Voltaire, Abe Lincoln, & Mussolini
Doug Bashford
"So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom,
those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active
and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any
number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon
sleeping men."
-- Voltaire 1694 – 1778
"Corporations have been enthroned. An era of corruption
in high places will follow and the money power will endeavor to
prolong its reign by working on the prejudices of the people
. . until wealth is aggregated in a few hands . . . and the
Republic is destroyed."
-- Abraham Lincoln
** "Fascism should more properly be called
** corporatism, since it is the merger of state
** and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
Dear God,
Please bring back America the Good.
--Doug
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Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]
> "So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom,
> those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active
> and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any
> number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon
> sleeping men."
antidote: Macchiavelli
>
>
> "Corporations have been enthroned. An era of corruption
> in high places will follow and the money power will endeavor to
> prolong its reign by working on the prejudices of the people
> . . until wealth is aggregated in a few hands . . . and the
> Republic is destroyed."
> -- Abraham Lincoln
antidote: Mussolini
>
>
> ** "Fascism should more properly be called
> ** corporatism, since it is the merger of state
> ** and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
antidote: Alaric
>
>
> Dear God,
> Please bring back America the Good.
> --Doug
You must be speaking of "Vinland" ...?
"1. Welshmen may have settled America before Columbus. It is now well
known that Viking explorers reached parts of the eastern seaboard of
what is now Canada about the year 1100 and that Norwegian Leif
Erikson's Vinland may have been an area that is now part of the United
States. What is less known is that a Welshman may not have been too far
behind Erikson, bringing settlers with him.
According to Welsh legend, Madog ab Owain Gwynedd was a 12th century
prince from Gwynedd who sailed westward with a group of followers
seeking lands far away from the constant warfare of his native Wales.
According to the story, his eight ships made landfall at what is now
called Mobile Bay, Alabama in 1169. Owain's little flagship was the
"Gwennan Gorn." Liking what he found, Madog then returned to Wales for
additional settlers, who consequently left with the explorer in a small
fleet of ships. Sailing westward from Lundy Island in 1171, the
courageous little band was never heard from again, at least in Europe.
Welsh tradition has it that the adventurers settled in the Mississippi
Valley, befriending the natives, whom they showed how to build stone
forts. Some of these mysterious forts and stone walls can still found
in the area. Some sources describe the Welsh explorers as moving
northward through Alabama and battling the Iroquois in Ohio, with a
remnant moving westward where they were discovered at the time of the
Revolutionary War as the light-skinned, bearded Mandan Indians of North
Dakota. The Mandans were decimated by smallpox in 1838, but many
scholars have supposedly found much of their language and customs, as
similar to those of Wales. For example, they used a small round boat
made of buffalo hides (the bull boat) stretched over a willow frame.
This is almost identical to the Welsh coracle."
George Peatty
>"So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom,
> those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active
> and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any
> number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon
> sleeping men."
> -- Voltaire 1694 – 1778
The tyranny of the secularist is the affliction of the post-modern era ..
Joseph Hertzlinger
wrote:
> "Corporations have been enthroned. An era of corruption
> in high places will follow and the money power will endeavor to
> prolong its reign by working on the prejudices of the people
> . . until wealth is aggregated in a few hands . . . and the
> Republic is destroyed."
> -- Abraham Lincoln
Not according to Snopes, http://www.snopes.com/quotes/lincoln.htm
Besides, the court decision that people trying to exorcise the
corporate demons blame for enthroning corporations was in 1886. See
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_accountability/\
history_corporations_us.html
Mistylien
"Doug Bashford" <pla...@home.edu> wrote in message
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>
> "So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom,
> those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active
> and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any
> number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon
> sleeping men."
>
>
> "Corporations have been enthroned. An era of corruption
> in high places will follow and the money power will endeavor to
> prolong its reign by working on the prejudices of the people
> . . until wealth is aggregated in a few hands . . . and the
> Republic is destroyed."
> -- Abraham Lincoln
>
>
> ** "Fascism should more properly be called
> ** corporatism, since it is the merger of state
> ** and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
>
>
> Dear God,
> Please bring back America the Good.
> --Doug
>
United State. May well be the second Beast of
Revelation 13:11
M,
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]
> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 01:47:34 GMT, pla...@home.edu (Doug Bashford) wrote:
>
> >"So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom,
> > those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active
> > and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any
> > number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon
> > sleeping men."
>
> The tyranny of the secularist is the affliction
> of the post-modern era ..
and a confusion of 'religions' (insitutional manifestations of
religion) with 'religion' (any attempt to address fundamental questions
common to all humans).
Doug Bashford
In <s79fj25pcqtuqht7e...@4ax.com>
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:17:26 -0400, George Peatty said about:
Re: Voltaire, Abe Lincoln, & Mussolini
Sounds deep. Can you expand?
--Doug
"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter
and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed
ourselves."
-- Abraham Lincoln
Gen. Colin Powell said about the Torture Bill, Sept 13 '06:
"'The world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our
fight against terrorism. To redefine Common Article 3
[Geneva Convention] would add to those doubts.
Furthermore, it would put our own troops at risk.'"
Doug Bashford
Joseph Hertzlinger said about:
> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 01:47:34 GMT, Doug Bashford <pla...@home.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > "Corporations have been enthroned. An era of corruption
> > in high places will follow and the money power will endeavor to
> > prolong its reign by working on the prejudices of the people
> > . . until wealth is aggregated in a few hands . . . and the
> > Republic is destroyed."
> > -- Abraham Lincoln
>
> Not according to Snopes, http://www.snopes.com/quotes/lincoln.htm
Ooops! Thanks!
Replaced:
"In the counsels of Government, we must guard against the
acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or
unsought, by the Military Industrial Complex. The potential
for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will
persist. We must never let the weight of this combination
endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take
nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable
citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial
and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods
and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together."
-- President Eisenhower - January 1961
> Besides, the court decision that people trying to exorcise the
> corporate demons blame for enthroning corporations was in 1886. See
> http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_accountability/\
> history_corporations_us.html
Are you a history buff?
I've been wondering about the rise and fall
of that gilded age, and the rise of this one.
What caused them?
Some people are arguing that these 3 monumental
shifts were not caused by "the people," but
by "our leaders." Looks possible.
--Doug
Doug Bashford
Mistylien said about:
> >
> > "So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom,
> > those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active
> > and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any
> > number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon
> > sleeping men."
> > -- Voltaire 1694 - 1778
> >
> >
> > ** "Fascism should more properly be called
> > ** corporatism, since it is the merger of state
> > ** and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
> >
> >
> > Dear God,
> > Please bring back America the Good.
> > --Doug
> >
> The Government of America Aka the government of the
> United State. May well be the second Beast of
> Revelation 13:11
It seems pretty evil.
I've heard it argued that BushCo is trying
to "hurry up" that prophacy.
I've heard it argued that many "end timers"
will not lift a finger to stop the various
autrocities they think are related to end times.
...that this is a real "political" force
in the U.S. today.
What do you think?
Doug Bashford
On Fri, 20 Oct, Joseph Hertzlinger said about:
Uhmmmm ok a nice cupajava let me read that.
It's nice to see all "those rumors" I've heard
spelled out in one place. Thanks!
Ah yes, traditional American values,
gotta luv em...
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_accountability/history_corporations_us.html
snip.......
* Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded
their authority or caused public harm.
* Owners and managers were responsible for criminal
acts committed on the job.
* Corporations could not make any political or
charitable contributions nor spend money to influence
law-making.
For 100 years after the American Revolution,
legislators maintained tight controlled the corporate
chartering process. Because of widespread public
opposition, early legislators granted very few
corporate charters, and only after debate. Citizens
governed corporations by detailing operating conditions
not just in charters but also in state constitutions
and state laws. Incorporated businesses were prohibited
from taking any action that legislators did not
specifically allow.
States also limited corporate charters to a set number
of years. Unless a legislature renewed an expiring
charter, the corporation was dissolved and its assets
were divided among shareholders. Citizen authority
clauses limited capitalization, debts, land holdings,
and sometimes, even profits. They required a company's
accounting books to be turned over to a legislature
upon request. The power of large shareholders was
limited by scaled voting, so that large and small
investors had equal voting rights. Interlocking
directorates were outlawed. Shareholders had the right
to remove directors at will.
In Europe, charters protected directors and
stockholders from liability for debts and harms caused
by their corporations. American legislators explicitly
rejected this corporate shield. The penalty for abuse
or misuse of the charter was not a plea bargain and a
fine, but dissolution of the corporation.
...............
... The industrial age forced a nation of farmers to
become wage earners, and they became fearful of
unemployment--a new fear that corporations quickly
learned to exploit. Company towns arose. and blacklists
of labor organizers and workers who spoke up for their
rights became common. When workers began to organize,
industrialists and bankers hired private armies to keep
them in line. They bought newspapers to paint
businessmen as heroes and shape public opinion.
Corporations bought state legislators, then announced
legislators were corrupt and said that they used too
much of the public's resources to scrutinize every
charter application and corporate...
Now they have a new holy boogyman to fear and
keep us all in line. "Global competition."
--Doug
George Peatty
>> The tyranny of the secularist is the affliction of the post-modern era ..
>
>Sounds deep. Can you expand?
>--Doug
Lets try a simple one. We are approaching the holiday season. Thanksgiving
and Christmas: are they secular holidays or sacred holidays? Do they have
religious significance, or do they not?
George Peatty
wrote:
>The Government of America Aka the government of the
>United State. May well be the second Beast of
>Revelation 13:11
I don't think so, but the United States will be as much under the sway of
the Anti-Christ as any other government on earth at the time. My own
belief, and it is only conjecture, is the United States may be seen here:
Rev 8: 8 The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge
mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned
into blood,
Mistylien
>
> Mistylien said about:
> Re: Voltaire, Abe Lincoln, & Mussolini
>> "Doug Bashford" <pla...@home.edu> wrote
>
>> >
>> > "So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom,
>> > those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active
>> > and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any
>> > number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon
>> > sleeping men."
>> > -- Voltaire 1694 - 1778
>
>> >
>> >
>> > ** "Fascism should more properly be called
>> > ** corporatism, since it is the merger of state
>> > ** and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear God,
>> > Please bring back America the Good.
>> > --Doug
>> >
>> The Government of America Aka the government of the
>> United State. May well be the second Beast of
>> Revelation 13:11
>
> It seems pretty evil.
I do not know if of evil or how deeply evil is incrusted into it
but it sure fits entimes prophecy as stated in the Bible.
>
> I've heard it argued that BushCo is trying
> to "hurry up" that prophacy.
Well who was in president power in 1986 when their FDA portion
of government made it legal to push poison into our food chain
Aka Canola oil. many have no idea it is that poison that is killing
off many but before they go they have a date with the Medical Drs
rampant fleecing.
>
> I've heard it argued that many "end timers"
> will not lift a finger to stop the various
> autrocities they think are related to end times.
Well I am trying to warn people about at least the Canola danger
of reducing the world Population by the alleged 60 % the big controlers
want to reduce it by.
>
> ...that this is a real "political" force
> in the U.S. today.
Oh it will be one right after the other just as the Papacy had one in chair
right after the other until one received it deadly wound, and after that
wound was healed another set one after the other took that throne.
Reduced territory as it was it was once again to go out to deceive the entier
world of Non believers.
It was to deceive even the ellect if that were possible.
But it is not possible.
Bible believeing Christian end timer
M,
>
> What do you think?
>
Mistylien
"George Peatty" <peattyg...@copper.net> wrote in message
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Yep it fits. the prophecy of Rev 13:11,
Right down to it comes out of the earth not out of the sea.
and it has the 2 horns like a Lamb, Dems and Reps, inclusive.
That whole sea you mentioned in your last paragraph; do you know what that
sea is? more at do you know what it represents??
If not then you may read Rev 17 the whole chapter
But I selected one for you to read if you may not have a bible handy.
5And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and
multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
I think this is the "sea" that will be turned to blood.
M,
Mistylien
Thanks Giving is a US secular Holiday for the people not of any Religion as
I can find.
However Christmases most secular "ancient Pagan religion" orientation to the
God of vegetation "TAMMUZ"
The RCC tries to incorporate it to some type of replacement of Christian.
but it keep coming up pagan at every turn.
In fact the mother and babe thing means Queen of heaven and the son
Tammuz. Do you see the Mary and Jesus exchange there??
The only Holiday Us Christians have is "Today"; today if you hear the word of God
do not harden your heart.
Some think Resurrection day may be some kind of holiday to rejoice to be holy too.
M,
George Peatty
wrote:
>Thanks Giving is a US secular Holiday for the people not of any Religion as
>I can find.
We agree to disagree. From Abraham Lincoln's proclamation announcing the
holiday:
"...It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly,
reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and voice by
the whole American people. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in
every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and
those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the
last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to
our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens...." '
Thanksgiving is non-denominational, in keeping with the Establishment
Clause, but it is equally clearly not secular.
George Peatty
wrote:
[snip]
>However Christmases most secular "ancient Pagan religion" orientation to the
>God of vegetation "TAMMUZ"
>The RCC tries to incorporate it to some type of replacement of Christian.
>but it keep coming up pagan at every turn.
>In fact the mother and babe thing means Queen of heaven and the son
>Tammuz. Do you see the Mary and Jesus exchange there??
Many ancient societies have analogs to the Virgin Birth in their lore. All
of them are corruptions, in the case of Nimrod, deliberately so, of Genesis
3:15. Skeptics like to cite those analogs as precursors to the Virgin Birth
and proof therefore that the Virgin Birth of the Bible is simply one more in
a long line of such myths. I think rather the existence of these fables
serves to authenticate Genesis 3:15, which formed the basis of all the
fables that followed.
George Peatty
wrote:
>The only Holiday Us Christians have is "Today"; today if you hear the word of God
>do not harden your heart.
>Some think Resurrection day may be some kind of holiday to rejoice to be holy too.
Amen.
Mistylien
>
> Mistylien said about:
> Re: Voltaire, Abe Lincoln, & Mussolini
>> "Doug Bashford" <pla...@home.edu> wrote
>
>> The Government of America Aka the government of the
>> United State. May well be the second Beast of
>> Revelation 13:11
>
> It seems pretty evil.
>
> I've heard it argued that BushCo is trying
> to "hurry up" that prophacy.
>
> I've heard it argued that many "end timers"
> will not lift a finger to stop the various
> autrocities they think are related to end times.
Well as I see it it is in God's plan not our to try to stop.
>
> ...that this is a real "political" force
> in the U.S. today.
>
> What do you think?
>
From what I have read God's prophesies will be fulfilled no
mater what we think or try to do.
M,
Mistylien
I think that is about what I said above
but I guess I do not have a good grasp of what secular mean.\
I thought secular means for some religious factors holidays.
M,
Mistylien
In the world of Christian Faith, there is also a sect that is totally against it.
That sect is the Holy Roman Catholic sect of the church of Rome.
For those that are in the Christian faith that do read the Bible will sooner
or later figure out the Prophesies and realize that big religious sect it
the home of the "antichrist".
The teal Creator Believing Christian have no part of it.
and we have no Holidays so to speak but because all the Religious holidays
the pagans have instituted look something like a Christian Holiday they
are deceived into trying to celebrate them. but it is to their
own downfall.
M,