Why do people think atheists are miserable?
Seon Ferguson
never existed and all religion was based on a myth. When I did that I
laughed because I didn't have to worry about life after death or what will
happen to us when we die (I am still drawn towards the Buddhist view of life
after death though) so I don't have to worry anymore. I can enjoy life
without feeling guilty. In fact I think it's the Christians who should be
miserable, am I right?
I know I did that like 3 times this year but when you are brought up
religious it is hard to let go of your childhood fantasy. Some people have
no idea how dangerous religion can be on a young mind.
Jim Godamnski
let live and have a chip on their shoulders. They tend to not be nice
people.
There are exceptions, though.
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Government Shill #2
wrote:
>Why do people think atheists are miserable? I recently re realised Jesus
>never existed and all religion was based on a myth. When I did that I
>laughed because I didn't have to worry about life after death or what will
>happen to us when we die (I am still drawn towards the Buddhist view of life
>after death though) so I don't have to worry anymore. I can enjoy life
>without feeling guilty. In fact I think it's the Christians who should be
>miserable, am I right?
The Believers *are* miserable. They are constantly worried that if they
misstep they'll spend eternity in "damnation". They have to attend a place
of worship once a week to remind themselves to behave. They read and reread
their book of how to live life constantly, because they fear making a
mistake and angering their particular god.
Fear, guilt, subservience, are all part of their "daily bread".
Believers believe atheists are miserable because that's how they think they
would feel if their god was not part of their life. They are constantly
bombarded with messages about how much god loves them (if they behave
exactly as god wants them to). They crave the love of their god. They think
that if a person has no need of god, they must be miserable.
This is, of course, nonsense.
--
Shill #2
A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle.
Vique
Richo
> Why do people think atheists are miserable?
miserable son of a bitch and so they stereotype all of us.
For others the stereotype is supplied for them and they just go with
that without questioning it.
> I recently re realised Jesus
> never existed and all religion was based on a myth.
I think "based on myth" is not quite right.
Remember religion is almost universal - atheists are anomalies.
The basis of religions is a yearning for meaning, for belonging, for
purpose - for wanting to know our place in the scheme of things.
The answers most of us are wiling to accept are rather primitive and
stupid and dont hold up to scrutiny - the stories(myths) of
traditional religions are what most people look to - but the
*yearning* is there inside me as well - I am just really fussy about
what kind of answers I will accept.
Mark.
Seon Ferguson
"Richo" <m.richa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Dec 5, 10:21 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why do people think atheists are miserable?
> Some of them are - perhaps for some the first atheist they meet is a
> miserable son of a bitch and so they stereotype all of us.
> For others the stereotype is supplied for them and they just go with
> that without questioning it.
>
But I guess I sometimes get the same with religious people. I meet one
religious zealot and I think they are all like that. But I have to keep
reminding myself that isn't the case.
>> I recently re realised Jesus
>> never existed and all religion was based on a myth.
>
> I think "based on myth" is not quite right.
> Remember religion is almost universal - atheists are anomalies.
> The basis of religions is a yearning for meaning, for belonging, for
> purpose - for wanting to know our place in the scheme of things.
> The answers most of us are wiling to accept are rather primitive and
> stupid and dont hold up to scrutiny - the stories(myths) of
> traditional religions are what most people look to - but the
> *yearning* is there inside me as well - I am just really fussy about
> what kind of answers I will accept.
>
Ok what about based on stories?
> Mark.
>
>
Seon Ferguson
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What if they are just jealous? What if deep down they wish they could be as
guilt free as atheists? So they convince themselves atheists are just
miserable because as you said that's how they would feel, so everyone else
must feel the same way.
Seon Ferguson
religious and not an atheist. I respect people's right's to believe in
whatever fairy tales they want. My problem however lies when people
brainwash their children or force others to believe in their myths.
In other words I have alive and let live philosophy. I just want certain
religious people to have the same philosophy.
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Jim Godamnski.
not to be trusted. Generally, they are huge hypocrites. Most Christians
just do it out of fear and habit. They also like the social aspect.
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> It is because
Oh, fuck off, asshole ;)
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Christopher A. Lee
<m.richa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 5, 10:21�pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why do people think atheists are miserable?
>Some of them are - perhaps for some the first atheist they meet is a
>miserable son of a bitch and so they stereotype all of us.
>For others the stereotype is supplied for them and they just go with
>that without questioning it.
"Go away, I've heard it all before and I'm not interested" means a
miserable SOB to them.
They rationalise why people react negatively and come up with
everything except the actual reason.
duke
>Why do people think atheists are miserable?
Not are, but will be as they wander aimlessly in hell for all eternity.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
duke
>What about Christians who shove their beliefs down our throats? I'm not
>religious and not an atheist. I respect people's right's to believe in
>whatever fairy tales they want. My problem however lies when people
>brainwash their children or force others to believe in their myths.
Shoved, and what beliefs?
That we should accept the murder of the human unborn.
That we should accept a union between a man and his dog?
That we can't display our religious symbols because atheists don't like it?
duke
wrote:
>On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:21:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Why do people think atheists are miserable? I recently re realised Jesus
>>never existed and all religion was based on a myth. When I did that I
>>laughed because I didn't have to worry about life after death or what will
>>happen to us when we die (I am still drawn towards the Buddhist view of life
>>after death though) so I don't have to worry anymore. I can enjoy life
>>without feeling guilty. In fact I think it's the Christians who should be
>>miserable, am I right?
>
>The Believers *are* miserable. They are constantly worried that if they
>misstep they'll spend eternity in "damnation". They have to attend a place
>of worship once a week to remind themselves to behave.
Ah, so that explains your massive mis-behaving.
duke
Of what?
> What if deep down they wish they could be as
>guilt free as atheists?
We, unlike you, have a moral code.
Government Shill #2
I have a moral code, Godboi.
I just need some old book, written by goat herders, when the known universe
was a few thousand square miles, to tell me what it should be.
--
Shill #2
"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When
many people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion."
Robert M. Pirsig
Government Shill #2
>On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:58:23 +0100, Government Shill #2 <gov....@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:21:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Why do people think atheists are miserable? I recently re realised Jesus
>>>never existed and all religion was based on a myth. When I did that I
>>>laughed because I didn't have to worry about life after death or what will
>>>happen to us when we die (I am still drawn towards the Buddhist view of life
>>>after death though) so I don't have to worry anymore. I can enjoy life
>>>without feeling guilty. In fact I think it's the Christians who should be
>>>miserable, am I right?
>>
>>The Believers *are* miserable. They are constantly worried that if they
>>misstep they'll spend eternity in "damnation". They have to attend a place
>>of worship once a week to remind themselves to behave.
>
>Ah, so that explains your massive mis-behaving.
What massive misbehaviour would that be, Believer?
I'm a married man, am in bed around 10pm each night and up at 7am, work 42
hours a week, pay all the tax I should, have two mortgages, donate to
charities I feel will use the money wisely, obey all of the laws of the
country I live in...
All without reference to some ancient book of fairy stories.
Government Shill #2
>On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:21:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Why do people think atheists are miserable?
>
>Not are, but will be as they wander aimlessly in hell for all eternity.
You have no idea how funny your delusions are to sane people, do you?
--
Shill #2
We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever
believed in. Some of us just go one god further.
Richard Dawkins (1941 - ), "The Root of All Evil"
Seon Ferguson
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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What a fucking moron. Why do you think just because we don't believe in some
superstitious nonsense we don't have any morals? How can a grown man like
you be so holier than thou?
Oh yeah and what moral code would that be? Killing gay people or witches?
Killing those who work on the Sabbath? How about stoning blasphemers?
There's a good moral code for ya.
Seon Ferguson
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 23:05:54 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>What about Christians who shove their beliefs down our throats? I'm not
>>religious and not an atheist. I respect people's right's to believe in
>>whatever fairy tales they want. My problem however lies when people
>>brainwash their children or force others to believe in their myths.
>
> Shoved, and what beliefs?
>
> That we should accept the murder of the human unborn.
>
It's not murder if your not alive.
> That we should accept a union between a man and his dog?
>
Most sane atheists are against bestiality.
> That we can't display our religious symbols because atheists don't like
> it?
>
Display them all you want but don't expect us to respect that insanity.
Seon Ferguson
"Government Shill #2" <gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Who is more moral? You because you choose to be a moral man or Dork because
he is afraid he will go to some mythical place called hell if he doesn't be
a good person?
harry k
Didn't take long for the standard "believe because of FEAR!" to
surface. Belief based on fear of what could happen if you don't is
the stupidist possible reason to believe anything.
Harry K
Seon Ferguson
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:21:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Why do people think atheists are miserable?
>
> Not are, but will be as they wander aimlessly in hell for all eternity.
>
Lol thanks I needed a laugh. I feel so sorry for you. How old are you?
Whatever your age is you are still too old to believe in fairy tales. It's
so sad.
L.Roberts
answers I will accept
'Will accept', to me, shows belief that we have free will in the
matter. For me, I have to think 'can accept', meaning that there are
things I can, and things I can not, accept.
If we are all given concept One, and concept One has what are given as
facts A-Z to describe it, and if, we are only shown facts A-G (which
kinda makes sense to us), and, further, are given to understand that a
lot of people believe in concept One, we just might take it on
'faith', and may be 'able' to believe it, or, at least, kinda believe
it.
But then, if at a later time, somebody directs our attention to, or we
seek out on our own, facts H-Z, which clearly counter facts A-G, then,
our 'belief' in concept One, if we take an honest look at facts H-Z,
starts to unravel, and, unless we go completely into denial of facts H-
Z we could very well find ourselves 'un-able' to believe in concept
One.
I do not believe I chose to be an atheist, I am, however, glad that I
'saw the light'.
L.Roberts
huge
Hey! Don't give him ideas!
:)
>
>
>> The Dukester, American-American
>> *****
>> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI
>> *****
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huge: Not on my time you don't.
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Oh yeah I forgot most Christians haven't even read the Bible.
Government Shill #2
wrote:
Religious kOOks think that they have a monopoly on moral behaviour. I
learnt moral behaviour from my father and his belt.
--
Shill #2
I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)
raven1
wrote:
>Why do people think atheists are miserable?
Projection.
huge
> On Dec 5, 10:21 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why do people think atheists are miserable?
> Some of them are - perhaps for some the first atheist they meet is a
> miserable son of a bitch and so they stereotype all of us. For others
> the stereotype is supplied for them and they just go with that without
> questioning it.
>
>> I recently re realised Jesus
>> never existed and all religion was based on a myth.
>
> I think "based on myth" is not quite right. Remember religion is almost
> universal - atheists are anomalies. The basis of religions is a yearning
> for meaning, for belonging, for purpose - for wanting to know our place
> in the scheme of things.
It would have been more accurate for him to have said
that religion's beliefs _are_ myths, and what religion is based
on other things. The yearnings you speak of must play
a part, but there is also agenticity (a tendency in humans to attribute
things to conscious agents) and the malleability of young
children's minds to training.
> The answers most of us are wiling to accept are
> rather primitive and stupid and dont hold up to scrutiny - the
> stories(myths) of traditional religions are what most people look to -
> but the *yearning* is there inside me as well - I am just really fussy
> about what kind of answers I will accept.
>
> Mark.
--
raven1
wrote:
>It is because most atheists are militant, abrasive hacks who don't live and
>let live and have a chip on their shoulders. They tend to not be nice
>people.
Have you considered looking at the weaver's beam in your own eye? Just
saying.
Government Shill #2
I just *don't* need some old book...
Whoops.
--
Shill #2
I am so smart...S.M.R.T.
Homer J. Simpson
j-rod
>
> Why do people think atheists are miserable? I recently re realised Jesus
> never existed and all religion was based on a myth. When I did that I
> laughed because I didn't have to worry about life after death or what will
> happen to us when we die (I am still drawn towards the Buddhist view of life
> after death though) so I don't have to worry anymore. I can enjoy life
> without feeling guilty. In fact I think it's the Christians who should be
> miserable, am I right?
>
> religious it is hard to let go of your childhood fantasy. Some people have
> no idea how dangerous religion can be on a young mind.
>
Misery loves company.
This is why the jesus freaks can't stop proselytizing.
JAM
j-rod
>
> >Why do people think atheists are miserable? I recently re realised Jesus
> >never existed and all religion was based on a myth. When I did that I
> >laughed because I didn't have to worry about life after death or what will
> >happen to us when we die (I am still drawn towards the Buddhist view of life
> >after death though) so I don't have to worry anymore. I can enjoy life
> >without feeling guilty. In fact I think it's the Christians who should be
> >miserable, am I right?
>
> misstep they'll spend eternity in "damnation". They have to attend a place
> of worship once a week to remind themselves to behave. They read and reread
> their book of how to live life constantly, because they fear making a
> mistake and angering their particular god.
>
> Fear, guilt, subservience, are all part of their "daily bread".
>
> Believers believe atheists are miserable because that's how they think they
> would feel if their god was not part of their life. They are constantly
> bombarded with messages about how much god loves them (if they behave
> exactly as god wants them to). They crave the love of their god. They think
> that if a person has no need of god, they must be miserable.
>
> This is, of course, nonsense.
>
> Shill #2
>
> A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle.
> Vique
"They read and reread their book of how to live life constantly, because
they fear making a mistake and angering their particular god."
I don't think this statement is correct. The jesus freaks I have known
do not read the book themselves. They sit passively and have it read and
interpreted for them.
JAM
Government Shill #2
>Government Shill #2 wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:21:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Why do people think atheists are miserable? I recently re realised Jesus
>> >never existed and all religion was based on a myth. When I did that I
>> >laughed because I didn't have to worry about life after death or what will
>> >happen to us when we die (I am still drawn towards the Buddhist view of life
>> >after death though) so I don't have to worry anymore. I can enjoy life
>> >without feeling guilty. In fact I think it's the Christians who should be
>> >miserable, am I right?
>>
>> The Believers *are* miserable. They are constantly worried that if they
>> misstep they'll spend eternity in "damnation". They have to attend a place
>> of worship once a week to remind themselves to behave. They read and reread
>> their book of how to live life constantly, because they fear making a
>> mistake and angering their particular god.
>>
>> Fear, guilt, subservience, are all part of their "daily bread".
>>
>> Believers believe atheists are miserable because that's how they think they
>> would feel if their god was not part of their life. They are constantly
>> bombarded with messages about how much god loves them (if they behave
>> exactly as god wants them to). They crave the love of their god. They think
>> that if a person has no need of god, they must be miserable.
>>
>> This is, of course, nonsense.
>>
>"They read and reread their book of how to live life constantly, because
>they fear making a mistake and angering their particular god."
>
>I don't think this statement is correct. The jesus freaks I have known
>do not read the book themselves. They sit passively and have it read and
>interpreted for them.
>
>JAM
Ok.
YMMV.
For you Seon:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/your_mileage_may_vary
Freedom Man
Adults no longer believe in the Tooth Fairy - but they still torture and
kill each other over ancient myths and superstitions.
"We all remember how many religious wars were fought for a religion of love
and gentleness; how many bodies were burned alive with the genuinely kind
intention of saving souls from the eternal fire of hell." --- Karl Popper
"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many
people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion."
--- Robert M. Pirsig
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that
takes religion."
--- Steven Weinberg, quoted in The New York Times, April 20, 1999
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false,
and by rulers as useful."
--- Seneca the Younger (4? BC - 65 AD)
"Religion once ruled the world. It was called the Dark Ages." --- Ruth
Green.
"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings." ---
Victor Stenger.
"I don't believe in God because I don't believe in Mother Goose." ---
Clarence Darrow
"As my ancestors are free from slavery, I am free from the slavery of
religion." --- Butterfly McQueen
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." --- Mark Twain
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in
all fiction." --- Richard Dawkins
"Cult today, religion tomorrow."
The Freedom From Religion Foundation: http://ffrf.org/
The Secular Coalition for America: www.secular.org
Secular Student Alliance: www.secularstudents.org
www.infidels.org
www.humaniststudies.org
www.atheistalliance.org
www.americanhumanist.org
BDK
gov....@gmail.com says...
Puke's cluelessness spans the universe. Notice how many of the godders
seem to enjoy saying the kind of stuff Puke posted? One of them that
used to work with me would get a strange smile on her face when she
would go into her daily "You're going to hell because
________________________________________________" mode every day.
She's a whacked in her politics as she is about religion. She's a black
republican. Talk about an oddity...
--
BDK..
Leader of the nonexistent paid shills.
Non Jew Jew Club founding member.
Former number one Kook Magnet, title passed to Iarnrod.
Virgil
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:21:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Why do people think atheists are miserable?
>
> Not are, but will be as they wander aimlessly in hell for all eternity.
That presumes that they have something called souls which are alleged to
survive the death of the body, though there is no evidence either for
existence of a soul nor for its survival, though considerable evidence
against either.
It is only those who think themselves "saved" that glory in the thought
that everyone else will be damned.
Virgil
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 23:05:54 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >What about Christians who shove their beliefs down our throats? I'm not
> >religious and not an atheist. I respect people's right's to believe in
> >whatever fairy tales they want. My problem however lies when people
> >brainwash their children or force others to believe in their myths.
>
> Shoved, and what beliefs?
The idiot crap you keep posting in alt.atheism, for example.
>
> That we should accept the murder of the human unborn.
Up until recently, no one, including Xtains, regarded unborn as people.
>
> That we should accept a union between a man and his dog?
I am not aware that anyone has tried t enact such a law anywhere.
>
> That we can't display our religious symbols because atheists don't like it?
Are atheists allowed to display anti-religious symbols everywhere in
public that Xtains want to display their religious symbols?
If not then Xtians shouldn't be allowed to either.
One of the rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights is freedom FROM
religion.
--
Virgil, American Verteran
Virgil
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >The Believers *are* miserable. They are constantly worried that if they
> >misstep they'll spend eternity in "damnation". They have to attend a place
> >of worship once a week to remind themselves to behave.
>
> Ah, so that explains your massive mis-behaving.
On the contrary, it is only believers who suffer from that delusion.
Only believers need holy help, nonbelievers can be good without it.
Virgil
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> > What if deep down they wish they could be as
> >guilt free as atheists?
>
> We, unlike you, have a moral code.
Everyone has a moral code. The only difference is that ours are internal
and inherent while yours are externally imposed and continually need
refreshing..
SkyEyes
> Why do people think atheists are miserable? I recently re realised Jesus
> never existed and all religion was based on a myth. When I did that I
> laughed because I didn't have to worry about life after death or what will
> happen to us when we die (I am still drawn towards the Buddhist view of life
> after death though) so I don't have to worry anymore. I can enjoy life
> without feeling guilty. In fact I think it's the Christians who should be
> miserable, am I right?
>
> religious it is hard to let go of your childhood fantasy. Some people have
> no idea how dangerous religion can be on a young mind.
"Projection" would be my guess.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
SkyEyes
> It is because most atheists are militant, abrasive hacks who don't live and
> let live
Whassamatter, Jimmy boy, won't the nasty old atheists let you treat
them as second-class citizens anymore? Are they standing up for
themselves? Awwwww, poor lil Jimmy, can't demonize atheists without
getting the crap kicked out of himself! What a pity.
<Spit>
Nomen Publicus
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 23:05:54 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>What about Christians who shove their beliefs down our throats? I'm not
>>religious and not an atheist. I respect people's right's to believe in
>>whatever fairy tales they want. My problem however lies when people
>>brainwash their children or force others to believe in their myths.
>
> Shoved, and what beliefs?
Too many to list.
>
> That we should accept the murder of the human unborn.
There's always condoms.
>
> That we should accept a union between a man and his dog?
Only if the dog consents
>
> That we can't display our religious symbols because atheists don't like it?
Only as the laws permit.
>
> The Dukester, American-American
> *****
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI
> *****
--
Individuals mutate, populations evolve.
Uncle Vic
> It is because most atheists are militant, abrasive hacks who don't live and
> people.
Ahhh, the Christian POV, usually arrived at through the same mechanism
they arrive at the idea that having faith in a god somehow makes that
god real. No evidence, of course, just acceptance of the word of
others.
Of course, what this amounts to is projection. You don't actually
know any atheists, do you?
I'm an atheist. I'm neither militant or abrasive. I'm quite
specialized in what I do, the furthest thing from a hack. Live and
let live is my creedo. And the chip on my shoulder was lifted when I
realized I have been an atheist all my life.
What you've described above is your average fundy christer.
--
Uncle Vic
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Mike Jones
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>> All without reference to some ancient book of fairy stories.
>>
> Who is more moral? You because you choose to be a moral man or Dork
> because he is afraid he will go to some mythical place called hell if he
> doesn't be a good person?
The classic $64k question.
Actually, I think its a lot cheaper now, what with mass production 'n all.
;)
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Mike Jones
[...]
> Puke's cluelessness spans the universe.
Sigline material. ;)
Mike Jones
Jackpot!
Mike Jones
> On Dec 5, 4:36 am, "Jim Godamnski" <J...@webtv.not> wrote:
>
>> It is because most atheists are militant, abrasive hacks who don't live
>> and let live
>
> Whassamatter, Jimmy boy, won't the nasty old atheists let you treat them
> as second-class citizens anymore? Are they standing up for themselves?
> Awwwww, poor lil Jimmy, can't demonize atheists without getting the crap
> kicked out of himself! What a pity.
>
> <Spit>
>
Heh! Nice one. :)
Syd M.
> It is because most atheists are militant, abrasive hacks who don't live and
> people.
>
No.
The only ones unwilling to not 'live and let live' are the religious
fascists.
Like you.
PDW
Syd M.
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 23:05:54 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >What about Christians who shove their beliefs down our throats? I'm not
> >religious and not an atheist. I respect people's right's to believe in
> >whatever fairy tales they want. My problem however lies when people
> >brainwash their children or force others to believe in their myths.
>
> Shoved, and what beliefs?
>
>
>
>
>
That we make you obey the same laws as everyone else?
PDW
Syd M.
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 23:04:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >"Government Shill #2" <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:f5ikh5508ck1rs0la...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:21:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>>Why do people think atheists are miserable? I recently re realised Jesus
> >>>never existed and all religion was based on a myth. When I did that I
> >>>laughed because I didn't have to worry about life after death or what will
> >>>happen to us when we die (I am still drawn towards the Buddhist view of
> >>>life
> >>>after death though) so I don't have to worry anymore. I can enjoy life
> >>>without feeling guilty. In fact I think it's the Christians who should be
> >>>miserable, am I right?
>
> >> misstep they'll spend eternity in "damnation". They have to attend a place
> >> reread
> >> their book of how to live life constantly, because they fear making a
> >> mistake and angering their particular god.
>
> >> Fear, guilt, subservience, are all part of their "daily bread".
>
> >> Believers believe atheists are miserable because that's how they think
> >> they
> >> would feel if their god was not part of their life. They are constantly
> >> bombarded with messages about how much god loves them (if they behave
> >> exactly as god wants them to). They crave the love of their god. They
> >> think
> >> that if a person has no need of god, they must be miserable.
>
> >> This is, of course, nonsense.
>
>
> Of what?
>
> >guilt free as atheists?
>
> We, unlike you, have a moral code.
>
>
So, when do you intend to follow it, Dork?
PDW
Jim Godamnski
It's like chain smokers. Ever notice about half of them are miserable and
it shows in their actions
toward others. They aren't nice.
I don't have a problem with atheists. It's just that they need to live and
let live.
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I have a need for an old book. It's called the origin of the species. I
guess if were going to go to hell at least we'll have some good company.
Seon Ferguson
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> On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 02:01:16 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Government Shill #2" <gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:soskh51sbs51cnj0m...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:37:36 -0600, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:58:23 +0100, Government Shill #2
>>>><gov....@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:21:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Why do people think atheists are miserable? I recently re realised
>>>>>>Jesus
>>>>>>never existed and all religion was based on a myth. When I did that I
>>>>>>laughed because I didn't have to worry about life after death or what
>>>>>>will
>>>>>>happen to us when we die (I am still drawn towards the Buddhist view
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>life
>>>>>>after death though) so I don't have to worry anymore. I can enjoy life
>>>>>>without feeling guilty. In fact I think it's the Christians who should
>>>>>>be
>>>>>>miserable, am I right?
>>>>>
>>>>>The Believers *are* miserable. They are constantly worried that if they
>>>>>misstep they'll spend eternity in "damnation". They have to attend a
>>>>>place
>>>>>of worship once a week to remind themselves to behave.
>>>>
>>>>Ah, so that explains your massive mis-behaving.
>>>
>>> What massive misbehaviour would that be, Believer?
>>>
>>> I'm a married man, am in bed around 10pm each night and up at 7am, work
>>> 42
>>> hours a week, pay all the tax I should, have two mortgages, donate to
>>> charities I feel will use the money wisely, obey all of the laws of the
>>> country I live in...
>>>
>>> All without reference to some ancient book of fairy stories.
>>>
>>Who is more moral? You because you choose to be a moral man or Dork
>>because
>>he is afraid he will go to some mythical place called hell if he doesn't
>>be
>>a good person?
>
>
> Religious kOOks think that they have a monopoly on moral behaviour. I
> learnt moral behaviour from my father and his belt.
>
Exactly and now you WANT to be moral. Instead religious kooks fear some
supernatural being and can only be moral if they believe in that. In fact
isn't that less moral?
> --
> Shill #2
>
> I am not young enough to know everything.
> Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)
Seon Ferguson
"Mike Jones" <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote in message
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> Responding to Seon Ferguson:
>
> [...]
>>> All without reference to some ancient book of fairy stories.
>>>
>> Who is more moral? You because you choose to be a moral man or Dork
>> because he is afraid he will go to some mythical place called hell if he
>> doesn't be a good person?
>
>
> The classic $64k question.
>
> Actually, I think its a lot cheaper now, what with mass production 'n all.
>
> ;)
>
And $64k was probably worth a lot more back then.
Seon Ferguson
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Dr. Smartass, Troll Veterinarian
>
> "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:p5qdnbUq8f-334fW...@westnet.com.au...
>> Why do people think atheists are miserable? I recently re realised
>> Jesus never existed and all religion was based on a myth. When I did
>> that I laughed because I didn't have to worry about life after death
>> or what will happen to us when we die (I am still drawn towards the
>> Buddhist view of life after death though) so I don't have to worry
>> anymore. I can enjoy life without feeling guilty. In fact I think
>> it's the Christians who should be miserable, am I right?
>>
>> I know I did that like 3 times this year but when you are brought up
>> religious it is hard to let go of your childhood fantasy. Some people
>> have no idea how dangerous religion can be on a young mind.
>
> It is because most atheists are militant, abrasive hacks who don't
> live and let live and have a chip on their shoulders. They tend to
> not be nice people.
>
> There are exceptions, though.
Fixed your top-post--just one more thing you got WRONG in your post.
You claim that "atheists are militant abrasive hacks who don't
live and let live and have a chip on their shoulders." I know it never
occurred to you (given your WebTV email address) that atheists are
painted as militant, abrasive, and whatever else simply because we stand
up for ourselves and won't play along for religious assholes who want to
tell us what to do or what to believe.
No one ever got his fucking rights by ASKING for them. We're going to
TAKE them--and you will hand them over or I will PERSONALLY make you sit
in the Comfy Chair.
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>
> "Jim Godamnski" <Ji...@webtv.not> wrote in message
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>> It is because
>
> Oh, fuck off, asshole ;)
That was abrasive and militant! *shocked*
Dr. Smartass, Troll Veterinarian
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:21:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Why do people think atheists are miserable? I recently re realised
>>Jesus never existed and all religion was based on a myth. When I did
>>that I laughed because I didn't have to worry about life after death
>>or what will happen to us when we die (I am still drawn towards the
>>Buddhist view of life after death though) so I don't have to worry
>>anymore. I can enjoy life without feeling guilty. In fact I think it's
>>the Christians who should be miserable, am I right?
>
> The Believers *are* miserable. They are constantly worried that if
> they misstep they'll spend eternity in "damnation". They have to
> attend a place of worship once a week to remind themselves to behave.
> They read and reread their book of how to live life constantly,
> because they fear making a mistake and angering their particular god.
They wear their chains publicly and loudly, to be seen wearing chains.
Religion is public theatre.
Robibnikoff
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> "Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> wrote in news:7nv62cF3latbqU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>>
>> "Jim Godamnski" <Ji...@webtv.not> wrote in message
>> news:hfdgj9$q0u$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> It is because
>>
>> Oh, fuck off, asshole ;)
>
> That was abrasive and militant! *shocked*
You know it, Toots! ;)
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Alex W.
> "Dr. Smartass, Troll Veterinarian" <gek...@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote
> in message news:Xns9CD8BAEF4A7C...@216.196.97.131...
>> "Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> wrote in news:7nv62cF3latbqU1
>> @mid.individual.net:
>>
>>>
>>> "Jim Godamnski" <Ji...@webtv.not> wrote in message
>>> news:hfdgj9$q0u$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> It is because
>>>
>>> Oh, fuck off, asshole ;)
>>
>> That was abrasive and militant! *shocked*
>
> You know it, Toots! ;)
Abrasive, militant *and* sexist!
Is there no end to your talents?
BDK
says...
> Responding to BDK:
>
> [...]
> > Puke's cluelessness spans the universe.
>
>
> Sigline material. ;)
>
>
Maybe, but it's not new, I used it a long time ago, talking about
someone else who spouted "gawdly" nonsense.
--
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Government Shill #2
wrote:
Well... if I think about it, what I want is for other people to be moral
and I can't expect them to be more moral than me, so I try to be towards
other people as I would expect them to behave toward me.
>Instead religious kooks fear some
>supernatural being and can only be moral if they believe in that. In fact
>isn't that less moral?
I think so.
--
Shill #2
"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When
many people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion."
Robert M. Pirsig
Government Shill #2
wrote:
Exactly.
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Seon Ferguson
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Well you have come to that decision from a non religious viewpoint. But it
is true if we want to live in a moral society we should all treat others
well. Richard Dawkins puts it better than (than is for more or less than I
think) me but I hope you know what I mean.
Richo
> Richo :
>
> > On Dec 5, 10:21 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Why do people think atheists are miserable?
> > miserable son of a bitch and so they stereotype all of us. For others
> > the stereotype is supplied for them and they just go with that without
> > questioning it.
>
> >> I recently re realised Jesus
> >> never existed and all religion was based on a myth.
>
> > universal - atheists are anomalies. The basis of religions is a yearning
> > for meaning, for belonging, for purpose - for wanting to know our place
> > in the scheme of things.
>
> It would have been more accurate for him to have said
> that religion's beliefs _are_ myths, and what religion is based
> on other things. The yearnings you speak of must play
> a part, but there is also agenticity (a tendency in humans to attribute
> things to conscious agents) and the malleability of young
> children's minds to training.
>
Yes - a very important factor!
I think my chief point that religions are *expressed* in myths but
based on - a long list of things including the willingness of children
to believe whatever adults tell them.
8-)
Mark.
Richo
> On Dec 5, 4:01 am, Richo <m.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 5, 10:21 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:> Why do people think atheists are miserable?
>
> > Some of them are - perhaps for some the first atheist they meet is a
> > miserable son of a bitch and so they stereotype all of us.
> > For others the stereotype is supplied for them and they just go with
> > that without questioning it.
>
> > > I recently re realised Jesus
> > > never existed and all religion was based on a myth.
>
> > I think "based on myth" is not quite right.
> > Remember religion is almost universal - atheists are anomalies.
> > The basis of religions is a yearning for meaning, for belonging, for
> > purpose - for wanting to know our place in the scheme of things.
> > stupid and dont hold up to scrutiny - the stories(myths) of
> > traditional religions are what most people look to - but the
> > *yearning* is there inside me as well - I am just really fussy about
> > what kind of answers I will accept.
>
> > Mark.
>
> answers I will accept
>
> 'Will accept', to me, shows belief that we have free will in the
> matter. For me, I have to think 'can accept', meaning that there are
> things I can, and things I can not, accept.
>
> If we are all given concept One, and concept One has what are given as
> facts A-Z to describe it, and if, we are only shown facts A-G (which
> kinda makes sense to us), and, further, are given to understand that a
> lot of people believe in concept One, we just might take it on
> 'faith', and may be 'able' to believe it, or, at least, kinda believe
> it.
>
> But then, if at a later time, somebody directs our attention to, or we
> seek out on our own, facts H-Z, which clearly counter facts A-G, then,
> our 'belief' in concept One, if we take an honest look at facts H-Z,
> starts to unravel, and, unless we go completely into denial of facts H-
> Z we could very well find ourselves 'un-able' to believe in concept
> One.
>
> I do not believe I chose to be an atheist, I am, however, glad that I
> 'saw the light'.
>
> L.Roberts
I am a combination - somethings I find impossible to believe even if I
wanted to - and some things I wouldn't want to believe.
I don't want to be a slave - so I don't acknowledge the master - if I
cant believe in the existence of the master - then that is a bonus.
The atheist - theist divide for me is not entirely about what does and
doesn't exist.
Mark.
Richo
> "Richo" <m.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:acb3e89a-cd73-4450...@u16g2000pru.googlegroups.com...> On Dec 5, 10:21 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Why do people think atheists are miserable?
> > Some of them are - perhaps for some the first atheist they meet is a
> > miserable son of a bitch and so they stereotype all of us.
> > For others the stereotype is supplied for them and they just go with
> > that without questioning it.
>
> religious zealot and I think they are all like that. But I have to keep
> reminding myself that isn't the case.
>
Yes! Its important to keep in mind that there are some intelligent and
decent believers in the world who are not like the crazies we get in
here.
> >> I recently re realised Jesus
> >> never existed and all religion was based on a myth.
>
> > I think "based on myth" is not quite right.
> > Remember religion is almost universal - atheists are anomalies.
> > The basis of religions is a yearning for meaning, for belonging, for
> > purpose - for wanting to know our place in the scheme of things.
> > The answers most of us are wiling to accept are rather primitive and
> > stupid and dont hold up to scrutiny - the stories(myths) of
> > traditional religions are what most people look to - but the
> > *yearning* is there inside me as well - I am just really fussy about
> > what kind of answers I will accept.
>
> Ok what about based on stories?
>
Thats kinda the same thing.
Religions are expressed as stories - and beliefs and rituals and
taboos and so on.
There was a time when the stories of todays religions didn't exist.
Before the people of the middle east invented the story of Abraham -
they were already religious.
Religion is a social and community thing also - the stories are only
part of it.
Mark.
Seon Ferguson
"Richo" <m.richa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Dec 5, 11:07 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Richo" <m.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:acb3e89a-cd73-4450...@u16g2000pru.googlegroups.com...>
>> On Dec 5, 10:21 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Why do people think atheists are miserable?
>> > Some of them are - perhaps for some the first atheist they meet is a
>> > miserable son of a bitch and so they stereotype all of us.
>> > For others the stereotype is supplied for them and they just go with
>> > that without questioning it.
>>
>> But I guess I sometimes get the same with religious people. I meet one
>> religious zealot and I think they are all like that. But I have to keep
>> reminding myself that isn't the case.
>>
> Yes! Its important to keep in mind that there are some intelligent and
> decent believers in the world who are not like the crazies we get in
> here.
>
Yeah I also know a lot of decent Christians.
>> >> I recently re realised Jesus
>> >> never existed and all religion was based on a myth.
>>
>> > I think "based on myth" is not quite right.
>> > Remember religion is almost universal - atheists are anomalies.
>> > The basis of religions is a yearning for meaning, for belonging, for
>> > purpose - for wanting to know our place in the scheme of things.
>> > The answers most of us are wiling to accept are rather primitive and
>> > stupid and dont hold up to scrutiny - the stories(myths) of
>> > traditional religions are what most people look to - but the
>> > *yearning* is there inside me as well - I am just really fussy about
>> > what kind of answers I will accept.
>>
>> Ok what about based on stories?
>>
> Thats kinda the same thing.
> Religions are expressed as stories - and beliefs and rituals and
> taboos and so on.
> There was a time when the stories of todays religions didn't exist.
>
> Before the people of the middle east invented the story of Abraham -
> they were already religious.
>
> Religion is a social and community thing also - the stories are only
> part of it.
>
The problem arises when people take those stories to be literal instead of
symbolic. Some of the stuff Jesus said in the Biblical stories are actually
good morals to live by. Except atheists can be moral as well with or without
these stories.
> Mark.
>
>
>
Mike Jones
> In article <pan.2009.12...@Arizona.Bay>, N...@Arizona.Bay
> says...
>> Responding to BDK:
>>
>> [...]
>> > Puke's cluelessness spans the universe.
>>
>>
>> Sigline material. ;)
>>
>>
>>
> Maybe, but it's not new, I used it a long time ago, talking about
> someone else who spouted "gawdly" nonsense.
Still good though. Credit where due, 'n all that. :)
Don Martin
wrote:
>I don't have a problem with atheists. It's just that they need to live and
>let live.
And the last time a pair of atheists appeared at your door trying to
peddle copies of "DataTower" was when, exactly?
aa #2278 If you can't be a dirty old man, what is the point of being an old man?
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Syd
> I 'm a little agnostic and a little god-fearing. So what. Idon't know.
>
>
> news:3b30341a-257a-4e99...@x16g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 5, 6:36 am, "Jim Godamnski" <J...@webtv.not> wrote:
>
> > It is because most atheists are militant, abrasive hacks who don't live
> > and
> > let live and have a chip on their shoulders. They tend to not be nice
> > people.
>
> No.
> The only ones unwilling to not 'live and let live' are the religious
> fascists.
> Like you.
>
> PDW
>On Dec 5, 6:16 pm, "Jim Godamnski" <J...@webtv.not> wrote:
> I 'm a little agnostic and a little god-fearing. So what. Idon't know.
>
You don't know what your talking about, then.
PDW
Dr. Smartass, Troll Veterinarian
news:sranh5t99pdrlkepp...@4ax.com:
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:14:59 -0600, "Jim Godamnski" <Ji...@webtv.not>
> wrote:
>
>>I don't have a problem with atheists. It's just that they need to
>>live and let live.
>
> And the last time a pair of atheists appeared at your door trying to
> peddle copies of "DataTower" was when, exactly?
New issue's out this Wednesday. Since it's "War On Christmas" month, the
quotas for delivery are higher.
Robibnikoff
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I dunno - Let's check! ;)