A7V doesn't boot
Tero Patana
I just bought system and after assembly I tried
to fire thigs up. Only thing I got on the screen
was indentification of the graphic card and the
system halted there. After restart it didn't even
show up the graphic identification. I removed
about every other card than the graphic card
but it didn't help. I also removed IDE and power
cables to HD's and CD/DVD's, but with little help.
When I removed the graphic card or memory, it randomly
gave the error beebs indicating something was missing
but usually it didn't even sound these.
I think I've tried about everything I know could have
been done, so please someone give some hints what
I could try out to make the system running.
Motherboard is A7V with the bios it had in the store,
1004 i guess. Graphics card is ASUS V7700Gef2GTS and
processor is TB 1GHz.
-tp
-=Bones=-
sometimes..
mike
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"Tero Patana" <tpa...@mail.student.oulu.fi> wrote in message
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Little Johny
750. One of them runs as advertised, the other is doing the exact same
thing yours is except if I have it in jumper free mode I get kicked into the
bios with a cpu external speed setting incorect error bofore it locks. in
jumper mode it just locks either at the graphics card indent of right after
the mem test. I also have tried every hardware configuration I can think
of. the one that is working will run both the cpu's, all the ram from both
systems, all the cards from both systems...no problems. Leads me to no
other conclusion then the mobo is hosed, unless someone knows something I
havn't tried yet.
Tero Patana wrote in message ...
Royal Dutchman
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> I just bought system and after assembly I tried
> to fire thigs up. Only thing I got on the screen
> Motherboard is A7V with the bios it had in the store,
> 1004 i guess. Graphics card is ASUS V7700Gef2GTS and
> processor is TB 1GHz.
>
> -tp
Sounds to me like the mboard is broken. Go back to your store and ask
another one.
RD
Tero Patana
> Make sure your graphics card is seated properly. They can be kind of touchy
> sometimes..
>
it looks like it is as far as it can go.
JPVann
with the A7V (I've put/helped put 4 together) where the motherboard seats
too low on the case stand-offs. The result is that when you screw the
backplate of a card in, the gold contacts on the card may not seat all the
way down, leading to problems like you described.
Had this problem drive me nuts for 2 days until I realized that some of my
cards would not seat all the way down. Getting some higher plastic
stand-offs helped on my Addtronics case, used plastic spacers on another
no-name case for a friend.
"Tero Patana" <tpa...@mail.student.oulu.fi> wrote in message
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Tero Patana
> Be aware that there are some motherboard - case combinations, especially
> with the A7V (I've put/helped put 4 together) where the motherboard seats
> too low on the case stand-offs. The result is that when you screw the
> backplate of a card in, the gold contacts on the card may not seat all the
> way down, leading to problems like you described.
>
> Had this problem drive me nuts for 2 days until I realized that some of my
> cards would not seat all the way down. Getting some higher plastic
> stand-offs helped on my Addtronics case, used plastic spacers on another
> no-name case for a friend.
>
too low for the AGP/PCI-cards to fit in correctly. I tested the graphics
card with another PC, and it worked out fine. I tried to look on the
card in another machine to see how deep it should go into the slot, and
then I compared the depth in my own machine, and I wasn't sure if they
looked the same. I suppose there doesn't need to be too huge difference on
the depth to make it not work.
What I tried to ensure it's all the way down I pushed from the back of the
mboard while I inserted the graphics card, so the motherboard was unable
to bend opposite direction, in fact I pushed it so it bended towards the
graphics card. But... it didn't help. I have to try again this evening and
see more closely how far it should go.
You had exactly the same symptoms? (powers on but nothing happens)
AL
make a ground connection at these locations.
AL
"Tero Patana" <tpa...@mail.student.oulu.fi> wrote in message
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> Be aware that there are some motherboard - case combinations, especially
Tero Patana
>
> > Be aware that there are some motherboard - case combinations, especially
> > with the A7V (I've put/helped put 4 together) where the motherboard seats
> > too low on the case stand-offs. The result is that when you screw the
> > backplate of a card in, the gold contacts on the card may not seat all the
> > way down, leading to problems like you described.
> >
I did push card(s) as far as thay ever are going to go, and it didn't
help a bit. I was wondering could my old memory cause the problem? I heard
from one friend that this kind of failure had occured to him with too old
memory chip. Could anyone confirm? Unfortunately I didn't purchase any new
memory and I have only one old chip, so I can't test without it...
Rob Ramm
I had a similar problem. I found it to be the IDE cable was
incorrectly connected. If you don't put the master drive on the end of
the cable, No boot, No beeps.
JPVann
("beeps") that identify a memory problem, so no I don't think it is your
memory. Re-post some of your info and see if we can't track this down.
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Tero Patana
> Bad memory I think (old brain working here) will give you post error codes
> ("beeps") that identify a memory problem, so no I don't think it is your
> memory. Re-post some of your info and see if we can't track this down.
>
>
Ok, now I have tested with 5 different momery chips, some PC100 and two
PC133. I got the beeps for "no DRAM detected" occasionally, but not very
often. I think they sounded every time I didn't have memory on it, can't
be sure though since I wasn't keeping a record. One of the PC133 memory
chip didn't work on other PC as well, so I think it was faulty... (don't
buy the cheapest around :) ) The others were verified to work on antoher
PC.
If I'm correct, the mobo checks after memory the graphics card???
It didn't sound today single time the "graphics card missing" sound
whether I had it on the board or I didn't. So if I get it right the mobo
hangs either during the memory check or before/during the graphics check.
If the processor check comes after graphics check, then I suppose I had
the Geforce-ID on the monitor even if the CPU was broken? Can anyone
verify this? I don't even get signal to the monitor. I have tested with
Gef2GTS and TNT2, and either one didn't do anything on this computer, and
both worked just fine on another, so they aren't broken.
I just got hint that primary master IDE must be at the end of the IDE
cable. As I have taken out everything else than what's required for bios
(imho), I had disconnected all drives too. Today I did tests with HD
connected everyway to every connector, not just to the end, and turned the
cable other way, and tried 3 different cables, one of those ATA100 types,
but nothing did help. I even tried with 3 different HD's which I tested on
another PC to be working/booting just fine. So I guess this is out of the
question.
My system, with some choices I've tested with:
Enermax full tower CS-889AX
Asus A7V (don't know which bios, since haven't booted once)
AMD TB 1GHz
Majesti Titan HSF
Asus Gef2 GTS 32MB / Creative TNT2M64 32MB
2 x 128MB-PC100, 1 x 64MB-PC100 and 2 x 128MB-PC133 (one suspected faulty)
Quantum HD's, 6.4GB, 13.7GB and 20.8GB
I'm out of ideas, if someone get's the correct answer what's wrong with
it, I'd be the happiest man alive...
PS. I tried some games with the Gef2GTS on a Celeron 533 PC, and I
couldn't believe my eyes. E.g. with Q3, I had to make the resolution up to
1600x1200, and both graphics and textures to 32bit until the Demo001.dm3
did go under 50fps :) Damn the GTS kicks butt, can't do anything but
recommend to everyone!
steve Z
Secondary/Master IDE ribbon cable) when after one reboot attempt
...NOTHING!.
Finally determined the ribbon cable had became defective. Replaced it and
everything now back to normal !
Regards-
STeve Z.
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JPVann
Unfortunately it sounds like you have done everything most of us can think
of. Time now to question if CPU or MB are just plain dead - the fact that
you get nothing to boot, post or to the monitor means little or no operation
at all.
Do you hear "boot" sounds - ie hard drives spinning, floppy seek, fans
going? You said you get nothing to the monitor - it too is verified to work
properly? Didn't quite understand your testing of memory - I take it that 4
of 5 sticks did not give you any post error codes - but machine did not
start either.
Did anything happen from your actions that could have killed the CPU or MB?
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Tero Patana
> Unfortunately it sounds like you have done everything most of us can think
> of. Time now to question if CPU or MB are just plain dead - the fact that
> you get nothing to boot, post or to the monitor means little or no operation
> at all.
>
> Do you hear "boot" sounds - ie hard drives spinning, floppy seek, fans
> going? You said you get nothing to the monitor - it too is verified to work
> properly? Didn't quite understand your testing of memory - I take it that 4
> of 5 sticks did not give you any post error codes - but machine did not
> start either.
>
both in CPU and GeForce power up as normal, but nothing happens. The
monitor works just normal with another computer. I have tested every other
component with older PC but MB and CPU, since they cannot be replaced to
that old computer.
> Did anything happen from your actions that could have killed the CPU or MB?
>
I was quite careful when installing the machine, so I suppose I haven't
done anything that should have broken anything under normal conditions. I
guess I fight still for few days until I give up and carry the machine
back to the vendor.
JPVann
Since you already tried other Video cards that also did not get the monitor
working, have verified that the monitor is indeed good with another PC, hear
the system apparently going through the powering up motions and do not get
post error codes that you can identify I would say that the system obviously
thinks it is booting up normally.
Perhaps the AGP slot is bad on the motherboard. Is the BIOS setting set to
"Boot video from AGP" vs. the default setting of PCI? This one is a
stumper - only because it sounds like all of your hardware thinks it is
working correctly. I'd do a re-build, starting with switches on the
motherboard, re-seating CPU and putting in only memory and video before
giving up. Although I can't figure it out, it sounds like one of those
cases where I would be convinced the problem is solvable :) and thus drive
myself crazy until I figured it out!
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Tero Patana
> Perhaps the AGP slot is bad on the motherboard. Is the BIOS setting set to
> "Boot video from AGP" vs. the default setting of PCI? This one is a
Came to my mind, but I think if it's possible to change, I suppose it's
done from BIOS which I cannot access. Haven't seen any jumpers around
which would change the video device. Actually I guess it's autodetected...
> stumper - only because it sounds like all of your hardware thinks it is
> working correctly. I'd do a re-build, starting with switches on the
> motherboard, re-seating CPU and putting in only memory and video before
I have, few times... All switches are in default-position. Ihave checked
them to be at correct position, and the default configuration seems to be
like it should be. I think there's something wrong in the MB or AGP-slot
or CPU, since memory beebs come correctly if I remove memory, but video
beebs don't come if I take the AGP card away. When I removed the CPU it
gave quite strange tones, switching between two frequencies giving long
beebs. Few times yesterday, with everything on, it gave endless beeb when
there shouldn't have been anything wrong...
> giving up. Although I can't figure it out, it sounds like one of those
> cases where I would be convinced the problem is solvable :) and thus drive
> myself crazy until I figured it out!
Haven't I!!!
Just talked with vendor and he suggested that I bring it on to him to
check with other parts to ensure if there's something wrong with it. I
have to give up...
JPVann
card out, you get no POST errors - that is not normal (obviously). The
motherboard is unable to recognize the video BIOS and is thus faulty - it is
a primary/first requirement for MB operation!
You do indeed appear to have a bad motherboard.
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issue with 4 different motherboards - (2x)VIA
MVP3 Chipset Boards and (2X)Asus A7V boards. In
the first instance, I tryed swapping everything -
CPU, Power Supply, Memory, Motherboard, AGP Video
card, PCI Video card EVERYTHING! Everything I
swapped worked fine in my now running server,
however none of the parts worked in my
workstation. After several days of playing
around and swapping swapping swapping... I
decided to give up and get an Athlon 1GHZ
Thunderbird and AsusA7v. I also got a brand new
300Watt Power Supply - in case that was the
beginning of all my troubles. Everything worked
fine for about 2 weeks, and now I am back with
the same problems all over again. I figured the
board was bad, so brought it back to the store
and got another. Put that in, and same
problems. NO VIDEO SYNC. Remove CPU - Get funny
beeps as you did. Remove memory - no beeps??
Remove video card - no beeps. I know that the
board is getting power... LED is lit, plus the
fan on my AGP video card and CPU are running, and
the link light of my 3com NIC is lit (when it was
in - i dont have anything currently installed,
except for the video card. I tryed another known-
working AGP card - same results. I tryed a
working PCI vga card, with same results. I tryed
clearing the bios by shorting the soder points on
the MB, and even removed the CMOS battery. Im
really frustrated, and baffled.... 2 different
A7V motherboards with two different bios
versions. Please let me know if you find an
answer to this hell. Thanks in advance.
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> > > > > I had been doing a lot of CD_ROM drive
testing
> > (connecting/disconnecting
> > > > the
> > > > > Secondary/Master IDE ribbon cable) when
after one reboot attempt
> > > > > ...NOTHING!.
> > > > > Finally determined the ribbon cable had
became defective. Replaced it
> > and
> > > > > everything now back to normal !
> > > > > Regards-
> > > > > STeve Z.
> > > > > "Tero Patana"
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Tero Patana
Finally the answer has arrived to my problem.. (see previous post on the
topic "A7V doesn't boot")
The CPU was checked and seems to have broken for some reason. I haven't
yet got the PC for myself, since new parts are on their way, but I hope I
get them in few days and get them to work.
Quite strange that nothing happens in the MB if the CPU is defect, not
even the post-error -sounds...
If nothing goes wrong this time, this will be my last post here until
next time :) Many thanks to all those who gave me advices on the issue,
though the hardware was defect and because of that unable to be corrected
by myself.
-tp