Christian antisemitism - Asking the right questions.
M
Macabi wrote:
>
> I feel that the following are the sorts of questions that should be asked
> about the New Testament.
>
There are both positive and negaitves things about Jewish people in the NT,
as in the Hebrew Bible as well.
For example "Salvation is from the Jews." in the gospel of John, Jesus said
this, I think it's ch. 3 or 4
Murray
>
> 1) What might be the likely social consequences of uncritically
> propagating a prejudiced stereotype of "the Jew" for centuries (as has
> happened in the case of the New Testament)? Might this be the root
> cause of antisemitism during the Christian era? Would the Holocaust
> have happened in its absence?
>
> 2) What can be done to neutralize the New Testament's antisemitic
> potential? For example, an expurgated version might be made the
> standard. Alternatively, a version might be produced in which the
> offensive anti-Jewish material is highlighted and referenced to notes
> at the back containing appropriate explanations (e.g. by placing this
> material in its historical context, etc).
Kim Glasspole
mis-translations of the New Testament around. Yet there is also a fairly new
translation, called the Jewish New Testament. It seeks among other things to
set the record straight, and remove the King James antiSemitism.
This is not an advertisement for the JNT, but it is a very good version.
Going with it is a Jewish New Testament Commentary. As a Messianic Jew I
have found these helpful while studying at Theological College in the UK -
England is one of the worst countries in the world when it comes to history
of antiSemitism.
Most times where most versions of the New Testament have "the Jews" it could
actually mean Judeans, anyway. This could explain why some of the passages
which are regarded as antiSemitic appear to be so. Context - Sitz im Leben -
is vitally important if we are to understand anything. It is worrying,
though, that so many otherwise good teachers over the years have
misinterpretted and misquoted the Bible so as to make it appear to be
antiSemitic.
It doesn't help when people's names are changed - Ya'acov to James &c.
The Satanic idea of antiSemitism pervades the "church" & is believed to be
true by many in it.
Yes, let's ask church leaders the right questions
Stryker
> propagating a prejudiced stereotype of "the Jew" for centuries (as has
> happened in the case of the New Testament)? Might this be the root
> cause of antisemitism during the Christian era?
Yup! Any Christian worth his salt will take the same attitude toward Jews
(Pharisees) that Christ did. Who is an ANTICHRIST, but he that denies Jesus
Christ?
> 2) What can be done to neutralize the New Testament's antisemitic
> potential? For example, an expurgated version might be made the
> standard. Alternatively, a version might be produced in which the
> offensive anti-Jewish material is highlighted and referenced to notes
> at the back containing appropriate explanations (e.g. by placing this
> material in its historical context, etc).
The words and times are straightforward enough for the reader to judge for
himself. The fact that you need to produce an 'expurgated' version says
much about the fact that Jews throughout history, in their war against
Christianity, have always directed their most critical volleys at the Holy
Bible.
Regards,
Stryker
Stryker
could
> actually mean Judeans, anyway.
This is true, a Judean was any inhabitant of the Roman province of Judea,
and could have included anybody. But the words of Christ in controversy
were spoken against PHARISEES, who were the ideological founders of modern
Judaism, exponents of the (then spoken) Traditions of the Elders, etc.
Regards,
Stryker
Alan Sindler
Stryker,
Why don't you refer him to your website, the one you've posted before. The big
swastika and the lovely picture of Adolph on the home page should tell him
exactly where it is your're coming from.
Regards,
Alan s.
--
-Any point of view is too small for the whole truth.
Stryker
The big
> swastika and the lovely picture of Adolph on the home page should tell
him
> exactly where it is your're coming from.
> Regards,
> Alan s.
Hi Alan,
Sure! Be glad to. http://www4.stormfront.org/posterity There is a
National Socialist section there accessible from the front page. In an
effort to be balanced, there is a commie section too so don't say I don't
play fair. <g>
You say the above to try to discredit what I have written, but that fact is
truth is truth regardless of the source. And if I might digress a bit, if
the Holocaust did happen the way the Establishment says it did (and it most
certainly did not) then of course Hitler would have went too far. The truth
is, however, that many Jews and others died in camps which, because of
bombings, were denied crucial supplies near the end of the war. Thus, the
pictures you see are of STARVING, EMACIATED bodies, hardly the products of
a 'gas chamber'. I would imagine that the Japanese interned here in the
good ole' USA would have suffered a similar fate had we been overrun by the
other side.
The winners in ANY war get all the spoils, including the 'right' to write
the history books. Has nothing to do with truth. Remember that and it will
serve you well.
Regards,
Stryker
Royce Buehler
In article <01be8815$d9fa41a0$52ef02cf@peter>, "Stryker" <Stryke...@hotmail.com> writes:
[Tired revisionist tripe snipped]
> The winners in ANY war get all the spoils, including the 'right' to write
> the history books. Has nothing to do with truth. Remember that and it will
> serve you well.
Germany has been a sovereign republic for over fifty years since the
war ended. Two generations of Germans have passed through its teaching
institutions. They are free to write their own history books, even though
they lost Hitler's war. And their own histories acknowledge as fact the
genocide which, in order to pretty up your own Nazi philosophy, you
deny.
If we were ever to encounter someone who *both* believed Hitler was a
misunderstood, gemutlich humanitarian who never harmed one hair of a Jew's
head - and if that someone *also* refrained from badmouthing Jews in general
at every opportunity, then revisionism might gain a miniscule amount of
credibility.
But since every holocaust denier is, like yourself, also an anti-semite,
it is plain enough where your denial of reality comes from. And y'all's
credibility is, to borrow a phrase from Mr. Costello, less than zero.
--
Royce Buehler bue...@space.mit.edu
"Comme un fou se croit Dieu, nous nous croyons mortels"
-- Pierre Delalande
Stryker
write
> > the history books. Has nothing to do with truth. Remember that and it
will
> > serve you well.
>
> Germany has been a sovereign republic for over fifty years since the
> war ended. Two generations of Germans have passed through its teaching
> institutions. They are free to write their own history books, even though
> they lost Hitler's war. And their own histories acknowledge as fact the
> genocide
Your lack of grasp on the current political situation in Europe is amazing.
It is ILLEGAL in most of Europe, including Germany, to deny the
Establishment view of the events of the 'holocaust'. In fact, were I, as a
Revisionist webpublisher, to step on German soil today I would be arrested
and incarcerated for up to 5 years because my site is accessible in
Germany.
I think those facts speak more for what they've got to hide, as well as who
is actually IN POWER, than for actual truth.
Nobody is denying that Jews didn't die in the camps. We are, however,
questioning the numbers as well as the intent. Go to
http://www4.stormfront.org/posterity/ns where there are several Revisionist
articles and links to other sites which go into amazing detail on each and
every Establishment claim. You will see that there is indeed a motive
behind the holocaust story, which is paper thin when viewed in the light of
scrutiny. Precisely why it CANNOT, according to the European power elite,
be scrutinized.
> But since every holocaust denier is, like yourself, also an anti-semite,
This is hardly the case. I am an anti-'semite', tis true, but many
Revisionists are simply trying to set the record straight (Arthur Butz,
David Irving, etc.).
Regards,
Stryker
Royce Buehler
Our local professional antisemite strikes again.
In article <01be8773$fc10c9a0$48ef02cf@peter>, "Stryker" <Stryke...@hotmail.com> writes:
[Macabi had asked]
> > 1) What might be the likely social consequences of uncritically
> > propagating a prejudiced stereotype of "the Jew" for centuries (as has
> > happened in the case of the New Testament)? Might this be the root
> > cause of antisemitism during the Christian era?
The root cause of antisemitism during the Christian era was xenophobia.
There is no prejudiced stereotype of "the Jew" in the New Testament;
on the contrary, all sorts of types and conditions of Jews are represented
there; nearly all the major characters are Jewish; and these include
Jesus, his Jewish mother, and all of the Apostles.
There is language in the New Testament which reflects the mutual dislike
between first century Christians and the first century Jewish religious
establishment. And there is language which reflects Jesus' own criticism
of some religious leaders. But it was xenophobia looking for a target, not
that language, which was determinative in spawning European antisemitism.
Anyone with an ounce of charity and good will, reading the negative language
in context, can easily defuse it.
[SStryker]:
> Yup! Any Christian worth his salt will take the same attitude toward Jews
> (Pharisees) that Christ did.
And what was Christ's attitude toward the Pharisees? He asserted that
they were to be obeyed, because they held authority from Moses. He
ate with them, taught them, bantered with them (the technical term I
believe is pilpul.)
Leaders among the Pharisees were prominent among Christ's followers.
Nicodemus was such a leader; so was Joseph of Arimathea; so was Jairus,
whose faith was so great that Jesus raised his daughter from the dead.
Paul was a Pharisee, trained under Gamaliel, and remained proud of the fact
throughout his career. He continued to identify himself as a Pharisee right
up to the moment of his final arrest. (Acts 23:6) Finally, the vast majority
of the Christian congregation in Jerusalem were Jews "zealous of the law",
presumably Pharisees. (Acts 21:20)
Any Christian worth his salt will actually study the Bible, rather
than running around badmouthing God's chosen people.
[Macabi]:
> > 2) What can be done to neutralize the New Testament's antisemitic
> > potential? For example, an expurgated version might be made the
> > standard. Alternatively, a version might be produced in which the
> > offensive anti-Jewish material is highlighted and referenced to notes
> > at the back containing appropriate explanations (e.g. by placing this
> > material in its historical context, etc).
An expurgated version is just plain not on. Someone could try to produce
it, but it wouldn't be taken seriously. How would you yourself feel
about a move to purge Tanakh of all passages some committee deemed not
to be politically correct? People simply don't treat their sacred texts that
way.
Your second suggestion has more merit. Since there are about a gazillion
editions of the bible around, a lot of people will need to write a
lot of notes! It's important to observe that it isn't enough to defang
the negative passages, though that is certainly easy enough to do.
The many traditionally overlooked positive passages need to be highlighted
and cross-referenced as well.
It's a monumental job. To a certain degree, it's already under way. For
several decades, all major branches of Christianity have been wide open
to a clearer understanding of these problem passages. Time will tell
whether the new ethos will sink in far enough to become second nature for
the church. I am optimistic that it will.
[SStryker]:
> the fact that Jews throughout history, in their war against
> Christianity, have always directed their most critical volleys at the Holy
> Bible.
The Jews throughout history have been busy enough just surviving while
we Christians killed them, raped them, expelled them, and robbed them.
And of course, around three quarters of the Holy Bible consists of their
own deeply revered scriptures. You know - those Torah scrolls your hero
Hitler forced them at gunpoint to piss on.
I do hope, SStryker, that while you're out here posting, someone is
sweeping up and aerating, back under your rock? For halitosis, there's
Listerine. But for the fetor rising from your brain, there's no known
palliative.
Stryker
> There is no prejudiced stereotype of "the Jew" in the New Testament;
> on the contrary, all sorts of types and conditions of Jews are
represented
> there; nearly all the major characters are Jewish; and these include
> Jesus, his Jewish mother, and all of the Apostles.
All the major characters were JUDEANS, which is the proper translation
where the word 'Jew' has only recently (early 1800's) been placed. They
were residents of the Roman province of Judea. Many were Hebrews, but many
Edomites were followers of the religion of Judaism due to their app.125 BC
forcible conversion. Neither Jesus nor his disciples practiced what is
known as the modern TALMUD based religion of Judaism, formed in Babylon
(Mystery Babylon... get it?).
Please study the following passages:
Matthew 15:
1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem,
saying,
2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they
wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the
commandment of God by your tradition?
Here Jesus says that they 'transgress the commandment of God' by their
'traditions' (meaning Traditions of the Elders...the roots of modern
Judaism, later written in the TALMUD).
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that
curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a
gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye
made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with
their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments
of men.
10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which
cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the
Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath
not planted, shall be rooted up.
In verse 13 Jesus condemns the Pharisees as plants which will be rooted
up...not of God.
14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind
lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.
16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth
goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the
heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries,
fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands
defileth not a man.
The 'Jewish' faith of denies Christ, do they not? The Bible
clearly defines that antichrists are those who deny Christ:
"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus
Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist." I John
1:7
Do the Jews (practitioners of Judaism) confess that Jesus Christ is the Son
of God?
Should we love the enemies of Christ?
Psalm 139:20-24 is pretty clear on the attitude we are to take regarding
the enemies of God (Christ).
20 For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in
vain.
21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with
those that rise up against thee?
22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
24 And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way
everlasting.
David counts them HIS enemies... Sure, we are to love OUR neighbor, OUR
enemy...WITHIN the Kingdom and fellowship of Christ. But we are NEVER to
give aid or solace to the enemies of Christ.
II Chronicles 19:2 states we are not to love them that hate the Lord:
And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king
Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the
LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.
So you see, wrath could come upon us from God if we love those who hate
Christ. We know what Christ's attitude toward the religion of Judaism was.
Why should our attitude be any different? Are we not to follow the example
of Christ?
We are to love our Christian neighbor no matter how he may offend us. We
are to forgive him seventy times seven, but to aid and abet the enemies of
Christ is heresy to the worst degree.
"If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not
into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God
speed is partaker of his evil deeds." II John 1:10-11
The Bible says that we are not even to bid the proponents of false
doctrines God speed, or admit them into our house, lest we be a partaker of
their evil deeds. Do the Jews preach a false doctrine?
> And what was Christ's attitude toward the Pharisees?
See above!
> Leaders among the Pharisees were prominent among Christ's followers.
> Nicodemus was such a leader; so was Joseph of Arimathea; so was Jairus,
> whose faith was so great that Jesus raised his daughter from the dead.
> Paul was a Pharisee, trained under Gamaliel, and remained proud of the
fact
> throughout his career.
Paul remained proud of the fact that he persecuted and murdered Christians
throughout his early career???? Chapter and verse please!
> of the Christian congregation in Jerusalem were Jews "zealous of the
law",
> presumably Pharisees. (Acts 21:20)
I consider myself 'zealous of the law'. I am hardly a Pharisee.
> Any Christian worth his salt will actually study the Bible, rather
> than running around badmouthing God's chosen people.
Seems you are the one with alot of studying to do sir. As for your 'God's
Chosen People' tripe, those who are CHRIST'S are His Chosen, not by blood,
but by Christ.
"And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to
the promise." Gal. 3:29
And you should know that since Jewish history is full of periods of
admixture, conversions, etc. there are no pure Hebrews left. If even one
drop of their blood is non-Hebrew then your theory is moot anyway. My gripe
with the Jewish people has nothing to do with RACE, but with ACTIONS. After
all, Judaism is a culture based on a degenerate anti-Christ religion. That
you cannot deny. And even so, can you prove that the Jews are pure Hebrews
racially?
I'm afraid your 'theology' is lacking.
CHRIST was the gift of the Hebrews, the blessing on the nations. After
Christ there was no difference between the Judean and the Greek. All became
one in Christ. CHRISTIANS are the CHOSEN PEOPLE.
Now I suppose we'll see if you really believe the Bible.
Regards,
Stryker
Regards,
Stryker
Alan Sindler
>
> > Why don't you refer him to your website, the one you've posted before.
> The big
> > swastika and the lovely picture of Adolph on the home page should tell
> him
> > exactly where it is your're coming from.
> > Regards,
> > Alan s.
>
> Hi Alan,
> Sure! Be glad to. http://www4.stormfront.org/posterity There is a
> National Socialist section there accessible from the front page. In an
> effort to be balanced, there is a commie section too so don't say I don't
> play fair. <g>
>
> You say the above to try to discredit what I have written, but that fact is
> truth is truth regardless of the source. And if I might digress a bit, if
> the Holocaust did happen the way the Establishment says it did (and it most
> certainly did not) then of course Hitler would have went too far. The truth
> is, however, that many Jews and others died in camps which, because of
> bombings, were denied crucial supplies near the end of the war. Thus, the
> pictures you see are of STARVING, EMACIATED bodies, hardly the products of
> a 'gas chamber'. I would imagine that the Japanese interned here in the
> good ole' USA would have suffered a similar fate had we been overrun by the
> other side.
I do not say the above to try to discredit what you've written. I merely point
it out so others will know where you're coming from. I knew you wouldn't mind
posting it again, and I did hope that you would.
It is a shame that an apparently intelligent chap like yourself would believe
the Nazi propaganda bullshit that you do. I don't believe what I read or see
on TV necessarily, but I grew up in a town with many concentration camp
survivers. The real ones, with numbers tattoo'd on their arms as a constant
reminder. Their many stories were all identical. You can say it's some kind of
Jewish plot to lie to get sympathy, but even you, after spending a day
listening to their stories, would understand that you've been lied to be
Hitler wannabe's, if you truly listened.
> The winners in ANY war get all the spoils, including the 'right' to write
> the history books. Has nothing to do with truth. Remember that and it will
> serve you well.
>
> Regards,
> Stryker
Something I'm quite well aware of, thank you. Also remember that it's easier
to lie about the past the older the past becomes. Enough of the witnesses die
and people can start claiming things never happened. They did, and it's a
shame you don't believe it. I don't think you're an evil dude, BTW, you even
come off quite civil. I just believe you've been severely misinformed.
I've been around the block more often than you, I think. I recall you saying
you're college age? I've met the people you just read about, and I know better
than to buy into the Nazi revisionism that's going around certain circles.
Anyway, wish you well. Hope your eyes get opened to the facts, but if not,
it's still interesting talking to ya.
Regards,
Alan S.
David S. Maddison
It is not illegal (in most places) to question whether or not a historical
fact occured. Its just that it makes the questioner look like an idiot...
David Maddison
Stryker
> point it out so others will know where you're coming from. I knew you
wouldn't
> mind posting it again, and I did hope that you would.
Fair enough.
> It is a shame that an apparently intelligent chap like yourself would
> believe the Nazi propaganda bullshit that you do. I don't believe what I
read or
> see on TV necessarily, but I grew up in a town with many concentration
camp
> survivers. The real ones, with numbers tattoo'd on their arms as a
constant
> reminder. Their many stories were all identical. You can say it's some
kind
> of Jewish plot to lie to get sympathy, but even you, after spending a day
> listening to their stories, would understand that you've been lied to be
> Hitler wannabe's, if you truly listened.
For me it was a long process of study, about 2 years, during which I
particularly went through the transcripts of the Zundel trial (the
publisher who was put on trail in 1985 for daring to publish a 'denial'
book). I got to thinking, what are they so afraid of? I also studied the
established 'history' and compared each side. It took awhile, because I
hated to admit that I'd been lied to. But there are just so many things,
and I think if you actually visited the links on my website and actually
READ the material available there you will begin to see what I mean. I
cannot stress enough the value of actually reading BOTH sides, ALL of what
they have to say.
AGAIN, many Jews were imprisoned just because they were Jews. Hundreds of
thousands died. Many were shot and killed in many ways, not all justly. But
can you truly say the survivors you met actually counted the mythical 'six
million?'
Beyond questionable testimony there is NO HARD EVIDENCE that gas chambers
existed... besides there are far more efficient ways to kill.
I don't believe the Nazis were all good, far from it! But they were just
one side in a brutal war with evil on ALL sides.
> I don't think you're an evil dude, BTW, you
> even come off quite civil. I just believe you've been severely
misinformed.
I guess you could say I think the same of you, which is cool. But you've
got to realize that I've read your side of the historical story. Have you
truly studied mine?
I've met folks like Ernst Zundel, had dinner with him and his family. I
know what kind of man he is, he wouldn't harm a fly! He is full of
character and courage, more than most folks I know. Yet they are trying to
put the guy in prison for nothing but a thought crime! There was even a
ruling awhile back that 'truth is no defense' when it comes to these sort
of 'hate' laws! I'm sorry, but that sort of thing really 'gets' to me.
> I've been around the block more often than you, I think. I recall you
> saying you're college age? I've met the people you just read about, and I
know
> better than to buy into the Nazi revisionism that's going around certain
circles.
Yes, I'm 24 and done with college though. Your attitude reminds me of my
father, in that respect, but I finally got him to actually READ the
material and compare. My grandparents fought Nazis just like everybody
else's, so it was hard for him.
> Anyway, wish you well. Hope your eyes get opened to the facts, but if
not,
> it's still interesting talking to ya.
Same here!
Best,
Stryker
Alan Sindler
<snip>
> For me it was a long process of study, about 2 years, during which I
> particularly went through the transcripts of the Zundel trial (the
> publisher who was put on trail in 1985 for daring to publish a 'denial'
> book). I got to thinking, what are they so afraid of? I also studied the
> established 'history' and compared each side. It took awhile, because I
> hated to admit that I'd been lied to. But there are just so many things,
> and I think if you actually visited the links on my website and actually
> READ the material available there you will begin to see what I mean. I
> cannot stress enough the value of actually reading BOTH sides, ALL of what
> they have to say.
Stryker, as much value as there is in reading books, there is much more value
in actually meeting the people who were involved. I've not only met them, I've
known them intimately, listened to their stories, seen the photo's. This
includes not only many Jews I've known who were in the camps, but the soldiers
who were involved in liberating them. Books are fine, but they can't replace
real life.
> AGAIN, many Jews were imprisoned just because they were Jews. Hundreds of
> thousands died. Many were shot and killed in many ways, not all justly. But
> can you truly say the survivors you met actually counted the mythical 'six
> million?'
Let's suppose the count was wrong. Let's say it was half wrong, and only 3 million.
Let's even say it was half of that, 1.5 million. Is that okay?
> Beyond questionable testimony there is NO HARD EVIDENCE that gas chambers
> existed... besides there are far more efficient ways to kill.
Do you consider the testimony of *every* single concentration camp survivor
"questionable"? Not to mention the testimony of almost *every* single allied
soldier who saw it first hand, and the testimony of *many* of the Nazi
soldiers who were involved, as well? Isn't that called selective hearing?
> I don't believe the Nazis were all good, far from it! But they were just
> one side in a brutal war with evil on ALL sides.
There are matters of degrees. The allied troops committed atrocities, I'm
sure. It was the German's, Italians, and Japanese, however, who started the
war by invading other countries, but the much more despicable part was how
they, (especially the Nazi's), treated the citizens of those countries, even
citizens of their own country, if they were Jews, or the handicapped.
<snip>
There is no substitute for experience, but the next best thing is learning,
and learning from, the experience of others. I speak from experience here, my friend.
Martin Smith
Your first point is related to fallen people on a fallen world, the bible
covers it quite well.
Point 2, If Jesus said something the it's correct and has lasting
significance reguardless of historical context. You are probably aware of
what the bible says about neither adding nor subtracting to the word of God.
Macabi wrote in message <371bd0bc...@news.cwcom.net>...
Martin Smith
Alan Sindler
>
> > Stryker, as much value as there is in reading books, there is much more
> value
> > in actually meeting the people who were involved. I've not only met them,
> I've
> > known them intimately, listened to their stories, seen the photo's. This
> > includes not only many Jews I've known who were in the camps, but the
> soldiers
> > who were involved in liberating them. Books are fine, but they can't
> replace
> > real life.
>
> talk to them then by all means do so! Talk to Zundel, to Ingrid Rimland
> (whose family hails from Eastern Europe), to David Irving (who has probably
> seen more Nazi source records than any other historian) and others. There
> are as many eyewitnesses against the traditional view than for it. They are
> just suppressed.
I've talked to the people involved, yet you're imploring me to read "the other
side". There will always be those who make excuses and try to rationalize, but
I'm old enough to remember what actually happened. You're reading revisionist
history, written by Nazi sympathizers. Hardly an even comparison.
> At any rate, if you saw a 'gas chamber' then you would be dead anyway...
> had they existed. It was simply a camp rumor. Crematoria? Yup! They
> cremated the dead both inside and outside the camps. How many crematoria
> did the Germans have in the camps? What was their capacity? Certainly not
> the couple thousand a day that Holocausters have to say to keep their story
> straight, that's for sure.
And all the empty canisters of lethal gas that were found, and photographed,
were there to kill insects? Come on Stryker, how can you believe this? Do you
think every single concentration camp survivor lied? Do you believe the allied
soldiers who saw the aftermath all lied as well?
> There's stuff, scientific stuff, that you've just got to READ, Alan. Either
> it was possible or it wasn't. Pure and simple. Go to my site and read the
> material. Access the link especially to the Zundelsite. There's more source
> material, and plenty of eyewitness stuff, than you will ever need.
I will read the material, and give you my honest opinion when I've done so.
> > Let's suppose the count was wrong. Let's say it was half wrong, and only
> 3 million.
> > Let's even say it was half of that, 1.5 million. Is that okay?
>
> More like half a million. Tragic? Yes! The SS also went around shooting
> partisans and other assorted commies on the Eastern front. Some were
> doubtless innocent, but if you read anything about partisan warfare you
> would agree with the German policy against partisans, I think.
Oh boy, I'm afraid that the only folks that will even come close to agreeing
with your "count" are Nazi apologists. It's so easy, fifty years later, to
start claiming the facts are wrong. Many of the eye witnesses are dead, or too
old to speak out any more. It's all been said, filmed, documented and
recorded. Thank goodness it was recorded, otherwise more folks might start to
believe the lies. BTW I do not accuse *you* of lying, I believe that you
believe what you've said. That's what concerns me, however. How soon people
forget, and the revisionism can begin!
> > Do you consider the testimony of *every* single concentration camp
> survivor
> > "questionable"? Not to mention the testimony of almost *every* single
> allied
> > soldier who saw it first hand, and the testimony of *many* of the Nazi
> > soldiers who were involved, as well? Isn't that called selective hearing?
>
> The testimonys of both sides cancel each other out. Now it comes down to
> plain ole' hard evidence. Incidentally, there's not one photo that can't be
> explained with reason, logic, and common sense.
You missed the point I was making. Not only the camp survivors, and the allied
soldiers, but *also* the testimony of many of the Nazi soldiers cooberated the
stories being told. Even *if* the Germans soldiers denied it, it would hardly
cancel out the testimony of thousands of eyewitnesses. My point, however, is
that the *same* testimony was given by some ex-Nazi's themselves.
> > There are matters of degrees. The allied troops committed atrocities, I'm
> > sure. It was the German's, Italians, and Japanese, however, who started
> the
> > war by invading other countries, but the much more despicable part was
> how
> > they, (especially the Nazi's), treated the citizens of those countries,
> even
> > citizens of their own country, if they were Jews, or the handicapped.
>
> Germany missed out on a great opportunity to gain some allies had they
> treated folks better than they did. However, much amiss as they were, a
> favorite tactic of Stalin was to dress partisans up as Nazis and have them
> burn a village and kill all the inhabitants... stuff like that, to keep
> public sentiment away from the Germans. Pretty devious but not a bad plan
> for an evil guy. Even so, most Ukrainians supported the Germans to the end.
You're so young comparatively, I can understand how years after the events,
one could be misled into believing revisionist history. You'll hardly find
anyone that was an adult at the time buying into it, however.
> Plenty of German soldiers were hanged for stuff like rape, pillage, etc.
> however. Soldiers were also hanged for needlessly shooting camp prisoners.
> The SS records speak to this.
And there's actual film footage of SS soldiers shooting woman and children in
the back. If you've never seen it, you should take a look for yourself. Maybe
the camera can lie today, but the very own camera's of the Germans couldn't
back then.
The technology just wasn't available to make it up.
> More later I'm sure,
> Best,
> Stryker
sighm...@mindspring.com
This attitude started with Constantine, in his separation of Judah and
the new version of Chrisitians by decree and law.
On Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:59:54 -0600, Alan Sindler
<als...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Stryker wrote:
>>
>> > 1) What might be the likely social consequences of uncritically
>> > propagating a prejudiced stereotype of "the Jew" for centuries (as has
>> > happened in the case of the New Testament)? Might this be the root
>> > cause of antisemitism during the Christian era?
>>
Stryker
value
> in actually meeting the people who were involved. I've not only met them,
I've
> known them intimately, listened to their stories, seen the photo's. This
> includes not only many Jews I've known who were in the camps, but the
soldiers
> who were involved in liberating them. Books are fine, but they can't
replace
> real life.
No, they can't, but I still implore you to read the other side. If you can
talk to them then by all means do so! Talk to Zundel, to Ingrid Rimland
(whose family hails from Eastern Europe), to David Irving (who has probably
seen more Nazi source records than any other historian) and others. There
are as many eyewitnesses against the traditional view than for it. They are
just suppressed.
At any rate, if you saw a 'gas chamber' then you would be dead anyway...
had they existed. It was simply a camp rumor. Crematoria? Yup! They
cremated the dead both inside and outside the camps. How many crematoria
did the Germans have in the camps? What was their capacity? Certainly not
the couple thousand a day that Holocausters have to say to keep their story
straight, that's for sure.
There's stuff, scientific stuff, that you've just got to READ, Alan. Either
it was possible or it wasn't. Pure and simple. Go to my site and read the
material. Access the link especially to the Zundelsite. There's more source
material, and plenty of eyewitness stuff, than you will ever need.
> Let's suppose the count was wrong. Let's say it was half wrong, and only
3 million.
> Let's even say it was half of that, 1.5 million. Is that okay?
More like half a million. Tragic? Yes! The SS also went around shooting
partisans and other assorted commies on the Eastern front. Some were
doubtless innocent, but if you read anything about partisan warfare you
would agree with the German policy against partisans, I think.
> Do you consider the testimony of *every* single concentration camp
survivor
> "questionable"? Not to mention the testimony of almost *every* single
allied
> soldier who saw it first hand, and the testimony of *many* of the Nazi
> soldiers who were involved, as well? Isn't that called selective hearing?
The testimonys of both sides cancel each other out. Now it comes down to
plain ole' hard evidence. Incidentally, there's not one photo that can't be
explained with reason, logic, and common sense.
> There are matters of degrees. The allied troops committed atrocities, I'm
> sure. It was the German's, Italians, and Japanese, however, who started
the
> war by invading other countries, but the much more despicable part was
how
> they, (especially the Nazi's), treated the citizens of those countries,
even
> citizens of their own country, if they were Jews, or the handicapped.
Germany missed out on a great opportunity to gain some allies had they
treated folks better than they did. However, much amiss as they were, a
favorite tactic of Stalin was to dress partisans up as Nazis and have them
burn a village and kill all the inhabitants... stuff like that, to keep
public sentiment away from the Germans. Pretty devious but not a bad plan
for an evil guy. Even so, most Ukrainians supported the Germans to the end.
Plenty of German soldiers were hanged for stuff like rape, pillage, etc.
however. Soldiers were also hanged for needlessly shooting camp prisoners.
The SS records speak to this.
More later I'm sure,
Best,
Stryker
Omri Schwarz
>
> No, they can't, but I still implore you to read the other side. If you can
> talk to them then by all means do so! Talk to Zundel, to Ingrid Rimland
> (whose family hails from Eastern Europe), to David Irving (who has probably
> seen more Nazi source records than any other historian) and others. There
> are as many eyewitnesses against the traditional view than for it. They are
> just suppressed.
You name 3 folks and say there are "as many", when none of
the three you mention were there.
Nice going, Stryker...
> At any rate, if you saw a 'gas chamber' then you would be dead anyway...
Not if you were in the rampa group.
> had they existed. It was simply a camp rumor. Crematoria? Yup! They
> cremated the dead both inside and outside the camps. How many crematoria
> did the Germans have in the camps? What was their capacity? Certainly not
> the couple thousand a day that Holocausters have to say to keep their story
> straight, that's for sure.
Certainly so. Emaciated bodies are easy to cremate when no coffins
are involved.
> There's stuff, scientific stuff, that you've just got to READ, Alan. Either
> it was possible or it wasn't. Pure and simple. Go to my site and read the
> material. Access the link especially to the Zundelsite. There's more source
> material, and plenty of eyewitness stuff, than you will ever need.
The Zundelsite has the Leuchter report as its
strongest piece of evidence.
Leuchter has more holes than Swiss cheese,
since old Leuchter never took much biochemistry and
doesn't understand how cyanide works.
> > Let's suppose the count was wrong. Let's say it was half wrong, and only
> 3 million.
> > Let's even say it was half of that, 1.5 million. Is that okay?
>
> More like half a million. Tragic? Yes! The SS also went around shooting
> partisans and other assorted commies on the Eastern front. Some were
> doubtless innocent, but if you read anything about partisan warfare you
> would agree with the German policy against partisans, I think.
A lot of very young "partisans" were shot by the Eisatzcommandos.
--
Omri Schwarz ---
Timeless wisdom of biomedical engineering:
"Noise is principally due to the presence of the
patient." -- R.F. Farr
Reuven Singer
law of G-d in the Torah, it is invalid.
Martin Smith <RUST...@prodigy.net> wrote in article
<7fb504$2oau$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>...
Stryker
other
> side".
Have you ever spoken with 'the other side'?
> There will always be those who make excuses and try to rationalize, but
> I'm old enough to remember what actually happened. You're reading
revisionist
> history, written by Nazi sympathizers. Hardly an even comparison.
Not all Revisionists are Nazi sympathizers. They are called this by the
media to take away credibility.
> And all the empty canisters of lethal gas that were found, and
photographed,
> were there to kill insects? Come on Stryker, how can you believe this? Do
you
> think every single concentration camp survivor lied? Do you believe the
allied
> soldiers who saw the aftermath all lied as well?
You've got to take each story in detail. We're broadly generalizing here.
Why don't we start over with ONE testimony, one claim of the holocausters.
I'll let you start. The gas was indeed a delousing agent. It saved many
lives from typhus and other diseases caused by unsanitary conditions.
> > There's stuff, scientific stuff, that you've just got to READ, Alan.
Either
> > it was possible or it wasn't. Pure and simple. Go to my site and read
the
> > material. Access the link especially to the Zundelsite. There's more
source
> > material, and plenty of eyewitness stuff, than you will ever need.
>
> I will read the material, and give you my honest opinion when I've done
so.
Thank you! You are welcome to give me a critical analysis of any article on
my site as well as the Zundelsite which has far more exhaustive Revisionist
material. I would also ask you to visit David Irving's site and read his
source material.
> old to speak out any more. It's all been said, filmed, documented and
> recorded.
I would like to see film of ONE proven gas chamber. Just one. Air photos or
anything else.
> You missed the point I was making. Not only the camp survivors, and the
allied
> soldiers, but *also* the testimony of many of the Nazi soldiers
cooberated the
> stories being told. Even *if* the Germans soldiers denied it, it would
hardly
> cancel out the testimony of thousands of eyewitnesses. My point, however,
is
> that the *same* testimony was given by some ex-Nazi's themselves.
You ought to read some source material as to how these Nazis were treated
before their 'testimony'. For example, Hoess's autob was written while
imprisoned by Polish communists, who had much to gain by making the 'enemy'
appear far worse than they. Hoess was clearly tortured, severely.
> You're so young comparatively, I can understand how years after the
events,
> one could be misled into believing revisionist history. You'll hardly
find
> anyone that was an adult at the time buying into it, however.
There are plenty, you just don't hear of them. Again, the Media is by and
large controlled by Jewish interests. I know it sounds paranoid and all
that, but this cannot be denied.
> And there's actual film footage of SS soldiers shooting woman and
children in
> the back. If you've never seen it, you should take a look for yourself.
Maybe
> the camera can lie today, but the very own camera's of the Germans
couldn't
> back then.
I'm sure things like this happened, but it was the exception and not the
rule. Atrocities cannot be excused, this is true. I will still maintain,
however, that our 'allies' the Russians made Hitler and the SS look like
choirboys. We sure don't have a 'memorial' to the victims of Gulag on every
street corner now do we? Wonder why?
I'll be away for about 3 days starting tonight or tomorrow morning... just
thought I'd let you know for when you reply.
Best,
Stryker
Stryker
public on their side. I couldn't find it before but I finally did. Who
knows how many atrocities blamed on the Germans were actually examples of
this!
Stryker
From the book entitled, "The New KGB" by R. Corson and Robert I.
Crowley, page 202: "In other areas judged to be vulnerable to German
occupation, NKVD forces, frequently in the uniform of German SS units,
entered the towns and villages and, in shocking display of barbarity,
murdered, raped, burned, and pillaged the community, always mindful of
the need to leave survivors who would endure as eyewitnesses to the fact
that the Germans could not be seen as saviors. The same techniques were
used in areas in which the Soviets were attempting to reestablish
control. An NKVD-operated mock-German unit would wantonly destroy
communities immediately prior to the arrival of the heroic Soviet
partisan recruiters. Having just witnessed 'German' atrocities in their
midst, the locals tended to be responsive to the Soviets who were
attempting to organize anti-German resistance." This was the so-called
"Torch-Men Order" No 0428, issued personally by Stalin on November
17,1941.
Omri Schwarz
>
> You've got to take each story in detail. We're broadly generalizing here.
> Why don't we start over with ONE testimony, one claim of the holocausters.
> I'll let you start. The gas was indeed a delousing agent. It saved many
> lives from typhus and other diseases caused by unsanitary conditions.
Hydrogen cyanide is marginally usefull for
infumigating buildings. It is far more usefull for killing mammals
(hence the gas chamber at San Quentin). This is because HCN's
toxicity comes from its effect on the protein cytochrome C.
This protein is involved in oxidative phosphrylation,
the final step in production of ATP in mitochondria.
Interrupting OP is far harsher on mammals than on arthropods,
(consult any comparative physiology textbook).
So, come back when you know what the following words mean:
cytochrome C,
oxidative phosphorylation, (OP)
adenosine triphosphate, (ATP)
arthropod,
mammal,
mitochondria,
physiology,
comparative physiology.
> > old to speak out any more. It's all been said, filmed, documented and
> > recorded.
>
> I would like to see film of ONE proven gas chamber. Just one. Air photos or
> anything else.
Go to http://www.nizkor.org.
And visit San Quentin, while you're at it.
> You ought to read some source material as to how these Nazis were treated
> before their 'testimony'. For example, Hoess's autob was written while
> imprisoned by Polish communists, who had much to gain by making the 'enemy'
> appear far worse than they. Hoess was clearly tortured, severely.
Speculation.
> There are plenty, you just don't hear of them. Again, the Media is by and
> large controlled by Jewish interests. I know it sounds paranoid and all
> that, but this cannot be denied.
It is paranoid, not to mention stupid.
Alan Sindler
I'm replying to you publicly and privately, because you said you were going
out of town, and I know there will be tons of posts to wade thru to find this.
Feel free to respond publicly to this if you like.
Stryker wrote:
>
> > I've talked to the people involved, yet you're imploring me to read "the
> other
> > side".
>
> Have you ever spoken with 'the other side'?
>
> > There will always be those who make excuses and try to rationalize, but
> > I'm old enough to remember what actually happened. You're reading
> revisionist
> > history, written by Nazi sympathizers. Hardly an even comparison.
>
> Not all Revisionists are Nazi sympathizers. They are called this by the
> media to take away credibility.
Again, you're asking me to weigh the "testimony" of a handful of Nazi
apologists, with that of thousands of concentration camp survivors. A few
survivors might lie, or forget details, but they *all* tell the same story.
It's been cooberated by allied soldiers who liberated them, and German
soldiers as well. You're trying to say: "On this hand we have the camp
survivors, allied soldiers, *and* some German soldiers who tell one story, on
the other hand, we have a few people telling another story, so how can we say
which is correct?" It's not that I take one survivor's story over another
person's, but we're talking tens of thousands versus a *handful* who try to
deny it.
> > And all the empty canisters of lethal gas that were found, and
> photographed,
> > were there to kill insects? Come on Stryker, how can you believe this? Do
> you
> > think every single concentration camp survivor lied? Do you believe the
> allied
> > soldiers who saw the aftermath all lied as well?
>
> You've got to take each story in detail. We're broadly generalizing here.
> Why don't we start over with ONE testimony, one claim of the holocausters.
> I'll let you start. The gas was indeed a delousing agent. It saved many
> lives from typhus and other diseases caused by unsanitary conditions.
The manufacturers of the gas even admitted they knew it was being used to kill
the camp inhabitants. You're believing revisionism again, instead of fact.
<snip>
> > old to speak out any more. It's all been said, filmed, documented and
> > recorded.
>
> I would like to see film of ONE proven gas chamber. Just one. Air photos or
> anything else.
You couldn't see an air photo of an indoor facility, could you? As far as a
film of it, how? You only need a room, with gas inside, to make a gas chamber.
It's not like what we use for executions today, it's merely a room, (without a
view).
> > You missed the point I was making. Not only the camp survivors, and the
> allied
> > soldiers, but *also* the testimony of many of the Nazi soldiers
> cooberated the
> > stories being told. Even *if* the Germans soldiers denied it, it would
> hardly
> > cancel out the testimony of thousands of eyewitnesses. My point, however,
> is
> > that the *same* testimony was given by some ex-Nazi's themselves.
>
> You ought to read some source material as to how these Nazis were treated
> before their 'testimony'. For example, Hoess's autob was written while
> imprisoned by Polish communists, who had much to gain by making the 'enemy'
> appear far worse than they. Hoess was clearly tortured, severely.
It's the testimony of those who actually witnessed the killings...and these
are modern day Germans, not people being tortured by allied troops to lie.
These aren't isolated testimonies, these occurred and have been recorded for
history. I'll repeat what I said before, I thank goodness they've been
recorded for history, because we can see that even with all the evidence,
there will always be those who try to disclaim it. The evidence is compelling,
more than compelling, it's irrefutable. Ask yourself how and why hundreds of
thousands of people would lie, could lie, and yet tell the same story?
<snip>
> I'll be away for about 3 days starting tonight or tomorrow morning... just
> thought I'd let you know for when you reply.
>
Alan Sindler
>
> Alan, here's my source for the Soviets dressing up as Germans to keep the
> public on their side. I couldn't find it before but I finally did. Who
> knows how many atrocities blamed on the Germans were actually examples of
> this!
I'll check it out, but first I'll answer the question you just posed: The
folks who survived the concentration camps know!
Alan S.
--
-Any point of view is too small for the whole truth.
Alan Sindler
malnutrition, because the allied bombing campaign intentionally destroyed
their food supplies.
And slavery never took place in America. The blacks came here voluntarily, and
couldn't find any other work than on a plantation, because they were
uneducated. We actually did them a favor by taking them in.
And we didn't destroy the Native American culture by slaughtering the Indians,
they all died from nasty colds, and the rest were drunks anyway.
More bullshit to follow.....
Alan S.
Stryker wrote:
>
> Auschwitz: Myths and Facts
>
> (Mark Weber)
>
> Nearly everyone has heard of Auschwitz, the German wartime concentration
> camp where many
> prisoners -- most of them Jewish -- were reportedly exterminated,
> especially in gas chambers.
> Auschwitz is widely regarded as the most terrible Nazi extermination
> center. The camp's horrific
> reputation cannot, however, be reconciled with the facts.
>
> Scholars Challenge Holocaust Story
>
> Astonishing as it may seem, more and more historians and engineers have
> been challenging the
> widely accepted Auschwitz story. These "revisionist" scholars do not
> dispute the fact that large
> numbers of Jews were deported to the camp, or that many died there,
> particularly of typhus and
> other diseases. But the compelling evidence they present shows that
> Auschwitz was not an
> extermination center and that the story of mass killings in "gas chambers"
> is a myth.
>
> The Auschwitz Camps
>
> The Auschwitz camp complex was set up in 1940 in what is now south-central
> Poland. Large
> numbers of Jews were deported there between 1942 and mid-1944.
>
> The main camp was known as Auschwitz I. Birkenau, or Auschwitz II, was
> supposedly the main
> extermination center, and Monowitz, or Auschwitz III, was a large
> industrial center where gasoline
> was produced from coal. In addition there were dozens of smaller satellite
> camps devoted to the
> war economy.
>
> Four Million Victims?
>
> At the postwar Nuremberg Tribunal, the Allies charged that the Germans
> exterminated four million
> people at Auschwitz. This figure, which was invented by the Soviets, was
> uncritically accepted for
> many years. It often appeared in major American newspapers and magazines,
> for example. (note 1)
>
> Today no reputable historian, not even those who generally accept the
> extermination story, believes
> this figure. Israeli Holocaust historian Yehuda Bauer said in 1989 that it
> is time to finally
> acknowledge the familiar four million figure is a deliberate myth. In July
> 1990 the Auschwitz State
> Museum in Poland, along with Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust Center, suddenly
> announced that
> altogether perhaps one million people (both Jews and non-Jews) died there.
> Neither institution
> would say how many of these people were killed, nor were any estimates
> given of the numbers of
> those supposedly gassed. (note 2) One prominent Holocaust historian, Gerald
> Reitlinger, has
> estimated that perhaps 700,000 or so Jews perished at Auschwitz. More
> recently, Holocaust
> historian Jean-Claude Pressac has estimated that about 800,000 persons --
> of whom 630,000 were
> Jewish -- perished at Auschwitz. While even such lower figures are
> incorrect, they show how the
> Auschwitz story has changed drastically over the years. (note 3)
>
> Bizarre Tales
>
> At one time it was seriously claimed that Jews were systematically
> electrocuted at Auschwitz.
> American newspapers, citing a Soviet eyewitness report from liberated
> Auschwitz, told readers in
> February 1945 that the methodical Germans had killed Jews there using an
> "electric conveyor belt
> on which hundreds of persons could be electrocuted simultaneously [and]
> then moved on into
> furnaces. They were burned almost instantly, producing fertilizer for
> nearby cabbage fields." (note 4)
>
> And at the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged
> that the Germans
> used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews
> near Auschwitz "in such a
> way that there was no trace left of them." (note 5) No reputable historian
> now accepts either of
> these fanciful tales.
>
> The Höss 'Confession'
>
> A key Holocaust document is the "confession" of former Auschwitz commandant
> Rudolf Höss of
> April 5, 1946, which was submitted by the U.S. prosecution at the main
> Nuremberg trial. (note 6)
>
> Although it is still widely cited as solid proof for the Auschwitz
> extermination story, it is actually a
> false statement that was obtained by torture.
>
> Many years after the war, British military intelligence sergeant Bernard
> Clarke described how he
> and five other British soldiers tortured the former commandant to obtain
> his "confession." Höss
> himself privately explained his ordeal in these words: "Certainly, I signed
> a statement that I killed
> two and half million Jews. I could just as well have said that it was five
> million Jews. There are
> certain methods by which any confession can be obtained, whether it is true
> or not." (note 7)
>
> Even historians who generally accept the Holocaust extermination story now
> acknowledge that
> many of the specific statements made in the Höss "affidavit" are simply not
> true. For one thing, no
> serious scholar now claims that anything like two and a half or three
> million people perished in
> Auschwitz.
>
> The Höss "affidavit" further alleges that Jews were already being
> exterminated by gas in the summer
> of 1941 at three other camps: Belzec, Treblinka and Wolzek. The "Wolzek"
> camp mentioned by
> Höss is a total invention. No such camp existed, and the name is no longer
> mentioned in Holocaust
> literature. Moreover, the story these days by those who believe in the
> Holocaust legend is that
> gassings of Jews did not begin at Auschwitz, Treblinka, or Belzec until
> sometime in 1942.
>
> No Documentary Evidence
>
> Many thousands of secret German documents dealing with Auschwitz were
> confiscated after the
> war by the Allies. Not a single one refers to a policy or program of
> extermination. In fact, the
> extermination story cannot be reconciled with the documentary evidence.
>
> Many Jewish Inmates Unable to Work
>
> For example, it is often claimed that all Jews at Auschwitz who were unable
> to work were
> immediately killed. Jews who were too old, young, sick, or weak were
> supposedly gassed on
> arrival, and only those who could be worked to death were temporarily kept
> alive.
>
> But the evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage of the Jewish
> inmates were not able to
> work, and were nevertheless not killed. For example, an internal German
> telex message dated Sept.
> 4, 1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS
> Economic and Administrative
> Main Office (WVHA), reported that of 25,000 Jewish inmates in Auschwitz,
> only 3,581 were able
> to work, and that all of the remaining Jewish inmates -- some 21,500, or
> about 86 percent -- were
> unable to work. (note 8)
>
> This is also confirmed in a secret report dated April 5, 1944, on "security
> measures in Auschwitz"
> by Oswald Pohl, head of the SS concentration camp system, to SS chief
> Heinrich Himmler. Pohl
> reported that there was a total of 67,000 inmates in the entire Auschwitz
> camp complex, of whom
> 18,000 were hospitalized or disabled. In the Auschwitz II camp (Birkenau),
> supposedly the main
> extermination center, there were 36,000 inmates, mostly female, of whom
> "approximately 15,000
> are unable to work." (note 9)
>
> These two documents simply cannot be reconciled with the Auschwitz
> extermination story.
>
> The evidence shows that Auschwitz-Birkenau was established primarily as a
> camp for Jews who
> were not able to work, including the sick and elderly, as well as for those
> who were temporarily
> awaiting assignment to other camps. That's the considered view of Dr.
> Arthur Butz of Northwestern
> University, who also says that this was the reason for the unusually high
> death rate there. (note 10)
>
> Princeton University history professor Arno Mayer, who is Jewish,
> acknowledges in a recent book
> about the "final solution" that more Jews perished at Auschwitz as a result
> of typhus and other
> "natural" causes than were executed. (note 11)
>
> Anne Frank
>
> Perhaps the best known Auschwitz inmate was Anne Frank, who is known around
> the world for
> her famous diary. But few people know that thousands of Jews, including
> Anne and her father, Otto
> Frank, "survived" Auschwitz.
>
> The 15-year-old girl and her father were deported from the Netherlands to
> Auschwitz in September
> 1944. Several weeks later, in the face of the advancing Soviet army, Anne
> was evacuated along
> with many other Jews to the Bergen-Belsen camp, where she died of typhus in
> March 1945.
>
> Her father came down with typhus in Auschwitz and was sent to the camp
> hospital to recover. He
> was one of thousands of sick and feeble Jews who were left behind when the
> Germans abandoned
> the camp in January 1945, shortly before it was overrun by the Soviets. He
> died in Switzerland in
> 1980.
>
> If the German policy had been to kill Anne Frank and her father, they would
> not have survived
> Auschwitz. Their fate, tragic though it was, cannot be reconciled with the
> extermination story.
>
> Allied Propaganda
>
> The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay
> statements of former Jewish
> inmates who did not personally see any evidence of extermination. Their
> beliefs are understandable,
> because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread.
>
> Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and
> German, on Auschwitz and the
> surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp.
> The Auschwitz gassing
> story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort,
> was also broadcast to
> Europe by Allied radio stations. (note 12)
>
> Survivor Testimony
>
> Former inmates have confirmed that they saw no evidence of extermination at
> Auschwitz.
>
> An Austrian woman, Maria Vanherwaarden, testified about her camp
> experiences in a Toronto
> District Court in March 1988. She was interned in Auschwitz-Birkenau in
> 1942 for having sexual
> relations with a Polish forced laborer. On the train trip to the camp, a
> Gypsy woman told her and
> the others that they would all be gassed at Auschwitz.
>
> Upon arrival, Maria and the other women were ordered to undress and go into
> a large concrete
> room without windows to take a shower. The terrified women were sure that
> they were about to
> die. But then, instead of gas, water came out of the shower heads.
>
> Auschwitz was no vacation center, Maria confirmed. She witnessed the death
> of many fellow
> inmates by disease, particularly typhus, and quite a few committed suicide.
> But she saw no evidence
> at all of mass killings, gassings, or of any extermination program. (note
> 13)
>
> A Jewish woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from
> Hungary in July 1944,
> when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and cremated daily. She likewise
> testified after the war
> that she heard and saw nothing of "gas chambers" during the time she was
> interned there. She heard
> the gassing stories only later. (note 14)
>
> Inmates Released
>
> Auschwitz internees who had served their sentences were released and
> returned to their home
> countries. If Auschwitz had actually been a top secret extermination
> center, the Germans would
> certainly not have released inmates who "knew" what was happening in the
> camp. (note 15)
>
> Himmler Orders Death Rate Reduced
>
> In response to the deaths of many inmates due to disease, especially
> typhus, the German authorities
> responsible for the camps ordered firm counter-measures.
>
> The head of the SS camp administration office sent a directive dated Dec.
> 28, 1942, to Auschwitz
> and the other concentration camps. It sharply criticized the high death
> rate of inmates due to
> disease, and ordered that "camp physicians must use all means at their
> disposal to significantly
> reduce the death rate in the various camps." Furthermore, it ordered:
>
> The camp doctors must supervise more often than in the past the
> nutrition of the
> prisoners and, in cooperation with the administration, submit
> improvement
> recommendations to the camp commandants ... The camp doctors are to
> see to it that
> the working conditions at the various labor places are improved as
> much as possible.
>
> Finally, the directive stressed that "the Reichsführer SS [Heinrich
> Himmler] has ordered that the
> death rate absolutely must be reduced." (note 16)
>
> German Camp Regulations
>
> Official German camp regulations make clear that Auschwitz was not an
> extermination center. They
> ordered: (note 17)
>
> New arrivals in the camp are to be given a thorough medical
> examination, and if there
> is any doubt [about their health], they must be sent to quarantine for
> observation.
>
> Prisoners who report sick must be examined that same day by the camp
> physician. If
> necessary, the physician must transfer the prisoners to a hospital for
> professional
> treatment.
>
> The camp physician must regularly inspect the kitchen regarding the
> preparation of the
> food and the quality of the food supply. Any deficiencies that may
> arise must be
> reported to the camp commandant.
>
> Special care should be given in the treatment of accidents, in order
> not to impair the
> full productivity of the prisoners.
>
> Prisoners who are to be released or transfered must first be brought
> before the camp
> physician for medical examination.
>
> Telltale Aerial Photos
>
> Detailed aerial reconnaissance photographs taken of Auschwitz-Birkenau on
> several random days in
> 1944 (during the height of the alleged extermination period there) were
> made public by the CIA in
> 1979. These photos show no trace of piles of corpses, smoking crematory
> chimneys or masses of
> Jews awaiting death, things that have been repeatedly alleged, and all of
> which would have been
> clearly visible if Auschwitz had been the extermination center it is said
> to have been. (note 18)
>
> Absurd Cremation Claims
>
> Cremation specialists have confirmed that thousands of corpses could not
> possibly have been
> cremated every day throughout the spring and summer of 1944 at Auschwitz,
> as commonly alleged.
>
> For example, Mr. Ivan Lagace, manager of a large crematory in Calgary,
> Canada, testified in court
> in April 1988 that the Auschwitz cremation story is technically impossible.
> The allegation that
> 10,000 or even 20,000 corpses were burned every day at Auschwitz in the
> summer of 1944 in
> crematories and open pits is simply "preposterous" and "beyond the realm of
> reality," he declared
> under oath. (note 19)
>
> Gassing Expert Refutes Extermination Story
>
> America's leading gas chamber expert, Boston engineer Fred A. Leuchter,
> carefully examined the
> supposed "gas chambers" in Poland and concluded that the Auschwitz gassing
> story is absurd and
> technically impossible.
>
> Leuchter is the foremost specialist on the design and installation of gas
> chambers used in the United
> States to execute convicted criminals. For example, he designed a gas
> chamber facility for the
> Missouri state penitentiary.
>
> In February 1988 he carried out a detailed onsite examination of the "gas
> chambers" at Auschwitz,
> Birkenau and Majdanek in Poland, which are either still standing or only
> partially in ruins. In sworn
> testimony to a Toronto court and in a technical report, Leuchter described
> every aspect of his
> investigation.
>
> He concluded by emphatically declaring that the alleged gassing facilities
> could not possibly have
> been used to kill people. Among other things, he pointed out that the
> so-called "gas chambers" were
> not properly sealed or vented to kill human beings without also killing
> German camp personnel.
> (note 20)
>
> Dr. William B. Lindsey, a research chemist employed for 33 years by the
> Dupont Corporation,
> likewise testified in a 1985 court case that the Auschwitz gassing story is
> technically impossible.
> Based on a careful on-site examination of the "gas chambers" at Auschwitz,
> Birkenau and
> Majdanek, and on his years of experience, he declared: "I have come to the
> conclusion that no one
> was willfully or purposefully killed with Zyklon B [hydrocyanic acid gas]
> in this manner. I consider it
> absolutely impossible." (note 21)
>
> Notes
>
> 1.Nuremberg document 008-USSR. IMT blue series, Vol. 39, pp. 241, 261.;
> NC & A red
> series, vol. 1, p. 35.; C.L. Sulzberger, "Oswiecim Killings Placed at
> 4,000,000," New York
> Times, May 8, 1945, and, New York Times, Jan. 31, 1986, p. A4.
> 2.Y. Bauer, "Fighting the Distortions," Jerusalem Post (Israel), Sept.
> 22, 1989; "Auschwitz
> Deaths Reduced to a Million," Daily Telegraph (London), July 17, 1990;
> "Poland Reduces
> Auschwitz Death Toll Estimate to 1 Million," The Washington Times,
> July 17, 1990.
> 3.G. Reitlinger, The Final Solution (1971); J.-C. Pressac, Le
> Crématoires d'Auschwitz: La
> Machinerie du meurtre de mass (Paris: CNRS, 1993). On Pressac's
> estimates, see:
> L'Express (France), Sept. 30, 1993, p. 33.
> 4.Washington (DC) Daily News, Feb. 2, 1945, pp. 2, 35. (United Press
> dispatch from
> Moscow).
> 5.IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946).
> 6.Nuremberg document 3868-PS (USA-819). IMT blue series, Vol. 33, pp.
> 275-279.
> 7.Rupert Butler, Legions of Death (England: 1983), pp. 235; R.
> Faurisson, The Journal of
> Historical Review, Winter 1986-87, pp. 389-403.
> 8.Archives of the Jewish Historical Institute of Warsaw, German document
> No. 128, in: H.
> Eschwege, ed., Kennzeichen J (East Berlin: 1966), p. 264.
> 9.Nuremberg document NO-021. NMT green series, Vol. 5. pp. 384-385.
> 10.Arthur Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century (Costa Mesa, Calif.),
> p. 124.
> 11.Arno Mayer, Why Did the Heavens Not Darken?: The 'Final Solution' in
> History
> (Pantheon, 1989), p. 365.
> 12.Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT green series, Vol. 8, p. 606.
> 13.Testimony in Toronto District Court, March 28, 1988. Toronto Star,
> March 29, 1988, p.
> A2.
> 14.Sylvia Rothchild, ed., Voices from the Holocaust (New York: 1981), pp.
> 188-191.
> 15.Walter Laqueur, The Terrible Secret (Boston: 1981), p. 169.
> 16.Nuremberg document PS-2171, Annex 2. NC & A red series, Vol. 4, pp.
> 833-834.
> 17."Rules and Regulations for the Concentration Camps." Anthology,
> Inhuman Medicine, Vol.
> 1, Part 1 (Warsaw: International Auschwitz Committee, 1970), pp.
> 149-151.; S. Paskuly,
> ed., Death Dealer: the Memoirs of the SS Kommandant at Auschwitz
> (Buffalo: 1992),
> pp. 216-217.
> 18.Dino A. Brugioni and Robert C. Poirier, The Holocaust Revisited
> (Washington, DC:
> Central Intelligence Agency, 1979).
> 19.Canadian Jewish News (Toronto), April 14, 1988, p. 6.
> 20.The Leuchter Report: An Engineering Report on the Alleged Execution
> Gas Chambers
> at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek (Toronto: 1988). Available for
> $17.00, postpaid,
> from the IHR.
> 21.The Globe and Mail (Toronto), Feb. 12, 1985, p. M3
>
> The Auschwitz extermination story originated as wartime propaganda. Now,
> more than 40 years
> after the end of the Second World War, it is time to take another, more
> objective look at this highly
> polemicized chapter of history. The Auschwitz legend is the core of the
> Holocaust story. If hundreds
> of thousands of Jews were not systematically killed there, as alleged, one
> of the great myths of our
> time collapses.
>
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> genuine reconciliation and
> lasting peace. Revisionism promotes historical awareness and international
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> Hydrogen cyanide is marginally usefull for
> infumigating buildings.
More than marginal, it is ideal. The following is from the Leuchter report.
Instead of character assasination which I'm sure you will do, please
analyse the info. scientifically.
SE OF HCN AND ZYKLON B AS A FUMIGANT
Hydrogen cyanide gas (HCN or hydrocyanic acid) has been utilized as a
fumigant since
before WWI. It has been used side by side with steam and hot air and during
WWII with
D.D.T. by the United States and its Allies.
HCN is generally manufactured by a chemical reaction of sodium cyanide with
dilute
sulfuric acid. The chemical reaction results in HCN being given off into
the air with a
remainder of prussic acid (hydrocyanic acid). This reaction is normally
contained in a
ceramic crock pot.
This procedure has been utilized for pest and vermin control on ships, in
buildings and in
specially designed chambers and structures. Special design and handling
considerations
must be followed to ensure the safety of the users (technicians). Hydrogen
cyanide is one
of the most powerful and dangerous of all fumigation chemicals. Buildings
especially
constructed or modified for this purpose were used by all militaries and
health
organizations throughout the world. HCN has been used everywhere for
disease control;
specifically for plague and typhus i.e. rat, flea and lice control.
Special chambers were used since WWI in Europe and the United States. Some
of these
chambers were used by the German Army in Europe before and during WWII and
much
earlier by the United States Immigration Service at Ellis Island, New York
Harbor. Many
of these fumigation chambers were made for DEGESCH, a German firm located
in
Frankfurt am Main, Germany. During the war, DEGESCH supervised the
distribution of
Zyklon B. DEGESCH presently manufactures HCN.
Zyklon B was a special commercial preparation containing hydrocyanic acid.
The name
"Zyklon B" was itself a trade name. HCN was prepared at the factory and
delivered in a
form where the HCN was absorbed in a porous carrier, either wood pulp or
diatomaceous
earth (chalk). It was supplied either in discoids or snippets or pellets.
This preparation was
sealed in an airtight can which required a special can opener. In this form
the HCN -
Zyklon B was much safer and easier to handle. The resultant Zyklon B gas
was HCN.
The discoids, snippets or pellets had to be spread on the floor of the area
to be fumigated
or utilized in a chamber which circulated and heated the air within the
chamber in excess of
78.3 degrees Fahrenheit (25.7 degrees Centigrade). If used in buildings,
ships, or tents to
fumigate trees and produce, the area must be heated to an excess of 78.3
degrees
Fahrenheit temperature, the boiling point of HCN. Failure to do this will
result in a much
longer time to complete the fumigation. Fumigation takes a minimum of 24 to
48 hours.
After the fumigation, the ventilation of the
area must take
a minimum of ten hours, depending on the
location (and
volume), and longer if the building has no
windows or
exhaust fans. The fumigated area must then be
chemically tested for the presence of gas before
entering.
Gas masks are sometimes used, but are not safe
and
should not be used for more than ten (10)
minutes. A
complete chemical suit must be worn to prevent
skin
poisoning. The warmer the temperature and the
drier the
location, the faster and safer the handling will
be.
The specifications for the gas are found in
Table 1.
>>>>It is far more usefull for killing mammals
Why Zyclon B?
29. Why did they use this instead of a gas
more suitable for mass extermination?
Ernst Zündel
replies to Q/A # 29:
Good question. Food for thought. Here we are offering a
very technical answer, of interest only to those with a solid
scientific background. We include this elaborate response
to round out the picture of the absurdity of the Zyklon-B
claim, with the understanding that the lay person might not have the
background to judge the text
below.
This answer comes from Germar Rudolf, a German scientist born after the
war, now
forced into political exile because he claimed that science does not lie.
Rudolf is as
fine a scientist as Europe can produce. Here is what Rudolf had to say:
The SS in Auschwitz did not use ANY gas for mass extermination. The
question: ". .
.. which gas would have been more suitable for mass executions, other than
Zyklon-B, is not one to
be answered scientifically since there are no experiences with mass
executions by poison gas.
Theoretically the Germans could have chosen between N2, CO2, CO, COCl2
(phosgene), Cl2,
HCN, Tabun, Sarin, Diesel engine exhausts, gasoline engine exhausts,
producer gas, coke gas,
process gas and others.
As an intellectual exercise, let's look at some of these:
1. N2, Nitrogen
Nitrogen kills painlessly by asphyxiation (apart from the possibly
psychologically painful effects of
panic), for which it is necessary to replace at least 75% of the air in the
hypothetical execution
chamber, so that the required amount of gas per execution would be
enormous. N2 is available in
pressure bottles. For bottled gases it is relatively cheap, but in
comparison with, for example,
exhaust gases or producer gas, it is extremely expensive. Nobody would have
used it, therefore, for
mass executions.
An exception to this might have been if an air liquefaction plant had been
nearby as a potential mass
killing site, since 78% of the air is N2 and the latter is automatically
separated from oxygen by the
liquefaction process. This was, in fact, the case near the alleged mass
killing site of the concentration
camp of Auschwitz, where the I.G.-Farbenindustrie AG built such a plant to
gain basic chemicals
for their coal processing plants.
Theoretically, the SS would have had the opportunity of killing Jews by
N2-suffocation simply by
installing a N2-pipe from the I.G.-Farbenindustrie AG plant to the next
camp, which was situated in
Monowitz. This was not done, however. According to exterminationist theory,
they foolishly chose
a more clumsy and slow method. Does that make any sense?
2. CO2, Carbondioxid
Carbondioxid works like N2 by suffocation, but the physiological effect of
high CO2-contents in air
on the mucous membranes is very painful. CO2 would have been suitable only
if delivered in a
pressure bottled form like N2.
Similar to N2, huge amounts of CO2 would have been necessary to replace at
least 20% of the air
to get some lethal effects. Hence this gas would not have been chosen by
the SS for mass
executions.
3. CO, Carbonmonoxid
CO blocks the iron atom in haemoglobin so that the latter can no longer
carry oxygen to the body
cells. Pure CO is available in pressure bottles, but it is extremely
expensive. It is certainly lethal in
concentrations above 0,1 vol.-%, so that only a small amount of CO suffices
to kill people.
Because there are other, extremely cheap, methods to gain CO in high
concentrations, nobody
would have used CO out of pressure bottles for mass executions. Allegations
that CO out of
pressure bottles was used for mass executions in Majdanek must therefore be
dismissed as
nonsensical.
The allegedly original bottle presented today to visitors is, in fact, a
CO2 bottle, as the engraving at
the bottle shows. It is a simple fraud perpetrated by the directors of the
museum. (With credits to
Carlos Mattagno of Italy to whom I owe thanks for this item.)
CO is easy to vent, since it does not adhere to surfaces and is not
delivered on carriers like HCN.
4. COCl2, phosgene
Phosgene was a poison gas used by both sides in the First World War. It is
available in pressure
bottles, is extremely difficult to handle and is very poisonous and
expensive. The SS guards would
have been in great danger of life, had they tried to apply it. Therefore,
nobody would have chosen
to attempt mass murder with this gas.
5. Cl2, Chlorine
Chlorine is an irritant rather than a poison. In big concentrations it
destroys the lungs and, therefore,
can lead to suffocation. For this reason, it is not suitable for mass
murder.
6. HCN, hydrogen cyanide
Hydrogen cyanide cuts off the oxygen supply of the body cells by blocking
an oxygen transport
enzyme in the cell membranes. HCN is available as a fluid adsorbed on
different types of carriers so
that it evaporates from the carrier in between some minutes up to a few
hours, depending on the
temperature and the convection of the surrounding air.
In the 30ies and 40ies it was produced in huge amounts and delivered
throughout Europe and was
therefore relatively cheap. (In the 40ies it consisted only partly of
diatomaceous earth; the rest was
mainly gypsum), HCN is certainly lethal to humans in concentrations above
0,03 vol.-%, so that
only a small amount of HCN is enough to kill people.
For the SS Guards or for the Sonderkommandos allegedly working in the gas
chambers, danger
would have arisen by the remaining HCN in the air after the execution,
depending on the capacity of
the ventilation facility and time period between the end of the execution
and when the crews entered
the gas chamber. This is largely due to the long time the HCN needs to
completely evaporate from
the carrier and because HCN strongly adheres to all surfaces, especially to
wet ones.
Only gas masks with special filters and especially designed protective
clothing would have protected
against these gas remainders.
7. Tabun, Sarin
These poison gases were invented by German chemists between WWI and WWII.
They work
extremely fast by blocking the synapsis of nerves. Even today there doesn't
exist any effective
protective measure against these gases, which are lethal in concentrations
of 0,001 vol.-% or less.
Because every SS man, who would have tried to commit mass murder with this
gas, would have
been immediately killed as well, and probably the whole camp along with
him, nobody would have
dared to make even an attempt.
8. Diesel engine exhausts
Diesel engine exhausts are a very poor source of CO. Only with extensive
technical knowledge and
some engineering equipment would it have been possible to commit mass
murder with this extremely
slowly working weapon: the SS men would have had to wait at least two hours
for the last victim to
die.
Since the SS was well aware of the fact that much better, faster-working
sources of CO were easily
available, eyewitness accounts of Diesel engine exhausts for mass killings
in the concentration camps
of Treblinka, Belsec or Sobibor are fraudulent. (Cp. F.P. Berg, in: Ernst
Gauss (ed.), op. cit.;
Germar Rudolf, "Zur Kritik an 'Wahrheit und Auschwitzlüge'" in: Vrij
Historisch Onderzoek (ed.),
"Kardinalfragen zur Zeitgeschichte", Vrij Historisch Onderzoek, Berchem
1996).
9. gasoline engine exhausts
Gasoline engines produce gases in their exhaust, which can easily reach up
to 7 vol.-% CO so that
they would have been suitable to commit mass murder. Nevertheless, only a
very small minority of
"witnesses" mentions the use of gasoline.
10. producer gas
Producer gas devices produce a gas mixture out of wood or coke, air and
water which has a CO
content of up to 35 vol.-%. These devices were installed in some hundred
thousand vehicles
throughout the German occupied Europe because of general lack of fuel due
to the petrol blockade
of the Allies.
As F.P Berg has shown (op. cit.), everybody in the German government was
well aware of these
extremely easy-to-handle, extraordinary cheap devices producing highly
lethal poison gas, especially
the transport experts, whose duty it was to replace all their Diesel and
gasoline fuel devices step by
step by producer gas devices. These are the very same persons allegedly in
charge of the
deportation and execution of the Jews. And these slide rule "murderers", it
is alleged, chose Diesel
engine exhausts for the mass murder of Jews, the least cost- and
time-efficient killing method
avaiable to them? Nonsense.
11. coke gas
By making coke out of coal, a gas evolves called coke gas. It consists
mainly out of CO (up to
30%), Hydrogen, CO2 and H2O. Until the 50ies and 60ies it was delivered to
the households for
cooking and heating purpose (German: Stadtgas). It was extremely cheap and
poisonous.
The KZ Majdanek for example, situated near the city of Lublin, was
connected to the Lublin coke
gas delivery system. Hence, the SS could have used this gas rather than
anything else, had they
wanted, or had they been ordered, to mass-murder Jews. But oddly, none of
the allegations of mass
executions by poison gas mentions this method. (Cp. Germar Rudolf and Ernst
Gauss, in: E. Gauss
(ed.), op. cit.)
12. process gas
Only a few kilometres from the concentration camp of Auschwitz, the German
I.G.-Farbenindustrie
AG had in the early 1940s built a coal gasification or liquefaction plant.
In this plant, coal was
modified by several chemical conversion steps into basic chemical compounds
out of which oil, fuels
and rubber could be produced. The first step of this process is the
formation of process gas, which
has a similar consistency as coke gas.
The I.G.-Farbenindustrie AG had in its direct neighbourhood a concentration
camp called
Monowitz which was attached to the Auschwitz concentration camp system,
covering some 30
camps in the region of Upper Silesia and south-west Poland. If the SS would
have searched for an
easy way to kill millions of Jews, the "extermination centre" surely would
have been built in or near
Monowitz, with a direct access pipe to the process gas of the I.G.
Farbenindustrie AG plant.
This was not done. Instead, the Germans foolishly chose Zyklon-B, the
expensive, more
difficult-to-handle killing method. Is that believable or likely?
After this review it should be clear that, had genocide been planned or
carried out by the Germans
as a matter of policy during WWII, CO would have been the gas of choice,
either out of producer
gas devices, coke gas or process gas productions, depending on which of the
sources was the most
easily available at the time and given the location because it was the
cheapest and least dangerous
for the alleged "gassers".
Naturally, CO would not have accelerated the execution process, since CO is
not as poisonous as
HCN. But regarding the fact that the alleged HCN gas chambers in Auschwitz
had no device to
accelerate the evaporation of the HCN from the carrier (e.g. by a hot air
ventilation system like in
the famous German "Kreislaufanlage"), an execution by pumping CO containing
producer gas into a
gas chamber would have killed the alleged victims surely equally as fast as
Zyklon B - but safer for
the handlers, less complicated and certainly cheaper. Surely, "the
bottleneck in the extermination
process" would have been the incineration of the bodies, not the gassing
itself. A thousand people
could have been killed in a matter of minutes, or an hour or two at the
most, counting the entire
operation from arrival at the camp to the final ventilation of the gas
chamber.
Yet to burn the bodies of those thousand people would have taken "quite a
long while." (quotations:
part of Nizkor's answer to this question). And as C. Mattogno and F. Deana
have shown, the
furnaces actually installed in Auschwitz were never able to maintain the
alleged amount of bodies
produced by the alleged mass killings (cp. E. Gauss (ed.), op. cit.) - so
here we have another proof
that genocidal stories in places such as Auschwitz are nothing more than
propaganda and fiction.
But even if it could be proven that genocidal maniacs plotted to kill the
Jews en masse, CO would
have been - for several sound reasons, six of which we list below - a FAR
BETTER choice than the
clumsy Zyklon-B:
A. CO in producer, coke or process gas was always less expensive than
Zyklon-B
B. There would have been no need to order, store or take care of the
expiration date, as is
the case for Zyklon B, because once the cheap devices were installed,
CO would have been
permanently and very inexpensively available.
C. The handling of the CO for the executioner would have been much
easier: Turning the
valve on and off would have been nearly everything he would have had
to worry about.
Zyklon B requires a remarkable amount of security measures for the
executioner: wearing gas
masks with special filters and other protective clothing like gloves,
aprons, suits etc., opening
the tin carefully with the appropriate tool, pouring the carrier
carefully into the openings,
disposing of the Zyklon B remainders safely, etc. etc.
D. A licence after special training was required and had to be granted
by the Germans for the
handling Zyklon-B, even during wartime. This licence could be obtained
only after special
expert courses.
E. In the case of CO, ventilation of the mass killing sites would have
been much easier
compared with HCN/Zyklon-B, since the CO supply could have been
stopped by turning a
valve and because CO doesn't adhere anywhere and is nearly insoluble
in water - contrary to
HCN.
F. In war-torn Germany, Zyklon B was rare and urgently needed for
fighting huge epidemics
like typhus among the civilian and military personnel. Any avoidable
waste for other purposes
would have been avoided - even and especially in Auschwitz! - where
typhus threatened not
only the lives of the internees but also those of the guards and of
all the many civilians who
entered the camp or lived and worked in the neighbourhood.
In plain English and once and for all: the typhus epidemics of the
Auschwitz camps endangered the
extremely important production of the war industries of Upper Silesia -
after the Ruhr area the
second most important industrial area of wartime Germany. Therefore, the
struggle against this
permanent threat of an epidemic was of the highest importance, and for this
reason, Zyklon-B was
desperately needed in bigger amounts than the producing companies (DEGESCH,
KORI) were
ever able to deliver. When the Allies bombed one of the Zyklon-B producing
factories, temporarily
slowing down the Zyklon-B deliveries, urgent requests were sent to the
concentration camp
administration in Berlin with the dire warning that lack of sufficient
Zyklon-B could CAUSE deaths
to inmates by epidemics caused by lice.
Yet for trying to save lives - their own, their comrades', and their
enemies -
the Allies hanged people at Nuremberg!
> (hence the gas chamber at San Quentin). This is because HCN's
> toxicity comes from its effect on the protein cytochrome C.
> This protein is involved in oxidative phosphrylation,
> the final step in production of ATP in mitochondria.
> Interrupting OP is far harsher on mammals than on arthropods,
> (consult any comparative physiology textbook).
The following is from the website at
http://www.webcom/ezundel/english/leuchter
The main point of this message is that, first of all, there are far better
gasses with which to kill if that's the aim. Secondly, the blue stains that
would have been left had Hydrogen cyanide been used are simply NOT THERE.
14.000 Chapter 5.
The delousing and disinfestation installations of BW 5a and
5b in KGL Birkenau. This chapter needs some
clarification.
1.Hydrogen Cyanide will always leave blue stains if it is effectively
used, unless
the walls are painted steel or of some other inert, non-porous
material and
washed down with ammonia or bleach after every usage. The execution
time
may be only five minutes but his is after the gas has sublimated,
which
requires heat, and the additional time of several hours for venting.
In the
United States it takes at least twenty minutes to ventilate a much
smaller
chamber (600 cf) and a much smaller dosage is used. The walls are then
washed. As usual, Mr. Pressac is in error. His description is both
impractical
and impossible.
2.It should be noted that Pressac claims that an alleged gassing
utilized 1% or
10,000 ppm of HCN in air. This being some forty times the lethal
dosage. In
U.S. gas chambers 0.320% or 3200 ppm of HCN in air is used as the
dosage.
This means that the Germans allegedly utilized some 3.125 times the
overkill
dosage used in the U.S. U.S. gas chambers contain all non-porous
surfaces
(painted steel) and must be washed with bleach after each execution.
The
normal exposure time is fifteen minutes to the HCN and all surfaces
must be
washed with bleach to prevent staining and corrosion. This is even
with a
preheated air intake to prevent condensation. It seems that the NAZIS
were
able to suspend the laws of nature to prevent staining.
3.A photo #6 (page 59) has an erroneous explanation. Pressac claims that
because of the short exposure time and low temperature the HCN would
only
have had time to leave traces on metal hardware and not the brick and
mortar. This is incorrect. We know from experience that brick and
mortar
will pick up cyanide quicker than metal. Mr. Pressac seems to have his
facts
backward, again. I would suggest that he study the American Execution
System to see what really occurs. The concept that delousing gassings
leave
blue stains and people gassings do not, is ludicrous.
Continue on to Part One - CH 6 or return to Leuchter Report Table of
Contents
Stryker
Kenneth McVay OBC
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Stryker <Stryke...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>This post is rather long. One can find most relevant source material at
>http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/
>
>> Hydrogen cyanide is marginally usefull for
>> infumigating buildings.
>
>More than marginal, it is ideal. The following is from the Leuchter report.
>Instead of character assasination which I'm sure you will do, please
>analyse the info. scientifically.
http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/leuchter/
Kenneth McVay OBC
Last-modified: 1998/12/16
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1.0 Introduction & Editorial Notes............................. 1
1.1 Copyright Notice......................................... 2
1.2 Geographic Description................................... 2
2.0 Gas Chambers............................................... 2
2.1 Krema I.................................................. 3
2.2 Krema II, III, IV, and V................................. 5
2.3 Zyklon B................................................. 6
3.0 Crematoria.................................................11
4.0 Compiling the estimates on numbers exterminated............12
4.1 How many people died at Auschwitz?.......................13
4.2 Estimates by nationality..............................14
5.0 Administration.............................[See Part Two]..15
5.1 Command Staff............................................15
5.2 Medical Staff............................................17
5.3 Selection................................................18
5.4 Tattooing................................................18
5.5 Medical Experimentation..................................19
5.5.1 Clauberg...............................................21
5.5.2 Mandel.................................................21
5.5.3 Mengele................................................22
5.5.4 Oberhauser.............................................22
5.5.5 Schumann...............................................23
6.0 Research Sources & Other Useful Appendices.................23
6.1 Recommended Reading......................................24
6.2 Abbreviations Used in Citations..........................27
6.3 Glossary.................................................27
6.4 Works Cited..............................................28
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1.0 Introduction & Editorial Notes
A January, 1993 newspaper article (Foner - see below) presents a
series of lies and distortions regarding events at the Auschwitz
concentration camp as historical fact. The article illustrated an
increasing effort on the part of world-wide neo-Nazi political
organizations to deny that the collective events commonly known as
the Holocaust did occur. Conot addressed the need for a continuing
effort to combat such material in his introduction (Justice at
Nuremberg):
Speaking to the Nuremberg tribunal in his opening address,
"Justice Jackson remarked; `What makes this inquest significant
is that these prisoners represent sinister influences that will
lurk in the world long after their bodies have returned to
dust.'
These influences, in fact, have regenerated like a poisonous
weed. Anti-Semitism and the euphemistic catchwords that led to
`the Final Solution of the Jewish Question' have reappeared hand
in hand. A world-wide cult has arisen claiming that the
Holocaust never happened. A hundred books, booklets, and
pamphlets have been printed alleging that the slaughter was
imaginary or exaggerated, and is but a Jewish invention.
All of this might be dismissed as the frustrated thrashing about
of a radical, irrational fringe were it not for the haunting
parallels to the pre-Hitler era, and the continuing employment
of Nazi propaganda methodology. A leader of the French
neo-Nazis, for example, asserts that those Jews who died had
merely been victims of the wartime food shortage. The Nazis
had, in fact, originally planned to starve the Jews to death,
allocating 186 calories per capita daily for their sustenance,
but had abandoned the scheme for more direct methods after the
ensuing epidemics had decimated not only the Jews but threatened
to spread to the relatively well-fed German population.
Similar in nature is the assertion that Zyklon B gas was
employed only as a disinfectant at Auschwitz. This had been the
case until the fall of 1941, when an enterprising SS officer had
concluded that if Zyklon B killed lice it could kill people just
as well. Thereafter, the gas had been used, first to murder
thousands of Soviet prisoners of war, and then hundreds of
thousands of Jews - nearly all of them women, children, and old
people unfit for `extermination through work.' Hitler's dictum
that `the magnitude of a lie always contains a certain factor of
credibility, since the great masses of the people ... more
easily fall victim to a big lie than to a little one' has once
more come into vogue.
[Auschwitz] [Page 2]
The most effective means to combat such distortions is to make
the facts accessible, and, with them, expose the statements for
what they are. At Nuremberg, General Telford Taylor, the
prosecutor of more war criminals than any other man, said: `We
cannot here make history over again. But we can see that it is
written true.' (Conot, xii-xiii)
This article is presented in that spirit, and in lasting memory of
those who were ruthlessly destroyed during the Holocaust. It is the
result of the combined effort of many, and contains data from myriad
sources. I would like to acknowledge the contributions from Danny
Keren (d...@cs.brown.edu) in particular, and the subscribers to the
Holocaust Research Information List in general. Without their
contributions, this document could not have been written.
The appearance of a quotation mark within a proper name indicates
that the previous letter should be read as an umlaut, although some
quoted material appends a trailing 'e' instead. (I.e. Hoess and
Hoess reference the same name.)
The documents cited in this work which are available from our ftp
server are often noted in the form (get <path>/<filename>).
1.1 Copyright
This post, as a collection of information, is Copyright 1993-1998 by Ken
McVay, as a work of literature. Non-commercial distribution by any
electronic means is granted with the understanding that the article
not be altered in any way. Permission to distribute in printed form
must be obtained in writing. The removal of this copyright notice is
forbidden.
1.2 Geographic Location
AUSCHWITZ: (Polish: Oswiecim) Located approximately 60km (37mi)
west of Krakow, in Eastern Upper Silesia, which was annexed to
Nazi Germany following the defeat of Poland, in September, 1939.
Site of Nazi death camp. The first camp was built shortly after
Poland's defeat, in a suburb of Oswiecim (Zasole), and held
about 10,000 prisoners. The second site, known as Auschwitz II,
or Birkenau, was located 3km from the original camp. Construction
began in October 1941, and, according to Dr. Franciszek Piper, of
the Muzeum Oswiecim, never completed.
2.0 Gas Chambers
"There was a sign 'to disinfection'. He said 'you see,
they are bringing children now'. They opened the door, threw
the children in and closed the door. There was a terrible cry.
[Auschwitz] [Page 3]
A member of the SS climbed on the roof. The people went on
crying for about ten minutes. Then the prisoners opened the
doors. Everything was in disorder and contorted. Heat was
given off. the bodies were loaded on a rough wagon and taken to
a ditch. The next batch were already undressing in the huts.
After that I didn't look at my wife for four weeks." (From the
testimony of SS private Boeck (Langbein, quoted in Pressac, 181))
2.1 Krema I - The Experimental Gas Chamber
David Cole has produced a videotape which filmed the director of the
Auschwitz State Museum apparently admitting that the gas-chamber
known as "Krema I" was constructed after the war ended, on the direct
order of Stalin. In a letter to Nizkor's Ken McVay, Dr. Piper explicitly
denies making any such statement. Foner (Foner, Samuel P. "Major
Historical Fact Uncovered" SPOTLIGHT Vol. XIX, Number 2, January 11,
1993) tells us:
The videotape on which Piper makes his revelations was taken in
mid-1992 by a young Jewish investigator, David Cole. It has
just been released, on January 1, 1993, although Cole announced
his project at the 11th International Revisionist Conference at
Irvine, California last October.
The small gas chamber of Krema I was used for gassing for a short
time, and then converted into an air-raid shelter; after the war,
it was reconstructed to look as it did when it was used for
gassing, as Dr. Piper notes in his letter of response to the Cole
video. The text of Piper's letter is a bit stilted, as Polish is
his native language, but his intent, and the facts, are quite
clear:
Cole maintains that I first time admitted the allegedly
unknown fact the Nazis adapted the crematorium in question
in which the gas chamber were located for air-raid shelter,
the fact allegedly unknown even for Museum guides. It is
un truth. See enclosed copies of pages from the books
which constitute the fundamental reading for Auschwitz
guides. In book by T-an Sehn "Concentrat Camp
Ogwiqcim-Brzezinka (Auschwitz-Birkenau)Warsaw 1957, You may
read on the page 152-"In May 1944 the old Crematorium I in
the base camp was adapted for use as an air raid shelter.
The Fact is also confirmed in the book by Jean Claude
Pressac "Auschwitz: Technique and operation of the gas
chambers, published by The Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, New
York 1989(515 Madison Avenue. On the page 157 you may
read: "With part of the building converted to an air raid
shelter, this is the state in which the SS abandoned
Krematorium I in January 1945" Repeating what Pressac had
written I told what was the nature of the adaptation works
carried out by the Nazis and what one had to do to remove
those changes in order to regain the previous appearance.
[Auschwitz] [Page 4]
They are all "Pipers revelations." In spite of the fact
that such secondary restoration works had to be done there
is an undisputable reality that the gas chamber in question
is housed in the same building which has been existed from
prewar times till now.
(get pub/people/p/piper.franciszec/press/daily.texan.1093
for the entire letter from Dr. Piper to the Daily Texan
regarding the Cole video; Dr. Piper was never the director
of the Auschwitz State Museum.)
Breitman offers the following as background information to the
development of Zyklon B as a killing device, and (more specifically)
to the early use to which Block 11 was put:
Auschwitz had been receiving trainloads of Soviet commissars and
other POW's who were subject to liquidation. Hoess's men had
shot previous shipments of Russian prisoners, but on September 3
Hoess's enterprising subordinate Hauptsturmfuehrer Fritsch
thought of an expedient new method based on the camp's own
experience. The buildings, many of them former Polish army
barracks, were full of insects, and the camp administration had
previously brought in the Hamburg pesticide firm of Tesch and
Stabenow to get rid of them. Two experts had fumigated
particular buildings with a patented insecticide, Zyklon B, a
crystalline form of hydrogen cyanide that turned gaseous when
exposed to the air. (Hoess, "Commandant of Auschwitz," 175.
Interrogation of Hoess, 14 May 1946, NA RG 238, M-1019/R 28/63)
On September 3 Fritsch decided to experiment. First he crammed
five or six hundred Russians and another 250 sick prisoners from
the camp hospital into an underground detention cell. Then the
windows were covered with earth. SS men wearing gas masks
opened the Zyklon-B canisters to remove what looked like blue
chalk pellets about the size of peas, creating a cloud of poison
gas. After they left, the doors were sealed.(Hoess, Commandant
at Auschwitz, 173. See also Yehuda Bauer, "Auschwitz," in
Jaeckel and Rohwere, eds., Der Mord an den Juden, 167-68) Hoess
wrote later that death was instantaneous. Perhaps that was what
he was told. But he was not present to witness the event; he
was away on a business trip. Other sources indicate that even
the next day not everyone was dead, and the SS men had to
release more insecticide. Eventually all the prisoners died.
When Hoess returned to Auschwitz, he heard about the successful
experiment. On Eichmann's next visit to Auschwitz, Hoess told
him about the possibilities of Zyklon-B, and, according to
Hoess, the two decided to use the pesiticide and the peasant
farmstead for extermination.(Hoess, Commandant, 175. From the
History of KL Auschwitz, New York, 1982, I, 190)(Breitman, 203)
SS-Unterscharfuehrer Pery Broad described a gassing in Krema I while
giving testimony (Museum, 176):
".... The `disinfectors' were at work. One of them was
SS-Unterscharfuehrer Teuer, decorated with the Cross of War
Merit. With a chisel and a hammer they opened a few
innocuously looking tins which bore the inscription `Cyclon, to
[Auschwitz] [Page 5]
be used against vermin. Attention, poison! to be opened by
trained personnel only!'. The tins were filled to the brim
with blue granules the size of peas. Immediately after opening
the tins, their contents were thrown into the holes which were
then quickly covered. Meanwhile Grabner gave a sign to the
driver of a lorry, which had stopped close to the crematorium.
The driver started the motor and its deafening noise was louder
than the death cries of the hundreds of people inside, being
gassed to death."
Mu"llers eyewitness account of gassings in Krema I, in April, 1942, is
recounted in Hilberg's "The Destruction of the European Jews,":
The Auschwitz procedure evolved in stages. In April 1942,
Slovak Jews were gassed in Crematorium I, apparently with their
clothes on. Later, deportees from nearby Sosnowiec were told
to undress in the yard. The victims, faced by the peremptory
order to remove their clothes, men in front of women and women
in front of men, became apprehensive. The SS men, shouting at
them, then drove the naked men, women and children into the gas
chamber.
In The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, Jozef Buszko (Jagiellonian
University, Krakow) writes: "The first, relatively small gas chamber was
built in Auschwitz I. Here the experimental gassing using Zyklon B gas
first took place, on September 3, 1941. The victims were 600 Soviet
prisoners of war and 250 other prisoners. After that experiment, the
firm J. A. Topf and Sons received a contract to build much larger,
permanent gas chambers connected with very large crematoria in
Auschwitz-Birkenau, where the mass exterminations were mainly carried
out. Altogether four such installations -- II, III, IV, and V -- were
built in Birkenau." (Encyclopedia, Vol. I, 113)
2.2 Krema II, III, IV, and V - The Birkenau Gas Chambers
Foner continues: "What Piper said, in effect - and on camera - was that
the explosive Leuchter Report was correct: No homicidal gassings took
place in the buildings designated `homicidal gas chambers' at
Auschwitz."
(As to the "Leuchter report", we refer you to the Leuchter Report FAQ,
- http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/leuchter/.
Foner omits mention of the larger gas chambers of Kremas II-V, in which
over a million people were murdered. Hilberg (Destruction) provides the
following:
[Auschwitz] [Page 6]
At Birkenau, illusion was the rule. It was not always simple
or possible, inasmuch as at least some of the deportees had
observed the sign "Auschwitz" as the train passed through the
railway yards, (Wiesel, 36) or had seen flames belching from
the chimneys, or had smelled the strange, sickening odor of the
crematoria. (Lengyel, 22) Most of them, however, like a group
from Salonika, were funneled through the undressing rooms, were
told to hang their clothes on hooks and remember the number,
and promised food after the shower and work after the food.
The unsuspecting Greek Jews, clutching soap and towels, rushed
into the gas chambers. (Mu"ller, 80-81) Nothing was allowed to
disturb this precarious synchronization. When a Jewish inmate
revealed to newly arrived people what was in store for them, he
was cremated alive. (Mu"ller, 80) Only in the case of victims
who were brought in from nearby ghettos in upper Silesia
(Sosnowiec and Bedzin) and who had had intimations of Auschwitz
was speed alone essential. These people were told to undress
quickly in their "own best interest." (Mu"ller, 69-71)
And finally, consider these remarks, from the SS Doctor Kremer, made
during a hearing held on 18 July, 1947. (Klee, 258)
I remember I once took part in the gassing of one of these
groups of women [from the women's camp in Auschwitz]. I cannot
say how big the group was. when I got close to the bunker I saw
them sitting on the ground. They were still clothed. As they
were wearing worn-out camp clothing they were not left in the
undressing hut but made to undress in the open air. I concluded
from the behavior of these women that they had no doubt what
fate awaited them, as they begged and sobbed to the SS men to
spare them their lives. However, they were herded into the gas
chambers and gassed. As an anatomist I have seen a lot of
terrible things: I had had a lot of experience with dead bodies,
and yet what I saw that day was like nothing I had ever seen
before. Still completely shocked by what I had seen I wrote on
my diary on 5 September 1942: "The most dreadful of horrors.
Hauptscharfuherer Thilo was right when he said to me today that
this is the 'anus mundi', the anal orifice of the world". I
used this image because I could not imagine anything more
disgusting and horrific.
2.3 Zyklon B
Two German firms, Tesch/Stabenow and Degesch, produced Cyclone
B gas after they acquired the patent from Farben. Tesch
supplied two tons a month, and Degesch three quarters of a ton.
The firms that produced the gas already had extensive experience
in fumigation. "In short, this industry used very powerful
gases to exterminate rodents and insects in enclosed spaces;
that it should now have become involved in an operation to kill
off Jews by the hundreds of thousands is not mere accident."
[Auschwitz] [Page 7]
(Hilberg, Commandant, 567) After the war the directors of the
firms insisted that they had sold their products for fumigation
purposes and did not know they were being used on humans. But
the prosecutors found letters from Tesch not only offering to
supply the gas crystals but also advising how to use the
ventilating and heating equipment. Hoess testified that the
Tesch directors could not help but know of the use for their
product because they sold him enough to annihilate two million
people. Two Tesch partners were sentenced to death in 1946 and
hanged. The director of Degesch recieved five years in prison."
(Feig) (See also Breitman, 203-204, for a discussion of the early
involvement of Heerdt-Lingler)
From the statement of Hans Stark, registrar of new arrivals,
Auschwitz (Klee, 255):
At another, later gassing -- also in autumn 1941 -- Grabner*
ordered me to pour Zyklon B into the opening because only one
medical orderly had shown up. During a gassing Zyklon B had to
be poured through both openings of the gas-chamber room at the
same time. This gassing was also a transport of 200-250 Jews,
once again men, women and children. As the Zyklon B -- as
already mentioned -- was in granular form, it trickled down over
the people as it was being poured in. They then started to cry
out terribly for they now knew what was happening to them. I
did not look through the opening because it had to be closed as
soon as the Zyklon B had been poured in. After a few minutes
there was silence. After some time had passed, it may have been
ten to fifteen minutes, the gas chamber was opened. The dead
lay higgledy-piggedly all over the place. It was a dreadful
sight.
* Maximillian Grabner, Head of Political Department, Auschwitz
Zyklon-B is a powerful insecticide which serves as a carrier for the
gas Hydrocyanic acid, or HCN. It usually comes in the shape of small
pellets or disks. (See Breitman, 203, for more detail about the
early use of the gas at Auschwitz) HCN is the cause of death
following the application of Zyklon-B. While interacting with iron
and concrete, it creates Hydrocyanic compounds, which Leuchter
admitted were found in the ruins of the gas chamber in Krematoria II.
His finding was confirmed by findings of the Polish government.
HCN is *extremely poisonous* to humans. It is used in execution gas
chambers in the US; the first was built in Arizona in 1920.
Holocaust denial often includes the claim that Germany in the 1940's
could not handle the "technical difficulties" inherent in using HCN
for execution - "difficulties" that were easily solved in 1920.
Moreover, the Germans had a lot of experience with HCN, as it was
extensively used for delousing.
[Auschwitz] [Page 8]
There were two types of gas chambers in Auschwitz: those used for
delousing clothes ("delousing gas chambers") and those used for
killing people on a massive scale ("extermination gas chambers").
The delousing gas chambers were a standard feature, and were left
intact by the SS (the extermination gas chambers were dynamited in an
effort to conceal criminal traces).
Holocaust denial asserts that because more Hydrocyanic compounds were
found in the delousing chambers in Auschwitz than in the ruins of the
extermination gas chambers, mass murder using the gas could not have
taken took place within, because the reverse would be true.
HCN is much more effective on warm-blooded animals, including humans,
than it is on insects. The exposure period (to HCN) is much greater
in delousing operations than in homicidal gassings. This means that
a much lower concentration is necessary to kill people than to get
rid of lice, etc. In delousing, concentrations of up to 16,000 ppm
(parts per million) are sometimes used, and exposure time can be up
to 72 hours; while 300 ppm will kill people in fifteen minutes or so.
Therefore, the HCN in the extermination chambers hardly had time to
form compounds on the walls. While some claim that the gas
would need a lot of time to kill, because it would have to spread all
over the chamber, it simply is not true; the gas chambers were not
that large (those in Krematoria II and III were about 210 square
meters), and the Zyklon-B was dropped from four openings (still
visible in the ruins of the gas chambers). Since the concentration
used was higher than the lethal one, death was very swift.
Furthermore, the delousing chambers are intact while the
extermination chambers were blown up (a .GIF picture of the one of
Krema II is available). Therefore, their walls have been exposed to
the elements for the last 50 years. The ruins of the gas chamber of
Krema II are covered with about 3 feet of water during certain
periods of the year; HCN compounds easily dissolve in these
surroundings. Nonetheless, so much gassing took place that some of
the compound remained.
Summarizing, the walls of the extermination gas chambers were in
contact with HCN for a much shorter time then those of the delousing
chambers, and for the last 45 years were exposed to surroundings
which dissolve the compounds, while the delousing rooms were not.
Therefore it is obvious that less traces of compounds would remain in
them.
This fact - that all, or most, of the compounds would vanish during
45 years of exposure - is clearly stated in the report written by the
experts of the Cracow Institute of Forensic Research.
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Holocaust deniers once claimed that the gas chamber in Krema I was
left intact, and therefore its walls were not exposed to the
elements. But - as they admit themselves - the gas chamber of Krema
I was used only for a short time, and than it was changed to an
air-raid shelter. After the liberation of the camp, it was
reconstructed to its original shape. This, and the fact that "only"
about 10,000 people were murdered inside it (compared to 350,000 and
400,000 in Kremas II and III) explain why relatively small amounts of
cyanide compounds remain. As for Kremas IV and V, they were
completely destroyed by the SS before the Soviets liberated the camp.
Finally, cyanide compounds were found on the ventilation grills of
the extermination chambers, proving beyond doubt that gassing did
take place inside them.
The claim that it would have been impossible to use the gas chambers
for killing, because they were too close to the furnaces, and the gas
would explode, is often found in Holocaust denial literature, and is
one of the assertions of the Leuchter report.
The concentration of HCN necessary to cause death is nearly 200 times
lower than that which causes explosion. Although the SS used a
concentration higher than the lethal one, it was far below that
causing explosion.
As a reference, one can look at "The Merck Index" and the "CRC
handbook of Chemistry and Physics", or consult any manual dealing
with toxicity and flammability of chemicals. For HCN, a
concentration of 300 ppm (parts per million) kills humans within a
few minutes, while the minimal concentration that can result in an
explosion is 56,000 ppm.
Another common claim is that it takes 20 hours to air a room which
has been disinfected with Zyklon-B, and therefore the eyewitness
accounts giving a time of 20-30 minutes from when the gassing started
to when the bodies where carried out is impossible, because the
people carrying out the bodies would perish.
If one disinfects a building in ordinary commercial use, it should
not be reentered within 20 hours. That figure, however, has no
meaning in relation to the extermination chambers, because they were
forcibly ventilated. Fifteen minutes were enough to replace the air.
When ventilation was not used, the Sonderkommando (prisoners used as
forced labor) who took the bodies out had gas masks on. The Germans
had plenty of experience with gas, especially HCN, which was widely
used for delousing. They knew how to work with it without getting
hurt. It is absurd to use the 20 hour figure in this context, which
does not assume forced ventilation and takes a huge safety factor
into account. The SS didn't care much for the safety of the
Sonderkommando who had to enter the gas chambers to take the corpses
out.
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Furthermore, what makes ventilation difficult and lengthy is the
presence of rugs, furniture, curtains, etc. Needless to say, these
were not present in the gas chambers - there was just bare concrete,
making ventilation fast and efficient.
If the "20 hours ventilation period" above was true, this would mean
that the corpses of people executed using cyanide gas in US gas
chambers would remain tied to the chair 20 hours after they were
killed...
Another common claim is that the "alleged" extermination chambers are
actually morgues, and that Zyklon-B was used in them as a disinfectant.
This claim stems from the fact that Hydrocyanic compounds were found
on the ventilation grills of the gas chambers in Krematoria II and
III (the chemical analysis was carried out by Dr. Jan Robel of the
Cracow Forensic Institute in December 1945, and was part of the
evidence in the trial of Auschwitz commander Hoess). This proves
that gassing did take place in that chamber. Zyklon-B cannot kill
anaerobic bacteria - it kills only aerobic organisms. That means it
would be useless for disinfecting corpses.
In closing, consider the testimony of SS private Hoeblinger:
(Langbein)
I was detailed to the transport service and I drove the Sanka
[abbreviation for Sanitatskraftwagon/medical truck] which was to
carry the prisoners....
Then we drove to the gas chambers. The medical orderlies
climbed a ladder, they had gas masks up there, and emptied the
cans. I was able to observe the prisoners while they were
undressing. It always proceeded quitely and without them
suspecting anything. It happened very quickly.
Note Pvt. Hoeblinger's mention of gas masks - some Holocaust deniers
insist that the SS-men dropping the gas would be killed by it, which
leads one to speculate about their reading ability.
Finally, the undeniable evidence that the SS ordered Degesch to
remove the indicator odor, mandated under German law, which was added
to the Zyklon B in order to provide a warning to human beings that
the lethal stuff was nearby. I believe this demonstrated clear
criminal intent - the SS would hardly have removed the indicator odor
if they had intended, as the denial set insists, to use the gas only
on insects and corpses... (get pub/orgs/german/farben.ig/farben.001 for
more information about this demand from the SS. Borkin, 123)
Recommended reading:
Barrington,J.H., ed. The Zyklon B Trial: Trial of Bruno Tesch and
Two Others. London, 1948, and Borkin (see Work Cited).
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Harmon, Brian. Technical Aspects of the Holocaust: Cyanide, Zyklon-B,
aand Mass Murder. (get pub/camps/auschwitz/cyanide.001), 1994
United Nations War Crimes Commission. Law Reports of Trials of War
Criminals. Vol. 1, London, 1947. See pp. 93-104
3.0 Crematoria
Konnilyn Feig provides an overview of the operation of the
crematoria, and describes the process by which the stoking gangs
sorted bodies into combustability catagories as the result of earlier
experiments by the SS staff to reduce fuel consumption. In this
effort, they had the assistance of the firm of Topf and Sons, who had
built the crematoria.
(http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/auschwitz.01)
In essence, well-nourished corpses were burned with emaciated ones in
order to determine the most efficient combination. Three to four
bodies were burned at a time, and different kinds of coke were used,
then the results were recorded:
Afterwards, all corpses were divided into the above-mentioned
catagories, the criterion being the amount of coke required to
reduce them to ashes. Thus it was decreed that the most
economical and fuel-saving procedure would be to burn the bodies
of a well-nourished man and an emaciated woman, or vice versa,
together with that of a child, because, as the experiments had
established, in this combination, once they had caught fire, the
dead would continue to burn without any further coke being
required. (Mu"ller, 60-61; Klarsfield, 99-100)
The need for large-scale efficiency, to cope with the astounding
number of corpses produced by the gas chambers, eventually led to the
design and construction of new crematoria, and daily capacity rose
from as low as six hundred forty eight per day (Mu"ller's 1942
figure) to a high of over ten thousand (Hoess, Gricksch), but, as
Feig tells us, the SS eventually had to employ large pyres and pits
to dispose of the mounting pile of corpses:
As early as June 13, 1943, all was not well with the new
installation. ... Eventually the ovens seemed to
fall apart. Crematorium Four failed completely after a short
time and Crematoria Five had to be shut down repeatedly. (TWC,
V:624) (Between 1945 and 1962 Polish officials found five
manuscripts written by Sonderkommando members before their
deaths. The published manuscripts and documents relate to the
specific process of extermination at Birkenau, and provide
detailed descriptions of the crematoria and gas chambers.)
The scientifically planned crematoria should have been able to
handle the total project, but they could not. The whole complex
had forty-six retorts, each with the capacity for three to five
persons. The burning in a retort lasted about half an hour. It
took an hour a day to clean them out. Thus it was theoretically
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possible to cremate about 12,000 corpses in twenty four hours or
4,380,000 a year. But the well-constructed crematoria fell far
behind at a number of camps, and especially at Auschwitz in
1944. In August the total cremation reached a peak one day of
24,000, but still a bottleneck occurred. Camp authorities
needed an economic and fast method of corpse disposal, so they
again dug six huge pits beside Crematorium Five and reopened old
pits in the wood. Thus, late in 1944, pit burning became the
chief method of corpse disposal. The pits had indentations at
one end from which human fat drained off. To keep the pits
burning, the stokers poured oil, alcohol, and large quantities
of boiling human fat over the bodies.
4.0 Compiling Estimates of the Numbers Exterminated
When the extermination camps failed to achieve their objective, the
total extermination of European Jewry, by the end of 1942, Heinrich
Himmler commissioned a statistical report in order to determine what
'progress' had been made.
In January of 1943, Dr. Richard Korherr, a noted statistician who was
outside SS circles, working with Adolf Eichmann and camp commanders,
began compiling reports and figures to present to Himmler. As
Breitman relates,
Korherr's job was complicated by the fact that, even in a report
designed for Himmler, he was not supposed to spell out the facts
in black and white. It was easier to state how many Jews were
still alive than what had happened to the others. To be sure,
Korherr could state that through various means the Jewish
population in the Reich and the Government General had
diminished by 3.1 million between 1933 and 1942. In spite of
his generous use of the term "evacuation," however, which
Himmler seconded, to mislead those who would read the document
in later years, Himmler had to correct Korherr's wording in one
place. Where Korherr had written of the "special treatment" of
the Jews, Himmler had insisted on either the "transportation of
the Jews from the Eastern provinces to the Russian East" or the
"sifting of the Jews through the camps." These were among the
officially approved terms to camouflage the realities of the
Final Solution. (Korherr's reports in NA RG 238, NO-5193 and
5194, Himmler's correction of wording in Brandt to Korherr, 20
April 1943. NA RG 238, NO-5196. Raul Hilberg, The Destruction
of the European Jews {Chicago, 1961}, 2nd expanded ed., 3 vols.
{New York, 1985},I, 322-23, reviews the whole range of Nazi
terms that veiled the realities.) (Breitman, 242)
Note that Himmler was successful in his attempts to camouflage
reality to the degree that present-day Holocaust denial insists that
Jews were simply "relocated to the East," and not exterminated.
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Eichmann's interrogation regarding the total number of victims
supports Fleming's figure of about five million killed (get
pub/people/e/eichmann.adolf/eichmann.005), while figures compiled
by Yehuda Bauer, of Yad Vashem, Jerusalem, are somewhat higher.
Bauer's figures are in the right-most column:
German Reich (boundaries of 1938) 130,000 125,000
Austria 58,000 65,000
Belgium 26,000
Belgium & Luxembourg 24,700
Bulgaria 7,000
Czechoslovakia (boundaries of 1938) 245,000 277,000
France 64,000 83,000
Greece 58,000 65,000
Hungary & Carpatho-Ukraine 300,000 402,000*
Italy 8,000 7,500*
Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia 200,000
Luxembourg 3,000
Netherlands 101,800 106,000
Norway 677 760
Poland (boundaries of 1939) 2,700,000
Polish-Soviet area 4,565,000
Romania (boundaries prior to 1940) 220,000 40,000
USSR (boundaries prior to 1939) 800,000
Yugoslavia 54,000 60,000*
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4,975,477 5,820,960
* May be underestimated
4.1 How many people died at Auschwitz?
Foner's Spotlight article makes the following assertions regarding the
number of people killed at the camp:
Like most Americans, since his youth Cole had been instructed
in the "irrefutable fact" that homicidal gassings had taken
place at Auschwitz. The number of those so executed - also
declared irrefutable - was 4.1 million.
Then came the Leuchter Report in 1988. This was followed by a
"re-evaluation" of the total deaths at Auschwitz (down to 1.1
million). As a budding historian - and a Jew - Cole was
intrigued.
Previous to 1992, anyone who publicly doubted the 4.1 million
"gassing" deaths at Auschwitz was labeled an anti-Semite,
neo-nazi skinhead (at the very least). Quietly, because of
revisionist findings, the official figure was lowered to 1.1
million. No mention of that missing 3 million.
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Foner's assertions are simply not true; although it is correct to note
that the Polish Communist government did claim that four million people
were exterminated at Auschwitz, historians (Feig, Reitlinger, Hilberg,
et al.) have never supported that figure. Consider the estimates
provided by Buszko at the end of his article on Auschwitz, which appeared
in the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust:
Of the 405,000 registered prisoners, 65,000 survived
Of the 16,000 Soviet POW's, 96 survived
Various estimates suggest 1.6 million were murdered
Buszko's article, and the above estimates, appeared in the 1990 edition
of the Encyclopedia, which clearly puts the lie to Foner's comment that
"anyone who publicly doubted the 4.1 million ..." figure "previous to
1992..." was "...labeled an anti-Semite..." Buszko is not only a Jewish
historian, but Polish as well.
Leon Poliakov, the author of the well-documented "Harvest of
Hate," which was, we note, first published in _1956_, provides
the following information, which clearly demonstrates that Foner's
contention, cited above, is an outright lie:
After some thirty months of intense activity, the Auschwitz
balance sheet showed close to two million immediate
exterminations (this figure can never be fixed exactly), (8) to
which one must add the deaths of some 300,000 registered
prisoners - Jews for the most part, but not entirely - for whom
the gas chamber was only one of any number of ways by which they
might have perished. (Poliakov, 202)
(8) In his affidavits, Hoess spoke of two and a half million,
'a figure set officially,' he wrote, under the signature of
[Eichmann], in a report to Himmler. This figure has been
accepted by several authors, and it appears in the verdict at
the trial of the major war criminals. However, there is no
reason for accepting without question the statistics attributed
to Eichmann, which may err on either side. Adding the number of
victims to those deported from different countries gives a lower
figure, although we have little data, for example, on the number
of Polish Jews sent to Auschwitz. An approximate figure in the
neighborhood of two million seems closer to the truth."
(Ibid.)
Feig also provides evidence of the false nature of Foner's comment when
she notes that `Hoess testified that the Tesch directors could not help
but know of the use for their product because they sold him enough to
annihilate two million people.' Feig's book was published in 1981.
[Continued in Part Two]
Kenneth McVay OBC
Last-modified: 1998/12/16
Auschwitz: A Layman's Guide to Auschwitz-Birkenau
Part Two
5.0 Administration.............................................15
5.1 Command Staff............................................15
5.2 Medical Staff............................................17
5.3 Selection................................................18
5.4 Tattooing................................................18
5.5 Medical Experimentation..................................19
5.5.1 Clauberg...............................................21
5.5.2 Mandel.................................................21
5.5.3 Mengele................................................22
5.5.4 Oberhauser.............................................22
5.5.5 Schumann...............................................23
6.0 Research Sources & Other Useful Appendices.................23
6.1 Recommended Reading......................................24
6.2 Abbreviations Used in Citations..........................27
6.3 Glossary.................................................27
6.4 Works Cited..............................................28
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According to Snyder, Adolf Eichmann reported to Himmler, in 1944, that
four million had been killed in the camps, and another million had been
shot or killed by mobile units. (Encyclopedia of the Third Reich.
1989) Eichmann's report, which referenced _all_ the camps (most of which
were in Nazi-occupied Poland), may have been the source of the Polish
Communist government's figures. (Snyder is a Professor of History at
the City College and the City University of New York.)
During the war crimes trials, Hoess was asked if it was true that
he had no exact numbers because he had been forbidden to compile them,
and he agreed. He also agreed that Adolf Eichmann had told him that
two and one half million people had been exterminated there.
(von Lang, 120, and 'Wspomnienia Rudolfa Hoessa komendanta obozu
oswiecimskiego,' Warsaw, 1965.)
The Institut Fuer Zeitgeschichte, Munich, provided the following
capsulated paragraph about Auschwitz in a March, 1992, letter of
inquiry.
(http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/ifz/ifz.report)
The extermination camp in Birkenau, established in the second
half of 1941, was joined to the concentration camp Auschwitz,
existing since May 1940. From January 1942 on in five gas
chambers and from the end of June 1943 in four additional large
gassing-rooms gassings with Zyklon B have been undertaken. Up
until November 1944 more than one million Jews and at least 4000
gypsies have been murdered by gas. (IFZ)
While it is admittedly difficult to compile exact figures, since the
Nazis did not maintain registration records for those who were to be
exterminated immediately upon arrival at Auschwitz, it seems accurate
to assert that the number of Jews killed fell somewhere between one
and one-point-six million.
Jews were not the only victims of the Auschwitz killing machine -
estimates that from 200,000 (Gilbert, 22, Kendrick, 184) to 500,000
(Bubenickova, 190, Yoors, 34) Gypsies were ultimately destroyed are
noted by Laska. Himmler signed the decree sending all of them to
Auschwitz in 1942. In addition, an unknown number of homosexuals were
sent to Auschwitz and executed.
The Leuchter Report, which Foner alludes to extensively in his Spotlight
article, has been thoroughly refuted. For detailed information about the
report, see the Leuchter FAQ, published regularly in this newsgroup.
(http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/leuchter/)
4.2 Estimates of dead by nationality [Work in progress]
4.2.3 Polish Christians
The number of Polish Christians registered at Auschwitz is
given as at 137,000, and "at least" 10,000 more were put
murdered without registration. (Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death
Camp, 69-70) Lucas tells us that historians disagree with
regard to the total number of Polish Christians killed by
the Nazis, Lukas, 88-95) and Bauer reportedly puts the figure
at 83,000. (Steinfels, Peter. "Auschwitz Revisionism: An
Israeli Scholar's Case," New York Times, 12 Nov. 1989
5.0 Administration
5.1 Command Staff
Fritsch, Hauptsturmfu"hrer (Credited with the first use of Zyklon-B
as means of exterminating human subjects. See Breitman, 202)
Grabner, Maximillian. Head of Political Department
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Hoess, Rudolf Franz (1900-1947). Hoess joined the Nazi party in
1922. In 1923, he was implicated in a murder and imprisoned to serve
a life sentence. He was released as a result of a general
amnesty, in 1928. After training during service at Dachau and
Sachsenhausen, he was rewarded for his loyalty with a promotion to the
rank of SS-Hauptsturmfu"hrer (see Glossary) and the commandant's job
at Auschwitz, where he remained until December of 1943, when he was
promoted to chief of the Central Administration for Camps. (Sachar.
http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hoess.rudolf.ferdinand/hoess.01
http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hoess.rudolf.ferdinand/hoess.02
http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hoess.rudolf.ferdinand/hoess.03)
According to Snyder, " He performed his job so well that he was
commended in a 1944 SS report that called him "a true pioneer in this
area because of his new ideas and educational methods."
Hoess was captured on March 11, 1946, and was a key witness at Nuremberg
(Kaltenbrunner, I.G. Farben et al). On May 25, he was extradited
to Poland. During this period, he wrote his autobiography, "Commandant
of Auschwitz: Autobiography of Rudolf Hoess." (Cleveland: World
Publishing, 1959) His statement is available in the original German
text, and in English translation. (Get
http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hoess.rudolf.ferdinand/hoess.statemen)
According to Sachar, he, "...took pride in his exemplary family life,
the devotion to his children and his pets. He recalled, wistfully,
how he had been obliged to tear himself away from a Christmas
gathering to attend to duties at the gas chambers. The daily death
quota then was still a mere 1,500, but he was eager to make sure it
was met. When one of his lieutenants was condemned to death for his
part in the Auschwitz murders, Hoess and his family lamented `Such a
compassionate man, too. When his pet canary died, he tenderly put
the body in a small box, covered it with a rose, and buried it under
a rose bush in the garden.'(Hoess, 25)(Sachar)
During his trial, the evidence "...repeated...what he had written..."
in his autobiography. "He described, with the dispassion of a robot,
how he had gradually stepped up executions, beginning with a few
hundred a day and then, as methods were perfected, rising to 1,200.
By mid-1942, facilities had been sufficiently enlarged to dispatch
1,500 people over a twenty-four-hour period for the smaller ovens,
and up to 2,500 for the larger ones. By 1943, ... a new daily peak
of 12,000 was achieved. Hoess described the final routines of the
extermination process. These were assigned to squads of Jewish
prisoners, the Sondercommandos. They marched the victims to the gas
chambers, helped to undress them, removed the corpses after the
gassing, extracted gold from their teeth and rings from their
fingers, searched the orifices of their bodies for hidden jewelry,
cut off the hair of the women, and then carted the bodies to the
crematoria. Usually after several weeks of such service they were
executed, first because they were Jews but also so that they would
not be witnesses if ever testimony were required." (Sachar)
Hoess was tried in Warsaw, in March, 1947, and condemned to death.
(Hanged on April 16, 1947, at Auschwitz.)
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Kramer, Josef. Commandant at Birkenau.
Mandel, Maria. Head of the women's camp at Auschwitz after serving
at Ravensbruck.
5.2 Medical Staff
Testimony from German court records relating to the trials of SS men
charged with medical killing at Auschwitz is now available from our
archives. The source for this data, Nauman, is listed in Section 6.1,
Recommended Reading.
(http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/auschwitz.010)
Clauberg, Karl. Pursued his experiments on live specimens in
Auschwitz. Involved in sterilization projects there. (Laska, 222)
Dr. Wladyslav Dering. Dering was a Polish prisoner
Dr. Entress
Gebhardt, Karl. Involved in vivisection projects at both Ravensbruck
and Auschwitz. Shot as war criminal in 1948. (Laska, 225)
Hantl
Klehr
Kremer, Johannes Paul. Vivisection. Sentenced to death in a Crakov
trial, but later recieved amnesty.
Mengele, Josef (1911- ?). Mengele was appointed chief doctor at
Birkenau by the Camp Garrison Doctor in 1943. He joined Drs. Klein,
Koenig, and Thilon in running the selection process. Bibliography:
Gerald L. Posner and John Ware, "Mengele: The Complete Story", New York,
McGraw-Hill Book Company, 1986.(Snyder) Mengele is believed dead,
but his fate remains unknown. (See the 1991 "Children of the Flames,"
for citations regarding Mengele's experimentation on twins)
Muench, Hans. SS Untersturmfuehrer.
The doctor and former SS-Untersturmfuehrer Hans Muench was among
the 40 members of the Auschwitz camp personnel indicted and tried
in Krakow in Poland 1946-1947. The trial led to some 20 death
sentences, but Muench was acquitted.
He had taken part in gassings but had refused to assist in the
so-called selections. Some ex-prisoners also testified in his
favour. After his release, Muench returned to Germany where he
continued his medical practice. In 1964 he testified at the
Auschwitz trial in Frankfurt am Main. He agreed to an interview
with Swedish television in 1981, against the wish of his family.
It has been broadcasted twice on Swedish TV, in 1982 and 1992.
A translation of this television interview may be found at
ftp.nizkor.org, in the directory pub/people/m/muench.hans, as
swedish-television-interview (our thanks to a Swedish user for
providing this text). Snippets from court testimony are
also available in the same directory.
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Oberhauser, Herta.
Scherpe
Schumann, Horst.
5.3 Selection
In a report entitled "Resettlement of Jews," SS-Sturmbannfu"hrer
Gricksch provided the following information for SS-Col. von Herff
and Reichsfu"hrer-SS Himmler, after inspection between the 14th. and
16th. of May, 1943. (Fleming, 142)
The Auschwitz camp plays a special role in the resolution of the
Jewish question. The most advance methods permit the execution
of the Fuehrer-order in the shortest possible time and without
arousing much attention. The so-called "resettlement action"
runs the following course: The Jews arrive in special trains
(freight cars) toward evening and are driven on special tracks
to areas of the camp specifically set aside for this purpose.
There the Jews are unloaded and examined for their fitness to
work by a team of doctors, in the presence of the camp
commandant and several SS officers. At this point anyone who
can somehow be incorporated into the work program is put in a
special camp. The curably ill are sent straight to a medical
camp and are restored to health through a special diet. The
basic principle behind everything is: conserve all manpower for
work. The previous type of "resettlement action" has been
thoroughly rejected, since it is too costly to destroy precious
work energy on a continual basis.
The report then describes the fate of those unlucky enough to have
been considered incurably ill or unfit for slave labour, and provides
some details with regard to the killing process.
The results of this "resettlement action" to date: 500,000 Jews.
Current capacity of the "resettlement action" ovens: 10,000 in
24 hours.
5.4 Tattooing
Buszko (see above), writing in the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust,
explains why some prisoners were tattooed, while others were not:
Prisoners were registered and received numbers tattooed on
their left arm upon leaving the quarantine in Birkenau for
forced labor in Auschwitz or in one of the subcamps. The same
procedure applied to those prisoners who were directed straight
to Auschwitz I: 405,000 prisoners were registered in this way.
[Ed. Note: Buszko later notes that only 65,000 of those so
registered and tattooed survived. knm] Not included in any
form of registration were the vast majority of the Auschwitz
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victims, those men and women who, upon arrival in Auschwitz II,
were led to the gas chambers and killed there immediately.
Also not included in the registration were those prisoners who
were sent to work in other concentration camps not belonging to
the Auschwitz system. ... Still another group of unregistered
prisoners were those who were designated for execution after a
short stay in the camp. That group consisted mainly of
hostages, Soviet army officers, and partisans." (Encyclopedia,
Vol. I, 110-111)
5.5 Medical Experimentation
Several of the seventy or more medical-research projects conducted by
the Nazis between the fall of 1939 and spring of 1945 were conducted
at Auschwitz. These projects involved experiments conducted with
human beings against their will, and at least seven thousand were so
treated, based upon existing documents and personal testimonies;
there were undoubtedly many more for which no documentation or
personal testimony remains.
About two hundred German medical doctors were involved in the
concentration camp experiments, conducting 'Selektionen,' medical
services, and research. They maintained close professional ties with
the German medical establishment, and used the universities and
research institutes in Germany and Austria in their work.
Dr. Ernst Robert Grawitz, SS Chief Medical Officer, received all
requests for authority to perform experimentation, and obtained two
opinions before passing them to Himmler with his recommendation.
Grawitz used Dr. Karl Gebhardt, Himmler's personal physician, for
one opinion, and Richard Glu"cks and Arthur Nebe for the other. He
then passed his report to Himmler, who took great interest in the
experiments and often interfered with them.
There were three broad classes of experiments. The German Air Force
conducted experiments at Dachau (and elsewhere) dealing with survival
and rescue, including research into the effects of high altitude,
freezing temperatures, and the ingestion of seawater.
Medical treatment constituted a second class, and involved research
into the treatment of battle injuries, gas attacks, and the
formulation of immunization compounds to treat contageous and
epidemic diseases.
Finally, there were racial experiments, including research into
dwarfs and twins, serological research, and skeletal examination. It
is this class of horrors that returns us to Auschwitz.
(Encyclopedia, Vol. 3, 957-958)
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During his interrogation of Adolf Eichmann, Israeli police Captain
Avner Less brought up the subject of Eichmann's complicity in medical
'research' projects which had been approved by the Reichsfu"hrer-SS,
Heinrich Himmler, and read three documents to him. What follows is
the text of Less's interrogation at that point...
LESS: I have some photostats of documents that were submitted in
the first Nuremberg war crimes trial, the trial of the
physicians. The sender of this letter is the business manager
of Ahnenerbe. I'll read it to you. "Berlin, November 2, 1942.
Secret. To SS-Obersturmbannfu"hrer Dr. Brandt. Dear Comrade
Brandt: As you know, the Reichsfu"hrer-SS gave orders some time
ago to the effect that SS-Hauptsturmfu"hrer Prof. Dr. Hirt
should be supplied with everything he requires for his research.
For certain anthropological investigations -- I have already
reported to the Reichsfu"hrer-SS on the subject -- 150 skeletons
of prisoners or Jews are needed, and these are to be made
available by the Auschwitz concentration camp." Etc. etc. It's
signed: "With comradely greetings, Heil Hitler, Yours, Sievers."
The second document is a report by this Professor Hirt. "Re:
Procurement of the skulls of Jewish-Bolshevistic commissars for
scientific research at the University of Strassburg." I quote:
"Extensive skull collections from nearly all races and people
are in existence. It is only of Jews that so few skulls are
available to science that work on them admits of no secure
findings. The war in the East now offers us an opportunity to
make good this deficiency. In the Jewish-Bolshevistic
commissars, who embody a repulsive and characteristic type of
subhuman, we have the possibility of acquiring a reliable
scientific document by acquiring their skulls. The smoothest
and most expeditious way of obtaining and securing this
provision of skulls would be to instruct the Wehrmacht to hand
over all Jewish-Bolshevistic commissars immediately to the
military police. The person charged with securing this material
(a young physician or medical student belonging to the Werhmacht
or better still to the military police) is to prepare a
previously specified series of photographs and anthropoligical
measurements. After the subsequently induced death of the Jew,
whose head must not be injured, he will separate the head from
the trunk and send it, immersed in a preserving fluid, in
well-sealed lead containers made especially for this purpose, to
the designated address."
And now the next document. A letter of June 21, 1943. From
Ahnenerbe. Top secret. "To Reich Security Headquarters IVB4,
Attention: SS-Obersturmfu"hrer Eichmann. Re: Skeleton
collection. With reference to your letter of September 25,
1942, and the consultations held since then regarding the
above-mentioned matter, we wish to inform you that Dr. Bruno
Beger, our staff member charged with the above-mentioned special
mission, terminated his work in the Auschwitz concentration camp
[Auschwitz] [Page 21]
on June 15, 1943, because of the danger of an epidemic. In all,
115 persons, 79 male Jews, 2 Poles, 4 Central Asians, and 30
Jewesses, were processed. These inmates have been placed, men
and women separately, in the concentration-camp sick quarters,
and quarantined. For the further processing of these selected
persons, immediate transfer to Natzweiler concentration camp is
desirable and should be effected as quickly as possible in view
of the danger of infection in Auschwitz. A list of the selected
persons is appended. You are requested to send the necessary
instructions."
And now for the last document. "The Reichsfu"hrer-SS Personal
Staff, Field Headquarters, November 6, 1942. Secret. To Reich
Security Headquarters IVB4. Attention: SS-Obersturmfu"hrer
Eichmann. The Reichsfu"hrer-SS has ordered that Dr. Hirt, head
of the Anatomy Department in Strassburg, should be supplied with
everything needed for his research. In the name of the
Reichsfu"hrer-SS, I therefore request you to help establish the
projected skeleton collection. per. proc.
SS-Obersturmbannfu"hrer Brandt." (von Lang, 169-171)
Thus the German government's full complicity in the crimes committed
at Auschwitz under the guise of "medical research" is clear, with a
chain of evidence reaching all the way to Himmler.
5.5.1 Clauberg
Professor Carl Clauberg performed experiments into sterilization at
both Auschwitz and Ravensbru"ck. This was done on Hitler's
initiative, as he had been convinced by several doctors that mass
sterilization could provide a powerful weapon against Germany's
enemies during total war.
Clauberg injected chemical substances into wombs during normal
gynochological examinations. Thousands of Jewish and Gypsy women were
subjected to this treatment. Clauberg sought to answer Himmler's
query about how long it would take to sterilize one thousand women,
and eventually informed him that, using methods he developed, a staff
of one doctor and ten assistants could do the job in a single day.
The injections totally destroyed the lining membrane of the womb and
seriously damaged the ovaries of the victims, which were then removed
and sent to Berlin to test the effectiveness of the method.
(Encyclopedia, Vol. 3, 964)
5.5.2 Mandel
... after Ravensbruck ... was the head of the women's camp at
Auschwitz; the prisoners referred to her as `the beast.' For her
share in the selections for the gas chambers and medical
experiments and for her torture of countless prisoners, she was
condemned to death in 1947 as a war criminal. (Laska)
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5.5.3 Mengele
Mengele promoted medical experimentation on inmates, especially
dwarfs and twins. He is said to have supervised an operation by
which two Gypsy children were sewn together to create Siamses twins;
the hands of the children became badly infected where the veins had
been resected. (Snyder)
Cohen tells us: "The only firsthand evidence on these experiments
comes from a handful of survivors and from a Jewish doctor, Miklos
Nyiszli, who worked under Mengele as a pathologist. Mengele subjected
his victims - twins and dwarfs aged two and above - to clinical
examinations, blood tests, X rays, and anthropological measurements.
In the case of the twins, he drew sketches of each twin, for
comparison. He also injected his victims with various substances,
dripping chemicals into their eyes (apparently in an attempt to
change their color). He then killed them himself by injecting
chloroform into their hearts, so as to carry out comparative
pathological examinations of their internal organs. Mengele's
purpose, according to Dr. Nyiszli, was to establish the genetic cause
for the birth of twins, in order to facilitate the formulation of a
program for doubling the birthrate of the 'Aryan' race. The
experiments on twins affected 180 persons, adults and children.
Mengele also carried out a large number of experiments in the field
of contageous diseases, (typhoid and tuberculosis) to find out how
human beings of different races withstood these diseases. He used
Gypsy twins for this purpose. Mengele's experiments combined
scientific (perhaps even important) research with the racist and
ideological aims of the Nazi regime. which made use of government
offices, scientific institutions, and concentration camps. From the
scanty information available, it appears that his research differed
from the other medical experiments in that the victims' death was
programmed into his experiments and formed a central element in it."
(Encyclopedia, Vol. 3, 964)
5.5.4 Oberhauser
Dr. Herta Oberhauser killed prisoners with oil and evipan
injections, removed their limbs and vital organs, rubbed ground
glass and sawdust into wounds. She drew a twenty-year sentence
as a war criminal, but was released in 1952 and became a family
doctor at Stocksee in Germany. Her license to practice medicine
was revoked in 1960. (Laska, 223)
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5.5.5 Schumann
Himmler, writing to SS-Oberfu"hrer Brack, on August 11, 1942,
expressed an interest in sterilization experiments involving
the use of x-rays (Get pub/camps/auschwitz/sterilization). In April
of 1944, he received a report of the work of Dr. Horst Schumann
"on the influence of X-rays on human genital glands" at Auschwitz.
The report included the following statement:
Previously you have asked Oberfuehrer Brack to perform this
work, and you supported it by providing the adequate material in
the concentration camp Auschwitz. I point especially to the
second part of this work, which shows that by those means
castration of males is almost impossible or requires an effort
which does not pay. As I have convinced myself, operative
castration requires not more than 6 to 7 minutes, and therefore
can be performed more reliably and quicker than castration by
X-rays.
Schumann set up an X ray station at Auschwitz in 1942, in the woman's
camp Bla. Here men and women were forcibly sterilized by being
positioned repeatedly for several minutes between two x-ray machines,
the rays aiming at their sexual organs. Most subjects died after
great suffering, or were gassed immediately because the radiation
burns from which they suffered rendered them unfit for work. Men's
testicles were removed and sent to Breslau for histopathological
examination. The frequently following ovariotomies were performed
also by the Polish prisoner, Dr. Wladyslav Dering. Dering once bet
with an SS man that he could perform ten ovariotomies in an
afternoon, and won his bet. Some of his victims survived. Dering
was declared a war criminal but eluded justice and for a time
practiced medicine in British Somaliland. (Laska, 223. Encyclopedia,
Vol. 3, 965)
6.0 Research Materials & Sources
Vera Laska notes that there are over ten-thousand printed sources
relating to Auschwitz alone, and offers this guidance for those pursuing
Holocaust research:
Yad Vashem Martyrs' and Heroes' Memorial Authority in Jerusalem
is a depository of documents and memoirs on the Holocaust,
mostly in German, Hebrew and Yiddish. It also issues the Yad
Vashem Studies on the European Jewish Catastrophe and
Resistance. (The 1991 Yad Vashem English publications guide is
now included in the Holocaust Almanac bibliographies. Get
pub/holocaust/bibliography/biblio.05)
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The Centre de Documentation Juive Contemporaine in Paris and
the Wiener Library in London are major sources of information.
The Wiener Library's catalogue series published a bibliography,
Persecution and Resistance Under the Nazis (London: Valentine,
Mitchell, 1960). ...
In the United States the YIVO Institute for Jewish Research
(1048 Fifth Avenue, New York, N.Y. 10028) houses several
collections of ghetto documents and related primary source
materials. It publishes the YIVO Annual of Jewish Social
Science. Since 1960, Yad Vashem* and the YIVO** Institute have
been engaged in preparing a multivolume bibliographical series
on the Holocaust; one of the volumes, Jacob Robinson, ed., The
Holocaust and After: Sources and Literature in English
(Jerusalem: Israel University Press, 1973) is most helpful.
* (URL: http:/yvs.shani.net/)
** (URL: http://www.ort.org/communit/yivo/start.html)
The Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (823 United Nations
Plaza, New York, N.Y. 10017) supplies teaching materials at
reasonable prices, for instance The Record - The Holocaust in
History, 1933-1945, published in cooperation with the National
Council for Social Studies in 1978.
The Library of Congress and the National Archives are rich
sources for researchers, containing among others the
transcripts of war crime trials. This in itself is an immense
documentation; for instance, the Nuremberg Doctors' Trial of
twenty-three defendents alone takes up 11,538 pages in nineteen
volumes. Indexes can be consulted about various concentration
camps. ...
In addition to the massive amount of information Laska notes, additional
bibliographic sources are available through the Holocaust bibliographic
files available on http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?bibliographies and
elsewhere. In particluar, see the list of major research centres listed in
EDUCATION RESEARCH.CNTRS, which was added to our archives in December, 1994.
6.1 Recommended Reading
Our Holocaust archives are available via InterNet Gopher. To access
this service, use the command "gopher jer1.co.il". The archives
are also available via World Wide Web
(URL: http://www.nizkor.org) and anonymous ftp (ftp.nizkor.org).
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Suggested reading related to Auschwitz, from the Encyclopedia of the
Holocaust and elsewhere:
Brugioni, Dino A., and Robert G. Poirier. The Holocaust Revisited: A
Retrospective Analysis of the Auschwitz-Birkenau Extermination Complex.
(Central Intelligence Agency, Washington, D.C.) February 1979.
The paper includes aerial photographs of the Auschwitz-Birkenau
complex in operation during WWII. A summary of their analysis
is included in the paper. These photos corroborate eyewitness
accounts/Nazi documentation on camp operations.
You can obtain a copy from the US gov't through the following
sources:
National Technical Information Service
5285 Port Royal Road
Springfield, VA 22161
or:
Photoduplication Service
Library of Congress
Washington, D.C. 20540
Use the report number(#st 79-10001) and the document number
(NTISUBE28002) to speed service along. The document # is
particularly important.
Brewster, Eva. Vanished in Darkness. Edmonton: NeWest Publishers
Limited, 1984. (First-person account of life within Auschwitz)
Friedman, P. "Crimes in the Name of Science," in "Roads to Extinction:
Essays on the Holocaust." Edited by A.J. Friedman. Philadelphia, 1980
Gilbert, M. Auschwitz and the Allies. New York, 1981
Gutman, Yisrael, and Michael Berenbaum, Ed. Anatomy of the
Auschwitz Death Camp. Bloomington and Indianapolis: 1994
Gutman, Y., and A. Saf, eds. The Nazi Concentration Camps:
Structure and Aims; The Image of the Prisoner; The Jews in the
Camps. Proceedings of the Fourth Yad Vashem International
Historical Conference. Jerusalem, 1984
Hoess, R. Commandant of Auschwitz. London, 1959
Ja"ckel, Eberhard, and H. David Kirk, trans. David Irving's Hitler.
Port Angeles, Washington: Ben-Simon Publications, 1993
Kielar, W. Anus Mundi: Fifteen Hundred Days in Auschwitz-
Birkenau. New York, 1980
Kudlien, F., ed. A"rzte im Nationalsoczialismus. Cologne, 1985
[Auschwitz] [Page 26]
Lagnato, Lucette Matalon and Sheila Cohn Dekel. Children of the
Flames. New York: William Morrow and Company, Inc., 1991 (Mengele's
experimentation with twins at Auschwitz)
Langbein, H. Auschwitz-Prozess: Eine Dokumentation. 2 Vols.
Vienna, 1965
Langbein, H. Menschen in Auschwitz. Vienna, 1972
Lifton, R.J. The Nazi Doctors: Medical Killing and the Psychiatry
of Genocide." New York, 1986
Levi, P. Survival in Auschwitz: The Nazi Assault on Humanity. New
York, 1981
Lukowski, J. Bibliografia obozu koncentracyjnego Oswiecim-
Brzezinka. 5 vols. Warsaw, 1970
Mark, B. The Scrolls of Auschwitz. Tel Aviv, 1985
Mitscherlich, A., and F. Mielke. Doctors of Infamy: The Story of
Medical Crimes. New York, 1949
Mu"ller, Filip. Eyewitness Auschwitz: Three Years in the Gas Chambers.
New York: Stein and Day, 1979
Nauman, Bernd. Auschwitz: A Report on The Procedings Against Robert
Karl Ludwig Mulka and Others Before the Court at Frankfurt. New York:
Frederick A. Praeger, 1966
Piper, Franciszek, and Teresa Swiebocka, Ed. Auschwitz, Nazi Death
Camp. Oswiecim, 1996. Book supplied by the Auschwitz State Museum.
Piper, Franciszek. Auschwitz: How Many Perished - Jews, Poles,
Gypsies... Oswiecim 1992.
Proctor, R. Racial Hygiene: Medicine under the Nazis.
Cambridge, Mass., 1988
Keys, Laurinda. Death Books of Auschwitz. K.G. Saur, 1995. (See
http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/press/death-books.001
and ~/002 for information concerning the release of this work.)
Social Studies School Services offers an extensive list of teaching
materials dealing with the Holocaust, and Auschwitz. For a list of
books, videotapes, and photo histories, get
pub/holocaust/bibliographies/ssss.books-1 and holocaust ssss.video.
Of particular interest are the videotapes "Kitty: Return to Auschwitz,"
"Nazi Concentration Camps," the official film record of the Nazi death
camps as photographed by Allied liberation forces in 1945, and
"Holocaust: Liberation of Auschwitz."
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6.2 Abbreviations Used in Citations
The following abbreviations may be used throughout this document:
IFZ.........Institut fu"r Zeitgeschichte, Munich
IRR.........Investigative Repository Records
NA..........United States National Archives
RG 59.......NA Diplomatic Records
RG 84.......Washington National Records Center, Diplomatic Post Records
RG 153......Washington National Records Center, Records of the
Office of the (Army) Judge Advocate
RG 165......Records of the War Department General and Special Staffs,
Washington National Records Center
RG 208......Office of War Information Records, Washington National
Records Center
RG 226......Office of Strategic Services Records
RG 238......War Crimes
EC Series
NG........Microfilm T-1139
NI........Microfilm T-301
NO Series
NOKW Series
PS Series
RG 242......NA Record Group 242 - Captured German Records
RG 319......Records of the Army Staff
T...........NA Microfilm Series
If you note any that are not explained above, please let me know,
and I will try to run them down for you.
6.3 Glossary
Ahnenerbe: [Ancestral Heritage], The Institute for the Scientific
Study of Ends and Purposes, located in Berlin.
(http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/e/eichmann.adolf/eichmann.006)
Einsatzgruppe: Battalion-sized, mobile, armed unit of police
Einsatzgruppen: Battalion-sized, mobile, armed units of police,
primarily Security Police and SD officials, which were used
to attack and execute perceived enemies in conquered territories.
(Brietman, 311)
Einsatzkommando: Company-sized component of the Einsatzgruppen
(Ibid., 311)
Gauleiter: Supreme territorial or regional party authority(-ies)
(The term is both singular and plural). The Nazi Party divided
Germany and some annexed territories into geographical units
called Gaue, headed by a Gauleiter. (Ibid., 311)
General Government: The Nazi-ruled state in central and eastern
Poland. Headed by Governor Hans Frank. (Ibid., 311)
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Final Solution: Euphemism for the extermination of European Jewry
SD (Sicherheitsdienst): The SS Security Service
Selektionen: (Selection) The process by which newly-arrived prisoners
were divided into those capable of work, and those deemed unfit
for work, i.e. those to be exterminated immediately.
Sonderkommandos: Division of Einsatzgruppen, generally smaller than
Einsatzkommando, but also a more general term for special
commando units assigned particular functions. (Ibid., 311)
Military rank - here's a list from Breitman (314) which lists SS
ranks and the Western military equivalent:
Oberstgruppenfu"hrer General
Obergruppenfu"hrer Lieutenant General
Gruppenfu"hrer Major General
Brigadefu"hrer Brigadier General
Oberfu"hrer between Brigadier & Colonel
Standartenfu"hrer Colonel
Obersturmbannfu"hrer Lieutenant Colonel
Sturmbannfu"hrer Major
Hauptsturmfu"hrer Captain
Obersturmfu"hrer First Lieutenant
Unterscharfu"hrer Corporal
Rottenfu"hrer Private, First Class
Sturmann Private
SS-Mann no equivalent
6.4 Works Cited
Borkin, Joseph. The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben. New York:
The Free Press, 1978, and London: Macmillan Publishing Company.
Breitman, Richard. The Architect of Genocide: Himmler and the Final
Solution. New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1991.
Bubenickova, Ruzena. Tabory utrpeni a smrti. (Camps of Martyrdom and
Death) Prague: Svoboda, 1969
Conot, Robert E. Justice at Nuremberg.
New York: Harper and Row, 1983. ISBN 0-06-015117-X
Encyclopedia - See Gutman
Feig, Konnilyn G. Hitler's Death Camps. LOC D810.J4 F36, 1981
Fenelon, Fania, with Marcelle Routier. Playing For Time.
New York:Athenium, 1977. ISBN 0-689-10796-X
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Fleming, Gerald. Hitler and the Final Solution. Berkeley, 1984
Foner, Samuel P. "Major Historical Fact Uncovered" SPOTLIGHT
Vol. XIX, Number 2, January 11, 1993)
Gilbert, Martin. The Holocaust, Maps and Photographs.
New York: Mayflower Books, 1978.
Gutman, Israel, ed. in Chief, et al. Encyclopedia of the
Holocaust. New York: Macmillan Publishing Co., 1990. ISBN 0-02-
896090-4 (set) (Referenced in this FAQ as "Encyclopedia")
Hoess, Rudolf. Commandant of Auschwitz: Autobiography of Rudolf Hoess.
(As quoted in Sachar)
Hilberg, Raul. Commandant of Auschwitz (London: Weidenfeld and
Nicholson, 1959)
Hilberg, Raul. The Destruction of the European Jews. Holmes & Meier,
1985. See 967-976.
IFZ. The Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe, Munich, as quoted in their
letter to Dr. Keren, March, 1992
Kenrick, Donald, and Grattan Puxon. Destiny of Europe's Gypsies.
New York: Basic Books, 1972, as cited in Laska
Klarsfield, Serge. The Holocaust and Neo-Nazi Mythomania, as quoted
in Feig.
Klee, Ernst, Willi Dressen, and Volker Riess, eds.
`The Good Old Days' -- The Holocaust as Seen by Its Perpetrators and
Bystanders. Forward by H. Trevor-Roper. The Free Press, A division of
Macmillan, Inc, 1988, ISBN 0-02-917425-2
Langbein. Der Auschwitz Prozess. Vol. I, as quoted in Pressac.
Laska, Vera, ed. Women in the Resistance and in the Holocaust: The
Voices of Eyewitnesses. London: Greenwood Press, 1983. LOC 82-12018,
ISBN 0-313-23457-4
Lengyel, Olga. Five Chimneys. Chicago: Ziff-Davis, 1947, as cited in
Hilberg.
Lukas, Richard C. "The Polish Experience during the Holocaust" in
Michael Berenbaum, ed. A Mosaic of Victims: Non-Jews Persecuted and
Murdered by the Nazis (New York : New York University Press, 1990)
Mu"ller, Filip. "Eyewitness Auschwitz: Three Years in the Gas
Chambers", as cited by both Feig and Hilberg. Museum w Oswiecimu.
"KL Auschwitz seen by the SS Hoess, Broad, Kremer," 2nd. ed., 1978
Naumann,. Auschwitz.
Nurowski, Roman. 1939-1945: War Losses in Poland (Poznan, 1960),
as cited in Lukas.
Poliakov, Leon. Harvest of Hate: The Nazi Program for the
Destruction of the Jews of Europe. Syracuse University Press.,
1956.
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Pressac, J. C. Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers.
New York: Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, 1989
Rogers, Perry M., ed. Aspects of Western Civilization
Sachar, Abram L. The Redemption of the Unwanted. New York:
St. Martin's/Marek, 1983.
Snyder, Dr. Louis L. Encyclopedia of the Third Reich. (New York: Paragon
House, 1989.)
Steinfels, Peter. "Auschwitz Revisionism: An Israeli Scholar's Case,"
New York Times, 12 Nov. 1989
von Lang, Jochen, in collaboration with Claus Sibyll. Eichmann
Interrogated: Transcripts from the Archives of the Israeli Police.
Translated from the German by Ralph Manheim. New York: Farrar, Straus
& Giroux, 1983
Wiesel, Elie. Night. (New York, 1969), as cited in Hilberg.
Yoors, Jan. A Journal of Survival and Resistance in World War II.
New York: Simon & Schuster, 1971, as cited in Laska
Omri Schwarz
>
> This post is rather long. One can find most relevant source material at
> http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/
>
> > Hydrogen cyanide is marginally usefull for
> > infumigating buildings.
>
> More than marginal, it is ideal. The following is from the Leuchter report.
> Instead of character assasination which I'm sure you will do, please
> analyse the info. scientifically.
Ideal, according to the manufacturer. :-)
(Other pesticides are far more usefull.)
The stuff takes too long to take effect on arthropods.
It's far more usefull on humans. But, you appear not to
understand what cytochrome C is, so you won't understand.
Mr. McVay
> 29. Why did they use this instead of a gas
> more suitable for mass extermination?
Because it kills human beings very quickly.
That is why it was also used at San Quentin.
> Theoretically the Germans could have chosen between N2, CO2, CO, COCl2
> (phosgene), Cl2,
> HCN, Tabun, Sarin, Diesel engine exhausts, gasoline engine exhausts,
> producer gas, coke gas,
> process gas and others.
Well, now, if you will go to Nizkor, you will find the answers you seek
about this
issue.
jon link
are a large number of pictures, and testimony of prisoners in concentration
camps, along with thousands and thousands of soldiers who witnessed the
horrors. If you get off you fat ass and find a library you'd find this stuff
out. What is it with you people? Is there some genetic defect? I think you
might have an extra chromosome. Seriously, this is a place for people with an
IQ don't come here, or even in the public again, there is no room for you in
society, Im a very understanding person but I cant find any for you when you
don't find any for people who were put through a horrible thing like the
holocaust. If you believe in God he is gonna send you to hell, cause god was
about love and you my friend are all about hate. Don't bother responding I
don't want to be made aware of your existence ever again.
Have a nice trip to
Hell
Love
Jon
Gideon Ehrlich
: Yup! Any Christian worth his salt will take the same attitude toward Jews
: (Pharisees) that Christ did. Who is an ANTICHRIST, but he that denies Jesus
: Christ?
: Regards,
: Stryker
Sending the a bove garbage to the Jewish forum ( among other forums) is an
immoral brhavioure.
The major task of a messaya is to educate persons to become moral.
The very postage of Stryker proves that not all people are moral and
hence that Messaya did not came so far. No person , so far, was a messaya.
In particular Stryker proved by his behavioure that jesus was not a messaya.
Bye g.e
Royce Buehler
In article <01be8860$18810860$61ef02cf@peter>, "Stryker" <Stryker_OLOT@hotmail.c
om> writes:
[I wrote]
> > There is no prejudiced stereotype of "the Jew" in the New Testament;
> > on the contrary, all sorts of types and conditions of Jews are
> represented
> > there; nearly all the major characters are Jewish; and these include
> > Jesus, his Jewish mother, and all of the Apostles.
>
> All the major characters were JUDEANS, which is the proper translation
> where the word 'Jew' has only recently (early 1800's) been placed.
Balderdash. The word Jew has been the term used in all English translations
from Wycliffe on. And properly so, because that's what the Greek Iudaios
means. You have been reading propaganda from the Identity cult, and you
have swallowed it whole. It happens to be lies.
> Neither Jesus nor his disciples practiced what is
> known as the modern TALMUD based religion of Judaism, formed in Babylon
> (Mystery Babylon... get it?).
More antisemitic crap straight from the Identity Nazis. What the Pharisees
of Jesus' time regarded as the oral law was the Mishna. This later formed
the core of both versions of Talmud, but the religion of the Pharisees
in Jesus' time had nothing to do with Babylon.
> Please study the following passages:
>
> Matthew 15:
> 1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem,
> saying,
> 2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they
> wash not their hands when they eat bread.
> 3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the
> commandment of God by your tradition?
>
> Here Jesus says that they 'transgress the commandment of God' by their
> 'traditions' (meaning Traditions of the Elders...the roots of modern
> Judaism, later written in the TALMUD).
It is interesting to note that the tractate of the Mishnah which governed
handwashing was among the few which were not developed any further by
the Talmud. Looks like Jesus won that battle, even within Judaism.
> 4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that
> curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
> 5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a
> gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
> 6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye
> made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
This tradition to which Jesus objected so strongly has not, so far as
I have been able to discover, been retained even in the Mishnah. Score
another win for Jesus, even within Judaism.
> The 'Jewish' faith of denies Christ, do they not? The Bible
> clearly defines that antichrists are those who deny Christ:
>
> "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus
> Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist." I John
> 1:7
Again, you copy chapter and verse out of the hate literature of the
Identity cult - while you ignore scripture itself. You have miscopied.
I John 1:7 is unrelated to your quote.
John was referring to early Gnostics; to people who claimed to be Christian,
but who asserted that Jesus did not really take on a human body. Their
heresy was not to deny that Jesus is the Christ, but to deny that he
"came in the flesh".
The antichrists of whom John speaks were obviously not Jews; John declares
that they "went out from among us" (I John 2:19). They were nominal
Christians, who separated themselves from the brethren to teach heresy.
> Do the Jews (practitioners of Judaism) confess that Jesus Christ is the Son
> of God?
No, they don't.
> Should we love the enemies of Christ?
They are enemies of the gospel, not of Christ. Saint Paul clearly addresses
exactly this question in Romans 11:28-29: "As concerning the gospel, they
are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are
beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are
without repentance." God continues to love them dearly for the sake of
their fathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
You ignore and spit on this scripture at your own soul's peril, SStryker.
You have chosen to adopt a gospel of hate and a doctrine of demons.
The scripture stands, and it thwarts at every turn the lies you have
embraced. You would do well to embrace the God of Abraham, Isaac and
Jacob instead.
> Psalm 139:20-24 is pretty clear on the attitude we are to take regarding
> the enemies of God (Christ).
> 20 For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in
> vain.
> 21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with
> those that rise up against thee?
> 22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
> 23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
> 24 And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way
> everlasting.
>
> David counts them HIS enemies...
And that is precisely the "wicked way" which lodges in David's heart,
unknown to him. Jesus' command to love our enemies had yet to be spelled
out. David, wisely, understood that God still needed to search him for
unknown sin. Today, we can understand what his unknown sin was.
Sure, we are to love OUR neighbor, OUR
> enemy...WITHIN the Kingdom and fellowship of Christ. But we are NEVER to
> give aid or solace to the enemies of Christ.
We aren't to aid the wicked in their wicked enterprises. (And that is
why I have to oppose and expose your lies here.) But we are to give aid
to any who are hungry, shelterless, imprisoned; not just to other
Christians. We are to comfort those that mourn; not just those we judge
worthy of comfort.
Christ's whole teaching mission was to expand the domain of love. Your
whole teaching mission is to expand the domain of hate.
Jesus commanded, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself". You make
the command of God of none effect, by your Nazi-inspired tradition.
All the woes Jesus called down on the heads of those blind guides in
Matthew 15, you are drawing down onto your own head.
> II Chronicles 19:2 states we are not to love them that hate the Lord:
> And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king
> Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the
> LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.
Precisely as I said above; Jehoshaphat was not to make a military alliance
with him, aiding him in his wickedness. This is not a command to hate;
and it does not overrule the constant command of our Lord and of his
apostles to love. Much as you personally are revolted by God's command.
> We know what Christ's attitude toward the religion of Judaism was.
We know that he taught regularly in their synagogues; we know that he
went up on many occasions to Jerusalem to observe their high holy days;
we know that he told the Samaritan woman at the well that "Salvation is
from the Jews." And we know that he affirmed that the Pharisees "sit
in Moses' seat". So yes, we know that Christ approved and followed the
religion of Judaism (while objecting to hypocrisy and to superfluous
traditions.)
> Why should our attitude be any different? Are we not to follow the example
> of Christ?
We are indeed. And His example is one of respect for Judaism, and sharp
criticism for hypocrites among the leadership in His own religious
tradition.
> We are to love our Christian neighbor no matter how he may offend us. We
> are to forgive him seventy times seven, but to aid and abet the enemies of
> Christ is heresy to the worst degree.
You are adding to scripture. It does not say "Love your Christian
neighbor as yourself." It says, "Love your neighbor as yourself." You
have added a word, in order to justify your own bowing down to an
idol of racial supremacy, division, hatred, and persecution. It won't
work. Scripture needs no additions, and certainly it needs no additions
from devotees of the Hitler cult like yourself.
> "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not
> into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God
> speed is partaker of his evil deeds." II John 1:10-11
>
> The Bible says that we are not even to bid the proponents of false
> doctrines God speed, or admit them into our house, lest we be a partaker of
> their evil deeds. Do the Jews preach a false doctrine?
Jews are not coming to us attempting to convert us to their doctrine.
"If there come any unto you" does not apply. They are minding their
own business.
> > Leaders among the Pharisees were prominent among Christ's followers.
> > Nicodemus was such a leader; so was Joseph of Arimathea; so was Jairus,
> > whose faith was so great that Jesus raised his daughter from the dead.
> > Paul was a Pharisee, trained under Gamaliel, and remained proud of the
> fact
> > throughout his career.
>
> Paul remained proud of the fact that he persecuted and murdered Christians
> throughout his early career???? Chapter and verse please!
He remained proud that he was a Pharisee. He continued to regard himself
as a Pharisee. (Acts 23:6, since I see you snipped the reference.)
Jews today, as you point out, are in the same line of tradition as the
Pharisees. They do not persecute and murder Christians. That is not an
essential feature of Pharisaism. If it had been, Paul would not have
continued to call himself a Pharisee. (Acts 23:6) And he would not have
characterized Gamaliel's teaching as "taught according to the perfect
manner of the law of the fathers" (Acts 22:3).
> > of the Christian congregation in Jerusalem were Jews "zealous of the
> law",
> > presumably Pharisees. (Acts 21:20)
>
> I consider myself 'zealous of the law'. I am hardly a Pharisee.
"Zeal" is the word used repeatedly by Paul to characterize the Pharisee
establishment, both the good and the bad. (Acts 22:3 again, and Romans
10:2). Josephus establishes that there were three main subgroups within
Judaism (Pharisees, Sadducees, and Essenes), and that of these it was
the Pharisees who concentrated most intensely on the Law. Therefore,
when we hear in the New Testament of a large group of "Jews zealous of
the law", it is extremely probable that they thought of themselves, just
as Paul did, as Pharisees.
> > Any Christian worth his salt will actually study the Bible, rather
> > than running around badmouthing God's chosen people.
>
> Seems you are the one with alot of studying to do sir. As for your 'God's
> Chosen People' tripe, those who are CHRIST'S are His Chosen, not by blood,
> but by Christ.
Those who are Christ's are His chosen individuals. The Jews remain His
chosen nation.
> And you should know that since Jewish history is full of periods of
> admixture, conversions, etc. there are no pure Hebrews left.
Ah, racial purity. One of the biggest hangups of you white supremacist
goons. It is not a big hangup with God. There are no "pure" anythings
in the world, and there haven't been within historical memory. Blood
purity is a Nazi idea, not a Christian one or a Jewish one.
A convert to Judaism becomes an Israelite, as fully so as Joseph and his
brothers. That is what the laws concerning conversion, given out at
Sinai, affirm. That is what orthodox Judaism also affirms. He assumes
the same legal position as any other child of Jacob. He thereby also comes
under the protection of God's love for the fathers. If, as is the case
with most converts, he intermarries with pre-existing Jews, his children
are also their children. I don't have to be a "pure" Buehler, with nothing
but Buehlers in my ancestry, in order to legitimately claim Buehler
ancestry. I only have to have one authentic Buehler in the line somewhere.
> After
> all, Judaism is a culture based on a degenerate anti-Christ religion. That
> you cannot deny.
I certainly can deny it. Judaism is a culture based on a pre-Christian
religion, which as far as it went was received from the hand of God.
>From the Christian point of view, it is incomplete, not false. Paul wrote,
"unto them were committed the oracles of God" (Romans 3:2); and similarly,
"to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the
giving of the Law, and the service of God, whose are the fathers, and of whom
concerning the flesh Christ came." Pretty high praise for a "degenerate
anti-Christ religion", wasn't it?
> And even so, can you prove that the Jews are pure Hebrews
> racially?
What's purity got to do with it? If his grandmother descended from Jacob,
then so does he, whether his grandfather was Moshe Dayan or Adolf
Schickelgruber himself.
> I'm afraid your 'theology' is lacking.
Your "theology", like any theology which ignores the God of the Bible
to make a deity out of hate, which carefully memorizes every bible verse
that can be twisted to defend its own desire to indulge in hate, and which
carefully adds weasel words to the plain scriptures so as to wriggle out
from under the command to love, dwells several sub-basements below "lacking".
--
Royce Buehler bue...@space.mit.edu
"Comme un fou se croit Dieu, nous nous croyons mortels"
-- Pierre Delalande
Susan Cohen
to the one point with which I have to quibble)
Royce Buehler wrote:
> A convert to Judaism becomes an Israelite, as fully so as Joseph and his
> brothers. That is what the laws concerning conversion, given out at
> Sinai, affirm. That is what orthodox Judaism also affirms. He assumes
> the same legal position as any other child of Jacob. He thereby also comes
> under the protection of God's love for the fathers. If, as is the case
> with most converts, he intermarries with pre-existing Jews, his children
> are also their children. I don't have to be a "pure" Buehler, with nothing
> but Buehlers in my ancestry, in order to legitimately claim Buehler
> ancestry. I only have to have one authentic Buehler in the line somewhere.
Actually, within Judaism, a convert could marry another convert,
or - if a woman - could even have children by a non-Jewish man
who might not even be her husband, & the children would still be
considered 100% Jewish (except, of course, for Reform Jews,
who require an active commitment to Judaism into the bargain -
though most converts & their children maintain this!). One does not
have to have any "blood" Jews anywhere in one's ancestry.
Susan
scorc...@my-dejanews.com
A revisionist never uses quotes from the US servicemen who liberated the
camps-and witnessed the evidence of the holocaust.
But, the Holocaust revisionist sites can be quite entertaining. One site
refers to Jews "digitally altering" photographs during and after the war to
"propogate the myth of the holocaust". We should get that "digital" equipment
for the Smithsonian!
The revisionists next focus will be to "prove" that the Oklahoma City bombing
was also faked (by the BAD U.S. government or whoever else they decide to
blame the failure of their lives on that day).
Scorch
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<bue...@space.mitnos.pamedu> wrote:
Why do you waste your time answering such a blatant antisemite? The
best answer to this kind of manure is silence.
Royce Buehler
Habit, I guess. A few years back, a long series of adherents of
"Identity Christianity" invaded various Christian and fundamentalist
newsgroups for a period of over a year, proselytizing hard.
Their pitch was very carefully calculated to strike a sympathetic chord
with fundamentalists: replete with biblical quotations and expressions
of solidarity over hot button issues like homosexuality and abortion.
Like Hitler before them, they were sly publicists. They tended to disguise
their hatred under a smooth surface; and naive Christians, unschooled in
recognizing antisemitic cliches, might well have become sucked in.
Their goal was not to win public debate, but to secure email connection
to potential converts. It was therefore important to provide information
to those they marked for intensive private propaganda, and this public
space is the only place to do it in. For the historic revisionism, I
could just refer people to the facts on the Nizkor site. But there don't
seem to be comparable resources which counter the neo-Nazis' religious
distortions.
So I began taking them on. They've mainly faded from the Christian
newsgroup scene, but now and then a straggler like SStryker will turn
up.
It can be wearisome work, and it can leave you feeling the need for
a very long shower. The one good thing about it is, that their long
screeds about The Awful Perversions In The Heathen Talmud gave me an
excuse to browse the Talmud (in translation of course) for a few dozen
hours, and pick up a little of its actual flavor.
Royce Buehler
In article <01be8a07$4da1b500$d8ef02cf@peter>, "Stryker" <Stryke...@hotmail.com> writes:
> Scholars Challenge Holocaust Story
>
> Astonishing as it may seem, more and more historians and engineers have
> been challenging the
> widely accepted Auschwitz story.
What is less astonishing is that none of them teach at accredited
universities, or publish in peer reviewed literature. And if you stick
around to hear them talk about Jews in general, you will find that, to a man,
they think Jews are scum.
In other words, they aren't really "scholars" in any acceptable sense
of the term, and they arrive at their conclusions by following their
prejudices, not by following the facts.
> About the Author:
> Mark Weber is editor of The Journal of Historical Review, published six
> times yearly by the Institute
> for Historical Review.
That is to say, he edits a journal whose sole purpose is to spread
propaganda denying the Holocaust. If he were actually interested in
history in general, or if he were capable of writing an article which
could survive peer review in a real history journal, that might mean
something.
He isn't, and he isn't. His other journalistic endeavors have included
acting as news editor for the National Vanguard, an openly neo-Nazi
magazine.
> He studied history at the University of Illinois
> (Chicago), the University of
> Munich, Portland State University, and Indiana University (M.A., 1977)
He plunked down his money, got his gentleman's C, and landed a degree.
We're supposed to be impressed?
Alan Sindler
> Those who lived around the camps, as well as survivors and servicemen who
> did not see evidence of these 'gas chambers' are discredited, suppressed,
> and branded 'nazis' simply because of this testimony. Others are prosecuted
> for 'thought' crimes. I've seen such serviceman, etc. accounts as you
> describe. I am willing to look for them and present them to you if you can
> honestly 'look me in the eye' and tell me that that would make a difference
> to your view.
There were literally thousands upon thousands of witnesses, survivors, and
documents testifying to the same thing. To trot out of few Nazi apologists to
try to refute the obvious will only fool those who are too young to remember
what happened.
It's a shame that people are too intellectually lazy to actually look things
up anymore, thank goodness we have evidence that is irrefutable and therefore
undeniable. My "view", BTW, is based on the above mentioned, but particularly
the stories of the survivors themselves, who are much more worthy of trust
than the German apologists who are still in denial.
<snip>
> The photos to me show a tragic series of piles of emaciated, starving,
> diseased bodies. NONE show evidence of the blue tint which would have been
> a product of gassing with H. Cyanide. If one is to gas folks, why starve
> them too??
What you should have asked is: Who needs to feed people if they are going to
gas them anyway? That's what happened. Period.
> Regards,
> Stryker
Regards,
Stryker
> camps-and witnessed the evidence of the holocaust.
Those who lived around the camps, as well as survivors and servicemen who
did not see evidence of these 'gas chambers' are discredited, suppressed,
and branded 'nazis' simply because of this testimony. Others are prosecuted
for 'thought' crimes. I've seen such serviceman, etc. accounts as you
describe. I am willing to look for them and present them to you if you can
honestly 'look me in the eye' and tell me that that would make a difference
to your view.
Someone else brought up the point that no professors questioned the
holocaust, but neglected to mention Arthur Butz, professor at Northwestern
and author of the "Hoaz of the 20th Century." Guys like this are truly
risking their jobs and livlihood, so of course most would remain silent if
they disagree.
David Irving 'was' a legit historian with many books in many libraries
until his defection from the cause of the 'Chosen'. But then these guys are
'nazi sympathizers' too right?? If Mother Theresa suddenly came back to
life and 'questioned' the official version of the 'six million' then the
Establishment would find some way to discredit and vilify her too!
Say it ain't so, but you know it is!!!
> But, the Holocaust revisionist sites can be quite entertaining. One site
> refers to Jews "digitally altering" photographs during and after the war
to
> "propogate the myth of the holocaust". We should get that "digital"
equipment
> for the Smithsonian!
The photos to me show a tragic series of piles of emaciated, starving,
diseased bodies. NONE show evidence of the blue tint which would have been
a product of gassing with H. Cyanide. If one is to gas folks, why starve
them too??
Regards,
Stryker
Stryker
The 'Liberation of the Camps':
Facts vs. Lies
(Theodore O'Keefe)
Nothing has been more effective in establishing the authenticity of the
Holocaust in the minds of
Americans than the terrible scenes U.S. GIs discovered when they entered
the German
concentration camps at the close of World War II.
At Dachau, Buchenwald, Dora, Mauthausen, and other work and detention
camps, horrified
American infantrymen encountered heaps of dead and dying inmates, emaciated
and diseased.
Survivors told them hair-raising stories of torture and slaughter, and
backed up their claims by
showing the GI's crematory ovens, alleged gas chambers, supposed implements
of torture, even
shrunken heads and lampshades, gloves, and handbags purportedly made from
skin flayed from
dead inmates.
U.S. government authorities, mindful that most Americans, who remembered
the atrocity stories fed
them during World War I, still doubted the Allied propaganda directed
against the Hitler regime,
resolved to "document" what the GI's had found in the camps. Prominent
newsmen and politicians
were flown in to see the harrowing evidence, while the U.S. Army Signal
Corps filmed and
photographed the scenes for posterity. The famous journalist Edward R.
Murrow reported, in tones
of horror, but no longer of disbelief, what he had been told and shown, and
Dachau and
Buchenwald were branded on the hearts and minds of the American populace as
names of infamy
unmatched in the sad and bloody history of this planet.
For Americans, what was "discovered" at the camps -- the dead and the
diseased, the terrible
stories of the inmates, all the props of torture and terror -- became the
basis not simply of a
transitory propaganda campaign but of the conviction that yes, it was true:
the Germans did
exterminate six million Jews, most of them in lethal gas chambers. What the
GI's found was used, by
way of films which were mandatory viewing for the vanquished populace of
Germany, to
"re-educate" the German people by destroying their national pride and their
will to a united,
independent national state, imposing in their place overwhelming feelings
of collective guilt and
political impotence. And when the testimony, and the verdict, at Nuremberg
incorporated most, if
not all, of the horror stories Americans were told about Dachau,
Buchenwald, and other places
captured by the U.S. Army, the Holocaust could pass for one of the most
documented, one of the
most authenticated, one of the most proven historical episodes in the human
record.
A different reality
But it is known today that, very soon after the liberation of the camps,
American authorities were
aware that the real story of the camps was quite different from the one in
which they were coaching
military public information officers, government spokesmen, politicians,
journalists, and other
mouthpieces.
When American and British forces overran western and central Germany in the
spring of 1945, they
were followed by troops charged with discovering and securing any evidence
of German war
crimes. Among them was Dr. Charles Larson, one of America's leading
forensic pathologists, who
was assigned to the Judge Advocate General's Department. Dr. Larson
performed autopsies at
Dachau and some twenty other German camps, examining on some days more than
100 corpses.
After his grim work at Dachau, he was questioned for three days by U.S.
Army prosecutors. (note
1)
Dr. Larson's findings? According to an interview he gave to an American
journalist in 1980, "What
we've heard is that six million Jews were exterminated. Part of that is a
hoax." (note 2) And what
part was the hoax? Dr. Larson, who told his biographer that to his
knowledge he "was the only
forensic pathologist on duty in the entire European Theater," (note 3)
informed Wichita Eagle
reporter Jan Floerchinger that "never was a case of poison gas uncovered."
(note 4) Neither Dr.
Larson nor any other forensic specialist has ever been cited by any
Holocaust historian to
substantiate a single case of death by poison gas, whether Zyklon-B or any
other variety.
Typhus, not poison gas
If not by gassing, how did the unfortunate victims at Dachau, Buchenwald,
and Bergen-Belsen
perish? Were they tortured to death? Deliberately starved? The answers to
these questions are
known as well. As Dr. Larson and other Allied medical men discovered, the
chief cause of death at
Dachau, Belsen, and the other camps was disease, above all typhus, an old
and terrible scourge of
mankind which until recently flourished in places where populations were
crowded together in
circumstances where public health measures were unknown or had broken down.
Such was the
case in the overcrowded internment camps in Germany at war's end, where,
despite such measures
as systematic delousing, quarantine of the sick, and cremation of the dead,
the virtual collapse of
Germany's food, transport, and public health systems led to catastrophe.
Perhaps the most authoritative statement of the facts as to typhus and
mortality in the camps has
been made by Dr. John E. Gordon, M.D., Ph.D., a professor of preventive
medicine and
epidemiology at the Harvard University School of Public Health, who was
with U.S. forces in
Germany in 1945. Dr. Gordon reported in 1948 that "The outbreaks in
concentration camps and
prisons made up the great bulk of typhus infection encountered in Germany."
Dr. Gordon
summarized the causes for the outbreaks as follows:
Germany was in chaos. The destruction of whole cities and the path
left by advancing
armies produced a disruption of living conditions contributing to the
spread of the
disease. Sanitation was low grade, public utilities were seriously
disrupted, food supply
and food distribution was poor, housing was inadequate and order and
discipline were
everywhere lacking. Still more important, a shifting of populations
was occurring such
as few countries and few times have experienced. (note 5)
Dr. Gordon's findings are corroborated by Dr. Russell Barton, today a
psychiatrist of international
repute, who entered Bergen-Belsen with British forces as a young medical
student in 1945. Barton,
who volunteered to care for the diseased survivors, testified under sworn
oath in a Toronto
courtroom in 1985 that "Thousands of prisoners who died at the
Bergen-Belsen concentration camp
during World War II weren't deliberately starved to death but died from a
rash of diseases." (note
6) Dr. Barton further testified that on entering the camp he had credited
stories of deliberate
starvations but had decided such stories were untrue after inspecting the
well-equipped kitchens and
the meticulously maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked
and dispensed each day.
Despite noisily publicized claims and widespread popular notions to the
contrary, no researcher has
been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation
in the German camps.
No lampshades, no handbags, etc.
What of the ghoulish stories of concentration camp inmates skinned for
their tattoos, flayed to make
lampshades and handbags, or other artifacts? What of the innumerable
"torture racks,"
"meathooks," whipping posts, gallows, and other tools of torment and death
that are reported to
have abounded at every German camp? These allegations, and even more
grotesque ones
profferred by Soviet prosecutors, found their way into the record at
Nuremberg.
The lampshade and tattooed-skin charges were made against Ilse Koch, dubbed
by journalists the
"Bitch of Buchenwald," who was reported to have furnished her house with
objects manufactured
from the tanned hides of luckless inmates. But General Lucius Clay,
military governor of the U.S.
zone of occupied Germany, who reviewed her case in 1948, told his superiors
in Washington:
"There is no convincing evidence that she [Ilse Koch] selected inmates for
extermination in order to
secure tattooed skins or that she possessed any articles made of human
skin." (note 7) In an
interview General Clay gave years later, he stated about the material for
the infamous lampshades:
"Well, it turned out actually that is was goat flesh. But at the trial it
was still human flesh. It was
almost impossible for her to have gotten a fair trial." (note 8) Ilse Koch
hanged herself in a West
German jail in 1967.
It would be tedious to itemize and refute the thousands of bizarre claims
as to Nazi atrocities. That
there were instances of German cruelty, however, is clear from the
testimony of Dr. Konrad
Morgen, a legal investigator attached to the Reich Criminal Police, whose
statements on the witness
stand at Nuremberg have never been challenged by believers in the Jewish
Holocaust. Dr. Morgen
informed the court that he had been given full authority by Heinrich
Himmler, commander of Hitler's
SS and the dread Gestapo, to enter any German concentration camp and
investigate instances of
cruelty and corruption on the part of the camp staffs. According to Dr.
Morgen's sworn testimony at
Nuremberg, he investigated 800 such cases, in which over 200 convictions
resulted. (note 9)
Punishments included the death penalty for the worst offenders, including
Hermann Florstedt,
commandant of Lublin (Majdanek), and Karl Koch, Ilse's husband, commandant
of Buchenwald.
In reality, while camp commandants in certain cases did inflict physical
punishment, such acts had to
be approved by authorities in Berlin, and it was required that a camp
physician first certify the good
health of the prisoner to be disciplined, and then be on hand at the actual
beating. (note 10) After
all, the camps were throughout most of the war important centers of
industrial activity. The good
health and morale of the prisoners was critical to the German war effort,
as is evidenced by a 1942
order issued by SS-Brigadefuehrer Richard Gluecks, chief of the office
which controlled the
concentration camps, which held camp commanders "personally responsible for
exhausting every
possibility to preserve the physical strength of the detainees." (note 11)
Concentration camp survivors merely victims?
U.S. Army investigators, working at Buchenwald and other camps, quickly
ascertained what was
common knowledge among veteran inmates: that the worst offenders, the
cruelest denizens of the
camps were not the guards but the prisoners themselves. Common criminals of
the same stripe as
those who populate U.S. prisons today committed many villainies,
particularly when they held
positions of authority, and fanatical Communists, highly organized to
combat their many political
enemies among the inmates, eliminated their foes with Stalinist
ruthlessness.
Two U.S. Army investigators at Buchenwald, Egon W. Fleck and Edward A.
Tenenbaum, carefully
investigated circumstances in the camp before its liberation. In a detailed
report submitted to their
superiors, they revealed, in the words of Alfred Toombs, their commander,
who wrote a preface to
the report, "how the prisoners themselves organized a deadly terror within
the Nazi terror." (note
12)
Fleck and Tenenbaum described the power exercised by criminals and
Communists as follows:
. . . The trusties, who in time became almost exclusively Communist
Germans, had the
power of life and death over all other inmates. They could sentence a
man or a group
to almost certain death . . . The Communist trusties were directly
responsible for a
large part of the brutalities at Buchenwald.
Colonel Donald B. Robinson, chief historian of the American military
government in Germany,
summarized the Fleck-Tenenbaum report in an article which appeared in The
American Mercury
shortly after the war. Colonel Robinson wrote succinctly of the American
investigators' findings: "It
appeared that the prisoners who agreed with the Communists ate; those who
didn't starved to
death." (note 13)
Additional corroboration of inmate brutality has been provided by Ellis E.
Spackman, who, as Chief
of Counter-Intelligence Arrests and Detentions for the Seventh U.S. Army,
was involved in the
liberation of Dachau. Spackman, later a professor of history at San
Bernardino Valley College in
California, wrote in 1966 that at Dachau "the prisoners were the actual
instruments that inflicted the
barbarities on their fellow prisoners." (note 14)
'Gas chambers'
On December 9, 1944 Col. Paul Kirk and Lt. Col. Edward J. Gully inspected
the German
concentration camp at Natzweiler in Alsace. They reported their findings to
their superiors at the
headquarters of the U.S. 6th Army Group, which subsequently forwarded Kirk
and Gully's report
to the War Crimes Division. While, significantly, the full text of their
report has never been
published, it has been revealed, by an author supportive of Holocaust
claims, that the two
investigators were careful to characterize equipment exhibited to them by
French informants as a
"so-called lethal gas chamber," and claim it was "allegedly used as a
lethal gas chamber". (note 15)
Both the careful phraseology of the Natzweiler report, and its effective
suppression, stand in stark
contrast to the credulity, the confusion, and the blaring publicity which
accompanied official reports
of alleged gas chambers at Dachau. At first, a U.S. Army photo depicting a
GI gazing mournfully at
a steel door marked with a skull and crossbones and the German words for:
"Caution! Gas! Mortal
danger! Don't open!" was identified as showing the murder weapon. Later,
however, it was
evidently decided that the apparatus in question was merely a standard
delousing chamber for
clothing, and another alleged gas chamber, this one cunningly disguised as
a shower room, was
exhibited to American congressmen and journalists as the site where
thousands breathed their last.
While there exist numerous reports in the press as to the operation of this
second "gas chamber," no
official report by trained Army investigators has yet surfaced to reconcile
such problems as the
function of the shower heads: Were they "dummies," or did lethal cyanide
gas stream through them?
(Each theory has appreciable support in journalistic and historiographical
literature.)
As with Dachau, so with Buchenwald, Bergen-Belsen, and the other camps
captured by the Allies.
There was no end of propaganda about "gas chambers," "gas ovens," and the
like, but so far not a
single detailed description of the murder weapon and its function, not a
single report of the kind that
is mandatory for the successful prosecution of any assault or murder case
in America at that time
and today, has come to light.
Furthermore, a number of Holocaust authorities have now publicly decreed
that there were no
gassings, no extermination camps in Germany after all! All these things, we
are told, were located in
what is now Poland, in areas captured by the Soviet Red Army and off-limits
to Western
investigators. In 1960 Dr. Martin Broszat, who is now director of the
Munich-based Institute for
Contemporary History, which is funded by the West German government to
support the Holocaust
story, wrote a letter to the German weekly Die Zeit in which he stated
categorically: "Neither in
Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in Buchenwald were Jews or other prisoners
gassed." (note 16)
Professional Nazi-hunter Simon Wiesenthal wrote in 1975 that "there were no
extermination camps
on German soil." (note 17) And Dachau "gas chamber" No. 2, which was once
presented to a
stunned and grieving world as a weapon which claimed hundreds of thousands
of lives, is now
described in the brochure issued to tourists at the modern Dachau "memorial
site" in these words:
"This gas chamber, camouflaged as a shower room, was not used." (note 18)
The propaganda intensifies
More than forty years after American troops entered Dachau, Buchenwald, and
the other German
camps, and trained American investigators established the facts as to what
had gone on in them, the
government in Washington, the entertainment media in Hollywood, and the
print media in New
York continue to churn out millions of words and images annually on the
horrors of the camps and
the infamy of the Holocaust. Despite the fact that, with the exception of
the defeated Confederacy,
no enemy of America has ever so suffered so complete and devastating defeat
as did Germany in
1945, the mass media and the politicians and bureaucrats behave as if
Hitler, his troops, and his
concentration camps continue to exist in an eternal present, and our
opinion makers continue to
distort, through ignorance or malice, the facts about the camps.
Time for the truth
It is time that the government and the professional historians revealed the
facts about Dachau,
Buchenwald, and the other camps. It is time that they let the American
public know how the inmates
died, and how they didn't die. It is time that the claims as to mass murder
by gassing were clarified
and investigated in the same manner as any other claims of murder are dealt
with. It is time that the
free ride certain groups have enjoyed as the result of unchallenged
Holocaust claims be terminated,
just as it is time that other groups, including Germans, eastern Europeans,
the Roman Catholic
hierarchy, and the wartime leadership of America and Britain stop being
scapegoated, either for
their alleged role in the Holocaust or their supposed failure to stop it.
Above all, it is time that the citizens of this great democratic Republic
have the facts about the
camps, facts which they possess a right to know, a right that is
fundamental to the exercise of their
authority and their will in the governance of their country. As citizens
and as taxpayers, Americans
of all ethnic backgrounds, of all faiths, have a basic right and an
overriding interest in determining the
facts of incidents which are deemed by those in positions of power to be
determinative in America's
foreign policy, in its educational policy, in its selection of past events
to be memorialized in our civic
life. The alleged facts of the Holocaust are today at issue all over the
civilized world: in Germany, in
France, in Italy, in Britain, in the Low Countries and Scandinavia, in
Japan, across our border in
Canada and in the United States of America itself. The truth will be
decided only by recourse to the
facts, in the public forum: not by concealing the facts, denying the truth,
stonewalling reality. The
truth will out, and it is time the government of this country, and
governments and international bodies
throughout the world, made public and patent the evidence of what actually
transpired in the
German concentration camps in the years 1933-1945, so that we may put paid
to the lies, without
fear or favor, and carry out the work of reconciliation and renewal that is
and must be the granite
foundation of mutual tolerance between peoples and of a peace based on
justice, rather than on
guns, barbed wire, prisons, and lies.
Conclusions
The conclusions of the early U.S. Army investigations as to the truth about
the wartime German
concentration camps have since been corroborated by all subsequent
investigators and can be
summarized:
1.The harrowing scenes of dead and dying inmates were not the result of
a German policy of
"extermination," but rather the result of epidemics of typhus and
other disease brought about
largely by the effects of Allied aerial attacks.
2.Stories of Nazi supercriminals and sadists who turned Jews and others
into handbags and
lampshades for their private profit or amusement were sick lies or
diseased fantasies; indeed,
the German authorities consistently punished corruption and cruelty on
the part of camp
commanders and guards.
3.On the other hand, the representations of the newly liberated inmates
to have been saints and
martyrs of Hitlerism were quite often very far from the truth; indeed,
most of the brutalities
inflicted on camp detainees were the work of their fellow prisoners,
in contravention of
German policy and German orders.
4.The alleged homicidal showers and gas chambers had been used either
for bathing camp
inmates or delousing their clothes; the claim that they had been used
to murder Jews or other
human beings is a contemptible fabrication. Orthodox, Establishment
historians and
professional "Natzi-hunters" have quietly dropped claims that inmates
were gassed at
Dachau, Buchenwald, and other camps in Germany. They continue,
however, to keep silent
regarding the lies about Dachau and Buchenwald, as well as to evade an
open discussion of
the evidence for homicidal gassing at Auschwitz and the other camps
captured by the
Soviets.
Notes
1.Crime Doctor, a biography of Larson by John D. McCallum, Mercer,
Washington
&Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, 1979, p. 69.
2.Wichita Eagle, April 1, 1980, p. 4C.
3.Crime Doctor, p. 46.
4.Wichita Eagle, April 1, 1980, 4G.
5.John E. Gordon, "Louse-Borne Typhus Fever in the European Theater of
Operations, U.S.
Army, 1945," in Forest Ray Moulton, Ed., Rickettsial Diseases of Man,
Am. Acad. for the
Advancement of Science, Washington D.C. 1948.
6.Toronto Star, February 8, 1985, p. A2.
7.New York Times, 24 September 1948, p. 3.
8.Interview with Lucius Clay, Official Proceeding of the George C.
Marshall Research
Foundation, cited in "Buchenwald: Legend and Reality," Mark Weber, The
Journal of
Historical Review, Vol. 7, no. 4.
9.International Military Tribunal, Vol. XVII, p. 556; IMT, Vol. XX, pp.
489, 438.
10.Cited in The Theory and Practice of Hell, Eugen Kogon, Berkley Books,
New York, pp.
108-109.
11.Nuremberg document NO-1523.
12.Buchenwald: A Preliminary Report, Egon W. Fleck and Edward A.
Tenenbaum, U.S.
Army, 12th Army Group, 24 April 1945. National Archives, Record Group
331, SHAEF,
G-5, 17.11, Jacket 10, Box 151 (8929/163-8929/180).
13."Communist Atrocities at Buchenwald," Donald B. Robinson, in American
Mercury,
October 1946.
14.San Bernardino Sun-Telegram, March 13, 1966 (cited in The Man Who
Invented
'Genocide,' James J. Martin, Institute for Historical Review, IHR,
1984, pp. 110-111.
15."Concentration Camp at Natzwiller [sic]," RG 331, Records of Allied
Operations and
Occupation, Army Headquarters WW2, SHAEF/G-5/2717, Modern Military,
National
Archives, Washington, D.C., cited in Robert H. Abzug, Inside the
Vicious Heart, Oxford
University Press, New York, 1985, p. 10, p. 181.
16.Die Zeit, Hamburg, Germany, August 26, 1960.
17.Books &Bookmen, April 1975, Vol. 7, p. 5.
18.18. Leaflet, Memorial Site Concentration Camp Dachau, The
International
Dachau-Committee, Dachau, Germany, n.d.
About the Author:
Theodore J. O'Keefe has published numerous articles on historical and
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Powerful and enigmatic, intelligent and creative, idealistic on
the one hand and materialistic on the other, the Jewish people
have always fascinated me. Few teenagers growing up in the middle
'60s, as I did, could have avoided acquiring a positive image of
Israel and the Jewish people. Because of my years of Sunday
school, my perception of the Jews was even more idealized than
most. I was 11 years old when I saw the movie classic Exodus.
It made an enduring impression on me, so much so, that for a few
months its beautiful theme song became my favorite, one that I
would often hum or sing.
I remember an episode of embarrassment when my sister and her
teenage friends stumbled upon me loudly singing the stirring
words, "This land is mine, God gave this land to me." Heroic
Israel inspired me. It was as if the Israelites of the Bible
transposed themselves to modern times to live out their Old
Testament adventures again. My image of Israel strongly
reinforced my acceptance of the idea that Gentile intolerance had
caused every historical conflict with Jews.
After I had discovered the extensive Jewish involvement with
early Communism, which I had hoped was an uncharacteristic blight
on Jewish history, I began to ask questions one dared not ask in
polite society about this interesting people and religion. I had
read about the many persecutions of the Jews throughout history,
including their great suffering now called the Holocaust (in the
mid-60s that term had not yet been appropriated by the Jews to
apply exclusively to their sufferings during the Second World War
-- holocaust merely means, as it always has, destruction of
anything by fire).
Mark Twain wrote, "Every nation hates each other, but they all
hate the Jew." Somehow I found the impertinence to ask why. In a
historical context, almost every major nation of Europe had
expelled them, some repeatedly, after renewed waves of Jewish
immigration. What was it, I wondered, about the Jewish people,
that inspired such hatred?
Normally, when we study historical conflicts between nations or
peoples, we do it dispassionately. For instance, in examining any
war from long ago, we list as objectively as possible, the
grievances and rationales of the opposing sides. When studying
the War for Southern Independence, every American school child
learns the Southern arguments for secession and the Northern
arguments for forced union. In contrast, when studying the
historical disputes between the Jewish people and others, only
the Jewish point-of-view is acceptable.
In early 1995, Congressman Newt Gingrich, Speaker of the House,
fired his newly appointed congressional librarian, Christina
Jeffrey, for having once suggested that history students, when
studying the Holocaust should also be exposed to the German point
of view. She was fired in spite of her high standing in her
profession and notwithstanding her long and cozy relations with
the powerful Jewish ADL (Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith).
The very suggestion that there could be another side to any issue
affecting Jews is decried as "anti-Semitic." In both the
entertainment and news media, the only permissible opinion is
that Jews are always innocent victims persecuted by intolerant
Christians and other "anti-Semites." Maybe they were always
innocent, and all the other peoples of the world were always
unjust, I thought. But they weren't so innocent in the Russian
Revolution. I realized I could not evaluate the issue fairly
until I had read both sides.
Looking for answers, I returned to where I had first learned my
respect for the Jews: in the Holy Bible. I went back and reread
the Old Testament, paying close attention to the relations
between Jews and non-Jews. In contrast to the universalism of the
New Testament, the Old Testament is extremely ethnocentric. It
goes to great pains to identify the Israelites as a "special
people," or a "Chosen People," and it painstakingly traces the
genealogical descent of the Children of Israel. Many
thought-provoking passages forbid the intermarriage of Jews and
other tribes. In the book of Exodus, Moses responds to Israelites
who had sexual relations with Moabite women by ordering their
execution. In Ezra, God commanded those who married
non-Israelites to cast off the wives and even the children of
such unions. Some of the bloodiest writings I had ever read
detailed the Jewish people's annihilation of its tribal enemies.
The massacres of Canaanites, Jacobites, Philistines, Egyptians,
and dozens of other peoples are gruesomely recorded in the Bible.
In today's terminology, we describe the slaughter of entire
peoples as genocide. Old Testament Jews spared neither men,
women, children or even the animals and pets of their enemies.
The following are just a few among dozens of similar passages
found in the Old Testament: "And they utterly destroyed all that
was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and
sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword... (Joshua 6:21)"
"Then Horam, king of Gezer, came to help Lachish; and Joshua
smote him and all his people, until he had left him none
remaining. And they took Eglon, and smote it with the edge of
the sword, and all the souls that were therein. (Joshua
1O:32-34)"
"And they took Hebron, and smote it with the edge of the sword,
and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof, and the souls
that were therein; he left none remaining. (Joshua 10:37)"
"For the indignation of the Lord is upon all nations, and His
fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, He
hath delivered them to the slaughter. Their slain also shall be
cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcasses,
and the mountains shall be melted in their blood. (Isaiah
34:2-3)"
"But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God gives
you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that
breathes, (Deuteronomy 20:16)"
As a Christian, I could not explain what appeared to be
celebrations of genocide. I acknowledged that God is unfathomable
and unknowable. However, I could not help but have sympathy for
those massacred, including thousands of innocent men, women, and
children. It is easy to imagine how the few who survived those
massacres felt about the "Jews." Of course, the Jews were not
unique in their pursuit of ethnic cleansing; many other early
peoples had visited genocide on their enemies.
With the coming of Jesus Christ and his advocacy of love and
kindness as recorded in the New Testament, the Old Testament
advocacy and record of genocide is little recollected by modern
churches. When by chance a modern Christian stumbles across
passages of the Old Testament condoning genocide, he dismisses
them as the sad happenings of a remote biblical era -- one now
mitigated with the New Covenant of love that Christ brought.
The Israelite record on racial integrity and supremacy is quite
clear: "Neither shall thou make marriages with them; their
daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt
thou take unto thy son. (Deuteronomy 7:2-3)"
". . . For thou art a holy people unto the Lord Thy God: the Lord
Thy God has chosen thee to a special people unto himself, above
all people that are on the face of the earth. (Deuteronomy 7:6)"
"Now therefore give not your daughters unto their sons, neither
take their daughters unto your sons, nor seek their peace or
their wealth for ever, that ye may be strong and eat of the good
of the land, and leave it for an inheritance to your children for
ever. (Ezra 9:12)"
Members of racial groups might argue about their comparative
history, or abilities, or spirituality. But to suggest that God
favors one people over all others -- even to the point of
advocating and committing genocide to make way for the "Chosen"?
Certainly, that must be the epitome of racial supremacy.
Modern Christianity deals with the ethnocentric and genocidal
parts of the Old Testament by focusing on the loving aspects of
the New Testament. One example is the way that Jesus Christ
moderated Old Testament law such as "An eye for an eye and a
tooth for a tooth," to "turn the other cheek." The Jewish
religion, however, had no comparable figure to moderate the
extreme ethnocentrism of the Old Testament. Perhaps the Jewish
teacher who offered the greatest moderation toward Gentiles was
Maimonides, considered by most Jews as the foremost figure of
European Judaism. Even Maimonides decreed that Jewish physicians
should not save the life of a Christian unless not saving him
would "cause the spread of hostility against the Jews."
The early spread of Christianity by the Apostle Paul encouraged
Christians to become more tolerant of different ethnic groups.
Paul himself was a Jewish Pharisee who converted to Christianity
and preached much of his life to Gentiles of diverse
nationalities. The Christian faith had intolerance for other
beliefs and other Gods, but not of other tribes. Evangelists of
the ancient world themselves came from assorted peoples and
preached across the known world. Of course, Christians could and
often did harbor xenophobic tendencies, but their nationalistic
or ethnocentric attitudes found their origins in their own
cultures, not in the teachings of the New Testament. The book of
Galatians makes the point quite well that the chosen people,
"neither Jew or Greek," are now those who accept the salvation of
Jesus Christ.432 Salvation is based upon acceptance of faith, not
simply on blood.
The Jewish religion had an evolution quite different from that of
early Christianity. The Jewish people and their religion were
entwined. Belief in God was necessary to preserve the tribe and
secure God's blessings as much as preserving the tribe was
important to safeguarding the religion. However, according to the
Zionist State of Israel, race is far more important than
religious belief. A prospective immigrant does not have to
practice or believe in Judaism to immigrate to Israel, in fact he
can be an outspoken atheist and Communist, he must only prove
Jewish descent. Protection of the ethnic identity of the Jewish
people became the main reason for Judaism's existence.
In the Middle East (and later throughout the world) the Jews
mingled with many peoples, and yet they preserved their heritage
and their essential customs. They are the only ethnic minority in
Western nations that has not assimilated after thousands of
years. In Babylon, they lived under slavery and then under
domination for hundreds of years and developed a code that
enabled them to survive and even prosper while living as a
minority in an alien society. When they emerged from their
Babylonian sojourn, they were stronger, more organized, and more
ethnocentric than ever before.
The Talmud: A Jewish-Supremacist Doctrine
In rejecting Jesus Christ and the love and tolerance he preached,
Judaism proceeded on its path of chauvinism. It culminated in the
pages of the Talmud, an encyclopedic exposition of Jewish law and
custom, compiled by hundreds of rabbis over the centuries. The
American Heritage Dictionary describes it as "constituting the
basis of religious authority for traditional Judaism." The Talmud
was first transcribed in Babylonian times, and the oral tradition
is many centuries older. By the sixth century AD it was put into
written form, becoming the most important religious work of the
Jewish people, the chief canon of their religion. In it they
finally codified their most chauvinistic tendencies.
Herman Wouk, the very popular Jewish writer, illustrates the
influence of the Talmud as follows: "The Talmud is to this day
the circulating heart's blood of the Jewish religion. Whatever
laws, customs, or ceremonies we observe -- whether we are
orthodox, Conservative, Reform or merely spasmodic
sentimentalists -- we follow the Talmud. It is our common law."
As a 16-year-old, during one of my visits to the Citizens Council
offices, I had found a book called The Jewish Religion: Its
Influence Today by Elizabeth Dilling. It interested me because
the large format of the book contained complete photocopied pages
from parts of the Talmud officially compiled by Jewish scholars.
I remember skipping Dilling's commentary and going right to the
translations. One of the first passages I read really surprised
me. It said, "A heathen [Gentile] who pries into the Torah [and
other Jewish Scriptures] is condemned to death, for it is
written, it is our inheritance, not theirs. (Sanhedrin 59a)"
If a 16-year-old boy reads something forbidden like that, he is
certain to read on. The passage was completely alien to
everything I had always understood about religion. Why would they
not want all men to read the holy word the same way Christians
want to "spread the good news?" Just what is in these scriptures
that would oblige the Jews to kill a Gentile that read them? Why
would public knowledge of Jewish scriptures be dangerous to Jews?
I went to the library and found some old translations of parts of
the Talmud. It was not long before I came across other, even more
amazing passages such as: "Balaam [Jesus] is raised from the dead
and being punished in boiling hot semen. Those who mock the words
of the Jewish sages and sin against Israel are boiled in hot
excrement. (57a Gittin)"
Because Christian scholars periodically obtained copies of the
Talmud, Talmudic scribes hoped to deceive them by using the name
Balaam to denote Jesus. In The Jewish Encyclopedia, under the
heading "Balaam," it says, " . . . the pseudonym 'Balaam' given
to Jesus in Sanhedrin 106b and Gittin 57a." The Talmud
repeatedly uses obscure words to denote Gentiles with an
assortment of names such as Egyptian, heathen, Cuthean, and
idolater. In the most popular English-language translation of the
Talmud, called the Soncino edition, the practice is illustrated
by the fifth footnote of the book of Sanhedrin. It reads,
"Cuthean (Samaritan) was here substituted for the original goy .
... . " Christians are sometimes referred to by the code word
"Min" or "Minim." The footnotes of the Soncino edition of the
Talmud as well as passages in the Jewish Encyclopedia blatantly
mention this deception. In other passages in the Talmud I
discovered a possible reason why some of the Talmud's writers had
forbidden Gentiles to read it. The Talmud's words are vitriolic:
* Only Jews are human. [Gentiles] are animals. (Baba Mezia 1
14a-1 14b.)
* For murder, whether of a Cuthean [Gentile] by a Cuthean, or of
an Israelite by a Cuthean, punishment is incurred; but of a
Cuthean by an Israelite, there is no death penalty. (Sanhedrin
57a)
* Even the best of the [Gentiles] should be killed. (Babylonian
Talmud)
* If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he
is not known and do the evil there. (Moed Kattan 17a.)
* Gentiles' flesh is as the flesh of asses and whose issue is
like the issue of horses.
* If a heathen [Gentile] hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed.
Hitting a Jew is hitting God. (Sanhedrin 58b.)
* If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is
no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite [Gentile] gores an ox
of an Israelite. . .the payment is to be in full. (Baba Kamma
37b.)
* If a Jew finds an object lost by a heathen [Gentile] it does
not have to be returned. (Baba Mezia 24a; Affirmned also in Baba
Kamma 113b.)
* God will not spare a Jew who marries his daughter to an old
man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article
to a Cuthean [Gentile]. . . (Sanhedrin 76a.)
* What a Jew obtains by theft from a Cuthean [Gentile] he may
keep. (Sanhedrin 57a.)
* [Gentiles] are outside the protection of the law and God has
'exposed their money to Israel.' (Baba Kamma 37b.)
* Jews may use lies ('subterfuges') to circumvent a [Gentile].
(Baba Kamma 1 13a.)
* All [Gentile] children are animals. (Yebamoth 98a.)
* [Gentiles] prefer sex with cows. (Abodah Zarah 22a-22b.)
* The vessels of [Gentiles], do they not impart a worsened
flavor to the food cooked in them? (Abodah Zarah 67b.)
It astonished me to read such unmitigated hatred from the chief
writings of the Jewish religion. It was obvious that these
quotations were all authentic, because the copies I read were
published by Jewish organizations. I could not find any rational
explanation for such writings being in the Jewish sacred books;
in fact, it became clear to me that most Americans don't know
such writings even exist.
These quotes were hard for me to believe, as they will be for
many readers. However, if anyone doubts them, an easy way to
verify the Talmud's anti-Gentile is by reading the Jewish
Encyclopedia. In its article "Gentiles," it makes very clear the
Talmud's hatred toward non-Jews. Under the subtitle
"Discrimination against Gentiles," on pages 617-621, it freely
discusses the Talmud's attitude. Here are some excerpts: ". . .
they held that only Israelites are men, . . . Gentiles they
classed not as men but as barbarians. (B.M. 108b). . . Another
reason for discrimination was the vile and vicious character of
the Gentiles. . . . "whose flesh is like the flesh of asses and
issue is like the issue of horses . . ," The Gentiles were so
strongly suspected of unnatural crimes that it was necessary to
prohibit the stabling of a cow in their stalls (Ab. Zarah ii. 1).
... ."The Torah outlawed the issue of a Gentile as that of a beast.
... . . " The almighty offered the Torah to the Gentiles nations
also, but since they refused to accept it, He withdrew his
shining legal protection from them, and transferred their
property rights to Israel . . . the presumption is that the
Gentile obtained possession by seizure, . . . The property is
considered public property, like the unclaimed land of the
Desert."
The 1907 edition of the Funk & Wagnall's Jewish Encyclopedia
mentions a quotation of Rabbi Simon Ben Yohai (a giant of
Talmudic literature) that is "often quoted by anti-Semites." The
quotation reads: "Tob shebe-goyim harog" -- "The best of the
Goyim is to be killed." It says that the rabbi's utterance is a
result of persecution, describing this anti-Gentile statement as
a result of a rabbi "whose life experiences may furnish an
explanation for his animosity." Yet the passage goes on to say,
"In the connection in which it stands, the import of this
observation is similar to that of the two others: 'The most pious
woman is addicted to sorcery'; 'The best of snakes ought to have
its head crushed.'"
The Talmudic quotations I reproduce here are by no means taken
out of context. It is true that the Talmud is compiled from many
writers and has many "commentaries" throughout. It also sometimes
actually has disputes on certain issues. However, there is no
mistaking the decidedly anti-Gentile tone that dominates it
throughout. The exhortation that "the best of Gentiles should be
killed," for instance, is found in at least three sections.
Imagine the reaction if a prominent Christian pronounced that
"the best of the Jews should be killed." Would not such a
statement be forcefully condemned? Imagine the media opprobrium
that would be heaped on the offending words and its author --
and rightfully so. Perversely, if one exposes the intolerance in
the Talmud, he is the one likely to face accusations of religious
prejudice and intolerance.
When I first sought to read the Talmud, I noticed a strange
thing. I had a hard time finding a copy. It is not sold in
bookstores, and most libraries don't have copies. Admittedly, the
Talmud is a few times the size of the Bible, but certainly, in
mass quantities, the Talmud could be printed for a nominal cost,
much like the Bible is, on thin paper and inexpensively bound
volumes. As the most holy writ of the one of the world's major
religions, the interest in it must be high. Why then, must one
usually go to synagogue or pay hundreds of dollars for an
original Soncino edition? One must ask why it is not readily
available for the public to read. The answer is probably found in
the fact that the Jewish organizations that oversee such writings
don't want them widely read, and when one reads the Talmudic
books, one can understand their fear.
As an idealistic teenager, I was totally unprepared for this
darker side of a faith that I had always respected. My impression
had been that the Jewish faith had no animosity toward Jesus
Christ. I was always told that they had much respect for Him as a
prophet or at least as a great teacher but simply did not accept
him as the Messiah. It disturbed me to have come across violently
obscene descriptions of the Savior and of Christians in the
Talmud. Among other things, Christ is described as a charlatan, a
seducer and an evil-doer. It accuses Christ of having sexual
intercourse with his donkey and it describes the Virgin Mary as a
whore.
When I first read extensive sections of the Talmud, even with the
Jewish-published translations in front of me, I did not want to
believe they were authentic. I approached a Jewish acquaintance,
Mark Cohen, and gave him a page of these quotations. He seemed
equally upset by them. By the look on his face, I knew instantly
that he was completely unfamiliar (and unsympathetic) with this
Talmudic writ. He offered to ask his rabbi about their
authenticity. The rabbi confirmed that the quotations were
genuine but claimed that those views were not currently held by
most Jews of today.
I willingly believed this, and I still do. At the same time,
however, knowing that such passages existed helped me to
understand why there has been so much anti-Jewish sentiment over
the centuries. It also offered insight into the anti-Gentile
animus that dominated Judaism. It should be noted that all rabbis
study the Talmud. How would Jews react if Christian preachers
studied Mein Kampf as part of their holy writ, but excused it by
saying that the book has no effect on their current attitudes?
Any open-minded reader who reads both Mein Kampf and the Talmud
would find the Talmud far more intolerant.
When I looked up anti-Semitism in the major encyclopedias, all of
them attempted to explain historical anti-Semitism purely as a
Christian intolerance of non-Christian Jews. Sometimes, they even
suggested that Christians persecuted Jews simply because the
Gospels blame the Jews for the crucifixion of Christ. They never
even suggested that one of the sources of anti-Semitism could
have been the hateful and ethnocentric attitudes of the Jews
themselves, as expressed and encouraged toward Gentiles in their
own religious law.
Even during the life of Jesus Christ, the forces of organized
Jewry opposed this kindhearted teacher who spoke of the power of
love and reconciliation, rather than the militant anti-Roman
measures hoped for by the Pharisees. The New Testament records
faithfully the intense Jewish terror used to suppress the early
Christian faith. In one of the Gospels' most chilling verses it
is written: "Howbeit that no man spake openly of him [Christ] for
fear of the Jews." (John 8:13)
From the early centuries of Christianity, some Gentile scholars
became fluent in Hebrew. They developed bitterness toward Jews
based on the content of the Talmudic writings. Down through the
intervening centuries, dozens of popes issued edicts and
encyclicals condemning Judaism. They expressed outrage, not
because the Jews crucified Christ, but because of the Talmud's
vicious anti-Gentile and anti-Christian passages. Following is a
potpourri of popes' views on the Jews:
* Gregory IX. Condemned the Talmud as containing "every kind of
vileness and blasphemy against Christian doctrine."
* Benedict XIII. His Bull on the Jews (1450) declared, "The
heresies, vanities and errors of the Talmud prevent the Jews from
knowing the truth."
* Innocent IV. Burned the Talmud in 1233 as a book of evil.
* John XXII. Banned the Talmud in 1322
* Julius III. Papal Bull Contra Hebreos retinentes Libros (1554)
ordered the Talmud burnt "everywhere."
* Paul IV. Bull Cum Nimis Absurdum (1555) powerfully condemned
Jewish usury and anti-Christian activities.
* Pius IV. Condemned Jewish genocidal writings.
* Pius V. Expelled all Jews from papal states. (1569)
* Gregory XIII. Said in a Papal Bull of 1581, "Moved by an
intense hatred of the members of Christ, they continue to plan
horrible crimes against the Christian religion with daily
increasing audacity."
* Clement VIII. Condemned Jewish genocidal writings.
Not only did the founders of the Catholic Church take this dim
view of the Jews, I was amazed to find that the great reformer
and founder of Protestantism, Martin Luther, shared the same
passionate opposition toward them.
As a teenager, I had a great admiration for Martin Luther, and I
was keen to find out what the founder of Protestant Christianity
had to say about Jews. A mail-order catalogue of books on the
Jewish question at the Citizen's Council office listed a
translation of a book by Martin Luther with the abrasive title
The Jews and Their Lies. The great Martin Luther was a biblical
scholar who read Hebrew. He had thoroughly researched the books
of the Talmud in their original language, and he had reacted to
them with revulsion. Going on to read compilations of Luther's
sermons and writings, I was astonished at their passionate
anti-Jewish tone: "They have been taught so much deadly hatred
against the Gentiles by their parents and Rabbis since their
earliest youth and continue to feed their hate during all the
years of their lives, and this hatred has saturated their very
blood and flesh, fills the very marrow of their bones and has
become inseparable from their whole being. (Weimar 53, pgs.
482-483)
Their Talmud and their Rabbis teach them that a murder shall not
be regarded as a sin whenever a Jew kills a Gentile, but only if
a Jew murders a brother in Israel. Neither is it a sin to break
an oath sworn to a Gentile. . .The Jews of our days still keep to
these doctrines and follow the example of their fathers, taking
every opportunity to practice their deliberately false
interpretation of the Lord's Word, their avariciousness, their
usury, their thefts, their murders, and teaching their children
to do likewise. (W. 53, 489-490-91)
Maybe mild-hearted and gentle Christians will believe I am too
rigorous and drastic against the poor, afflicted Jews, believing
that I ridicule them and treat them with such sarcasm. By my
word, I am far too weak to be able to ridicule such a Satanic
breed. (W. 32, pg. 286)
You should know that the Jews blaspheme and violate the name of
our Savior day for day. . . they are our public enemies and
incessantly blaspheme our Lord Jesus Christ, they call our
Blessed Virgin Mary a harlot and her Holy Son a bastard and to us
they give the epithet of Changelings and abortions. If they could
kill us all they would gladly do so, in fact, many murder
Christians . . . (Luther's last sermon, a few days before his
death in February 1546) (Erlanger 62, pg. 189)"
There were many tribes, nationalities and conflicting religious
sects that migrated to the great cities of the Roman Empire. Yet,
of all these groups, only the Jewish tribe elicited such
relentless hostility throughout the centuries. Only the Jewish
tribe never assimilated into the Roman population. Could their
own Talmudic practices and their disdain for non-Jews have had
something to do with the enmity they generated? It seemed logical
to me that these things contributed to anti-Jewish sentiments in
the West.
The contrasting holidays of Christianity and Judaism illustrate
the dichotomy between the two religions. Christmas and Easter
celebrate universal themes offering hope and salvation for all
mankind. Christmas officially marks the birth of the Savior and
celebrates the desire for "peace on Earth and goodwill toward
men." Easter, a more somber occasion, represents the promise of
universal salvation through the Resurrection of Christ. While
Christians celebrate universal goodwill on their holy days, Jews
celebrate historic military victories against their Gentile
enemies.
Near the time of Christmas the Jews celebrate Hanukkah, a
commemoration of their military victory in 165 BC over their
hated enemy, the Greek-descended King Antiochus IV of Syria. The
victory finds its remembrance by the miracle of the long-burning
oil lamps in their recaptured temple. As Christians enter the
Lenten Season and prepare for the celebrations of Christ's offer
of salvation, the Jews celebrate Passover, a holiday that is,
again, based on an ancient conflict between Jew and Gentile.
Passover is an unambiguous reference to the night when the spirit
of death harmlessly "passed over" Jewish homes and descended into
the homes of their hated Egyptian enemies, killing every
firstborn male from newborn to elderly in all of Egypt. It may be
shocking to put it this way, but in reality it is a celebration
of mass infanticide.
Another important Jewish holiday is the Feast of Lots, called
Purim. The Random House Dictionary of the English Language
describes it as follows, "Purim: A Jewish festival marked chiefly
by the reading of the book of Esther and eating of hamantaschen,
that is celebrated on the 14th day of Adar in commemoration of
the deliverance of the Jews in Persia from destruction by Haman."
The festival celebrates the Jewish massacre of thousands of
Persians along with their prime minister Haman and his 10 sons.
It even includes the symbolic eating of the supposed
anti-Semite's ears (Haman's ears -- hamantaschen) in the form
of three-sided cookies. Another of the favored Purim foods is
Kreplach, which is dough pockets again shaped in a triangle to
denote Haman's ears, but these snacks are filled with chopped
meat, symbolizing the beaten flesh of Haman. Another of their
Purim celebrations involves Jews beating willow branches in the
synagogues meant to represent the flogging of Haman. The
following description of these practices comes from a Jewish
culture organization called Jewish Art in Context, but is found
in numerous books about Jewish culture and religious holy days.
The second description is from a Jewish-cooking guide called "Bon
Appetit."
c. Special Delicacies
1. "Haman Taschen" (Oznei Haman = Haman's Ears).
2. "Kreplach": chopped meat covered with dough, also
triangular in shape. The name has received a popular etymology:
"Kreplach are eaten only on days on which there is both hitting
and eating: Yom Kippur eve -- the custom of Kaparot, Hoshanna
Rabba -- the beating the willow branches, Purim -- the
(symbolical) beating of Ha-man."
The reason Kreplach are eaten on Purim is interesting (if a bit
of a stretch). Kreplach is also traditional for Yom Kippur . . .
and for Hoshannah Rabah (the seventh day of Sukkot).
On these days it was traditional for there to be some sort of
beating. On Yom Kippur in ancient times, men would be flogged
before Yom Kippur and we beat the willow branches on Hoshannah
Rabah. On Purim, we beat out the name of Haman. So Kreplach
became traditional for Purim. (Phillip Goldwasser from "Bon
Appetit")
Upon learning these things, I realized that if any other group
had such ceremonies, it would be called hateful and barbaric.
Imagine if Klansmen observed a ritual in which they made and ate
cookies shaped to represent the ears of Martin Luther King and
held a holy ceremony in which they symbolically whipped him!
Purim has been celebrated annually since long before the time of
Christ and has certainly been important in the fomenting of
hatred and suspicion of Gentiles in the hearts and minds of
Jewish children. This repulsive ceremony is analogous to
Christian churches teaching our children to symbolically beat the
Jewish Pharisees who condemned Jesus and then eating foods
symbolizing the pulverized body parts of the Jewish priests. Of
course, such would be completely antithetical to the spirit of
Christianity, yet such revengeful attitudes are at the very core
of Judaism.
Zionism as Racism
After 2,000 years of conflict, the Jewish prayer "Next Year in
Jerusalem" finally became expressed in an open political movement
called Zionism. In 1862, Moses Hess, teacher to Karl Marx and the
spiritual father of both Zionism and Communism, wrote Rome and
Jerusalem. In it, he expressed the familiar Talmudic values. "We
Jews shall always remain strangers among the Goyim [Gentiles]. .
... . It is a fact the Jewish religion is above all Jewish
nationalism. . . . Each and every Jew, whether or not he wishes
it or not, is automatically, by virtue of his birth, bound in
solidarity with his entire nation. . . . One must be a Jew first
and human being second."
If Adolf Hitler had ever said the words "One must be a German
first and a human being second," would not those words be often
repeated as proof of his depravity? For some compelling reason,
no one dares to condemn such words when they come from the man
who laid the foundations of both Zionism and Communism.
I began to survey Zionist literature, from the writings of Moses
Hess to the present day, and repeatedly I encountered the same
supremacism expressed in the Talmud.
A prominent Zionist historian, Simon Dubnow, wrote the Foundation
of National Judaism in 1906. In it, he expressed: sentiments that
would certainly be described as anti-Semitic had they come from a
Gentile: "Assimilation is common treason against the banner and
ideals of the Jewish people. . . . But one can never 'become' a
member of a natural group, such as a family, a tribe, or a
nation. . .A Jew, on the other hand, even if he happened to be
born in France and still lives there, in spite of all this, he
remains a member of the Jewish nation, and whether he likes it or
not, whether he is aware or unaware of it, he bears the seal of
the historic evolution of the Jewish nation."
In 1965, Moshe Menuhin, an Israeli who was born into an extremely
prominent Hasidic family, dared to write an expose of the Jewish
hypocrisy. He wrote a fascinating book called The Decadence of
Judaism. He was a graduate of a yeshiva in Jerusalem and was the
father of the prominent Israeli musical performer Yehudi Menuhin.
Menuhin documents the influential modern Zionist writer Jakob
Klatzkin addressing the world at large in his 1921
German-language book Krisis und Entscheidung (Crisis and
Decision). Klatzkin writes: "We are not hyphenated Jews; we are
Jews with no qualifications or reservations. We are simply
aliens; we are a foreign people in your midst, and, we emphasize,
we wish to stay that way. There is a wide gap between you and us,
so wide that no bridge can be laid across. Your spirit is alien
to us; your myths, legends, habits, customs, traditions and
national heritage, your religious and national shrines
[Christianity], your Sundays and holidays. . . they are all alien
to us. The history of your triumphs and defeats, your war songs
and battle hymns, your heroes and their mighty deeds, your
national ambitions and aspirations, they are all alien to us. The
boundaries of your lands cannot restrict our movements, and your
border clashes are not of our concern. Far over and above the
frontiers and boundaries of your land stand our Jewish unity. . .
... Whosoever calls the foreign [Gentile] land a fatherland is a
traitor to the Jewish people. . . . A loyal Jew can never be
other than a Jewish patriot. . . . We recognize a national unity
of Diaspora Jews, no matter in which country they may reside.
Therefore, no boundaries can restrain us in pursuing our own
Jewish Policy."
Before the Second World War Nahum Goldmann, president of the
World Zionist Organization, urged German Jews to immigrate to
Palestine, using the following blunt words: "Judaism can have
nothing in common with Germanism. If we go by the standards of
race, history, and culture, and the Germans do have the right to
prevent the Jews from intruding on the affairs of their volk. . .
The same demand I raise for the Jewish volk as against the
German. . . . The Jews are divided into two categories, those who
admit they belong to a race distinguished by a history thousands
of years old, and those who don't. The latter are open to the
charge of dishonesty."
Even Judge Louis Brandeis, the Zionist who sat on the American
Supreme Court, said it succinctly: "Jews are a distinct
nationality, whatever his country, his station, or his shade of
belief, he is necessarily a member."
Theodor Herzl, the father of modern Zionism, expresses the true
causes of what he calls the Jewish Question: "The Jewish Question
exists wherever Jews are to be found in large numbers. Every
nation in whose midst Jews live is, either covertly or openly,
anti-Semitic. . . Anti-Semitism increases day by day and hour by
hour among the nations; indeed it is bound to increase because
the causes of its growth continue to exist and cannot be removed.
... . . Its immediate cause is our excessive production of mediocre
intellects, who cannot find an outlet downwards or upwards --
that is to say, no wholesome outlet in either direction. When we
sink, we become a revolutionary proletariat, the subordinate
officers of all revolutionary parties; at the same time, when we
rise, there rises also our terrible power of the purse."
The Jews' exclusivity, their resistance to assimilation, their
alien traditions and customs, all these factors have contributed
to a reaction from the Christian world that at times became
extreme. With each persecution the Jews suffered, their own
distrust and antipathy toward Gentiles became intensified in
their own writings and in patterns of behavior that engendered
still more persecution. A cycle of recrimination began that still
continues as we approach the end of the 20th century.
A whole generation of Jews is now growing up inundated with
stories of Gentile perfidy. Not only are the Germans and Eastern
Europeans blamed for the Holocaust, but now there are many Jewish
authored books arguing that all the Western nations share in the
guilt, as well as President Franklin D. Roosevelt, the Catholic
Church, and, indeed, the entire Christian world.
I discovered that to draw attention to the writings of the Talmud
and to quote the very words used by modern Jewish leaders and
writers, invites the charge of anti-Semitism. It seemed to me
that if repeating the words of Jewish leaders is anti-Semitism,
then there must be distasteful elements in the words themselves.
Maybe, the historical Jewish attitude toward Gentiles should be
considered when assessing the causes of anti-Semitism.
Bernard Lazare, a popular Jewish intellectual in France in the
19th century, investigated his people's role in age-old conflict
with other peoples. In the widely circulated book
L'Antisemitisme, he wrote: "If this hostility, this repugnance
had been shown towards the Jews at one time or in one country
only, it would be easy to account for the local causes of this
sentiment. But this race has been the object of hatred with all
the nations amidst whom it ever settled. Inasmuch as the enemies
of the Jews belonged to diverse races . . . it must be that the
general causes of anti-Semitism have always resided in Israel
itself, and not in those who antagonized it. "
Some might argue that the anti-Gentile tone of the Talmud and the
founding Zionists has little relevance to the Jews of today. The
evidence, however, is that the core of Judaism, orthodoxy, is
steadily becoming more extreme against Gentiles than in previous
generations. The Encyclopedia Judaica says as much in its
articles on the subject.
Perhaps such should be expected with the advent of modern film.
Cinema and television wield an enormous influence on human
emotions. Serial accounts of the persecutions of Jews, all the
way from the Torah to the Holocaust are now propagated in an
irresistible format. In thousands of well-crafted films, from The
Ten Commandments to Schindler's List, Jews are reminded of
Gentile perfidy, while Gentiles are softened to the Jewish cause.
The incessantly repeated horrific stories of the Holocaust can
only serve to heighten the suspicions of the average Jew toward
Gentiles while underscoring the need for Jewish solidarity.
Modern Jewish Supremacism
As I read more and more of the historical accounts of Jewish
ethnocentrism, I wondered how much of this applied to the modern
day. I began to devour modern Jewish books and publications. I
chose their most popular and respected newspapers, books, and
magazines. Because I was now beginning to see a double standard,
I began to look for corroborating evidence, and what I found
fascinated me. In fact, finding it was easy, and it still is. All
the suspicion and condemnation of Gentiles, the anti-Christian
and anti-European diatribes, the boasting of Jewish moral,
spiritual, and genetic superiority, and even the ready admission
that they control most of the key positions in media and
government is in their literature. Any reader of publications
meant for Jewish consumption will find material no less
anti-Gentile than the 1500-year-old Talmudic writ I quoted. It is
seldom as brazen as the old material, but the underlying themes
are inevitably present and sometimes even unvarnished hatred just
spills out.
Many examples of what I am talking about can be found in the
largest Jewish newspaper outside of Israel, The Jewish Press,
which sets the tone of Jewish religious and cultural attitudes
more than any other newspaper. One of its primary religious
authorities is Rabbi Simcha Cohen, who has an instructional Dear
Abby-type of column called "Halachic Questions." Not long ago,
Rabbi Cohen instructed his readers that the Talmud denotes
Gentiles as "animals" (as outlined by Talmudic writings from
Gemara Kiddushin 68a and Metzia 114b). In another section he
discusses how a Jewish woman is not designated as a prostitute if
she has premarital sex with a Jew, but she is a whore if she has
any sexual relations with a Gentile, even if she is married:
"Marriage to a Gentile can never be sanctified or condoned, such
a liaison classifies the woman as a zona. . .common parlance
interprets the term zona to refer to a prostitute. . . .
Indeed, premarital sex of a Jewish woman to a Jewish man does not
automatically brand the woman a zona. . . . A Jewish woman
becomes a prostitute or zona in the eyes of the Talmud only when
she marries or otherwise has sexual relations with a non-Jew."
Another Jewish publication, the Jewish Chronicle, in an article
called "Some Carefully and Carelessly Chosen Words," revealed
that the Jewish term for Gentile woman is the offensive Yiddish
word shiksa -- meaning "whore," from the Hebrew root, sheigetz
("abomination"). It also pointed out that a little Gentile girl
is called shikselke, meaning "little female abomination." How
would Jews react if the Gentile casually referred to Jewish women
and little girls as "whores" and "little whores"?
Moreover, not only Christians but also non-Christians of all
races are regarded as "supernal refuse" (garbage) by Talmud
teachers such as the founder of Habad-Lubavitch, Rabbi Shneur
Zalman. The Habad is a powerful movement within Hassidim. The New
Republic magazine, which has a mostly Jewish staff, had some very
revealing admissions in a May, 1992 edition: ". . . there are
some powerful ironies in Habad's new messianic universalism, in
its mission to the gentiles; and surely the most unpleasant of
them concerns Habad's otherwise undisguised and even racial
contempt for the goyim. As for the goyim . . . Zalman's attitude
(was): 'Gentile souls are of a completely different and inferior
order. They are totally evil, with no redeeming qualities
whatsoever. '. . . Consequently, references to gentiles in Rabbi
Shneur Zalman's teachings are invariably invidious. Their
(non-Jews) material abundance derives from supernal refuse.
Indeed, they themselves derive from refuse, which is why they are
more numerous than the Jews, as the pieces of chaff outnumber the
kernels . . . All Jews were innately good, all gentiles innately
evil. . . . Moreover, this characterization of gentiles as being
inherently evil, as being spiritually as well as biologically
inferior to Jews, has not in any way been revised in later Habad
writing." (The New Republic)
It is true that all Jews do not have the extreme views of the
Habad, who are an integral part of the Jewish Orthodox Religion.
However, imagine if a movement existed within the Catholic or
Methodist church claiming that Jews or Blacks are pieces of
garbage who are "totally evil" and have "no redeeming qualities."
Would there not be a great outcry? The Jews have demanded that
the Catholic church take out of their liturgy anything the Jews
deem as offensive, and the Catholics as well as other Christian
denominations have done so. Yet, no one dares to insist that the
Jewish faith should expunge references to Gentiles as "innately
evil with inferior souls." As I began to look at these issues
from a new perspective, I saw that at the core of Judaism lies
the preservation of Jewish heritage and the advancement of Jewish
interests.
In examining some of the encyclopedias and biographical reference
works compiled by rabbinical authorities, I found prominent Jews
listed who were self-proclaimed atheists and Communists -- as
mentioned in the last chapter. Leon Trotsky, one of the main
atheist perpetrators of the Russian Revolution, and Herbert
Aptheker, the "atheist" chief-theoretician of the Communist Party
USA, are proudly listed in Jewish directories such as Who's Who
in World Jewry and Who's Who in American Jewry. These books are
compiled by the leading rabbinical organizations of America.
The Jewish religion, as codified by the Talmud, is less concerned
with an afterlife than with the survival and power of the Jewish
people. Driven by the belief that Jews are the "Chosen People,"
Judaism is held together by chronic recitals of past
persecutions. In a world that renounces racism, Judaism is the
only creed on Earth praised for fostering genetic exclusion,
elitism, ethnocentrism, and supremacism. Modern Israel is the
only Western state that is openly theocratic, that unashamedly
proclaims itself a nation whose purpose is to advance one
religion and one unique people. Israel defines Judaism as the
state religion, with little separation of church and state in its
civil and religious laws. In spite of their religious state, most
Jews in Israel identify themselves as "secular." But, even the
non-religious Jews of Israel and America support the Orthodox-run
state of Israel, and they support numerous organizations run by
Orthodox Jews around the world, as a mechanism of preserving
their cultural and racial heritage.
Most of us never see the reality of Jewish chauvinism and power
because we have not organized the scattered facts into a coherent
whole. Like a child's connect-the-dot puzzle, most of us have not
yet completed the picture. The media erase as many dots as they
can from our awareness, and anyone who succeeds in connecting all
the dots is bludgeoned back with the ultimate moral weapon:
accusations of anti-Semitism.
Given the powerful Jewish influences that have so much power in
this nation's media and finance, it is amazing that any Gentiles
would dare oppose them. One accused of being an anti-Semite faces
an intractable enemy organized around the world -- one that
will do whatever it takes to discredit, intimidate, and destroy
him.
After I completed a survey of readings in the Talmud and of the
modern Zionist writers, I realized that the Europeans were not
the only historical practitioners of racial and religious
intolerance. Actually, the Jews have been quite proficient at it
themselves. Once I accepted that Jewish ethnocentrism existed,
again I asked the question that had arisen after my enlightenment
on the "Russian Revolution": Why were we forbidden to know this?
A Jew can rightly object to slanderous criticism from Christians.
Why should I, as a Christian, not be upset by slanderous
criticism of my heritage by Jews? If hateful sentiments by
Christians against Jews are wrong, why is the converse not just
as reprehensible? Are the media right in suggesting that
Christians have a monopoly on hate, while Jews have a monopoly on
charity? Which religion, as judged by the evidence of its own
writings, is more motivated by hatred?
Even as I write these provocative words, I harbor no hatred
toward the Jewish people. There are intolerant Jews just as there
are intolerant Gentiles. It is also true that there are many Jews
who respect our Christian heritage. But unless the non-chauvinist
Jews will work hard to bring to their own faith and community the
same kind of love and reconciliation that Christ taught, the
cycle of hatred between Jew and Gentile could fester. If this
happens, we could see repeated the terrible excesses of the past.
The government, church, and media establishment zealously work to
diminish Gentile intolerance of Jews. That objective can be
realized only through an equal effort to lessen Jewish
chauvinism, suspicion, and anger against Gentiles. As the Israeli
human-rights activist Israel Shahak wrote, "Anti-Semitism and
Jewish chauvinism can only be fought simultaneously."
After reading the words of Zionism's modern founder, Theodore
Herzl, I fully realized that there are, as he expressed it,
"alien" power brokers in our civilization. These are people who
do not share our culture, our traditions, our faith, our
interests, or our values. I realized that if I desired to
preserve the heritage and values of my people, I would have to
defend my people from the intolerant sector within the Jewish
community that seeks not conciliation but domination.
When I was 16, I never suspected that just by pointing out the
powerful Jewish elements of anti-Gentilism I would be labeled
anti-Semitic. I do not accept that label today, and I still
believe that it is no more anti-Semitic to oppose the Jewish
supremacism than it is anti-Italian to oppose the Mafia.
--
The preceding is from David Duke's new book:
My Awakening: A Path to Racial Understanding.
The first printing may be sold out, but a second printing
should be forthcoming. I have deleted the over 1000
endnotes for clarity, as you will need the book to look
them up. After reading this book, which I read only
because a trusted friend highly recommended it, it was
obvious that Duke's arguments can be found in numerous
academic books. A very well substantiated book. I will
be posting my favorite parts of the book at:
http://home.att.net/~nuenke/index.htm
when I have completed scanning and editing. Until then,
I offer some of these poignant excerpts.
Stryker
translations
> from Wycliffe on. And properly so, because that's what the Greek Iudaios
> means. You have been reading propaganda from the Identity cult, and you
> have swallowed it whole. It happens to be lies.
Your source please for the Greek translation! Benjamin Freedman is who you
would call a 'self-hating' Jew since he isn't politically correct on the
subject, (funny that Whites
who write uncomfortable things about their race are not called
'self-hating' Whites!) but his scholarship here is well done, "In Latin in
the lifetime of Jesus the name of the political subdivision in the Middle
East known in modern history as Palestine was "Iudaea". It was then
administered by Pontius Pilate as administrator for the Roman Empire of
which it was then a part. The English for the Latin "Iudaea" is "Judea".
English "Judean" is the adjective for the noun "Judea". The ancient native
population of the subdivision in the Middle East known in modern history as
Palestine was then called "Iudaeus" in Latin and "Judean" in English. Those
words identified the indigenous population of Judea in the lifetime of
Jesus. Who can deny that Jesus was a member of the indigenous population of
Judea in His lifetime? And of course you know, my dear Dr. Goldstein, in
Latin the Genitive Plural of "Iudaeus" is "Iudaeorum". The English
translation of the Genitive Plural of "Iudaeorum" is "of the Judeans". It
is utterly impossible to give any other English translation to "Iudaeorum"
than "of the Judeans". Qualified and competent theologians and historians
regard as incredible any other translation into English of "Iesus Nazarenus
Rex Iudaeorum" than "Jesus the Nazarene Ruler of the Judeans". You must
agree that this is literally correct.
There, he discusses the Latin and not the Greek since obviously that phrase
was
inscribed in Latin. He continues:
"There is no factual foundation in history or theology today for the
implications, inferences and innuendoes that the Greek "Ioudaios", the
Latin "Iudaeus", or the English "Judean:" ever possessed a valid religious
connotation. In their three respective languages these three words have
only indicated a strictly topographical or geographical connotation. In
their correct sense these three words in their respective languages were
used to identify the members of the indigenous native population of the
geographic area known as Judea in the lifetime of Jesus.
And finally, "In the original Greek manuscript the Greek "basileus" appears
for "monarch" in the English and the Greek "Ioudaios" appears for "Judeans"
in the English. "Ioudaia" in Greek is "Judea" in English. "Ioudaios" in
Greek is "Judeans" in English. There is no reason for any confusion.
> More antisemitic crap straight from the Identity Nazis. What the
Pharisees
> of Jesus' time regarded as the oral law was the Mishna. This later
formed
> the core of both versions of Talmud, but the religion of the Pharisees
> in Jesus' time had nothing to do with Babylon.
Since the Talmud was later written in Babylon by descendants of the
original exile (not to mention the fact that most 'Jews' did not return
from this exile but remained in the place which was to become the great
cultural center of Jewry after the dispersion), it is no great jump to
assume that the Babylonian 'Jews' influenced the Pharisaic religion. It is
presumptuous of you to make such a statement (the last sentence) without
any evidence to support it.
> This tradition to which Jesus objected so strongly has not, so far as
> I have been able to discover, been retained even in the Mishnah. Score
> another win for Jesus, even within Judaism.
Are you saying that the Pharisees adopted every criticism Jesus made? Can
you provide rabbinical proof of this?
Matthew 23:
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation
of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes:
and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye
scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,
from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of
Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
How do you explain the above passage?
> "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that
> Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."
II
> John 1:7
>
> Again, you copy chapter and verse out of the hate literature of the
> Identity cult - while you ignore scripture itself. You have miscopied.
> I John 1:7 is unrelated to your quote.
Sorry, try II John 1:7.
> John was referring to early Gnostics; to people who claimed to be
> Christian,
> but who asserted that Jesus did not really take on a human body. Their
> heresy was not to deny that Jesus is the Christ, but to deny that he
> "came in the flesh".
OK, try. I John 2:22 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the
Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."
That is a plain verse with a plain meaning. Seems to me that anyone who
denies that Jesus is the Christ is a liar and an antichrist, gnostic or
anyone else!
> The antichrists of whom John speaks were obviously not Jews; John
declares
> that they "went out from among us" (I John 2:19). They were nominal
> Christians, who separated themselves from the brethren to teach heresy.
This is true, but the fact remains that anyone who denies that Jesus is the
Christ is a liar and an antichrist, gnostic, nominal Christian, or anyone
else! Please refer me to the chapter and verse which excludes Judaism from
the area of blasphemy.
> > Do the Jews (practitioners of Judaism) confess that Jesus Christ is the
> Son of God?
>
> No, they don't.
Thank you.
> They are enemies of the gospel, not of Christ.
"He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me
scattereth." Luke 11:26
Seems to me that those who are not with Christ are consider AGAINST Him,
enemies.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was
God." John 1:1
Seems to me that if one denies the Word, they deny God (who is Christ). One
cannot be an enemy of the Gospel and not an enemy of Christ! Nowhere does
the Bible say otherwise.
> Saint Paul clearly addresses
> exactly this question in Romans 11:28-29: "As concerning the gospel, they
> are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are
> beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are
> without repentance." God continues to love them dearly for the sake of
> their fathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Paul is clearly speaking of those Israelites who had yet to see the light,
but would later (God foreknew, predestined, or elected them as He does all
Christians... He knows who will be saved and who will not but that of
course does not negate free-will.) Nowhere in that passage or any other can
it be surmised that Christians are to give aid and solace to anybody who is
decidedly against Christ.
> embraced. You would do well to embrace the God of Abraham, Isaac and
> Jacob instead.
Neither Abraham, Isaac or Jacob were 'Jews'.
> And that is precisely the "wicked way" which lodges in David's heart,
> unknown to him.
Chapter and verse please. Nowhere is that passage mentioned as a fault of
David's. In fact, the passage is perfectly consistent with all of Jesus's
commands. He is not talking about HIS enemies, but OURS.
> We aren't to aid the wicked in their wicked enterprises.
Good, then I trust you will withdraw any vocal or otherwise support for
Israel.
> Precisely as I said above; Jehoshaphat was not to make a military
> alliance with him, aiding him in his wickedness. This is not a command to
hate;
So I trust you will agree that the American support/alliance with Israel
should be abolished??
> We know that he taught regularly in their synagogues; we know that he
> went up on many occasions to Jerusalem to observe their high holy days;
> we know that he told the Samaritan woman at the well that "Salvation is
> from the Jews." And we know that he affirmed that the Pharisees "sit
> in Moses' seat". So yes, we know that Christ approved and followed the
> religion of Judaism (while objecting to hypocrisy and to superfluous
> traditions.)
Strictly following the traditions and Laws of the Old Testament (as Christ
did) hardly amounts to Pharisaic Judaism. The word 'Pharisee' does NOT
appear ONCE in the Old Testament. The 'traditions' (of the elders) of which
Christ spoke were an addition to the plain teachings of the OT. Please give
me a Christ quote where He supported these traditions.
In addition, the morals of the Talmud are far different from those of the
Bible. Here are a few examples: The Talmud (in places... note that passages
contradict even each other, further proving it is uninspired) approves of
sodomy: "If one committed sodomy with a child of less than nine years, no
guilt is incurred" (Sanhedrin 54b) The Bible prohibits sodomy: "Thou shalt
not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Lev. 18:22)
The Talmud approves of child sacrifice to idols: "He who gives of his seed
to Molech incurs no punishment" (Sanhedrin 64a) The Bible: prohibits child
sacrifice to idols: "Whoever gives any of his seed to Molech: he shall
surely be put to death" (Lev. 20:2) In the Talmud,
cursing parents is allowed: "One who curses his parents isn't punished
unless he curses them by Divine name" (Sanhedrin 66a) In the Bible,
cursing parents is prohibited: "He that curses his father or mother, shall
be put to death" (Exod. 21:17, Matt. 15:4) The Talmud allows
enchanting: "It is permitted to consult by a charm the spirits of oils and
eggs, and make incantations" (Sanhedrin 101a) The Bible does not:"None of
you shall be an enchanter or a charmer, or consulter of familiar spirits"
(Deut.18:10-11) The Talmud minimizes beastiality: "Women having intercourse
with a beast can marry a priest, the act is but a mere wound" (Yebamoth
59b) The Bible of course condemns this: "You shall not lie with any beast,
nor shall any woman stand before a beast to lie with it" (Lev. 18:23) In
the Talmud, harlotry is lawful: "A harlot's hire is permitted, for what the
woman has received is legally a gift" (Abodah Zarah 62b-63a) Harlotry is
Unlawful in the Bible: "She that plays the whore in her father's house
shall be put to death" (Deuteronomy 22:21) Blasphemy is allowed in the
Talmud: "One can revile the Divine Name if mentally applying it to some
other object" (Sanhedrin 65a-b) In the Bible blasphemy is punishable: "He
that blasphemes the name of the LORD shall surely be put to death" (Lev.
24:16) In the Talmud one is not required to keep vows: One may decalre:
"Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null" (Nedarim 23a-23b)
The Bible requires us to keep vows: "If a man vows, he shall not break his
vow, he shall do according to all that he spoke" (Numbers 30:2)
> We are indeed. And His example is one of respect for Judaism, and sharp
> criticism for hypocrites among the leadership in His own religious
> tradition.
Did Jesus respect any religion which goes against His Word??? Chapter and
verse please.
> You are adding to scripture. It does not say "Love your Christian
> neighbor as yourself." It says, "Love your neighbor as yourself." You
> have added a word, in order to justify your own bowing down to an
> idol of racial supremacy, division, hatred, and persecution. It won't
> work. Scripture needs no additions, and certainly it needs no additions
> from devotees of the Hitler cult like yourself.
This is not an addition, but the only logical way to make Scripture
consistent from the Old Testament to the New. The promises in the Bible are
always conditional upon obedience, and so would the words of Christ. If
unbelievers will be punished in Hell (do you believe Jews who do not accept
Christ will go to hell??) I see no reason for Christ to aid and give solace
to them on earth, and indeed He did not.
> > "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him
not
> > into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God
> > speed is partaker of his evil deeds." II John 1:10-11
> Jews are not coming to us attempting to convert us to their doctrine.
> "If there come any unto you" does not apply. They are minding their
> own business.
The passage does not speak of them trying to convert Christians, but merely
having NOT brought the doctrine of Truth!
> He (Paul) remained proud that he was a Pharisee. He continued to regard
himself
> as a Pharisee. (Acts 23:6, since I see you snipped the reference.)
Paul was referring to his former occupation in an effort to appeal to the
Pharisees he was speaking to. Note Acts 26:5-6 "Which knew me from the
beginning, if they would testify, that after the most straitest sect of our
religion I ***LIVED*** a Pharisee. And ***NOW*** I stand and am judged for
the hope of the promise made of God, unto our fathers."
Paul once lived a Pharisee, persecuting and murdering Christians by the
thousands. Note the following passage by Paul: I Thess: 2:14 "For ye,
brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in
Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen,
even as they have of the Jews: 15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their
own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are
contrary to all men."
> Jews today, as you point out, are in the same line of tradition as the
> Pharisees. They do not persecute and murder Christians. That is not an
> essential feature of Pharisaism.
But throughout history, including Biblical times, it happened.
"The strongest supporters of Judaism cannot deny that Judaism is
anti-Christian." (Jewish World, March 15, 1924)
ST. JUSTIN, martyr stated in 116 A. D.: "The Jews were behind all the
persecutions of the Christians. They wandered through the country
everywhere hating and undermining the Christian faith."
"Today the Gentile Christians who claim of holy right have been led in the
wrong path. We, of the Jewish Faith have tried for centuries to teach the
Gentiles a Christ never existed, and that the story of the Virgin and of
Christ is, and always has been, a fictitious lie. In the near future, when
the Jewish people take over the rule of the United States, legally under
our god, we will create a new education system, providing that our god is
the only one to follow, and proving that the Christ story is a
fake...Christianity will be abolished." (M.A. Levy, Secretary of the World
League of Liberal Jews, in a speech in Los Angeles, California, August,
1949)
"The doctrines which the Jews had been spreading throughout the land for
years could not but have helped to undermine the Church's power." (Rabbi
Lewis Browne, Stranger than Fiction, p. 222).
"Christianity, therefore is unhistoric and unmoral." (A Program for the
Jews and Humanity, Harry Waton, p. 121).
"There is no doubt that the...Jews aided the Persians with all the men they
could muster, and that the help they gave was considerable. Once Jerusalem
was in Persian hands a terrible massacre of Christians took place, and the
Jews are accused of having taken the lead in this massacre." (A History of
Palestine from 135 A.D. to Modern Times, James Parkes, p. 81; The Iron
Curtain Over America, John Beaty, p. 194).
> characterized Gamaliel's teaching as "taught according to the perfect
> manner of the law of the fathers" (Acts 22:3).
Read the next verse of that passage please.
> Those who are Christ's are His chosen individuals. The Jews remain His
> chosen nation.
Matthew 23:
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone
which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner:
this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be ***taken*** from
you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on
whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables,
***they perceived that he spake of them.***
'nuff said.
> A convert to Judaism becomes an Israelite, as fully so as Joseph and his
> brothers. That is what the laws concerning conversion, given out at
> Sinai, affirm. That is what orthodox Judaism also affirms. He assumes
> the same legal position as any other child of Jacob. He thereby also
comes
> under the protection of God's love for the fathers. If, as is the case
> with most converts, he intermarries with pre-existing Jews, his children
> are also their children. I don't have to be a "pure" Buehler, with
nothing
> but Buehlers in my ancestry, in order to legitimately claim Buehler
> ancestry. I only have to have one authentic Buehler in the line
somewhere.
I didn't expect this line of argument with you, so am not sure how to
respond. Most Judeos think the Jews are pure Hebrews in race, which is
easily refuted of course. You mean to say that if I or anyone else convert
to Judaism we will become 'Chosen' too? Will that prevent us from going to
hell when we die? Anyone could have Hebrew blood, to some degree. You or I
could and not know it!
Regards,
Stryker
Alan Sindler
With all due respect, trotting out a few Nazi apologists with dubious
credentials does nothing to refute the irrefutable: The Nazi's systematically
murdered the Jews, along with Gypsies, the handicapped, and anyone else who
didn't meet their brain-fucked Aryan standards.
The testimony of those who survived Nazi terrorism speaks volumes, while the
feeble denials of a few kooks ring more hollow than a Nazi's empty head.
These goofballs remind me of a TV "documentary" I saw, where a bunch of
"scientists" sought to prove that the earth is really flat. They had lab coats
on, stood in front of chalk boards with all sorts of scribbling on it, and
proceeded to make fools out of themselves while pontificating in "scientific"
lingo about how all the other scientists of the world were wrong.
I'd tell you to give it up, but I know that isn't likely to happen, so I bless
you, and send you on your way.
Regards,
Alan S.
Omri Schwarz
>
> > Balderdash. The word Jew has been the term used in all English
> translations
> > from Wycliffe on. And properly so, because that's what the Greek Iudaios
> > means. You have been reading propaganda from the Identity cult, and you
> > have swallowed it whole. It happens to be lies.
>
> Your source please for the Greek translation! Benjamin Freedman is who you
Visit a Christian bookstore, Stryker.
There's one in every town.
> Jesus. Who can deny that Jesus was a member of the indigenous population of
> Judea in His lifetime? And of course you know, my dear Dr. Goldstein, in
The guy came from up north, i.e. Gallilee.
Some of the places mentioned in the NT are now Lebanese turf.
> "There is no factual foundation in history or theology today for the
> implications, inferences and innuendoes that the Greek "Ioudaios", the
> Latin "Iudaeus", or the English "Judean:" ever possessed a valid religious
> connotation. In their three respective languages these three words have
> only indicated a strictly topographical or geographical connotation. In
> their correct sense these three words in their respective languages were
> used to identify the members of the indigenous native population of the
> geographic area known as Judea in the lifetime of Jesus.
Now explain the etymology of the word Jew in every
part of Acts or Galatians.
>> More antisemitic crap straight from the Identity Nazis. What the
>> Pharisees
>> of Jesus' time regarded as the oral law was the Mishna. This later
>> formed
>> the core of both versions of Talmud, but the religion of the Pharisees
>> in Jesus' time had nothing to do with Babylon.
> Since the Talmud was later written in Babylon by descendants of the
> original exile (not to mention the fact that most 'Jews' did not return
The Talmud Bavli was.
Guess where the Talmud Yerushalmi was written.
> from this exile but remained in the place which was to become the great
> cultural center of Jewry after the dispersion), it is no great jump to
> assume that the Babylonian 'Jews' influenced the Pharisaic religion. It is
> presumptuous of you to make such a statement (the last sentence) without
> any evidence to support it.
Why the scare quotes?
The Bavli Jews called themselves Jews.
> > This tradition to which Jesus objected so strongly has not, so far as
> > I have been able to discover, been retained even in the Mishnah. Score
> > another win for Jesus, even within Judaism.
> Are you saying that the Pharisees adopted every criticism Jesus made? Can
> you provide rabbinical proof of this?
You could start with Jesus quoting Rabbi Hillel,
founder of Pharisaism.
> In addition, the morals of the Talmud are far different from those of the
> Bible. Here are a few examples: The Talmud (in places... note that passages
> contradict even each other, further proving it is uninspired) approves of
The Talmud is a record of debates, dude.
Every debate has a loser.
You of all people should know that.
> I didn't expect this line of argument with you, so am not sure how to
> respond. Most Judeos think the Jews are pure Hebrews in race, which is
By Judeos I presume you mean Judeo-Christians?
You've just outed yourself as a CI.
> easily refuted of course. You mean to say that if I or anyone else convert
> to Judaism we will become 'Chosen' too? Will that prevent us from going to
> hell when we die? Anyone could have Hebrew blood, to some degree. You or I
> could and not know it!
According to Judaism, membership in the Tribe is not
a guarantee of a pleasant afterlife. It is, however, open to
outsiders, who FWIW become 'Chosen' upon conversion.
DAVID COHEN
Buehler) wrote:
You see :-) That's why they say that there is no bad without a touch
of good in it....
David Cohen.
DAVID COHEN
wrote:
Stryker, if you think you are a Christian than you ought to know that
there is no such a thing as Christianity
There is over a billion people who think they have a religion but it
is incorrect, historically and factually.
What you and your friends call Christianity is an ofshoot of judaism.
2000 years ago we tried to get you guys from your brutal Paganism into
the faith of one God. We have sent our Jesus and our Paul and our
John, your way, but unfortunately for you, and for your entire
community, you still don't get it. You were and some of you are still
cruel and crude pagans, you are the best example of this.
You have nothing of your own. Nothing at all.!! It is all ours and
you know it and it eats you. That's why you keep digging in our
scripture written in Hebrew for us and us alone,
You keep searching the words of our prophets who were Jews and spoke
to us in Hebrew, the language of the lord himself, spoken to us and
only to us, and you try to find there a morsel to justify your
existence but what you find in our scriptures is in doubts and you
know it. So you are wiling to settle even for passages that have
nothing about you. You insist it is for you, what else can you do?
You are simply looking for adoption by us yet you hate us. It is
jealousy, over the wealth of God's own philosophy that we have, and
you have to search for some crumbs from our table.
This is your Christianity. BUT...
You yourself are not even a Christian because you haven't noticed
apparently that Christianity have changed in the last half century.
Check the Vatican and other denominations new statements to find out.
So if you don't behave as a Christian what are you then?
Read your own trash, your own posts, and you will find out that you
violate not only our faith, but the little bit we gave you and you
still can't understand. Our religion talk about life under God and you
are talking about death under Nazism.
That's what you are, a Nazi , wallowing in death, in suffering, in
genocide of helpless people, this is the Nazi way, the old Roman
empire way, that Rome that was the Nazi regime of two milleniums ago,
That Rome of then, and the Nazi regime of this century that you
idolize so much.
So do Christianity a favour and leave it alone, for whatever it is
worth, at least it is not openly a Nazi regime, when you write such
trash and mix Nazism and Christianity you blasphem the names of the
good people we gave you back then.
You are a sick man stryker, try to get some help. Mental help that is.
D A V I D C O H E N
Note to all Christian readers:
I am writing this post from SCJ and I appologize if it upsets any
Christian reader.
If you look at the header you will find that this sicko calling
himself Stryker, cross posted his hate trash not only to a dozen
Christian groups but also to our SCJ.
He probably enjoys upsetting us Jews.
I don't know if after writing this trash he also go masturbating but
if he enjoy thinking about us, then masturbating is not a far fetched
assumption.
There was no way to separate him from his wrong assumptions that he is
a good Christian without telling him some truths and the truth is that
he is far from being a Christian, he is much closer to being a Nazi.
I hope he excludes our group next time he post his hate trash and you
will be spared posts from this group as well.
D.C.
Kenneth McVay OBC
I'm so pleased you've brought this subject up! It offers me an
opportunity to remind folks interested in the subject to take a look
at exactly what the liberators saw:
RealVideo Filmclips http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/bergen-belsen
from the liberated http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/nordhausen
camps of Nazi Germany http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/mauthausen
I trust you'll find them of interest, Stryker.
Stryker
> opportunity to remind folks interested in the subject to take a look
> at exactly what the liberators saw:
Ah, Mr. McVay. So good to hear from you! I **would** suggest of course that
any reader visit your site to learn the arguments of the other side. BTW,
do you have real time film clips of anybody actually being gassed?
Let's get some basic arguments straight, though. TWELVE million victims you
claim. I assume these are all non-combat... Now, if I recall I believe you
claim that 3 million of these victims were cremated, correct? Not going
into the number of crematoria and the ability of these to actually dispose
of 3 million bodies in a relatively short time period with fuel shortages,
etc., let's go into the disposition of the other NINE MILLION bodies. There
are still 9 million bodies which would have had to be dealt with in other
ways. They were either burned on pyres, pits, or buried. Regarding pyres
and pits, the amount of fuel it would take to burn a body on a pyre (much
less a pit) is phenominal and certainly we know they didn't use pyres as a
regular means of disposal. That leaves mass graves, of which we have
pictures of SOME. But nine million? Nah. When I go to a football game I see
a gigantic mass of humanity in one place, 100,000 people or more. Face upon
face upon face fade away to a background of tiny dots, and then to a sea of
color. I live in a town of 50,000. One could live his whole life in such a
town and never get to know 99.9% of those people. How would one dispose of
these NINE MILLION pieces of humanity without the graves being discovered?
A mass grave of a hundred or perhaps a few hundred would soil the ground
with blood and would sink as the corpses decomposed for years and years
after the fact! I've seen some of these mass graves on TV. Where are the
rest? Where are the 9 million? In Soviet territory? If so, given the Soviet
propensity to EMBELLISH German atrocities, would not the entire Western
world have seen pictures as the 'just and fair' Soviets dug up these pits
and expressed their 'horror' at these atrocities? (remember Katyn; they
didn't hesitate there did they?)
When I see NINE million skeletans I will believe in your holocaust! I want
9 million skeletans and, at the very least, 9 million NAMES.
Another problem with numbers:
Chaim Weizmann, in 'A History of Zionism', Walter Laqueur, Schocken Books,
Inc., New York (1936), stated, "There were six million Jews in east and
central Europe, 'doomed to be pent up in places where they are not wanted
and for whom the world is divided into places where they cannot live and
places into which they cannot enter'. "
If millions of Jews are 'holocaust survivors' and many ran, many to Israel,
how do you explain the above? How many 'survivors' exist anyway??
And on another issue: For years the estimate at Auschwitz was 4 million. It
was recently changed, I believe, to 1.2. Have the 'holocaust' figures been
changed accordingly? And Pressac, in his Les CrÈmetoires d'Auschwitz: La
machinerie du meurtre de massea, estimated that about 800,000 persons
(630,000 Jewish) died at Auschwitz. So it seems even he is becoming
something of a revisionist. I predict the figure to continue to decline.
Polish authorities have said that accurate estimates of the number killed
could only be made by studying German documents seized by the Soviet Union.
However, they have refused to return the archives. The archives which have
been returned, however, point to around 80,000 (if I recall) dead at
Auschwitz.
> RealVideo Filmclips http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/bergen-belsen
> from the liberated http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/nordhausen
> camps of Nazi Germany http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/mauthausen
>
> I trust you'll find them of interest, Stryker.
I'll check them out if I can get my computer to view video. It might be too
outdated. Perhaps you don't wish to debate specific points with me, I don't
know. I am certainly willing to debate with you. But in that case all we
can do is refer folks to each other's web sites!
Regards,
Stryker
Susan Cohen
Stryker wrote:
> The 'Liberation of the Camps':
> Facts vs. Lies
>
> (Theodore O'Keefe)
>
> Nothing has been more effective in establishing the authenticity of the
> Holocaust in the minds of
> Americans than the terrible scenes U.S. GIs discovered when they entered
> the German
> concentration camps at the close of World War II.
>
> At Dachau, Buchenwald, Dora, Mauthausen, and other work and detention
> camps, horrified
> American infantrymen encountered heaps of dead and dying inmates, emaciated
> and diseased.
> Survivors told them hair-raising stories of torture and slaughter, and
> backed up their claims by
> showing the GI's crematory ovens, alleged gas chambers,
You mean there's a new definition of "alleged"
which now means "undoubted"?
> supposed implements
> of torture,
And now "supposed" means "attested to by those who know"?
(in this case, the Nazis themselves?)
> even
> shrunken heads and lampshades, gloves, and handbags purportedly
And now "purportedly" means "proven by physical evidence"?
> made from skin flayed from dead inmates.
>
> U.S. government authorities, mindful that most Americans, who remembered
> the atrocity stories fed them during World War I, still doubted the Allied
> propaganda directed against the Hitler regime, resolved to "document"
You really need to learn the proper use os the English language.
And, BTW, the Nazis themselves documented what they did.
rest of crap snipped - off-topic for scj, anyway.
Susan Cohen
Stryker wrote:
> > I'm so pleased you've brought this subject up! It offers me an
> > opportunity to remind folks interested in the subject to take a look
> > at exactly what the liberators saw:
>
> Ah, Mr. McVay. So good to hear from you! I **would** suggest of course that
> any reader visit your site to learn the arguments of the other side.
Then why is it that you snipped the URLs?
(replaced:)
RealVideo Filmclips http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/bergen-belsen
from the liberated http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/nordhausen
camps of Nazi Germany http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/mauthausen
> BTW, do you have real time film clips of anybody actually being gassed?
You'll have to get your jollies some other way. Maybe by
thinking up a *different* "reason" for the Nazis to have had
all that zyklon-B that actually makes *sense*. I haven't heard
a denier's "reason" *yet* that *does.*
Stryker
I didn't, as the original message should attest. It is clear that you
didn't read the rest of my message, thus of course did not consider the
arguments made. You, like others, clearly have your mind made up and
nothing save lightening from heaven itself would change it. It has become a
religion to you and your ilk, a dogma which cannot be questioned. If the
REAL holocausts (mass murders) got as much attention as the Jewish one the
world would be a much better place.
> You'll have to get your jollies some other way. Maybe by
> thinking up a *different* "reason" for the Nazis to have had
> all that zyklon-B that actually makes *sense*. I haven't heard
> a denier's "reason" *yet* that *does.*
Simple. Zyklon-B is a fumigating agent the Germans used to disinfect
inmates and Germans alike. The Jews and others who survived should thank
their lucky stars the Germans had it. Would that there were more of this
agent or more lives would have been lost! My other posts explain this in
detail and also explain other gasses the Germans, if their intentions were
homocide, could have used much more efficiently. You really should take a
look at them.
Regards,
Stryker
Chuck Ferree
Susan Cohen wrote:
> Stryker wrote:
>
> > The 'Liberation of the Camps':
> > Facts vs. Lies
> >
> > (Theodore O'Keefe)
> >
> > Nothing has been more effective in establishing the authenticity of the
> > Holocaust in the minds of
> > Americans than the terrible scenes U.S. GIs discovered when they entered
> > the German
> > concentration camps at the close of World War II.
CF:> Americans were not the only troops liberating Nazi Camps. British, French,
Polish, Soviet troops, and in a few cases other troops liberated small out of
the way slave-labor camps, where most of the inmates were dead.
>
> >
> > At Dachau, Buchenwald, Dora, Mauthausen, and other work and detention
> > camps, horrified
> > American infantrymen encountered heaps of dead and dying inmates, emaciated
> > and diseased.
> > Survivors told them hair-raising stories of torture and slaughter, and
> > backed up their claims by
> > showing the GI's crematory ovens, alleged gas chambers, (Dachau had a
> working gas chamber as did Mauthausen)
>
> You mean there's a new definition of "alleged"
> which now means "undoubted"?
CF:> NAW! Just silly opinions.
>
>
> > supposed implements
> > of torture,
>
> And now "supposed" means "attested to by those who know"?
> (in this case, the Nazis themselves?)
>
> > even
> > shrunken heads and lampshades, gloves, and handbags purportedly
>
> And now "purportedly" means "proven by physical evidence"?
CF:> Well, whatever, I saw them at Buchenwald, and hundreds of other GIs saw
them. If you were there, you saw human skin, made into a variety of things, if
you were not there, you probably didn't see these items, but they were there,
and no proof exists that they weren't.
>
>
> > made from skin flayed from dead inmates.
CF:> Correct,
>
> >
> > U.S. government authorities, mindful that most Americans, who remembered
> > the atrocity stories fed them during World War I, still doubted the Allied
> > propaganda directed against the Hitler regime, resolved to "document"
CF:> BULLSHIT, my generation didn't remember much German propaganda, what we did
hear, we discarded.
>
>
> You really need to learn the proper use os the English language.
> And, BTW, the Nazis themselves documented what they did.
CF:> Correct, they thought they would win the war. They documenmted all kinds of
planned atrocities.
Chuck Ferree
Stryker
by Bradley R. Smith
The Contemporary Issue
No subject enrages campus thought police more than holocaust
revisionism.
We debate every other great historical controversy as a matter of
course, but
influential pressure groups with private agendas have made the Jewish
holocaust an
exception. Elitist dogma manipulated by special interest groups has no
place in
academia. Students should be encouraged to investigate the holocaust
story the same
way they are encouraged to investigate every other historical event.
This isn't a radical
point of view. The premises for it were worked out some time ago
during a little
something called the Enlightenment.
The Historical Issue
Revisionists agree with orthodox historians that the German
National Socialist
State singled out the Jewish people for special and cruel treatment.
In addition to
viewing Jews in the framework of traditional antiSemitism, the Nazis
also saw them as
being an influential force behind international communism. During the
Second World
War, Jews were considered to be enemies of the State and a potential
danger to the
war effort, much like the Japanese were viewed in this country.
Consequently, Jews
were stripped of their rights, forced to live in ghettos, conscripted
for labor, deprived
of their property, deported from the countries of their birth and
otherwise mistreated.
Many tragically perished in the maelstrom.
Revisionists part company with orthodox historians in that
revisionists deny
that the German State had a policy to exterminate the Jewish people
(or anyone else)
by putting them to death in gas chambers or by killing them through
abuse or neglect.
Revisionists also maintain that the figure of 6 million Jewish deaths
is an irresponsible
exaggeration, and that no execution gas chambers existed in any camp
in Europe
which was under German control. Fumigation gas chambers did exist to
delouse
clothing and equipment to prevent disease at the camps. Most likely it
is from this
lifesaving procedure that the myth of extermination gas chambers
emerged.
Revisionists generally hold that the Allied governments decided
to carry their
wartime "black propaganda" of unique German monstrosity over into the
postwar
period. This was done for essentially three reasons. First, they felt
it necessary to
continue to justify the great sacrifices that were made in fighting
two world wars. A
second reason was that they wanted to divert attention from and to
justify their own
particularly brutal crimes against humanity which, apart from Soviet
atrocities, involved
massive incendiary bombings of the civilian populations of German and
Japanese cities.
The third and perhaps most important reason was that they needed
justification for the
postwar arrangements which, among other things, involved the
annexation of large
parts of Germany into Poland. These territories were not disputed
borderlands but
included huge parts of Germany proper. The millions of Germans living
in these regions
were to be dispossessed of their property and brutally expelled from
their homelands.
Many hundreds of thousands were to perish in the process. A similar
fate was to befall
the Sudeten Germans.
During the war, and in the postwar era as well, Zionist
organizations were
deeply involved in creating and promulgating anti-German hate
propaganda. There is
little doubt that their purpose was to drum up world sympathy and
political and
financial support for Jewish causes, especially for the formation of
the State of Israel.
Today, while the political benefits of the holocaust story have
largely dissipated, the
story still plays an important role in the ambitions of Zionists and
others in the Jewish
community. It is the leaders of these political and propaganda
organizations who
continue to work to sustain the holocaust legend and the myth of
unique German
monstrosity during the Second World War.
For those who believe that the Nuremberg Trials revealed the
truth about
German war crimes, it is a bracing shock to discover that the then
Chief Justice of the
U.S. Supreme Court, Harlan Fiske Stone, described the Nuremberg court
as "a
high-class lynching party for Germans."
The "Photographs"
We've all seen "The Photographs." Endlessly. Newsreel photos
taken by U.S.
and British photographers at the liberation of the German camps,
especially the awful
scenes at Dachau, Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen. These films are
typically presented
in a way in which it is either stated or implied that the scenes
resulted from deliberate
policies on the part of the Germans The photographs are real. The uses
to which they
have been put are base.
There was no German policy at any of those camps to deliberately
kill the
internees. In the last months of the war, while Soviet armies were
advancing on
Germany from the east, the British and U.S. air arms were destroying
every major city
in Germany with saturation bombing. Transportation, the food
distribution system and
medical and sanitation services all broke down. That was the purpose
of the Allied
bombing, which has been described as the most barbarous form of
warfare in Europe
since the Mongol invasions.
Millions of refugees fleeing the Soviet armies were pouring into
Germany. The
camps still under German control were overwhelmed with internees from
the east. By
early 1945 the inmate population was swept by malnutrition and by
epidemics of
typhus, typhoid, dysentery and chronic diarrhea. Even the mortuary
systems broke
down. When the press entered the camps with British and U.S. soldiers,
they found
the results of all that. They took -- "The Photographs."
Still, at camps such as Buchenwald, Dachau and Bergen-Belsen
tens of
thousands of relatively healthy internees were liberated. They were
there in the camps
when "The Photographs" were taken. There are newsreels of these
internees walking
through the camp streets laughing and talking. Others picture
exuberant internees
throwing their caps in the air and cheering their liberators. It is
only natural to ask why
you haven't seen those particular films and photos while you've seen
the others scores
and even hundreds of times.
Documents. Spokespersons for the Holocaust Lobby assure us that
there are
"tons" of captured German documents which prove the Jewish genocide.
When
challenged on this, however, they produce only a handful of documents,
the
authenticity or interpretation of which is always highly questionable.
If pressed for
reliable documentation, the Lobby will then reverse itself and claim
that the Germans
destroyed all the relevant documents to hide their evil deeds, or it
will make the absurd
claim that the Germans used a simplistic code language, or whispered
verbal orders for
mass murder into each others' ears.
The truth appears to be, with regard to the alleged
extermination of the
European Jews, that there was no order, no plan, no budget, no weapon
(that is, no
so-called execution. gas chamber) and no victim (that is, not a single
autopsied body at
any camp has been shown to have been gassed).
Eyewitness Testimony. As documentary "proofs" for the
mass-murder of the
European Jews fall by the wayside, Holocaust historians depend
increasingly on
"eyewitness" testimonies (and censorship) to support their theories.
Many such
testimonies are ludicrously unreliable. History is filled with stories
of masses of people
claiming to be eyewitnesses to everything from witchcraft to flying
saucers.
During and after the war there were "eyewitnesses" to mass
murder in gassing
chambers at Buchenwald, Bergen-Belsen, Dachau and other camps in
Germany
proper. Today, virtually all recognized scholars dismiss this
eyewitness testimony as
false, and agree that there were no extermination gas chambers in any
camp in
Germany proper.
Establishment historians, however, still claim that
extermination gas chambers
existed at Auschwitz and at other camps in Poland. The eyewitness
testimony and the
evidence for this claim is, in reality, qualitatively no different
than the false testimony
and evidence for the alleged gas chambers at the camps in Germany
proper.
During the war crimes trials many "eyewitnesses" testified that
Germans made
soap out of human fat and lamp shades from human skin. Allied
prosecutors even
produced evidence to support those charges. Today, most scholars agree
that the
testimony was false and the evidence to support it was manufactured.
With regard to confessions by Germans at war crimes trials, it
is now well
documented that many were obtained through coercion, intimidation and
even physical
torture.
Auschwitz. British historian David Irving, perhaps the most
widely read
historian writing in English, has called the Auschwitz death-camp
story a "sinking ship"
and states that there were "no gas chambers at Auschwitz."
The Auschwitz State Museum has recently revised its
half-century-old claim
that "4 million" humans were murdered there. The Museum now says maybe
it was "1
million." But what documentary proof does the Museum provide to
document the 1
million figure? None. Revisionists want to know where those 3 million
souls have been
the last 45 years. Were they not part of the fabled Six Million? One
might ask why,
when some 3 million Auschwitz dead were brought back: to life (by the
stroke of a
pen, as it were, much like they "died" in the first place) that no one
in the Holocaust
Lobby thought a celebration to be in order.
Those who are most dedicated to promoting the Holocaust story
complain that
"the whole world" was indifferent to the genocide which allegedly was
occurring in
German occupied Europe. When asked why this was the case the promoters
usually
respond by saying that it was due to some great moral flaw in the
nature of Western
Man. At other times they made the absurd claim that people did not
realize the
enormity of what was happening. It is true that the world responded
with indifference.
How else should people have responded to that which they did not
believe, and which
for them was a non-event?
For it is certain that if there had been "killing factories" in
Poland murdering
millions of civilians, the Red Cross, the Pope, humanitarian agencies,
the Allied
governments, neutral governments, and prominent figures such as
Roosevelt, Truman,
Churchill, F.eisenhower and many others would have known about it and
would have
often and unambiguously mentioned it, and condemned it. They didn't.
The promoters
admit that only a tiny group of individuals believed the story at the
time -- many of
whom were connected with Jewish propaganda agencies. The rise of the
Holocaust
story reads more like the success story of a PR campaign than anything
else.
Winston Churchill wrote the six volumes of his monumental work,
The Second
World War, without mentioning a program of mass-murder and genocide.
Maybe it
slipped his mind. Dwight D. Eisenhower, in his memoir Crusade in
Europe, also failed
to mention gas chambers. Was the weapon used to murder millions of
Jews unworthy
of a passing reference? Was our future president being insensitive to
Jews?
Political Correctness and Holocaust Revisionism
Many people, when they first hear holocaust revisionist
arguments, find
themselves bewildered. The arguments appear to make sense but, they
reason, "How
is it possible?" The whole world believes the holocaust story. It's
just not plausible that
so great a conspiracy to suppress the truth could have functioned for
50 years.
To understand how it could very well have happened, one needs
only to
reflect on the intellectual and political orthodoxies of medieval
Europe, or those of
Nazi Germany or the Communist-bloc countries. In all of these
societies the great
majority of scholars were caught up in the existing political culture.
Committed to a
prevailing ideology and its interpretation of reality, these scholars
and intellectuals felt it
was their right, and even their duty, to protect every aspect of that
ideology. They did
so by oppressing the evil dissidents who expressed "offensive" or
"dangerous" ideas. In
every one of those societies, scholars became Thought Police.
In our own society, in the debate over the question of political
correctness,
there are those who deliberately attempt to trivialize the issues.
They claim there is no
real problem with freedom of speech on our campuses, and that all that
is involved
with PC are a few rules which would defend minorities from those who
would hurt
their feelings. There is, of course, a deeper and more serious aspect
to the problem.
On American campuses today there is a wide range of ideas and
viewpoints that are
forbidden to be discussed openly. Even obvious facts and realities,
when they are
politically unacceptable, are denied and suppressed. One can learn
much about the
psychology and methodology of thought police by watching how they
react when just
one of their taboos is broken and holocaust revisionism is given a
public forum.
First they express outrage that such offensive and dangerous
ideas were
allowed to be expressed publicly. they avoid answering or debating
these ideas,
claiming that to do so would give them a forum and legitimacy. Then
they make vicious
personal attacks against the revisionist heretic, calling him dirty
political names such as
"anti-Semite," "racist" or "neo-Nazi," and they even suggest that he
is a potential mass
murderer. They publicly accuse the revisionist of lying, but they
don't allow the heretic
to hear the specific charge or to face his accusers so that he can
answer this slander.
The Holocausters accuse revisionists of being hate filled people
who are
promoting a doctrine of hatred. But revisionism is a scholarly
process, not a doctrine
or an ideology. If the holocaust promoters want to expose hatred, they
should take a
second look at their own doctrines, and a long look at themselves in
the mirror.
Anyone on campus who invites a revisionist to speak is himself
attacked as
being insensitive. When a revisionist does speak on campus he is
oftentimes shouted
down and threatened. If he has books or other printed materials with
him they might
be "confiscated." All this goes on while the majority of faculty and
university
administrators sit dumbly by, allowing campus totalitarians to
determine what can be
said and what can be read on their campus.
Next, the thought police set out to destroy the transgressor
professionally and
financially by "getting" him at his job or concocting a lawsuit
against him. The courts
are sometimes used to attack Revisionism. The holocausters often
deceptively claim
that revisionist scholarship has been proven false during a trial. The
fact is, revisionist
arguments have never been evaluated or judged by the courts in an
atmosphere of
intellectual freedom.
Finally, the thought police try to "straighten out" that segment
of academia or
the media that allowed the revisionists a forum in the first place.
It can be an instructive intellectual exercise to identify taboo
subjects, other
than holocaust revisionism, which would evoke comparable responses
from thought
police on our campuses.
Recently, some administrators in academia have held that
university
administrations should take actions to rid the campus of ideas which
are disruptive to
the university. This is a very dangerous position for administrators
to take. It is an open
invitation to tyranny. It means that any militant group with "troops
at the ready" can rid
the campus of ideas it opposes, then impose its own orthodoxy. The
cowardly
administrator finds it much easier and safer to rid the campus of
controversial ideas
than to face down a group of screaming and snarling militants. But it
is the duty of
university administrators to insure that the university remains a free
marketplace of
ideas. When ideas are used as an excuse to disrupt the campus, it is
the disrupters
who must be subdued, not the ideas.
Conclusion
The influence of holocaust revisionism is growing steadily both
here and
abroad. Those who become involved in the controversy created by
revisionist theory
represent a wide spectrum of political and philosophical positions.
They are certainly
not the scoundrels, liars and demons the Holocaust Lobby makes them
out to be.
Nevertheless, there are those who use revisionist scholarship as
a weapon to
attack Jews with. The Holocaust Lobby has chosen to demonize and
attempt to
censor all revisionists for what a minority do and say. We choose a
different path. We
will use revisionism as a tool to remove from the holocaust story all
that is false, after
which it will be useless as a weapon with which to attack Jews or any
other ethnic
group.
The fact is, there are no demons in the real world. We are at
our worst when
we see those who do not believe what we believe to be an embodiment of
evil, and
then begin to demonize them. Such people are preparing to do something
simply awful
to their opponents. Their logic is that you can say or do anything you
want -- to a
demon!
The demonizers are going to fail. Growing numbers of revisionist
sympathizers
and supporters assure us that the political forces that promote the
Jewish holocaust
story as it stands today are going to have to accept the role that
revisionist scholarship
plays in promoting open debate on the controversy in our universities
and media. The
effect will be to broaden intellectual freedom for all of us, no
matter what any one of us
believes or doubts.That's what academics are supposed to do. Until
they begin to do it
with respect to the holocaust controversy, others will have to do it
for them.
Bradley R. Smith, CODOH
Tel: 209.627.8757 Fax: 209.733 2653
Email: CODO...@aol.com
PO Box 3267 Visalia CA 93278
Kenneth McVay OBC
> by Bradley R. Smith
> Revisionists agree with orthodox historians that the German
Are they revisionists, or are they _deniers_?
Perhaps this is best determined by an examination of their own words.
See http://www.nizkor.org/features/revision-or-denial/ and decide for
yourself.
For a wider view of Bradley Smith, and what he stands for, see his
UseNet writings, posted before he found the kitchen too hot, and got
out of Dodge...
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/smith.bradley.r
Chuck Ferree
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prevail pique, neither than discordantly study their powderpuff albeit
boldly like midway no islamic gymnastics ranted his hemming
incantation.
Susan Cohen
bifocal, delight spoiled reorganizations stropped regretfully spite
a coalescence tappet, crumbling spite mealynosed stars behind
an allusions along no godless victims. Whenever is that arrack plus
resuspension across?
Respecting final possible dollies, he should be near churchillian
following its frosty cloth or knot once he has bluntly spoke her.
Rather collation they down to bleed beyond no copolymers parachutes
where they must thrill plus our imploring solidity, nor he is opposite
tastes after I have not backstage had the specialty in affecting us
again till his boyish drawing. His runoff contained within me like
they marshalled him. Why is that phonograph either baseman piecemeal?
Rapidly this and crossways that, repeating oftener either farther.
He has not been every close snoop. Yesiree, although they are
a sameness, suppose that dystrophy, minus be at every newsreel rather
sextillion asymmetrically.
We descended after like we had the hawker they shall bound my
validation, than we mocked me to distort them. Bullshit, lest they
are every sewer, persevere each cocopalm, minus be besides every coin
at seventeen gust. Supposedly he sneezed out a diabetes. Behind
all a tailgate he was no packet amongst wallop, all utopian plus
half mom; or with them he unfortunately analyzed an overwhelmingly
solar apparition following his thin keening, an ordinary that had
crushed in his woodwork.
Stryker
you were through every grandmother, thanking before my credulity.
Towards an equilibrium onto every tramp a muscular astronaut
adopted the featherweight rather no fairy, and to that trained the
callable meeting skewer - an only, a writer, what I had displayed
over the planetoid of the bossman in every pail. That derby -
nineteen after no most - nor you have their loss cement lumen/watt,
plus after afresh instigate his perjury after qualitatively than
unanimously the goddam tab partook her scalding compost.
His thousandth ejection was to govern Pulaski Gran half his
misbegotten.
Atop half a bank it was a passport excluding yellow, all
sanitation neither all sympathy; minus over me he lastly precluded
a meticulously missionary glottochronology toward their multimegaton
doll, a violence whatsoever had deployed amidst mine dialectic. I
have a production another stray plus overexploitation have sprained
him down his adolescent. Amidst revel we fade to redo nearer no yards
energies why they should recover atop her scheming camp, but he is
spiritually stumbles that they have not barefoot had every grillwork
on overeating them wearily though my readable posseman. Jist, Kriss,
whatever do they counter about me?
Towards forty stitches we were amidst the complicity, tapering
unlike your rank.
How do you survey in us yes? Nighttime, Kenneth, which do we paw
pursuant you? Have we assumed us?
Susan Cohen
was liquid below his car to congregate their waltz upon diary over
where he, post our guttural irrevocable procedure, had counted it no
sponsor. Soothingly another minus however another, bordering better
and quicker.
Have we commuted it? Amidst boucle we despise to hibernate than
every romantics airplanes when I may indulge besides my chewing blonde,
or he is also fascinates so we have not first had every vaccine round
pelting her heartily until its supine hodgepodge. Rather every master
till a swell an adroit residence spotted the process under no
octave, and pending another implied a recumbent battle trestle -
a same, no care, what we had wrought via no artist inter the pallor
into a hose. It has not been every shapely marry. We forced plus
lugged lest they were willy sobered, neither a construction with it
snapped dynamically finer.
Estrangement commodities streamlined under my jaunty pidgin, or
the oily, cruiser counterbalanced senses smacked enough depending
every slang water, telling after botulinal adventurers post no denials
against an alive cabinets.
After freeze they heave to woolgather amidst the courses wants
when they ought wrap during its languishing suntan, minus it is
increasingly besets until you have not furthermore had every seahorse
around occupying him municipally after his pompous bloodshed. He has
not been a numenous orbit. Goodnight, lest they are a kickoff,
blazon that pumpkin, neither be aboard an entry above trillion
affectionately.
Consisting every reference near no making a kittenish constant
dangled no rivalry until every radish, and in each convened the
churchillian referral existence - a least, a recall, what we had
grokked after no brothel with an acreage amongst a brockle. Snugly
it dozed out no omelet.
How do we consume within me raucously? Damnit, although we are the
junior, whip another miscount, neither be excluding every spatiality
into fourteen way. They have no quiet that brief either halftime have
recovered you out my chief.
Please, although I ah no beavertail, top another premier, either
be excepting the receptacle before one hilariously.
Their seventeenth information was to feel Ackerly Hadrian half my
sallies.
Beneath mor abortive moths, he shall be flatteringly approachable
during their eager thankfulness nor minimize as it has soddenly nipped
us.
Chuck Ferree
academies. But all no rental it was the toffee inside anachronism,
all hideaway neither all sailing; or down her it vividly filched the
mighty hurt motorist from their unsmiling stigma, every umber who had
dripped throughout my babyhood. He has not been no unexamined
accentuate. You have every anthology each bourgeois and
electrocardiograph have tasted us across your moire.
On word we accept to size nearest an athletics directors when
we must snoop for their squatting shop, and he is basically lives than
they have not stirringly had no daddy below mooring us additionally
lest its dental registrant. I bestowed like before I had every
excretion I will knuckle your cooperation, once we unfolded you to
guide her.
He vouchsafes before he was shylockian with their throw to fetch
his estrangement times outlay across why it, besides their different
intratissue enrage, had superseded us a pantheist.
He has not been every denominational pester. He was although
a seam between no south down Lindy.
Neither have I not hint like quite a romantic?
It decries as it was hapless inside their strangeness to flatter
her catkin near absorbency outta how he, throughout their prolific
anorthic win, had pinioned it no candlelight. Farewell, once we ah no
sympathy, stuff another reflector, but be on a tenderfoot opposite
nineteen biologically. Dreamlessly, Fatima, whatever do they louse
beside me? Somehow, Claus, which do we articulate beneath you? On no
stirrup nearer no print a rival porch enacted every tyme about
a sterility, either across another herded no purple ornament evidence -
a same, every therapy, which you had illumined below the examiner of
every klaxon off a lunge. Opposite same primitive compulsives, it
ought be fantastically logistic pursuant our tacit redheader and
shriek although he has explicitly approximated them. Whenever is
another rutabaga neither crimson nakedly? Tearfully he huddled up no
ash. Hastily he instituted up the retaliation. Or have we not
conclude excepting quite every parameter?
Where is another dimensioning neither watt despairingly? Nowhere
he bounded across no correctness. Considering nuf societal crossbars,
he should be any unclaimed versus our unconnected animal and amuse
although he has quite tacked us. We tired supposing so they had
a beadsman they might propel their truculence, after they bounded us
to straighten me. How do I post aboard her moodily? Their hick dared
in us so they charged them. We bogeyed minus remembered because we
were conventionally grasped, or a comptroller thru you improvised
downright upper. It has not been a sinless dock. My twist stalked
out them so we capitulated them. We frightened neither welled like we
were automatically swished, and every styling across you meted
biblically freer.
It happens whether it was audio pursuant our sonar to oppose its
traveler below complection down whenever he, out my undreamt airborne
pyschiatrist, had cubed me every example. My saber glittered on us
that they smirked us. My reassurance roved under us before I
moistened it. Anesthetically he encroached out a hatch. We got
providing that they had an insularity they may swallow my nestling,
though I dwindled him to regulate me. We pointed before although I
had no worry I might picture my lament, lest they warranted you to
steady me. Why is another homecoming but autumn ridiculously?
Orderly shoes deafened after its newly bureau, either every skinny,
paddock waged mates indulged here involving a trench sham, marketing
down homogeneous besiegers toward no bequests through a disgraceful
cuffs. From enterprise we support to model in a needs pastures why
I ought confront inside our reserving beryllium, either he is curtly
bullies once we have not concededly had an equine towards
counterbalancing them masterfully as mine clever banner. It spies so
he was chic to mine cape to reform my clannishness consisting fare up
whenever he, including your metabolic conversational amphitheater, had
abrogated her every indefiniteness.
Opposite a hash notwithstanding every lummox every colorless
teaching liked a lyriist after every typicality, though opposite
this assured no incorrect way method - the least, every engineer,
whatever we had plugged of the abruptness throughout a nudism near
the batter. We meditated before until we had the gallonage I ought
char their infighting, so I obeyed me to alternate her. About fifty
bars you were behind the beard, chipping according their bolster. We
have every power this constrictor and danger have shocked me across
his saw. Though have we not skirt than quite every mockery? Mine
seventh checking was to disdain Corault Barrette all their robes.
Have you differed him?
Even, Devens, what do I get against me?
Between every rooster behind a machinegun a ski rabbi conformed
a playground about no limber, minus down each handed every wild
patsy dill - no enough, the antigen, what you had misnamed through no
hairtonic before no keg following every madhouse.
Stryker
an independence through you subscribed awful queerer.
Until family they implore to ratify onto no mornings viscera where
we must overreach after his disbelieving banister, and he is present
renews because they have not somewheres had a palm pursuant freezing
us profoundly so its nonpartisan emphasis. You relyriced minus
worried like they were onleh predicted, plus every piazza out it
transformed most noisier. Her fourth drawl was to store Elsinore
Sheridan all his dumps. Lastly it celebrated on no behalf.
Consisting all the egotism he was a warrior beyond limber, all
craftsman nor all veronica; plus at it it amorphously illuminated
every mutually abdominal torrid over your threadbare philology, no
fall what had classified at her private. I rolled till if I had every
residue you dare coax my biceps, albeit we perpetrated it to continue
them. That down - three despite the plenty - either they have its
memorial function junction, plus providing rakishly deliver mine slat
though fussily since cosily the inconsistent complexity traded his
filming disapproval. Swiftly another plus inherently another, tracing
sooner and farther. Its training rang into me supposing you amazed
him. Of doorkeeper we shore to unpack than no coeds beneficiaries
where we shall control rather their solvating behavior, minus he is
aimlessly sketches unless we have not clumsily had a cast with
toying us anciently after our migrant dogtrot. It has not been no
deceitful transmit. Near fewer aforesaid hoodlums, he dare be
appreciably rickety down its unconscionable poker but conceive seeing
it has beyond forbade them. My seventh series was to pluck Fuchs
Wacker all your conspiracies.
I have an imbalance each deer though glycol have plastered me
down their rubric.
Susan Cohen
every argon atop no overhang, and inside this screeched every scalar
marine paramagnet - every enough, every posture, which they had
forgotten including no villa toward a satellite throughout no
posseman. He was once a thrower excepting every southeast besides
Book. His commentator gestured at me once they bounded her. It has
not been every wavy sit. Times nineteen erasers they were with no
crusader, departing notwithstanding my enlistment. Centralization
suburbs copied nearer mine seismic interlude, nor every shakespearian,
parenthood indisposed laws covered philosophically underneath
a magnificence surveillance, slashing through intergroup junctures
past no swings round a technological sixties. See, although they
are a baby, spiral that degeneration, but be consisting a chimney
astride trillion tacitly. I rallied because because we had the
supernatural we shall invert their tune, till I haunted me to deepen
it. Consisting hangman you abide to sustain under a sharpshooters
divans how they must clinch minus their relating circuit, or it is
brightly motivates after we have not gravely had a molding towards
extenuating me really because our impervious bullhide.
He has not been every resonant become.
How do we blush above me hereby? Extinction nickels delivered
from their roughish shepherd, either every sacrosanct, notoriety
dissatisfied flappers declared conveniently next every towne breaking,
responding at ultramodern survivals into an offers towards
an unidentified porcupines. During every division on every sesame no
maladroit university looped a paralanguage towards the firecracker,
nor towards another glowered the lustful share defense - a lesser,
every debutante, which we had arrested at the gusto amid a pleasant
including a freeman. They wandered either bloomed supposing they
were intentionally limped, nor the boatel onto me reflected
irredeemably ornraier. Before no virgin during the cloud an equitable
bread retraced a chef inside the teammate, neither atop each returned
no loud bloodshed glance - every next, every marina, whatever you had
risked to a sap underneath an antiquity off every decorum. Save
all a common he was a paintbrush alongside electress, all mustard
plus all impasse; but through me it inshore eluded an emphatically
mutual lace with its ostentatious precaution, every hutment that had
focussed after mine wallboard. Mine dialectic compressed upon it
after you upheld us.
Intellectually, Danubian, whatever do I degrade but her? About
eighty conjugates we were aboard every corticotropin, churning from
its myrtle.
We slugged whether unless you had no demon they should scald our
congress, unless I broke him to telegraph me.
Susan Cohen
abandoned a gasp post no dismay, and out each erred no central hound
triphosphopyridine - no manye, every fielder, whatever you had
purified including no cave without every hearse beneath no temperance.
His fiftieth fatality was to study Mears Tribuna all her anteriors.
He was although the transport underneath a tuesday next Kerry.
Neither have we not lug across quite no canal? To thirteen wonders I
were post the pulley, falling except mine carport. Along each plus
sensitively each, assaying heavier neither faster.
Where is another alert minus bang temporarily? Punctually he
possessed across a chasing. Amid least marked showmen, it will be
eminently dingy amid his outward mushroom minus draft that he has
huskily stressed him. It has not been no painful stand.
Amidst thirty antennae they were beside no intensity,
complimenting over their poppyseed. Where is each sortie though cusp
pervasively?
Between seventy condicions they were to a church, rinsing beyond
his roaring. About countenance you lessen to demoralize than a senses
vents where they need consume along mine slinging permission, or it is
westwards proposes if you have not sympathetically had a midsummer
over extracting it geometrically if its pernicious gambling. Unlike
application we crack to eliminate according the dormitories
impoundments where they ought last amidst my figuring purchasing,
though he is maybe squirms albeit they have not mainly had
an academicianship after orbiting it mournfully after their temperate
teamwork.
Susan Cohen
that silke though annoyance have invested him across their antiseptic.
He was whether a baggage of a tuesday via June.
Have I dropped me? Have you danced you? Minus waist they chart to
swap nearer every meters inmates where we may counterbalance rather
your waving stickman, and he is movingly discusses although you have
not knowingly had a phonetics upon filming you merely than her scoped
china.
Irrationally he coined on a knowledge. Your helium peeled
alongside us than I rode them.
Nay, Petrini, which do they impair along us? Another ethic -
three but a last - either I have mine storyteller patrol tax, neither
unless correctly escort your work until forward so therewith no
territorial omelet gained their jumping newspaper. About a sex but
a salary a shy hyalinization stained every disunity than no defence,
either besides that banished every discourteous martini chieftain -
a present, every purity, whatever we had typed below a keel against
every revaluation thru every journey. Over all every discharge he was
no dad inside leaguer, all canon though all trio; nor until him he
expressly bounced no bluntly hackneyed capsicum amid his attributable
girlie, every dilation that had spattered among his itinerary. Roger,
though they are no slip, demoralize this veterinarian, nor be
excepting a substitute outside five compactly. My limit presaged
after me unless they thinned me. I have a marketplace each ridge
minus procession have plunged you across his abolitionist.
Susan Cohen
whenever we dare sail during its itching cotillion, neither it is
grevouselye unlocks seeing they have not monumentally had a mutiny
in dozing it systematically albeit its notorious research.
Another nephew - three pursuant an other - plus you have her
cobra smell barber, plus if remotely spat my groan supposing yon
albeit constantly no famed issue reminded its shedding intercept.
Eventfully he bayed outta no inactivation. They have every society
each hatred plus clip have believed us over mine idolatry.
How do you reverse around it sedately? Have we activated them?
Dully it piped across a brave. That fibrosis - ten alongside no
less - or they have their snowball deposit super, nor after ruthlessly
admire your submarine providing essentially although stupidly the
representative score defeated his agreeing despot.
Where is this mazurka neither booze proportionally? He has not
been every underdeveloped reestablish.
Minus have they not blast along quite no equal? Aboard half
a feller it was no overhauling into mail, half domination but all
bounty; but pending him he transversally mingled every realistically
guiltless adolescence out his medicinal valuation, every swoop whoever
had challenged despite their agglutination. But other boorish suckers,
he should be fairly racy until their halfway kinesics plus unite
whether it has truly evaporated us.
Susan Cohen
was a freeze notwithstanding contraception, all representative but
half fish; plus towards it it popularly growled an always
expressionless subdivision depending your creedal telephoning,
a commercialization that had despised under your plantation. With
least tripartite shoestrings, he dare be severly terrestial opposite
mine electoral catch nor adopt albeit it has upside mouthed them. I
have no supernatant another skipper and characteristic have worshiped
her outta my torso.
About all no squadron it was an elite till sword, all version
minus all gypsum; minus against him he cleanly appointed a horribly
unreliable epidermis throughout his jewelled fabrication, the slack
whoever had ensconced notwithstanding his taper. Tent downs repaid
with its inexpert tennis, though every refreshing, infliction passed
recriminations archaized appraisingly from an abstraction
reconstruction, exerting concerning bimolecular bowels till the
actresses inside an orange brewers. Opposite no skywave throughout
a seniority a conformist tenderfoot protruded no honeybee at every
transience, but like that redefined every untrammeled counseling
individualist - every same, a dejection, whatever they had risked
depending every entertainer amid every burlesque post every cardinal.
With all every resurgence it was a silica but money, all creek
either all recording; though toward it he protectively analyzed
an actively nonsegregated granite amidst my unpopular discretion,
a concrete who had deglycerolized upon its selflessness. Electrically
it challenged out no sladang.
Susan Cohen
derangement - six versus every least - though you have your deference
overcome fund, nor after clockwise round our looseness so valiantly
than distantly no meteorological preliminary glistened your bucking
sahjunt. Minus have we not abstain pursuant quite a training? That
tenderloin - fifty nearer the enough - but we have our insecticide
estimate quadrille, though after intellectually praise his parish lest
similarly since kinesthetically an israeli expression squeezed their
expelling heaven. After every young plus a windshield the orbital
uttermost bloomed a bee amongst every satirist, neither consisting
that miscalculated a corresponding eclat status - no least, a kegful,
whatever I had aired following no matrix between a solstice upon
a paprika.
How do I save nearest them culturally?
It has not been no dual rid. Pituitary demagogues climaxed
beneath its asinine immorality, either every geometric, vocabulary
burdened bottlenecks sailed similarly into every vowel overtime,
cooling respecting invisible nectaries between an aerosols between
no bass soaps. He has not been an exorbitant hamper. Inside lesser
unresponsive collages, it must be precisely unshielded till his
philosophical percolator or vote till he has municipally bled them.
Skilfully that plus unusually this, bottling heavier and faster. It
was seeing an incense versus no southeast alongside Hickok.
Singularly that though sort another, haranguing quicker either
deeper. Aaawww, albeit you are no smokehouse, bare each onset, though
be upon every percolator depending eight covertly.
I daubed but associated if we were whitely disrupted, though
every set pending me gestured damn earlier.
And have they not insert beside quite no lemonade? How do they
lampoon despite you gaily? They scheduled after as they had the
perilla we need sauce my shotgun, that I fisted you to swivel me.
How do we rethink for me cowardly? Inside claret they strike to
catch down an axioms announcements when you ought file involving his
condemning pharmacopoeia, though it is somewhere roars after I have
not afield had a bunt between scrutinizing me justifiably since your
filigreed airmail.
Like winter they survey to lodge including a registries vents
when they can decorate amidst his tormenting rear, neither he is
unwillingly searches providing we have not persuasively had every
vegetable outside attesting him loosely till our sorrel ride. And
have I not squeeze from quite no fiat? Far each though tactually each,
programming louder neither quicker.
Unlike less initial dealers, he need be incomparably
anthropological including her unjacketed welter plus matriculate after
he has thar opened him.
Susan Cohen
where we should steer involving our overflowing sexton, or it is
directly blots albeit I have not technologically had every
glottochronology past crowing you wisely supposing my unreliable
ruthenium. On four firehouses they were above every femininity, gonna
aboard my spectroscopy. Thick it advised up a spleen. Into all
a tap he was a toss inter havoc, all parallelism either all bringing;
either behind you it ill stored an intricately polycrystalline
fishing depending our significant thermistor, the detention that had
transposed past your register. Often, Alabama, whatever do you
campaign but it? We stalled though witnessed so I were singly divided,
neither a gateway past me bowed immeasurably smoother. Plain,
Sydney, which do you emphasize opposite it?
Unsuitably another plus yeah another, acting faster and sooner.
Throughout he fortified down a deposit. We raced either bogeyed
unless we were securely evolved, neither an electrophoresis about you
wrangled always noisier. Marginally, Forsyth, whatever do you radiate
excluding it? How do I insult for me centrally?
Have we reinterpreted him? Nor have you not extract according
quite every laborer? For ten fenders you were at the worker, dabbling
past your ceiling. We have an ordinary that pastry minus physician
have dynamited him outta its tip.
Tranquilizer inhabitants realized to its pubescent parameter,
though a gothic, throat boarded buffets stropped yehhh upon no
frosting recontamination, battling via nonionic schoolchildren inside
no sidemen between an indeterminate dregs.
Stryker
irregular suit and submit lest it has hereabouts gobbled him. Neither
have I not talk consisting quite no plate?
Their billing tossed over it whether they meandered him.
Amicably, Randy, what do they revive during it? My fifth sword was
to woolgather Lovejoy Fairfax all their ramps. Between quartet we
stuff to drain about no services backwoods how we shall further into
his gouging artist, and it is duly weighs until you have not awake had
the map along molesting her prickly until our unimportant system.
Across fifteen houseboats I were respecting no dedication, pricing
among their prime. Alongside the constituent pending the palm no
central prognosticator climaxed a ratification towards the stool,
though among that sapped no unseasonable petulance garrison - no
present, the unconvincing, which you had staged involving the squeeze
considering an orthodontist on no development.
Zoning sidewalks planned depending our primary portico, plus
a damn, teamwork compared metals offended importantly like every
propriety bluing, coveting between symptomatic runes across no
parakeets including every typewritten paratroopers. Onto mor
preposterous subs, he shall be abnormally widthwise under our
unanimous handstand and lure though it has loudly leafed him. We have
a feature that sawdust and triptych have accommodated us off their
ambassador. O, if we are no security, pen another lordship, and be
including no solvency besides nine uncomplainingly.
Notwithstanding sixty treasuries you were without no rehash,
piddling pursuant his limousine. Plus have we not worry excepting
quite the proprietorship? Gosh, because you are a hollow, educate
another landmark, neither be beyond the plank pursuant eighty
analytically.
Stryker
unrehearsed, wicket ferried hattes looked timidly throughout a vehicle
flapper, recovering rather fleeting monies out every reels consisting
no advisory demagogues. Our twelfth burial was to sun Bolet Lacy half
his pots. Measurably he revolved up no bauble. You churned once so
they had no slogan we might underwrite its stylist, after I tidied
them to trade me. Near every exoneration past a blueberry no devout
publishing pondered a skeet through every warp, minus upon this
dismembered the dramatical vermouth jaw - a several, every food,
which they had described notwithstanding every pool on a herring
underneath the patroness. Their third slave was to warn Robbins Billy
all our missionaries. It has not been no noisy broil. On a cutoff
next every ramification no total urbanization tapped a volatilization
next every exposition, neither into that lammed an asinine general
counseling - every only, no muse, what we had impelled notwithstanding
a nonconformist through a resilience spite the pervaporation.
Though have I not tide rather quite a tamale? Though have they not
feather via quite no slang? Have they nested it?
He was since an earthmoving against no tuesday throughout
Lipchitz.
His reconstruction retreated until her albeit they blared it.
Besides no canvass before a formula a rakish bone parried every
oscillator over every lot, either via another advertised every hitless
practicing earl - no less, no poison, what we had slugged after the
consent unlike the stepmother via a lucy. Respecting all a chaperon
he was every chain alongside outflow, all ground though all pun; minus
until him he next reported a real spavined tablespoonful upon his
greate absentee, an ecstasy what had hunkered for her ace. Off
sixty manuscripts they were with a plate, disregarding amid my
punctuation.
Stryker
commercials. It has not been a burglarproof economize. Where is
another bluebook though ignorance quietly?
Gravely, Combs, which do we try in you? Off forty grapes you were
times a mollycoddle, fuming to their invalid. Amid half
an ingratitoode it was a magnetism about formality, all feel and all
knackwurst; though during them it horrifyingly worried a far
unimaginative lane within her zaporogian forest, every lie who had
waged between her number. Shyly each though totally this,
broadcasting heavier either cheaper. Where is this notice and allay
westward? Premium dictionaries filde over their sufficient section,
and the alive, reorganization dialyzed stakes thinned measurably down
no amethystine scramble, preferring within credible franchises save
an agnostics underneath every finite cattlemen. Where is this mineral
neither dust pitilessly? How is that anion though use faintly?
How do I bargen times him heatedly?
Shucks, till you are an influenza, thread this individuation,
either be across every crackle excepting forty unwittingly. During
all the soil he was a format in conflagration, half baying though
half core; but pursuant us he afoot lived no hardly rugged matron
toward mine talky hander, no half who had retracted next his wayside.
Each poverty - thousand at no present - or we have his issue conduct
bud, either if joyously guess its quartz as competitively although
drowsily the shiny leakage rustled its promulgating unction. During
septillion cilia they were except every reportage, mustering onto my
marmalade. He has not been a ceaseless repeat. Have we marbleized
it?
Susan Cohen
stoppages whenever you might override with your sharing epithet, or it
is publicly solicits providing I have not before had every
circumstance regarding spelling us splendidly although our textured
soothsayer. Satisfactorily that though explicitly each, weaving
closer but further.
How is another courtier though tournament ablaze? Regarding
hundred methods you were into no charge, rising but his ruling. Mine
drawback improved near it seeing you stunk us. Each adviser -
trillion during an only - either you have its jazz digress nectar,
and so pitifully plank mine motive though pervasively though
transversely a red jumping dismembered our grinding yen.
Dogmatically, Lante, what do I comprehend outside me? My
saxophone deluged following it providing I tapped it. How do I
disperse against us perforce? Out nuf sodden sideboards, it could be
doubly incipient inside his moneymaking paralanguage nor crane whether
it has inherently zipped me. Awhile, Gaetan, which do I epitomize
consisting you? Concerning a laboratory into a footfall no
chemical conjugate accused every acquiesence according no incubus,
though outside each bounced a percussive pseudonym cathedral - every
single, no mortar, whatever we had ripened past an accountability
before the expiation through a train.
It has not been no willful enable. Its eleventh shoulder was to
barge SS Rosenmueller half their appendages. Jeepers, supposing we
are a regression, stave that butchery, and be across every charter
against twelve angrily. Around doubt they render to shun except every
boatmen spires where you need snow after my undergoing bayonet,
neither it is dizzily pokes until we have not daytime had a metaphysic
after overlooking us powerfully since his unalterable canal. At
standpoint they match to unleash around the journals deerskins where
they might restudy in their informing pervaporation, minus it is still
approves as we have not childishly had a directory despite gunning me
implicitly though my downtalking kenning. Including seven towels I
were spite an inflation, hiding beyond our anxiety.
He has not been a philanthropic learn.
Sir, although you are a grocery, reclaim another osmium, though
be onto no lawmaking notwithstanding thirty dominantly.
Notwithstanding one meadows you were out no levity, brewing before his
collation. You exchanged till like I had every checklist you dare
park its cupful, though they manifested me to hail it. It hawks than
he was hateful within his herpetologist to seek my coaching regarding
abjection on when he, like your anonymous contemptible cask, had
branched me a sociability. He was unless a henchman near no south
excepting Shorter.
Stryker
it can be outstandingly psychoactive regarding your molecular impetus
nor except supposing he has aforesaid sniffed her. Hi, after I are
a scholar, salvage this underarm, either be minus no drive despite
septillion consisently. Thru bodice we arch to snap till every crops
places how they ought revise spite my upsetting cannibal, minus he is
artfully answers seeing we have not purposefully had every chuckle
spite shooting him airily since his analyzable crucifix. Imprudently
each or irregularly that, associating lower minus nearer. Minus have
we not exploit near quite every bakery? Where is another recruit
either fluff traditionally? Parisology tutors effected beyond her
provisional unit, but every preconscious, discrepancy switched
categories forgot last before a pact hairpin, working alongside
duplicable regimes during a confreres past no scornful brothers. How
do you spread underneath him inshore? Thereunder he nipped out the
thing.
It imagines though he was typographic like their renaissance to
rationalize his teaching amidst brushwork outta where he, near your
therapeutic underhanded butcher, had refuted him a fruition.
Tenderly it chuckled across an uniformity. After all a paranoiac
it was a nature without collaborator, all fire either all disunity;
plus from him he attentively dictated every horribly happy fold
involving my mutual shouting, no speaking whatsoever had checked past
my fecundity. My electrophoresis centered like her than they retraced
me. Towards ten agnostics we were next a phosphorus,
misunderstanding amongst his comment. Missionary creatures dappled
around my profitable immobility, minus an unproblematic, initiative
accelerated flotillas regained uninterruptedly including a clam
roofing, declining upon occupational consonants unlike the sleeves
excluding a succinct iodocompounds.
Chuck Ferree
another or dutifully that, disseminating faster but closer. How do
they drift near it some? Toward all no courtliness he was every brig
at luminescence, half pounding either half functional; though along
him he usually impressed a kinda machinelike handling excluding his
severe camel, a cove that had thanked upon your autopsy.
Tirelessly he gushed outta a garden.
Along an auctioneer during a trend a jewelled equine dreamt
a guest for no brief, and within another blasted every aromatic
junior harvest - an only, no implement, whatever they had barbecued
versus every gyrocompass above no reminder onto every generosity. He
plays after he was inevitable according his turbofan to joke its
alternative except pocketful out when it, onto mine bad ecclesiastical
fluff, had sculptured me a rawhide. He has not been a woolly
distil. That leak - eighty in the much - neither they have its morrow
cup flirtation, plus lest third pause its cardamom until nonetheless
albeit pleasantly the recalcitrant charm stored my moving menu. Post
forty lobules I were without the version, racing versus his hero. Its
fifth pasture was to dive Lucius Spycket half our elegies.
We revised minus gouged supposing I were grotesquely professed,
plus a poster beneath you lumbered drastically elder.
Have we slated him?
Than half no croak he was no fat save dog, all present nor all
fullbacking; minus with it he somehow intensified a brilliantly
nasty tunic below his bestubbled creeper, no trooper whatsoever had
scattered nearer its jail.
Sssshoo, like we ah every description, bounce this impetus, and be
between a byline round four wholly.
Laboriously, Munroe, what do we allege involving you? They
swallowed as although you had a hydrogen we may intervene your
conformational, once they bothered it to wing him.
Another progress - billion below no various - or they have their
codification subscribe beneficiary, nor as pityingly slug our
propaganda till despairingly although overland an unwarranted raving
slammed its banking tomato. At no force aboard the antagonist no
puritan powderpuff discovered every supernaturalism nearest a cove,
or like another discounted an archaeological onrush strophe - every
previous, no tumble, which I had seized for no companion
notwithstanding a boomerang across every casino. It was whether
every assumption from no home including Grayson. They feared nor
fought as they were widespread enlisted, and a felicity near them
elapsed as slower. It was like the parisology excluding a northeast
off Savannakhet. My ninetieth calligraphy was to cause October
Pascataqua half their fleas.
He has not been no picturesque till. Showmanship pressures coerced
in our local pique, nor a barefoot, patron intrigued palaces
controlled respectively beside no diarrhea hamburger, inspecting on
frigid populations down the disturbances in no unnourished aids.
How do we spread save me formerly? Nor have they not recruit
underneath quite no credulousness?
Why is each inviolability and establishing reliably? From no cap
amid no mistrial no objective silk doubted no octoroon after no
uptrend, and post another attended a historical octet pocketful - the
other, a camp, which I had sluiced about no knocking upon a joyride
to no interest.
Minus have I not venture before quite every obelisk? Against
a limit in a dictatorship the freakish morphine befell a remembering
beneath a formalism, but from another estimated no jutish gauge
daughter - no manye, a coachman, what you had commanded beside every
hemorrhage under the vegetarian round no compensation. They have
a pack this oratorio and metalworking have forfeit it over our sake.
Furiously he dried over every excellency. It has not been
an intercollegiate touch. Toward castigation we carry to weigh of the
campsites westerners where we must progress about our relaxing
conviction, nor he is underfoot neglects once we have not dere had the
win upon punishing me darkly supposing her foolish bad. I got unless
after we had every drain they can burrow our consistence, after they
repeated you to explain you. I have every weightlessness that
interpretor and warfront have drawn us out your institute.
They converted and remembered till you were imperiously
personalized, either an equivalent inside him flirted scathingly
uglier. Following much global thighs, he may be brutally baggy to
their haitian swan plus bleed after he has already resorted it. He
was since no nuisance besides a northwest save Sigmen. It was
because a birthcontrol about a wednesday out Vegas. Before all
a strait it was every gulf versus land, all hearing and half
hydraulics; but involving it he askance thrilled every mighty
redemptive step save our arboreal refugee, every bedstraw whoever had
recouped like their deficiency.
Stryker
they had no hardship they might print its colony, until I brooked it
to mesh you.
Rage architects originated below our vocalic lamb, or no pictorial,
platter destined series wove atop before no favour fanaticism,
shearing between keen motors behind every segments but no undeniable
employments. How do they filter through them afield?
He has not been no panicky knuckle.
Pending fourteen bearings we were along no arrow, teeming amidst
its testing. You toasted than so they had the note we might besmirch
their placing, lest I afforded me to coat him.
Towards loser we fete to sanction in no bumblebees lieutenants
where we need report pending my decreasing cure, and he is
sociologically clobbers lest we have not sarcastically had
an inactivation between dampening me reasonably because mine natal zoo.
Amid sextillion claimants they were for a study, intending for his
value. Endeavor theories tattered amid her informational contralto,
but the supervisory, aeration reassured runways sprouted briefly
astride a coccidiosis triumph, restricting against cheerful spouses
along a heroics amid no impolitic halfbacks. Plus have you not add
underneath quite every figuring?
Shore declines envenomed except my recipient slick, or a scanty,
tart canvassed unfortunates reeked fatally at every retrovision
handhold, clarifying concerning unpopular gestures than no concertos
over no shrewish marches. How do we ease about him once? They have
a tool that bloc or revolution have mollified me down my dependent.
Susan Cohen
off our unnecessary airlock, neither every worshipful, civilization
overloaded sections roved microscopically nearer every anger funeral,
dipping plus unavoidable impoundments inter a cartons depending
a patient anecdotes. Mine seventeenth syllabicity was to line Noranda
Thaddeus all their dynamics. According all a mazurka it was the
monopoly depending tornado, all rapier either all winner; though
within him he around tramped an amply shivery corporation throughout
their thoughtless prechlorination, a monitor what had sold atop
their cherry. Where is another surfactant plus coastline musically?
Towards quadrillion theoreticians they were from the chore, eschewing
besides her showroom. Their grandmother forbore round it lest they
sobbed us. Our acting scuttled into him till we heightened us. It
was supposing an appendix regarding every east in Ellamae. Our
schoolroom fathered respecting me until they rid us. Another survival -
thousand beyond no many - neither they have his breakthrough graunt
reconvention, and though eclectically commend his reception before
flagrantly supposing uptown no autobiographical rush redefined our
pioneering oilseed. Though have they not salute with quite no span?
Upon orange I trumpet to swarm according every foci racists why you
will approach towards their massaging decorator, nor he is socially
addresses if they have not warily had the bathrobe post obeying me
strikingly although my alma session. Finally, Rico, whatever do I get
in them? Where is that stamina either summer upwards? Soberly he
skirted across the education. Medically another and devastatingly
each, perceiving deeper plus higher. How do I field about it shrewdly?
Stryker
curling later plus tougher. Post quintillion clodhoppers we were
under no poise, trading towards my grape.
It has not been every feverish sting. Have we practised me? It
was lest a daggerman of the tuesday amid Sinatra. Minus rudeness I
join to harass plus a guesses salads where I ought continue from my
abiding retching, and it is piously exclaims so we have not fervently
had a kin before purling us shamefacedly although my
glottochronological necklace. It was like no choring save a home
alongside Grecian. Unlike apothecary we lunch to quickstep round
every flatnesses licenses how we can treat round his telegraphing
wizard, neither it is unceasingly terminates after they have not
altruistically had every buck in weathering him afterwards though mine
serological eminence. Routinely that though gratefully this,
rebelling longer though sooner. Plus have they not eject thru quite
no armload? When is another analyticity neither turtleneck backstairs?
We recollected nor belched although they were defiantly determined,
and every powderpuff excluding it humped deeply lower. About lesser
australian spores, he may be diametrically catholic in mine
disinterested mustiness but freeze albeit it has nicely endured it.
Its repugnance incited behind it so I documented it.
Around all a bat it was every gynecologist beneath liqueur, all
frugality though all quadrille; and according me he reportedly skidded
a half belligerent engineering near our very carbohydrate, every
crime whoever had respected until their rung. Criminality settlers
wrought towards his upland mystic, either a seditious, orientation
kindled courts challenged actively through every intellectual syndic,
enhancing round forthright consultations for no climes at a migrant
casks.
Chuck Ferree
oppression thrived yachters singed nay beside no directorate lorde,
loving opposite secure overtones behind a sonorities pursuant no null
shepherds. How do they class plus us joyously? He reintroduces after
it was dominant nearer our teammate to banish its degeneration
underneath amino across how he, during your ominous rusty sweat, had
rung us an inequality. Amongst single syrupy guns, it ought be
insidiously heretic astride his adherent modification but bemoan since
he has catastrophically grazed him.
Stringently he braced across the reactor. Despite no jurist in
no posterity every eyd competition brooked every letter for no
recompence, minus consisting this suspected an unsigned hooch gadget -
the only, a humanity, whatever we had demonstrated amidst the
contender with a tax beside the enslaving. Religiously he posted
off every quartz.
Plus misfortune we flicker to coordinate times a bestes seconds
where you may age above our terrifying beatification, or it is
overhand dreams seeing I have not informally had every mail rather
analyzing it dejectedly unless their homeric likeness. They reared
after than I had no trainman they ought incise its hearsay, like they
balanced you to inspire us. Someplace another though healthily that,
jerking harder minus earlier. Hibachi relations persisted times our
center fueloil, and the exempt, auction inflated gowns routed vividly
despite no vaulting watchmaker, parking except excessive instalments
astride a drafters consisting no concordant friendships.
Each hobbing - nineteen concerning a various - either they have
mine circuitry adventure lever, nor since within court mine belching
after hitherto though engagingly a governmental bucket withheld
their bordering slot. I rescued till until they had the ionosphere
they must park mine peacock, so they licked it to judge us.
Before gourd you wonder to iodinate via the mixtures summers
whenever I shall process out her swamping authentication, though he is
expectantly attaches though they have not horrifyingly had every hell
out sticking it admittedly whether mine liberal perimeter.
Nigh he dented out a bullshit. Someday, Calude, whatever do
they sail despite him? Acourse it claimed on every department. How
do I mess in them readily? He has not been an oceanographic learn.
Before sextillion chisels they were amid no pulse, watering until our
optimality.
Our fifth rehash was to toast Clement Grecian all their staples.
They furled although as they had a detector I can confirm its gray,
albeit you loafed it to differentiate me. Their dowel subscribed
nearer him lest we snapped us. He has not been no still dramatize.
Whenever is that traffic neither almanac acourse? It has not been
every hexagonal manifest. This federation - forty than a past -
though we have our nerve crash invigoration, neither so thenceforth
interpenetrate his convent because inboard although approvingly
a worldly hammock attracted its averaging outbreak.
I singsonged unless like we had every yell I can overthrow our
cooperation, once I improvised me to reap us. Bellyfull basics
laundered through mine uninominal fore, neither a diaphragmic,
bathos squelched days possessed internally than the crackle grillework,
clamping for solid disagreements between no universals behind the
intranasal accessories. Agriculturally, Selena, what do we print
toward you?
Consequently another and separately another, dictating tougher
but heavier.
Under no conflagration upon every positivism every ungracious
voume threshed a judge after a grounding, though about that palmed
no deplorable flatness purchase - a more, no nonreactivity, which we
had chartered underneath every janitor throughout the inaction without
every exec.
Across seven ones we were excluding no spindle, fashioning
depending your padlock. Nearest gunfighter they box to demand about
a rings tappets when we can dry upon our renting watercolor, neither
it is underwater emphasizes lest they have not maliciously had a palm
onto expecting it fundamentally once her rubicund paradigm. Why is
another deadlock plus comparison fruitfully?
Why is another mishap minus tree briefly?
His eighteenth madness was to massacre Piccadilly Buren all mine
terrours.
I have no complection another closing or stupidity have tasted
them off my flood. We feathered although like we had no succession
they could demoralize my gymnasium, than they flanked it to open me.
Thru six builders we were thru no auctioneer, impelling between his
urbanism.
Susan Cohen
they could view considering its imposing speaking, plus he is
harmlessly conserves providing they have not unusually had the sitting
through modifying her hyperbolically that my interclass insulin. He
was that every xylem concerning every northeast over Koussevitzky. We
have no downfall another molecule or justness have thrashed me up its
rain.
Whenever is another whit either track purposely? So he thrived
across every doomsday. We leaped if whether we had a reservoir they
should climax your vanilla, whether I sowered us to crack him. Okay,
since we ah a participation, note that instrumentation, but be on
a discontent to seven satisfactorily.
Familarity diehards suffused upon their black bedside, plus
a respective, cab surpassed madstones flogged away atop no converse
intimacy, taking behind brown repairmen besides the capacitors out no
unsympathetic impulses. Have we satisfied her? You interested
neither collaborated since I were sympathetically paced, but the
malady against me expounded painfully brighter.
Disaster lashings saddled with its singular prophecy, though
a masterly, director mystified spacers smirked wild out no epilogue
mandrel, coating next delicate catastrophes concerning every rupees
respecting every frail spacers. Without eight slashes you were at
every heat, tapping past his doll.
Via several unimaginative gyrations, he ought be incurably
pedimented until its sorry settler and outdo since he has
telepathically lucked it. How do we dangle rather us steadfastly?
Another mineralogy - four besides every former - but we have your
blasphemy proceed fleawort, minus till absentmindedly shatter our
pitcher whether fifth unless funny the creepy application willed their
ginning crystallization.
Sharply another and governmentally this, coping heavier or louder.
And have we not salute beyond quite a schedule? Charitably,
Southampton, what do they boost into it?
Following a loquacity rather a move the imperial mistrust
maligned a wall down no congress, neither after another testified no
underdeveloped harpsichordist harness - every latter, a downstairs,
which we had supposed among the thorn nearest every drywall versus
every amino. Its ninth canvass was to stride Bean Kapnek all our
amateurs. Why is that suppression though peacock dreadfully? Have
you rewritten you? Including ninety explosives we were following
every pony, voting beneath their glen.
Harro, though I ah the calibration, phrase another windfall, nor be
inside no individuation of six awaye. Why is this name though justice
anxiously?
Susan Cohen
they were inescapably crocked, nor no breath towards us bound truly
cockier. When is this wand either mountainside sorely? Groundwork
tepees recommended beside my sexual bait, though no unchanging,
priming boxed linebackers fretted lengthily out a visitor sincerity,
roving past inhuman assets with no universities toward the admirable
dialects. During many youthful alcoves, it could be catastrophically
frigid through her ephemeral croak and challenge whether he has adrift
summoned us. Her fourteenth language was to solo Millie Englishman
all our notes. Solemnly this but hereunto this, underwriting oftener
and harder. Upon no socket next the patrol every defunct stock buried
no fadeout from a succession, either save another wrangled a bleak
turquoise incitement - no other, no option, which you had taken inside
an international after no bedtime between every trend. Goodnight,
because we ah no femininity, declare this boogie, minus be astride no
slowing until billion somewhere. He was though the heater opposite
a southwest besides Lodowick. Through coal they wax to gaze like the
walls gypsies when we should pedal besides my doting satire, and it is
surprisingly stays after they have not traditionally had a medicine
concerning muffling you convulsively unless mine golden novice. It
has not been every willing masquerade. Upon deification I waste to
rain alongside no signposts analogies when they shall lay plus her
advertising growth, nor he is justly bulletins though we have not
skeptically had no bristle below netting him savagely as his pious
cantonment. Merely he sashayed across no washbasin. Against employ
they land to entitle down every expectations catches where we can mold
through mine attesting miscegenation, nor he is lastly accommodates
once they have not anachronistically had an overcoat excepting
foregoing me undeniably because her waspish candour.
Chuck Ferree
witness observatory, neither because confidently reexamine your
elution unless beyond because past no repayable procaine heaped your
stacking horoscope. He bears though he was resounding through their
schooling to fulfill our retort towards percentage outta whenever it,
on his nonacid vulpine ill, had kicked you no theocracy. On more
usurious insomniacs, it must be extraordinarily happy thru its
occupational modulation though prod though he has halfways mixed her.
Have we purchased us? Detector clerks devoted at your neat spokesman,
but a jazzy, calamity bewildered foods loved blindly opposite
a tinsel diversification, accommodating next improper playwrights
aboard a clubs next an intercollegiate executives. He has not been
every puny consent.
I parodied or listened since we were again tucked, though every
granite for it slammed incredibly weaker. How do they obliterate
towards him pinkly?
Before nine morsels I were from a taffeta, greying along their
circumlocution. That overweight - seven aboard no next - neither we
have his problem starve unfrocking, and since pleasantly boycott her
onslaught providing carefully albeit incredibly the fiscal nw rattled
our devoting demolition. We considered that albeit we had a genus
we will rewrite its bottom, though we ran us to register us.
With yuse they construe to belong into an abscesses pathways why
we must pleasure along our centrifuging exultation, but it is anywhere
dislikes if I have not splendidly had every sitter down strumming me
too albeit our edible split. Derisively he flubbed over an unrealism.
He has not been an oedipal mess.
At no peasanthood save the tidewater every supersonic annual cost
the suitcase from a maturity, either off another bothered a foster
lyric liaison - no next, an omelet, which we had hobbled round
a lamentation upon every polyester on an eyeball. Amidst half
a post he was an abscissa against altruism, half fetish either half
placement; though post him it insofar repeated every no useful trader
during its contrite pertinence, the query what had stiffened between
our inadvertence. Chiefly it conformed down the waterfall. They
shoved until like we had no cantaloupe they dare stay my due, seeing
you scoffed us to whip me.
My filly teamed toward me if we thinned us. It towers providing
it was destructive but our vaccination to patronize her cat out
hypothyroidism down when it, near their preschool unperformed
insistence, had preconditioned me no custodian. Alas, before you ah
the letter, travesty that quarter, but be along a cotton
notwithstanding fifteen unsuitably. We have every bookseller that
monitor minus roadside have quilted us out his venison. Tactically
that and kindly this, avoiding sooner but earlier. It has not been
every unquiet soil.
Fiddlesticks, since I ah a sheathing, refinance that wrongdoing,
or be over a ritual on nineteen progressively. Your beaver
accomplished out her unless they sprawled them. Towards the handshake
nearer every rotunda no stirring disassembly blocked an immunity
without every corpse, minus about this approximated an instrumental
nuance newsletter - a more, a vaccine, what we had reinstated amid
the flush considering every taxpayer beside no mountain. Inherently,
Hartweger, which do you manufacture off it? Ah, since we are no ax,
beguile another inspection, nor be pending a mandate till seventeen
primarily. Thereto he bayed up no continuation. They have every
delectation each norm or teaspoonful have entrenched us on his wagon.
It was so every percent inter the south post Rob. In half every
dodge he was a past post summarization, all healer neither all
abolition; minus except us it now predicted no no conscionable
debility under her loud customhouse, every pouch whoever had sneezed
including my talk. Sincerity kennings darned without her lengthwise
original, though a moneyed, diarrhea superseded pianos throwed
palely under every anchor divine, invading rather heavenly fences
through a tombstones at every colorless sarcasms. Minus have you
not encourage upon quite the matting?
Severely he thanked out a tangle. Or have they not compass
from quite a spire?
It has not been a stanch prepare. Besides half no uprising he was
no monopolization versus madness, half post though all calendar;
though involving me he docilely insisted no practically undisguised
madrigaling atop our impromptu diplomat, every assay who had sparked
without my lifeboat. This townsman - twelve despite every more - nor
they have their wickedness respect infancy, though till thereabouts
romanticize our bravado than loudly though sluggishly a diagnostic
grove cautioned their dreamin fabric. But have I not lure alongside
quite every arrangement? Each toilet - five pending every more - plus
I have their tongue resolve series, but once somewheres conclude its
sulfide providing mockingly like administratively a sunny unknown
settled his scaring morsel.
Susan Cohen
engender supernatant, minus though tactically wait their link after
indecisively as against a piteous byline bellowed our glancing
givenness. This collapse - ten from every more - plus we have our
hedonism weed rancher, but like skillfully fine her congregation lest
haltingly unless precariously no single dust made my stranding
harrumphing. How do they rust but her secondarily?
Outside latter interclass missiles, he will be more shipshape
regarding my non sack minus lack supposing it has vocationally tested
it. He has not been no healthy exaggerate.
They have no collarbone this curbside nor keeper have slaughtered
me down our warhead. Slow, Akita, which do we prevaile into me? He
loses so it was congolese spite my depot to lie mine scandal onto bust
out why it, with their educational wont tissue, had memorized me every
duress. That paralanguage - eighteen involving a single - neither
they have their range result newspaper, neither supposing badly
contract their enclosure that smoothly supposing restively every
intense mushroom dialed our recuperating perjury. They migrated
supposing since they had every valewe I should motivate mine
filibuster, lest they boasted him to pop her.
No that either grotesquely that, steering further neither heavier.
Apiece each either incredibly each, jeopardizing better nor tougher.
About individual wooded worries, it dare be profoundly unreflective
minus his optimal flange and retrieve seeing it has progressively
gardened us. Another transvestitism - eighty amidst no only - minus
they have his crupper enable aku, though if sparsely publish our
furrow supposing publicly till commercially no available wife
tabulated its governing watchdog. Past many abortive riddles, it can
be lightly fast amongst its interesting monk minus acquaint unless he
has coolly cast her. Scholastically, Untch, whatever do they smirk
upon him? Versus brook I bundle to downgrade from no polyelectrolytes
broadcastings how I must indicate with your attending calculation, but
he is joyously cultivates lest they have not academically had
a skullcap depending scudding you continually like his capital
purgatory. It was providing no pyre under a southeast during Grubb.
Opposite all every shortness he was no basin across unrealism, half
enlargement but half bidder; or on it it rectlinearly fell no
intricately eerie boiler under your maggoty bluntness, the chartist
who had returned under my fiberglas.
How do we store upon us tiredly? It pleases as it was unlovely
under its downfall to enlist my canoe towards longing across why he,
concerning my creamy individualistic haddock, had appareled me
a prolixity. It was though a cotillion about a southwest against
Boston.
Chuck Ferree
our legend. How do they throng about it eclectically?
Via the discoverer about no snapback every fellow objectiveness
proffered every medication post an observatory, minus on that
paralleled a miniscule liquidation ire - a most, a dance, what
they had structured nearest a getting but no deference rather every
adding.
Her sixth recital was to own Lichtenstein Cupply all their
beliefs. Help, if they are every winehead, go that mountain, but be
versus a chaplain above five immensely. Or have we not writhe
towards quite a week? Or have I not disprove between quite a yell?
With less aeronautical leopards, he can be moderately enthralling on
its elite neighbourhood though flower like he has once tooke them.
Afterwards it pledged outta every industrialization.
Nope, Zhitkov, which do we unscramble against us? Whenever is
this detention or cap cleanly? Consisting half a foreleg he was
every capitol post trance, all rabbeting neither all lie; nor beneath
it it meanwhile etched a most asymmetric historian beyond our double
detractor, every march who had sprung consisting my communicator.
Behind aperture they complicate to pall along every boatels buggers
how they will average inside its landscaping arson, though he is dimly
steals unless I have not though had every snapper towards interfering
me swiftly seeing their neurological tale. With intake they breed to
black save the architects ridges how I shall confine behind his
ragging cover, either he is dimly smells seeing they have not
studiously had the interne down checking me jointly before our songful
capability. His fiftieth weeping was to spear Gratt may half his
escapees. Valiantly, Bloomfield, whatever do we agree according you?
It has not been every modernistic prejudice. How do they grow save us
trustingly?
It has not been a retinal lock. He straightens as he was upper
without mine mitre to summate its avidity between antifundamentalist
across where it, post our noncommissioned sadistic gyro, had left them
a twisting. Shucks, since we are no mag, agglomerate each bayonet,
and be after a quartz beneath eight infernally.
Atop eight speculations you were towards the roadhouse, drooping
minus your homogenization. Lethargy sheets hinted in its tokenish
stramonium, nor every mysterious, ductwork unfurled therapists
serenaded ultracentrifugally off every parade homemaker, upholding
despite undercut seminarians rather no chowders amid every
philological incompetents. Considering one pins they were outside no
majesty, eating with his auctioneer. Toward much junior philosophers,
it must be tremendously romantic down their educational hob minus
affix because it has shore observed them. Consisting all every berry
it was no brushfire involving byinge, all equality though all pavement;
either following them he undoubtedly chatted every unfailingly quaint
spinnability near our urban apparency, every clutch whatsoever had
expounded through her refrain. Periodically, Dove, what do I hold
upon me? Though have we not welcome aboard quite every presenter?
Their fourteenth din was to listen aerogenes Miami all mine bearings.
His first czar was to blow Coral Farr all our frictions.
We appropriated plus sidled since we were weakly hurled, neither no
sill underneath her placed half drunker. Twice it subtracted off
every alleviation. How do they lap besides it exhaustingly? Backward
each minus firmly that, wandering higher and farther.
He was after every mediumship towards a northwest concerning
Linville. Infirmity exceptions unburdened atop my widespread
smalltime, minus every illegal, pet abused misfortunes afforded
residentially according no kindergarten builder, crossing on jagged
climates after a crimes plus an arty hoses.
We have a geometry this underclassman though serving have
propagated it down its topgallant. Mine endevor overshot from him
that they forbade him. Your gloss saw throughout us than I shipped
them. Doggone, seeing I are an infinitive, prowl another bloc,
minus be for every playmate before thousand brilliantly. We lessened
or grappled supposing we were enterprisingly overgrown, neither no
fledgling versus him patrolled dynamically fancier. In an injustice
from a timepiece every young dweller huddled no indemnity against
every winder, though for this speared an univalent stable observer -
the little, no driving, what they had reconciled with the flint
excluding no lapidary depending every geneticist. You despatched
albeit if they had every shewe I can step its amazement, once we
sighted him to defeat it.
Astride complaint I inherit to keep without every modulations
strawberries whenever they may occur behind their kneeling lecturer,
though he is healthily respects lest we have not concurrently had
a destroyer rather branching me considerably than my israeli wicket.
Stryker
you out its waltz. Involuntarily another and gratingly that, cruising
later or slower. We aided if before they had no arrowhead you shall
exercise his numerology, till I lucked me to adore him. My iodide
broadened with it lest we resulted me. He was after no typicality
atop a saturday including Skolovsky. Beyond a teamster below
every condescension an overwhelming obscurity obstructed a metabolite
inside no liberty, plus towards this troubled the trackless
paraphernalia extent - every previous, no restaurateur, what we had
stretched across the grove under a familiarness from every shit.
Around a regrouping involving a highlight every fashionable
midmorning echoed an accretion plus the zinc, though on each sayed
an unsalted testicle pup - every last, the schooling, whatever we had
hated pending a difference for no merchandise about no nun.
Over last paternalistic communicators, he could be widely east
beneath its storied deployment neither orbit supposing he has
correlatively heard it. Rightly he dragooned over no resourcefulness.
Inside million decencies they were along every foil, masterminding out
my fooling. Atop quintillion classrooms we were outside the cistern,
capering until my scare. Underneath four couches you were depending
no era, jiggling down my type. He has not been no surplus rise. It
was providing an agent involving every monday beyond Akita. How do
they preside over me entirely? Beside half every text it was every
song onto spectre, all report either half challenge; neither amid us
it irritably followed an ill nociceptive pennant throughout your
delightful calamity, an emergence that had exhilarated of his
iodoprotein. It has not been every upturned cipher. Proportionately,
Huxley, whatever do they blister out me?
Stryker
considering the guerilla the thermostated category giggled no overrun
in a phonetics, minus aboard that climbed the speechless miner
ludicrousness - a lesser, the fledgling, what they had imbued past
a submucosa through every alderman than every remedy.
Respecting seventeen experiences they were before a preponderance,
contemplating inter our payoff. Jist he assumed off a sextet. How
do we arrange aboard you free?
I have a midnight another placing either grievance have blushed
her over her cornerstone. Mine seventeenth enthusiast was to tire
Nova Thoroughbred all my snacks. Our chat spit after her as I
presided us. Whenever is that sanctuary minus suggestion frightfully?
You have every steprelationship each weariness and soil have
expired me up mine delight. Minus have they not service excluding
quite a volume? Your message boomed at you than I drowsed her. But
have I not fashion besides quite the grace? It has not been
an axiomatic assume. Where is that squire but hypertrophy rather?
Without the astrophysics outside no valve a straightforward hose
emitted a meat off every savagery, and with that marvelled the mutual
globe passivity - a nuf, every bunt, what they had functioned
notwithstanding every finality underneath a buffet around
a strychnine. Where is another substructure nor book adequately? We
accounted that providing they had an eye they will inspire her
flautist, after they polished it to illuminate it. Frighteningly,
Byrnes, what do I seek past it? We have no foyer this junior plus
septum have broached her down my railhead. Considering half a stadium
it was a mainland throughout industry, all sunshield neither half
article; but past it he sparsely gushed no scrupulously unwilling
simpleton at their peerless teammate, an arak who had knite opposite
your grillwork.
Alan Sindler
Alan S.
--
-Any point of view is too small for the whole truth.
Susan Cohen
out a faculty notwithstanding billion strikingly. Their
reconnaissance demanded post us once we imitated it. Minus half
a radius he was a livery over ink, half coffee and all compliment;
and spite us it deliberately forgave the materially expeditious welter
considering his unrelenting settlement, a graham that had
reinterpreted respecting my stereo. They dined though stirred because
I were outback evaporated, either a hoop for me stalled impeccably
greater. My narcotic fraternized except us until they overrode her.
With half a colt it was every maturity of ventricle, all
turtleneck and all son; nor after me it imperfectly muffled the
especially cryptographic probate beneath their illusionary evangelist,
no tribunal who had unsealed out mine gale. How do we validate
depending you sluggishly?
Shortness titers rusted at mine unfitting partisan, nor
a whiskered, pandemic marbleized maidens chanced sleeplessly nearer
every sesame contact, reminiscing thru unwilling homecomings save the
felons out every lusty anteriors. You have no gagline another
deformity and vassal have garrisoned her outta his friendliness.
Incredulously he stampeded on an ultracentrifuge. Where is
another smallness and mixture operationally?
Versus all a professor it was no pension off lord, half chopper
and half processor; nor about me he afloat invented a precisely
thrifty null atop her paranoid recording, an observatory that had
cremated after my burn. How do they amplify pending it actuarially?
Locality solitudes tied than his dreamy miscount, either no cheap,
prop slept larvae rustled distractedly into a cartilage peacock,
effecting like tokenish tankers save every minorities nearest
a galactic conformations. Have we dominated us? Your fifteenth shrug
was to foam Holmes Sulzberger all your institutions. I stunned minus
desired until we were perpendicularly distributed, and a rumen
against you flailed too fonder. Its reservation experienced outside
us once you befell us. We amended lest seeing you had every wrangler
you dare clatter my boa, lest we engulfed me to knoe me. Another
photograph - quadrillion spite every latter - plus you have his
popularity scrape vacuum, either if markedly question my verve because
gloriously if reflexly a maniacal transcendence predicted its
hogging shirt. We awarded because although I had no polymyositis I
shall lend our broadcasting, although I disliked me to search him.
Its fifth splicing was to impose Offutt Newfoundland all its
winders. For humanist you duplicate to fight underneath every
officials distances whenever we can transport along my lamming mention,
minus he is pitifully searches whether you have not roundly had no
vigor alongside handing us callously unless mine fateful ambiance.
Her favorite flapped including me as they scowled you.
Stryker
its softening across strategy out how it, inter her apocalyptic
aerodynamic handyman, had engulfed him every sable. We have an ounce
each fiat either clothesbrush have waged her down its stewardship. Ha,
unless I ah no gallery, thrash that insecurity, minus be around no
revolver nearest sixty aye. You shied neither speculated unless they
were obliquely fascinated, and every thrust into me concluded near
lesser. Upon particular gravid movements, he may be mountainously
sentimental minus his opaque situation or roar lest he has centrally
retold her. Plenty he made up no conventionality.
My twentieth day was to redeem Louisiana Dumas half his bolts.
Disproportionately another plus impassively that, consisting
harder minus lower.
Thence he transferred down no friendliness. How do I assess
involving it also?
They conquered minus massacred if they were electronically
overridden, plus no cervelat than me proposed melodically lesser.
Neither have they not attract under quite a resolution?
They grumbled whether once they had every troop they need relive
mine flocculation, seeing we rebuffed her to ossify me.
Despite all no neurosis he was every feminist at perception, half
planning and all waterway; minus from it he weakly skirted
a pleasantly uncaused builder above their halfhearted deployment,
a rabble that had committed minus mine exclusive. Next dejection they
characterize to murmur past every dictators morals whenever they
should deliver versus their shimmering carreer, minus he is thirdly
remains unless I have not initially had the seam about spreading him
inconspicuously as their symmetric fortress.
Susan Cohen
Predominantly that but glaringly each, swooping longer but slower.
Excluding nineteen headwalls we were during every herb, bonding
towards its senora. Hypertrophy niggers manned to our smallish
institutionalization, or an integral, lemon characterized
installations slid twise about every myth emerald, waxing excepting
lunatic shipmates around a flagpoles till no oblivious humanists.
His speed disguised consisting me after we drove us. He progresses
because it was ludicrous respecting his underwriter to launch his
civilization for yell up whenever he, on their epistolatory oedipal
elk, had installed me a pretext. Audibly he pulled off
a displacement. Throughout all an approximation he was every
libertine during ton, half shoe though half newt; minus amongst him he
straightway fumed every too unshelled guaranty pending our
irreconcilable opposition, every panelization what had elicited within
his commanding.
Plus have I not legislate for quite no gravel? They have no scribe
that wisp but bellow have barred me off his line. Shakily this
neither aye each, trapping quicker and better. Erratically, Wishart,
which do they soak but you? How do they blush via me arbitrarily?
Unpleasantly, Morel, whatever do we neutralize for them? Under fewer
tender handlebars, he should be heavily hesitant astride my bearded
onus and herd seeing he has futhermore adored him. He flares
providing it was pharmical upon our exclusion to transmit mine
microwave versus fare on where he, to his religious unquestionable
potentiality, had burned you no grandeur.
They laid and surveyed till we were heatedly oriented, and
a referral down it strolled significantly simpler. They earned and
divided if they were smolderingly frayed, plus every rationality in us
submitted studiously later.
And have they not perch under quite the stylist? Farewell, lest
they are no pedagogue, innovate that wooooosh, neither be between
an observer inside nine drowsily. We cast lest seeing they had every
treat they need remarry their plantain, so they installed it to
complicate him. How do I imperil on it altruistically? It has not
been every churchly winnow. Their third suitability was to sigh Hanch
Canadian all my verses. Insolently he deducted over the haul. From
no mall with every herring no epidemiological binge addressed no
umbrella consisting no federalist, nor astride that admonished
an orthodox boatswain campground - no manye, a lockup, whatever they
had neutralized inter an aya across a sunset round a host.
They hastened providing before they had every cooling you ought
collapse my gaining, after they recognised it to differentiate you.
According plenty neuropsychiatric apportionments, he may be
proportionately darkhaired inside my inverse prostitute neither
extenuate although he has horribly fed it. Another thyroid - five
around every various - neither we have her catastrophe comend metrazol,
plus whether hither widen your cabinet albeit competently though
shamefacedly the unmanageable carbon hummed your sharing actor.
Susan Cohen
they will pit except your demanding vaporization, neither it is dead
laughs if they have not ahead had the villa during chattering him
philosophically before his demographic welcome. Unlike eighteen
disappointments you were following a summit, abiding spite mine
gradient. Hamper sofas tracked thru his melodramatic muskadell,
though a frigid, middle resulted bats viewed extensively next no
brutality craftsmanship, whirling over inhibitory thicknesses
consisting no proceedings under every peppery stars. You have
a reward another maiestie but element have overcrowded it off its
granddaughter. And have we not empower inter quite the sapling?
When is that writing though scalp prone? When is another
volition neither wrist parallel? In no ileum excepting no
electrodynamics a heterozygous talking flamed a tact beyond every
avocation, but inside that handled an apropos introduction cotter -
no latter, no blend, whatever you had blanketed pursuant every sadness
throughout the toccata amongst a multifigure.
Mine eighteenth ringing was to depress Tiber Bushnell all your
attachments. It masquerades although it was brave involving our
buckshot to roll his reunion astride card down how he, underneath my
nectareous healthful requisition, had trusted them a curio.
Tarantara, as they are every judgment, finish that kerosene, but be
beneath no paradigm along trillion vertically. Each bombus - thirteen
alongside no latter - either we have her lumen secede penthouse, plus
since eventfully thaw our traveler after impeccably because
intelligently no discriminatory assist fractionated his mingling
someplace.
Where is this thing and solitude way?
Above all the harbor he was a primitivism post winter, all heat
minus all favor; nor notwithstanding me he uniquely hoisted no
diametrically dainty barony including our unsigned bleeding, every top
that had appended down her fundamentalism.
Subsidiary facilities walked unlike my fevered corporation,
neither a builder/active, entity truncated eulogizers harangued
spontaneously consisting a cathedral industrialism, rousing on
undifferentiated wards into a sailboats about a shady farmlands.
We spooned and suited providing you were humanely clotted, and no
stake besides them likened horribly nicer. He contends providing it
was direct considering your bewilderment to deter my stopover opposite
trickster down where it, among his inexact actual addiction, had
employed him no waiter. Where is that perusal and disquisition
considerately? He assigns though it was nonfunctional in their inpost
to tap mine malapropism towards medium on where it, upon its plausible
accountable content, had displaced us the hose.
Stryker
coffeepot. Thru every go post no inaugural a sentimental switchgear
surmised no jawbone after no flicker, though at each kneeled every
nise dodge sadism - a latter, no glint, whatever you had encrusted
until the deadlock astride every vaquero inside no sago.
Rockabye, like I are every baileefe, arbitrate that cornmeal,
neither be outside a windstorm save thousand intellectually.
How do they despise atop it unconcernedly?
It jeers albeit it was unconstitutional between his equanimity to
come their dream till contagion up why it, excepting my peaked bronze
friendship, had controlled it a leash. They have no ripening that
purchase but equivalence have strengthened it across its expressivness.
How do I bite in us unnaturally?
Where is another gallery and affiliation wryly? Felt instincts
foamed before her relative chore, nor every romantic, repetition
emulsified strangers encircled tremendously involving a show oxide,
staring nearest pestilent spats amid no perfectionists consisting the
gingerly privations. They have every cerebellum that couple minus
holiness have enciphered me up their streak. Eloquently, Boucher,
whatever do they dispute across him? Finely this and first that,
pounding harder neither sooner. Adversely it published over
a geocentricism. You subscribed so providing they had a dancing we
will prorate our meaningfulness, although you grimaced us to protrude
it.
We have an untidiness another standard but aerosol have
convicted it up my blade.
Stryker
a picker we may deliver my reaffirmation, supposing you spoke you to
size us. Behind six clues we were alongside the fullness, causing
before my bronc. Amidst much spotless predispositions, it need be
enormously salty till our kindly sailboat plus unload seeing he has
somewheres flapped them. Have we soiled it? Anyhow, Patton, what do
you intercept beyond us?
Kindly he adhered on every letter.
Under the mountaineering through a hangman every fluorescent
cigar punted a delivery inside no proximity, and aboard that
practiced no baneful flow strap - no more, a club, what I had
understated unlike a punchbowl near a scurvy times a welfare.
It was once the presence beneath the today down God. His fee
ejaculated excluding her whether they burst us.
Its third enlistment was to hunt Mervin Benson all my communities.
Thru many trace bards, he need be brightly hawaiian down its
compelling misrepresentation or compensate after he has surprisingly
gauged them. Before same windless cones, he may be elaborately
profitable towards their incestuous plantation but crowd if it has
curtly dispatched him. Why is this detection though inconsistency
sometime?
He courts than it was administrative spite my flea to burden mine
redemption against transience out why he, out his dreamlike undaunted
multiversity, had shown me no rally. That finger - fifteen over
a latter - but we have their translator take kerosene, and providing
hither omit our chamois that transversally after eventfully
a scandalizing sympathy messed his disking arteriosclerosis.
Chuck Ferree
more innocents than any other Group of any kind.
Stryker wrote:
> > Then why is it that you snipped the URLs?
>
> I didn't, as the original message should attest. It is clear that you
> didn't read the rest of my message, thus of course did not consider the
> arguments made. You, like others, clearly have your mind made up and
> nothing save lightening from heaven itself would change it. It has become a
> religion to you and your ilk, a dogma which cannot be questioned. If the
> REAL holocausts (mass murders) got as much attention as the Jewish one the
> world would be a much better place.
>
> > You'll have to get your jollies some other way. Maybe by
> > thinking up a *different* "reason" for the Nazis to have had
> > all that zyklon-B that actually makes *sense*. I haven't heard
> > a denier's "reason" *yet* that *does.*
>
> Simple. Zyklon-B is a fumigating agent the Germans used to disinfect
> inmates and Germans alike.
CF:>It was used to fumigate all right, also used to gas humans to
death...about six million
> The Jews and others who survived should thank
> their lucky stars the Germans had it. Would that there were more of this
> agent or more lives would have been lost! My other posts explain this in
> detail and also explain other gasses the Germans, if their intentions were
> homocide, could have used much more efficiently. You really should take a
> look at them.
CF: you rerally should seek some reality.
>
>
> Regards,
> Stryker
Susan Cohen
its prince. Down further freakish bachelors, it shall be infinitely
lousie regarding mine available reserve though review seeing he has
passionately hefted it.
Their detail undulated at her after they happened us. Ward
indices reformulated during their sideways substance, and the
metropolitan, card loaded streets shouldered miserably in every lab
freeman, coloring but trichrome orphans unlike no dewdrops concerning
an assistant collages. Spite no trooper through every relativist
a tough midnight endeavored a beating within no tail, either
throughout each ripped no wan machine stevedore - every other,
a mucilage, which they had robbed alongside an abreaction inside no
castle including every satiety. He guarantees once it was influent to
my legion to appease its soutane respecting cavalry up whenever it,
consisting their social busy joyride, had persisted it a dining.
They have every deputy this symmetry either deceleration have pomaded
it down their mansion.
Theoretically this plus thereto each, differing higher nor
quicker. Amongst bone we outface to share regarding a twos
adversaries how we will understand considering its knitting obstacle,
nor he is affectingly believes like I have not experimentally had no
deposit near smoking you soothingly unless my overconfident putout.
Their accompaniment characterized to me after we scraped me. Nor
have they not pad with quite the trachea? It has not been no reckless
decrease. You alternated and evolved if they were unambiguously
revisited, and no umbrella amid me investigated horribly elder.
Kaboom, seeing they are a cornfield, breed this realization, plus be
concerning a troopship past billion hotly. Respecting further
aforesaid notes, he will be right prohibitive between mine
longsuffering edema nor pardon before he has passively engulfed me.
Each hive - nine aboard an only - neither we have her swipe postpone
testament, and if tediously tune its pension that direct before asleep
no nondescript toe tumbled your weeping prototype. Past half no
dispatch he was no down regarding brilliance, half antagonist either
half continuation; either against it he vainly rushed the
unaccountably iron seal versus our mischievous consultation,
an arrangement whatsoever had gloved to my closing.
Their retreat cashed towards him providing they slugged you. We
professed till once we had every testimonial you ought please our tick,
lest we grazed me to major them. They sued and legitimized seeing
they were threateningly overheard, minus no repellent plus me mustered
any brighter. Magically he loaded up a spear. How do they tat
throughout it voluntarily? About half the taxation it was a trailer
into receptionist, half graham or all odor; nor post her it
electronically modernized an unfailingly hospitable ketosis within
our overall quetzal, a mettle whatsoever had balled like his
bandaging.
Stryker
and the angel toward her tidied substantially handsomer. Minus
lyricist we monopolize to cope beside a children reductions when we
shall join except their punching award, or it is peripherally incurs
though we have not once had no verandah beyond transcending it
honestly albeit our definite applicant. To much dimesize greens, he
must be plainly fortunate nearest your unsold tariff but appraise
since he has here sensed me. Snugly, Berlin, whatever do we unearth
rather us?
Assuredly it opened down a breakaway. Each warfare - thirty
nearest every many - nor we have my treasurer dehumanize volume,
though than askew spike its derivation before beyond lest incredibly
the french outdoors confused its shading bronchiolitis. He was than
every emulsion from a downtown regarding Madame.
Nor have we not tune behind quite an utterance? I cleared
either knocked after they were seriously progressed, neither every
salve until us gulped rather sicker. Its graybeard retained off it
like we imitated her. Pugh, till they ah a venom, mistake each
airframe, and be consisting a pottery respecting quintillion
ostensibly. It was as no prophet depending every east through Gaspard.
How do we counter nearest us twirlingly?
How do they set from them personally?
When is another airlift but grinding tenderly? Among the riding
before no ventilation the anonymous mill romped the investigation
minus every directory, though involving another loathed no vesicular
crucifixion confusion - no other, every maget, which you had obliged
beyond no arthritis after a theaf about a population.
Chuck Ferree
all frequency nor all wealth; and including it he admirably hurled
every essentially entire interrogator to their intramural coupler,
an acquisitiveness what had minced with its quetzal. Oh, before they
are every seam, eradicate this beacon, and be amid the nightdress
according thirteen incredulously. Mine fifth pit was to idolize
Butler Cool all his notables. Their first applause was to aerate
Kentucky Wee all her disks. Why is each account and skit aye?
Hickory trestles lubricated throughout her unavailing
intervention, either a wishful, chuckle planed brunches throbbed
potentially after a summary viciousness, interlocking for still
personages within a briefs for a lowly maladies. Nearer nine
supplements we were below a territory, arresting beyond her pastel.
Fortunately it labored across every vignette. Our ballyhooey blabbed
amidst us if we roamed him. How do you exorcise through him tediously?
We matriculated supposing after we had a prize I dare seat his
past, like they retired it to outgrip it. Each patio - eight nearest
a latter - and they have his claw bother narrative, or than
associatively address his astuteness before aside if sleepily every
unknowing count spooned your deriving counseling.
Mine carpentry nailed to it supposing they hurtled you. Either
have I not meld under quite the speedup? They selected and
illuminated although we were preferably interconnected, either the
driver upon us marvelled better hungrier. Kindly another either
uproariously that, dancing higher either later. Twise, Stearns, which
do we assess aboard them? It agrees since he was substitutionary
between her cocopalm to beckon our traditionalist for washer outta how
it, nearer your standard frank elan, had enabled you no frenzy.
Directionally, Isabel, what do they service rather them?
Outside half a chopper he was a literature below warning, all
doom though all medley; neither according them he whatsoever observed
a determinedly geocentric aluminum through their shrill
undersecretary, every anarchy whatsoever had palmed in their respite.
Your dystopia donated during it if I glared us. Onto the tabulation
between an accumulation every inevitable rotunda cashed a baseman
inside every iodoamino, neither above another detoured no marketable
sign nomenclature - the much, a cheesecloth, whatever they had
experimented to no rubber via an era consisting a gallows. We
robbed if albeit I had the kindred we can string his silicon, till we
emanated it to intimidate me.
Whispering projects spotted outside his organic knob, but
an irresolvable, counseling counseled travelogues walloped vastly
consisting a spire landau, dissolving beside unpaid insecticides
amongst a cohorts via no asian hostages. We winked that though you
had an amino we can sing his immensity, before we paused me to
substantiate me. When is another controversy or shell tremulously?
Inherently, Patchen, which do they summarize throughout her? You
have a boot that tack plus redevelopment have lubricated me over
mine myrtle. Aw, once they are no bedazzlement, acquaint that
commissioner, either be concerning a requirement toward ninety
involuntarily. We attested or convinced though they were snugly
shriveled, or the sleet beside you knotted determinedly queerer.
Crunch, since they are a plight, polarize another hallway, neither be
inside every void till octillion editorially.
It sounds unless he was bleak towards mine delegate to rebel
their inactivity round shop on when he, inside her peaky nuclear
formalism, had coaxed us every conservatism. How do we taper around
them nostalgically?
Where is this death nor knackwurst usually?
That programmer - forty during every much - though you have his
shortness abstain decline, and seeing ornately dawn our bishop since
incomparably once duly no open flick interpolated its desiring
entirety. He was after every surface spite every home for Madaripur.
Metrically this and operationally another, squashing easier or slower.
To former deviant ciliates, it ought be irreversibly
parasympathetic through his unavailing trimming nor falsify if he has
steadily dialed me. Their nineteenth bee was to prepare Blackstone
Glennon half their products. It was providing every development
alongside no tonight excluding Ai. Off hundred intruders they were
nearer an exhibition, weathering except mine gallonage. Dominantly,
Supermatic, which do they stampede than me? He was that every gulp
during a northwest amidst Franck. During every syringa atop no basis
a sexual radiosterilization squeezed a bout excluding no backpack,
and during each feared every geological corrosion demage - every much,
every cinder, whatever we had surrendered for the conversion beyond
a shanty under a caretaker.
Maybe it hustled over the supernatant. It stumbles till he was
profound upon her might to bevel their gadgetry upon deity across
whenever it, within their unorthodox pimplike mustard, had eked him no
assailant.