Re: Homeland Security for your 14 year old girl!
James H. Hood
David Chen II <davi...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ea4b942d...@news.individual.net...
> That's what you get for voting for Bush.
>
> Enjoy your police state. Trailer trash right wing fools.
You should talk, being in the land of surveillance cameras everywhere.
David Morgan (MAMS)
> David Chen II wrote in message...
> >
> > That's what you get for voting for Bush.
I don't know but a hand full of people that voted for Bush in the last election.
Forecasts and exit polls were dramatically incorrect for the first time in US
history. Hundreds of reports of potential fraud were filed with no action.
By my observations, President Bush has yet to be 'elected' to office. His
first stint in office came at the will of the Supreme Court; his second term
came as a result of Diebold voting machines and Ze Office of Der Homeland
Zecurity compromising the vote results in Ohio and Florida. I am far from
alone in this assessment.
Check out this little newscast (just one of many) from after the 2004 election:
http://www.vestigialconscience.com/5.countdown_56k.mov which cites at
least 10 anomalies in voting tabulations caused by the Diebold electronic
voting machines which leave no abilty to audit / verify.
Overlooking the fact that the Bush administration removed international
elections inspectors and monitors from the US before 2004, here's a few
more references to proof that the 2004 vote was compromised....
http://www.hermes-press.com/vote_rig.htm
http://www.hermes-press.com/criminal_vote.htm
http://www.hermes-press.com/criminal_vote2.htm
http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/columns/executive_tech/article.php/3495176
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_vote_fraud.html
http://ideamouth.com/voterfraud.htm
http://www.ac4vr.com/reports/072005/default.html
http://www.scoop.co.nz/features/usacoup.html
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0411/S00124.htm
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/983
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/14/politics/main649380.shtml
http://www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/2004_vote_fraud.html
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/10/20/loc_fraud20.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_U.S._Election_controversies_and_irregularities
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=324933
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/031104votefraud.htm
It's a little more difficult to overlook that fact that George Bush also made
a serious play at putting an end to future exit polling. (?) Why would he
be so concerned about historical polling facts?
> > Enjoy your police state.
It is definitely becoming a police state in the US, there's little doubt.
The Patriot Act and the US Senate’s vote to ban habeas corpus
(Nov 14th) - along with George W. Bush having signed executive
orders giving himself sole authority to impose martial law, suspend
habeas corpus and ignore the Posse Comitatus Act, have together
pretty much destroyed any notions of freedom and justice while most
unsuspecting and complacent Americans watched 'reality' TV shows.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051128/brecher
> > Trailer trash right wing fools.
These words hardly belong in juxtaposition. Most hard right-wingers
are upper income individuals and corporate moguls. It's the loss of
their Tax money (Bush Tax cuts) which is crumbling America today.
http://www.centrists.org/images/charts_and_graphs/deficit_1990-2004.gif
http://www.centrists.org/images/charts_and_graphs/payroll_jobs_1998-present.gif
http://www.centrists.org/images/charts_and_graphs/unemployment_rate_1998-present.gif
http://www.centrists.org/images/charts_and_graphs/wages_and_salaries.gif
http://www.centrists.org/images/charts_and_graphs/unemployment_claims.gif
http://www.centrists.org/images/charts_and_graphs/stock_index_1998-present.gif
http://www.centrists.org/images/charts_and_graphs/3month_bills.gif
The trailer trash portion of your comment must come from the mental
cancer of religious fanaticism. This fundamentalist Christian movement
to join the church with politics (against severe warning from our country's
founding fathers) is a result of years of brainwashing by the churches.
Their outpouring of support for the Bush administration - believing that
they were somehow representative of a better 'morality' - was grossly
misguided. Unfortunately, to cover up this most greivous error, the
mentally afflicted preachers are now deploying "end of the world" fear
prophecies upon thier membership... claiming that George W. Bush
(who himself said that, "God wanted me to be President...") was
actually *chosen by God* to be the person who leads the fanatics
into "The Rapture," "Armageddon," "The End of The World," because
[hallejuah brothers and sisters] IT IS WRITTEN AND PROPHESIZED !!
How sick is that ????
> You should talk, being in the land of surveillance cameras everywhere.
Ah... like part of the $2.7 BILLION dollar increase in spending for Domestic
Surveillance last year wasn't so they could watch us post right here?
Has anyone had a good look at their computer's firewall reports lately ??
I'll post short excerpts from just a few of the more questionable UDP and
TCP port probes which hit my computer yesterday and today. Call me
paranoid, but these don't look like typical spammers and server inquiries.
This is just _two days_ worth of the most questionable probe trace results.
Can you say "Big Brother" ?
(Note that all of the DOD probes are from different sources)
DM
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Stan de SD
"David Morgan (MAMS)" <ma...@NOSPAm-a-m-s.com> wrote in message
news:GZ2%f.4581$XI6.2729@trnddc05...
> "James H. Hood" wrote in message...
>
> > David Chen II wrote in message...
> > >
> > > That's what you get for voting for Bush.
>
> I don't know but a hand full of people that voted for Bush in the last
election.
You sound just like the Lefty film critic back in 1972 who couldn't
understand why Nixon won the election. After all, she lives on the Upper
West Side of Manhattan, and EVERYONE she knew voted for McGovern... :O|
> Forecasts and exit polls were dramatically incorrect for the first time in
US
> history.
Ever heard of "Dewey Defeats Truman"?
> Hundreds of reports of potential fraud were filed with no action.
Most likely because there was no evidence to support them...
> By my observations, President Bush has yet to be 'elected' to office.
Living in denial is nothing to brag about.
<useless info snipped for brevity>
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Stan de SD" <standesd_DI...@covad.net> wrote in message...
> You sound just like the Lefty film critic back in 1972 who couldn't
> understand why Nixon won the election.
I sound like me, sorry.
> Ever heard of "Dewey Defeats Truman"?
An interesting story, reminiscent of today's newspapers and television
which can't seem to stop lying, either.
> Most likely because there was no evidence to support them...
Did you watch the video? Did you read any of the web site information?
Did you hear of a single fraud complaint bring investigated by the federal
government?
> > By my observations, President Bush has yet to be 'elected' to office.
>
> Living in denial is nothing to brag about.
Denial?
He was not elected in 2000. I'll concede that on the surface, his narrowly
squeaked by in 2004.
> <useless info snipped for brevity>
So, no comment on points in the content of the post... only attacks on me ??
That's not much in the way of brevity.
So, how are things out west, Stan ??
Tim Howard
> So, no comment on points in the content of the post... only attacks on me ??
> That's not much in the way of brevity.
>
That seems to be how Stan does things. See my debate with him earlier
re: France.
Stan de SD
"Tim Howard" <tim.h...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:9rl%f.284$Oe2.261@fed1read07...
That was a debate? Sounds more like a whine coming from your corner...
America News
It does seem a number of Protestant churches in America incorrectly believe Jesus was
walking around preaching tax cuts on the rich, that poor people should not eat if they
have no job, and that sick people should only get medical care if they can afford it.
They also imply Jesus didn't promote the teachings of Moses and King Solomon, but
instead he invented the stock market or something, and wanted people to work for lower
wages with no health care so corporate stock profits could rise quicker.
A very strange view of Christ indeed, and a wholly incorrect view.
> Unfortunately, to cover up this most greivous error, the
> mentally afflicted preachers are now deploying "end of the world" fear
> prophecies upon thier membership... claiming that George W. Bush
> (who himself said that, "God wanted me to be President...") was
> actually *chosen by God* to be the person who leads the fanatics
> into "The Rapture," "Armageddon," "The End of The World," because
> [hallejuah brothers and sisters] IT IS WRITTEN AND PROPHESIZED !!
>
> How sick is that ????
It's not sick, it's just incorrect. A sickness is a physical affliction of the body. It
has nothing to do with a person's political or religious beliefs.
The misnomer sometimes floating around today falsely claiming an "end of the world" may
come is due to an incorrect and foolish interpretation of the Bible's Book of
Revelation.
Here is a correct interpretation;
Christ isn't coming again because Christ has always been here. Christ's love dwells in
us right here and now.
In the Bible, the term "Christ" is
sometimes
used to describe the person who lived 2,000
yrs ago. Other times, the term "Christ" is
used in a broad, general sense to mean
"Goodness for everyone. Great happiness
and love right now".
His love lives on in us
When Christians say "Jesus will come
again" this doesn't refer to the
physical
person Jesus coming again, because He
already came 2,000 years ago.
When people say "I need Christ back in
my life" or "Jesus will come again"
the
word "Christ" or "Jesus" is used in a
broad, general manner to mean "when
things aren't going well, they'll get
better". We want goodness back in our
lives. We are going to be more loving,
kind and forgiving when we come across
problems.
The term "Jesus" and "Christ" is also used broadly to mean "love for everyone". Proof
that the person Jesus isn't physically returning again is found in the Holy Bible
itself.
The Book of John documents how Jesus, after returning from the
cross, said to His followers "Lo, I am with you always". This is
absolute proof of His ever-present love being with us always and
for eternity. It doesn't mean Jesus will physically return again some
day in the future. To suggest this, would mean a lacking or
unfullfillment now, which would not be in accordance with Biblical
teachings that say Christ already came and fulfilled. The Book of
Revelation is a broad, general description of the pagan Roman
Empire becoming Christian, where such fierce personalities as
Nero Caesar is described as "a beast" and is given some number
like 666.
Time and time again throughout the New Testament, it is taught
that Christ came and Christ fulfilled. Christ healed those who came
to him for free. He helped those who dropped their hatred and
listened to Him; to King Solomon's wisdom, to God's wisdom.
The phrase "Jesus will come someday to save us" can be an excuse for
laziness
When we hear a person claim "Jesus will come someday to save
us" this may be used as a poor excuse for laziness, along the
same lines of "UFOs coming someday" to save the world. This isn't
going to happen.
We the people have to solve our societal problems. We the people
have to make our country better. No one else is going to come and
do it for us. The attempt to blame unresolved problems on "Jesus
not coming yet" or because "UFOs have not yet come" are poor
excuses for laziness, selfishness, corporate greed and apathy.
It's like a guy who's too lazy to get a job, to clean his house, and
mow his own lawn. Instead he says "Jesus will come someday" as
if Jesus will come to mow his lawn and clean his house. Jesus isn't
coming because Jesus already came 2,000 years ago. The love
He brought then, is here with us now, and it always will be.
What a person means when he says "Jesus will come someday" is, he needs real
goodness back, where the word "Jesus" is used in a broad manner to mean "love,
great goodness and happiness for everyone".
Christ brought full atonement between man and God over two thousand years ago. There is
nothing more to be done, other than perhaps on the individual level. Personally, someone
with problems in his own life who perhaps lies, harms others and steals should stop
doing such things, since he causes more problems for himself when he does. But it isn't
"Jesus who has not yet come" which is the reason why he breaks the law. Jesus already
came. It's because that person chose to move away from God's love and to instead break
the law.
God's love didn't leave that person, rather, that person pushed away from God's love on
his own.
God is still here
Christ's love is still here. It is the criminal who chose to move away
from God's love. It is not God who moved away from the criminal.
It's the criminal who pushed away from God.
It is the criminal's job to start forgetting about violence, selfishness
and lawlessness.
God is not a God of superstition. He is the God of Love. The Bible
specifically says "God is love" and "sin is lawlessness" in John II.
Christ's love and forgiveness lives on with us
A frequently used phrase within Christianity is "Christ was, Christ,
is, and Christ always shall be". What this means, is that Christ's
love is eternal. There is no lacking in it now. Except of course if an
individual moves away from God's love, then he will have lacking in
his own life. But there is no lacking in Christ or in God's love.
The term "Christ" is used in a broad manner
In church, Christians say "We are the body of Christ", here using
the word "Christ" in a broad, general manner to mean great
happiness and love right here and now. Another commonly used
phrase is "Christ dwells in us" where, again, the word Christ is
used in this broad manner to mean "Great love for everyone, to all
people".
Sometimes the term Jesus and God are used interchangeably. If a
Christian has no job, finds himself drinking too much and being
rude to people, he might stop and think for a while. He may say "I
need Jesus!" or "Jesus will come again". What he means, is that
he needs a change for the better in his own life. This doesn't mean
Jesus is physically going to come again sometime in the future to
pay his bills and solve his problems. It means he wants goodness
back in his own life.
Jesus, the person, never said he would come back a third time. To
suggest this would mean a lacking in His love now. The scriptures
say that genuine love and understanding of God, was brought by
Christ back then. It is up to us to embrace this goodness. It is our
own stupidity if we ignore these sensible teachings of love and
equality. It's our fault, not His fault for not coming yet because He
already came 2,000 yrs ago.
Less knowledgeable individuals
A few less knowledgeable people may talk of "Jesus the person
returning again" as if there is some lacking in Jesus' love now,
which there isn't.
In fact, a true Christian can never say "Jesus lacked" in anything,
or "Jesus didn't do something", for that person would not be real a
Christian. A true Christian cannot say that Jesus' love and His
teachings of equality weren't good enough, or don't apply to now,
for again, that person would not be a real Christian.
Claims of "Jesus the person returning" are usually made to attract
attention and they should be ignored. Jesus already came 2,000
years ago. His powerful love lives on, and it always will.
There's nothing more that Jesus the person needs to do. He
already came, and He lives on. It is up to us to do good. It is our
own stupidity if we ignore Christ's teachings. We can't blame Him
for "not returning". He already came 2,000 years ago.
The Book of Revelation was written for that time period (approx. 65 AD). It
has nothing to do with today. It tells us nothing about the future. We
determine the future by what we do in life.
The general overview of Revelation
The Bible's Book of Revelation uses broad, metaphoric grammar common
in early writings of that time period. Please ignore websites that various
uneducated people put up, attempting to tie in the Book of Revelation with
modern events. The Book of Revelation is not a fortune-telling book. It
applies to 2,000 years ago, not now.
The Book of Revelation specifically applied to back then, not today
There is no end of the world coming.
Christianity is not supposed to be superstitious. It is
supposed to promote love, forgiveness, friendship, and
equality under the law.
The Book of Revelation included historical records and apparently
promoted the overthrow of Nero Caesar, whose name was spelled "666" in
the Old Hebrew number/letter style. Revelation doesn't apply to now or the
future.
On page 1514 of the Study Edition of the New King James Version of the
Holy Bible we find the following:
"The Hebrew letters for Nero Caesar (Neron Kesar) add up to 666, the
number of the beast (13:18)"
A renowned scholar writes on the topic;
"I don't know when it got started, but these bizarre speculations, trying to
tie
apocalyptic allegory to modern earthly events... The best scholarly opinion
seem to be that the "666" stands for the name of the Roman Emperor Nero,
under whom the Christian persecutions began."
In Revelation, why would they use Nero Caesar's number/letter
writing style?
During the days of the Roman Empire no one was allowed to speak out
against the emperor. To advocate a rebellion would warrant a death
sentence. It was highly illegal. Thus, it would only make sense for a
possible rebellion to use Nero's name translated into the Old Hebrew
number/letter style.
Notice how we don't find any old writings which openly promote rebellions
against the Roman Empire? If there were any, they have been destroyed
and the writers executed.
During the days of the pagan Roman Empire life was simple; you could do pretty
much whatever you wanted, except you couldn't speak out against the
pagan Roman authorities. The penalty for that was death.
During those days, with no Freedom of Speech, a group of people wanting
to break away from the pagan Roman Empire couldn't write "Hey everyone,
get your weapons and meet at the front gate to attack the Romans on
Thursday at noon." Whoever would write such a thing would be immediately
put to death by Roman soldiers.
The Book of Revelation applied to back then, not today
There is no end of the world coming.
There is no end of time coming, ever.
God is love. Love is immortal and everlasting.
