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H�gar
Jul 21, 2012, 2:47:58 PM7/21/12
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So the old adage "for every action there is an equal and opposite
reaction" holds true for current flowing through a conductor ...
who woulda thunk .... H�gar.
Scientists have finally cracked a decades-old spaceflight riddle, figuring
out why NASA's Pioneer 10 and 11 probes began to slow mysteriously as they
sped far from the sun.
The cause of the so-called "Pioneer Anomaly," it turns out, is heat coming
from the electrical current flowing through the probes' instrument and power
systems. This heat pushed back on the spacecraft, causing them to decelerate
slightly, according to a new study.
"The effect is something like when you're driving a car and the photons from
your headlights are pushing you backward," lead author Slava Turyshev, of
NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, Calif., said in a
statement. "It is very subtle."
Decelerating spacecraft
Pioneer 10 and Pioneer 11 launched in 1972 and 1973, respectively. They were
the first spacecraft to fly through the main asteroid belt, and the first to
study Jupiter up-close. The probes kept on cruising after their Jupiter
encounters, speeding toward Saturn and beyond. [A Photo Tour of the Planets]
Pioneer 10 and 11 will eventually exit the solar system, but they likely
won't be the first to do so. Scientists think the Voyager 1 spacecraft,
which is about 11.1 billion miles (17.8 billion kilometers) from Earth, may
leave our cosmic neighborhood any day now.
In the early 1980s, mission scientists noticed that the spacecraft were
slowing down unexpectedly. But they dismissed this as a transient phenomenon
resulting from dribbles of propellant left in the probes' lines, researchers
said.
The issue didn't go away, however. In 1998, when Pioneer 10 and 11 were more
than 8 billion miles (13 billion km) from the sun, a team of researchers
calculated that the spacecraft were declerating at a rate of about 300
inches per day squared (0.9 nanometers per second squared).
The scientists couldn't explain the slight slowdown, so they raised the
possibility that some new type of physics that contradicted Albert
Einstein's general theory of relativity may be responsible.
Digging through the data
In 2004, Turyshev started trying to get to the bottom of the Pioneer
Anomaly. He couldn't rely on any new data, because the two spacecraft had
stopped communicating with Earth; scientists last received a signal from
Pioneer 10 in 2003 and Pioneer 11 in 1995.
So Turyshev and his colleagues searched through old Pioneer communications
and data, copying digitized files from JPL navigators who helped steer the
Pioneers and receiving more information from other NASA centers.
They also found more than a dozen boxes of magnetic tapes stored under a
staircase at JPL, researchers said, and worked with a Canadian programmer to
create software that could read the tapes and clean up Pioneer data.
In the end, Turyshev and his team collected more than 43 gigabytes of
information, which may not seem like much now but was a huge trove for the
1970s.
After poring over all this information, the scientists were able to trace
the Pioneer Anomaly to the heat coming from the spacecraft's power and
electrical systems. Further, they determined that the issue wasn't affecting
other spacecraft nearly as much, mostly because of differences in design.
"The story is finding its conclusion because it turns out that standard
physics prevail," Turyshev said. "While of course it would've been exciting
to discover a new kind of physics, we did solve a mystery."
The study was published June 12 in the journal Physical Review Letters.
reaction" holds true for current flowing through a conductor ...
who woulda thunk .... H�gar.
Scientists have finally cracked a decades-old spaceflight riddle, figuring
out why NASA's Pioneer 10 and 11 probes began to slow mysteriously as they
sped far from the sun.
The cause of the so-called "Pioneer Anomaly," it turns out, is heat coming
from the electrical current flowing through the probes' instrument and power
systems. This heat pushed back on the spacecraft, causing them to decelerate
slightly, according to a new study.
"The effect is something like when you're driving a car and the photons from
your headlights are pushing you backward," lead author Slava Turyshev, of
NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, Calif., said in a
statement. "It is very subtle."
Decelerating spacecraft
Pioneer 10 and Pioneer 11 launched in 1972 and 1973, respectively. They were
the first spacecraft to fly through the main asteroid belt, and the first to
study Jupiter up-close. The probes kept on cruising after their Jupiter
encounters, speeding toward Saturn and beyond. [A Photo Tour of the Planets]
Pioneer 10 and 11 will eventually exit the solar system, but they likely
won't be the first to do so. Scientists think the Voyager 1 spacecraft,
which is about 11.1 billion miles (17.8 billion kilometers) from Earth, may
leave our cosmic neighborhood any day now.
In the early 1980s, mission scientists noticed that the spacecraft were
slowing down unexpectedly. But they dismissed this as a transient phenomenon
resulting from dribbles of propellant left in the probes' lines, researchers
said.
The issue didn't go away, however. In 1998, when Pioneer 10 and 11 were more
than 8 billion miles (13 billion km) from the sun, a team of researchers
calculated that the spacecraft were declerating at a rate of about 300
inches per day squared (0.9 nanometers per second squared).
The scientists couldn't explain the slight slowdown, so they raised the
possibility that some new type of physics that contradicted Albert
Einstein's general theory of relativity may be responsible.
Digging through the data
In 2004, Turyshev started trying to get to the bottom of the Pioneer
Anomaly. He couldn't rely on any new data, because the two spacecraft had
stopped communicating with Earth; scientists last received a signal from
Pioneer 10 in 2003 and Pioneer 11 in 1995.
So Turyshev and his colleagues searched through old Pioneer communications
and data, copying digitized files from JPL navigators who helped steer the
Pioneers and receiving more information from other NASA centers.
They also found more than a dozen boxes of magnetic tapes stored under a
staircase at JPL, researchers said, and worked with a Canadian programmer to
create software that could read the tapes and clean up Pioneer data.
In the end, Turyshev and his team collected more than 43 gigabytes of
information, which may not seem like much now but was a huge trove for the
1970s.
After poring over all this information, the scientists were able to trace
the Pioneer Anomaly to the heat coming from the spacecraft's power and
electrical systems. Further, they determined that the issue wasn't affecting
other spacecraft nearly as much, mostly because of differences in design.
"The story is finding its conclusion because it turns out that standard
physics prevail," Turyshev said. "While of course it would've been exciting
to discover a new kind of physics, we did solve a mystery."
The study was published June 12 in the journal Physical Review Letters.
Brad Guth
Jul 21, 2012, 4:44:56 PM7/21/12
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On Jul 21, 11:47 am, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> So the old adage "for every action there is an equal and opposite
> reaction" holds true for current flowing through a conductor ...
> who woulda thunk .... Hägar.
> So the old adage "for every action there is an equal and opposite
> reaction" holds true for current flowing through a conductor ...
H�gar
Jul 21, 2012, 5:07:47 PM7/21/12
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On Jul 21, 11:47 am, "H�gar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> So the old adage "for every action there is an equal and opposite
> reaction" holds true for current flowing through a conductor ...
> who woulda thunk .... H�gar.
> So the old adage "for every action there is an equal and opposite
> reaction" holds true for current flowing through a conductor ...
< snip >
> The study was published June 12 in the journal Physical
> Review Letters.
The heat given off was directional?
For dumb-ass Guthball:
What they are saying is that the power supply is located on one side of the
craft, thus that side radiates heat radially from the craft whereas the
other side of the power supply radiates the same amount of heat, but id is
distributed evenly within the craft, thus minimizing radiation compared to
the side closest.
If you still don't get it, let me know and I'll draw you a picture ...
oops, bad call ... I haven't used any crayons in ages.
Notroll2012
Jul 21, 2012, 5:49:59 PM7/21/12
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Yeah they don't allow crayons in cracker daycare because all of you little
fuckers eat them.
Brad Guth
Jul 21, 2012, 6:35:37 PM7/21/12
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On Jul 21, 2:07 pm, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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How about all the geothermal photon mass coming from Venus, as mostly
exiting away from the nighttime seasonal side because of all that
pesky greenhouse sunlight influx of photons that’s pushing hard upon
its daytime side?
Apparently those natural geology rules for the extremely nearby planet
Venus are entirely different than any other planet or moon. Go figure
how those continually opposed to anything that isn't insider Oligarch
approved, are also required and/or compelled to topic/author stalk and
bash at this one and at anything else I might have to offer, for all
the Semitic approved hate and disparagement they and their fellow
Atheists can muster.
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Other thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
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> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:5de22431-7eee-4e93...@w6g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 21, 11:47 am, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > So the old adage "for every action there is an equal and opposite
> > reaction" holds true for current flowing through a conductor ...
> > who woulda thunk .... Hägar.
>
> > So the old adage "for every action there is an equal and opposite
> > reaction" holds true for current flowing through a conductor ...
>
> < snip >
>
> > The study was published June 12 in the journal Physical
> > Review Letters.
>
> The heat given off was directional?
>
> **************************************
> For dumb-ass Guthball:
> What they are saying is that the power supply is located on one side of the
> craft, thus that side radiates heat radially from the craft whereas the
> other side of the power supply radiates the same amount of heat, but id is
> distributed evenly within the craft, thus minimizing radiation compared to
> the side closest.
>
> If you still don't get it, let me know and I'll draw you a picture ...
> oops, bad call ... I haven't used any crayons in ages.
In other words, those photons have mass. Got it.
> < snip >
>
> > The study was published June 12 in the journal Physical
> > Review Letters.
>
> The heat given off was directional?
>
> **************************************
> For dumb-ass Guthball:
> What they are saying is that the power supply is located on one side of the
> craft, thus that side radiates heat radially from the craft whereas the
> other side of the power supply radiates the same amount of heat, but id is
> distributed evenly within the craft, thus minimizing radiation compared to
> the side closest.
>
> If you still don't get it, let me know and I'll draw you a picture ...
> oops, bad call ... I haven't used any crayons in ages.
How about all the geothermal photon mass coming from Venus, as mostly
exiting away from the nighttime seasonal side because of all that
pesky greenhouse sunlight influx of photons that’s pushing hard upon
its daytime side?
Apparently those natural geology rules for the extremely nearby planet
Venus are entirely different than any other planet or moon. Go figure
how those continually opposed to anything that isn't insider Oligarch
approved, are also required and/or compelled to topic/author stalk and
bash at this one and at anything else I might have to offer, for all
the Semitic approved hate and disparagement they and their fellow
Atheists can muster.
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Other thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
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H�gar
Jul 21, 2012, 8:05:55 PM7/21/12
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When you are standing next to a stove in the middle of the
winter, you can feel the heat as it interacts with your body.
Energy in the form of heat is transmitted from the stove to your sorry-ass
carcass. As your body gains heat, the stove loses it.
For every action, there is an equal, but opposite reaction.
The craft is the oven, but it only emits heat from one specific area. The
benefactor of this heat transfer is the 5 degree Kelvin environment As it
tranfers heat from the power supply to the cold and empty space, the
reaction slows the spacecraft down, almost impercetible.
If you still don't get it, you're even dumber than I gave you
credit for.
On Jul 21, 2:07 pm, "H�gar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5de22431-7eee-4e93...@w6g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:5de22431-7eee-4e93...@w6g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 21, 11:47 am, "H�gar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > So the old adage "for every action there is an equal and opposite
> > reaction" holds true for current flowing through a conductor ...
> > who woulda thunk .... H�gar.
>
> > So the old adage "for every action there is an equal and opposite
> > reaction" holds true for current flowing through a conductor ...
>
> < snip >
>
> > The study was published June 12 in the journal Physical
> > Review Letters.
>
> The heat given off was directional?
>
> **************************************
> For dumb-ass Guthball:
> What they are saying is that the power supply is located on one side of
> the
> craft, thus that side radiates heat radially from the craft whereas the
> other side of the power supply radiates the same amount of heat, but id is
> distributed evenly within the craft, thus minimizing radiation compared to
> the side closest.
>
> If you still don't get it, let me know and I'll draw you a picture ...
> oops, bad call ... I haven't used any crayons in ages.
In other words, those photons have mass. Got it.
*** Who mentioned photons, you ignoramus ???
> < snip >
>
> > The study was published June 12 in the journal Physical
> > Review Letters.
>
> The heat given off was directional?
>
> **************************************
> For dumb-ass Guthball:
> What they are saying is that the power supply is located on one side of
> the
> craft, thus that side radiates heat radially from the craft whereas the
> other side of the power supply radiates the same amount of heat, but id is
> distributed evenly within the craft, thus minimizing radiation compared to
> the side closest.
>
> If you still don't get it, let me know and I'll draw you a picture ...
> oops, bad call ... I haven't used any crayons in ages.
In other words, those photons have mass. Got it.
When you are standing next to a stove in the middle of the
winter, you can feel the heat as it interacts with your body.
Energy in the form of heat is transmitted from the stove to your sorry-ass
carcass. As your body gains heat, the stove loses it.
For every action, there is an equal, but opposite reaction.
The craft is the oven, but it only emits heat from one specific area. The
benefactor of this heat transfer is the 5 degree Kelvin environment As it
tranfers heat from the power supply to the cold and empty space, the
reaction slows the spacecraft down, almost impercetible.
If you still don't get it, you're even dumber than I gave you
credit for.
Brad Guth
Jul 22, 2012, 12:25:09 AM7/22/12
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On Jul 21, 5:05 pm, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 21, 2:07 pm, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 21, 11:47 am, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > So the old adage "for every action there is an equal and opposite
> > > reaction" holds true for current flowing through a conductor ...
> > > who woulda thunk .... Hägar.
>
> > > So the old adage "for every action there is an equal and opposite
> > > reaction" holds true for current flowing through a conductor ...
without the nonzero particle mass of those IR photons there is no
transfer of energy.
Bast
Jul 22, 2012, 12:51:36 AM7/22/12
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Brad Guth wrote:
> On Jul 21, 11:47 am, "H�gar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> So the old adage "for every action there is an equal and opposite
>> reaction" holds true for current flowing through a conductor ...
>> who woulda thunk .... H�gar.
>> So the old adage "for every action there is an equal and opposite
>> reaction" holds true for current flowing through a conductor ...
of space.
Although we aren't supposed to think about how Apollo astronauts on the moon
were supposedly able to do the same thing in the vacuum there. using only
self contained PLSS. while in direct sunlight all the time.
Yet my car in 2012 still has to have a condenser on the A/C that has to be
cooled by air, or it overheats and quits working
More likely that the UFO's following it, trying to figure out what the heck
it is, are slowing it down through the gravitational attraction of the hull
of their ship.
Bast
Jul 22, 2012, 12:54:52 AM7/22/12
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into his ,...uh,....body cavities. along with the class gerbil.
Brad Guth
Jul 22, 2012, 1:14:55 AM7/22/12
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and/or radiated off the physically dark moon.
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> Yet my car in 2012 still has to have a condenser on the A/C that has to be
> cooled by air, or it overheats and quits working
>
> More likely that the UFO's following it, trying to figure out what the heck
> it is, are slowing it down through the gravitational attraction of the hull
> of their ship.
damn bit.
Bast
Jul 22, 2012, 1:53:16 AM7/22/12
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just to "vent" for one day.
And even then, the packs would have been covered in icicles (instantly
frozen vapor emissions), where they were not in direct sun.
Oh Oh,....we better not point out that Apollo never was technically viable,
or we are going to be called "kooks" again
David Staup
Jul 22, 2012, 9:46:12 AM7/22/12
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Photons, of any wavelength, have no mass. No mass at rest is the more
correct concept. In transit, at emission, or reflection they have momentum.
The process is one of momentum transfer, mass is not at all
necessary...............That's as simple as it can be put....just for you
goofy.
On Jul 21, 5:05 pm, "H�gar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 21, 2:07 pm, "H�gar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 21, 11:47 am, "H�gar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > So the old adage "for every action there is an equal and opposite
> > > reaction" holds true for current flowing through a conductor ...
> > > who woulda thunk .... H�gar.
>
> > > So the old adage "for every action there is an equal and opposite
> > > reaction" holds true for current flowing through a conductor ...
correct concept. In transit, at emission, or reflection they have momentum.
The process is one of momentum transfer, mass is not at all
necessary...............That's as simple as it can be put....just for you
goofy.
Brad Guth
Jul 22, 2012, 1:57:47 PM7/22/12
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moving at c is capable of transferring energy and offering the mass
necessary for cosmic lensing to boot.
Perhaps c = m
Supposedly our galaxy is moving away from other distant galaxies at c,
which means that all local photons are either standing perfectly still
or moving at upwards of 2c in relationship to those distant galaxies.
If the ISM of 5K has sufficient density as to interact with IR
photons, then perhaps basic friction still has some affect of slowing
things down in addition to the greater sphere of gravity that's
becoming more concentrated along-side or behind the spacecraft instead
of somewhat Oort cloud surrounding or along-side of it.
Once clear of our Oort cloud, then the all-inclusive mass of our solar
system will have become focused or concentrated as a unified mass of
gravity influence that's mostly behind each probe.
Are these probes moving away as fast or any faster than the solar
wind? (doesn't seem likely)
BTW; What velocity is gravity?
* zero
* c
* 2c
Brad Guth
Jul 22, 2012, 2:14:56 PM7/22/12
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which of course never indicated any venting whatsoever.
Actually the secondary/recoil IR coming off that physically dark moon
was worth near 1.225 kw/m2 in addition to the solar influx of 1.375 kw/
m2. In other words, whatever local shade wasn't exactly cool unless
no other lunar surface areas were capable of reflecting or radiating
their IR upon the specified shaded area.
There was always an extra little IR dosage of planet earthshine adding
its IR dosage of thermal influx insult to injury, and no way could
their Apollo 13 have nearly frozen to death on their way home. ISS
has to maintain an extensive amount of artificial cooling and its
forced heat radiating, or else they get to roast to death unless they
shut most everything down. ISS gets shaded by Earth half the time,
whereas Apollo had no such luck.
The Patriot
Jul 22, 2012, 2:26:44 PM7/22/12
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Photons don't have mass. Or didn't you know that you
Numb-nutz.
The Patriot.
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> > > So the old adage "for every action there is an
> > > equal and opposite
> > > reaction" holds true for current flowing through
> > > a conductor ...
> > > who woulda thunk .... H�gar.
>
> > > So the old adage "for every action there is an
> > > equal and opposite
> > > reaction" holds true for current flowing through
> > > a conductor ...
Photons don't have mass. Or didn't you know that you
Numb-nutz.
The Patriot.
Bast
Jul 22, 2012, 10:16:05 PM7/22/12
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Please report to your nearest Homeland Security Re-Education camp for FEMA
BRAIN CHIP Implantation, within the next 24 hours.
Do not be afraid Citizen,....We Are your Freinds.
FEMA OPERATIVE #29483956342
Brad Guth
Jul 22, 2012, 11:32:33 PM7/22/12
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turn us into the sorts of brown-nosed clowns that Oligarch approved
FUD-masters can toy with us without fear of their true ZNR ID ever
being disclosed.
Bast
Jul 23, 2012, 6:25:04 AM7/23/12
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For the rest of us who still have self worth, and won't be re-educated.
......I'm afraid it will be "termination".
Brad Guth
Jul 23, 2012, 7:46:24 AM7/23/12
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plan on getting the human population of Earth down below 500 million,
so that means they have to euthanize at least 6.5 billion of us, or by
2050 they'll have to cull 9 billion of us unless their WW3 takes a big
bite.
FEMAs commercial/industrial scale of human body liquefaction will
become necessary, because just housing and feeding that many in FEMA
work camps isn't going to be manageable as long as only terrestrial
resources are available. However with technology of super-dense
cities with flat towers plus at least one of my 100 km spires upon the
mostly ice-free Greenland with its enormous interior of fresh water
lakes could become our new and greatly improved Eden, that could house
and sustain upwards of 10 billion of us.
Otherwise, they could always send us to hell.
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Other thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
Brad Guth
Jul 23, 2012, 7:56:14 AM7/23/12
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On Jul 22, 11:26 am, "The Patriot" <xxx...@charter.net> wrote:
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> On Jul 21, 5:05 pm, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 21, 2:07 pm, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > On Jul 21, 11:47 am, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com>
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> > > "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > >news:5de22431-7eee-4e93...@w6g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
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> > > > So the old adage "for every action there is an
> > > > equal and opposite
> > > > reaction" holds true for current flowing through
> > > > a conductor ...
> > > > who woulda thunk .... Hägar.
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> > > > So the old adage "for every action there is an
> > > > equal and opposite
> > > > reaction" holds true for current flowing through
> > > > a conductor ...
move. However, perhaps at c is where they represent and get to
transfer mass. At rest the matter anti-matter particles of the photon
cancel out or terminate by having to destroy themselves.
The mass and energy of our universe can never go away, but it can be
indefinitely transferred back and forth.
HVAC
Jul 23, 2012, 8:28:30 AM7/23/12
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On 7/22/2012 11:32 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
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>> I'm sorry,...LOGIC WILL NOT BE TOLLERATED.
>>
>> Please report to your nearest Homeland Security Re-Education camp for FEMA
>> BRAIN CHIP Implantation, within the next 24 hours.
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>> Do not be afraid Citizen,....We Are your Freinds.
>> FEMA OPERATIVE #29483956342
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> FEMA may have to reinvent that chip so as to foil deductive logic and
> turn us into the sorts of brown-nosed clowns that Oligarch approved
> FUD-masters can toy with us without fear of their true ZNR ID ever
> being disclosed.
LOL...Blast and Goth. The pair that beats a full house.
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>> I'm sorry,...LOGIC WILL NOT BE TOLLERATED.
>>
>> Please report to your nearest Homeland Security Re-Education camp for FEMA
>> BRAIN CHIP Implantation, within the next 24 hours.
>>
>> Do not be afraid Citizen,....We Are your Freinds.
>> FEMA OPERATIVE #29483956342
>
> FEMA may have to reinvent that chip so as to foil deductive logic and
> turn us into the sorts of brown-nosed clowns that Oligarch approved
> FUD-masters can toy with us without fear of their true ZNR ID ever
> being disclosed.
No wonder they are now having this 'bromance'.
--
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo
Uncle Steve
Jul 23, 2012, 5:20:46 AM7/23/12
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Brad Guth.
Regards,
Uncle Steve
--
The moon has never been closer.
H�gar
Jul 24, 2012, 12:54:15 PM7/24/12
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OK, you useless dribble-dick ... I was merely posting what real scientists
and their research has uncovered.
They get paid to figure this stuff out and usually they are smart enough to
warrant their paychecks.
You, on the other hand, are a nonsese spewing dipshit, who puts band-aids on
leaky boats and then accepts payment for such slip-shod services under the
table. You cap off each day with wet dreams about planet Venus.
So if you have any issues with the explanation of the "Pioneer Anomaly",
address your concerns to the scientists who solved the mystery. Please
refrain from adding your convoluted, totally irrelevant busslshit ... we've
heard it oncee too often already.
.
Painius
Aug 2, 2012, 9:28:08 PM8/2/12
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:47:58 -0700, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>So the old adage "for every action there is an equal and opposite
>reaction" holds true for current flowing through a conductor ...
>who woulda thunk .... Hägar.
>So the old adage "for every action there is an equal and opposite
>reaction" holds true for current flowing through a conductor ...
I read the abstract here...
http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i24/e241101
It was a profound and arduous study. We need more like that, for
example, to explain other enigmas like the Flyby anomaly.
Excellent detective work and use of the scientific method!
--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @ http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"When you stop dreaming, then you are only sleeping."
Brad Guth
Aug 2, 2012, 10:48:03 PM8/2/12
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> > http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
> > Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
> > http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
> > http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
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> > http://groups.google.com/groups/search
> > http://translate.google.com/#
> > Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth Venus”
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> Still working to kill Usenet on behalf of your mil. benefactors, eh
> Brad Guth.
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> Regards,
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> Uncle Steve
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> --
> The moon has never been closer.
Your lack of any on-topic context is noted.
> > Other thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
> > http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
> > Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
> > http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
> > http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
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> > http://groups.google.com/groups/search
> > http://translate.google.com/#
> > Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth Venus”
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> Still working to kill Usenet on behalf of your mil. benefactors, eh
> Brad Guth.
>
> Regards,
>
> Uncle Steve
>
> --
> The moon has never been closer.
What do you have against a semi-tropical Greenland?
Brad Guth
Aug 4, 2012, 9:27:27 AM8/4/12
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Isn't the whole sum of the Oort cloud and everything within that
sphere (including its aether) worth mentioning?
Clave
Aug 4, 2012, 7:06:36 PM8/4/12
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"Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 24, 9:54 am, "H gar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> OK, you useless dribble-dick ... I was merely posting what real
>> scientists
>> and their research has uncovered.
>>
>> They get paid to figure this stuff out and usually they are smart enough
>> to
>> warrant their paychecks.
>>
>> You, on the other hand, are a nonsese spewing dipshit, who puts band-aids
>> on
>> leaky boats and then accepts payment for such slip-shod services under
>> the
>> table. You cap off each day with wet dreams about planet Venus.
>>
>> So if you have any issues with the explanation of the "Pioneer Anomaly",
>> address your concerns to the scientists who solved the mystery. Please
>> refrain from adding your convoluted, totally irrelevant busslshit ...
>> we've
>> heard it oncee too often already.
>>
>> .
>
> Why is gravity so unaccounted for?
Yeah, NASA forgot about gravity.
>> OK, you useless dribble-dick ... I was merely posting what real
>> scientists
>> and their research has uncovered.
>>
>> They get paid to figure this stuff out and usually they are smart enough
>> to
>> warrant their paychecks.
>>
>> You, on the other hand, are a nonsese spewing dipshit, who puts band-aids
>> on
>> leaky boats and then accepts payment for such slip-shod services under
>> the
>> table. You cap off each day with wet dreams about planet Venus.
>>
>> So if you have any issues with the explanation of the "Pioneer Anomaly",
>> address your concerns to the scientists who solved the mystery. Please
>> refrain from adding your convoluted, totally irrelevant busslshit ...
>> we've
>> heard it oncee too often already.
>>
>> .
>
> Why is gravity so unaccounted for?
Idiot.
Jim
Brad Guth
Aug 10, 2012, 9:34:29 AM8/10/12
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On Aug 4, 4:06 pm, "Clave" <clav...@the.monastery.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Are you saying that our NASA never makes mistakes, and/or remains
especially honest whenever public funding is at risk?
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
especially honest whenever public funding is at risk?
Clave
Aug 10, 2012, 12:49:09 PM8/10/12
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"Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> > Why is gravity so unaccounted for?
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>> Yeah, NASA forgot about gravity.
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>> Idiot.
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> Are you saying that our NASA never makes mistakes, and/or remains
> especially honest whenever public funding is at risk?
Gravity is the single MOST accounted-for force in the calculation.
> especially honest whenever public funding is at risk?
Idiot.
Jim
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