up or call. Even if I were interested in wasting any
of my time tolerating your company, you've proven to be both
unreliable and rude in such things, so, no thanks. But I'm sure
Barrry will be thrilled to see you. He's the guy you've repeatedly
said was sending you nasty, threatening letters, right? Yes, I'll bet
he can't wait to see you again. And again. And again. And...

[Brenda M]

Patricia wrote:
> of my time tolerating your company, you've proven to be both
> unreliable and rude in such things, so, no thanks. But I'm sure
> Barrry will be thrilled to see you. He's the guy you've repeatedly
> said was sending you nasty, threatening letters, right? Yes, I'll bet
> he can't wait to see you again. And again. And again. And...

ROFLMAO .... It was a JOKE, you idiot.

You're delightful ... Your bullshit never ceases to amuse.

But hey, I'm really sorry you won't be at the show. I would have
thought your restraining order would have expired by now.

Brenda

[Brenda M]

Oopsie, forgot my disclaimer on my last post:

"The last post was intended as a joke. I have no personal knowledge
of
Patricia Butler ever having received a restraining order, other legal
documentation, or even a "leave us the fuck alone!" From Barry's
management.

I think that about wraps up this season of the recurring HBO hit
series,
"The Pat and Brenda" show. :-)

And now really, I do need to shift gears. I'm about to see the
Greatest
Showman on Earth perform in The Greatest City on Earth, which = The
Greatest Time on Earth. (It's simple math, really!).

And too much TV melodrama will kill my buzz.

So - later, everybody! I'll check in again Friday night. :-)

Bren

[Patricia]

I know it was a joke. And I know you thought it was unbelievably
clever. I just thought it was another example of a completely stupid,
pointless, passive aggressive comment on your part designed to show
everyone, yet again, that NO ONE is a bigger fan than you are. NO
ONE.

But, Brenda, you've told us all several times that you pose such a
serious threat to the entire Manilow organization that Barry and his
operatives have sent you numerous threatening letters and emails. I
find it odd that you would be so excited and anxious to continue
supporting someone who, according to you, spends so much time and
energy thinking about you that he has set his entire organization
against you. Weird.

By the way, the topic of this thread, until you decided to highjack it
was another series of your classic 'LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!" posts was
Christine J. Sojka -- you know, that other lying, Manilow-obsessed
lunatic. And last we checked you had no information about her,
right? Right.

[dcsharon]

On Jul 11, 3:26 pm, Patricia <pbutler...@aol.com> wrote:

Hey Catwoman --

Where's the popcorn and beverages??? Aren't you in charge of
beverages and snacks in this establishment?

Make mine a double. :-)

(DC) Sharon

[NighDarke]

Well this thread total went off the rails. I've had plenty of experience with nutjobs in other fandoms, sometimes ignoring them is best and sometimes it isn't. Some of them become bold when ignored, they think no one has the guts to stand up to them and they become crazier and crazier.

This Sojka nut messaged ME on Twitter ranting about something I posted somewhere else. I responded ON Twitter. After a short exchange she ended up looking a total fool. At any rate, I made my point to her in that SHE backed away from ME, as apparently she has indeed blocked me now. I've blocked her in turn and will ignore her from this point forward unless she comes after me personally and steps over the line, at which point I will happily shove it back down her throat again.

I would imagine that ever since her run in with Garry on Twitter she has been on their radar. I wasn't saying they didn't know how to deal with nutjob fans, I simply said I hoped she WAS on their radar since I don't know for a fact that she is. For all we know Garry might have just laughed her off and forgotten she existed.

[Kittenmommy]

On Jul 6, 3:55 pm, NighDarke <nighda...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm having a bit of a run-in with her right now on Twitter.  She's
> major obsessed with Barry's sex life and she thinks he wants her to be
> his wife, she thinks her "intuition" lets her know with 100% certainty
> everything Barry feels, thinks, wants.  She never posts photos of
> herself either, she said she "has plans" and doesn't want anyone to
> know what she looks like.  I hope that Barry's security knows who she
> really is and they keep an eye out for her.   Her ramblings are rather
> scary to be honest, delusional and psychotic.   If she isn't in a
> mental institution somewhere now she sure needs to be.  And some
> wonder why Barry keeps the fans at arms length, why they don't get
> access to him anymore!  Gee, ones like HER ya think?  He can't take
> the chance.  I feel bad for him really.

That is some serious batshit insanity.

I hope Barry stays safe.

And I hope she gets the help she clearly needs. Because... wow. D:

[Kittenmommy]

On Jul 6, 4:17 pm, "shadowma...@gmail.com" <shadowma...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Christine also posts over at Barry's Topics message board. She
> mainly rambles on about sexual orentation. Why because she knows
> the truth. Plans like what? Making herself look drop dead gorgeous.
> Then what happens if Barry's not interested in her because he swings
> the other way.

Even if he bats for both teams, that doesn't mean he's going to find
this crazyperson at all attractive.

Wow.

[thenewl...@gmail.com]

On Friday, July 6, 2012 3:55:42 PM UTC-4, NighDarke wrote:
> On Jul 6, 1:29 pm, Patricia <pbutler...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Do any of you know or know of this person?

>
>
>
> I'm having a bit of a run-in with her right now on Twitter. She's
>
> major obsessed with Barry's sex life and she thinks he wants her to be
>

> his wife, she thinks her "intuition" lets her know with 100% certainty o.k. idiot,I SAID NOTHING ABOUT BARRY MANILOW WANTING ME TO BE HIS "WIFE."

[thenewl...@gmail.com]

[thenewl...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 8:16:21 PM UTC-4, NighDarke wrote:
> Well this thread total went off the rails. I've had plenty of experience with nutjobs in other fandoms, sometimes ignoring them is best and sometimes it isn't. Some of them become bold when ignored, they think no one has the guts to stand up to them and they become crazier and crazier.
>
>
>

> This Sojka nut messaged ME on Twitter ranting about something I posted somewhere else. I responded ON Twitter. After a short exchange she ended up looking a total fool. At any rate, I made my point to her in that SHE backed away from ME, as apparently she has indeed blocked me now. I've blocked her iturn and will ignore her from this point forward unless she comes aftpersonally and steps over the line, at which point I will happily shove it back down her throat again.
>
>
>
> I would imagine that ever since her run in with Garry on Twitter she has been on their radar. I wasn't saying they didn't know how to deal wiI simply said I hoped she WAS on their radar since I don't know for a fact that she is. For all we know Garry might have just laughed her off and forgotten she existed. I'VE HAD NO "RUN IN WITH GARRY KIEF" HE BLOCKED ME BECAUSE I TOLD BARRY MANILOW THAT HE SHOULD "DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM GARRY KIEF." BUT BARRY MANILOW WILL KEEP GARRY KIEF ON AS AN AGENT BECAUSE GARRY KIEF IS IS GOOD AT GETTING BARRY MANILOW THOSE GIGS THAT FEED HIS ATTENSION ADDICTION.AND YOU CLOWNALOWS ARE ALL JUST BEING USED TO GIVE BARRY MANILOW ATTENSION.THEN BARRY MANILOW WANTS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF YOU.GAY STRAIGHT OR OTHERWIZE.(BTW,TO A PERSON WHO WAS REALLY GAY,THE STATUS ISSUE WOULD MAKE NO DIFFERENCE.ONCE ANDY WARHOL WAS FAMOUS HE'D PICK UP A CUTE CAB DRIVER OFF OF THE STREET.THE STATUS ISSUE MEANT NOTHING TO HIM.BUT ANDY WARHOL WAS REALLY GAY.NOT AN IMMAGINARY GAY LIKE BARRY MANILOW.IF BARRY MANILOW WERE GAY THE PROOF WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE MAINSTREAM PRESS YEARS AGO.NO ONE WOULD REMAIN SILENT IF THEY HAD HAD SEX WITH SOMEONE AS FAMOUS AS BARRY MANILOW).

[thenewl...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 3:33:35 PM UTC-4, dcsharon wrote:
> On Jul 11, 3:26 pm, Patricia <pbutler...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hey Catwoman --
>
>
>
> Where's the popcorn and beverages??? Aren't you in charge of
>

> beverages and snacks in this establishment? PATRICIA BUTLER,WHY DONT YOU BECOME A PROFFESSIONAL BIOGRAPHER & STOP POSTING IN THESE FORUMS.YOU CAN BET THAT ANDREW MORTON WOULDN'T WASTE HIS TIME POSTING IN THESE FORUMS.BUT THEN HE'S A REAL BIOGRAPHER.

[thenewl...@gmail.com]

> > beverages and snacks in this establishment? PATRICIA BUTLER,WHY DONT YOU BECOME A PROFFESSIONAL BIOGRAPHER & STOP POSTING IN THESE FORUMS.YOU CAN BET THAT ANDREW MORTON WOULDN'T WASTE HIS TIME POSTING IN THESE FORUMS.BUT THEN HE'S A REAL BIOGRAPHER. BTW,WHY DONT YOU GOOGLE: LAURA DAY,DR.JUDITH ORLOFF P.H.D.,GERD GIGERENZER,MONA LISA SCHULTZ,OPRAH WINFREY,JIM CARREY,KIM BASSINGER,ALBERT EINSTEIN.ALL OF THESE PEOPLE KNOW THAT INTUITION IS A RESEARCHED SCIENCE.ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT OPRAH WINFREY'S CRAZY TOO? NOT LIKELY.OPRAH'S NOT CRAZY.YOU & ALL THE REST OF THOSE BARRY MANILOW FANS (I'M NOT ONE OF THEM.I'M NO ONE'S FAN BUT MY OWN)ARE JUST THICK IN THE HEAD.YOU'RE OUT OF IT!(IMAGINE THINKING THAT JIM MORRISON WAS BISEXUAL.TALKING ABOUT A BAD JUDGE OF CHARACTER).& BTW,BARRY MANILOW ISN'T REJECTING HIS FANS (OF EITHER SEX) BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.HE'S REJECTING THEM BECAUSE HE'S WEAK MINDED & STATUS CONSCIOUS.BUT A REAL GAY MAN (NOT AN IMAGINARY GAY LIKE BARRY MANILOW) WOULDN'T CARE ABOUT THE STATUS ISSUE.AFTER ANDY WARHOL BECAME A FAMOUS ARTIST HE WOULD PICK UP A CUTE CAB DRIVER.ANDY WARHOL CARED NOTHING ABOUT THE STATUS ISSUE.NEITHER DOES JOHN BARLOW.BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE ARE REALLY GAY.BARRY MANILOW ISN'T GAY AT ALL.IF HE WERE GAY THE PROOF WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE MAINSTREAM PRESS YEARS AGO.LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO JOHN TRAVOLTA.THOSE PEOPLE CAME FORWARD IN THE MAINSTREAM PRESS WITH SOME TYPE OF PROOF BEFORE JOHN TRAVOLTA IS 55 YRS OLD.BARRY MANILOW IS 70 YEARS OLD & STILL NO GAY MAN HAS EVER BEEN IN THE MAINSTREAM PRESS WITH THE SLIGHTEST PROOF THAT THEY EVEN DATED BARRY MANILOW.BUT WE HAVE TONS OF PROOF THAT BARRY MANILOW DATED & HAD SEX WITH MANY GIRLS.:SUSAN DEIXLER,2 UNKNOWN GIRLS BARRY MANILOW BROUGHT TO HIS APT. IN BROOKLYN,LINDA ALLEN,LORNA LUFT,MELISSA MANCHESTER,ADRIENNE ANDERSON,STRIPPER FANNIE FOX,LORRAINE MAZZOLA,ROBERTA KENT,MORGAN FAIRCHILD & ANNA MARIA KAUFMAN.ASK THOSE GIRLS WHAT BARRY MANILOW'S LIKE.THEY'LL TELL YOU HE'S A REAL STUD.JUST READ WHAT LORNA LUFT SAYS ABOUT BARRY MANILOW IN HER AUTOBIOGRAPHY.BARRY MANILOW & HER WERE PRACTICALLY LIVING TOGETHER FOR SIX MONTHS BACK IN 1971 IN HIS APARTMENT IN N.Y.C..SHE SAID NOTHING ABOUT BARRY MANILOW BEING GAY.SHE SAID NOTHING ABOUT BARRY MANILOW "FREQUENTING GAY BARS."LORNA LUFT SPOKE ABOUT HER RELATIONSHIP WITH BARRY MANILOW LIKE IT WAS IDEAL.EVERY FACT THAT LORNA LUFT STATES IN HER AUTOBIOGRAPHY ABOUT HER RELATIONSHIP WITH BARRY MANILOW TOTALLY CHECKS OUT WITH OTHER U.S. PUBLIC RECORDS.ALSO BARRY MANILOW & LORNA LUFT ARE NOW SUCH GOOD FRIENDS THAT THERE'S NO WAY THAT SHE'S BLACKMAILING HIM.BTW,WHAT A GUY DOES WITH ONE FEMALE HE DATES HE'LL DO WITH ALL THE FEMALES HE DATES.THAT MEANS BARRY MANILOW HAD SEX WITH ALL THE ABOVE MENTIONED GIRLS.& IT REALLY SHOWS IN THE BODYLANGUAGE IN PICTURES OF BARRY MANILOW & ALL THE ABOVE MENTIONED GIRLS.YOU SHOULD SEE HOW HOT BARRY MANILOW LOOKS WITH THAT GIRL ANNA MARIA KAUFMAN!I CAN GUARANTEE YOU HE WAS HAVING SEX WITH THAT ONE! TO EVERYONE IN THIS FORUM: GET WITH THE PROGRAM! GET WITH INTUITION! OPRAH WINFREY,LAURA DAY,DR,JUDITH ORLOFF,GERD GIGERENZER,MONA LISA SCHULTZ,JIM CARREY,KIM BASSINGER,ALBERT EINSTEIN & MANY,MANY OTHER PEOPLE AGREE WITH ME 100% ON THIS!

[starn...@earthlink.net]

uh-oh. Only took about four months, but she found us!!lol.
CA SHaron

[Kittenmommy]

What is this I don't even.

[dcsharon]

On Nov 4, 9:17 pm, starns0...@earthlink.net wrote:

> uh-oh. Only took about four months, but she found us!!lol.
> CA SHaron

And who do we have to thank for this?

Oh .... yea. Butler.

Go figure.

(DC) Sharon

[bookworm]

Oh please - not this again! Remember not to feed the trolls as it just encourages them to continue. If they are ignored, they will eventually go away because they are not getting the attention they crave.

[thenewl...@gmail.com]

On Friday, July 6, 2012 3:13:12 PM UTC-4, denise....@gmail.com wrote:

> On Friday, 6 July 2012 19:29:21 UTC+1, Patricia wrote:
>
> > Do any of you know or know of this person?
>
>
>

> My earlier reply hasn't yet shown up so I'll try again.
>
> I googled her and found she has been involved in discussions re Star Trek and Brent Spiner on various boards.

to junie,I grimace when i see something that YOU'VE posted.WHAT A THICKO YOU ARE! OTHERWIZE YOU'D KNOW I'M RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING! THE DUNCE ALWAYS CALLS THE GENIUS CRAZY.

[thenewl...@gmail.com]

On Friday, July 6, 2012 4:42:22 PM UTC-4, Brenda M wrote:

> NighDarke wrote:
>
> If she isn't in a
>
> > mental institution somewhere now she sure needs to be. And some
>
> > wonder why Barry keeps the fans at arms length, why they don't get
>
> > access to him anymore!
>
>
>

> Except when they shell out for platinums.
>
>
>
> It always makes me nervous that any nutball can buy one of those
>
> things.

>
>
>
>
>
> Gee, ones like HER ya think? He can't take
>
> > the chance. I feel bad for him really.
>
>
>

> Honestly, I don't think I do. Nutty fans are an unfortunate reality
>
> for anyone who's had as much fame as
>
> Barry. That's just one more reason why he makes the big bucks. :-)
>
>
>
>
>
> Brenda barry keeps the fans at arms' length because he's a TWERP. a REAL man would screw the ass off of as many of you fatheads as possible!

[thenewl...@gmail.com]

On Friday, July 6, 2012 2:29:21 PM UTC-4, Patricia wrote:
> Do any of you know or know of this person?

i'm NOT A FAN OF BARRY MANILOW'S! I JUST SEE BARRY MANILOW AS A CELEBRITY TO USE TO MAKE MYSELF FAMOUS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.CELEBS ARE JUST TO BE USED TO GET ONE'S 15 MINUTES.THEY'LL ONLY USE YOU.YOU SHOULD USE THEM.

[thenewl...@gmail.com]

THAT'S HOW STUPID YOU ARE! FEELING BAD FOR SOMEONE WHO DRIVES AROUND IN A PORSCHE!

[thenewl...@gmail.com]

it took four months for me to find you because i have better things to do than waste my time talking to you retards.I HAVE A LIFE! YALL' SHOULD TRY GETTING A LIFE!

[thenewl...@gmail.com]

On Friday, July 6, 2012 2:29:21 PM UTC-4, Patricia wrote:
> Do any of you know or know of this person?

about the "threatening letters" brenda is supposedly getting.:it just goes to show you that brenda's too dumb to have them charged with criminal harrassment.typical fanilow.no life skills.

[thenewl...@gmail.com]

On Friday, July 6, 2012 3:11:10 PM UTC-4, Junie wrote:

> On Friday, July 6, 2012 1:29:21 PM UTC-5, Patricia wrote:
>
> > Do any of you know or know of this person?
>
>
>

> I've seen her rantings. Seems completely certifiable to me. I grimace when I come across something she writes. Someone should take the keyboard away from her.

WHAT WOULD YOU KNOW ABOUT ANYTHING,JUNIE? YOU'RE A CLOWNALOW!

[Kittenmommy]

Sorry. I was just overwhelmed (and possibly even a bit awed) at that
solid wall of Grade A Batshit that spewed forth from her keyboard.
Truly, it is an amazing sight to see!

[thenewl...@gmail.com]

On Friday, July 6, 2012 3:55:42 PM UTC-4, NighDarke wrote:

> On Jul 6, 1:29 pm, Patricia <pbutler...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Do any of you know or know of this person?
>
>
>

> I'm having a bit of a run-in with her right now on Twitter. She's
>
> major obsessed with Barry's sex life and she thinks he wants her to be
>
> his wife, she thinks her "intuition" lets her know with 100% certainty
>

> everything Barry feels, thinks, wants. She never posts photos of
>
> herself either, she said she "has plans" and doesn't want anyone to
>
> know what she looks like. I hope that Barry's security knows who she
>
> really is and they keep an eye out for her. Her ramblings are rather
>

> scary to be honest, delusional and psychotic. If she isn't in a

>
> mental institution somewhere now she sure needs to be. And some
>
> wonder why Barry keeps the fans at arms length, why they don't get
>

> access to him anymore! Gee, ones like HER ya think? He can't take

>
> the chance. I feel bad for him really.

I feel bad for YOU really.YOU'RE BARRY MANILOW'S ASSWIPE!

[thenewl...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 10:24:13 PM UTC-4, Kittenmommy wrote:
> On Jul 6, 4:17 pm, "shadowma...@gmail.com" <shadowma...@gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Christine also posts over at Barry's Topics message board. She
>
> > mainly rambles on about sexual orentation. Why because she knows
>
> > the truth. Plans like what? Making herself look drop dead gorgeous.
>
> > Then what happens if Barry's not interested in her because he swings
>

> > the other way. i have news for you,"kittenmommy.:barry manilow doesn't date people because he finds them attractive.BARRY MANILOW DATES PEOPLE HE COULD CARE LESS ABOUT TO GET PUBLICITY.WHAT DO YOU THINK HE WANTED WITH BRITNEY SPEARS?WHAT DO YOU THINK HE WANTED WITH MORGAN FAIRCHILD? i'm not saying that he wouldn't have sex with those girls.quite the contrary.but barry manilow's an attension addict & a fame whore.if you dont know what a "fame whore" is you can just google it.you'll find that a lot of other people know what that is.you'll find that barry manilow only swings ONE way.:HE'S STRAIGHT.AS IN HETROSEXUAL.NO GAY MAN HAS EVER COME FORWARD WITH THE SLIGHTEST PROOF THAT HE EVEN DATED BARRY MANILOW.& NO ONE WOULD REMAIN QUIET IF THEY HAD HAD SEX WITH SOMEONE AS FAMOUS AS BARRY MANILOW.the press would pay a LOT of money for that story if any gay man could prove it.but still EVERY WEEK i check the entire mainstream press & STILL NO GAY MAN COMES FORWARD WITH THE SLIGHTEST BIT OF PROOF THAT THEY EVEN DATED BARRY MANILOW.the national enquirer published an article this week called "who's gay & who's not." i read the ENTIRE article.I FOUND NOT ONE WORD ABOUT BARRY MANILOW BEING GAY.AGAIN!face it.BARRY MANILOW ISN'T GAY.IT'S UNSUBSTANSIATED IN THE PRESS!BARRY MANILOW IS NARCISSISTIC NOT GAY! BARRY MANILOW IS THE MAINSTEAM VERSION OF BRIAN ENO.BRIAN ENO IS ALSO NARCISSISTIC NOT GAY! (i got to know brian eno well.i can verify this).btw,actor brent spiner is ALSO NARCISSISTIC NOT GAY! i got to know brent spiner WELL over the past few years.i can verify this also.barry manilow's behavior patterns are REMARKABLY SIMILAR to brent spiner's & brian eno's behavior patterns.btw if you google:brian eno roxy music you'll see pictures of eno from back then.someone like you would SWEAR that eno's gay just from looking at those pictures.BUT HE'S NOT.ANYONE WHO KNOWS ENO WELL CAN TELL YOU THIS.the same goes for david bowie,the rock/pop star prince & justin bieber.i have halfwitts out there trying to tell me that justin bieber's gay also.just because he wears make up & flashy clothes.but if a male wears make up & flashy clothes in the context of a pop star IT MEANS NOTHING.JUSTIN BIEBER IS JUST A WUSSY PUSSY FAME WHORE.you'll find that justin bieber doesn't have that much affection for ANYONE.JUSTIN BIEBER'S JUST DOING A PHONEY EMPTY SHOW FOR THE CAMERAS.however,it's possible that one day in the future justin bieber might PRETEND TO BE GAY TO GET PUBLICITY.LIKE ANNE HECHE DID.LIKE JOHN TRAVOLTA DID.but justin bieber's going to avoid going that route.JUSTIN BIEBER'S TOO WHOLESOME FOR THAT.another thing you should know is that THE ONLY PERSON BARRY MANILOW'S IN LOVE WITH IS HIMSELF.THAT'S THE ONLY PERSON HE'S CAPEABLE OF BEING IN LOVE WITH.BARRY MANILOW'S NARCISSISTIC.A NARCISSISTIC PERSON'S LIBEDO TURNS IN ON ITSELF.HE CANT TURN HIS LIBEDO OUTWARD.HE CANT FIXATE ON ANYONE ELSE BUT HIMSELF EMOTIONALLY.THAT'S WHAT TRULY NARCISSISTIC PEOPLE ARE LIKE.& BARRY MANILOW IS TRULY NARCISSISTIC.narcissistic people aren't able to become emotionally attatched to other people as adults.IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHAT THEIR SEX IS EITHER.NARCISSISTIC PEOPLE ARE JUST USERS.BARRY MANILOW IS JUST USING YALL' TO FEED HIS ATTENSION ADDICTION & BUY HIS CDS.then outside of that barry manilow wants nothing to do with ANY of you!IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHAT SEX YOU ARE . on another note,about my "plans.":my plans are for my art career which i really must get back to so goodbye for now.

[thenewl...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 10:56:28 PM UTC-4, Patricia wrote:
> On Jul 10, 9:01 pm, Totosmom <BGCh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Monday, July 9, 2012 10:59:27 PM UTC-7, NighDarke wrote:
>
> > > After a lively "debate" with me on Twitter which she was losing horribly and looking a total fool, she has now 'protected' her tweets and closed off her Twitter to anyone she hasn't approved to follow her.  After of course going on a last rant toward me, which I now can't respond to.  Can we say "coward" kiddies?  Looks like the nutbag loser couldn't deal with someone who saw her BS for what it was.  At least now there will be less of her insane diatribe out in public view :) patricia butler if you are accusing me of arguing with me on twitter THAT'S JUST YOU LIEING AGAIN.I HAVE NEVER SPOKEN TO YOU ON TWITTER.JUST GO CHECK MY TWEETS.I'VE ONLY EVER SPOKEN TO YOU ON YOUR WEBPAGE.
>
> >
>
> > I'm not finding fault with what you did, but for me the question is why even bother to engage her?  It's obvious that she has "problems", so why fuel the fire and egg her on?  Seems kind of pointless as you won't change her mind about what she believes to be true, as delusional as it is, and picking on the mentally ill is not nice.
>
> >
>
> > Bonnie
>
>
>
> I agree with Nigh. If this person were just spouting general nonsense,
>
> then fine -- let her spout. But when she's targeting specific (real)
>
> people and passing along misinformation about them as though it were
>
> gospel truth, it's important that she be challenged enough so that
>
> those who are seeing her comments and may not know better can see and
>
> understand that her comments need to be viewed with extreme skepticism.

[thenewl...@gmail.com]

On Monday, November 5, 2012 9:10:35 PM UTC-5, thenewl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, July 6, 2012 3:55:42 PM UTC-4, NighDarke wrote:
>
> > On Jul 6, 1:29 pm, Patricia <pbutler...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > Do any of you know or know of this person?
>

> > i cant tell you EVERYTHING that barry manilow's thinking at any given time.instead i can give you a PERSONALITY PROFILE of barry manilow that's 100% accurate & sharp as a tack.i'm NOT a delusional person.YOU'RE a delusional person.&YOU NEVER OFFER THE SLIGHTEST BIT OF EVIDENCE TO PROVE YOUR DELUSIONS.I REST MY CASE.

[thenewl...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, July 7, 2012 1:22:02 PM UTC-4, Patricia wrote:
> On Jul 7, 12:09 pm, KJM <ka...@kdaf.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, 7 July 2012 17:20:35 UTC+1, Patricia  wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 7, 7:13 am, KJM <ka...@kdaf.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > On Saturday, 7 July 2012 12:51:43 UTC+1, Brenda M  wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 7, 12:47 am, Patricia
>
> > > > >  wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jul 6, 10:22 pm, starns0...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > > > > > On Friday, July 6, 2012 7:47:50 PM UTC-7, Patricia wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Jul 6, 9:30 pm, NighDarke <nighda...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > So YOUR the latest lucky one to interact with her. lol Give it up; it's no use.
>
> >
>
> > > > > > > > > I'm about to block her, yeah.
>
> >
>
> > > > > > > > > > I just read about 2 months worth of her ramblings, and I don't see where she wants to be his wife.
>
> >
>
> > > > > > > > > LOL, you didn't go back far enough, it's there.  But it's the other way around, She believes Barry wants her to be his wife.  Then she rambles on about wanting to use Barry to be famous herself cause all she cares about is being famous any way she can.  I'm not so sure she's not dangerous, she's obviously psychotic. o.k.idiot again I SAID NOTHING ABOUT BARRY MANILOW WANTING ME TO BE HIS WIFE.BTW.WHERE ON EARTH DID YOU FIND THIS SUPPOSED STATEMENT OF MINE?&* I DONT RAMBLE.I STATE THINGS IN A VERY CLEAR & NO NONSENSE WAY.
>
> >
>
> > > > > > > > There really is a dangerous undercurrent in her ramblings. When she
>
> > > > > > > > told me about this phone call she supposedly had with Jeanne Lucas she
>
> > > > > > > > included Jeanne's phone number.  Made me pretty happy I'm unlisted.
>
> >
>
> > > > > > > For once, I agree with Patricia. This woman's writings are seriously disturbing. Not just in a rabid fan way. I hope someone has her on their radar.
>
> > > > > > > CA Sharon
>
> >
>
> > > > > > Well, she did give me permission to perform a brain scan:
>
> >
>
> > > > > > "also you should know that i give permission for an FMRI brain scan to
>
> > > > > > be done
>
> > > > > > on me to PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT THAT WHAT I JUST TOLD YOU
>
> > > > > > ABOUT WHAT JEANNE LUCAS TOLD ME IS TRUE.MRI AND FMRI brain scans can
>
> > > > > > PROVE CONCLUSIVELY if a person is lying or not if the MRI or FMRI is
>
> > > > > > interpreted by an expert in interpreting MRI and FMRI.that's because
>
> > > > > > the brain looks physically different when someone is lying than it
>
> > > > > > looks when someone is telling the truth."
>
> >
>
> > > > > I think somebody needs to scan my brain for bleeds after trying to
>
> > > > > read that.
>
> >
>
> > > > > (If you do scan her brain, please see if the part that's in charge of
>
> > > > > punctuation is still intact. I'm guessing it was removed during the
>
> > > > > lobotomy.)
>
> >
>
> > > > > Brenda
>
> >
>
> > > > I am virtually speechless.   I find it so very sad tbh, obviously some major help needed.
>
> >
>
> > > > I really hope that cutting and pasting conversations is not carried out any further from elsewhere, it really will serve no purpose here, only serve to atagonise.
>
> >
>
> > > > Best left alone people, really.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> >
>
> > > Who would it be antagonizing?  She gave me permission to make her
>
> > > messages public.
>
> >
>
> > Patrica with respect, maybe she did, but that does not mean you, or anyone else has to take her up on the offer does it?  Obviously a very volatile lady, who does not need to be encouraged with another public platform IMO.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
>
>
> That's fine. But posting something on this group doesn't hold the
>
> power to summon her by some silent signal only she can hear. If she
>
> were interested in posting here, I think she'd already be doing it,
>
> regardless of whether people were first discussing her or not. As
>
> strongly as she appears to feel on the topic of Barry Manilow, she
>
> must have a reason for not expressing those feelings here.

[thenewl...@gmail.com]

On Friday, July 6, 2012 5:05:39 PM UTC-4, Diane wrote:
> I hope that Barry's security knows who she
>
> > really is and they keep an eye out for her. Her ramblings are rather
>
> > scary to be honest, delusional and psychotic. If she isn't in a
>
> > mental institution somewhere now she sure needs to be. And some
>
> > wonder why Barry keeps the fans at arms length, why they don't get
>
> > access to him anymore! Gee, ones like HER ya think? He can't take
>
> > the chance. I feel bad for him really.
>
>
>

> A friend brought this woman's Twitter account to my attention a few months ago. What a lunatic. I know she's included Garry Kief in some of her crazy tweets so they must be aware of her and her ramblings. I doubt she's any kind of a security risk.
>
> Diane
i have news for you diane,garry kief doesn't think i'm "delusional & psychotic." in fact a month or two after i started tweeting garry kief he found two of my tweets so clever THAT HE FOLLOWED ME & FAVORITED THOSE TWO TWEETS.THE PROOF OF THIS CAN STILL BE FOUND ONLINE.it's only later when i said something to piss garry kief off that he blocked me.however i knew he WOULD block me.& I'M PROUD THAT HE BLOCKED ME.IT'S NICE TO HAVE ENEMIES IN HIGH PLACES.

[thenewl...@gmail.com]

On Friday, July 6, 2012 8:55:35 PM UTC-4, Brenda M wrote:
> On Jul 6, 7:58 pm, Diane <pnks...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >
>
> > Oh no.  I don't see how posting any of her crap here would be a good plan at all.  She posts on a few of these forums and I'm sure someone would let her know you'd posted her words here.  It's just an invitation for her to come here and start her crazy rantings and ravings.  Why even encourage her to bring that stupid crap to this forum?
>
> > Diane
>
>
>
>
>
> What's that line I love from "As Good As It Gets"?
>
>
>
> Oh yeah ...brenda,GO SELL RETARDED SOMEPLACE ELSE.(except for me)YOUR ALL STOCKED UP HERE.
>
>
>
> "Go sell crazy someplace else. We're all stocked up here."
>
>
>
> (I so love that movie!)
>
>
>
> Brenda