Re: ‘Atheism is cool,’ says Archbishop of Canterbury
Kurt Nicklas
> ‘Atheism is cool,’ says Archbishop of Canterbury
> Oct 3, 2011
Translation: It's a fad, Hollowman.
Carl Kaufmann
Christopher A. Lee
wrote:
and out of touch with reality as the Archbishop of Canterbury.
What is there about the exact equivalent of not believing in the
fairies at the bottom of the garden, to be hip, cool or a fad?
Why can't these idiots understand that where there is no reason to
believe something, then none doesn't?
And that the rest of the world doesn't revolve around the subjects of
their myths and legends any more than it does around Zeus, Odin,
Krishna or any of the others?
I finally found the original article, in the Daily Telegraph for 19th
September.
The moron can't grasp that there is a real world where Christianity
and its god-beliefs are merely one set out of hundreds, and that it is
not substantively different from any of the others.
Or that the only people who take Christianity and its tenets
seriously, are Christians.
Yet he addressed his remarks to a country where only a minority take
it seriously.
He needs a dose of reality.
Kurt Nicklas
and goes.
Atheism is a fantasy meant for humans who're stuck in infancy. They
can't bare a universe in which they are not the most powerful being in
existance.
I used to be an atheist. Even belonged to O'Hare's 'American
Atheists'.
Then I grew up.
Kurt Nicklas
> On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 15:37:28 -0400, Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufm...@cox.net>
CHRISTopher.
As long as you can take responsibility for your decisions.
Can you?
harry k
Harry K
harry k
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Atheists do it every day. Did you think differently?
Harry K
harry k
So you are one of those "born again" types? Makes it even worse.
Harry K
Kurt Nicklas
answer is no.
harry k
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fundies seem to think that atheists have no morals.
Harry K
Kurt Nicklas
Atheists can't
possibly do so therefore anything is permitted and they have no morals
at all.
Falstaff
the dictates of Bronze Age barbarians to know what is "moral".
harry k
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on an invisible thing to dictate them.
Harry K
Free Lunch
<turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
less advanced than the morality found in modern nations.
harry k
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No, I rely on sanity. There are no "universal morals". All morals are
the rules developed withing a society to allow that society to live in
peace amongst themselves.
In spite of your desires and juvenile beliefs, the Christian morals
were not dictated by god or gods but rather were coopted from the
morals already existing in theprehistoric groups before the priest
hood got their fingers into the pie.
What is moral in one society can be anathema in another. It wasn't
too long ago that canabalism was still moral in places. "murder"
i.e., killing for the sake of killing was moral in some societies long
after christianiey became prominent. Look at some of the indian
tribes and their morals about warfare and the primitive tribes in
Africa where killing members of another tribe was a rite of passage.
Bottom line, you are a fundy if you think atheists have no morals.
Now piss off to some group that will appreciate your imbecilic
beliefs.
Harry K
Falstaff
> On Fri, 7 Oct 2011 12:36:28 -0700 (PDT), harry k
If only Knickers would abandon his "faith" as quickly as he abandons
the notestreams he starts.
Kurt Nicklas
Which one of you "artheists" gets to "craft" your morality? You don't
believe
in absolute morality or absolute truth, do you?
Kurt Nicklas
Sanity? As defined by whom? You? Surely you don't believe you can
speak
for everyone do you? You don't believe in absolute morality or
absolute truth do you?
I think you've not really thought these issues through, have you?
Kurt Nicklas
> On Fri, 7 Oct 2011 12:36:28 -0700 (PDT), harry k
'Advanced"? In what sense? Who are you to say what is "advanced" and
what isn't?
What is your standard? Surely you don't believe you can speak for
everyone in this matter, do you?
Think before you respond. Surprise me.
Falstaff
Falstaff
morality? You don't think ending executions for blasphemy and apostacy
were advancements over biblical morality?
>Who are you to say what is "advanced" and
> what isn't?
harry k
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or someone else, can point to a society in which it isn't...or wasn't,
e.g. cannabalism.
Harry K
harry k
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Speaking of "thinking" you should pull your head out of that Bibleand
try it. It wouild at least show you that your fundamentalism is not
only incorrect but that the Bible can't be taken literally.
Harry K
Kurt Nicklas
truth, do you?
Kurt Nicklas
Why is that?
Kurt Nicklas
Sanity as defined by who? You? Who are you to define what is moral?
This line of questioning makes you uncomfortable, doesn't it?
harry k
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Care to name one of your "absolute truths"?
Harry K
harry k
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Another of your "jump to an unwarranted conclusion"? Care to show why
you think I am uncomfortable.
BTW you are again exposing your lie of not being a fundamentalist.
Only they think that atheists are "uncomfortable".
Harry K
harry k
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See prior reply. Face it. Fundamental Creationism has failed every
test of science, prediction, bible tanslation and sanity that has been
applied to it.
You can continue to make you imbecilic posts but you aren't going to
gain any ground. Quit while you are waaayyyy behind.
You are just another one of a long string of theists who think they
can come into a forum and wow everyone with a brilliant post only to
retreat 'tail between the legs' after having been exposed.
Piss off fundy.
Harry K
harry k
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Lee Curtis
> On Oct 9, 2:54嚙緘m, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 7, 1:55嚙緘m, Falstaff <jaxfalst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Oct 7, 6:28嚙窮m, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > On Oct 7, 12:10嚙窮m, harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Oct 6, 5:44嚙緘m, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > On Oct 6, 11:58嚙窮m, harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > On Oct 5, 5:08嚙緘m, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > On Oct 5, 3:37嚙緘m, Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufm...@cox.net>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Oct 4, 10:25 pm, Mitchell
> > > > > > > > > > Holman<Noem...@comcast.com> 嚙緩rote:
> > > > > > > > > >> 嚙璀theism is cool,嚙�says Archbishop of Canterbury
> > > > > > > > > >> Oct 3, 2011
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Translation: It's a fad, Hollowman.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Just like Christianity in the Roman Empire was.
> >
> > > > > > > > Obviously not. Atheism has been around for centuries.
> > > > > > > > It comes and goes.
> >
> > > > > > > > Atheism is a fantasy meant for humans who're stuck in
> > > > > > > > infancy. They can't bare a universe in which they are
> > > > > > > > not the most powerful being in existance.
> >
> > > > > > > > I used to be an atheist. Even belonged to O'Hare's
> > > > > > > > 'American Atheists'.
> >
> > > > > > > > Then I grew up.
> >
> > > > > > > So you are one of those "born again" types? 嚙瞎akes it
> > > > > > > even worse.
> >
> > > > > > By "born again types" do you mean fundamentalist Christian?
> > > > > > If so, the answer is no.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > > > Your comment on atheists and reponsibility belie that. 嚙瞌nly
> > > > > the rabid fundies seem to think that atheists have no morals.
> >
> > > > Surely you don't believe in absolute moral standards, do you?
> > > > Atheists can't
> > > > possibly do so therefore anything is permitted and they have no
> > > > morals at all.
> >
> > > Perhaps arheists can craft their own morality and are not
> > > dependant on the dictates of Bronze Age barbarians to know what
> > > is "moral".
> >
> > Which one of you "artheists" gets to "craft" your morality? You
> > don't believe
> > in absolute morality or absolute truth, do you?
>
> Tell us about your "morality" and what makes it so "absolute".
All theists think their morality is "Absolute",
that theirs is the one "true" religion, and all
their arguments boil down to "you just have to
believe". Mr Nicklas is no exception.
harry k
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Another of your "jump to an unwarranted conclusion"? Care to show why
Christopher A. Lee
>BTW you are again exposing your lie of not being a fundamentalist.
>Only they think that atheists are "uncomfortable".
do.
Because in what passes for their "minds", we're the ones living a
deluded fantasy, not them.
>Harry K
Kurt Nicklas
Very simple: Everytime I ask you a simple, reasonable question you try
to change the
subject. You're uncomfortable and you're a bit of a coward as well, I
think.
> BTW you are again exposing your lie of not being a fundamentalist.
> Only they think that atheists are "uncomfortable".
Nonsense. What a silly thing to say. I said you are uncomfortable with
the questions
I've been asking and it's obvious.
You obviously haven't thought about these things very seriously.
Old Baye
> Falstaff wrote:
>
>>> On Oct 7, 1:55 pm, Falstaff<jaxfalst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Oct 7, 6:28 am, Kurt Nicklas<kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On Oct 7, 12:10 am, harry k<turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 6, 5:44 pm, Kurt Nicklas<kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 6, 11:58 am, harry k<turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 5, 5:08 pm, Kurt Nicklas<kurtnick...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 5, 3:37 pm, Carl Kaufmann<cwkaufm...@cox.net>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 4, 10:25 pm, Mitchell
>>>>>>>>>>>> ‘Atheism is cool,’ says Archbishop of Canterbury
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Translation: It's a fad, Hollowman.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just like Christianity in the Roman Empire was.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Obviously not. Atheism has been around for centuries.
>>>>>>>>> It comes and goes.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Atheism is a fantasy meant for humans who're stuck in
>>>>>>>>> infancy. They can't bare a universe in which they are
>>>>>>>>> not the most powerful being in existance.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> I used to be an atheist. Even belonged to O'Hare's
>>>>>>>>> 'American Atheists'.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then I grew up.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> By "born again types" do you mean fundamentalist Christian?
>>>>>>> If so, the answer is no.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Surely you don't believe in absolute moral standards, do you?
>>>>> Atheists can't
>>>>> possibly do so therefore anything is permitted and they have no
>>>>> morals at all.
>>>
>>>> Perhaps arheists can craft their own morality and are not
>>>> dependant on the dictates of Bronze Age barbarians to know what
>>>> is "moral".
>>>
>>> Which one of you "artheists" gets to "craft" your morality? You
>>> don't believe
>>> in absolute morality or absolute truth, do you?
>>
>> Tell us about your "morality" and what makes it so "absolute".
>
>
> All theists think their morality is "Absolute",
> that theirs is the one "true" religion, and all
> their arguments boil down to "you just have to
> believe". Mr Nicklas is no exception.
>
argue that science is the one "true religion".
You appear to be no exception.
Kurt Nicklas
> > > On Oct 7, 1:55 pm, Falstaff <jaxfalst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 7, 6:28 am, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Oct 7, 12:10 am, harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Oct 6, 5:44 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Oct 6, 11:58 am, harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Oct 5, 5:08 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Oct 5, 3:37 pm, Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufm...@cox.net>
>
> > > > > > > > > > Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 4, 10:25 pm, Mitchell
> > > > > > > > > > >> Atheism is cool, says Archbishop of Canterbury
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Translation: It's a fad, Hollowman.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Just like Christianity in the Roman Empire was.
>
> > > > > > > > > Obviously not. Atheism has been around for centuries.
> > > > > > > > > It comes and goes.
>
> > > > > > > > > Atheism is a fantasy meant for humans who're stuck in
> > > > > > > > > infancy. They can't bare a universe in which they are
> > > > > > > > > not the most powerful being in existance.
>
> > > > > > > > > I used to be an atheist. Even belonged to O'Hare's
> > > > > > > > > 'American Atheists'.
>
> > > > > > > > > Then I grew up.
>
>
> > > > > > > By "born again types" do you mean fundamentalist Christian?
> > > > > > > If so, the answer is no.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
>
> > > > > Surely you don't believe in absolute moral standards, do you?
> > > > > Atheists can't
> > > > > possibly do so therefore anything is permitted and they have no
> > > > > morals at all.
>
> > > > Perhaps arheists can craft their own morality and are not
> > > > dependant on the dictates of Bronze Age barbarians to know what
> > > > is "moral".
>
> > > Which one of you "artheists" gets to "craft" your morality? You
> > > don't believe
> > > in absolute morality or absolute truth, do you?
>
> > Tell us about your "morality" and what makes it so "absolute".
>
> All theists think their morality is "Absolute",
that is universal?
> that theirs is the one "true" religion, and all
> their arguments boil down to "you just have to
> believe". Mr Nicklas is no exception.
harry k
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truths". Having problems finding one are you?
Harry K
harry k
making another baseless assertion.
>
> You obviously haven't thought about these things very seriously.- Hide quoted text -
>
Tell me. do you have _anything_ other than baseless assertions. You
know, something that resembles...say...EVIDENCE?
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seriously...any more so than I wouild take an asylums inmate's
question "Why is the sky fish?" seriously.
Harry K
Kurt Nicklas
rather than answer my question, you started demanding that I give
you an "example".
Why don't you give me an honest answer first and then I will, okay?
Give it some thought before trying to change the subject this time.
Agreed?
Kurt Nicklas
See above.
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>
> The standard of questions asked by you creationists are never taken
> seriously...any more so than I wouild take an asylums inmate's
> question "Why is the sky fish?" seriously.
What makes you think I am a creationist??
Honestly, your thoughts are dominated by prejudices. You need to step
back and
have another look at yourself.
harry k
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Already done way up thread. In fact in the same post I asked you for
an example of your mythical "universal morals". You still haven't
stepped up to the plate on that one.
Not a surprise as fundy creationists commonly apply the usual
tactics: "Ignore, deny, distort and if none of them work LIE" Thanks
for applying every one of those to your post.
Harry K
harry k
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and talk the talk"
Still waiting for you to answer the challenge.
Harry K
Kurt Nicklas
Why do you atheists seem to be so afraid to answer questions when
asked?
> an example of your mythical "universal morals". You still haven't
> stepped up to the plate on that one.
Kindly answer that simple question.
> Not a surprise as fundy creationists commonly apply the usual
> tactics: "Ignore, deny, distort and if none of them work LIE" Thanks
> for applying every one of those to your post.
unfounded statements
about my beliefs.
So, let me try again: Do you believe in absolute truth or is
everything "relative"?
It really is quite a simple question, you know.
Kurt Nicklas
What are you talking about?
> Still waiting for you to answer the challenge.
Again, what are you talking about?
I think you're very confused.
Are you a teenager? Sure seems like it.
Lee Curtis
No. Do you?
If so show us some.
> Do you believe in a morality
> that is universal?
No. Do you?
If so show us some.
>
> > that theirs is the one "true" religion, and all
> > their arguments boil down to "you just have to
> > believe". Mr Nicklas is no exception.
>
> Could you be wrong?
Could you back up your claims about
"Absolute Truth" and "Universal Morality"?
Lee Curtis
Since Mr Nicklas cannot explain what
"Absolute Truth" and "Absolute Morality"
are maybe you can.
Old Baye
> Old Baye wrote:
>
>> On 10/10/2011 8:13 AM, Lee Curtis wrote:
>>> Falstaff wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Oct 9, 2:54 pm, Kurt Nicklas<kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 7, 1:55 pm, Falstaff<jaxfalst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 7, 6:28 am, Kurt Nicklas<kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 7, 12:10 am, harry k<turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 6, 5:44 pm, Kurt Nicklas<kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 6, 11:58 am, harry k<turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 5, 5:08 pm, Kurt Nicklas<kurtnick...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 5, 3:37 pm, Carl Kaufmann<cwkaufm...@cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 4, 10:25 pm, Mitchell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Holman<Noem...@comcast.com> wrote:
I don't waste time nattering with atheists, you folks simply have your
own 'faith' to promote.
>
Falstaff
Yes, what ARE you talking about?
Give us an example of your "Absolute Truth"
Kurt Nicklas
> On 10/11/2011 11:23 AM, Lee Curtis wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Old Baye wrote:
>
> >> On 10/10/2011 8:13 AM, Lee Curtis wrote:
> >>> Falstaff wrote:
>
> >>>> On Oct 9, 2:54 pm, Kurt Nicklas<kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Oct 7, 1:55 pm, Falstaff<jaxfalst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> On Oct 7, 6:28 am, Kurt Nicklas<kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> On Oct 7, 12:10 am, harry k<turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> On Oct 6, 5:44 pm, Kurt Nicklas<kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 6, 11:58 am, harry k<turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 5, 5:08 pm, Kurt Nicklas<kurtnick...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 5, 3:37 pm, Carl Kaufmann<cwkaufm...@cox.net>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 4, 10:25 pm, Mitchell
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Holman<Noem...@comcast.com> wrote:
You're right about their 'faith' of course. I suppose I wouldn't
bother with
them if I hadn't been an atheist once myself.
Kurt Nicklas
Is what you just stated true absolutely?
> Do you?
>
> If so show us some.
>
> > Do you believe in a morality
> > that is universal?
>
> No.
depending on....what? Circumstances? Greater good?
Do you feel justified in forcing your morals on others?
> Do you?
>
> If so show us some.
>
>
>
> > > that theirs is the one "true" religion, and all
> > > their arguments boil down to "you just have to
> > > believe". Mr Nicklas is no exception.
>
> > Could you be wrong?
> Could you back up your claims about
> "Absolute Truth" and "Universal Morality"?
Old Baye
I know, it's the steadfast God named science.
> I suppose I wouldn't bother with them if I hadn't been an atheist once myself.
I'd be intrigued to hear what sent you off that non-belief structure, if
you'd care to share some thoughts here.
Kurt Nicklas
Is it that you don't understand what constitutes absolute truth,
coward?
Do I need to do ALL your thinking for you?
Falstaff
>
> > > Again, what are you talking about?
>
> > Yes, what ARE you talking about?
>
> > Give us an example of your "Absolute Truth"
>
> Is it that you don't understand what constitutes absolute truth,
> coward?
>
You have been droning on for days about "Absolute Truth" and yet you
cannot cite a single example of it?
> Do I need to do ALL your thinking for you?
No, you just need to defend your claim that "Absolute Truth" even
exists.
Conan the bacterium
equate an inability fo formulate unconditional
moral statements with an utter lack of morality?
I have morals. I do not have absolute
morals, applicable in all circumstances.
Do you? If so, please list them for our
edification.
conan
Kurt Nicklas
believe in
any sort of absolute truth. Seems to me it's a simple question. I've
had
one brave soul actually give me an answer.
Do you need lil ole me to define?
> > Do I need to do ALL your thinking for you?
>
> No, you just need to defend your claim that "Absolute Truth" even
> exists.
Kurt Nicklas
So your morals can change depending on circumstances?
Do you believe that others should have the same morals as you?
Conan the bacterium
<>
<>
<>
Before I answer those, would you do me the politeness
of answering that which already I had asked you?
(and which, inexplicably, got snipped)
After:
I have morals. I do not have absolute
morals, applicable in all circumstances.
I asked of you:
Kurt Nicklas
request. By this do you
mean a list of my 'do and don't' principles?
pyjamarama
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 04:03:02 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
> making late night crank calls, hanging up without speaking, and filing
> dozens and dozens of "complaints" when a growing number of people on
> the usenet were ridiculing you?
>
> That's a good example for you to start with....
>
> RIght, Knickkkers?
The Amazing Usenet Intellect of Gary 'Yoorgloon" Roselles -- left-wing
sociopath and author of the following “views” on race, homosexuality
and killing government officials and teenage girls:
"She (Katherine Harris) should be at least shot" -- Gary Roselles
"I call Kathering[sic] Harris a nazi/fascist right wing ideologue
whore.
What did we do to German nazis right wing whores?" -- Gary
Roselles
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.clinton/msg/9431827dde9eb727?dmode=source
“May a real american someday have the honor of putting a bullet
between her eyes." -- Gary Roselles on B. Robertson's teenage
daughter.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.bush/msg/346a12114c9884ee?hl=en&dmode=source
What the fuck would a dumb cocksucker like (Distinguished African-
American Scholar, Thomas) Sowell, who sits out at Stanford, never
having
worked a day in his Uncle Tom life, know anything?" -- Gary
Roselles
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/652f875e53203e8e?hl=en&
"Both are traitors to their race" -- Race Purist Gary Roselles on the
importance
of Race Loyalty
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/90646e9b4da37793
"You actually think that placing blackskinned, white thinking people
is going to gain anything with real minorities?" -- Gary Roselles,
Racist
“Bush’s Uncle Tom Cabinet A Good Move For GOP” – Gary Roselles, Racist
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/1b116fa0999182fb
(see header)
"Them brown niggers need to be taken out" -- Gary Roselles, Racist
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.republicans/msg/421a0f9263435ca4
(see header)
"He (African-American scholar Thomas Sowell) goes against his own
kind." Race loyalist Gary Roselles, insisting once again that “them
blacks” should "stick
to their own kind"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/17fcf97abe2e4ee2?dmode=source
"His appointment will bridge nothing. It's apparant he's being an
uncle tom to appease voters." -- White trash, racist asshole Gary
Roselles
slurs African-American Hero General Colin Powell
"Group Negro Poster Pyjamarma admits to being a coconut headed coon"
-- Gary Roselles, pathetic racist
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/d9ccfefc35328516?dmode=source
(see header)
"Say "yes Massa", Uncle Tom." – Vile racist Gary Roselles pathetically
mocks and
slurs prominent African-American man-of-the-cloth Jesse Lee
Peterson
"How does a pampered, Stanford based, Scaife funded, Uncle Tom make
judgements on "the bottom", McFly?" -- Another day, another racial
slur on an educated, successful, independent black man from Gary
Roselles
"I consider hating RIGHT WING nazi/fascist fucks like you a God
inspired emotion."
"Hating RIGHT WINGERS is doing God's work, Dumbapropyl" -- Pure,
venomous hate-speech from "god-inspired" whackjob Gary Roselles
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.clinton/msg/9431827dde9eb727?dmode=source
Yeah, there's a real fucking credible authority----Hitchens a faggot
socialist." -- Gary Roselles, “f”-bomb droppin’ rabid homophobe
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.conservatism/msg/d2ab5e412f7ed8e7?dmode=source
"You're like that kid that has just been told that's not a hot-dog
he's sucking on" -- Gary Roselles, Pedophile, admits forcing oral
copulation on a child
http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/fcf8198215ac03f2?as_ums
Conan the bacterium
Hmmm....didn't think that was so unclear.
In any event, I said I have no absolute morals,
and then asked if you yourself have any -- absolute -- moral
standards.
conan
Kurt Nicklas
> On Oct 11, 9:59 am, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
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> > On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 04:03:02 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>
> > <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Oct 11, 12:31 am, harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> You still haven't given us an example of one of your "absolute
> > >> truths". Having problems finding one are you?
>
> > >Hmm, first I asked you if YOU believed in absolute truth and then,
> > >rather than answer my question, you started demanding that I give
> > >you an "example".
>
> > Well, how about the "absolute truth" that YOU were getting drunk and
> > making late night crank calls, hanging up without speaking, and filing
> > dozens and dozens of "complaints" when a growing number of people on
> > the usenet were ridiculing you?
>
> > That's a good example for you to start with....
>
> > RIght, Knickkkers?
Be sure to ask our boy Gare why he stopped trying to post my home
address.
He says it was 'brought to his attention'. And ask just who it was who
brought
it to his attention.
> The Amazing Usenet Intellect of Gary 'Yoorgloon" Roselles -- left-wing
> sociopath and author of the following “views” on race, homosexuality
> and killing government officials and teenage girls:
>
> "She (Katherine Harris) should be at least shot" -- Gary Roselles
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/...
>
> "I call Kathering[sic] Harris a nazi/fascist right wing ideologue
> whore.
What did we do to German nazis right wing whores?" -- Gary
> Roselles
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.clinton/msg/9431827dde9eb...
>
> “May a real american someday have the honor of putting a bullet
> between her eyes." -- Gary Roselles on B. Robertson's teenage
> daughter.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.bush/msg/346a12114c9884ee...
>
> What the fuck would a dumb cocksucker like (Distinguished African-
> American Scholar, Thomas) Sowell, who sits out at Stanford, never
> having
worked a day in his Uncle Tom life, know anything?" -- Gary
> Roselles
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/652f875e5320...
>
> "Both are traitors to their race" -- Race Purist Gary Roselles on the
> importance
of Race Loyalty
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/90646e9b4da3...
>
> "You actually think that placing blackskinned, white thinking people
> is going to gain anything with real minorities?" -- Gary Roselles,
> Racist
>
> “Bush’s Uncle Tom Cabinet A Good Move For GOP” – Gary Roselles, Racist
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/...
> (see header)
>
> "Them brown niggers need to be taken out" -- Gary Roselles, Racist
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.republicans/msg/421a0f926...
> (see header)
>
> "He (African-American scholar Thomas Sowell) goes against his own
> kind." Race loyalist Gary Roselles, insisting once again that “them
> blacks” should "stick
to their own kind"
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/17fcf97abe2...
>
> "His appointment will bridge nothing. It's apparant he's being an
> uncle tom to appease voters." -- White trash, racist asshole Gary
> Roselles
slurs African-American Hero General Colin Powell
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/...
>
> "Group Negro Poster Pyjamarma admits to being a coconut headed coon"
> -- Gary Roselles, pathetic racist
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/d9ccfefc3532...
> (see header)
>
> "Say "yes Massa", Uncle Tom." – Vile racist Gary Roselles pathetically
> mocks and
slurs prominent African-American man-of-the-cloth Jesse Lee
> Peterson
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/...
>
> "How does a pampered, Stanford based, Scaife funded, Uncle Tom make
> judgements on "the bottom", McFly?" -- Another day, another racial
> slur on an educated, successful, independent black man from Gary
> Roselles
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/...
>
> "I consider hating RIGHT WING nazi/fascist fucks like you a God
> inspired emotion."
>
> "Hating RIGHT WINGERS is doing God's work, Dumbapropyl" -- Pure,
> venomous hate-speech from "god-inspired" whackjob Gary Roselles
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.clinton/msg/9431827dde9eb...
>
> Yeah, there's a real fucking credible authority----Hitchens a faggot
> socialist." -- Gary Roselles, “f”-bomb droppin’ rabid homophobe
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.conservatism/msg/d2ab5e412...
>
> "You're like that kid that has just been told that's not a hot-dog
> he's sucking on" -- Gary Roselles, Pedophile, admits forcing oral
> copulation on a child
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/fcf8198215ac03f2?...
Kurt Nicklas
> In any event, I said I have no absolute morals,
> and then asked if you yourself have any -- absolute -- moral
> standards.
real name when I post or write letters to the editor.
I guess you're afraid to do that, huh?
Christopher A. Lee
His "absolute morals" allow him to be an in-your-face nasty little
shit.
>conan
Conan the bacterium
THAT'S your "absolute moral standard"? Seems kind
of vague -- I can't see exactly how you make decisions
on starkly all-too-real actions like stealing, lying, murder,
infidelity, backbiting, based on something as vague
and non-specific as "personal responsibility".
Also, I asked for a list of that which you hold
to be moral absolutes. I didn't see this as too
demanding -- I can't imagine anyone having
a very long list of such elusive items -- and
apparently yours is of list one.
But that said, I promised to answer your questions
if you answered mine. I'm not at all convinced that
you did, but I'll go ahead anyhow:
You asked:
So your morals can change depending on circumstances?
I dont think any moral is absolute; I do believe in
trying to reduce harm as far as possible as a guiding
principle. To wit: I think that killing is wrong, but that
depends on circumstances -- is it in self-defense?
Would it prevent greater harm, for example shooting
that Norwegian who went on to kill 80-plus people?
I despise lying, and try very very hard not to do
so in most circumstances...but I don't have a lot of
problem with "No, you look fine" or "Sorry, but I
have things planned" -- or "No, it was NOT my
brother who turned in your drug-dealing woman-beating
cousin".
> Do you believe that others should have the same morals as you?
I tend to encourage others to do what I myself
think is right -- "did you really need to lie to her
over that?" -- but no, I'm sure my moral conclusions
do not include all possible contingincies.
Your turn again: got any more of those absolute
moral precepts?
conan
Falstaff
Yes.
This is your term, you define it.
> > > Do I need to do ALL your thinking for you?
>
> > No, you just need to defend your claim that "Absolute Truth" even
> > exists.
>
> When have a made such a claim, anonymous coward?
Truth".
Give us an example of it.
Falstaff
attacking others for using anonymous handles.
THAT sort of "personal responsibility"?
Kurt Nicklas
to post here shows
that I was not hiding behind anything. But then you are desperate to
find something,
aren't you?
You, on the other hand, cannot take responsibility for anything you
post.
You're a childish, cowardly little twit.
I laugh in your general direction.
Kurt Nicklas
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:08:32 -0700 (PDT), Conan the bacterium
>
> >On Oct 11, 6:00 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >In any event, I said I have no absolute morals,
> >and then asked if you yourself have any -- absolute -- moral
> >standards.
>
> His "absolute morals" allow him to be an in-your-face nasty little
> shit.
It's really very simple.
Kurt Nicklas
I'll associate my understanding of the subject with this wiki article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_truth
Simple enough even for a cowardly, anonymous poster like you to
understand, right?
Give it a look-over and repost.
'K?
Kurt Nicklas
is the basis of morality.
As such, I don't think it's 'vague and non-specific' at all. Why
have morals if you think you can escape the consequences
if you break them?
Think about it.
It's one reason why I post under my own name and don't hide
behind silly anonymous handles.
Falstaff
> On Oct 7, 1:55 pm, Falstaff <jaxfalst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > the dictates of Bronze Age barbarians to know what is "moral".
>
> believe
> in absolute morality or absolute truth, do you?
Do YOU believe "absolute moralty" or "absolute truth"?
Lee Curtis
Lee Curtis
Old Baye
And you?
harry k
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Kurt Nicklas
Why do you consider yourself "sane"? Because you don't believe in God?
Isaac Newton, Mohandas Ghandi and Albert Einstein believed in God.
Were they insane?
Kurt Nicklas
And yet it's the atheists in this thread doing the dance as usual.
You're all too afraid to answer the tough questions, aren't you?
I think you're a bunch of cowards.
Kurt Nicklas
When you leave atheism there's no where to go but up.
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They also didn't let their theism get mixed into their science.
Harry K
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Missed that. You can take Einstein out of that. He himself clarified
that he did not believe in what you call God.
Harry K
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I already answered it and you lied about it. But to satisfy you:
No I do not believe in "universal morals".
Now show you have at least some moral fiber and asnwer the questions
posed to _you_.
Name one of your unversal morals.
And let the tap dancing begin again, a one...anna two...
Harry K
Christopher A. Lee
Obsession and hatred for those who don't believe as he does.
Lying.
Refusal even to try and understand answers he's given that don't fit
his prejudice.
Intellectual dishonesty.
Etc.
>And let the tap dancing begin again, a one...anna two...
And that's another one.
>Harry K
Lee Curtis
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression
and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection
of honourable, but still primitive legends which are
nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter
how subtle can (for me) change this."
Albert Einstein, Letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind, January 3, 1954
Lee Curtis
"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied
this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me
which can be called religious then it is the unbounded
admiration for the structure of the world so far as our
science can reveal it."
- Albert Einstein, letter to an atheist (1954), quoted
in Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen
Dukas & Banesh Hoffman
Kurt Nicklas
So obviously Einstein was NOT an atheist.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Kurt Nicklas
No, you never answered it.
> No I do not believe in "universal morals".
I never asked you about "universal morals".
Can't you get ANYTHING right? You think in such a sloppy manner.
John Rennie
> On Oct 13, 4:23 am, Kurt Nicklas<kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 12, 1:27 pm, harry k<turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>> On Oct 12, 10:05 am, Old Baye<o...@in.valid> wrote:
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>>>> On 10/12/2011 10:00 AM, Lee Curtis wrote:
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>>>>> Old Baye wrote:
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>>>>>> On 10/11/2011 11:23 AM, Lee Curtis wrote:
>>>>>>> Old Baye wrote:
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>>>>>>>> On 10/10/2011 8:13 AM, Lee Curtis wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Falstaff wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 9, 2:54 pm, Kurt Nicklas<kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 7, 1:55 pm, Falstaff<jaxfalst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 7, 6:28 am, Kurt Nicklas<kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 7, 12:10 am, harry k<turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 6, 5:44 pm, Kurt Nicklas<kurtnick...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 6, 11:58 am, harry k<turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 5, 5:08 pm, Kurt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nicklas<kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 5, 3:37 pm, Carl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kaufmann<cwkaufm...@cox.net> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 4, 10:25 pm, Mitchell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Holman<Noem...@comcast.com> wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/may/13/peopleinscience.religion
"... The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product
of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still
primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No
interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These
subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature
and have almost nothing to do with the original text. For me the Jewish
religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish
superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with
whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me
than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no
better than other human groups, although they are protected from the
worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything
'chosen' about them."
Well I disagree with Einstein re the "lack of power" otherwise he's
on the ball.
Kurt Nicklas
So once again you dodge the question: Were people like the above
together
with people like Galileo,John Henry Newman, Dante Gabriel
Rossetti,C.S. Lewis,
Michel De Montaigne,Johann Wolfgang Goethe,Tom Stoppard,Heywood Broun
all insane?
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"The atheist can't find God for the same reason that a thief can't
find a policeman."
Author Unknown
Kurt Nicklas
Here's one of my favorite quotes on the subject.
"Still, even the most admirable of atheists is nothing more than a
moral parasite, living his life based on borrowed ethics. This is why,
when pressed, the atheist will often attempt to hide his lack of
conviction in his own beliefs behind some poorly formulated
utilitarianism, or argue that he acts out of altruistic self-interest.
But this is only post-facto rationalization, not reason or rational
behavior."
----Vox Day
What he leaves unsaid is that these "borrowed ethics" are almost
certainly going to come from the Western Judeo-Christian tradition.
Ironic, huh?
Phlip
> "Still, even the most admirable of atheists is nothing more than a
> moral parasite, living his life based on borrowed ethics.
Ah, because God is too stupid to create a universe where morals and
ethics are built into the simple logic of enlightened self-interest.
This God, finding no intrinsic way to enforce morals, must rely on the
abstraction of no way at all. "Because I will punish you" is Santa
Clause's rationale, not a true Gods!
harry k
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Post #25 by Nikkers:
Which one of you "artheists" gets to "craft" your morality? You don't
believe
in absolute morality or absolute truth, do you?
Harry K