Jack Van Impe Claims Obama Will be Head of the New World Order.
Linda Lee
because he will be the head of the New World Order. Further he claimed
that approval of the healthcare bill will result in a socialist regime
and people will be prevented from preaching the gospel. Whoa!
::: Jesus is LORD :::
"Linda Lee" <lindag...@juno.com> wrote in message
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Satan, you're a liar! Do you really think to please God by
this?
Linda Lee
wrote:
> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
Why do you lie and make such claims when you don't know what you're
talking about? Van Impe just said it on TV right before I posted
that. Why, is Jack another of your idols?
Here's his website, http://www.jvim.com/, and it looks like he's
compiled a DVD called 'Dictator of the New World Order'. On his TV
show, he's claiming that is Obama.
And according to lord Fred, you just committed the unpardonable sin by
calling me, a believer, "Satan".
Linda Lee
wrote:
> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
> news:673f4bc5-894c-4e51...@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
> >I just heard Jack Van Impe on TV claim everything Obama is doing is
> Satan, you're a liar! Do you really think to please God by
Fred A Stover
She distorts it. The Van Impe show comes on a local station before a show I
watch and I happened to see the show where Van Impe credited Henry Kissinger
with saying Obama would be the leader who would bring in the new world.
What Van Impe said, is what he's always been saying, the leader of the new
world order would be the leader of the revived Roman Empire who is the
antichrist.
What Van Impe misses is Ps 110:1, Matt 22:44, Mk 12:36, Lk 20:42-43, Acts
2:34-35, Heb 1:13, & Heb 10:12-13. What grows out of the world's new
disorder, is the defeat of the Lord's enemies who will be made His
footstool, and the antichrist has a cameo role when Michael stands and
everything goes to hell in a hand basket.
--
His,
More @ http://fredstover.angelfire.com/
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shall not receive the kingdom of God
as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
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Linda Lee
> >news:673f4bc5-894c-4e51...@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
> >> I just heard Jack Van Impe on TV claim everything Obama is doing is
> >> because he will be the head of the New World Order. Further he
> >> claimed that approval of the healthcare bill will result in a
> >> socialist regime and people will be prevented from preaching the
> >> gospel. Whoa!
>
> > Satan, you're a liar! Do you really think to please God by
> > this?
>
> She distorts it.
Don't blame me for what Van Impe said. I did not distort what he said
tonight.
> The Van Impe show comes on a local station before a show I
> watch and I happened to see the show where Van Impe credited Henry Kissinger
> with saying Obama would be the leader who would bring in the new world.
> What Van Impe said, is what he's always been saying, the leader of the new
> world order would be the leader of the revived Roman Empire who is the
> antichrist.
>
> What Van Impe misses is Ps 110:1, Matt 22:44, Mk 12:36, Lk 20:42-43, Acts
> 2:34-35, Heb 1:13, & Heb 10:12-13. What grows out of the world's new
> disorder, is the defeat of the Lord's enemies who will be made His
> footstool, and the antichrist has a cameo role when Michael stands and
> everything goes to hell in a hand basket.
>
> --
> His,
>
> More @http://fredstover.angelfire.com/
::: Jesus is LORD :::
WRITTEN THAT.
Jesus is LORD!
::: Jesus is LORD ::: jesus-...@lycos.com wrote in
hoeh5a$nk2$1...@news.eternal-september.org
::: Jesus is LORD :::
>>>> Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>> "Linda Lee" <lindag...@juno.com> wrote in message
>> news:673f4bc5-894c-4e51...@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
>>> I just heard Jack Van Impe on TV claim everything Obama is doing is
>>> because he will be the head of the New World Order. Further he
>>> claimed that approval of the healthcare bill will result in a
>>> socialist regime and people will be prevented from preaching the
>>> gospel. Whoa!
>>
>>
>> Satan, you're a liar! Do you really think to please God by
>> this?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I did not write that above, Fred. It was Rod Eastman/Peter.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
this post.
Linda Lee lindag...@juno.com wrote in
9e30eae3-322d-4618...@n34g2000yqb.googlegroups.com
::: Jesus is LORD :::
That was not me, that was Rod Eastman AKA "Peter". But I do not think
you are a believer, either.
colp
wrote:
> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
Where is the lie?
Jack Van Impe - Obama to be Dictator of NWO 1 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7Q3YbtpUbI&feature=player_embedded
::: Jesus is LORD :::
13579046-70e1-4694...@s20g2000prm.googlegroups.com
> On Mar 25, 2:18 pm, "::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-is-l...@lycos.com>
> wrote:
>> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:673f4bc5-894c-4e51...@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> I just heard Jack Van Impe on TV claim everything Obama is doing is
>>> because he will be the head of the New World Order. Further he
>>> claimed that approval of the healthcare bill will result in a
>>> socialist regime and people will be prevented from preaching the
>>> gospel. Whoa!
>>
>> Satan, you're a liar! Do you really think to please God by
>> this?
>
> Where is the lie?
I did not write this . It was a forgery by Rod Eastman AKA "Peter". I
have not participated in this debate. I am not an Obama friend for his
views on abortion for one, for his views on Israel for two. Yes, I think
he would love to place himself above God, but he can't.
> Jack Van Impe - Obama to be Dictator of NWO 1 of 3
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7Q3YbtpUbI&feature=player_embedded
Thank you.
Jesus is LORD!
(Vera)
http://god-bless-obama.blogspot.com/
Linda Lee
>
>
>
> > On Mar 24, 10:18 pm, "::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-is-l...@lycos.com>
> > wrote:
> >> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:673f4bc5-894c-4e51...@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> I just heard Jack Van Impe on TV claim everything Obama is doing is
> >>> because he will be the head of the New World Order. Further he
> >>> claimed that approval of the healthcare bill will result in a
> >>> socialist regime and people will be prevented from preaching the
> >>> gospel. Whoa!
>
> >> Satan, you're a liar! Do you really think to please God by
> >> this?
>
> > Why do you lie and make such claims when you don't know what you're
> > talking about? Van Impe just said it on TV right before I posted
> > that. Why, is Jack another of your idols?
>
> > compiled a DVD called 'Dictator of the New World Order'. On his TV
> > show, he's claiming that is Obama.
>
> > And according to lord Fred, you just committed the unpardonable sin by
> > calling me, a believer, "Satan".
>
> That was not me, that was Rod Eastman AKA "Peter". But I do not think
> you are a believer, either.
Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired.
I
>> >I just heard Jack Van Impe on TV claim everything Obama is doing >>> is
>> >because he will be the head of the New World Order. Further he >>>
>> >claimed that approval of the healthcare bill will result in a socialist
>> > >>> regime and people will be prevented from preaching the gospel.
>>> Whoa!
>> Satan, you're a liar! Do you really think to please God by
>> this?
>
> Where is the lie?
> Jack Van Impe - Obama to be Dictator of NWO 1 of 3
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7Q3YbtpUbI&feature=player_embedded
There is no lie. Vera Six is wrong again.
Fundamentalists tend to be right wing nutters who don't care for the poor.
Obama has done the right thing in helping the poorest of his nation.
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LuckyLuke
"Linda Lee" <lindag...@juno.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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The fact is that nobody have the power to prevent the gospel to be preached
because nobody can stop God.
In fact, the gospel is preached everywhere, included communist countries
like China and Cuba.
Even when Stalin was alive, he could not stop the gospel to be preached.
Lenin tried to stop the christians but he could not.
So, this Jack Van Impe is clearly a false prophet, and i bet he is paid by
the republican party to say those things to spread fear among the stupid and
ignorant Americans 'believers'.
Anyway, maybe one day someone will prevent the gospel to be preached. That
day we will be slaughtered or imprisoned. The sooner that day comes the
better it is.
But we can be very much sure that Obama is not the Head of the New World
Order. He cannot even rule the USA...
Peter
> THIS BELOW IS A FORGERY BY RODNEY EASTMAN AKA "PETER" - I HAVE NEVER
> WRITTEN THAT.
>
> Jesus is LORD!
>
>
>
___________x________________________________
OR SHUT UP!
--
Act 2:17 And it shall be in the last days, saith God, I will pour forth
of My Spirit upon all flesh: And your sons and your daughters shall
prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall
dream dreams:
Peter
HERE ! ________________X______________________________________
or shut up, O' right hand of GOD!
Peter
YOU also are subject to the same laws of GOD that I am,
Post your PROOF right HERE, or cease your lying, O' LYING right hand
of GOD!'''
_______________x________________________________________
Peter
Peter
> Fred A Stover fst...@tx.rr.com wrote in 8103df...@mid.individual.net
>>>>> Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>>> "Linda Lee" <lindag...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>> news:673f4bc5-894c-4e51...@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
>>>> I just heard Jack Van Impe on TV claim everything Obama is doing is
>>>> because he will be the head of the New World Order. Further he
>>>> claimed that approval of the healthcare bill will result in a
>>>> socialist regime and people will be prevented from preaching the
>>>> gospel. Whoa!
>>>
>>> Satan, you're a liar! Do you really think to please God by
>>> this?
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> I did not write that above, Fred. It was Rod Eastman/Peter.
>
>
Provide the proof of your false accusations or shutup!
Put it here:_________________________x__________________
Amazing Grace
"Peter" <john_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hog37g$b4t$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>> THIS BELOW IS A FORGERY BY RODNEY EASTMAN AKA "PETER" - I HAVE NEVER
>> WRITTEN THAT.
>>
>> Jesus is LORD!
>>
>>
>>
> Put the proof right here !
>
>
> ___________x________________________________
>
>
> OR SHUT UP!
LOL Peter, your posts are starting to look just like Vera's.
Peter
> colp co...@solder.ath.cx wrote in
> 13579046-70e1-4694...@s20g2000prm.googlegroups.com
>> On Mar 25, 2:18 pm, "::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-is-l...@lycos.com>
>> wrote:
>>> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:673f4bc5-894c-4e51...@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> I just heard Jack Van Impe on TV claim everything Obama is doing is
>>>> because he will be the head of the New World Order. Further he
>>>> claimed that approval of the healthcare bill will result in a
>>>> socialist regime and people will be prevented from preaching the
>>>> gospel. Whoa!
>>> Satan, you're a liar! Do you really think to please God by
>>> this?
>> Where is the lie?
>
> I did not write this . It was a forgery by Rod Eastman AKA "Peter".
Post the proof of your accusations or shut up!
Post it here:__________x________________________
Peter
Ps: You can't can you, eh ? Just as I thought, you're a Pharisee
and a liar!
May GOD Damn you to hell for your false accusations, clueless one!
Peter
>
> "Peter" <john_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:hog37g$b4t$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>>> THIS BELOW IS A FORGERY BY RODNEY EASTMAN AKA "PETER" - I HAVE NEVER
>>> WRITTEN THAT.
>>>
>>> Jesus is LORD!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Put the proof right here !
>>
>>
>> ___________x________________________________
>>
>>
>> OR SHUT UP!
>
>
> LOL Peter, your posts are starting to look just like Vera's.
>
I'm sorry Grace, I simply wish that for once this lying woman
would back up her false claims or shut up. I get tired of
being forced to go thru it, it's as if the scriptures apply
to all of us, but they feel they don't have to obey them
themselves.
Peter
::: Jesus is LORD :::
"Amazing Grace" <maran...@nospam.gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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>
> "Peter" <john_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:hog37g$b4t$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>>> THIS BELOW IS A FORGERY BY RODNEY EASTMAN AKA "PETER" - I HAVE NEVER
>>> WRITTEN THAT.
>>>
>>> Jesus is LORD!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Put the proof right here !
>>
>>
>> ___________x________________________________
>>
>>
>> OR SHUT UP!
>
>
> LOL Peter, your posts are starting to look just like Vera's.
Mimicry is a form of flattery.
Often used by the devil and his minions.
Rod
> "Amazing Grace" <maran...@nospam.gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:PBMqn.55178$mn6....@newsfe07.iad...
>> "Peter" <john_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:hog37g$b4t$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>>>> THIS BELOW IS A FORGERY BY RODNEY EASTMAN AKA "PETER" - I HAVE NEVER
>>>> WRITTEN THAT.
>>>>
>>>> Jesus is LORD!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Put the proof right here !
>>>
>>>
>>> ___________x________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> OR SHUT UP!
>>
>> LOL Peter, your posts are starting to look just like Vera's.
>
> Mimicry is a form of flattery.
> Often used by the devil and his minions.
Hey dummy, you've provided no proof that I'm guilty of ANYTHING
but disliking your lies.
Put it here: _____________x_________ or stop accusing me,
you satan!
pyotr filipivich
so what?
-
pyotr filipivich
Monotheism, someone has said, offers two simple axioms:
1) There is a God.
2) It's not you.
Fred A Stover
> On Mar 24, 11:24pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>> Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>>
>>> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>> news:673f4bc5-894c-4e51...@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
>>>> I just heard Jack Van Impe on TV claim everything Obama is doing is
>>>> because he will be the head of the New World Order. Further he
>>>> claimed that approval of the healthcare bill will result in a
>>>> socialist regime and people will be prevented from preaching the
>>>> gospel. Whoa!
>>
>>> Satan, you're a liar! Do you really think to please God by
>>> this?
>>
>> She distorts it.
>
> Don't blame me for what Van Impe said. I did not distort what he said
> tonight.
Who else is the blame for your distorting it?. It was Henry Kissinger who
Van Impe said spoke of Obama bringing in the new world order.
>
>> The Van Impe show comes on a local station before a show I
>> watch and I happened to see the show where Van Impe credited Henry
>> Kissinger with saying Obama would be the leader who would bring in
>> the new world. What Van Impe said, is what he's always been saying,
>> the leader of the new world order would be the leader of the revived
>> Roman Empire who is the antichrist.
>>
>> What Van Impe misses is Ps 110:1, Matt 22:44, Mk 12:36, Lk
>> 20:42-43, Acts 2:34-35, Heb 1:13, & Heb 10:12-13. What grows out of
>> the world's new disorder, is the defeat of the Lord's enemies who
>> will be made His footstool, and the antichrist has a cameo role when
>> Michael stands and everything goes to hell in a hand basket.
--
His,
More @ http://fredstover.angelfire.com/
Fred A Stover
> Fred A Stover fst...@tx.rr.com wrote in
> 8103df...@mid.individual.net
>>>>> Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>>> "Linda Lee" <lindag...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>> news:673f4bc5-894c-4e51...@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
>>>> I just heard Jack Van Impe on TV claim everything Obama is doing is
>>>> because he will be the head of the New World Order. Further he
>>>> claimed that approval of the healthcare bill will result in a
>>>> socialist regime and people will be prevented from preaching the
>>>> gospel. Whoa!
>>>
>>>
>>> Satan, you're a liar! Do you really think to please God by
>>> this?
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> I did not write that above, Fred. It was Rod Eastman/Peter.
>
I replied to the one from Linda and ignored the fake.
Fred A Stover
> On Mar 25, 2:18pm, "::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-is-l...@lycos.com>
The lie is the misrepresentation claiming that Van Impe identified Obama as
the antichrist. Van Impe didn't It is Henry Kissinger cited to be saying
Obama is primed to lead in the new world order. What Van Impe teaches and
taught is that it is the leader of the new world order will be the
antichrist.
Linda Lee
> Linda Lee wrote:
> > On Mar 24, 11:24pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>
> >>> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:673f4bc5-894c-4e51...@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
> >>>> I just heard Jack Van Impe on TV claim everything Obama is doing is
> >>>> because he will be the head of the New World Order. Further he
> >>>> claimed that approval of the healthcare bill will result in a
> >>>> socialist regime and people will be prevented from preaching the
> >>>> gospel. Whoa!
>
> >>> Satan, you're a liar! Do you really think to please God by
> >>> this?
>
> >> She distorts it.
>
> > Don't blame me for what Van Impe said. I did not distort what he said
> > tonight.
>
> Who else is the blame for your distorting it?. It was Henry Kissinger who
> Van Impe said spoke of Obama bringing in the new world order.
>
Last night he left out any mention of Kissinger. When you didn't see
the program and have no knowledge of what you're talking about, why
talk?
>
>
> >> The Van Impe show comes on a local station before a show I
> >> watch and I happened to see the show where Van Impe credited Henry
> >> Kissinger with saying Obama would be the leader who would bring in
> >> the new world. What Van Impe said, is what he's always been saying,
> >> the leader of the new world order would be the leader of the revived
> >> Roman Empire who is the antichrist.
>
> >> What Van Impe misses is Ps 110:1, Matt 22:44, Mk 12:36, Lk
> >> 20:42-43, Acts 2:34-35, Heb 1:13, & Heb 10:12-13. What grows out of
> >> the world's new disorder, is the defeat of the Lord's enemies who
> >> will be made His footstool, and the antichrist has a cameo role when
> >> Michael stands and everything goes to hell in a hand basket.
>
> --
> His,
>
> More @http://fredstover.angelfire.com/
Fred A Stover
> On Mar 25, 6:21pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>> Linda Lee wrote:
>>> On Mar 24, 11:24pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>>
>>>>> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:673f4bc5-894c-4e51...@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> I just heard Jack Van Impe on TV claim everything Obama is doing
>>>>>> is because he will be the head of the New World Order. Further he
>>>>>> claimed that approval of the healthcare bill will result in a
>>>>>> socialist regime and people will be prevented from preaching the
>>>>>> gospel. Whoa!
>>
>>>>> Satan, you're a liar! Do you really think to please God by
>>>>> this?
>>
>>>> She distorts it.
>>
>>> Don't blame me for what Van Impe said. I did not distort what he
>>> said tonight.
>>
>> Who else is the blame for your distorting it?. It was Henry
>> Kissinger who Van Impe said spoke of Obama bringing in the new world
>> order.
>>
>
> Last night he left out any mention of Kissinger. When you didn't see
> the program and have no knowledge of what you're talking about, why
> talk?
Perhaps you ought to pay attention, listen to what you're told, and then
comment.
I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge that Jesus is Lord God.
--
His,
More @ http://fredstover.angelfire.com/
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the
Lord
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Verily I say unto you, Whosoever
shall not receive the kingdom of God
as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
(Mark 10:15)
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<)))))))><
>>
Richard
"Fred A Stover" wrote:
> Linda Lee wrote:
> >
<snip>
>
> I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge that Jesus is Lord God.
I can vouch that Linda indeed believes that 'Jesus' is God.
colp
Did she miss something relevant or are you simply trying to deflect
attention from your error?
>
> I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge that Jesus is Lord God.
I expect you'll be waiting a long time, fish head.
But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation
seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the
sign of the prophet Jonas:
Matthew 12:39
colp
'God' can mean several things. Believing that Yahshua is Elohim is not
the same as believing that Yahshua is YHWH.
Richard
"colp" wrote:
> Richard wrote:
> >
> > I can vouch that Linda indeed believes that 'Jesus' is God.
>
> 'God' can mean several things.
Indeed it can.
> Believing that Yahshua is Elohim is not the
> same as believing that Yahshua is YHWH.
Yet, both parties in essence believe that both of the above statements are
true.
Fred A Stover
I'm waiting for her to say "Jesus" is "Lord God.".
Fred A Stover
Yes. One of Van Impe's views is that the antichrist won't be identified
until after the church had departed, and he believes the leader of the new
world order will be the antichrist. He noted Henry Kissenger as one who
pointed to Obama as the leader poised to bring in the new world order. Then
he discussed what might happen if Obama were the leader of the new world
order.
In the youtube video Kissinger's comment was shown as a news banner.
>
>>
>> I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge that Jesus is Lord God.
>
> I expect you'll be waiting a long time, fish head.
>
> But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation
> seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the
> sign of the prophet Jonas:
> Matthew 12:39
???????? Sign?
I asked for a testimony. In a past "false Paul" discussion, several denied
that Jesus is Lord God, and I asked if she believed Jesus is Lord God. She
didn't answer
I'm reminding her and waiting.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
> Richard wrote:
>> "Fred A Stover" wrote:
>>> Linda Lee wrote:
>>>>
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge that Jesus is Lord God.
>>
>> I can vouch that Linda indeed believes that 'Jesus' is God.
>
> I'm waiting for her to say "Jesus" is "Lord God.".
She might have a problem, and I would like to see this, too, because it
is not the Spirit that guides Christians she is showing. The spirit
guiding her usually does not allow the people to accept that Jesus is
Lord God.
One example would be Glenn McClary (Oldwetdog). He came to ACC,
pretending to be a Christian. But then it turned out that he started a
flame war against the Christians soon afterwards, because he needed a
free run for his heresy to call all Christians satanically motivated for
their belief in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One God.
While I believe that everybody is entitled to believe in whatever lie
there is, it is something different to go to a group of believers to
attack them. And that is what happens here most of the time. In real
life there are people who come with a lot of questions that could not be
answered, but very often people like Ike, Dave, Glenn or Linda come here
to spread their heresy in order to sell their books or for other
reasons. They usually do not go with the doctrine as Jesus Christ taught
it to us. We are warned of them as "wolves in sheep clothes".
If anyone teaches a different doctrine, and doesn't consent to sound
words, the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is
according to godliness, he is conceited, knowing nothing, but obsessed
with arguments, disputes, and word battles, from which come envy,
strife, reviling, evil suspicions, constant friction of people of
corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is
a means of gain. Withdraw yourself from such. (1 Timothy 6:3-5)
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and
offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own
belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the
simple. (Romans 16:17-18 KJV)
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.Matt
I'm still waiting for proof your Eisegesis is correct.
Now we will see Fred A Stover divert attention away from him not being
able too.
God Bless
Matt
Linda Lee
wrote:
> Fred A Stover fsto...@tx.rr.com wrote in 813er0F8p...@mid.individual.net
>
> > Richard wrote:
> >> "Fred A Stover" wrote:
> >>> Linda Lee wrote:
>
> >> <snip>
>
> >>> I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge that Jesus is Lord God.
>
> >> I can vouch that Linda indeed believes that 'Jesus' is God.
>
> > I'm waiting for her to say "Jesus" is "Lord God.".
>
> She might have a problem, and I would like to see this, too, because it
> is not the Spirit that guides Christians she is showing. The spirit
> guiding her usually does not allow the people to accept that Jesus is
> Lord God.
I have believed and KNOWN that Christ was The LORD God incarnate as
our only
Saviour since three or four years of age. That is Christianity 101,
something you'd better investigate.
Are we to assume the Holy Spirit was speaking through you, as you
falsely claim, when you agreed with Lucky Luke that "Jesus is not
God", explaining at length, "That
was why Jesus also said that any sin against the *Son of Man* can be
forgiven, but not the sin against the Holy Spirit". And you verify
your agreement again later in that post. You were very plain about
what you meant.
What a JOKE - your claim the Holy Spirit speaks through you, and you
are the right hand of God! The Holy Spirit does not say things like
YOU posted.
Lucky Luke wrote:
> The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a blasphemy against God,
> because the Holy Spirit IS God, while Jesus is not God.
Vera replied:
"Excellent point. That was why Jesus also said that any sin against
the *Son of Man* can be forgiven, but not the sin against the Holy
Spirit, which is what it says, calling the Holy Spirit of satan, or
rejecting Him several times."
Lucky Luke continues:
> That's why any blasphemy against Jesus can be forgiven while any
> blasphemy against God can't.
> It's Jesus himself to make this specific difference between
> him and God; it's not me...
Vera replies:
"Exactly."
<end quote>
From http://groups.google.com/group/alt.messianic/msg/dec13831413acc3b
Vera replies in agreement that Jesus himself makes a "specific
difference between him and God", and "That's why any blasphemy against
Jesus can be forgiven while any blasphemy against God can't" as Lucky
Luke said, which is exactly what Vera had said here earlier in her
reply to him: "That was why Jesus also said that any sin against the
*Son of Man* can be forgiven, but not the sin against the Holy
Spirit".
What a JOKE - your claim the Holy Spirit speaks through you, and you
are the right hand of God! The Holy Spirit NEVER would say what you
said here.
God put a lying spirit in your mouth, Vera, to expose you for the
fraud you are when you go around claiming you're "the right hand of
God", and that the Holy Spirit speaks through you.
Linda Lee
Perhaps you should shut up until you know what you're talking about.
Oh, wait, then we'd never see another post from you.
Linda Lee
It really isn't any of his business. He's a fraud, just like Vera.
Linda Lee
I do believe that Yahashua` the Messiah was the most High God, "YHWH",
incarnated as the only Saviour, and that after his ascension, he was
referred to as "the Spirit" (i.e. the Holy Spirit) in the book of
Revelation. I just don't owe Fred, the accuser of the brethren, any
answers.
And I think YHWH, the Tetragrammaton, Name of Four Letters, had been
tampered with by the Hebrew scribes, so I don't often use it.
colp
> On Mar 25, 11:20 pm, colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 26, 1:57 pm, "Richard" <ev...@delete.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Fred A Stover" wrote:
> > > > Linda Lee wrote:
>
> > > <snip>
>
> > > > I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge that Jesus is Lord God.
>
> > > I can vouch that Linda indeed believes that 'Jesus' is God.
>
> > 'God' can mean several things. Believing that Yahshua is Elohim is not
> > the same as believing that Yahshua is YHWH.
>
> I do believe that Yahashua` the Messiah was the most High God, "YHWH",
> incarnated as the only Saviour, and that after his ascension, he was
> referred to as "the Spirit" (i.e. the Holy Spirit) in the book of
> Revelation. I just don't owe Fred, the accuser of the brethren, any
> answers.
So, according to your beliefs, Christ suffered from a multiple
personality disorder in that he prayed to himself, referred to himself
as "my Father", and had himself tortured to death even though he
didn't want it to happen?
>
> And I think YHWH, the Tetragrammaton, Name of Four Letters, had been
> tampered with by the Hebrew scribes, so I don't often use it.
The tetragrammaton has been found in the 2000 year old Dead Sea
Scrolls.
http://www.eliyah.com/yhwhdss.html
The emendations of the sopherim (scribes) changed the tetragrammaton
to 'Adonai'.
http://www.wida.cz.cc/hebrew_roots/html/hr-2-1-02.html
::: Jesus is LORD :::
d8e80b4d-9ef4-4e1d...@e6g2000yqh.googlegroups.com
While it is you who reject the Apostles Paul and Peter, God's elect...
Fred and I agree with them... And God does, too.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
I have never seen a post by you that could be called "Christian"...
Peter
<Smiling big.........
::: Jesus is LORD :::
The liar is you, because you have completely ignored my correction to
the mentioned post.
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> LuckyLuke fonta...@hotmail.com wrote in
> hof3k9$eu6$1...@news.eternal-september.org
>> The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a blasphemy against God,
>> because the Holy Spirit IS God, while Jesus is not God.
>
> Excellent point. That was why Jesus also said that any sin against the
> *Son of Man* can be forgiven, but not the sin against the Holy Spirit,
> which is what it says, calling the Holy Spirit of satan, or rejecting
> Him several times.
Correction:
Of course Jesus is God, but while on earth, He was fully man, too, which
was why I did not notice your point when you wrote "Jesus is not God".
Of course He is. I misread that.
Jesus is LORD!
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Lie on, Linda Lee.
"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor." (Exodus
20:16 WEB)
"And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth,
neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which
are written in the Lamb's book of life." (Revelation 21:27 KJV)
"Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the
murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices
falsehood." (Revelation 22:15 WEB)
No do not say you have not read my correction yet...
Linda Lee
> On Mar 27, 8:22 am, Linda Lee <lyndalee8...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 25, 11:20 pm, colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 26, 1:57 pm, "Richard" <ev...@delete.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "Fred A Stover" wrote:
> > > > > Linda Lee wrote:
>
> > > > <snip>
>
> > > > > I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge that Jesus is Lord God.
>
> > > > I can vouch that Linda indeed believes that 'Jesus' is God.
>
> > > 'God' can mean several things. Believing that Yahshua is Elohim is not
> > > the same as believing that Yahshua is YHWH.
>
> > I do believe that Yahashua` the Messiah was the most High God, "YHWH",
> > incarnated as the only Saviour, and that after his ascension, he was
> > referred to as "the Spirit" (i.e. the Holy Spirit) in the book of
> > Revelation. I just don't owe Fred, the accuser of the brethren, any
> > answers.
>
> So, according to your beliefs, Christ suffered from a multiple
> personality disorder in that he prayed to himself, referred to himself
> as "my Father", and had himself tortured to death even though he
> didn't want it to happen?
>
>
>
> > And I think YHWH, the Tetragrammaton, Name of Four Letters, had been
> > tampered with by the Hebrew scribes, so I don't often use it.
>
> The tetragrammaton has been found in the 2000 year old Dead Sea
>
> The emendations of the sopherim (scribes) changed the tetragrammaton
> to 'Adonai'.http://www.wida.cz.cc/hebrew_roots/html/hr-2-1-02.html
That link is very useful to me, as I have claimed that in Psa. 110:5,
the Lord at YHVH's right hand was in fact YHVH as Christ:
Psa 110:5 The Lord at thy [YHVH's] right hand shall strike
through kings in the day of his wrath.
Psa 110:6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places
with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.
Psa 110:7 He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he
lift up the head.
"If the Ultra-Orthodox view is correct, then what is one to do
with verse 5? Here is one of those places in Scripture where the
original word YHVH was changed to Adonai [Lord]. The word ‘Lord’ in
this verse should be ‘YHVH.’ Now we are faced with the necessity of
admitting that in this Psalm there are two YHVH’s mentioned; one YHVH
who is in charge overall, and another YHVH who sits at His right hand
and is the prophesied Messiah. Once the emendation is corrected it is
not possible to have only one YHVH in this passage."
Fred A Stover
> Linda Lee lyndal...@juno.com wrote in
> d8e80b4d-9ef4-4e1d...@e6g2000yqh.googlegroups.com
>> On Mar 25, 9:57 pm, "Richard" <ev...@delete.com> wrote:
>>> "Fred A Stover" wrote:
>>>> Linda Lee wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge that Jesus is Lord God.
>>>
>>> I can vouch that Linda indeed believes that 'Jesus' is God.
>>
>>
>> It really isn't any of his business. He's a fraud, just like Vera.
>
> While it is you who reject the Apostles Paul and Peter, God's elect...
>
> Fred and I agree with them... And God does, too.
I guess I should have asked if she believed Jesus is Lord God and is he
supperior to Lord Linda.
Fred A Stover
I saw it too, and Henry Kissinger was credited with pointing to Obama as the
leader who would bring in the new world order.
Richard
"Linda Lee" wrote:
>
> That link is very useful to me, as I have claimed that in Psa. 110:5,
> the Lord at YHVH's right hand was in fact YHVH as Christ:
Linda, clink on the links and see where they take you. Are those links are
indicative of the so called 'truth' the page is representing? Try the link
for Tetragrammaton, or understanding, or King James Version, or
interpretation. Would anyone respectfully have such links upon their page?
::: Jesus is LORD :::
815dp2...@mid.individual.net
>>>> Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>> Linda Lee lyndal...@juno.com wrote in
>> d8e80b4d-9ef4-4e1d...@e6g2000yqh.googlegroups.com
>>> On Mar 25, 9:57 pm, "Richard" <ev...@delete.com> wrote:
>>>> "Fred A Stover" wrote:
>>>>> Linda Lee wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge that Jesus is Lord God.
>>>>
>>>> I can vouch that Linda indeed believes that 'Jesus' is God.
>>>
>>>
>>> It really isn't any of his business. He's a fraud, just like Vera.
>>
>> While it is you who reject the Apostles Paul and Peter, God's
>> elect... Fred and I agree with them... And God does, too.
>
> I guess I should have asked if she believed Jesus is Lord God and is
> he supperior to Lord Linda.
Ha, ha. Yes, you forgot. Finally she feels more important than the
Apostles already... so important that she robbed them of their
authority, go figure! Peter and Paul, and Luke. Well, John was done by
Lucky Luke. Not much left of the New Testament nowadays...
sp...@gnostheos.org
> I just heard Jack Van Impe on TV claim everything Obama is doing is
> because he will be the head of the New World Order. Further he claimed
> that approval of the healthcare bill will result in a socialist regime
> and people will be prevented from preaching the gospel. Whoa!
First off, I do not endorse Jack Van Impe. I am not familiar with his
doctrine, so if you want reliable end times doctrine (eschatology)
then please go to http://www.hallindsey.com/.
First Jesus said work while there is light. Hence he implies that
there will be a time of "darkness", i.e. where it will be hard to
preach the Gospel. Suppose you went to Saudi Arabia to
preach the Gospel. You would have a very short ministry. The
state police will arrest you fairly quickly. Then you will only
be able to witness to your prison guards. I doubt you will
turn them, but maybe. This is what is meant by "darkness".
I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day [light]:
the night [darkness] cometh, when no man can work.
John 9:4 (King James Version)
Let's consider this closely, Jesus was sent to do a
work, i.e. preach the "Good News", and He says
that He is working so long as there is "light". Now you
might think that Jesus is talking about the Crucifixion,
but He says that no one will be able to work (spread
the Good News). So the Gospel will go underground.
Congress is trying to bring back the "Fairness Doctrine".
This was designed to prevent Christian Ministries from using
radio. Now it will be targeted against Rush Limbaugh/Glenn
Beck type radio political commentators. It is an assault on
free speech. Of course the liberal dominated medias will
be exempt. They also want to apply this to the Internet
somehow, similar to Iran in blocking Twitter messages for
protesters. Our Government is following the play book of
other totalitarian regimes. Roosevelt specifically formed
the FCC in order to shut down radio commentators that
spoke out against the New Deal and its assualt on freedom.
If Churches start talking about Obama in a negative
fashion and pointing out that he is a not a Christian,
then Obama will likely want to silence them.
Obama is no friend of the Press or free speech. He has
not even given a press conference since june or july
of 2009. He only gives speeches, since they are one
sided conversations to friendly audiences. Obama
really doesn't like any dissent. He has given interviews,
but until recently only to his liberal friends in the media.
George Stephanopolus was a campaign advisor to
Bill Clinton (hardly impartial).
The Healthcare bill was an assualt on freedom and a
spending/tax package with a healthcare wrapper. It
is so unconsitutional in many ways.
1. Kills sanctity of contracts. Your employment
contract would be altered since the health
coverage you have now will be altered without
your or your employer's consent. You may receive
lower pay in the futer due to higher costs to your
employer or just no raises for a few more years
supposing you keep your job.
2. Forces you to buy a commodity that is not an
interstate commodity (you are barred from buying
insurance across state lines, so cannot be
interstate commerce). The congress can regulate
your interstate purchases, but not your decision
not to buy something. This is not a tax that you
pay for a government service, it is a product that
you must buy from a private commercial entity.
3. You are fined by the IRS without due process
for failing to have insurance that meets the HHS
guidelines. So even having insurance is not enough.
Those who have insurance will have their rates
go up because of the requirements to have
coverage for a lot of things Christians will find
offensive such as abortion, sex change operations,
viagra for child molesters and rapists, rehab for
all sorts of addictions (think Tiger Woods), ... etc.
4. Equal protection under the law is stomped on
by the many special deals and the exemption of
Congress members and their staff.
5. Isn't 4 violations enough? If I were a lawyer,
and had a team of people I am sure that the
list would go on ad infinitum.
You might counter that you have to buy
car insurance. However this is forcing
you to buy the car. If you do not have
a car, nor drive on the highway, then
you don't need car insurance. Most of
NYC does not own a car, from what I
hear. However in this case, you have
to buy car whether you want it or not.
Of course free speech is necessary for the
preaching of the Gospel. Without free speech
protection, we can be jailed for hate speech
or something else. Then it will be darkness.
As Christians we are supposed to be "salt
and light". We are supposed to Preserve
the earth like salt curing preserves meat,
and shine light so that the deeds of evil
men are exposed. So please research and
expose the actions of our government that
are contrary to the Gospel or might hinder
the preching there of. Otherwise you might
find out first hand what Jesus was talking
about. Unless we get rid of the Democrat
majority and elect righteous men and
women who honor their oath to uphold
the constitution, then our freedoms will
soon be gone forever.
Andrew Napalitano is a liberterian, so
I don't agree with everything he says,
but has some good books on the subject.
Constitution in Exile, and Nation of
Sheep. Check them out from your
local library.
Unfortunately, we are left with the
legacy of the court packed by appointments
from Roosevelt. The decisions were logical
absurdities that make no sense and make
interstate commerce defined to be anything
they feel like.
Healthcare wasn't about healthcare.
Imigration reform will not be about
immigration but about collecting biometric
information from citizens without due
process and assigning them an ID.
The ID will have a chip on it so that
when the police stop you, they can
find out everything there is to know
about you without having that pesky
"Miranda" ruling getting in the way.
The Feds having your DNA, fingerprints,
and you being tagged will not stop
illegals from crossing the border.
Nor will it help the feds catch them,
but it will help them oppress you
if you step out of line since they
can track you more easily.
Ihren pass, bitte!
colp
That makes absolutely no sense in the context of the whole Psalm:
[[A Psalm of David.]] YHWH said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right
hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Psalm 110:1
The are clearly two beings here; YHWH and a being who David calls Adon
or Adonai.
The is commented on by Yahshua in Matthew 22:43-45, and there are
still two distinct beings.
The fact that Psalm 110:5 originally read YHWH and not Adonai causes
no problem if we assume that yamiyn means working in cooperation with
rather than being physically at the right hand of another being (which
would imply the complementary relationship of being on the left hand).
The immediate context is talking about David's Adonai being a priest,
so it's reasonable to think that "YHWH at thy right hand" of verse 5
is speaking of him and not YHWH, although most of the chapter is about
YHWH.
YHWH hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou [art] a priest for ever
after the order of Melchizedek.
Psalm 110:4
In verse 4, thou doesn't refer to YHWH.
>
> Psa 110:5 The Lord at thy [YHVH's] right hand shall strike
So it would make sense that thy doesn't refer to him either, with the
correct rendering being:
Psa 110:5 YHWH at thy [Adonai's] right hand shall strike
> through kings in the day of his wrath.
Now the subject is YHWH again, since it was YHWH doing the striking.
> Psa 110:6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places
> with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.
> Psa 110:7 He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he
> lift up the head.
>
> "If the Ultra-Orthodox view is correct, then what is one to do
> with verse 5? Here is one of those places in Scripture where the
> original word YHVH was changed to Adonai [Lord]. The word ‘Lord’ in
> this verse should be ‘YHVH.’ Now we are faced with the necessity of
> admitting that in this Psalm there are two YHVH’s mentioned; one YHVH
> who is in charge overall, and another YHVH who sits at His right hand
> and is the prophesied Messiah. Once the emendation is corrected it is
> not possible to have only one YHVH in this passage."
It is possible by reading verse 5 as a continuation of verse 4, where
the subject is David's Adonai, not YHWH.
Richard
"Fred A Stover" wrote:
> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
> >
Hey! That's pretty good. Not only do Fred and Vera agree, but God does
too. Seems they got the cart before the horse. Seems to me that they
should agree with God, and hopefully, Fred and Vera do too.
> I guess I should have asked if she believed Jesus is Lord God.
Typical cultic question. If you do not agree with their *exact* wording
upon it, you are obviously not one of them. Or, you is the devil! LOL
Reminds me of Kathy Bates in The Waterboy. Of course, the fact that they do
not know how to properly format it is of no consequence.
Ike E 3/20/2010
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[snip]
> First off, I do not endorse Jack Van Impe. I am not familiar with his
> doctrine, so if you want reliable end times doctrine (eschatology)
> then please go to http://www.hallindsey.com/.
That's one of the dumbest posts I've seen in awhile: They're liars from the
SAME POT--DISPENSATIONALISM.
Mt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and
shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the
kingdom of heaven.
Notice least or greatest, but "in the kingdom of heaven" by ANOTHER
means--the Gospel.
This false doctrine of Asceticism is found in numerous churches, in
particular those of the Pergamon and Thyatiran ages, i.e. Orthodoxy and
Catholicism.
Ike
Richard
"Linda Lee" wrote:
> > Richard wrote:
> > >
> > > I can vouch that Linda indeed believes that 'Jesus' is God.
>
> High God, "YHWH"
There it is.
> I just don't owe Fred, <snip>, any answers.
Agreed. Besides, it is simply another cultic tactic.
Richard
"Linda Lee" wrote:
> Richard wrote:
> >
>
> It really isn't any of his business.
Agreed. Nor is it any of my business.
Richard
" ::: Jesus is LORD :::" wrote:
> Linda Lee wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps you should shut up until you know what you're talking about.
> > Oh, wait, then we'd never see another post from you.
>
> I have never seen a post by you that could be called "Christian"...
I have seen some.
Richard
" ::: Jesus is LORD :::" wrote:
>
> "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor." (Exodus
> 20:16 WEB)
Regrettably, I do find that those who use the Law to condemn others yet
claim that we are not under the law, to be very hypocritical.
Richard
"Linda Lee" wrote:
> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" wrote:
> > Fred A Stover wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm waiting for her to say "Jesus" is "Lord God.".
> >
> > She might have a problem, and I would like to see this, too, because it
> > is not the Spirit that guides Christians she is showing. The spirit
> > guiding her usually does not allow the people to accept that Jesus is
> > Lord God.
>
> I have believed and KNOWN that Christ was The LORD God
> incarnate as our only Saviour since three or four years of age.
Well, since both Vera and Colp have let me know that we are in essense
putting on a show for the 'readers'...
We interrupt your regularly scheduled program for an important public
service announcement:
This is not a test!
All three parties have in essense said the same thing. It is simply a word
game that Vera and Fred are playing here. It is a cultic tactic.
You see, unless Linda agrees to use there exact wording / phrasing, they
delude themselves into thinking that they are justified in their actions.
OTOH: Linda is actually more correct with the use of "LORD God"
This now concludes our important public service announcement.
Had this been an actual test, you would have heard a loud annoying tone.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
Or was that the your programming according to Vera and Fred...
Oh heck, I don't know <chuckle>
sp...@gnostheos.org
wrote:
> <sp...@gnostheos.org> wrote in message
>
> news:f958b719-d85c-4842...@n34g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> [snip]
>
> > First off, I do not endorse Jack Van Impe. I am not familiar with his
> > doctrine, so if you want reliable end times doctrine (eschatology)
>
> That's one of the dumbest posts I've seen in awhile: They're liars from the
> SAME POT--DISPENSATIONALISM.
>
Hey, maybe it wasn't that great, but I don't think it was the dumbest.
Maybe it is off topic. I don't like Obama, but I don't think he is
the Anti-Christ, just definitely not a Bible Beleiving Christian.
I was trying to outline the ways that he is stealing rights, and
that will hurt the spread of the Gospel. If the US falls, then
a light goes out in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism
Dispensationalism is simply realizing different periods in the Bible.
The Bible clearly lays out different major periods, although salvation
is the same throughout. There are so many different versions, and
not all can be correct at the same time. It is a general broad idea
and not something to condemn one on.
> Mt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and
> shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
> but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the
> kingdom of heaven.
>
> Notice least or greatest, but "in the kingdom of heaven" by ANOTHER
> means--the Gospel.
>
I understand that verse. I am not sure how that disproves the fact
that the Bible has clear periods in it.
Salvation has always been the same Gen 15:6, Job 19:25, Romans 4:3.
However, there have been distinct periods, and future periods are
prophecied.
1. Patriarchal - Genesis
2. Israel - Exodus to Crucifixion of Christ
3. Time of the Gentiles (Luke 21:23-24)
Scattering of the Jews (Jeremiah)
4. 7 year Tribulation (Daniel, Revelation)
5. 1,000 year reign (Isaiah, Revelation)
6. New Heavens and New Earth
(we are in #3 rapidly approaching #4)
These periods are clearly taught in the Bible. These periods do
not say that God is different or that salvation changed. It was
always the same. Salvation was always the same, but
sanctification changed. Who was spreading the message?
Patriarchal is simply the fathers handed the knowledge of
God down to sons and grandsons. During the time of Israel,
Israel was supposed to be a light to the world. After the
Crucifixion, gentiles and messianic Jews spread the Gospel.
Durring the Tribulation the 144,000 sealed Jews and the
two witnesses will spread the Gospel. After that, Jesus
will be physically present and there won't be any atheists
anymore.
> This false doctrine of Asceticism is found in numerous churches, in
> particular those of the Pergamon and Thyatiran ages, i.e. Orthodoxy and
> Catholicism.
>
Not everything false churches teach is false. The
Mormans are really nice people, and very hard
workers. So what they get right doesn't make
it wrong for the rest of us.
Martin Luther was a Catholic until the Reformation.
A lot of people want to put the blessing described
for Israel on the Church, but they never seem to
be happy enough with the curses to include them
also.
> Ike
Eisenhower is one of my favorite presidents.
Free Bible Studies
http://www.gnostheos.org/TBD
LuckyLuke
"Richard" <ev...@delete.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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That's a good point.
Richard
"LuckyLuke" wrote:
> Richard wrote:
> >
> > Regrettably, I do find that those who use the Law to condemn others yet
> > claim that we are not under the law, to be very hypocritical.
>
> That's a good point.
Speaking of good points. I have as of yet not made it back to a post of
yours. It was a good post. My apologies regarding how I attributed it.
LuckyLuke
"Richard" <ev...@delete.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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No worries
::: Jesus is LORD :::
hokhni$b2s$1...@news.eternal-september.org
The point is that Christians are not under the law, the rest is. If you
choose to be under the law, you will be held responsible accordingly. I
for one have chosen to accept grace through faith and be held
responsible according to this.
In Judgment I will boldly refer to what my Saviour did for me at
Calvary - my hero, who died a bloody and very painful death for me and
in my place! There is nothing to pay for anymore. I am F R E E !
That was the Good News that Jesus brought into this world, LuckyLuke.
Just TRUST THE LORD!
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the
Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not
perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave
his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not
perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the
world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be
saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth
not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of
the only begotten Son of God.
(John 3:14-18 KJV)
Richard
" ::: Jesus is LORD :::" wrote:
> LuckyLuke wrote:
> > Richard wrote:
> > > " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "You shall not give false testimony against your
> > > > neighbor." (Exodus 20:16 WEB)
> > >
> > > Regrettably, I do find that those who use the Law
> > > to condemn others yet claim that we are not under
> > > the law, to be very hypocritical.
> >
> > That's a good point.
>
> The point is that Christians are not under the law, the rest is.
James 4:1 Speak not one against another, brethren. He that speaketh against
a brother, or judgeth his brother, speaketh against the law, and judgeth the
law: but if thou judgest the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a
judge.
> If you choose to be under the law, you will be held responsible
> accordingly. I for one have chosen to accept grace through
> faith and be held responsible according to this.
Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without the law: and as many as have sinned under the law shall be judged by
the law; 13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified:
> In Judgment I will boldly refer to what my Saviour did for me at
> Calvary - my hero, who died a bloody and very painful death for me and
> in my place! There is nothing to pay for anymore. I am F R E E !
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free
from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that
it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of
sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 that the ordinance
of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after
the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh mind the things of the
flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For
the mind of the flesh is death; but the mind of the Spirit is life and
peace: 7 ***because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is
not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be:*** 8 and they that
are in the flesh cannot please God.
Linda Lee
Liar; you said before you heard it on the radio. You didn't hear what
was on TV the other night; did you never read that you shouldn't lie?
Linda Lee
And it is exactly what Christ said the Pharisees did, didn't hold to
the law themselves and condemned others with it; I guess there's more
than one wicked generation.
Linda Lee
> "Linda Lee" wrote:
> > " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" wrote:
> > > Fred A Stover wrote:
>
> > > > I'm waiting for her to say "Jesus" is "Lord God.".
>
> > > She might have a problem, and I would like to see this, too, because it
> > > is not the Spirit that guides Christians she is showing. The spirit
> > > guiding her usually does not allow the people to accept that Jesus is
> > > Lord God.
>
> > I have believed and KNOWN that Christ was The LORD God
> > incarnate as our only Saviour since three or four years of age.
>
> Well, since both Vera and Colp have let me know that we are in essense
> putting on a show for the 'readers'...
>
> We interrupt your regularly scheduled program for an important public
> service announcement:
>
> This is not a test!
>
> All three parties have in essense said the same thing. It is simply a word
> game that Vera and Fred are playing here. It is a cultic tactic.
>
> You see, unless Linda agrees to use there exact wording / phrasing, they
> delude themselves into thinking that they are justified in their actions.
You know if I acted as Fred's puppet and repeated his own phrasing
back to him, it wouldn't matter one bit; he'd still claim I am a liar
and Satan, because he is the way he is.
Linda Lee
> On Mar 27, 12:44 am, "Ike E 3/20/2010" <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >news:f958b719-d85c-4842...@n34g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > [snip]
>
> > > First off, I do not endorse Jack Van Impe. I am not familiar with his
> > > doctrine, so if you want reliable end times doctrine (eschatology)
> > > then please go tohttp://www.hallindsey.com/.
>
> > That's one of the dumbest posts I've seen in awhile: They're liars from the
> > SAME POT--DISPENSATIONALISM.
>
> Hey, maybe it wasn't that great, but I don't think it was the dumbest.
Don't listen to Ike; you got his standard reply; in fact he was much
nicer to you than he usually is.
Linda Lee
I see what you mean; I just clicked on the Understanding one. Thanks,
I would not want to cite it in the future.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
That would be you, Linda Lee...
God said through the words of the Apostle Paul, "If anyone teaches a
different doctrine, and doesn't consent to sound words, the words of our
Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness,
he is conceited, knowing nothing, but obsessed with arguments, disputes,
and word battles, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil
suspicions, constant friction of people of corrupt minds and destitute
of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. Withdraw
yourself from such." (1 Timothy 6:3-5)
Linda Lee says we are all to reject Paul, the Apostle.
God said through the Apostle Peter, however:
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our
beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath
written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these
things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that
are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures,
unto their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:15-16 KJV)
Amen. I for one will believe God, not Linda Lee.
[The rest of the bull - SNIPPED, for I have nothing more to add to her
false accusations. The flesh is speaking through this lady wherever I
read her. People who come to teach something "new" about the Gospel
should always be regarded with suspicion.]
::: Jesus is LORD :::
> You know if I acted as Fred's puppet and repeated his own phrasing
> back to him, it wouldn't matter one bit; he'd still claim I am a liar
> and Satan, because he is the way he is.
Yupp - he is right.
colp
l...@lycos.com> wrote:
> Linda Lee lyndalee8...@juno.com wrote in
> 39866fb8-6ff7-4ea1-920b-dd6293631...@z35g2000yqd.googlegroups.com
>
> > On Mar 26, 11:46 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> >> Linda Lee wrote:
> > Liar;
>
> That would be you, Linda Lee...
>
> God said through the words of the Apostle Paul, "If anyone teaches a
> different doctrine, and doesn't consent to sound words, the words of our
> Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness,
> he is conceited, knowing nothing, but obsessed with arguments, disputes,
> and word battles, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil
> suspicions, constant friction of people of corrupt minds and destitute
> of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. Withdraw
> yourself from such." (1 Timothy 6:3-5)
>
> Linda Lee says we are all to reject Paul, the Apostle.
>
> God said through the Apostle Peter, however:
How do you know when Peter is telling the truth?
Then began he to curse and to swear, [saying], I know not the man. And
immediately the cock crew.
Matthew 26:74
::: Jesus is LORD :::
3025fe13-153c-47eb...@n39g2000prj.googlegroups.com
Justed trusted Peter enough to feed His sheep...
He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me?
Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou
me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest
that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep. (John 21:17 KJV)
Jesus also trusted Peter enough to build His church upon him...
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will
build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And
I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever
thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou
shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (Matthew 16:18-19 KJV)
I hope this helps.
Be blessed,
Jesus is LORD!
colp
wrote:
> colp c...@solder.ath.cx wrote in
> 3025fe13-153c-47eb-b9f1-6e1bae58f...@n39g2000prj.googlegroups.com
That trust carried a warning with it about Paul. It was a warning that
Peter apparently did not heed, as he died with Paul in Rome.
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst
thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be
old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee,
and carry [thee] whither thou wouldest not.
John 21:18
>
> Jesus also trusted Peter enough to build His church upon him...
>
> And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will
> build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And
> I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever
> thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou
> shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (Matthew 16:18-19 KJV)
This is unlikely, as it contradicts Hebrew law whereby a brother takes
a widowed wife (The relationship between teacher and disciples is
similar to that of man and wife in Hebrew culture).
The actual events are more likely to be in accord with the Gospel of
Thomas:
12. The disciples said to Jesus, "We know that you are going to leave
us. Who will be our leader?"
Jesus said to them, "No matter where you are you are to go to James
the Just, for whose sake heaven and earth came into being."
Linda Lee
So what? They were both in the same large city; that doesn't mean Paul
was 'with' Peter or in accord with Peter. Paul had his own personal
Roman guard, and a house the Romans had given him from which he
preached. Peter was not afforded such luxuries and protection.
Act 28:16 AND WHEN WE CAME TO ROME, THE CENTURION DELIVERED THE
PRISONERS TO THE CAPTAIN OF THE GUARD: BUT PAUL WAS SUFFERED TO DWELL
BY HIMSELF WITH A SOLDIER THAT KEPT HIM.
Act 28:17 AND IT CAME TO PASS, THAT AFTER THREE DAYS PAUL CALLED THE
CHIEF OF THE JEWS TOGETHER: and when they were come together, he said
unto them, Men and brethren, though I have committed nothing against
the people, or customs of our fathers, yet was I delivered prisoner
from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans.
Act 28:18 Who, when they had examined me, would have let me go,
because there was no cause of death in me.
Act 28:19 But when the Jews spake against it, I was constrained to
appeal unto Caesar; not that I had ought to accuse my nation of.
Act 28:20 For this cause therefore have I called for you, to see you,
and to speak with you: because that for the hope of Israel I am bound
with this chain.
Act 28:21 And they said unto him, We neither received letters out of
Judaea concerning thee, neither any of the brethren that came shewed
or spake any harm of thee.
Act 28:22 But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as
concerning this sect, we know that every where it is spoken against.
Act 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to
him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom
of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of
Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
Act 28:24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some
believed not.
Act 28:25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed,
after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by
Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
Act 28:26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall
hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not
perceive:
Act 28:27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears
are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should
see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with
their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Act 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God
is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
Act 28:29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and
had great reasoning among themselves.
Act 28:30 AND PAUL DWELT TWO WHOLE YEARS IN HIS OWN HIRED HOUSE, AND
RECEIVED ALL THAT CAME IN UNTO HIM,
Act 28:31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things
which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, NO MAN
FORBIDDING HIM.
>
> Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst
> thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be
> old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee,
> and carry [thee] whither thou wouldest not.
> John 21:18
>
>
>
> > Jesus also trusted Peter enough to build His church upon him...
>
> > And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will
> > build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And
> > I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever
> > thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou
> > shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (Matthew 16:18-19 KJV)
>
> This is unlikely, as it contradicts Hebrew law whereby a brother takes
> a widowed wife (The relationship between teacher and disciples is
> similar to that of man and wife in Hebrew culture).
>
> The actual events are more likely to be in accord with the Gospel of
> Thomas:
>
> 12. The disciples said to Jesus, "We know that you are going to leave
> us. Who will be our leader?"
>
> Jesus said to them, "No matter where you are you are to go to James
> the Just, for whose sake heaven and earth came into being."
It was prophesied that all the apostles and disciples would abandon
the Messiah, and they all did; that would include James the Just i.e.
the apostle James the son of Alphaeus.
Mar 14:27 And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because
of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and
the sheep shall be scattered.
Mar 14:28 But after that I am risen, I will go before you into
Galilee.
Mar 14:29 But Peter said unto him, Although all shall be offended,
yet will not I.
Mar 14:30 And Jesus saith unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this
day, even in this night, before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny
me thrice.
Mar 14:31 But he spake the more vehemently, If I should die with
thee, I will not deny thee in any wise. LIKEWISE ALSO SAID THEY ALL.
Zec 13:6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine
hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the
house of my friends.
Zec 13:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man
that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and
the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the
little ones.
colp
So they both died in the place called Babylon, far from the disciples
of Asia who were the subject of attention of Elohim as described in
Revelation.
Linda Lee
So he was supposed to be crucified by Nero in Rome. I don't see the
point of your condemnation of him.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
817up6...@mid.individual.net
Sorry, this should have been...
*Jesus* trusted Peter enough to feed His sheep...
Fred A Stover
Your the liar. I saw it on TV and said so.
In fact, I've never heard him on radio.
>> and Henry Kissinger was credited with pointing to Obama as the
>> leader who would bring in the new world order.
--
His,
More @ http://fredstover.angelfire.com/
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the
Lord
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colp
Because he was warned, but did apparently he did not heed the warning.
Also, it's not really about condemnation of Peter, but about
questioning why he would have been named as the leader of the
disciples.
Richard
"Linda Lee" wrote:
> Richard wrote:
> >
> > Linda, clink on the links and see where they take you. Are
> > those links are indicative of the so called 'truth' the page is
> > representing? Try the link for Tetragrammaton, or
> > understanding, or King James Version, or interpretation.
> > Would anyone respectfully have such links upon their page?
>
> I see what you mean; I just clicked on the Understanding
> one. Thanks, I would not want to cite it in the future.
I know the type of pages that Colp is referencing, I have read them myself
over the years, they are simply more prolific now. Some are good, some have
a hint of truth to lure some in, some are utter garbage.
You see, we have the 'christian right' on one side, and we have those who
are so opposed to that which christianity contains, that they go too far to
the left with the end result being that they are truly no different.
Richard
"Linda Lee" wrote:
> Richard wrote:
> >
> > phrasing, they delude themselves into thinking that they are
> > justified in their actions.
>
> You know if I acted as Fred's puppet and repeated his own
> phrasing back to him, it wouldn't matter one bit; he'd still
> claim I am a liar and Satan, because he is the way he is.
True. Better to maintian one's integrity in that area than to coalesce.
Richard
"Linda Lee" wrote:
> Richard wrote:
> > " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" wrote:
> > >
> > > "You shall not give false testimony against your
> > > neighbor." (Exodus 20:16 WEB)
> >
> > Regrettably, I do find that those who use the Law
> > to condemn others yet claim that we are not under
> > the law, to be very hypocritical.
>
> And it is exactly what Christ said the Pharisees did
Not quite.
> didn't 'hold to' [keep] the law themselves and
> condemned others with it
[Additional word mine]
In effect yes. As James writes:
James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as men that are to be judged by a law of
liberty. 13 For judgment is without mercy to him that hath showed no mercy:
mercy glorieth against judgment.
And:
James 4:11 Speak not one against another, brethren. He that speaketh
against a brother, or judgeth his brother, speaketh against the law, and
judgeth the law: but if thou judgest the law, thou art not a doer of the
law, but a judge. 12 One only is the lawgiver and judge, even he who is
able to save and to destroy: but who art thou that judgest thy neighbor?